I would rather be alt-right than alt-wrong.
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What is with the NY Times photos of Hillary Clinton? She is always shown on a strange upward angle. It looks like she is walking uphill. Can't you just show her image on a level?
I think it's a conspiracy. It must be. Alt-right said so
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She's not tall...
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Jeb Bysh , Ted Cruz and Carly Fiorina have spoken out against Trump.
3 out of the 16 Republican primary candidates.
Where, oh where are the rest ...
Silence and endorsement ( Rubio, Christie) from the other 13 is not acceptable.
3 out of the 16 Republican primary candidates.
Where, oh where are the rest ...
Silence and endorsement ( Rubio, Christie) from the other 13 is not acceptable.
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The Republican party is curiously silent in
recent weeks. After almost eight years of
inaction in Congress, one would hope that
someone would come forward to denounce
Donald Trump and his minions! What have
they got to loose?
recent weeks. After almost eight years of
inaction in Congress, one would hope that
someone would come forward to denounce
Donald Trump and his minions! What have
they got to loose?
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Unfortunately, both the liberal Democrats, in their obsession with political correctness, and the conservative "alt right", are simply two sides of the same coin of a shallow Identity Politics which is overfocused on race. What I think we need most is neither of these approaches or worldviews -- we need to stop looking at everything through the lens of race, the lens of discrimination, the lens of victimhood and oppression...and theories about these...and start looking at people more deeply, as the complex human beings they are.
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Obsessing about race destroys you mind eventually. Today's case in point:
San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick flushing his credibility and playing options down the toilet of political correctness.
San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick flushing his credibility and playing options down the toilet of political correctness.
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You say that with a charming lack of irony. For one concerned about losing a mind from worrying about race, it does seem to come up a lot for you.
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Before the Dems talk about racism on in the Republican party, they should fix the racism in their own party first, so as to be credible. From Bill Clinton's comment (in private and public) about Obama, to Hillary's comments, to so many instances too many to list e.g my brother was called the N word so many times in Boston by blue collar democrats. The list goes on
As long as the Dem party engages in smoke and mirrors by touting the "diversity" in photo ops, without any real diversity in power, and no really change for urban Blacks, the Dem party will not confront the fact that it contains a significant percentage of racists.
Note: I expect to get some overtly and covertly racist comments by the Left if this comment is published. Because I am a Black person not on the Democratic plantation, the veneer of " I am not racist" will slip and I will get anger, insults and/or patronizing replies.
I have generally stopped posting comments in the NYT because the comment sections have been taken over by rabid posts1q, many of which are irrational, fear mongering, divisive and full of caricature. Not helpful for civilized debate. Not sure if some of outlandish comments are real people or folks paid by the DNC frankly.
As long as the Dem party engages in smoke and mirrors by touting the "diversity" in photo ops, without any real diversity in power, and no really change for urban Blacks, the Dem party will not confront the fact that it contains a significant percentage of racists.
Note: I expect to get some overtly and covertly racist comments by the Left if this comment is published. Because I am a Black person not on the Democratic plantation, the veneer of " I am not racist" will slip and I will get anger, insults and/or patronizing replies.
I have generally stopped posting comments in the NYT because the comment sections have been taken over by rabid posts1q, many of which are irrational, fear mongering, divisive and full of caricature. Not helpful for civilized debate. Not sure if some of outlandish comments are real people or folks paid by the DNC frankly.
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That's hilarious. and so alt-right and so predicatable. That whole irony by twisting back terms has been done better here and elsewhere.
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We the people are held hostage by the corporate media : their provocations
are what this newspapers ...calls news...and the suppression of our knowledge
about viable candidates like Governor Johnson and running mate Governor Weld
are suppressed....by the TV pundits and the NYTimes pundits as well..
so
This election and what the fall out is...is due to similar suppressions in
Russia....isn't it...
Muzzle the rest of the candidates...is this your legacy New York Times..
For Shame...your founders are ashamed of your bias...and lack of accountability....I hope Tom Friedman will have another dialog with
Charlie Rose....because...he has found out why ....this reportage is becoming
BUNK...yes...worthless bunk.
are what this newspapers ...calls news...and the suppression of our knowledge
about viable candidates like Governor Johnson and running mate Governor Weld
are suppressed....by the TV pundits and the NYTimes pundits as well..
so
This election and what the fall out is...is due to similar suppressions in
Russia....isn't it...
Muzzle the rest of the candidates...is this your legacy New York Times..
For Shame...your founders are ashamed of your bias...and lack of accountability....I hope Tom Friedman will have another dialog with
Charlie Rose....because...he has found out why ....this reportage is becoming
BUNK...yes...worthless bunk.
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Unless Johnson and Weld are family, someway you found out about them somehow. If this is a campaign message for them, sort of like an endorsement, it's not working. It would be very hard for the NYT founders (from 1851 - a very long time ago) to be much of anything, they have been dead for sometime now.
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They ARE family... What's wrong with that?
1
How come a Federal Judge wants to release Benghazi emails in September, yet no one has ordered Trump's taxes be produced, nor his dubious money dealings with Russia since 1987, nor looked at his financials from his capitalist bully Trump Organization?
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A.: Because Trump is not a Govt. employee, like Madame Secretary was, and tax returns are private.
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Please give us a write up on two candidates: who have NO BAGGAGE...and
have all the laurels of being fiscally conservative and the best of what
had been a Republican ethos and is current with the now social mores of
the Supreme Court jurisdictions re citizens' rights.
Please ; Alan Rappeport write about Governor Gary Johnson and Governor
William F. Weld...these pass all litmus tests as ready to be President of the USA.......Give us a break..!!!
have all the laurels of being fiscally conservative and the best of what
had been a Republican ethos and is current with the now social mores of
the Supreme Court jurisdictions re citizens' rights.
Please ; Alan Rappeport write about Governor Gary Johnson and Governor
William F. Weld...these pass all litmus tests as ready to be President of the USA.......Give us a break..!!!
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The silver lining to Donald Dumpster's Trumpettes...is we know who they are now and they are destined for the dust bin. They may think they are patriots but their ideology is not how Americans roll. Dumpster's scampaign has been a wake up call for those whom have not been paying attention and the attention manbaby requires will be what destroys him, his brand and ultimately his alleged fortune. I see another bankruptcy in his tiny hands.
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Like with Putin or Julian Assange, Hillary wants us to focus ion the (purported) messenger and not the message.
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Mrs Clinton was very wise to give this speech. The timing is no coincidence. Trump is finally, and hopefully belatedly, trying to morph into
"Beautiful Donald Trump" and court minority voters, or convince moderate whites that he is not the dangerous bigot that we know he is. She needed to block his pathetic attempts decisively. She has excellent political instincts, which is why she is so far ahead in the swing state polls.
"Beautiful Donald Trump" and court minority voters, or convince moderate whites that he is not the dangerous bigot that we know he is. She needed to block his pathetic attempts decisively. She has excellent political instincts, which is why she is so far ahead in the swing state polls.
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@AM - Not only is she guided by her own excellent political instincts but by exemplary advisors as well, one being a 3-D Chess Grandmaster.
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Yours, Gus, is one of the most hilarious posts ever...
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The liberal press, and PC politicians, both democrat and republican, are clueless about the millions of disaffected Americans, those without AA, EOE status, pushed into the dark corners of the labor markets. This pushback deserves a hearing, not disparaged as "hate."
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It is hate when you blame selected groups for your misery. And your statement is a direct quote from the alt-right blogs. AA or alcoholic anonymous is pretty much everywhere and in the context of what you were posting, it is unclear what you are referring too.
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Some times I feel like Erik Von Danken must have felt.
Forgetting party affiliation for the moment and just examining the bigger picture, over a longer period of time, and you see that we as a society have decided that we were going to help poor people. There have been arguments over how much, but we provide considerable "help" to those that can qualify.
The poor are enlisted into various programs like housing, We have spent enormous sums, building and poorly managing warehouses for the poor and subsidizing housing generally.
Housing subsidies are easier to get for single women with children. Subsidies are often contingent on no other adult (read male) also living in the subsidized apartment. Inspections are carried out to make sure there are no men there.
These poor are provided for under various other programs including food, phones, cash, etc.
The poor are concentrated into areas decided upon by government officials.
There are myriad contracts steered by government bureaucrats for large sums of money to provide all this help.
Single parent households predominate our poor population. Surprise.
Crime is worst where the poor have been concentrated, especially government run housing projects.
Work does not make financial sense for too many people being helped.
We have not really helped the poor. We need to completely rethink our approach.
The people demanding change are labelled as racist because they threaten the political narrative that we are helping.
Forgetting party affiliation for the moment and just examining the bigger picture, over a longer period of time, and you see that we as a society have decided that we were going to help poor people. There have been arguments over how much, but we provide considerable "help" to those that can qualify.
The poor are enlisted into various programs like housing, We have spent enormous sums, building and poorly managing warehouses for the poor and subsidizing housing generally.
Housing subsidies are easier to get for single women with children. Subsidies are often contingent on no other adult (read male) also living in the subsidized apartment. Inspections are carried out to make sure there are no men there.
These poor are provided for under various other programs including food, phones, cash, etc.
The poor are concentrated into areas decided upon by government officials.
There are myriad contracts steered by government bureaucrats for large sums of money to provide all this help.
Single parent households predominate our poor population. Surprise.
Crime is worst where the poor have been concentrated, especially government run housing projects.
Work does not make financial sense for too many people being helped.
We have not really helped the poor. We need to completely rethink our approach.
The people demanding change are labelled as racist because they threaten the political narrative that we are helping.
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I am always amazed at the lack of empathy and the thought process (or lack thereof) of those who think they could never become poor. And very often these are the people who are at the most risk of falling off the ladder. In the next ten years it is highly likely that robots and artificial intelligence will take their jobs. Then they may rethink the social safety net.
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This was her best speech yet. Finally she stopped screaming. I hope this approach continues. http://www.huh.com
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Editors:.....this is not a democratic way of holding elections: for President of
the USA...
You ...NYTimes are very guilty of being a corporate media controlling factor
in the candidacy for President:...and why
because our two major political parties are both run by the media and not by
the Democrats or the Republicans : who are the traditional standard bearers.
The now Democrats are funded by K Street lobbyists; and the outlier
Donald J. Trump is the answer to the ultra conservative; bought by the
campaign funders of Corporate USA.
We the people have only the Libertarians left to represent us as Independents
who have been outcast by Citizens United funding for representing the .01
per cent of all the electorate:
Please editors ....realize that the rest of the electorate needs a clean slate:
We cannot endure a deficit of $20 Trillion dollars...; nor can we afford to
take risks with National Socialist (like NAZI) Donald J. Trump: nor do we
want to continue with the shadow of Wall Street directing Hillary Clinton and
losing jobs to TPP...etc.
Please give Gary Johnson and William F. Weld a voice in this Newspaper.
we the people are not going to be fairly representing by those two who
are losing our respect throughout the entire world..
Governor Johnson and Governor Weld...are honest public servants and they
do represent Independent voters who will decide this election...
When you fail us Editors...you fail yourselves as well...
the USA...
You ...NYTimes are very guilty of being a corporate media controlling factor
in the candidacy for President:...and why
because our two major political parties are both run by the media and not by
the Democrats or the Republicans : who are the traditional standard bearers.
The now Democrats are funded by K Street lobbyists; and the outlier
Donald J. Trump is the answer to the ultra conservative; bought by the
campaign funders of Corporate USA.
We the people have only the Libertarians left to represent us as Independents
who have been outcast by Citizens United funding for representing the .01
per cent of all the electorate:
Please editors ....realize that the rest of the electorate needs a clean slate:
We cannot endure a deficit of $20 Trillion dollars...; nor can we afford to
take risks with National Socialist (like NAZI) Donald J. Trump: nor do we
want to continue with the shadow of Wall Street directing Hillary Clinton and
losing jobs to TPP...etc.
Please give Gary Johnson and William F. Weld a voice in this Newspaper.
we the people are not going to be fairly representing by those two who
are losing our respect throughout the entire world..
Governor Johnson and Governor Weld...are honest public servants and they
do represent Independent voters who will decide this election...
When you fail us Editors...you fail yourselves as well...
You do realize that under a Johnson administration there would be no new financial regulation of Wall Street. Just let everyone do their own thing and welcome back to the new the New Gilded Age with opiate being the actual opiate of the people.
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I still think Alt-Right is how to access your computer's BIOS settings.
This "movement" should be called CTRL-ALT-Delete-Right, it describes their motives better. Alt-Right was (and still is) nothing beside a collection of malcontents posting middle school attempts at sarcasm salted with pack mentality insults. Milo Y and company are allegedly the leaders of the "Intellectuals" slice of the pie. If you consider posts with poor English using the same logical fallacy a dozen times in a row smart, then so be it.
Don't think so? Go to Breitbart's site, politely question the commenters on any post and see how long it takes to get banned.
There is no Alt-Right; it was contrived as click bait and it works! The slimy subculture in which it exists will forever splinter off little reinventions but there's absolutely nothing here beside 15 minutes of fame.
This "movement" should be called CTRL-ALT-Delete-Right, it describes their motives better. Alt-Right was (and still is) nothing beside a collection of malcontents posting middle school attempts at sarcasm salted with pack mentality insults. Milo Y and company are allegedly the leaders of the "Intellectuals" slice of the pie. If you consider posts with poor English using the same logical fallacy a dozen times in a row smart, then so be it.
Don't think so? Go to Breitbart's site, politely question the commenters on any post and see how long it takes to get banned.
There is no Alt-Right; it was contrived as click bait and it works! The slimy subculture in which it exists will forever splinter off little reinventions but there's absolutely nothing here beside 15 minutes of fame.
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Mrs.Hilary focus on your policies and opportunities that is what USA need.Prioritize your speech on welfare of community , the people of USA .Everybody knows what MR.Trump is he is malign.In Stead of criticizing MR.Trump tell USA Mrs.Hilary that what you can grant to USA and how you can be strengthen and boost to people of USA in terms of health care,Jobs opportunities,social benefits,affordable education,affordable housing,affordable child care ,healthy food habits,income equality,to prevent gun violence. Also bring the investment corporate opportunities that way so corporation bring the investment to create the infrastructure,to create the more jobs in USA. As far as immigration concerned this is the country which is built on immigration. A genuine pioneer with the power of president can bring these much !
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I agree with those who say, as when draining an abscess, public perception needs to be trained on these groups. I do think that the euphemism "Alt-Right" should be abandoned for the more accurate term "White Supremacist Hate Groups."
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Hillary Clinton gives a speech outlining and condemning a racist wing of the GOP, and then their parities nominee doubles down and calls her a bigot.
It seems that everytime Trump is criticized for his outragous comments and name calling he turns it right around and returns the same exact insult.
What is he running a PeeWee Herman presidential campaign?
"I know you are but what an I?"
I don't believe the majority of the voting American electorate is that gullible.
Unless the GOP is planning on disenfranchising millions of legally registered voters by purging them for the voter lists against their knowledge ....oh wait, they are...
Please read Greg Palast in the newest Rolling Stone magazine.
Greg Palast exposed the 2000 voter purge in Fl. By Katherine Harris and JEB!
http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-expose-gops-secret-plan-steal-vote/
It seems that everytime Trump is criticized for his outragous comments and name calling he turns it right around and returns the same exact insult.
What is he running a PeeWee Herman presidential campaign?
"I know you are but what an I?"
I don't believe the majority of the voting American electorate is that gullible.
Unless the GOP is planning on disenfranchising millions of legally registered voters by purging them for the voter lists against their knowledge ....oh wait, they are...
Please read Greg Palast in the newest Rolling Stone magazine.
Greg Palast exposed the 2000 voter purge in Fl. By Katherine Harris and JEB!
http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-expose-gops-secret-plan-steal-vote/
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It's called projection and The_Dumpster is the best at it...everyone says so.
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Hillary and the Democrat Campaign have invented "Alt-Right" as yet another bunch of Americans to hate and every Democrat Media Outlet prints the definition they made up out of whole cloth.
The facts are that since 2008 the Democrats have found that hatred and division get votes. Bill and Hillary were the first victims of this country-diminishing tactic -- candidate Barack Obama accused Bill Clinton of being a racist. It worked and Hillary decided to drop out, take the job as Secretary of State for one term, then campaign using the Clinton Foundation money.
The hate the Democrats threw around recently settled on our police officers, and now that their Ward Bosses in BLM are losing steam, they have to invent something else.
Meanwhile the Republicans are saying "My copy of the Constitution says the President and elected officials serve ALL Americans". Why hate ANY of our fellow citizens.
The facts are that since 2008 the Democrats have found that hatred and division get votes. Bill and Hillary were the first victims of this country-diminishing tactic -- candidate Barack Obama accused Bill Clinton of being a racist. It worked and Hillary decided to drop out, take the job as Secretary of State for one term, then campaign using the Clinton Foundation money.
The hate the Democrats threw around recently settled on our police officers, and now that their Ward Bosses in BLM are losing steam, they have to invent something else.
Meanwhile the Republicans are saying "My copy of the Constitution says the President and elected officials serve ALL Americans". Why hate ANY of our fellow citizens.
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Wow, talk about spin.
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You do know that Bannon et al created the term alr-right? He is running the donald's compaign.
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Hillary Clinton is a vile person who has sold out the state department and our national security for personal gain. We have all the evidence but a corrupt attorney general and FBI refuses to prosecute her because she is the wife of a former president. The Democrats are so corrupt we now have Chicago politics in Washington. The Republicans are complicit at best. The entire establishment has been compromised, including the 4th estate. Our democracy is over. The only thing left is the funeral.
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Let us remember that as opposed to the soon to be indicted bunko artist Donald Trump, Hillary did not personally profit from one red cent from any Foundations contributions and in fact at the end of the day the Clinton foundation's programs saved thousands of lives. Her e-mails including latest 15.000 have been examined by the FBI and no wrong doing found. The "pay for play" allegations have so far just been a Trumpists fever dream with no proof of wrongdoing. Hardly any scrutiny though has been given to the million plus e-mails deleted by Karl Rove, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell (inclluding the ones on his private server) that could give us insight into the real crime of this century - the unnecessary war in Iraq that costs well over half a million lives.
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This is the most frustrating Presidential election since my first, 1968. That year, the choice was Lyndon Johnson lapdog Hubert Humphrey vs Richard Nixon. I finally threw my hands up in the air and made a protest write in vote for John Wayne.
Anthough I am a life long Democrat, I cannot vote for someone as ethically challenged as the Clintons. I worked at a high level in NJ State Government. On the organization chart, there was only one person between me and the Governor. I was involved in economic regulation of utilities and insurance. There was more annual revenue at stake than the entire State budget. I got to see the destructive effect of large scale influence peddling and corruption at the top, filtering down to the diligent professional staffs. It resulted in many bad decisions, disillusionment in the civil service workers forced to carry out these edicts that they knew were wrong, and the compound effect of this corruption a generation ago has a substantial effect on the mess that State is in today. So I will not vote for Hillary.
Trump, I admired him for the fact that he was not a conservative, that he denied the big lie that Bush "kept us safe", and that he broke the Bush dynasty and kept us safe from Ted Cruz. But he is very erratic. I do not mind the fact he presents few specific plans. His experience is that he can only develop goals, and all players in the process must get on board to develop a specific plan.
Too bad John Wayne is dead.
Anthough I am a life long Democrat, I cannot vote for someone as ethically challenged as the Clintons. I worked at a high level in NJ State Government. On the organization chart, there was only one person between me and the Governor. I was involved in economic regulation of utilities and insurance. There was more annual revenue at stake than the entire State budget. I got to see the destructive effect of large scale influence peddling and corruption at the top, filtering down to the diligent professional staffs. It resulted in many bad decisions, disillusionment in the civil service workers forced to carry out these edicts that they knew were wrong, and the compound effect of this corruption a generation ago has a substantial effect on the mess that State is in today. So I will not vote for Hillary.
Trump, I admired him for the fact that he was not a conservative, that he denied the big lie that Bush "kept us safe", and that he broke the Bush dynasty and kept us safe from Ted Cruz. But he is very erratic. I do not mind the fact he presents few specific plans. His experience is that he can only develop goals, and all players in the process must get on board to develop a specific plan.
Too bad John Wayne is dead.
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John Wayne was an actor and the whole "I was a lifelong Democrat" meme is way past its prime
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Miriam, re-read my post, which you misquote. I AM a lifelong Democrat. I am Democratic Chairman of my small town, and each election cycle, though retired, I contribute over $1000 to worthy Democratic primary and general election candidates, both nationally, and at the State and local level. But I will never give a nickel to one I consider corrupt.
And you need to understand the concept of a protest vote. My father, in his generation, once cast a protest vote for Hoot Gibson.
More specifically, Miriam, a protest vote is cast for a ridiculous candidate. It expresses the thought that the choices offered are so unacceptable, this ridiculous candidate would be better.
And you need to understand the concept of a protest vote. My father, in his generation, once cast a protest vote for Hoot Gibson.
More specifically, Miriam, a protest vote is cast for a ridiculous candidate. It expresses the thought that the choices offered are so unacceptable, this ridiculous candidate would be better.
