Site on a Rose

Sep 05, 2016 · 70 comments
Jeff Corcino (Clearfield PA)
Got tripped up on 5 across, 7 down. Had sows and wreck as answers.
paulymath (Potomac, MD)
I enjoyed the puzzle and the 87 (so far) comments. But I have a quibble: I took both "see" and OPAQUE literally, and in that sense something that's OPAQUE is not hard to see through, it is by definition impossible to see through. Of course, opacity can also be about a person's mental makeup, mode of expression, presentation of ideas, personal philosophy, and other products of the mind. In this figurative sense the impossible becomes merely extremely difficult.
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke
Is anybody else getting an ad on this site, right beside the roses : Nordstrom -one model with 33% off on SKINNY jeans with holes at the knees . The other model shows a longish top.
It's weird, as if the ad writers are reading this blog.
Will watch what I write.
Liz B (Durham, NC)
I have Morgan Stanley. & I haven't been researching retirement or investments. I'll try to pay attention to what it is the next time I come here.
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
A Morgan Stanley ad appeared after I read your comment and hit refresh. I don't recall seeing one of those before.

I remember when Deadline and I were discussing 'Woody Allen Apartments,' that I almost immediately started seeing ads for a condominium complex in Brooklyn.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
IBM ad for me. Should that be for you, Rich?
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
OT -- US Open Tennis Update
My ball person daughter has an interesting view of the V. Williams - Pliskova match on Ashe now on television; she is in one of the photo pits on the end wall of the court, tasked with retrieving balls that go in there. A necessary but lower visibility task than her last assignment on Ashe, last Monday, when she was one of the two "nets" for Angelique Kerber's second round match (and for the first three games of the Nadal match that followed it).
Jimbo57 (Oceanside NY)
Easy Monday, although I had RAHS before YAYS and DROSS before DRECK (I still do a double-take whenever it pops up in the puzzle). Not familiar with Georges ENESCO or a CUTOFFSAW, but neither was a problem thanks to the crosses.

"JEANS On" by British one-hit wonder David Dundas is on the list of hit singles that started out as TV ad jingles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGlhKcEBjY

Anybody want to take some guesses at other hits on that list?
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
I'm stumped, Jimbo, though there is something floating around on the edge of my memory. I just can't quite pin it down.

Maybe it will come to me.
David Connell (Weston CT)
I'm still waiting for "Oh Very Young" from Cat Stevens...

That was my first musical connection to this one!
Jimbo57 (Oceanside NY)
For anybody interested, here's a list of some Top 40 hits that were adapted from TV ad jingles:

I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing--New Seekers/Hillside Singers (both versions were in the Top 20 at the same time) from a Cocoa-Cola ad

Country Sunshine--Dottie West (Coca-Cola ad)

We've Only Just Begun--Carpenters (insurance ad)

No Matter What Shape (Your Stomach's In)--T-Bones (Alka Seltzer ad)

Percolator (Twist)--Billy Joe & the Checkmates (Maxwell House ad)

The Disadvantages Of You--Brass Ring (Benson & Hedges ad)
John (Chicago)
Don Ameche (1908 – 1993) was an actor and voice artist with a career spanning exactly 58 years.

Ameche was born Dominic Felix Amici in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Ameche had intended to study law, but he found theatricals more interesting and decided on a stage career. Smart fellow!!!!

He made his film debut in 1935. He appeared in such films as Alexander's Ragtime Band (1938), and as the title character in The Story of Alexander Graham Bell (1939). It led to the use of the word, "ameche", as slang for telephone in common catchphrases, as noted by Mike Kilen in the Iowa City Gazette (December 8, 1993): "The film prompted a generation to call people to the telephone with the phrase: 'You're wanted on the Ameche.'"

Ameche and fellow veteran actor Ralph Bellamy were eventually cast in Trading Places in 1983, playing rich brothers intent on ruining an innocent man for the sake of a one-dollar bet. In an interview some years later on Larry King Live, co-star Jamie Lee Curtis said that Ameche, a proper old-school actor, went to everyone on the set ahead of time to apologize when he was called to start cursing in the film. The film's success and their comedic performances brought them both back into the Hollywood limelight. Ameche's next role, in Cocoon (1985), won him an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor.
Liz B (Durham, NC)
My high school yearbook was called the Amici.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
"...as noted by Mike Kilen in the Iowa City Gazette..."