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So you say, RM. A "protest vote", especially for a fictional character, is an abondonment of your responsibility to participate in democracy. Voting is not a joke or a game. Don't vote if you wish, but do not make a mockery of the process. Who are you amusing? the computer that scans the ballot, a poll worker, yourself? Writing in an actual candidate is a time-hored and respected and occasionally successful method of voting
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As I noted in a yet to be published post, HRC's attack on Trump, given her own lack of credibility, even with her own base much less with her rivals in the other camp, could backfire on her, and unwittingly she may be motivating even more of Trump's right wing supporters to vote in November, if for no other reason than their dislike of HRC. Remember that among the "derechistas" who back Trump r also those who have been made redundant by globalization, offshoring of jobs, and HRC's support for NAFTA.Truly amazing that so few journos have called her out on that. Bromides and platitudes r not solutions for current crisis America finds itself in with regard to open borders, illegal immigration and reinsertion of the unemployed into the work force. When I am in my smistamento on the river in south Fla.,I can't help but notice that almost all landscaping is done by those speaking language of Cervantes, and only that, since I have engaged them in both English and Spanish, and all the cab drivers r Haitian.We want integration,not submersion.There is tremendous animosity for HRC in the hinterlands, and she only exacerbates it by harping on links between DT and the alt-right. In France we called them "les ultras!"
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Seriously that whole "yet to published" is odd. and the word salad is getting old. Castilian Spanish (the language of Cevantes who died in the early 1600s)? The language of Shakepeare is a little obtuse for modern English speakers, so seriously, Cervantes? This sort of thing sounds really clever on Reddit but doesn't play as well anywhere elese.
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@Miriam: Very nice of you to comment and your interest is appreciated, but you ignore the main point, that we r not witnessing integration of immigrants.into the mainstream, compatible with our policy of creating a multicultural society.We Americans are being submerged by "indocumentados" willing to work for less, and r victims of this policy which Obama and the Clintons have promoted big time,his idea of "transforming" America. O's and HRC's apathy towards plight of "petits blancs," their mockery of us is truly amazing..Clinton and her "patron"share the same disdain for the commonality. I know Raleigh, Silicon Valley of the south east.It is a posh,pricey community,mainly white, well educated, and folks r able to afford homes at a half million and up.Volunteered in Clinton campaign there in 1991. Met HRC who struck me as someone with a "mauvais caractere,(bad temper)!"Try to avoid fuss budgetry, pedantry which obscures my main point which is that undocumented workers, speaking only Spanish, have excluded American workers from the labor pool, and in the event we r able to find jobs cutting people's lawns, we must work for less.
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So many comments here speak of fighting it out with these people. But what does that actually mean? Ideologies are not defeated at the ballot box. They are defeateted with education. Clearly we've failed to teach the value and application of reason. The adults may be a lost cause but in kids there's always hope.
But it will always be one step up and two steps back so long as there's money to be made selling hate media. I'm talking to you, Roger Ailes. Fox may look like the cub scouts now compared to the alt-right voices out there, but he is far and away more responsible than anyone for our political and social fabric being so torn now.
But it will always be one step up and two steps back so long as there's money to be made selling hate media. I'm talking to you, Roger Ailes. Fox may look like the cub scouts now compared to the alt-right voices out there, but he is far and away more responsible than anyone for our political and social fabric being so torn now.
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what are you talking about? you leftists have controlled education for decades. you blame some gimicky fox news network for trying to take advantage of a market niche of white republicans lol. the left is the disruptive force. they are playing identity politics, pandering to blacks and minorities, brain washing whites to feel guilty for existing, importing millions of latin americans since they know that 84% of them vote democrat.. fox news is milquetoast, softcore, entertainment style news, too afraid of being called racist to actually speak up for their audience . you cant possibly believe this
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Actually, ideologies are defeated at the ballot box. It is there that the quality and quantity of education is determined. There is a concerted effort by a major political party to discourage the teaching of critical thinking. The ballot box is the only way to discourage that agenda.
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If you're wondering how our election process could have become so completely corrupted, look at the city from which much of the candidate funding originates. When the kings of the most notorious gambling town in the world are effectively controlling our election process, what else could you expect except deception in it's most egregious and sophisticated form. It's the 'science' of human psychological manipulation engaged for profit that has been borrowed from gambling and applied to our election process.
Sadly, it appears to be working to produce as bad a result as gambling provides on an ongoing basis. Inevitably, aspirations for democracy will always be compromised by human nature. Unless those aspirations are continually reinvigorated, they will likely lose to the more primitive alternative.
Sadly, it appears to be working to produce as bad a result as gambling provides on an ongoing basis. Inevitably, aspirations for democracy will always be compromised by human nature. Unless those aspirations are continually reinvigorated, they will likely lose to the more primitive alternative.
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The Prince of Monaco is involved? My god, who knew...
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I only saw the clip, but have an idea the rest of her remarks were just as thoughtful and cogent. This only adds to her inate understanding of problems we have faced since well before our founding and as a woman, most of whom are more objective than men, she is in a much better position to solve them than Mr Trump and his followers.
She stands physically shorter than Mr Trump and his son in law, but she sure is head and shoulders above both of them mentally.
The only alternative alt-right has to offer is to that of reason. Why any who have lived in the States for more than a week or two still consider Mr Trump's candidacy viable may be an indication they have, on the western swings of his campaign, done a bit of herbal shopping in the open-minded states of Colorado and Washington.
She stands physically shorter than Mr Trump and his son in law, but she sure is head and shoulders above both of them mentally.
The only alternative alt-right has to offer is to that of reason. Why any who have lived in the States for more than a week or two still consider Mr Trump's candidacy viable may be an indication they have, on the western swings of his campaign, done a bit of herbal shopping in the open-minded states of Colorado and Washington.
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I don't see Clinton playing a part in this issue. This seems fully and squarely created by the media. It's the media, such as NY Times, that gives the alt-right the oxygen it needs to function.
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But the media does not expose their white supremacist ideology and their agenda. Trump feeds the extreme fringe with his incendiary speech and his inane conspiracy suggestions
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@Irene Hanlon
Just as the Times feeds the extreme left....
Just as the Times feeds the extreme left....
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Trump has given air to this smoldering fire and it will burn long after his defeat in November. This toxic ideology must not be allowed to stand and must be opposed by removing the tinder that fuel it: income inequality, xenophobia, and cultural insecurity. This fight will not be brief and likely to last at least over the next decade. We, liberals, must have faith that progressive economic policies, continuing demographic shift, increasing urbanization, and improving civil education will ultimately win this war of ideas.
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While I support calling a snake a snake, it can become a slippery slope to start trading slime with slime. Leave the pronouncements on slime to the lieutenants and captains, Save the Colonels and Generals for the guiding of the ship. My meaning is simple, deny the others the credit, they don't deserve it, but do address it with a solid polished line.
The best way, from my limited perspective, is to have the chief addressing the only thing that she alone can get done, showing some gentle caring polish in her delivery. Show that she cares about people, not because they are Democrats, not because they are GOP that she is trying to win over, not even because they are voters that she needs now, NO to all that. That she cares because "We are All American Citizens and she wants to serve us all."
Her experience is so well known and appreciated, it is a given. It is only her true caring that makes this election anything but a laugher. If she starts getting some of that old Bill Clinton heart into it. Let the masses know that she is listening to their words and fears and she understands them and care.
The best way, from my limited perspective, is to have the chief addressing the only thing that she alone can get done, showing some gentle caring polish in her delivery. Show that she cares about people, not because they are Democrats, not because they are GOP that she is trying to win over, not even because they are voters that she needs now, NO to all that. That she cares because "We are All American Citizens and she wants to serve us all."
Her experience is so well known and appreciated, it is a given. It is only her true caring that makes this election anything but a laugher. If she starts getting some of that old Bill Clinton heart into it. Let the masses know that she is listening to their words and fears and she understands them and care.
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Has anyone else noticed the lack of articles in nyt politic section about the emails connected to the Clinton foundation?! While not a trump supporter ( I plan on voting green since I live in California ) I do find it quite strange. If she is corrupt as it seems the times should be reporting on it while there is still time before the election to hopefully replace her. Such a secretive corrupt compulsive liar doesn't deserve to be president any more than egomaniacal compulsive liar really.
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These are dangerous times for the democracy of the United States. Such groups as the Alt-Right are pandering to an element of society for hate and prejudice that looks and smells like what occurred in 1932. For all you that say it was wrong to call these people out, you are dead wrong. Those of us that do not realize your rights and freedoms are about to be taken away for the Alt-right good, may be staring at 1939.
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Like many conservatives, these people live in an alt-right alt-universe of their own creation, where they can hear and read nothing but one another's words, untroubled by reality. Their encounter with the spotlight will not go as well as they imagine.
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The Alt-Right shouldn't be Thrilled, they can no longer hide in the shadows to spew their hate, they are now out in the open for everyone to see just who these far right radical ultra conservatives are. The Republican Party can no longer try and deny that a larger part of their party is the Alt-Right and by Donald Trump bringing in Steve Bannon as the CEO of Trumps campaign, they are also bring in the Alt Right and part of the GOP. Everyone knew that the GOP was racist, but they did it by a wink wink and a nod to hind it. Well it is all out in the open now, and the Republican Party can now be called a Racist Political Party for all to see.
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I do not agree this is "shock value rhetoric" at this point. Most voters have no idea what alt-right is or how evil and dangerous Trump is becoming. She must educate people the best she can to at least understand what he is doing. Then let her surrogates take it from there.
Donald will do and say anything about her. She needs to prove she can knock him to the floor.. then pivot back to the economy, jobs, etc. She has this election in the bag... now let Trump learn how it feels to be the biggest Presidential loser in modern history.
It's tricky... but he brought us here and she can't ignore it totally.
Donald will do and say anything about her. She needs to prove she can knock him to the floor.. then pivot back to the economy, jobs, etc. She has this election in the bag... now let Trump learn how it feels to be the biggest Presidential loser in modern history.
It's tricky... but he brought us here and she can't ignore it totally.
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"Then let her surrogates take it from there....It's tricky... but he brought us here and she can't ignore it totally."
I agree and believe that post-Labor Day we will see the re-emergence of Elizabeth Warren, second only to President Obama in her ability to pierce Donald's thin shell effectively.
Tim Kaine's speech at FAMU yesterday was just brilliant! Did Donald's "black advisors" understand Senator Kaine's reference to "North Star" and that celestial body's (and publication's) significance and explain same to their candidate? Not likely.
I agree and believe that post-Labor Day we will see the re-emergence of Elizabeth Warren, second only to President Obama in her ability to pierce Donald's thin shell effectively.
Tim Kaine's speech at FAMU yesterday was just brilliant! Did Donald's "black advisors" understand Senator Kaine's reference to "North Star" and that celestial body's (and publication's) significance and explain same to their candidate? Not likely.
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Similarly, the alt-right isn't really in favor of free speech. In practice, it's in favor of, for example, the supposed "right" of straight male comic-book artists & gaming designers to draw female characters with big boobs -- AND not be criticized for it.
Big boobs, barely-there costumes, bodies so extreme they make Barbie look like she needs to shop the plus-size section at Lane Bryant, & posed in deep squats, on their knees (or hands and knees), with backs arched practically into a limber or in other contorted positions designed to further exaggerate their sex organs or signify submissiveness. Sometimes these characters even engage in pornographic, degrading sex. These "artists" not only want to depict all this, they want not be criticized for it.
So what they really want is to suppress the free speech of their critics.
In addition, they want to exercise their free speech "right" to waste the time of other people on Twitter (people with non-political accounts) in disingenuous & endless "debates" in which they use specious arguments & show no genuine interest in communicating, but rather only in twisting the other person's words, insulting them, trying to publicly humiliate them & "winning" (or at least getting the last word) at all costs.
Last, they want the free speech "right" to do what they did to Ghostbusters actor Leslie Jones: Harass, dox, troll, bully, intimidate, spew racist & misogynist slurs & unload a barrage of hate & contempt.
Similarly, the alt-right isn't really in favor of free speech. In practice, it's in favor of, for example, the supposed "right" of straight male comic-book artists & gaming designers to draw female characters with big boobs -- AND not be criticized for it.
Big boobs, barely-there costumes, bodies so extreme they make Barbie look like she needs to shop the plus-size section at Lane Bryant, & posed in deep squats, on their knees (or hands and knees), with backs arched practically into a limber or in other contorted positions designed to further exaggerate their sex organs or signify submissiveness. Sometimes these characters even engage in pornographic, degrading sex. These "artists" not only want to depict all this, they want not be criticized for it.
So what they really want is to suppress the free speech of their critics.
In addition, they want to exercise their free speech "right" to waste the time of other people on Twitter (people with non-political accounts) in disingenuous & endless "debates" in which they use specious arguments & show no genuine interest in communicating, but rather only in twisting the other person's words, insulting them, trying to publicly humiliate them & "winning" (or at least getting the last word) at all costs.
Last, they want the free speech "right" to do what they did to Ghostbusters actor Leslie Jones: Harass, dox, troll, bully, intimidate, spew racist & misogynist slurs & unload a barrage of hate & contempt.
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@alfdkf: The malicious personal attacks on Ms. Jones resulted in breitbart staffer Milo Yiannopoulos' lifelong ban from Twitter.
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Both Political Parties have dramatically failed the American People. If this happens again, it will be time for serious political party reform in America.
As Dolly Parton stated about the candidates: "They're both nutz!"
So true.
As Dolly Parton stated about the candidates: "They're both nutz!"
So true.
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Donald J Trump and Rudy Giuliani have been reviewing the polls and have decided to come up with a Plan B for after the election. They will go on tour around the globe playing Felix Ungar and Oscar Madison doing a modernized version of The Odd Couple.
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"Daddy Boar Locks Meets The Grinch."
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Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer (Sun Tzu 400-320 BC) - meaning I would rather know what my enemies are up to, rather than turn away and pretend they don't exist. Trump has already made us aware of the alt-right, as he has given them a voice - not only a national voice, but a world-wide voice, too. That Secretary Clinton has pointed this out is intelligent, informed, and mindful, something we should all be in this most unusual election year. An informed electorate would make decisions based upon fact. And the fact is, the alt-right is real and is growing. White men are their followers, and it must have galled them (never mind their arrogant tweets) to watch a woman point out their low-life connection to Trump and his racist, misogynistic world view. As an example: look what happened when people ignored Trump and did not take him seriously: he became the Republication nominee for President of the United States!
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Despite the fact that I sleep much, much better now that I know that the election is rigged that doesn't damp my appetite for knowing early in the morning what new "things" Donald J Trump "heard" form "great people, very great people" and that is the first item in my agenda when I wake up. I am looking forward to the day in which Donald J Trump announces that he just "heard" "things" from Elvis.
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One of the housekeepers of one of the hotels where Donald J Trump stayed recently heard a strange noise in Trump's room. She took a peek. Trump was banging his shoe on a lectern, Nikita style. Trump has been practicing for his first U.N. General Assembly appearance. The housekeeper discretely left the room and closed the door without been noticed by Trump.
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After years of endless canards about who Hillary Clinton supposedly is, it's not surprising that Clinton is heavily critiqued and questioned after giving a great speech embodying who she actually is. I admire that this woman had the courage to say what needed to be said. The same is not true for tough guys like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. At best, they make weak statements about how they don't agree with some of the things Trump or white supremacists say before they run and hide. It's craven because they know Trump is in bed with people seeking to destroy our republic. Clinton is never going to be cuddly or speak in breathy tones about fashion trends; she a tough serious person who doesn't care much about those things. Further, pundits need to take a hard look in the mirror before they criticize Clinton for shining a light on racism which they have failed to adequately confront. Clinton was certainly not describing people who disagree with the left, unless there are those who want to seriously argue that there's no difference between the things Betty Ford believed in and the things David Duke believes in. No, Clinton was addressing the rise of fascism in America and how Trump is both promoting and empowering it. We all need to get off our collective backsides and stop pretending that these people will simply disappear if we just ignore them. Clinton finally threw down the gauntlet, it's time for all decent Americans to stand up to these bullies.
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I wish we all had the courage to stand up for what we believe as Hillary Clinton had done for decades. No one has more to lose than Hillary does right now, on a personal level. However, we ALL have everything to lose if we do not stand up for the rights of ourselves and others right now. We will set our country back in every way imaginable if we do not voice our concerns regarding the inequality and racism that exists in our country and in Europe and the world at present. We can change things. The whole world is watching to see if we have the individual fortitude to do the right thing and stop the march of bigotry and racism across our country.
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Eventually Obama will retire in his native state of Hawaii. Obama just extended the protected waters around Hawaii. Apparently the rumor that started to go around this week had a lot to do with that extension. The rumor is that Donald J Trump doesn't know how to swim.
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You couldn't get the Obamas to move out of Washington, D.C. if you had Aladdin's genie and Santa Claus working full-time on the project.
They'll only leave if the dollar collapses and the supply of imported commodities is interrupted.
They'll only leave if the dollar collapses and the supply of imported commodities is interrupted.
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Santa Claus doesn't have a moving company. Saw your meme on Reddit this morning.
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I'll assume the poster was seized by fits of anger & fear.
I'll assume the poster was seized by fits of anger & fear.
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A masterful and very important speech. She was tipping off the run of the mill GOP voter about what Trump's closest and deepest advisors are allied with. My bet is they had no idea about how white nationalism and racial haters are an actual movement that see in Trump their savior.
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Having been the personal target of hate speech, I can tell you that Senator Clinton speaking out has made a huge difference. Hate speech hurts people - real living people. And Trump and the the latest iterations are just that - the latest iterations. Try to imagine having people shove signs in your face that says "AIDS is God's punishment" when your loved one is dying of the disease--and that's just one example. Hate speech--no matter whom the target--causes real pain. And the silence - the deafening silence - when other leaders do not speak out causes more pain. For some of us Americans, none of this is surprising or new - we've been living with it all our lives. Thank you, Senator Clinton, who has endured a great deal of hate speech as well. (Just watch a video of a Trump rally or google the slogans on T-Shirts sold at Trump rallies.)
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She should just focus on Nafta, Cafta and Shafta, then move on to Libya, Syria and Iran, then close with Benghazi and the donor list to the clinton fdn and her appointments schedule at Sec of State because what she really does well is lie, cheat and steal.
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Election Playbook #6 when having a bad week, divert attention away from email scandal:
Play the race card on opponent.
The American Public is getting wiser and wiser every election cycle Hilary.
Remember when Bill said that President Obama could be caring their bags?
Play the race card on opponent.
The American Public is getting wiser and wiser every election cycle Hilary.
Remember when Bill said that President Obama could be caring their bags?
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I am thrilled beyond words to see the Hillary bringing out the fact based heavy artillery against these demagogues. Do not let up until the election.
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I never realized how prevalent racial bigotry is in our country until we had a Black president. The tea party shocked me with their signs depicting Obama as a witch doctor with a bone piercing his nose. I couldn't comprehend how these people were unashamed. If I felt that way about Obama I would at least try and hide it.
That said, I do not believe that I am a bigot because I want illegal immigrants to be sent home. No one should be here illegally regardless of how they entered the country. I have been willing to overlook anything untoward that Trump has said as long as he continued to promise to send the illegals home and maintained his commitment to change our trade policies to bring back jobs and penalize corporate inversions. (Yes, I realize that it is Congress that legislates but I believed that Trump would "out" the villains in Congress and run them off.)
I now have serious concerns about the company Trump surrounds himself with as well as his own power-mad drunkenness.
That said, I do not believe that I am a bigot because I want illegal immigrants to be sent home. No one should be here illegally regardless of how they entered the country. I have been willing to overlook anything untoward that Trump has said as long as he continued to promise to send the illegals home and maintained his commitment to change our trade policies to bring back jobs and penalize corporate inversions. (Yes, I realize that it is Congress that legislates but I believed that Trump would "out" the villains in Congress and run them off.)
I now have serious concerns about the company Trump surrounds himself with as well as his own power-mad drunkenness.
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@jmm
You should consider yourself very lucky that you didn't realize how prevalent the racial bigotry in this country is, until President Obama was elected.
And if you keep reading through these comments, you will really see just how deeply divided this country is.
You have every right to be concerned about Donald Trump and the company he keeps.
You should consider yourself very lucky that you didn't realize how prevalent the racial bigotry in this country is, until President Obama was elected.
And if you keep reading through these comments, you will really see just how deeply divided this country is.
You have every right to be concerned about Donald Trump and the company he keeps.
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@N.Smith
Not the country, N. It's how deeply divided the commenters seem to be. You surely can't believe that the Times' commentariat "regulars" are representative of the majority of our citizenry... Or maybe you do. How silly...
Not the country, N. It's how deeply divided the commenters seem to be. You surely can't believe that the Times' commentariat "regulars" are representative of the majority of our citizenry... Or maybe you do. How silly...
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Curious, you're running daily "odds of winning" numbers for the Presidential election ... how accurate was that tool for the Brexit vote?
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I have consistently been torn between fascination over the state of the race and dismay as covering it like a horse race. More attention needs to be paid to the positions of the candidates and the implications of their positions down-ballot and in terms of executive appointments.
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Can we PLEASE stop talking about RACE. All of us have a common interest in a thriving society. The politics of grievance undermines this. Just let each fulfill himself.
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Seriously, you would tell a patient not to discuss the roots of a disease?
And if you were the one on the receiving end of this, you would be OK with being asked to dismiss your experience because others find it something they would rather not deal with? I think we know that doesnt work. Kids are braver now.
And if you were the one on the receiving end of this, you would be OK with being asked to dismiss your experience because others find it something they would rather not deal with? I think we know that doesnt work. Kids are braver now.
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"Can we PLEASE stop talking about RACE."
As if not talking about race would make racism go away.
We've tried that. It did not work.
As if not talking about race would make racism go away.
We've tried that. It did not work.
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But if we never address Hillary's sales of access to her through the State Department that issue MIGHT go away?
The Obama Administration specifically told the FBI not to investigate why all these millions of dollars flowed into the pay-for-play racket.
The Obama Administration specifically told the FBI not to investigate why all these millions of dollars flowed into the pay-for-play racket.
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It's just like when you block them on Twitter. They crow about it as a badge of honor -- among their 122 followers.
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"Richard B. Spencer, the president of the white-nationalist National Policy Institute, who is CREDITED with coming up with the name “alt-right,”
Why is the mainstream media using a term coined by a WHITE SUPREMACIST? Why are we giving these racists and bigots a milquetoast description like Alt-Right. Hello NYTs. They're not just some group to the right of the right wing in this country. They're hate groups. They're Neo Nazi groups. Alt-right? Really?
Why is the mainstream media using a term coined by a WHITE SUPREMACIST? Why are we giving these racists and bigots a milquetoast description like Alt-Right. Hello NYTs. They're not just some group to the right of the right wing in this country. They're hate groups. They're Neo Nazi groups. Alt-right? Really?
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Why? Because giving naming hate is the first step in defeating it.
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Just tonight, basketball star Dwyane Wade's cousin was shot and killed in Chicago as she pushed a baby stroller.
The killer has not been caught but it's pretty much guaranteed that whoever the killer is has a very long rap sheet.
What's the point? The criminal justice system here in Chicago is a total joke. Thugs with long rap sheets habitually rotate through revolving doors with the courts. Hillary's answer is to keep thugs on the streets and basically eliminate the 2nd Amendment.
Trump's answer is to let cops do their jobs and crack down on crime. Violent career criminals won't be coddled.
OK, let's hear it: Bbbbbb...but sometimes cops kill the wrong person so it's a terrible idea! It's racist to lock up anyone!
Hmmmm. OK. Ya know, sometimes corrupt lying career politicians do the wrong thing but they get to run for President.
Highest crime neighborhoods, (and in Chicago it's a fact they're populated mainly by minorities--so this is not a racist statement) are filled with poor people who are terrified to leave their homes. Chicago has beautiful parks but some aren't used by families because the gangs have taken them over.
Trump has said over and over he wants to reduce crime. The Left pretends that crime is almost nonexistent and that those who mention it are just using it as an excuse to lock up more minorities. Never mind the fact that of the 460 + homicides this year alone in Chicago, 75% are black and 19% are hispanic. Google it.
The killer has not been caught but it's pretty much guaranteed that whoever the killer is has a very long rap sheet.
What's the point? The criminal justice system here in Chicago is a total joke. Thugs with long rap sheets habitually rotate through revolving doors with the courts. Hillary's answer is to keep thugs on the streets and basically eliminate the 2nd Amendment.
Trump's answer is to let cops do their jobs and crack down on crime. Violent career criminals won't be coddled.
OK, let's hear it: Bbbbbb...but sometimes cops kill the wrong person so it's a terrible idea! It's racist to lock up anyone!
Hmmmm. OK. Ya know, sometimes corrupt lying career politicians do the wrong thing but they get to run for President.
Highest crime neighborhoods, (and in Chicago it's a fact they're populated mainly by minorities--so this is not a racist statement) are filled with poor people who are terrified to leave their homes. Chicago has beautiful parks but some aren't used by families because the gangs have taken them over.
Trump has said over and over he wants to reduce crime. The Left pretends that crime is almost nonexistent and that those who mention it are just using it as an excuse to lock up more minorities. Never mind the fact that of the 460 + homicides this year alone in Chicago, 75% are black and 19% are hispanic. Google it.
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If the baby in the stroller has been allowed to exercise his/her Second Amendment rights and had a gun with him/her in the stroller I am sure the mother will still be alive.
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Chicago lawmen have told Trump that were they given permission to do EVERY legal step, they could clear this situation of sixteen thousand shootings in eight years up in a matter of weeks.
Our elites have a vested interest in maintaining the crisis atmosphere in the large, dangerous American cities.
It's like someone said, ''Democrats allowed this to happen so I'm SURE Democrats can fix it.''
Our elites have a vested interest in maintaining the crisis atmosphere in the large, dangerous American cities.
It's like someone said, ''Democrats allowed this to happen so I'm SURE Democrats can fix it.''
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There are a lot of presumptions in this that do not have any facts to back them up. That's not a problem for the Trump/Fox news people of course. They live in their own factless fantasy world.
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You see she was asked about this at different times. The S.P.L.C. and there great leader Mores Dees. He is always trying to bring to the attention of the American people just what these people are up too. He has a report out every quarter called the intelligence report. I recommend all read this.
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(AsP) Donald Trump, while writing in a note book, was overseen writing how he believes that he can “save” America. He writes in his notes that he wants to “sell” a state. The security service man that saw the writing quit and found outside employment.
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There is an "Alt-Left" in this country that is responsible for nearly 100% of the violence at all presidential campaign rallies. The media falsely suggests that one is in more danger from rabid Trump supporters than from those who rally (effectively) on behalf of Sanders and Clinton. The most recent example, among many, was the Trump rally at the Minneapolis Convention Center where Trump supporters were physically assaulted by goons who even tried to fling feces at them, pick their pockets, and affix stickers to their heads. It seems that this only gets reported in those "Alt-Right" news outlets. It's all on video. Check it out, devoted readers of the NY Times, if you aren't too chicken to have your prejudices shaken at least a little.
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There hasn't been the violence the country saw in 1968. Not even close. Where was the "alt-left" in Cleveland, the biggest opportunity of the year?
Regardless of how many people were acting as you describe (you left out that part), I truly hope they got to cool their heels in jail for a few along with a stiff fine.
A few knuckleheads in a few places don't compare a whole lot to a far right wing media CEO running a national presidential campaign, gleefully cheered on by the Stormfront Republicans, uh, alt-right groups.
Regardless of how many people were acting as you describe (you left out that part), I truly hope they got to cool their heels in jail for a few along with a stiff fine.
A few knuckleheads in a few places don't compare a whole lot to a far right wing media CEO running a national presidential campaign, gleefully cheered on by the Stormfront Republicans, uh, alt-right groups.
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Let's not call it the "alt-right".... let's call it what it really is ...white supremacy!
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I agree. I dislike this euphemism.
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This election campaign is exposing the contingency and the unpredictability of some major historical events. Everyone knows that there will be a presidential election on November 8th, as they know there will in 2020, 2024, etc. But who knew that this year's campaign would involve a cleavage and possible rupture between the political center and the far right, which has been given a megaphone and a voice by Donald Trump. Although he is likely to lose on November 8th, his supporters, including the white working class, remnants of the tea party, and the Alt-Right will remain a force to conjure with unless the Democrats can win the Senate and the House, and pass much needed legislation that will alleviate the problem of low and stagnant wages, institute some modest gun regulations, lower the age for receiving social security benefits for working people but raise it for upper-middle class people and above, make college free or affordable for the children of parents making less than $125,000 a year, and institute apprentice and vocational training for those who want to enter the health professions, skilled manufacturing, and other trades and professions that do not require a liberal arts education.
Unless the federal government can restore the American Dream--basically the idea that people believe their children will lead better lives than they are leading--we will face years of turmoil and worse.
Unless the federal government can restore the American Dream--basically the idea that people believe their children will lead better lives than they are leading--we will face years of turmoil and worse.
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Even if (let's hope) Trump loses, we will not be rid of Trumpism after November 8th. However, we can soft-pedal its effects by giving the Democrats an overwhelming victory up and down the ticket, and then, unlike President Obama's unforced error, load the agenda in the first two years of a Clinton administration with the necessary actions and laws to get essential projects done that Republicans have ignored: fill the supreme court vacancy; get to work on roads, railroads and bridges; simplify the tax system in a far and equitable manner, etc.
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Following your elections from a distance of 12,000 miles is becoming difficult to watch. The world needs a strong America. You are a beacon of strength and reason in an increasingly unreasonable world. We are brothers and sisters. So we watch with growing horror as America fights for its soul. You will only have one chance. One chance. But if you fail...
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I think this was a good strategy for Clinton. Not only did she link the alt-right to Trump, but mage a long lasting attachment of it to the conservative party.
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Supposedly she was trying not to tie it too much to the GOP, because no one likes being called a racist, and it could backfire.
Maybe President Obama should speak out, or write a book when he leaves office. I'd buy it.
Maybe President Obama should speak out, or write a book when he leaves office. I'd buy it.
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you have to admit one thing, when Hillary name-dropped and praised McCain, Dole, Ryan and the other "proper republicans" that know how to lose gracefully, it must have caused some cringing. It sure doesn't help the GOP's image that (in some peoples eyes) is viewed as controlled opposition ...
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Every time I see a photograph of Jared Taylor with his faux lord of the manor pretensions I want to laugh at how ridiculous he and his "movement" are.
He and his surroundings are like fake fossils. I'm not worried that exposure to light and air will cause more followers. I think more of America and Americans than to believe that he has a future beyond life in his fantasy world of hate and ignorance.
He and his surroundings are like fake fossils. I'm not worried that exposure to light and air will cause more followers. I think more of America and Americans than to believe that he has a future beyond life in his fantasy world of hate and ignorance.
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The main difference between the Alt-Right and the Alt-Left is that the Alt-Left's racism is allowed by the media to flourish out in the open, pretty much unchallenged. If a black American expresses racist sentiments, or even acts on them violently, it is excused as justifiable rage owing to past repression. It matters not if the victims were 10 years old, or immigrated to the United States last year, or were champions of the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
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The thing is, Schmoe, the Alt-Left doesn't exist except in your fevered mind. Nobody I know condones violence by anyone, black or white. If progressives try to avoid stereotyping, or look at underlying issues, it is not to "excuse". It is to ask the questions that are calling out for answers. Such as, is there injustice in our system that favors some and punishes others just because of their class, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. And we believe that maybe ours can be a "more perfect union" if we address injustice. But you do NOT get to state as a fact that we excuse violence in any way, shape, or form. It isn't the candidate on the left who is advocating her followers to pummel protesters. She doesn't promise to pay their legal fees if they take that despicable advice. You can disagree with progressives on policy, Schmoe, but you don't get to smear us with lies.
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that's not alt-left, that's just the left. its mainstream. the alt-left is an offshoot of the alt right, from what I understand - also white identitarians, but still maintain a focus on leftist, socialist economics, environmentalism, etc. Of course if they're still around their numbers are vanishingly small, as they have no pool of people to recruit - virtually any ideologically active liberal/leftist would see them as the devil incarnate. The left elite's strategy of pandering to ethnic minority voting blocks and advancing the narrative of the "coalition of the oppressed" has long since supplanted any boring economic stuff. They know how to get votes.
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Please be more objective. Anything can be spun. The answer was already decided before the question was asked - "Why is there violence in this black neighborhood" - "Because of racism by whites". See how that works? Or statistically non-white crimes are much less likely to be given coverage. Or if a white cop is involved in a questionable shooting it will be given much more. It goes on and on. You may find this to be justified to make up for some original sin that we share, but you can't pretend its not there. Like you can't say that democrats organizing the BLM, or busing protesters to Trump rallies as the police watch them trash the place (another thing you won't see on many news sites). Pretending that the candidate has nothing to do with her parties activities makes as little sense as the idea Trump is controlling these internet trolls.
Finally, whatever injustice you think exists, it is much less than in reality. Injustice is an industry for the progressives, they will create it if they have to. I guarantee that nearly anything you name me - arrest rates, prison population, officer involved shootings... pay gaps - i can tell you is simply untrue, and cite concrete evidence. I can tell you that as a white male if I were to threaten a police officer in some way, he would shoot me a split second sooner than he would a black suspect doing the same thing, because he's afraid of having his face on CNN.
Finally, whatever injustice you think exists, it is much less than in reality. Injustice is an industry for the progressives, they will create it if they have to. I guarantee that nearly anything you name me - arrest rates, prison population, officer involved shootings... pay gaps - i can tell you is simply untrue, and cite concrete evidence. I can tell you that as a white male if I were to threaten a police officer in some way, he would shoot me a split second sooner than he would a black suspect doing the same thing, because he's afraid of having his face on CNN.
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We need to Ctrl-Alt-Right and Delete them. Notoriety is what they seek for legitimacy, and the only defense we have is to ignore them. It is too late to Backspace all over Trump and his notorious offenses.
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Trump is no doubt racist, but with a clear case of arrested development - still stuck with a frat boy mentality. I have seen these guys before, their parents usually had money and totally spoiled their sons into high school and beyond. Many frat boys were mouthy, were quick to laugh at anyone else even in cases of physical or mental disability and generally had superior ideas about themselves compared to other students. They pulled all kinds of zany and sometimes cruel pranks with the confidence that their parents' influence could almost always get them out of any real jam. They were white, of course, and looked down on anyone who did not fit their profile of first class. They were of course misogynistic; females were always looked on as potential bounty. They sought conquest through virtually any means so that they could brag about it afterwards, within their select little group of course. They were self-absorbed, mean brats who looked on other people as fodder for their entertainment. They cheated on exams and lied without conscience if it suited their purposes. They went into manhood without growing up. In short, they were trouble makers who could care less about how they hurt others or institutions. Frat boy. Donald Trump to a T.
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What the "alt right" doesn't understand... there was once, in the late 1960s, "radical left." Both are a mirror image of each other, only from different eras. The "radical left" left liberals functionally crippled politically for 40+ years. I fully expect conservatism to labor under the tea party, alt right legacy for a long, long time.
It may be a good time to be progressive for several years to come... see ya, Sean Hannity.
It may be a good time to be progressive for several years to come... see ya, Sean Hannity.
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So the "alt-right", purveyors of non-equality for all, are "thrilled" that Sec. Clinton mentioned them in a speech.
Pa-thetic.
Pa-thetic.
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I read about people commenting on Hilary Clinton's health or looks (mostly from women haters that well represent the G"OPP"). Maybe they should take a look at past male presidents.
Ronald Reagan (R) was the oldest man to seek the presidency and was considered by some to be medically unfit for the position. He struggled constantly with poor health. Reagan experienced urinary tract infections (UTIs), underwent removal of prostate stones, and suffered from temporomandibular joint disease (TMJ) and arthritis. In 1987, he had operations for prostate and skin cancers, and suffered from Alzheimer’s disease. His wife, Nancy, was diagnosed with breast cancer and his daughter died from skin cancer.
George H.W. Bush (R) The senior Bush almost died as a teenager from a staph infection. As a Naval Aviator, Bush was exposed to head and lung trauma. Throughout his lifetime, he suffered several bleeding ulcers, arthritis, and various cysts. He was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation due to hyperthyroidism and was diagnosed with the autoimmune disorder Graves’ disease.
And now, there is Donald Trump (R) attempting to become the president of the US. Donald Trump by his own words says he’s only getting 3 to 4 hours of sleep. To be able to continue functioning any person would need some sort of drug to keep going and then it would be keep going for how long. What kind of drugs would it be? Might it be cocaine or speed? Add Psychological Narcissism and Sociopathy with sleep deprivation.
Ronald Reagan (R) was the oldest man to seek the presidency and was considered by some to be medically unfit for the position. He struggled constantly with poor health. Reagan experienced urinary tract infections (UTIs), underwent removal of prostate stones, and suffered from temporomandibular joint disease (TMJ) and arthritis. In 1987, he had operations for prostate and skin cancers, and suffered from Alzheimer’s disease. His wife, Nancy, was diagnosed with breast cancer and his daughter died from skin cancer.
George H.W. Bush (R) The senior Bush almost died as a teenager from a staph infection. As a Naval Aviator, Bush was exposed to head and lung trauma. Throughout his lifetime, he suffered several bleeding ulcers, arthritis, and various cysts. He was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation due to hyperthyroidism and was diagnosed with the autoimmune disorder Graves’ disease.
And now, there is Donald Trump (R) attempting to become the president of the US. Donald Trump by his own words says he’s only getting 3 to 4 hours of sleep. To be able to continue functioning any person would need some sort of drug to keep going and then it would be keep going for how long. What kind of drugs would it be? Might it be cocaine or speed? Add Psychological Narcissism and Sociopathy with sleep deprivation.
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I'am 72 years of age and I only need three or four hours sleep a day. I usually go to bed around 11:pm and rise around 3:am. Just maybe, the good lord is taking care of me and Donald are next President. At least he will rise and shine after getting that 3:am emergency phone call from our military.
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@ Hummmmmm....
Your posts are absolutely amazing. People who deny the truth of Evolution point to them as proof positive of their rejection of the law of natural selection...
Your posts are absolutely amazing. People who deny the truth of Evolution point to them as proof positive of their rejection of the law of natural selection...
Richard Spencer is right, of course.
In an age of gratuitous pride for all of the world's oppressed people, it would not seem to do much harm to celebrate as well the amazing accomplishments of Europeans.
And even to put us forward as examples for how civilizations progress.
In an age of gratuitous pride for all of the world's oppressed people, it would not seem to do much harm to celebrate as well the amazing accomplishments of Europeans.
And even to put us forward as examples for how civilizations progress.
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Every time I read one of your posts here, I am grateful that I managed to get into and out of Iceland with a 60 minute layover. (That being said, the Icelanders I met were lovely.)
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Nobody is against "accomplishments". Everyone loves Europe. What is this baby argument actually about?
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Fascinating that any remotely sane person looks at any region of this world and sees "progress." What a strange new hallucination and pathological kind of ideation! What you say in your post makes my point for me. The way you conclude -- unless you are being ironic, which is out of synch with the rest of what you write is nothing to be associated with progress in any way. It never has been. It never will be.
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TRENTON, N.J. — Trailing his opponent in the polls and lagging in field staff, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump bolstered his campaign this week by tapping a former close adviser to Gov. Chris Christie whose ascent in national Republican politics was shot down by the disclosure that he had knowledge of the politically motivated lane closures at the George Washington Bridge. Bill Stepien was hired this week as Trump’s national field director, overseeing the campaign’s political operations and voter turnout efforts. The hire was first reported Friday by The New York Times. Christie once lauded Stepien’s political gifts as among the best in the country and said he was one of his closest advisers in recent years. But Christie cut ties with Stepien on Jan. 19, 2014, after learning that his former deputy chief of staff and campaign manager showed “callous indifference” and lack of judgment in emails among staff that prosecutors say orchestrated the five-day traffic jam that has become known as Bridgegate.
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It's OK to identify the people who are glomming onto the Trump wagon as what they are: white nationalists.
Whining about "witch hunts"= really rich.
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What took her so long? Trump has been doing this since the first primary. Is this the way her presidency will be? Five months after the fact?
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" the preservation of white culture in the United States"
If they want to support white culture, they might want to look elsewhere than the United States!
If they want to support white culture, they might want to look elsewhere than the United States!
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There is not such thing as 'white culture" but there is something called European culture, worth prerserving.
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"If they want to support white culture, they might want to look elsewhere than the United States!"
Where? The United Emirates of Europa?
Where? The United Emirates of Europa?
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Donald J Trump should be careful. Sarah Palin is mad. And she has the whip ready.
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I am sure there are a lot of old rich men who would love for Palin to bring her whips and meet them anywhere she asked.
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One of Steve Bannon's own editors for Brietbart was the guy who went after that Ghostbusters actress - because he didnt like the movie! He led an incredible racist and ugly social media attack on her. Again- the guy works for Steve Bannon who is running Trump's circus. That stuff needs to be known and these guys need to be kicked to the curb.
I am glad Clinton shined a light on this bunch. They can go back under their rock now.
I am glad Clinton shined a light on this bunch. They can go back under their rock now.
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@johnson
The name of the actress is Leslie Jones. The attacks are shameful.
nytimes.com/2016/08/27/business/media/breitbart-news-presidential-race
The name of the actress is Leslie Jones. The attacks are shameful.
nytimes.com/2016/08/27/business/media/breitbart-news-presidential-race
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Curiously, there has been little mention of the provocative tweets using racist language sent by Jones herself BEFORE all this went down. It is hardly as if Jones was some sweet innocent herself.
This is the problem with our instant response, worldwide social media: a spat between 2 people most of us have barely heard of becomes an international incident very quickly. Perspective and truth disappear and the 2 adversarial sides become proxies for a whole range of other tensions.
This is the problem with our instant response, worldwide social media: a spat between 2 people most of us have barely heard of becomes an international incident very quickly. Perspective and truth disappear and the 2 adversarial sides become proxies for a whole range of other tensions.
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Here's the reason why Hillary just made a major blunder.
She failed to control the message, desperately flailing around for something to pin on Donald Trump, the Clinton campaign ALSO called Trump supporters "alt-right" bigots.