John,
It's on Wiki, not you, but to give remaining midwest newspapers their due, the Gazette has a bureau in Iowa City (where the writer presumably worked) but is published in Cedar Rapids. The Iowa City paper is the Press-Citizen.
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
General crossword question: Does anyone know when the current NYT 'standards' for days of the week went into effect? Specifically - Sunday through Thursday are themed puzzles; Friday and Saturday are themeless. And the difficulty increases from Monday through Saturday.

I went back and looked at some early Shortz era puzzles and found both Fridays and Saturdays that had themes and earlier week puzzles that had no theme that I could detect. Hard to judge the relative difficulty; I made some effort to do that but results were iffy.
Liz B (Durham, NC)
Rich, I've been doing puzzles from 1993 and 1994. "Rebus on Thursday" doesn't seem to be quite a settled thing; I've found rebus puzzles on Fridays. I don't remember noticing anything out of the ordinary in terms of themes, though.
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
Liz, look at January 21 and 22 from 1994. Friday and a Saturday and I would call both of those themes - though 'themes' were a little looser back in the day.

Then Wednesday, 12-22-93. If there's a theme there, I'm not seeing it.

I saw other examples but I'd have to dig through my history to find them all. I'm really curious if there was a point in time when the current rules were set in stone.

I see rebus puzzles in the Shortz era for every day of the week. It looks like it's about 1998 when Sunday and Thursday started to be the predominant days for those, but there are still a couple of exceptions every year. I wonder if that might be a hint as to when the current rules got solidified.
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, The Road Tour)
HI Rich,

I thought your question was very interesting, so I asked Will. Here's what he said, in two parts because it exceeds the character limit and I didn't want to edit anything out of his response:

"In Margaret Farrar's day, up to January 1969, the Monday through Friday puzzles were all about the same in difficulty. On Saturday she scheduled a somewhat harder one -- what she called a "two cups of coffee" puzzle. The theory was that most solvers didn't have a job to go to on Saturday, so they had more time to devote to a challenger.

"Somewhere along the way -- under Margaret's successors Will Weng or Eugene T. Maleska I'm not sure -- the slope of difficulty was increased throughout the week. Here the theory was that after the weekend, solvers' minds were a little sluggish on Monday, so an easier puzzle then would be appreciated, and the difficulty would increase as one's mind got sharper during the week.

"My own tweak to this tradition was to steepen the difficulty slope. I believe the Monday puzzles I edit are easier than they ever were before, but my Fridays and Saturdays are harder. And they're harder by being trickier, not, generally speaking, from being obscure.

"If New York Times solvers, especially old-timers (but also new-timers who try some of the old puzzles), can add anything to this history, I'd be interested to hear."
David Connell (Weston CT)
(Those who deal with roses know that wild roses and many kinds of cultivated roses have - or have the potential for - thorns growing on any part of the plant except the petals and root stock. Thorns, potentially nasty ones, along the back of the midrib on rose leaves are quite ordinary things.)
Mean Old Lady (Conway, Arkansas)
Anyone else having the problem that the WordPlay site keeps crashing (Aw, Snap! etc.) Have lost several Comments in Progress over the past several days....

Nice puzzle, even if I overlooked a typo and got the Red Bar of Embarrassment... Well, working sans glasses at 5 a.m. with hunt-and-peck might not be the best approach to my solve on PuzzAzz....
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke
MOL- yes, also have the problem of the site freezing resulting in loss of comment. Very frustrating ; sometimes opening a new "page" helps. Sometimes.
OT- Thought of you when I saw yesterday on the CBS Sunday Morning Show a segment on Landscape Quilting. Really amazing .
Johanna (Hamilton, OH)
I remember when people used to say , "And, yes, there is a bathroom off the master bedroom." Today it's all about ENSUITE. Call me crazy, but it sounds pretentious to me!

This puzzle also brought back hilarious memories of me and other friends helping yet another friend get into her SKINNYJEANS. She'd lie on the bed and we'd help tug them closed and then zip them up ... hard to do! Once she was back on the floor up and standing she looked super thin, but I still don't how she walked properly, sat or went to the bathroom.

Tracy Gray, this was a super fun Monday! JEANS provides us with a universally understood theme that we can all jump into, no matter what style we wear. Loved it!
RY (Forgotten Borough)
Above average for a Monday-level puzzle.
Not too laborious.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
"Not too laborious."