Rule #1: You never win over a crowd by insulting the crowd.
Trump cleverly turned Hillary's insult against her, accusing Hillary of playing the race card against the American people who support him.
That gives the news media a Hobson's choice--insult the American people and advance Hillary's narrative that all Trump supporters are bigots, or allow the back and forth to run its course.
I've watched CNN coverage of this today, and the banner on the screen describes the debate on race between Trump and Clinton as a "race to the bottom" Nobody wins a race to the bottom.
Tactical blunder by a desperate Clinton campaign.
She failed to control the message, desperately flailing around for something to pin on Donald Trump, the Clinton campaign ALSO called Trump supporters "alt-right" bigots.
Rule #1: You never win over a crowd by insulting the crowd.
Trump cleverly turned Hillary's insult against her, accusing Hillary of playing the race card against the American people who support him.
That gives the news media a Hobson's choice--insult the American people and advance Hillary's narrative that all Trump supporters are bigots, or allow the back and forth to run its course.
I've watched CNN coverage of this today, and the banner on the screen describes the debate on race between Trump and Clinton as a "race to the bottom" Nobody wins a race to the bottom.
Tactical blunder by a desperate Clinton campaign.
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No, it isn't, and you know it.
Your zillion posts belie your confidence in Trump. Move on, and find something productive to do.
Your zillion posts belie your confidence in Trump. Move on, and find something productive to do.
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Donald Trump and the entire alt-right do nothing but insult the crowd, the entire crowd, who are not white supremacists. You are the desperate one, and we (the long time readers here to the NYT letters to the editor) find your entire spiel ("black attorney, Christian, "Harvard" (or not, depending upon when you post) educated) suspect. If you are who you say you are, then........wow. That is just really sad, sir. Because you seem to hate the fact that you are Black. You seem to believe the world looks down on you, and you lash out because you are afraid everyone thinks you got where you are by Affirmative Action. But again....if you are who you say you are.....we assume nothing about your accomplishments except that you deserve admiration for success. Which is it? Are you a fraud? If so, shame on you. If not? You are incredibly messed up in your viewpoints. Obama isn't a con man. Liberals are not vicious idiots. People simply have differing ideas of policy. You sir, have NEVER stated on these pages what your political philosophy is, only that you hate Obama and hate liberals. Why?
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Honestly, DC, Trump is not clever.
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Given the debacle of Obama's Arab Spring, and how Hillary helped Obama create ISIS, it should be no surprise when Hillary Clinton makes a strategic blunder.
1) Hillary's namecalling didn't take the Clinton Foundation email scandal off the front page.
2) Trump's brilliant response stirred up the bigotry of Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign--and distrust among Black voters who somehow forgot all that.
3) Hillary surrendered the adult in the room/above the fray/ act presidential card by getting into the mud with all this.
A setback week for Hillary Clinton in a critical week for her campaign.
How bad are things when Trump is the one staying on message and Hillary is off message, undisciplined and on the defensive?
1) Hillary's namecalling didn't take the Clinton Foundation email scandal off the front page.
2) Trump's brilliant response stirred up the bigotry of Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign--and distrust among Black voters who somehow forgot all that.
3) Hillary surrendered the adult in the room/above the fray/ act presidential card by getting into the mud with all this.
A setback week for Hillary Clinton in a critical week for her campaign.
How bad are things when Trump is the one staying on message and Hillary is off message, undisciplined and on the defensive?
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Trump on "message"? Which one of his incoherent babblings are you referring to?
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Lol. Best keep the day job if this is *analysis* to you
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"Given the debacle of Obama's Arab Spring, and how Hillary helped Obama create ISIS, it should be no surprise when Hillary Clinton makes a strategic blunder."
There are at least 20 errors of fact, chronology, and context in that single sentence. Then again, why try the little lie when people will believe the big lie? Res ipsa loquitor, Barrister.
There are at least 20 errors of fact, chronology, and context in that single sentence. Then again, why try the little lie when people will believe the big lie? Res ipsa loquitor, Barrister.
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Those who think Hillarys speech merely promotes this shady movement are stuck in the 1960s. This so-called movement didnt need television promo; it promotes itself through tweets and other underground channels. Your 8-year-old can dial it up as easily as you can. Ms Clinton is correct to pin it up, because the disease is being propagated insidiously and widely, is threatening the country, and is tacitly approved by the Republican party.
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Alt-Right supports Trump and therefore supports the Trumps Great Wall that is the greatest proposed public works project since the Great Wall of China; yet Trump was to outsource all these good construction jobs to the Mexicans. Go figure.
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One single scream caused the obliteration of governor Howard Dean campaign. Donald J Trump has been going with his bray for more than a year and he is still a candidate. Are the Four Horsemen on their way? Maybe the end of times is near...
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Sounds like Trump has also disavowed the Alt-Right (never heard of this until she branded Trump supports with it) by his shift on immigration.
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An acknowledgement from Secretary Clinton that she did not coin the phrase "Trump will make America hate again" and then for her to give credit to whoever did, if only by saying, "As it has been said before . . ," would add subtle yet powerful credibility to Clinton's trustworthiness as a person and consequently even more power to her message. It's a simple thing, really, and it takes just a moment of thought and a little extra effort to achieve.
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Rudolf Dasher Blitzen, that series is very funny. Thanks for the laughter, a rare commodity these days ...
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I disagree.
The Obama presidency has been an 8 year joke.
Plenty to laugh about.
The Obama presidency has been an 8 year joke.
Plenty to laugh about.
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Obama is the greatest president we've had since Franklin Roosevelt. Before that you have to go all the way to Abraham Lincoln to find another exceptional President, the second greatest president since Washington.
Clinton, Hillary Clinton may top all four of them if we throw out all the Republican freeloaders from the Senate and the House. If we get some cooperation from the House and the Senate we can make America Great for the first time ever. Imagine no slavery, no misogyny, no homophobia, no hatred of immigrants, and no racism fulfilling Martin Luther's dream.
Clinton, Hillary Clinton may top all four of them if we throw out all the Republican freeloaders from the Senate and the House. If we get some cooperation from the House and the Senate we can make America Great for the first time ever. Imagine no slavery, no misogyny, no homophobia, no hatred of immigrants, and no racism fulfilling Martin Luther's dream.
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"Alt-right" sounds like a respectable slice of the American political landscape. Try, "bigoted, neo-nazi, fascist, racist, hard-right.
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You forgot hillbillies
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves but wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity. -Yeats
Are full of passionate intensity. -Yeats
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Hillary Clinton should only be talking about 2 things: Her plan for America and DJT’s 1040. Where is it?
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Hilary's plan for America includes outsourcing white collar jobs to increase her funder's profits. Probably better to not advertise that.
Vladimir Putin is having DJT's 1040 examined by his experts. As soon as they tell Vladimir that the DJT's 1040 looks fine, Vladimir will authorize Donald J Trump to release the DJT's 1040 urbi et orbi.
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Oh, I know what it is. He filed a 1040EZ and he’s embarrassed.
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Hillary's crowd and the BLM movement call for killing the police. It's rich when they claim they aren't yet vilify them at every turn. "Pigs in a blanket, fry'em
like bacon" "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? NOW!"
Of course when confronted with taped footage they deny those sentiments.
The Left screams about some fringe weirdos being the fault of the right. Yet when cops get ambushed and killed they're either ghostly silent or deny all their rhetoric. Or, blame the dead cops! "They have guns, so they should have had psychic abilities to know a thug (hero to the Left) was going to shoot them."
Somehow the Left is always blameless when it comes to crimes influenced by their philosophies. But virtually anything that can be spun into the Right's fault makes the Left wet their pants with self-righteousness.
like bacon" "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? NOW!"
Of course when confronted with taped footage they deny those sentiments.
The Left screams about some fringe weirdos being the fault of the right. Yet when cops get ambushed and killed they're either ghostly silent or deny all their rhetoric. Or, blame the dead cops! "They have guns, so they should have had psychic abilities to know a thug (hero to the Left) was going to shoot them."
Somehow the Left is always blameless when it comes to crimes influenced by their philosophies. But virtually anything that can be spun into the Right's fault makes the Left wet their pants with self-righteousness.
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Oh Ivy, this is so ridiculous. I'm sad for you. I think you are just embarrassed that your group is so awful.
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I am on the left and many people I know are fairly liberal, too, and no one I know was calling for killing the police. Where do you come up with equating the calls from a miniscule splinter of the BLM movement for revenge being some rallying cry against the police from the left. And explain to me how the left influences the Black Lives Matter movement? The BLM movement in general is a legitimate expression of grievance from the African-American movement to oppression by the police in most cities in the USA.
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Some loon on the street is not a representative of the Clinton campaign-
Get Real. Your sentiments don't even represent Law Enforcement.
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Ms Clinton did not give the Alt-right free publicity, Trump did. I'll even go further and say that Mr Trump is the Alt-right. And What makes Mr Trump so dangerous is that he was able to hide that side of him for so long. Mr Trump BUTLER for 17 Years is a Known Racist and White Supremacist.
Ms Clinton is Right to denounce Mr Trump. The Last Time a Major Country Germany (Country of Origin of Mr Trump Family) elected someone like that as their Leader, we all know what happened.
Ms Clinton is Right to denounce Mr Trump. The Last Time a Major Country Germany (Country of Origin of Mr Trump Family) elected someone like that as their Leader, we all know what happened.
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You should go back to school and take some history classes.
Also, Mr. Trump's mother was born in Scotland and his father was born in New York. So your point is ??
Also, Mr. Trump's mother was born in Scotland and his father was born in New York. So your point is ??
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To transport the 11 Million (or is it 20 Million?) undocumented we will use 220,000 buses (50 passengers per bus). Each bus uses six tires so some 1,320,000 tires will be needed (maybe twice that much to make sure we have enough spare tires). The tire manufacturers should start to produce that inventory right now. We can NOT leave any detail of this project unattended. No matter how minuscule a detail may look like now.
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iIt's not credibility folks. It's shining a light on your dark corner so you can't hide. Hate has no place in America.
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As long as CAIR, La Raza, and BLM exist, and have increasing clout in the US governments operations, the Alt Right will continue to grow. Simple human nature. Anyone who thinks any of this is going away is kidding themselves. Racialism will get more distinct as the US continues its decline into the third world.
Whites will be forced to tribe up. Those that don't will have no where else to go. They will face ever shrinking employment and social options as every other group shuns them.
The bottom line is that Europeans and European Americans deserve their own spaces and for their cultures to survive. We have made substantial contributions to humanity and we are not done yet. Your ridiculous feelings do not matter in that regard.
Whites will be forced to tribe up. Those that don't will have no where else to go. They will face ever shrinking employment and social options as every other group shuns them.
The bottom line is that Europeans and European Americans deserve their own spaces and for their cultures to survive. We have made substantial contributions to humanity and we are not done yet. Your ridiculous feelings do not matter in that regard.
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but your contemptible feelings do matter in this regard. We all contribute, all the members of this human family: united we stand, divided we fall.
Got it.
Got it.
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CAIR, La Raza, etc., are about promoting positive aspects of their groups, groups that have been historically under represented. White supremacists (otherwise known as the alt-right) support suppression of others. People of European ancestry have plenty of their own spaces and culture and power. It's called the entire world.
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"Whites will be forced to tribe up. Those that don't will have no where else to go. They will face ever shrinking employment and social options as every other group shuns them."
Where do you get this stuff? BLM wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the racist cops. The whole country, including white people, will be shunning the racists, which will be the ones "tribing up". That is, the ones that are left. The old, Republican racists whites are dying off.
Where do you get this stuff? BLM wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the racist cops. The whole country, including white people, will be shunning the racists, which will be the ones "tribing up". That is, the ones that are left. The old, Republican racists whites are dying off.
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As Trump moderates his statements and positions, notably refraining from attacking Mother Teresa as a harlot, Mrs. Clinton is left with fewer and fewer things to attack him on OTHER than indirectly for his imagined associations.
Well, ideological warfare ain't beanbag.
But as OTHER issues escalate, such as EmailGate and the prospect of Vladimir Putin dropping 33,000 OTHER shoes in a few weeks through WikiWhatever, it’s unfortunate that pressure abates to seriously look at the actionability of the tax, regulation and other policy offerings offered by Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren that she’s recently embraced. Trump should be focusing on this, because a serious review of these policies could undermine her faster and more legitimately than EmailGate.
This attempt of hers appears to have backfired, and offered a distraction that failed to distract. As a matter of fact, it calls her judgment into question reminiscent of Libya and suggests a level of desperation to demonize Trump that can’t help but energize the man and his supporters.
Almost all of us, even on the right, don’t subscribe to the convictions of the “alt-righters”, I’m sure including Donald Trump. But Hillary should consider how she expresses her desperation lest she fill extremist coffers inadvertently.
Well, ideological warfare ain't beanbag.
But as OTHER issues escalate, such as EmailGate and the prospect of Vladimir Putin dropping 33,000 OTHER shoes in a few weeks through WikiWhatever, it’s unfortunate that pressure abates to seriously look at the actionability of the tax, regulation and other policy offerings offered by Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren that she’s recently embraced. Trump should be focusing on this, because a serious review of these policies could undermine her faster and more legitimately than EmailGate.
This attempt of hers appears to have backfired, and offered a distraction that failed to distract. As a matter of fact, it calls her judgment into question reminiscent of Libya and suggests a level of desperation to demonize Trump that can’t help but energize the man and his supporters.
Almost all of us, even on the right, don’t subscribe to the convictions of the “alt-righters”, I’m sure including Donald Trump. But Hillary should consider how she expresses her desperation lest she fill extremist coffers inadvertently.
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I am sure with a new round of devastating polls coming up soon Donald J Trump will fire, once more, the current top executives of his campaign. So make sure you have a freshly dry-cleaned business suit (maybe two or three would even be better) and a good number of Trump's shirts and ties because you maybe the next CEO of the Trump campaign! And if that materializes please accept my congratulations in advance. Thank you!
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Mother Teresa loves Donald J Trump! Donald J Trump loves Mother Teresa! Donald J Trump "hears" "things" from great people, very great people all the time. One of those great people, very great people is precisely Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa is the one that, from up there, told Donald J Trump to eat the Mexican taco on 5 de mayo and show it in a tweet!
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After four paragraphs of Clinton, Richard finally gets around to denouncing the white supremacists.
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Concerned that some disruption of the U.S. economy could be caused by the upcoming deportation of the 11 Million (or is it 20 Million?) undocumented Vladimir Putin has issued an Executive Order putting in motion the vetting of all able bodies from Chechnya and the creation of a register with the names, physical addresses, telephone numbers and email addresses of all those that are approved to be transferred to the U.S. to help in that emergency. At the same time Putin has sent a letter to Donald J Trump offering that magnanimous collaboration.
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When we deport the 11 Million (or is it 20 Million?) undocumented via our Southern border we may have a situation in which the Mexican government refuses entry to those who are not Mexican citizens. Therefore we need to have a Plan B for that. One solution could be to put those who are not Mexican citizens in cargo ships that will go around the globe dropping the non-Mexican undocumented in the respective port corresponding to their country of origin. Shipping lines should prepare now for that contingency and purchase more ships. We can not allow any mistake, no matter how minor, in this very important project.
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Your concerns regarding this very important project are appreciated, as are your suggestions. Please continue to comment. Your notes made my day.
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Life expectancy for females is 81.2 years; for males, it's 76.4 years. Donald Trump is 69 years old. Hillary is only 68 years old. If Hillary is to play the "woman card"...play this one. Statistically Hillary will outlive the Drumpf by many years. Also, Hillary’s mother lived till she was 92 so she has strong family linage. Now put into the equation that Hillary Clinton can also play the “most experienced” card and is well versed in the realm of politics at the State, Congressional, Presidential, and International levels. She is the most experienced politician running in the presidential race. She has more political experience than any previous presidential forerunner. As a person, Hillary knows what it is like to grow up poor, work her way up, and break through many glass ceilings. She has a connection to not just the super-rich but also to the middle class and the poor. Hillary has the view of being able to look back at what is needed and the ability to see forward to the true environment at what is in front of her.
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She also, is known as the crooked, lying, thief. So take that to the bank.
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Morris didn't you comment on my string earlier repeating the same old rhetoric pumped out by Fox news? The bank problem would be caused by Bush that deregulated the banks, led to the world economic collapse.
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This is what speaking softly and carrying a big stick looks like. It is also what a Commander In Chief looks like.
To ignore and not comment on the depths that her opponent has sunk in surrounding himself with such shadowy characters -- of all stripes -- would have been irresponsible. And she did it with cool and calm stateswomanlike dignity, courage, confidence and strength. Hillary Clinton will be a President and Commander In Chief with which to reckon, whether we are talking about those in Congress or those in the desserts and mountains on the other side of the world.
To ignore and not comment on the depths that her opponent has sunk in surrounding himself with such shadowy characters -- of all stripes -- would have been irresponsible. And she did it with cool and calm stateswomanlike dignity, courage, confidence and strength. Hillary Clinton will be a President and Commander In Chief with which to reckon, whether we are talking about those in Congress or those in the desserts and mountains on the other side of the world.
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I've got my glasses on, and I am a Harvard grad so I know I am reading your comment correctly.
Is this an Obama/Hillary supporter preaching to Republicans about shadowy characters? Isn't that like Kanye West lecturing on restraint and class? Or OJ lecturing on anger management?
The FBI has Hillary Clinton under a criminal investigation.
DNC emails show Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Hillary Clinton, the Obama WH and the press conspired to rig the entire 2016 Democratic primary to cheat Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.
There's nearly $150 million dollars in cash payments from terrorist sponsoring nations and dictatorships floating around in Clinton cash.
Today we learn Hillary intentionally used Bleachbit software to delete email messages the FBI wanted before they could get them.
Shadowy figures?
And oh yeah, in 2008, Hillary was the racist.
Is this an Obama/Hillary supporter preaching to Republicans about shadowy characters? Isn't that like Kanye West lecturing on restraint and class? Or OJ lecturing on anger management?
The FBI has Hillary Clinton under a criminal investigation.
DNC emails show Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Hillary Clinton, the Obama WH and the press conspired to rig the entire 2016 Democratic primary to cheat Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.
There's nearly $150 million dollars in cash payments from terrorist sponsoring nations and dictatorships floating around in Clinton cash.
Today we learn Hillary intentionally used Bleachbit software to delete email messages the FBI wanted before they could get them.
Shadowy figures?
And oh yeah, in 2008, Hillary was the racist.
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Wow you really have the Whine Line open. Harvard and you come up with some weak tea about "rig the entire Democratic primary" yadda yadda?? Oh Lordy.
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Wow and he didn't mention he's a Black lawyer....again.
LIke that's some free-pass to continually insult President Obama.
It's always the same with this one.
LIke that's some free-pass to continually insult President Obama.
It's always the same with this one.
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In order to make the deportation of the 11 Million (or is it 20 Million?) undocumented a real success it is necessary to make sure that they do not escape after they are rounded up. Therefore we will need to chain them, all of them. If two feet of chain are needed for each undocumented then we need some 22 Million feet of chain which is equal to more that 4,600 Miles of chain. The chain manufacturing industry needs to start working 24 hours a day, seven days a week including 4 of July, Thanksgiving and Christmas to make sure that have ready soon the 5,000 Miles of chain needed to prevent the undocumented escape.
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The comments so far on Hillary's speech are debating whether or not she should have taken on this issue. I think it probably was smart to do so. But Mr. Trump and his campaign are in such a downward spiral that maybe it's time to start to limit the attacks on Trump to the really bad stuff, and instead kind of have Hillary assume that her presidency has already begun and begin focusing most of her time on what we need to do as a country. (Hint: quit talking about how things are better than ever.) Among other things this would be effective in winning over the few remaining undecided voters, who I can't believe at this point are going to be won over by being told more about how awful Trump is.
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His numbers are steadily trending upwards, even in battleground states, in many place surpassing Hillary's, whose trend is downwards.
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@hodge.
"Trending"-- that's the key word here.
Guess what? Means nothing.....trends don't last long.
"Trending"-- that's the key word here.
Guess what? Means nothing.....trends don't last long.
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Here is the choice in a nutshell - with Donald Trump what you see is what you get - bombastic, obnoxious, over simplified but, maybe, as a highly accomplished businessman the requisite skills, intelligence, and savvy to govern effectively. With Hillary Clinton there appears no limit to her deceit, no respect for law, and a life in politics that has left her utterly devoid of any original, genuine opinions and feelings. But, she talks and walks like a President. So the choice is between an unpolished Queens businessman or a highly polished political robot. God help us!
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Nothing about Donald Trump indicates he can govern effectively.
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Really.... a multi-billion dollar business, run over decades, requiring stellar executive skills? (Nit-picking "naysayers" to the contrary notwithstanding.)
Compare that record, for example, to one of the darlings of corporatism (the sleazy intersection of rent-seeking crony capitalists and government functionaries) Solyndra, beloved by those titans of business acumen, Obama and Hillary.
Compare that record, for example, to one of the darlings of corporatism (the sleazy intersection of rent-seeking crony capitalists and government functionaries) Solyndra, beloved by those titans of business acumen, Obama and Hillary.
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@AC Three things: the business he built; his family and great kids; and the fact that he won the nomination of a major party at his first try, with the smallest budget, beating 17 politicians, when he is new to all that. (Hillary won the nomination at her second try, with 1 billion marketing budget, with massive rigging help from the DNC, Bill, the former President, and Obama, the current president, almost ALL mainstream media, and she barely beat (cheated) 1 candidate: Bernie Sanders.
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Simple logic is lost on liberals.
Clinton is a liar. But that doesn't mean that people who support her are liars.
So even if Trump is a racist, that doesn't make all his supporters racists.
Clinton is a liar. But that doesn't mean that people who support her are liars.
So even if Trump is a racist, that doesn't make all his supporters racists.
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What logic do you employ when you decide to vote for Trump? That being a racist is better than being a liar? Even when the racist is also a liar? What does that say about you?
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Yes, but as they say "Not all Republicans are racists, but show me a racist and I`ll show you a Republican".
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Just because Trump is a narcissist it does not follow that all of his supporters are narcissists. Like dishonesty, narcissism is a personal characteristic, not a belief system. But racism is a system of beliefs, attitudes and values. So I'm afraid it does follow that if Trump's views are racist then those who agree with him are likely to be racist too.
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Is anyone else embarrassed and mortified that in the USA one major party nominee was compelled to deliver a speech like this about the other nominee? I feel like I'm in an alt Universe.
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Tell it like it is. Why be embarrass?
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There is zero middle ground between the right and the left in this country, and we need to stop trying to find it. There is no middle ground between people who love a multi-racial society, and those whose vision of America is white and (nominally) Christian (Christian my left foot). There is no middle ground between people who think good government is one of the greatest institutions ever created and the hallmark of civilization, and those who think government is the enemy. There is no middle ground between those who believe that keeping automatic weapons out of the hands of citizens is a good idea and those whose fantasy vision of existence involves everyone walking around with an AK 47 strapped to their waist, shooting it out when necessary.
I was so disappointed when Obama (who I voted for twice) kept emphasizing compromise, middle ground, etc. That's just a recipe for stalemate (as we saw). When the Democrats win big in November (assuming people bother showing up to the polls), could they please, please, please rush like heck during the first two years to enact major progressive change? Two years is all we'll have, of course.
If the words "compromise" and "middle ground" come out of Hillary's mouth after the election, I might just go screaming mad.
I was so disappointed when Obama (who I voted for twice) kept emphasizing compromise, middle ground, etc. That's just a recipe for stalemate (as we saw). When the Democrats win big in November (assuming people bother showing up to the polls), could they please, please, please rush like heck during the first two years to enact major progressive change? Two years is all we'll have, of course.
If the words "compromise" and "middle ground" come out of Hillary's mouth after the election, I might just go screaming mad.
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You're right. Hopefully the country will break up peacefully.
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We don't need to give up at midterms. We can go on voting, remembering what a lousy idea it is to give in to people who don't care about most of our citizens, only themselves and their rich funders, the Kochtopus, McConnell, Ryan, Pence, and all. Enough with the perfectionbusters, vote midterms too!
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This coming holiday season I am visiting friends in Germany; in preparation for my first trip there, I am doing research on what remains of the architecture of old Berlin, most of which was obliterated in WWII.
I have viewed many old newsreels showing the rise of Hitler. Of course, as a middle-aged person, I have seen them before. But what was so distressing were the similarities to today. The crowd's adoration, it's sworn allegiance, and the justified racism (that was, until it was too late, ignored), was striking when compared to some of the Trump events this past year.
All hyperbole aside, viewing these newsreels from a 21st century perspective is chilling. Those who say "It could never happen again, and certainly not in America" need to do a little research of their own.
I have viewed many old newsreels showing the rise of Hitler. Of course, as a middle-aged person, I have seen them before. But what was so distressing were the similarities to today. The crowd's adoration, it's sworn allegiance, and the justified racism (that was, until it was too late, ignored), was striking when compared to some of the Trump events this past year.
All hyperbole aside, viewing these newsreels from a 21st century perspective is chilling. Those who say "It could never happen again, and certainly not in America" need to do a little research of their own.
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I completely agree. I just finished "1924" about Hitler's first appearance on the national stage in Germany, the same year he was jailed for leading the "beerhall putsch" in Munich and wrote Mein Kampf. The book contained countless excerpts from letters, newspapers, and the Nuremberg trials that showed the emotional state of a good part of the population. I too am old enough to be familiar with all this history for decades, but it resonates horribly for the first time...now.
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Don't be afraid of the alt right "white supremacist" movement. Everyone else--just stand your ground. The demographic numbers of increasing "non-supremacists" are overshadowing the bigots, now, and forevermore. There will always be the fringe of any ideology. "Others," stand your ground--increase your numbers--have confidence.
But also pray to whomever gods you believe in for Donald trump. As perverse as his candidacy is, and change is sometimes difficult, he is the gift that keeps giving to the democratic party. He has single-handedly blown up the Republican party brand as it has been known. It will take years of introspection on the remnants part to regroup in a civilized way. In the meantime, he will get a Trump TV network, write the second most popular book in history about how he "inadvertantly" rescued the country from the obstreperous right; and also about how he accomplished what he did for the country; and the family kids will all live happily ever after marketing his "Howard Beal" phony bile to the 30mil plus Trump supporters who feel dejected, but are the real loosers.
Thank you, Mr. Trump
But also pray to whomever gods you believe in for Donald trump. As perverse as his candidacy is, and change is sometimes difficult, he is the gift that keeps giving to the democratic party. He has single-handedly blown up the Republican party brand as it has been known. It will take years of introspection on the remnants part to regroup in a civilized way. In the meantime, he will get a Trump TV network, write the second most popular book in history about how he "inadvertantly" rescued the country from the obstreperous right; and also about how he accomplished what he did for the country; and the family kids will all live happily ever after marketing his "Howard Beal" phony bile to the 30mil plus Trump supporters who feel dejected, but are the real loosers.
Thank you, Mr. Trump
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The Middle East is crumbling before our very eyes, and there are serious issues threatening political stability elsewhere. Syria is a humanitarian catastrophe, a vicious civil war that has drawn in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, the United States, and now Turkey's ground forces. Yemen is getting pounded by the Saudi aIr force, which we sold them. We are still engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia keeps threatening an invasion of Ukraine and has already annexed Crimea. Iranian fast attack boats are harassing our Navy ships in the Straits of Hormuz. North Korea is launching a ballistic missiles from submarines. China is expanding its territory (it claims) into the South China Sea. Mrs. Clinton would do better to lean on her extensive experience in foreign affairs to address issues that are threatening world peace.
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Her extensive experience includes having destroyed Libya and allowed ISIS to increase their range in that region. Over 1 million displaced people from Libya fled or be killed, seeking shelter in Italy.
But your media doesn't report that.
But your media doesn't report that.
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The vast majority of middle Americans have no idea how extreme these folks are...and while pulling back the rock will give a few the chance to join them, most will be shocked this is part of our country. And it need to be well doused will disinfectant. It'd beyond sickening, it is borderline criminal.
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The alt-right. My parent's generation fought a bloody war to stop ideas like these. Let's not allow them a foothold on this continent. We never did before.
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If the members of the "alt-Right" are supposed to be prime examples of purebred white people, then I say we need some more race-mixing.
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Best comment of the day. Thank you.
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Exactly. My favorite line from the movie Bulworth: "Everybody just gotta keep f-in everybody til they're all the same color."
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I hardly think one speech is going to galvanize this thankfully small, lunatic fringe. And I don't expect Hillary will repeat it. She's too smart. She said it, it's had its impact, and she will just let it sit out there.
To claim this is somehow going to strengthen the movement is a overblown. Bringing these cockroaches out into the light to show their true nature can only sicken and fill with revulsion any person of good will.
To claim this is somehow going to strengthen the movement is a overblown. Bringing these cockroaches out into the light to show their true nature can only sicken and fill with revulsion any person of good will.
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Yours is the umpteenth comment here comparing those revolting Alt-Rights to cockroaches. Many fine cockroach species who live in the rain forests get along splendidly with other cockroaches. They pay their taxes in full (instead of 17 cents on the dollar thanks to a certain New Jersey governor), and they do not, repeat NOT, declare multiple bankruptcies that leave their investors high and dry.
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Truthfully, such comparisons give cockroaches a bad name.
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'ALT-RIGHT', sounds like a new keystrole command on the computer keyboard! Never heard this term before, it sounds like the marketing machine of a clever writer.
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Alt-Right, BLM may never break bread together, but many of their members struggling economically should form an alliance fighting for guaranteed income.
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This is a speech that is needed. To call out Trump and his supporters. The reality across the US schools are now having to contend with hate speech and hate attacks at levels never seen before as a result of one man. Trump.
There is no longer a middle ground. The impact this man is having on this nation and around the world is vile. It should not be tolerated and it should be called what it is.
To say nothing or let it slide as just Trump being Trump, or that we should just ignore it and talk about other things is in itself giving it legitimacy.
You Trump and all those who support you should not be tolerated because it is vile. And your actions and talk are allowing even kids to say and do things that should be abhorrent to us all.
There is no longer a middle ground. The impact this man is having on this nation and around the world is vile. It should not be tolerated and it should be called what it is.
To say nothing or let it slide as just Trump being Trump, or that we should just ignore it and talk about other things is in itself giving it legitimacy.
You Trump and all those who support you should not be tolerated because it is vile. And your actions and talk are allowing even kids to say and do things that should be abhorrent to us all.
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We'll see how thrilled the alt-right is come November once the Clinton political kill machine has destroyed Trump and the GOP majorities. Trump actually hired the Breitbart racist blog boss to run his campaign. This is the final insult to America. Voters will not go along with this. Trump has dug too deep a hole in the primary and Hills is now reveling in pointing out the filth and lies and flip-flops. Trump dug to deep a hole. He may try to stop digging, but too late; The Dems are going to collapse the walls and bury the cretin.
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You hope.
The Clinton campaign believes that this line of attack will get at DT's weakness.
But they are also spotlighting the racist 'alt right' that very few folks know of and giving them free publicity.
Win at any cost? I am dismayed
But they are also spotlighting the racist 'alt right' that very few folks know of and giving them free publicity.
Win at any cost? I am dismayed
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You are dismayed that Clinton has outed the rascists trolls giving infastructure to donald's campaign? I am relieved that it is finally happening
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The alt-right has no real motive. They believe western civilization will end when white people are minorities. That's why they don't care. Go on the boards, it's all nihilistic celebration of the end of civilization. there is no reason to be afraid of them. They already know they lost and just get excitement from "happenings".
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Have you ever noticed that the people who cling most desperately to American greatness are rarely (and by that I mean extremely rarely) the ones who contributed to that greatness?
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Going at a candidate based on who supports him or her is a sign of desperation.
It's also unbalanced. For instance, the worst criminals in the nation favor Hillary Clinton, since she raised their hopes of escaping punishment after committing the deed, as she escaped.
But Trump does not stoop as low as to keep pointing out such facts all the time, as Clinton does.
It's also unbalanced. For instance, the worst criminals in the nation favor Hillary Clinton, since she raised their hopes of escaping punishment after committing the deed, as she escaped.
But Trump does not stoop as low as to keep pointing out such facts all the time, as Clinton does.
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Trump doesn't stoop low? Wow, that's delusional. Where have you been?
"a High-Decibel Narcissist":
To read about Trump is "to be plunged into a kind of Bizarro World version of Dante’s “Inferno,” where arrogance, acquisitiveness and the sowing of discord are not sins, but attributes of leadership; a place where lies, contradictions and outrageous remarks spring up in such thickets that the sort of moral exhaustion associated with bad soap operas quickly threatens to ensue."
(Michiko Kakutani: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/books/in-books-on-donald-trump-consist...
"a High-Decibel Narcissist":
To read about Trump is "to be plunged into a kind of Bizarro World version of Dante’s “Inferno,” where arrogance, acquisitiveness and the sowing of discord are not sins, but attributes of leadership; a place where lies, contradictions and outrageous remarks spring up in such thickets that the sort of moral exhaustion associated with bad soap operas quickly threatens to ensue."
(Michiko Kakutani: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/books/in-books-on-donald-trump-consist...
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She's not going after him simply because these people support him. That's too simplistic. She's pointing out that this hateful rhetoric coming from a major-party presidential candidate is a move toward mainstreaming these vile ideas. And it is a warning that elected this buffoon president would intensify this effect.
It's a fair warning about a real danger. These supremacists themselves have crowed repeatedly at how their ideas are moving into the mainstream. It's disgusting and terrifying and I thank Hillary for making it an issue.
It's a fair warning about a real danger. These supremacists themselves have crowed repeatedly at how their ideas are moving into the mainstream. It's disgusting and terrifying and I thank Hillary for making it an issue.
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Healthful debate is appreciated here, but your blatant lies. out of place. Take it to breitbart, where you both belong.
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And did you all see that Brexit "loser" Nigel Farage is over here campaigning for Trump? Birds of a feather flock together. It seems Farage was actually a delegate to the EU, and of course he lied the UK into voting against their own interest, as many of them realized the day after.
Don't you be a "loser" and vote for a gambling promoter who wants to take you to the cleaners too. Trump is good at stiffing working stiffs, and he only cares about his gold encrusted possessions. If you want more broken, he's your man.
Don't you be a "loser" and vote for a gambling promoter who wants to take you to the cleaners too. Trump is good at stiffing working stiffs, and he only cares about his gold encrusted possessions. If you want more broken, he's your man.
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Trump has a gift for picking allies and managers that he then has to fire. He will fire the alt-right too.
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Clinton doesn't have solutions so she is attacking Trump. Additionally her attacks are bigoted. She is accusing all whites who prefer Trump of being racists. With Clinton and Trump there are not solutions and no middle ground.
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Trump has been very open with his bigotry and racism. His crowds, almost one hundred percent white, yell loudly their support....I'm sorry that facts offend you.
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and here we go again. that whole being ironic by hijacking terms isn't working for alt-right.
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Should he be elected, I wonder if Mr. Trump will move to demolish the Statue of Liberty which, apparently, symbolizes the opposite of his intentions:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
does symbolize apparently the opposite of his intentions
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
does symbolize apparently the opposite of his intentions
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The Statue of Liberty symbolizes the America's freedom. It was a gift from France.
The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty should have never been placed there. It has not connection to the Statue of Liberty.
The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty should have never been placed there. It has not connection to the Statue of Liberty.
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You, sir, are a fool. The Statue of Liberty was placed on Liberty Island about one-half mile away from Ellis Island. Ships bringing immigrants to New York City passed Liberty on their way to Ellis Island, where over ten million immigrants entered the United States beginning in the mid-1860s. The 'plaque' was placed there in the early 1900s in acknowledgment of the symbolic value of the statute for the millions of immigrants who came into the harbor during the 1800s and it was perfectly appropriate to the role Ellis Island played as a portal for immigrants during the early to mid 20th century.
I'd even make a wild guess that Mr. Drumpf's immigrant parents sailed by Ms. Liberty on their way to Ellis Island, when they were fortunate enough to be allowed entry to this country, despite the fact they came from Germany - an enemy nation at war with the U.S. during much of the 20th century, an enemy far more brutal and a far greater threat to the continued existence of Western civilization as we know it than any other in modern times.
But then you right wing tin foil hat conspiracy theory extremists never could stomach facts.
I'd even make a wild guess that Mr. Drumpf's immigrant parents sailed by Ms. Liberty on their way to Ellis Island, when they were fortunate enough to be allowed entry to this country, despite the fact they came from Germany - an enemy nation at war with the U.S. during much of the 20th century, an enemy far more brutal and a far greater threat to the continued existence of Western civilization as we know it than any other in modern times.
But then you right wing tin foil hat conspiracy theory extremists never could stomach facts.
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What the everloving f are you talking about, Outiside?
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Time to hit the ctrl-alt-delete button on these so-called alt-right racist thugs.
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"Alt-right" makes them sound too legitimate and innocuous, but we all know what they are...fascists-in-waiting. Too bad they're the ones with the guns.
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The most frightening thing is that they will still be there pushing their toxicity after the election.
At least they are now in the open air for all to see!
At least they are now in the open air for all to see!
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"The alt-right claims to support the preservation of white culture in the United States, and many of its members want to see an overhaul of the entire political system. However, its views are widely seen as white supremacist and anti-Semitic."
That's it. I'm convinced Donald Trump does not want to win. How does it help to align himself with the likes of Steve Bannon? Trump has already secured the angry white vote. I understand the hiring of Kellyanne Conway, but it must be very frustrating for Ms Conway, having to swat away criticism of the alt-right using Trump's campaign to forward its racist agenda. What a mess.
That's it. I'm convinced Donald Trump does not want to win. How does it help to align himself with the likes of Steve Bannon? Trump has already secured the angry white vote. I understand the hiring of Kellyanne Conway, but it must be very frustrating for Ms Conway, having to swat away criticism of the alt-right using Trump's campaign to forward its racist agenda. What a mess.
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The sudden onslaught in print, cyber, and broadcast media from the Democrat aviary of "racist Trump!" and variants shows that the prior incarnation, "Russian agent Trump!", has lost all motive power. Only the fire down by Santa Barbara can blow more smoke than Democrats on a tear as the Clintons keep dropping more shoes, requiring maxi obfuscations.
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This is what the 2016 presidential have come to. Two white people arguing about who is the bigger racist. How soon we forget, the 2008 presidential campaign the dog whistle Hillary and her husband was doing trying to under-cut Obama presidential prospect because he was black. listening to her tirade, and remembering what she was saying back then. Shaking her head and saying things like, I am so sorry for the people who is voting for Obama, they are making this big mistake, now she is willing to capitalize on his good works and poll numbers. Bill Clinton remarks. This guy Obama I can remember when he would be bringing us coffee. Now Hillary is this big abolitionist. The whole thing is silly, even some blacks are racist towards they own people. In the Hispanic culture the same racist crap against their own. This is the silly season. To be honest, Donald Trump has been on TV for years and you have never heard of him being a racist as a matter of fact, I think Donald Trump, because of his business dealings and hiring of all kinds of people, has been around more people of color and different nationalities more than President Obama and the Clinton. I would not vote for any of them. Hillary Clinton is a crook, have no business running for POTUS and Donald Trump might get rid of Obamacare. I can hear the mantra, then you might elect Trump. Really? If only three people show up to vote for any of the above the supreme court is set up to take care of that.
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Thoroughly agree. Decided today I find both tedious. Wishing it were November, after which time, I hope and pray, there will be a great shutting up and, I also hope and pray, one or the other will busy him or herself getting ready to actually do the job.
Likely this is far, far too much to hope for.
Likely this is far, far too much to hope for.
Poor syntax, but from what I can tell you missed that whole Trump et al getting nailed for racist handling of employees and clients in their rental property.
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Maybe you need to do some research to get in touch with FACTS! Until then, you may want to avoid posting assumptions. You are aware of what is said about one who assumes, aren't you?
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Alt/right is same people as tea party. Just more honest about their views and motives. Like Trump, they use a whistle instead of a dog whistle. ...always racist...And antisemitic.
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What makes me most angry about the racist Trump scapegoaters...if they weren't racist scapegoaters most of them would be Democrats that would have voted for Bernie Sanders...and rather than being on our way to another 4 or 8 years of corporate establishment Democratic Party mediocrity semi obstructed by Republicans - and protecting the wealth of millionaires and billionaires at all costs - we'd be on our way to having a truly progressive president, with perhaps a far more progressive House and Senate, that might actually break the gridlock and create some laws that might actually start to solve some of the major problems facing the American people.
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Nope. Time to realize that Bernie had some great ideas, oversimplified but impractical, and lost the election (see Snopes for answers to some of those conspiracy theories). We need him inside, not outside, and that's where he will be.
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"racist scapegoate" is right out of the alt-right echo chambers this pm. The term doesn't make any sense there, either
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Susan Anderson I don't know why you are citing Snopes. I said that if anti establishment Trump supporters were not racist scapegoaters they would have most likely been anti establishment anti status quo Bernie voters. You can't look to Snopes to disprove that because it's a hypothetical..based on Trump supporters not blaming our problems on Mexicans, blacks and Muslims.
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Compared to the non-stop low-brain we get from the alt-ers, I'll take "low-energy" every time ... alt for 'all-time low trolls"?
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Reality check the show must go on . old saying beleive only what you see . Words can be misleading for reasons who have own agenda. Votoers seem to be whats on menu today more disgusted they become lest likly they will vote for any one. An alot easyer it will be for current canidates to get into office
alt-right?
how about CTRL-ALT-DELETE the whole election season?
how about CTRL-ALT-DELETE the whole election season?
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CTRL ALT DELETE is used for logging in
It's more appropriately described as interrupting a function, Elizabeth. I think it works
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What a choice we have been given. First we have a man uho seems to be mentally unstable. Ouch. OTOH we have a liar and a near felon with many e mails still to come who sold her office to the highest bidder. Either we, we all lose.
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When you repeat Republican lies about Clinton, the person who is bought and paid for is you. Open your mind and look around.
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Saudi Arabia donated $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. I salute them for their support of gender issues and other progressive causes
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Alt-Right? Wait, a name comes to mind... Sarah Palin, is that you in the mist? Well, at least the BBC is reporting that she is warning (read: berating) Donald Trump not to change his positions on immigration.