Ouch (but don't quit your DAY job).
RY (Forgotten Borough)
Labor vincit omnia.
David Connell (Weston CT)
Amor, amor!
Wags (Colorado)
When I was a kid my mother bought us jeans that were too long and then turned them up at the cuffs, not as a fashion trend but to avoid buying new ones when we outgrew them. And we called them dungarees.
David Connell (Weston CT)
Ah yes, I remember it well. Also, today's puzzle lacked the cut of dungarees that I required - HUSKY.
Beejay (San Francisco)
Fun puzzle. How clothing/fashion has changed. As a child and teen, I needed jeans to stand up to wear and tear; active outdoor play, climbing trees, riding bareback, working at the horse stable, and many washings (when they would be dirty enough to stand on their own). In high school I loved the navy's style bell bottoms from the surplus store. Now it's just comfort. I see people wearing the styles noted in the puzzle and wonder how they get in and out of them. And wonder why anyone would pay an enormous price for holes which for me, came all too soon with the work.
suejean (Harrogate)
I have to admit to being disgusted when I look in a shop window and see torn to bits jeans at a horrific price. ( or at any price for that matter)
hepcat8 (jive5)
After a grueling Sunday, this was a fun Monday. My only problem with the cluing was that I would not choose a cut-off saw to sever a cable. To sever a plank, yes, but to sever a cable, pretty dangerous.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Hepcat,
I hope you will appreciate the locations of the second and third photos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrasive_saw
hepcat8 (jive5)
Thanks, Barry. I stand corrected and should have known better. I was thinking of a chop saw, without an abrasive blade.
Thank you also for your clarifying comment on my female-male continuum remarks the other day. Yes, I can now see that femininity-masculinity and sexual identity may be related but are not the same. Human are complex critters.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Thank *you,* Hepcat, and amen.
twoberry (Vero Beach, FL)
I knew not a single one of those theme answers, because although I loved wearing jeans about 65 years ago, I developed an allergy to denim that caused an uncomfortable rash. I finally put 1 and 3 together and decided 13 was unlucky and I should stop wearing jeans. (But since it's a Monday, the crossings made the solve easy enough.)
suejean (Harrogate)
Nice Monday debut for Tracy. I certainly needed the reveal, not having paid any attention to all those descriptions of JEANS, just look for something with a comfortable waist. I have a tiny rip in my most comfortable ones, not a fashion statement however.

ENSUITE, a very common expression here, so had to change the I to E in AMECHE, glad I wasn't the only one.
CS (Providence, RI)
I SAW the light after BAGGY and SKINNY and think CUT OFF is fine -- after all there are CUT OFF JEANS. As a mother, I was waiting for 'mom' to appear. And it is 'Labor' day, so it would have been apt. I too had UP AND AT 'em, until the across proved me wrong. Glad to be back in the puzzle/blog morning routine. Hope it lasts. Enjoy the holiday!
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Perhaps BAGGY is the gender-inclusive term for mom/dad jeans.
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
Hippie ethical dilemma: Wear your bell-bottoms until they were faded and torn? Or throw them in the washer with a lot of bleach and rip a hole in them? Apparently you can now buy them that way. I didn't know that was still popular, but I'm probably not paying attention.

Nice smooth Monday puzzle and a good theme. I didn't catch on until I got the reveal.

I've seen light green moths on early morning walks three times in the last two days. I don't if they are LUNA moths or not. I also saw an armadillo walking by just beyond my back fence a few days ago. I'd never seen one up here before, but evidently they are migrating north. When I did a search, one of the first links that popped up was titled "What the h___ are armadillos doing in Atlanta?"
Mean Old Lady (Conway, Arkansas)
We are at about the same latitude, here in Central ARkansas, and the nine-banded armadillos are a long-established presence. One sees them most often on the roadside, evidence that they have fared badly in an attempt to cross the road. Some might be named 'Puffy,' but others are simply 'on the half-shell.' Our neighbor at the lake had one tunnel under his house (a single-wide with additions.) I loaned him my Hav-a-Heart trap with instructions to block all but one tunnel, set the trap at dusk, and wait. When I checked back in, he told me, "Got him the first night!" The end.

If the light green moths are large, they are probably LUNA moths. Very pretty!
Rich in Atlanta (Decatur, Georgia)
Not the same elevation though, MOL, which may have something to do with it. I know they've been in south Georgia for a while and we used to see them frequently when we lived in Florida. Generally alongside the road as you describe but occasionally still breathing.