Funny. No, not funny, more like "strange", since she is supposed to be a Trump surrogate. I admit that - being German - I might not fully get what that means, but it surely can't mean criticizing the candidate, right? Alt-Right!
So the thought has struck me that - sensing weakness - the "Godzilla of Wasilla", the "Pitbull with Lipstick", might try to shove Mr. Trump out of the race. What a concept! Two women running against each other for the Presidency! Mind. Blown.
And then a second thought struck me: this is all way too good to be true for the Democrats! Senator John McCain was SUNK by this woman after she gave a simple interview to Kathy Couric. How much could she damage the GOP (House, Senate, future presidential elections) if she were at the top of the ticket?
And now, the grand finale: the third (not THAT outlandish!) thought revolved around the possibility that Mr. Trump is a paid operative of the Democratic party. If that was true he would now start a Twitter-fight with Palin, let her bitterly divide the Alt-Right between them, finally bow out of the race (better than losing) and thereby give Hillary Clinton a margin of victory not seen since Ronald Reagan.
You read it here first...
Funny. No, not funny, more like "strange", since she is supposed to be a Trump surrogate. I admit that - being German - I might not fully get what that means, but it surely can't mean criticizing the candidate, right? Alt-Right!
So the thought has struck me that - sensing weakness - the "Godzilla of Wasilla", the "Pitbull with Lipstick", might try to shove Mr. Trump out of the race. What a concept! Two women running against each other for the Presidency! Mind. Blown.
And then a second thought struck me: this is all way too good to be true for the Democrats! Senator John McCain was SUNK by this woman after she gave a simple interview to Kathy Couric. How much could she damage the GOP (House, Senate, future presidential elections) if she were at the top of the ticket?
And now, the grand finale: the third (not THAT outlandish!) thought revolved around the possibility that Mr. Trump is a paid operative of the Democratic party. If that was true he would now start a Twitter-fight with Palin, let her bitterly divide the Alt-Right between them, finally bow out of the race (better than losing) and thereby give Hillary Clinton a margin of victory not seen since Ronald Reagan.
You read it here first...
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Let the alt-right gloat and let the voters know exactly who they are supporting when they support Trump. And let the public know that these are the people that are the political bedfellows of Pence, Ryan, and McCain and other so-called reasonable Republicans.
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Alt-Right?
Perhaps the name changed to protect the guilty.
David Duke is the clue.
Perhaps the name changed to protect the guilty.
David Duke is the clue.
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2016: Alt-right.
2008: Blue collar and rural White Hillary Clinton supporters.
#YouSayTomato
#ISayAltRightTomato
2008: Blue collar and rural White Hillary Clinton supporters.
#YouSayTomato
#ISayAltRightTomato
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The alt-right has never supported democrats, DC. These are just Rush Limbaugh supporters under a new name. But good try.
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There's a difference between the "alt-right" and "multiculturalism uber alles"? Each, it seems, is a form of social tyranny. One, the latter, is advocated by the current political ruling class and its concomitant self-serving New York City media central, the other by a far, far smaller group of individuals with far, far less money and corporate sponsorship. So which is the greater threat to the polis?
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"Multiculturism uber alles"-- you really have no sense of irony, do you?
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In that you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant (excepting Alice), I will bet she does.
Seems Alice has a biting sense of humor--though a bit too cynical for my "taste".
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I wonder if the "Alt-Right" realizes that the term for them is a politically correct term for "bigot" or "racist". Do they still abhor "politically correct" speech?
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Until today, 80% of the voting public wondered what "Alt-right" was.
By next week, nobody will remember.
By next week, nobody will remember.
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I looked up Bannon when he was hired, so knew the term and was disgusted by it and what it stands for last week, and will never forget it.
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And isn't it great that Hillary exposed them, DC? Why would you want them in your party?
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All right or all left philosophies and people, Hillary could benefit from some conservatives that are not content with Trump like Romney however, that is not enough to win elections. So Hillary can pitch to them while trump is pitching to many all left including those Senders still resentful of the Clinton machine of throwing under the bus Sanders advocated policies of keeping jobs here or helping the lower class with more jobs. This conversation about classes and races is splinting downhill wrongly, we do not need this show. What we need is how Hillary and Trump will help the average worker get more benefit at the job or keep the job here policy for a better America and help the average citizen maintain his health care coverage and not have to pay another bill for having to go for a doctor checkups. We would appreciate if the main conversations were related to these issues.
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I think I'm being quite fair and honest when I say, the men that denigrate and hate Hillary Clinton, a truly good human being, is a potential wife beater.
This election is between WAR and PEACE, Trump and Clinton. Trump is the educated warrior who is proud of his boldness and confronts the innocent, while Hillary Clinton is practiced in the art of Diplomacy while being strong enough to know when force is necessary.
This election is between WAR and PEACE, Trump and Clinton. Trump is the educated warrior who is proud of his boldness and confronts the innocent, while Hillary Clinton is practiced in the art of Diplomacy while being strong enough to know when force is necessary.
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What world are you living in? Have you been paying attention to the mess that Clinton has left in the Middle East?
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Yeah, like when to protect diplomats at a US embassy in Libya.
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Chaffetz, the guy promoting the Clinton email persecution with right-wing Judicial Watch, voted with fellow Republicans to defund security for embassies. Interesting that you blame Clinton.
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Remember, the Clintons are long time career politicians. They both know Racism is deep rooted, and isn't going away, just because your a Democrat that manages the Welfare Model. Very smart politics on her part. Millions of Americans are simply tired of hearing about it.
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Anyone supporting Hillary Clinton is supporting a criminal who exemplifies the worst America has to offer. If elected, she will be immediately removed from office for committing high crimes. America deserves to spared another embarrassment.
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Thanks for the laugh.
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She won't be removed because you need two thirds of the senate to do that and the democrats will block it no matter how criminal she is proven to be.
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I would certainly label Trump's efforts over the last 4 decades to keep people of color out of his properties as "high crimes." Just like egging on his supporters to beat up black protesters at his rallies. Or using products and labor that were not "made in America" for his businesses and then getting filthy rich on them. Or how about asking Russia to hack into our foreign intelligence data? How about those for "high crimes"?
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This is a war of ideas, no doubt. It is a big BIG deal. It should bother you because we are fighting for the soul of our nation: the character of its people now and in the future.
On the one hand are those who embrace reasonability, who work towards a more perfect union by solving problems and helping each other out, who give their children the chance to achieve their utmost potential, and live in a world of equality and opportunity.
On the other hand are those that want to break society, who eschew equality, who hate the progress America has made and its increasing diversity, and who want to advance bigotry.
Let us pledge to never ever let this type of darkness take hold. Let us fight now to bury this hatred so far down that it never shows its ugly face again. Folks, America is an idea unlike any other in the world and must be protected at all costs. It must be! So let's fight to keep the idea alive.
We have to vote to not just elect Hillary as President. That is simply not enough. We need to nip this in the bud and remove the Republican party majority from both chambers as well. I am not opposed to having a healthy opposition, but the keyword is healthy. What we have now is a sick opposition which is sickening the rest of the country. Enough.
Let us resolve to work together and have a Democratic President and Congress and send a powerful message. Otherwise the old adage about evil prevailing when good folks do nothing will, I fear, come true.
On the one hand are those who embrace reasonability, who work towards a more perfect union by solving problems and helping each other out, who give their children the chance to achieve their utmost potential, and live in a world of equality and opportunity.
On the other hand are those that want to break society, who eschew equality, who hate the progress America has made and its increasing diversity, and who want to advance bigotry.
Let us pledge to never ever let this type of darkness take hold. Let us fight now to bury this hatred so far down that it never shows its ugly face again. Folks, America is an idea unlike any other in the world and must be protected at all costs. It must be! So let's fight to keep the idea alive.
We have to vote to not just elect Hillary as President. That is simply not enough. We need to nip this in the bud and remove the Republican party majority from both chambers as well. I am not opposed to having a healthy opposition, but the keyword is healthy. What we have now is a sick opposition which is sickening the rest of the country. Enough.
Let us resolve to work together and have a Democratic President and Congress and send a powerful message. Otherwise the old adage about evil prevailing when good folks do nothing will, I fear, come true.
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If your read these Alt-Right social media blurbs and did not see any photos of the "authors," how old would you think these guys are?
Seriously, these Alt-Right guys think and act like a bunch of bad boy middle school bullies, who are delighting themselves by showing off for each other. Thanks to the Internet, they have found each other as an audience and evidently have a sense of belonging.
The very thing you need to do with bullies is stand together and speak up as adults in order to reinforce the values of decency in the community.
I have met a number of older Germans and their offspring who feel guilty for not speaking up and out as the thugish, bullying fascism was taking over their country in the late 1920s and early 1930s.
I remain confident there are a lot more of us than the Trumpsters and Alt-Right, who do nothing but make noise and do harm. This is not who we are. As a political leader, Hillary had to speak up, not only for herself, but for the rest of us.
Seriously, these Alt-Right guys think and act like a bunch of bad boy middle school bullies, who are delighting themselves by showing off for each other. Thanks to the Internet, they have found each other as an audience and evidently have a sense of belonging.
The very thing you need to do with bullies is stand together and speak up as adults in order to reinforce the values of decency in the community.
I have met a number of older Germans and their offspring who feel guilty for not speaking up and out as the thugish, bullying fascism was taking over their country in the late 1920s and early 1930s.
I remain confident there are a lot more of us than the Trumpsters and Alt-Right, who do nothing but make noise and do harm. This is not who we are. As a political leader, Hillary had to speak up, not only for herself, but for the rest of us.
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"White culture"
Just what is that? Baccy chawing while listening to country music and watching NASCAR? A return to Puritan values? Hypocrisy taken to it's highest level?
I'm a white guy and don't have the slightest idea. And I'm not particularly interested. Think I'll go with GEORGE Clinton and "Paint the White House Black". While eating Korean tacos and drinking Mexican beer.
Just what is that? Baccy chawing while listening to country music and watching NASCAR? A return to Puritan values? Hypocrisy taken to it's highest level?
I'm a white guy and don't have the slightest idea. And I'm not particularly interested. Think I'll go with GEORGE Clinton and "Paint the White House Black". While eating Korean tacos and drinking Mexican beer.
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Life on the Frontier.
Call these racists out anytime and anywhere. Their ideas are unacceptable in a free and democratic society. That is why trump must be crushed. It dioes not matter if he is a racist because he has used racism and helped foment its rise is more than enough.
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This is exactly what should be done. Call them out for what they are - fringe extremists who coddle hate and tolerate deadly actions. I grew up in the 60s. The only way true evildoers were stopped and lessons learned was by calling a spade a spade. Mrs. Clinton is on the right side of history on this. Trump would be too bored to ever execute the office, and the net result would be to turn these idiots into sympathetic figures. Stop their march to the White House with every word and make sure everyone who can vote them out hears it.
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Secretary Clinton has done the American public a great service by exposing the fetid underbelly of the Trump campaign. UKIP and other far right European parties are no joke and have been responsible for numerous incidents of political violence. Trump is really Chauncey Gardiner with a megaphone, a bully cypher who can be easily influenced behind the scenes.. It important that we know who is doing the influencing.
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Times Editors - please don't sanitize these groups by characterizing them as "white nationalists". Please call them "racists" because that is what they are. Please don't promote the idea that "white culture" is something somehow in danger of being pushed out of existence by a wave of 'other cultures' that exist. The continuing trend is in the other direction. These groups are anti-democracy, anti-equality, and anti-tolerance. Please identify clearly and explicitly the core values and corrupt ideas they represent - racism, bigotry, intolerance, repression, and authoritarianism. The only benefit of exposing these groups, of bringing them out from under the rocks and dung heaps they normally frequent should be to expose and debunk their ideas, their vile values, and their dangerous activities. Thank you.
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How about an expose' about white supremacy groups in the country. Some. Have great arsenals and food supplies just waiting for their revolution. They all love Trump.
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The charge of racism has lost its sting because it has been used so many times. As for me, I'd just like to know what Democrat-inspired programs have worked, starting with the War on Poverty. I would switch parties if I could see that anything that they have done has produced real sustainable results.
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Seriously? Are you that confused? While not perfect Medicare and Social Security for starters have done pretty well for ALL Americans......
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Progressive and Democratic efforts have helped minorities increase numbers in local, state and federal legislative positions, police force, workplace, class rooms and in cultural venues where they were banned, ostracized and forbidden to participate.
It wasn't long ago that George Wallace fought to keep the south segregated, it wasn't long ago that we could not image a black president, CEO's...interracial marraiges, children, families and communities.
If we added up all the blood, sweat and tears; the lives, the countless injustices over 3 centuries that african americans endured and labor they provided--there is not one group that has given, or sacrificed, more for the birth and survival of this nation.
If you don't understand that...I wouldn't want your vote.
Oh, like all wars, the 'War on Poverty' never ends--there will always be poverty and those who give a hand up.
It wasn't long ago that George Wallace fought to keep the south segregated, it wasn't long ago that we could not image a black president, CEO's...interracial marraiges, children, families and communities.
If we added up all the blood, sweat and tears; the lives, the countless injustices over 3 centuries that african americans endured and labor they provided--there is not one group that has given, or sacrificed, more for the birth and survival of this nation.
If you don't understand that...I wouldn't want your vote.
Oh, like all wars, the 'War on Poverty' never ends--there will always be poverty and those who give a hand up.
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Democratic, get it right!
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When Trump hires Bannon of Breitbart, well known in right wing circles, it's reasonable to assume that he, Trump, agrees with what goes on over there. If he disagrees with some of it, such as the alt-ish stuff, he needs to say so. Otherwise he inherits the whole load. Of course, we can dig into the nature of that "whole load", but I suspect Trump really doesn't want to go there (for the uninitiated, try Google).
Anyway, Trump's been quiet on this specific matter so far, much like his income tax filings.
Anyway, Trump's been quiet on this specific matter so far, much like his income tax filings.
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Three cheers for Ms. Hillary.
In finally taking on the odious Trump and his odious alt-right followers the way they deserved to be taken on, she did something that none of the other Republican candidates for President had the guts or brains to do, let alone
Paul Ryan or Sen.McConnell.
Her speech augurs well for the future. It demonstrates conclusively for any remaining doubters that as President she won’t be taking any guff from Putin, Assad the Ayatollah or the alt-right, not that I have ever had any worries about her.
In finally taking on the odious Trump and his odious alt-right followers the way they deserved to be taken on, she did something that none of the other Republican candidates for President had the guts or brains to do, let alone
Paul Ryan or Sen.McConnell.
Her speech augurs well for the future. It demonstrates conclusively for any remaining doubters that as President she won’t be taking any guff from Putin, Assad the Ayatollah or the alt-right, not that I have ever had any worries about her.
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The alt-right --blithering-idiots is a more appropriate name for this collection of...blithering idiots-- must not be allowed to fester in the dark. Hillary's calling them out is the right thing to do. If they are so proud of their appellation, why aren't they putting up yard signs announcing their allegiance, or bumper stickers and window decals on their vehicles? They are afraid to, so they use alternative symbols; the Confederate flag probably the most common and conspicuous. I have never seen a straightforward or stylized KKK decorating a pickup or Harley. One wonders why. if they are so numerous and so proud, how come they aren't proselytizing to their family, neighbors and and strangers on street corners or Walmart parking lots? Supporting Trump is another safe avenue for venting their venom.
I would ask, too, how many of them are veterans of military service. Buying and instagramming pictures of yourself with your weapon of choice does not make you a super-patriot. One thing the military did not tolerate 48 years ago, when I entered the Army, was racial discrimination. The racism was there, of course, but, like the alt-right's pride in its idiocy, hidden and whispered among the like-minded, not openly and proudly.
The alt-right is the political equivalent of anaerobic life, thriving only in the absence of oxygen and light.
I would ask, too, how many of them are veterans of military service. Buying and instagramming pictures of yourself with your weapon of choice does not make you a super-patriot. One thing the military did not tolerate 48 years ago, when I entered the Army, was racial discrimination. The racism was there, of course, but, like the alt-right's pride in its idiocy, hidden and whispered among the like-minded, not openly and proudly.
The alt-right is the political equivalent of anaerobic life, thriving only in the absence of oxygen and light.
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Which is the lesser of two evils :
Trump's "Alt-Right" -- the fringe group is an irritant to our country.
Hillary's "Ctrl-Alt-Del" -- the NAFTA and TPP policies can shutdown our economy.
Trump's "Alt-Right" -- the fringe group is an irritant to our country.
Hillary's "Ctrl-Alt-Del" -- the NAFTA and TPP policies can shutdown our economy.
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NAFTA and TPP are not going to shut down the economy; however, curling up into a fetal position under covers pretending those jobs will come back magically if trade agreements didn't exist will shut down the economy.
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Totally false regarding NAFTA and TTP.
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The Alt-Right needs the press. Not many in America recognize a European Far Right segment which has been flying under the radar.
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What we can be assured of is Hillary's characterization of the alt right is full of lies. She is not exactly known for being truthful.
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Ah yes, when countering facts, ad hominem attacks usually work to bring people to your side of the argument. Given the side you are supporting, I think it would be helpful to you to let you know that an ad hominem attack is when you call someone names in an argument rather than making a salient point.
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Jacobi, you can do your own research on the alt-right. You don't have to take her word for it. She said nothing that is not easily verifiable.
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No, they're not lies. Too many of these folks are descendants of the Democratic Southerners and John Birchers of 50 years ago and are now Stormfront Republicans. Many, like the Bundy family, buy into the poison while mooching off the national government.
Living in a conservative area nearly all my life, I have been able to closely observe these rightists, as opposed to actual conservatives, close up. It has never been a pretty sight.
If we're not careful, the alt-right, well armed and recruiting via the internet, might just eventually morph into an American ISIS.
Living in a conservative area nearly all my life, I have been able to closely observe these rightists, as opposed to actual conservatives, close up. It has never been a pretty sight.
If we're not careful, the alt-right, well armed and recruiting via the internet, might just eventually morph into an American ISIS.
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Oh, my! I looked at what I assume to be Mr. Taylor's sitting room and immediately wondered where Carol Burnett was to turn those drapes into Scarlett's "new dress". He's living in 1850.
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Why haven't all the mainstream republicans applauded this speech? Where is Paul Ryan? Mitch McConnell? Jon McCain who did such an effective job at this when he ran for president? Silence from them all.
The problem is in their midst. While all Americans ought to condemn the racism of white supremacists, Republicans especially need to eject them from their fold if they are going to recover from this election.
Republicans, just because proponents of these toxic ideas embrace your candidate does not mean you stick your head in the sand. Stand up and speak out. Condemn this putrescence. It is morally incumbent upon you and you will pay a huge political price if you do not.
We are all Americans. Partisanship needs to be cast aside. We have huge racial issues to work on together, regardless of the outcome of this election, and a good place to start is a condemnation of white supremacism.
The problem is in their midst. While all Americans ought to condemn the racism of white supremacists, Republicans especially need to eject them from their fold if they are going to recover from this election.
Republicans, just because proponents of these toxic ideas embrace your candidate does not mean you stick your head in the sand. Stand up and speak out. Condemn this putrescence. It is morally incumbent upon you and you will pay a huge political price if you do not.
We are all Americans. Partisanship needs to be cast aside. We have huge racial issues to work on together, regardless of the outcome of this election, and a good place to start is a condemnation of white supremacism.
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The GOP can't win elections without this demographic. It is what Nixon's Southern Strategy was all about. They are painted in a corner and all they can do is hide and pray that the Russians or that traitor Assange has a REAL scandal on Clinton instead of the silly ones he keeps lobbing their way.
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You shine a light into a dark kitchen; you see a 500-pound cockroach in the middle of the floor, you say something about it, you do something about it. This thing has always been around - hiding in the walls, behind the refrigerator - now's the time to get rid of it.
Trump shone a light into a dark place in America looking for support. He found these ugly dangerous people. Hilary Clinton is absolutely correct in wanting to do something about them and their philosophy / sophistry.
Trump shone a light into a dark place in America looking for support. He found these ugly dangerous people. Hilary Clinton is absolutely correct in wanting to do something about them and their philosophy / sophistry.
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Truly Nolan, thar's money in them thar hills of Little Silver. Come heavy.
My impression of the alt-right is that it started out as a pure trolling exercise by kids who could think of no other way of shocking their ultra-permissive mommies and daddies. June Cleaver could have never dreamed of the day when transgender access to public restrooms would become a national obsession! As trolls, the alt-right founders succeeded beyond their wildest dreams -- witness the comments on this article.
Unfortunately, some very unsavory characters were equally trolled, which is why the movement is now polluted by actual white supremacists, anti-Semites, and cranks of every persuasion. The alt-right is now in its Rococo period, and, fate willing, will burn itself out soon.
Unfortunately, some very unsavory characters were equally trolled, which is why the movement is now polluted by actual white supremacists, anti-Semites, and cranks of every persuasion. The alt-right is now in its Rococo period, and, fate willing, will burn itself out soon.
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Your statement that they started out as a trolling exercise indicates to me that you probably have never lived below the Mason-Dixon line. I am with you in that regard but anecdotal stories from friends and relatives in those areas has shone a light on all of the very real racism that we can find in this country without looking too hard.
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It's true -- Calling this "alt-right" makes it sound cool, almost trendy, so millenial, so very very 2016. The guy who invented the term is a PR genius, and most of our wonderful media -- God, they really can't come from the cream of the crop -- laps it up and allows them to re-brand themselves.
It's just good old white supremacy, everyone. All the same old groups, all the same old hate. And just read Dana Milbank's column in the Washington Post quoting the things that Stephen Bannon, now Trump's campaign chief, has written. It's old-fashioned white supremacist hate.
For God's sake, for the sake of our America, don't make them seem suddenly somehow respectable.
It's just good old white supremacy, everyone. All the same old groups, all the same old hate. And just read Dana Milbank's column in the Washington Post quoting the things that Stephen Bannon, now Trump's campaign chief, has written. It's old-fashioned white supremacist hate.
For God's sake, for the sake of our America, don't make them seem suddenly somehow respectable.
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Clinton should have skipped giving major free publicity to these groups, publicity they never would have gotten otherwise. It is not simply her comments, but the fact that they become an ongoing news story, the publicity multiplying exponentially. Such was inevitable, and one would think experienced political operatives would know that. There are plenty of ways for Clinton's campaign to tie Trump to these people without the candidate herself making them part of the "conversation", thus giving them a type of legitimacy.
I am most definitely not saying to ignore them. To the contrary, they do not get nearly enough attention from law enforcement, politicians, or the media. Leftists saying equivalent things would and have received a hundred times greater attention from law enforcement, politicians, and the media. It is just that one in Clinton's position should not be effectively giving them a soapbox, a right to "reply" in many forums, including here in the Times. When she becomes President, then she can take them on, hopefully not coddling them the way other Presidents have.
I am most definitely not saying to ignore them. To the contrary, they do not get nearly enough attention from law enforcement, politicians, or the media. Leftists saying equivalent things would and have received a hundred times greater attention from law enforcement, politicians, and the media. It is just that one in Clinton's position should not be effectively giving them a soapbox, a right to "reply" in many forums, including here in the Times. When she becomes President, then she can take them on, hopefully not coddling them the way other Presidents have.
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Totally disagree. She's not giving them a forum, she's calling them out and letting the GOP know the country sees T Rump and his fascist, racist followers taking over their party. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Racism is adolescent; it's time this country matured.
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Aren't many of the immigrants here to harvest vegetables and fruit? They certainly must be paid far below minimum wage, but for them it is a little something to sustain them and their families.
@mmp
Yes. That's why many of the illegals are here. And their willingness to work for less than the proper rat is why Cesar Chavez (you 'be heard of him, I trust) vehemently opposed their presence. He called them "wetbacks" and "scabs" who took the jobs that rightfully belonged to his union laborers... Facts matter...
Yes. That's why many of the illegals are here. And their willingness to work for less than the proper rat is why Cesar Chavez (you 'be heard of him, I trust) vehemently opposed their presence. He called them "wetbacks" and "scabs" who took the jobs that rightfully belonged to his union laborers... Facts matter...
This reminds me vaguely of the last of the Harry Potter novels, when Voldemort returned to power and his Death Eaters came out of the shadows. Trump and the alt-right. Voldemort and the Death Eaters. Republicans for Voldemort in 2016.
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I've always been part of this "movement", my username gives it away...anyway, it's never been about racism, although there are definitely racists in the movement. Just as there are in every form of political party in existence. Just as there's always racial and class discrimination in every human society ever known to mankind. My idea of racism is a liberal advocating for more abortion clinics in an area populated by minorities. Or a liberal who champions the cause of the ILLEGAL immigrant and utilizes their modern slave labor to make their lives more comfortable and affordable. My idea of racism is a liberal telling you what you should or shouldn't think or what to be angry over or not or else they use shaming and violence to further their agenda. My idea of racism is a liberal cherry picking an incident from one ethnic group to another but won't do so if the ethnicities were reversed...I could go on forever on the madness of the modern liberal or social justice warrior.
All we want is the plain truth, no twisting. All we want are facts, not cherry picked stories. All we want is the right to speak and have opinions, even if they differs from yours. All we want is the right to elect someone to enforce the law without being labeled racists. All we want is the right to bear arms and protect ourselves. All we want is basically the Bill of Rights which has evaporated from modern society.
All we want is the plain truth, no twisting. All we want are facts, not cherry picked stories. All we want is the right to speak and have opinions, even if they differs from yours. All we want is the right to elect someone to enforce the law without being labeled racists. All we want is the right to bear arms and protect ourselves. All we want is basically the Bill of Rights which has evaporated from modern society.
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You must be a man to spout off about abortion clinics and inner city areas. Liberals (and most mainstreamers) want women - regardless of their race -- who choose to go this route to have practical access to legal abortions.
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The Bill Of Rights are alive and well my friend, as evidenced by the publication of your comment.
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The irony must be lost on you, you are posting here. The fact that you are obsessed by a woman's right to choose is fairly telling.
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The alt-right is not just raving bigots and Klansmen. Plenty of thoughtful, mainstream Americans are against unlimited immigration, especially from groups that do not assimilate and do not share democratic values. They also believe that successful counties have generally homogeneous populations, and that the failures of certain groups are not caused by racism or prejudice, but by genetic differences in populations, including differences in cognitive ability and behavior that have a scientific basis. They also are against an ever-expanding welfare state supported by a few productive citizens and foreign borrowing.
All of this is easy to dismiss with name-calling, or by associating these ideas with their worst proponents. But the concerns of the alt-right are matters of substance. This is not less so because they are taboo to others.
All of this is easy to dismiss with name-calling, or by associating these ideas with their worst proponents. But the concerns of the alt-right are matters of substance. This is not less so because they are taboo to others.
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No one of any political group is for "unlimited" immigration. Also, many mainsteam and liberals are against big businesses' blatent use of the specialty visas to bring tech workers here at less pay when we have plenty of qualified individuals with STEM skills that are unemployed!
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I cannot believe what I just read here. Seriously, you're attempting to convince us you are not a racist, but a thoughtful person whose views deserve respect -- because after all, certain races are genetically inferior and intelligent people must own up to that 'fact.'
Heck, you're right. That's not racism. That's Nazi eugenics straight out of the 1930s. It's what the KKK has been preaching since its inception. It's the core principle of every xenophobic, racist movement that has ever existed anywhere on earth.
Here's the problem, amigo. In the 21st century and, if the human race survives into the future beyond that despite its best efforts to render the planet uninhabitable, 'races' will pretty much cease to exist. The ease of travel, the ongoing diversification of populations and 'interracial' marriage will blur the racial divisions and differences that geography, distance and cultural taboos previously imposed. National cultures will become global cultures as we reach out to one another moment to moment via the internet.
It's the white supremacist's worst nightmare - 'race mixing.' Oh my gosh, then what?
You can dress white supremacist fear and hatred up in pseudo-intellectual and pseudo-scientific trappings all you want. It's the same old vile, rotten filthy mess. And I will tell you what - you folks will be tossed onto the scrap heap of history and human evolution. You're already on your way to the dumpster where you belong. If you are not, we are all doomed.
Heck, you're right. That's not racism. That's Nazi eugenics straight out of the 1930s. It's what the KKK has been preaching since its inception. It's the core principle of every xenophobic, racist movement that has ever existed anywhere on earth.
Here's the problem, amigo. In the 21st century and, if the human race survives into the future beyond that despite its best efforts to render the planet uninhabitable, 'races' will pretty much cease to exist. The ease of travel, the ongoing diversification of populations and 'interracial' marriage will blur the racial divisions and differences that geography, distance and cultural taboos previously imposed. National cultures will become global cultures as we reach out to one another moment to moment via the internet.
It's the white supremacist's worst nightmare - 'race mixing.' Oh my gosh, then what?
You can dress white supremacist fear and hatred up in pseudo-intellectual and pseudo-scientific trappings all you want. It's the same old vile, rotten filthy mess. And I will tell you what - you folks will be tossed onto the scrap heap of history and human evolution. You're already on your way to the dumpster where you belong. If you are not, we are all doomed.
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Who claims tech workers are coming here at less pay, Bj?
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Sunshine is the best disinfectant. I don't see any major Republicans denouncing Hillary's speech. My guess is that they understand how poisonous to the national discourse the alt-right is. Hillary absolutely did the right thing calling out Trump and his connections to the alt-right. About time Democrats grew a backbone!
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Excellent point. Indeed, the alt.right has led an assualt against the neocons and other conservative Republicans. Who do people think came up with the term "Rinos"? It's amazing to me that so many of the comments made here reflect the idea that Clinton, aided by the so-called liberal media, somehow invented this idea for self-serving purposes. It's a fact that that the conservative press, especially the National Review and the Weekly Standard, have been waging a vicious war of words with Breitbart and Trump for months--journals that are hardly in Clinton's camp.
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The Huffingtonpost started out by putting his Trump's campaign in its Entertainment section; not any more. Treating Trump as a laughingstock "illegitimate" candidate didn't confine him to the fringes of Republican politics. Doing the same to the alt-right won't either. By the time sober Republicans woke up and took him seriously, it was already too late.
For years the Federal government has treated extremist militias and right-wing anarchists with kidd gloves. While we fill our nation's prisons with nuisance drug addicts, a core of violent reactionaries has been allowed to blossom turning our public lands into terrorist training camps and intimidating rural communities. They are legion throughout the intermountain west. They reject our democratic values and threaten our free institutions.
Criminals like Cliven Bundy and his buddies pointed guns at Federal law enforcement officers while trespassing on the people's land, yet President Obama meekly tolerated them out of fear of inflaming right-wing extremists. Try pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer in any big city in the country and the result will be anything but "meek". By failing to act forcefully, the alt-right knows that the more violent their rhetoric, the more they can get away with.
For years the Federal government has treated extremist militias and right-wing anarchists with kidd gloves. While we fill our nation's prisons with nuisance drug addicts, a core of violent reactionaries has been allowed to blossom turning our public lands into terrorist training camps and intimidating rural communities. They are legion throughout the intermountain west. They reject our democratic values and threaten our free institutions.
Criminals like Cliven Bundy and his buddies pointed guns at Federal law enforcement officers while trespassing on the people's land, yet President Obama meekly tolerated them out of fear of inflaming right-wing extremists. Try pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer in any big city in the country and the result will be anything but "meek". By failing to act forcefully, the alt-right knows that the more violent their rhetoric, the more they can get away with.
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@Gary. Wait: I thought that Cliven and Ammon Bundy were arrested, jailed, and charged. Isn't that what the Executive branch of government is charged to do, faithfully execute the laws of the country? When did doing that become "meekly tolerating" law-breakers?
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@Porch Dad: you are kidding me, right? Two years after his armed stand-off with Federal authorities, Cliven Bundy was telling right-wing radio "they're (the Feds) leaving me alone". He was only arrested a short five months ago - better late than never, I guess. Contrast that with Obama's well-documented paranoid surveillance and Nixonian infiltration of Occupy Wall Street. The administration certainly wasted no time saving the nation from that egregious threat to our free institutions. Meek timidity and whining capitulation: thy name is Barack Obama.
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What, did you want a shoot out? We don't do that anymore out here in the West.
I glad she drew a line in the sand. Obviously, her message is directed to the rank-and-file GOP voters and those leaning in that direction due to their GOP-induced dislike/hate for Hillary.
But for most solid GOP-aligned voters, I don't think this will sway them much since after 25 years of non-stop Hillary-bashing from the right, they'll clearly align themselves with the hard-right racists and over-the-top conspiracy nuts and extremists. After all, the eight years of Obama obstruction and birtherism openly promoted in the GOP were nothing more than, wink-wink, racist code. GOP voters always deny it, play the victim card, and whine and scream that Obama really is the worst president in US history, but the sane world knows the score.
But this election will bring long-felt damage in this country. GOP voters who openly support Trump and the alignment with some of the most vile segments of society will not be be forgotten by many of their friends, neighbors, and associates who embrace American values and basic human rights.
This is not some silly political game. It's a measure of one's ability to put country over politics and moral compass.
But for most solid GOP-aligned voters, I don't think this will sway them much since after 25 years of non-stop Hillary-bashing from the right, they'll clearly align themselves with the hard-right racists and over-the-top conspiracy nuts and extremists. After all, the eight years of Obama obstruction and birtherism openly promoted in the GOP were nothing more than, wink-wink, racist code. GOP voters always deny it, play the victim card, and whine and scream that Obama really is the worst president in US history, but the sane world knows the score.
But this election will bring long-felt damage in this country. GOP voters who openly support Trump and the alignment with some of the most vile segments of society will not be be forgotten by many of their friends, neighbors, and associates who embrace American values and basic human rights.
This is not some silly political game. It's a measure of one's ability to put country over politics and moral compass.
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Thank you, Hillary Clinton, for saying what must be said. It must be said repeatedly, too, and the philosophy of the "alt-right" must be explained so people really get it.
Then, people must choose.
Those in doubt, please read about the 1930's,
Then, people must choose.
Those in doubt, please read about the 1930's,
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Since hearing how Donny has taken on people who traffic in the ideas of Alt-Right, the only remaining questions i have are:
If he (the Donald) actually won the election, does he really think that they (Alt-Right) would want to try to get him installed as the king of America (in the quite literal sense of the word "king")?
And, really? Alt-Right? Donald "the philosopher king" Trump? This is who you're putting your chips on? This is your vessel to introduce your ideal government to the world?
I'm honestly not sure which is funnier.
If he (the Donald) actually won the election, does he really think that they (Alt-Right) would want to try to get him installed as the king of America (in the quite literal sense of the word "king")?
And, really? Alt-Right? Donald "the philosopher king" Trump? This is who you're putting your chips on? This is your vessel to introduce your ideal government to the world?
I'm honestly not sure which is funnier.
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This is a sideline path I don't think HRC should be going down for the long term, but I support her in bringing the "alt-right" out of the shadows. Light and exposure on these groups will do far more damage to them that the shadows. The "alt-right" won't gain any more supporters - the ones who would join them already know of them. And I don't even want to know what that thing is by the lamp in the photograph of Jared Taylor - but by all means NYT - don't crop it out.
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Finally, we see some backbone after Hillary Clinton suffered the indignations of decades of unwarranted hatred. That's what I like; some backbone. Take her lead Democrats.
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Good. Let them think that having the spotlight shining right on top of them is a "good thing". It's the same way Trump encouraged all the racists to come out the woodwork out in the open. This is what we want, for the whole world to see them for whom and what they truly are. They will no longer be able to hide in the shadows.
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Poor Hillary. Her Secret Service has to carry her up the stairs, she can't handle press conferences, and her Clinton Foundation has been shown to be a vehicle for Pay for Play - and Assange & Wikileaks have more to come! If she had any decency she would step aside so Joe Biden could win the election, but she doesn't. She just is not in tune with the US public - we are sick of the corruption. I am a Democrat but I am an American first. I won't vote for either main party candidate. It is time for real change.
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you may be correct (about time for a change) but it will not be obtained in this election. The choice is binary - Hillary or Donald. Votes for anyone else is tantamount to throwing the election to one of these two. ( Are you old enough to recall Nader?)
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That mindless rehash of Rabid Right smears and innuendo gives you away. I don't believe for a minute you are or ever were, a Democrat.
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Just to let you know Joe Biden isn't running. The old meme, "I am a demcrat but" is so yesterday.
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Restraint from calling out Trump for associating with these guys out gives them control. So call them out. Let the whole world see who Trump and the GOP have allied with so voters will know who they're associating with and empowering by voting for Trump. Let Trump and the GOP sink in disgrace.
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The courts in North Carolina found that the state's legislature specifically targeted minority districts in shaping the voter i.d. laws that were recently struck down.
The Times recently ran a video series showing Trump supporters as they truly are. If you watch, be prepared for your jaw to drop and to stay that way.
Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond crossed party lines so as to continue their segregationist ways. A conservative is a conservative, and Lincoln was no conservative. Indeed, he favored a centralized government, which is precisely why he sought to hold the union together. Conversely, Robert Byrd disavowed his racist views, and publicly so.
And so on.
Clinton is pointing to the albatross on the neck of the GOP that it is only to happy to exploit for political gain but otherwise wants to hide. The push back here is palpable - and a stark reminder that her ripping off the polite mannerisms about nasty racism was entirely necessary.
She has my vote now more than ever.
The Times recently ran a video series showing Trump supporters as they truly are. If you watch, be prepared for your jaw to drop and to stay that way.
Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond crossed party lines so as to continue their segregationist ways. A conservative is a conservative, and Lincoln was no conservative. Indeed, he favored a centralized government, which is precisely why he sought to hold the union together. Conversely, Robert Byrd disavowed his racist views, and publicly so.
And so on.
Clinton is pointing to the albatross on the neck of the GOP that it is only to happy to exploit for political gain but otherwise wants to hide. The push back here is palpable - and a stark reminder that her ripping off the polite mannerisms about nasty racism was entirely necessary.
She has my vote now more than ever.
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Clinton recognizes what the decent people in this country are feeling, and has expressed it. Kudos for Clinton. The Alt-right can revel in the attention: they won't look any better for it.
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>>>
The most important idea here is that Trump is only 5 % pts behind her.
Peter Hart, a well respected Dem strategist, just said on MTP that Trump has the better chance of winning.
The most important idea here is that Trump is only 5 % pts behind her.
Peter Hart, a well respected Dem strategist, just said on MTP that Trump has the better chance of winning.
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@Prometheus. Nope. You're focused on the wrong thing. The race is for the Electoral College. Polls in the battleground states are the only polls that are relevant. In those states, she is very nearly running the table. And she's competitive in Georgia, Arizona, SC, Missouri, and Utah -- unheard of for a Dem in recent elections. With the exception of NC, where her lead is narrow, she's so far ahead in the blue states that Obama won in 2008 that they're mostly out of reach for The Donald. As things presently stand, she'd reach 270 Electoral College votes without winning *either* Florida *or* Pennsylvania --and she's ahead in the polls in those 2 states, as well.
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@Porch Dad,
The Titan understands the electoral college. I'm just telling you what Peter Hart said. Pete Hart is not some leftwing nut, he is a well respected political DEM operator.
Also Wiki Leaks which will being releasing more stuff on her all the way to Nov. Tump now has a Mommy manager that will give him time outs when he goes off the rails; they're going to remake this guy, and Hillary is a weak candidate.
The GOP has no intention of letting her into the WH and changing the SCOTUS.
"The basis of optimism is sheer terror."
Oscar Wilde
The Titan understands the electoral college. I'm just telling you what Peter Hart said. Pete Hart is not some leftwing nut, he is a well respected political DEM operator.
Also Wiki Leaks which will being releasing more stuff on her all the way to Nov. Tump now has a Mommy manager that will give him time outs when he goes off the rails; they're going to remake this guy, and Hillary is a weak candidate.
The GOP has no intention of letting her into the WH and changing the SCOTUS.
"The basis of optimism is sheer terror."
Oscar Wilde
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@Promethius. You really refer to yourself in the third person as the "Titan?" And if Peter Hart actually did say that, as the race presently stands, Trump has a "better chance" of winning, then he's so delusional that it's not worth commenting. Really: that's just beyond absurd; it's willful blindness.
BTW: In 2000, HRC beat every Democrat who was running for the US Senate from NY and then she wiped the floor with Rick Lazio. In 2006, she won reelection by 35 percentage points. In 2008, she bested the rest of the Democratic field and then very nearly beat, head-to-head, one of the most gifted politicians in my lifetime (which goes back nearly 60 years). In 2016, she beat Bernie Sanders very handily (4 million votes) and is, at least at present, handing the Republican nominee his lunch. Experience suggests that it just might be a bad idea to underestimate Hillary Clinton as a politician or as a candidate.
BTW: In 2000, HRC beat every Democrat who was running for the US Senate from NY and then she wiped the floor with Rick Lazio. In 2006, she won reelection by 35 percentage points. In 2008, she bested the rest of the Democratic field and then very nearly beat, head-to-head, one of the most gifted politicians in my lifetime (which goes back nearly 60 years). In 2016, she beat Bernie Sanders very handily (4 million votes) and is, at least at present, handing the Republican nominee his lunch. Experience suggests that it just might be a bad idea to underestimate Hillary Clinton as a politician or as a candidate.
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She is getting desperate.
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No, she is just continuing to defend herself against those who demean her, cast her as ill, put her down in misogynistic terms.
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@dc
NO. She is just getting started....just wait.
NO. She is just getting started....just wait.
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With Steve Bannon on board, I'm waiting for Trump's campaign slogan to be revised...
"Making America WHITE Again!"
"Making America WHITE Again!"
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Dave, "Making America White Again" is the subtext of the Trump campaign, which is why he's been embraced by the alt-right.
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Was Winston Churchill stirring up a hornets next and when, for years prior to the invasion of Poland, he warned the world against Hitler? What atrocities might have been prevented, had the National Socialists not be outed as the homicidal, anti-Semitic lunatics that they were, before Hitler became Germany's chancellor?
It is never too soon to denounce evil. By denouncing the white supremacist movement -- the so-called "alt-right" -- Hillary Clinton is not giving such miscreants a platform. Rather, she is calling our attention to a real threat, one that is being validated, not by her, but rather by the amoral, incompetent half-wit, Donald Trump. We need to confront and defeat that threat now, before it is too late.