The first mention I can find of them in this area is from about 11 years ago, but I think it was still a rare sighting at that time. According to Wikipedia they've been drifting east and north for decades and are expected to continue to do so.
David Connell (Weston CT)
The LUNA rests in twilight on the upright trunks of certain trees. When you see one in that state, it is very approachable. I don't think I've ever observed anything living quite as beautiful as the colors and textures of the Luna Moth, up close, at dusk in the piedmont woods.

I never encountered an armadillo in the twilight, but I can say that possums in the same dusky woods are about as far from Luna moths as it is possible to imagine...
John (Chicago)
Martin,

I am feeling very frustrated tonight. The internet connection was lost when we returned from Maine.

BTW, the worst segments of the entire holiday were the cab rides to and back from the airport in Chicago. Otherwise the entire trip could not have been better.

So, after calling AT&T, which is a wonderful provider (I know because I spent hours on the phone today before they told me they couldn’t help me), we determined it was the 5 year old router and not the 14 year old modem. I bought a new router, which AT&T didn’t like and eventually sent me to the maker which told me how to connect in 10 minutes (after AT&T kept giving me bad advice for two hours).

I wish I could feel sorry for how the Cubs treated your Giants but I don’t.

The puzzle is Tracy-worth.

Prepared ribs and chicken for tomorrow’s Labor Day BBQ with the Chicago family.

Never looked at a puzzle the entire time I was gone.

Maine is not another state. It is another planet, like Avatar.
Martin (California)
Welcome back, amico. I feel the same way about the Pacific Northwest, Maine's mirror image.

One-run games shouldn't count.
Martin (California)
I've had to configure four AT&T gateways talking to six routers in the past six months, between water company pump sites and home network. I can navigate their weird "IP pass-through" and "cascaded router" interfaces in my sleep. That's depressing.
John (Chicago)
Thanks, Martin. If memory serves me right - and I could be wrong - the 1959 White Sox won 31 games by one run (usually with a walk, a stolen base, a passed ball and a fly ball). That was about one third of their wins.

As for the game today, I would have preferred Heyward hit a three run homer but he blooped a single to score Rizzo (I think) from second.

Actually, it gives me hope that they are competitive with tams like the Dodgers and the Giants in low scoring games because the playoffs are mostly about pitching.
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
RegEx only found ten entries suggested by the reveal at 58 down. Now you have to do some math to figure out the number of actual NYTXWD hits:

RegEx Mode: 18 results for regular expression .+JEANS$
LESS:
Jeff Chen's Personal List has 8 additional words.
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10 (Unless you are an Xword Info angel.)

http://tinyurl.com/zx6n5rs
Lewis (Asheville, NC)
1. Three of the four theme answers had pop, which made the whole puzzle buzz.
2. I'm bracing for the ENESCO/ENESCU comments.
3. I like what happens when you have TOM, and take the T from it and read down to get TOM's continuation.
4. Now jeans even come relaxed or distressed. There was a time when jeans took on but two qualities: They were either clean or dirty.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
* I note that END IT sits above "And...SCENE" and, dangerously, next to CUTOFF SAW (which should be operated TWO-HANDED).
* FLARE GUNS and neighbor OUIJA boards both send signals.
* GO BIG crosses BAGGY...
* I am glad that STEEP was not clued to as producing a spot.
* Having had both the B&O and ERIE in yesterday's puzzle, I was disappointed that DEPOT was clued as a Bus station.
* Did FRESH reappear today from Baja?
* I was expecting Deb to confuse HULA and hora.
* IT'S US? EWE!
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke
Lewis-
JEANS were either new or worn. The more worn the better...Nowadays one can pay big bucks for that distressed look , especially the "holy" look .
Lewis (Asheville, NC)
Especially like your STEEP comment!
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
Not remembering how to spell Don Amichi, Amechi, AMECHE led to confusion on English v French for IN SUITE (2 words) or ENSUITE (1 word).

Didn't use the theme while solving, so it was nice. I guessed the theme when I got to LOW RISE . . .and noticed BAGGY and SKINNY had already shown up.

For fun, here is a link to the GREATEST FAKE COMMERCIAL in SNL history: THREE-LEGGED JEANS (no dumber than acid wash). Music, choreography, parade quality, it had it all:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/leevis-3-legged-jeans/n10132
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
parade --> parody in above. . .
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
Don AMECHE's name likely comes from «amici», friends in Italian. We had a discussion on how it is an exception to the rule that would make the plural of «amico» «amichi.»

I'm testing what I see has a bug in the compose box. The left guillemet or angle quote displays incorrectly as a double quote. I'm wondering if the bug extends to the preview and also the final result.
Kiki Rijkstra (Arizona)
>> I'm wondering if the bug extends to the preview and also the final result.

As you can see from the mismatched quotes, the bug is every where. You cannot key the left guillemet here, but inconsistently, the right hand version works! A fail on an ASCII (Alt+0171) character seems strange since Unicode is supported on this blog.
Liz B (Durham, NC)
I went shopping for a pair of JEANS this weekend--I wanted something new and black and slim-fitting with a little bit of comfy stretch in them, and not LOW-RISE but not mom jeans, either. I tried on JEANS labeled slim (which were good) and SKINNY (which were like leggings) and left the pair labeled 'super SKINNY' on the hanger, figuring that if they were tighter than the SKINNY pair, I'd never get them on. Or off. The shopping trip was successful, as slim was slim enough. But I'm wondering where all those 'super SKINNY' people are.

I had UP AND AT 'EM first, too.

Little NEURO was Petey Otterloop's favorite comic: http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac/2008/03/26
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Liz B,
Mom JEANS were too BAGGY. of course. Were the JEANS the only ITEM you purchased, or did you also buy a TEE, or, from a day or two ago, a TALL TEE?
Liz B (Durham, NC)
No TEEs, Barry, and no TALL TEEs. Somehow I have a surfeit of TEEs in my dresser. I got the kind of JEANS that Robert & Elke find at Costco, but I paid a bit more for them. But then, I also got to try on a couple of sizes and find a pair that fit, rather than guessing.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Hi Deb,
(1) Hand up for EM before IT (11D).
(2) Hand down for questioning CUTOFF. The clue said "styles" (of jeans), not "fits," so no complaint from me.
(3) Conceptual difference. I didn't hesitate to enter SUSHI even without the "a" before Japanese food (8A); I'm wondering what sort of general cuisine descriptors you were contemplating.
(4) Hand up -- or another raised eyebrow -- for GIRLY. No ruffles or lace for the women and girls in my household.
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, The Road Tour)
Hi Barry,

I put in sushi too, just because I knew that it was the expected answer.

I could write an entire book on breadth of Japanese cuisine, but I'm pretty sure that the subject has already been covered by Martin.
Barry Ancona (New York, NY)
Deb,
You wrote -- • 8D: A tough clue for a Monday, because SUSHI is a Japanese food, but not Japanese food in general.
I can't imagine novice solvers expecting a distinction between "a food" and "food" in a clue, and I can't imagine the editor allowing such a distinction in a Monday puzzle. What distinction were you warning about: SUSHI is *a* Japanese food but [non-a] Japanese food is...ASIAN?...UMAMI?...RICEY? Just trying to understand the words, not the cuisine (which, I hear, is actually TEX-MEX).
Blue Moon (Where Nenes Fly)
ABACI and DRECK, oh heck!
For beginners it seems a bit sticky,
But maybe I'm just being picky,
With ENESCO and S STAR on deck?
(In a wreck!)
Mac Knight (Yakima, WA)
Costco for jeans. Loose fit, by waist size and length, $14.99. Cheap and fast.
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke
Mac K- as with haircuts, dry cleaning etc. elsewhere, women pay more. Women's JEANS at Costco are $15.99. That would be the GV brand with "heritage fit"(whatever that is), tapered leg, classic RISE .
Paul (Virginia)
The Levi's Outlet Store. I've gotten 501s for $10. They even fit.
Robert (Vancouver, Canada)
and Elke
Paul- and how much are the women's 501s at the Levi's Outlet Store ??
nynynyny (new jersey)
SOMEONE needs a Yiddish-American dictionary.
Martin (California)
The English loanword does not have the same connotation as the Yiddish noun.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dreck

This is the fifth time it's appeared.
Martin (California)
BTW, the emus ate an earlier version that referred to a word that Will won't be using again. Who knew there was a Yiddish-speaking emu?
The daily Lemma (Central jersey)
Feh. Who's counting?