No less than Glenn Beck -- about as right-wing as you can get, one would think -- was a guest on MSNBC host Larry McDonnell's show on Wednesday night, warning of the dangers of alt-right fascism and comparing Trump to Father Coughlin, the fascist populist of the 1930s. Beck actually sounded like a reasonable person for once dropping his wacko Fox persona and suggesting that the left and right should unite to defeat the alts.
If someone like Beck realizes that the alt-right is is crazy, fascistic and dangerous, then maybe we should all pay attention -- and maybe Hillary's call to arms is not premature, but rather just in time.
It is never too soon to denounce evil. By denouncing the white supremacist movement -- the so-called "alt-right" -- Hillary Clinton is not giving such miscreants a platform. Rather, she is calling our attention to a real threat, one that is being validated, not by her, but rather by the amoral, incompetent half-wit, Donald Trump. We need to confront and defeat that threat now, before it is too late.
No less than Glenn Beck -- about as right-wing as you can get, one would think -- was a guest on MSNBC host Larry McDonnell's show on Wednesday night, warning of the dangers of alt-right fascism and comparing Trump to Father Coughlin, the fascist populist of the 1930s. Beck actually sounded like a reasonable person for once dropping his wacko Fox persona and suggesting that the left and right should unite to defeat the alts.
If someone like Beck realizes that the alt-right is is crazy, fascistic and dangerous, then maybe we should all pay attention -- and maybe Hillary's call to arms is not premature, but rather just in time.
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Who is Glenn Beck? What is MSNBC? Who is Larry "McDonnell?" Don't you mean O'Donnell?
HRC just gave those nobodes, $50 million in free PR. She is "excessively careless." She is totally unqualified to be president.
HRC just gave those nobodes, $50 million in free PR. She is "excessively careless." She is totally unqualified to be president.
This has nothing to do with Trump or any other GOPer. This is about a crooked Democratic Party led by a crooked anti-American Candidate. Hillary sold access to the office of the Secretary of State for money. The , and worse. Clinton Foundation is a lie for laundering money. Just like the Hillary/Clooney/DNC "campaigning for downtickets" lie, where about 1% actually went to State candidates. She and her cronies should be indicted using RICO laws. The Clinton Foundation is a tax haven and a slush fund and the Clinton's sold out America and our security for money. Which is more dangerous? Trump saying stupid things or Clinton selling 1/5 of US Uranium to the Russian Government?
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If it is never to early to denounce evil why are you supporting the Clintons?
If it's off limits to encourage the Alt-Right by talking about it, then why do politicians and the talking heads spend so much time talking about terrorists and terrorism? Isn't that the same thing? Encouraging them by talking about them? Legitimizing them by speaking out against them?
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@ricky
Just for the record -- there's a vast difference between bringing something to light, and "encouraging" it.
It also depends on one's own moral compass to know the difference.
Just for the record -- there's a vast difference between bringing something to light, and "encouraging" it.
It also depends on one's own moral compass to know the difference.
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Alt right is equally as bad as black lives matter as they both stir up hate and division. Both political parties should stop spewing racial bigotry epitaphs at one another which only creates more hatred and mistrust. There is certainly much to be done in the way of employment opportunities for all especially within the black community. They are seeing the largest number of unemployed folks since President Obama took office. They must remain in school and get a good education.
The blacks have not fared well under the current administration and maybe Donald Trump is the answer to their lost wages and better employment opportunities. He wants to end illegal immigration which affects the black communities with lower wages and less available jobs. Hillary Clinton will just continue the same policies as Barack Obama which have been a failure and caused more anguish and pain. With Donald Trump, he wants to give them a fresh start in life. Maybe they should consider this alternative to Mrs. Clinton which is just more of the same. We all know how they have fared which is not very well.
The blacks have not fared well under the current administration and maybe Donald Trump is the answer to their lost wages and better employment opportunities. He wants to end illegal immigration which affects the black communities with lower wages and less available jobs. Hillary Clinton will just continue the same policies as Barack Obama which have been a failure and caused more anguish and pain. With Donald Trump, he wants to give them a fresh start in life. Maybe they should consider this alternative to Mrs. Clinton which is just more of the same. We all know how they have fared which is not very well.
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You don't understand the alt-right. The vile stuff that the alt-right stands for is pure junk, not representative of our proud country.
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Seeing comments by alt-right members on social media truly frightens me. Hillary will win but the Pandora's box has been opened. They have emerged and who knows what will happen now.
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Cockroaches hate the light so while Bannon and Milo Yiannopoulos might enjoy all the press the rank and file racists do not.
They would much rather stick to the shadows like all cockroaches because they still have to go to work and PTA meetings and soccer games and if their neighbors, coworkers etc. ever fine out they belong to today's KKKlan they'll lose their jobs their kids will have to change schools.
Today's Alt Right KKKlan is a joke.
They'll be gone faster than Trump's bone spur.
They would much rather stick to the shadows like all cockroaches because they still have to go to work and PTA meetings and soccer games and if their neighbors, coworkers etc. ever fine out they belong to today's KKKlan they'll lose their jobs their kids will have to change schools.
Today's Alt Right KKKlan is a joke.
They'll be gone faster than Trump's bone spur.
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They are keyboard warriors. Pretty impotent, just loud
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Anyone that knows Hillary shouldn't be too surprised how quickly she has gotten down into the muck with the Donald. Both dishonest and corrupt, this last few month of the campaigns should set a new benchmark in sleaze for American politics.
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@veritas
What do you mean that no one shouldn't be too sirprised "how quickly she has gotten down into the muck with Donald"?... You do realize that Trump is all muck. All the time, don't you?... How could one not possibly get dirty?
What do you mean that no one shouldn't be too sirprised "how quickly she has gotten down into the muck with Donald"?... You do realize that Trump is all muck. All the time, don't you?... How could one not possibly get dirty?
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Hillary is despised by over half the country so being her enemy is nothing but a good thing.
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Your idea of a good thing is frightening.
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Many people seem to miss the target of Hillary's speech, which is clearly the Republican leaning voters who are having internal debates about pulling the lever for Trump on Election Day. You know, the suburban women who don't really like Trump's attacks on the Khan family, John McCain, etc., etc., seemingly ad infinitum.
These voters don't like Hillary, in general. To these voters, she couldn't have delivered a clearer or better message. If you don't like her, she showed that the alt-right alternative for what it is. Bravo, as far s I'm concerned. Let them come out of the woodwork. Their crowing might be enough to deliver a Democratic Senate and...House! We an always hope.
These voters don't like Hillary, in general. To these voters, she couldn't have delivered a clearer or better message. If you don't like her, she showed that the alt-right alternative for what it is. Bravo, as far s I'm concerned. Let them come out of the woodwork. Their crowing might be enough to deliver a Democratic Senate and...House! We an always hope.
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We as a nation have been headed in this direction for a long time haven't we?
Since Nixon's Southern Strategy, followed by Reagan's more direct appeal to states rights advocates in the town where 3 civil rights workers were murdered, the Republicans have used racial, cultural and religious rhetoric to convince white working class men that people who are different than them, are the cause of the diminishing financial returns on their daily work.
The reality as we know, is that Republicans continue to leave the middle class and poor behind while continuing to enrich the rich. They get away with it by using ever increasingly direct appeals to the fears and bigotry of so many people.
And so this is a culmination, if you will, of Nixon's strategy. LBJ's prophecy, that Democrats would lose the south for the rest of his life and the next generation has turned out quite true.
Since Nixon's Southern Strategy, followed by Reagan's more direct appeal to states rights advocates in the town where 3 civil rights workers were murdered, the Republicans have used racial, cultural and religious rhetoric to convince white working class men that people who are different than them, are the cause of the diminishing financial returns on their daily work.
The reality as we know, is that Republicans continue to leave the middle class and poor behind while continuing to enrich the rich. They get away with it by using ever increasingly direct appeals to the fears and bigotry of so many people.
And so this is a culmination, if you will, of Nixon's strategy. LBJ's prophecy, that Democrats would lose the south for the rest of his life and the next generation has turned out quite true.
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The Alt-Right gets money from Robert Mercer, billionaire and co-CEO of a hedge fund. Mercer was the largest funder of the Cruz campaign and owns Breitbart. Trump's recent re-boot of his campaign added Steve Bannon as CEO and Kellyanne Conway as campaign chairman. Steve was previously working for Mercer at Breitbart, and Kellyanne was with the Cruz campaign running Mercer's PAC. Mercer's PAC has been rebranded to support Trump.
The apparent conflicts (softening from Kellyanne, and hardening from Bannon) in immigration policy from Trump recently are actually coming from people who owe their careers to one man: Mercer. Mercer is also apparently by far the largest contributor to the Trump campaign.
So, Trump is now owned by an uneasy cabal of Putin's buddies, Chinese Government run banks, and an alt-right Hedge fund billionaire. Trump's policies and pronouncements seem driven by those who have given or loaned him money. At one time, Trump was a massive debtor to giant US banks--using threats of defaulting to threaten doing more damage to the banks than to him to get concessions and generous terms in is many corporate bankruptcies. With his new indebtedness, Trump has no leverage--except to sing whatever tune his masters want: kill NATO and sanction Russian adventure for Putin, kill TPP and withdraw from the Pacific for the Chinese, and kill taxes on the wealthiest and promote racism for Mercer.
How did we get here?
The apparent conflicts (softening from Kellyanne, and hardening from Bannon) in immigration policy from Trump recently are actually coming from people who owe their careers to one man: Mercer. Mercer is also apparently by far the largest contributor to the Trump campaign.
So, Trump is now owned by an uneasy cabal of Putin's buddies, Chinese Government run banks, and an alt-right Hedge fund billionaire. Trump's policies and pronouncements seem driven by those who have given or loaned him money. At one time, Trump was a massive debtor to giant US banks--using threats of defaulting to threaten doing more damage to the banks than to him to get concessions and generous terms in is many corporate bankruptcies. With his new indebtedness, Trump has no leverage--except to sing whatever tune his masters want: kill NATO and sanction Russian adventure for Putin, kill TPP and withdraw from the Pacific for the Chinese, and kill taxes on the wealthiest and promote racism for Mercer.
How did we get here?
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I sincerely wish you would post your very astute comment on every site you visit, because you NAILED IT with this! Thx.
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@mjohns
Great comment. One of the few that really lays it out.
But to your question; "How did we get here? "... I'm thinking probably the same way we ended up with Trump as a presidential nominee.
Scary, isn't it???
Great comment. One of the few that really lays it out.
But to your question; "How did we get here? "... I'm thinking probably the same way we ended up with Trump as a presidential nominee.
Scary, isn't it???
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Wow! Thank you for answering, pulling into focus a number of puzzling concerns I've had about Trump and the recent somewhat media-normalized revelations and developments in his campaign. I'm reading through, in sequence, all the readers' picks of letters in response to this tone deaf and not very perspicacious --but at least existentt -- NYT article on the import of Clinton's perhaps game-changing speech. I'm relieved and thrilled by their sudden eruption of clarity about what's been going on so far in this campaign. Your comment is the most stunningly informative yet. Why was I so lax in looking up Mercer, Conway, etc. on Wikipedia? Why have so many of us just taken this candidate and his shifting cast of managers as legitimate political functionaries? The children, and then Manafort, still had me reeling. Now it seems like the cluelessly amoral and self-infatuated Trump is up for sale to any bidder. I was for Bernie and saw Hill and Bill as slickend grifters, but now that it's apparent how low this all could go I know why I'll vote for her and why a vast majority of other Americans should too. It's kind of scary, but maybe in the end good, that there are almost 2 1/2 months to go until Election Day. Please keep contributing whatever you know to these NYT response letters.
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Mrs. Clinton is lowering herself to Trump's level; the headline reads, Hillary and Trump call each other racists. Her problem, now and for the last 8 years at least; the Democratic Party and its members, have avoided saying nice things about either Obama or Mrs Clinton, and bad things about Republicans and their growing group of fellow travelers, leaving the stage open, previously, just to the Republican Party now to a much larger crowd. It is Obama and Clinton against some really scary people; please Democrats get back on the stage before the theater burns down.
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When you shine a bright light directly at a rat, it usually crawls back under the garbage pile that it emerged from. We can only hope.
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A little sunshine is a good disinfectant.
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The Alt Rightists feel like they've been short changed.
They feel like they don't measure up.
They feel small, tiny, insignificant.
Maybe they're right.
They feel like they don't measure up.
They feel small, tiny, insignificant.
Maybe they're right.
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Let's make this simple. The "Alt Right " is "Alt Wrong" and to make this even simpler it is "Alt Evil"
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I prefer "Rabid Right". They call themselves Alt-Right and that sounds way too euphemistic, imo. I prefer to call them what I think they are.
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That Don Trump shares the home of the Statue of Liberty is a terrible injustice to the statue.
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Good grief. Is there no end to the lengths NYT readers will go to insult Donald Trump?
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@aacny
You've got it all wrong....By insulting humanity, Donald Trump is an insult to humanity.
You've got it all wrong....By insulting humanity, Donald Trump is an insult to humanity.
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Statue of Liberty is, arguably, not in NYS but in NJ.
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Mrs. Clinton doesn't realize her big "evidenced-based" speech used "evidence" that people are still laughing about. It's like quoting Amy Schumer for indecency or George Karlin for bad language.
It's bad enough that she cannot tell a joke. She certainly doesn't want to become it.
It's bad enough that she cannot tell a joke. She certainly doesn't want to become it.
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If the Alt-right is thrilled by the attention showered on it by Hillary Clinton and others, they are obviously just as grandiose in their thinking and arrogant as Trump with no sense of right or wrong.
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Good for Clinton. The "Alt-Right" may pretend it enjoys the publicity, but the more ordinary Americans look the more they will be disgusted and understand what much of the vociferous attack on "political correctness" from this dark corner is really about: giving free reign to racism and other forms of bigotry. Silence is no way to push these people back under the rock from beneath which they crawled.
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I didn't see the speech, but the truth is that the so called "alt-right" isn't anything new (sorry alt righters), they've just given a name to a contingent of the Republican Party that has existed for a long time. All the so-called "dog whistle politics" of the past spoke to these folks. Thankfully, this isn't the entirety of the Republican Party (at least not here in VT) but it's high time for the more socially adjusted, psychologically stable members of Republican Party to STOP kowtowing to these folks and make their case for their vision of the country. (Too bad they wasted the last 8 years giving in to this ignorance and created Frankentrump but that's their problem).
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Trump exploits and modifies the seige mentality and cultural revanchism of the GOP by playing to conspiracy theories associated with the "alt.right." For instance, he cozies up to the likes of Alex Jones -- a man who asserts, among other things, that the massacre of first-graders at Newton was staged -- and declares this odious propagandist "amazing." Impervious to reason, distainful of evidence-based logic, proudly anti-science and anti-intellectual, these people think like members of a cult. Talk to a hardcore Trump supporter and it won't take long to get an earfull about the New World Order, chemtrails, the imminent imposition of Sharia law, or whatever else constitutes the conspiracy du jour. Worse, the alt.right are Trump's frontline troops. Their campaign of intimidation and harassment ranges from using parantheses on social media to identify Jewish critics, to leaving death threats on journalists' voicemail, to actual violence. Clinton is correct to call out how Trump cultivates their favor. She is only stating what's been obvious all along.
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Thus far, the campaigning has been a stellar example of what I call, the wisdom of the masses. This is social natural selection for intellectual humans. Even stupid people are smart........eventually.
She is shining a very bright light on the racism Don has exploited for his own personal gain. Brilliant.
I only wish she'd called attention to the fact that David Duke, former grand wizard of the kkk, has found comfort within the GOP to run for office in LA. To its credit, the LA GOP has refused its support, but that hasn't stopped Duke.
What a curious spectacle.
I only wish she'd called attention to the fact that David Duke, former grand wizard of the kkk, has found comfort within the GOP to run for office in LA. To its credit, the LA GOP has refused its support, but that hasn't stopped Duke.
What a curious spectacle.
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After reading all these comments, what I fail to understand is HOW and WHY so many people are concerned with what this group is being called, instead of being concerned that they exist to the extent that they do, and what a danger this represents to America -- and Americans at large.
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Best comment was made by Ryan Lissa a commentator on MSNBC this morning when he said "it's too bad we don't have a clear message from Trump on his policies, instead It's like analyzing a goats entrails."
So true.
So true.
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I find this mind boggling.
Isn't Trump supposed to be dumb, incoherent and unaware of the issues?
Shouldn't Hillary be cleaning Trump's clock with detailed, deep dives into policy discussions? Didn't the GOP debates expose Trump's inability to articulate coherent policy proposals?
Then why is Hillary sitting in the sandbox, namecalling with Trump less than 12 weeks away from election day?
Is Hillary so afraid that the American people will reject her policy proposals that she's not standing on the issues? Is Hillary afraid of embracing Bernie Sanders liberalism? Is Hillary afraid that if she's linked to Obama's failed policies that she will lose? Is Hillary afraid of embracing the neocon, flag waving right wing chickenhawk interventionist image she carefully cultivated the last night of the DNC?
Why is Hillary playing away from her strengths and into Trump's hands with childish namecalling that Trump has more than mastered?
Methinks the liberal establishment is getting REALLY nervous.
Isn't Trump supposed to be dumb, incoherent and unaware of the issues?
Shouldn't Hillary be cleaning Trump's clock with detailed, deep dives into policy discussions? Didn't the GOP debates expose Trump's inability to articulate coherent policy proposals?
Then why is Hillary sitting in the sandbox, namecalling with Trump less than 12 weeks away from election day?
Is Hillary so afraid that the American people will reject her policy proposals that she's not standing on the issues? Is Hillary afraid of embracing Bernie Sanders liberalism? Is Hillary afraid that if she's linked to Obama's failed policies that she will lose? Is Hillary afraid of embracing the neocon, flag waving right wing chickenhawk interventionist image she carefully cultivated the last night of the DNC?
Why is Hillary playing away from her strengths and into Trump's hands with childish namecalling that Trump has more than mastered?
Methinks the liberal establishment is getting REALLY nervous.
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I've read a lot of this DCBarrister's posts (why do you hide behind this silly nickname? Well, if I had stupid things to say like youI would use an alias too!), and it's hard to say which of them is the most absurd and illogical. Mrs. Clinton is attacking the true base that Trump's campaign is founded on: mindless right-wing poison, full of lies, reeking with noxious nativism, racism, and white supremacist nonsense. All this needs to be said over and over again. And of cours Mrs. Clinton has laid out any number of progressive policies; she is an experienced politician, a person with brains and guts. And Donald Trump has none of those qualities. He is a mouthpiece for the worst kind of ignorance. She is not name calling, as this "Barrister" from Washington seems to think. She is exposing the roots of Trump's positions and postures.
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I stopped reading them long ago. I don't think he is who he says he is.
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@ John Richetti
What you just did there is called an 'ad hominem attack', where the person's character or motives are attacked, not their argument.
It has been recognized as logically defective since time immemorial.
What you just did there is called an 'ad hominem attack', where the person's character or motives are attacked, not their argument.
It has been recognized as logically defective since time immemorial.
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Good for Hillary. Bring 'em out into the open.
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Just as Mr. Obama brought her and Bill out into the open during the 2008 Democratic Party campaign? I've often wondered, did Mr. Obama ever bring Bubba that cup of coffee....
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Ms. Clinton's comments will likely encourage the alt-right, just as Mr. Obama's election caused a huge increase in the number of hate groups (carefully documented by the Southern Poverty Law Center).
Similarly gun sales head upward, and the NRA profits, after every incidence of someone who never should have had a gun killing a number of innocent people.
Clinton's comments are not aimed at these fringe groups. They are aimed at everyone else: we need societal shaming and shunning, along with many other structural things, to slowly eradicate this ugly but persistent American brand of hatred.
Similarly gun sales head upward, and the NRA profits, after every incidence of someone who never should have had a gun killing a number of innocent people.
Clinton's comments are not aimed at these fringe groups. They are aimed at everyone else: we need societal shaming and shunning, along with many other structural things, to slowly eradicate this ugly but persistent American brand of hatred.
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It is time for Mr. Trump to use his big mouth to shut down the Alt-Right. The U.S is a multi cultural society that is strong and vibrant. Alternatively, we can all go back to our nations of origin returning the land to the original owners- American Indians.
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Hillary Clinton: Trump is a bigot.
Donald Trump: Clinton is a bigot.
Yes you are.
No I'm not.
Yes you are.
No I'm not.
So glad Hillary is engaging in such lofty intellectual discourse with her opponent.
Donald Trump: Clinton is a bigot.
Yes you are.
No I'm not.
Yes you are.
No I'm not.
So glad Hillary is engaging in such lofty intellectual discourse with her opponent.
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DCBarrister- your nom de plume would indicate that you should know something about verbal and written arguments. Although your comment would appear to make a nice joke. the reality is that being a racist is no joke and Hillary has provided plenty of evidence to make her case against Trump, who remains willing to use racist rhetoric and hire known racist advisers. He does NOT disavow the support of known racist organizations. The most deplorable finding is that there are so many racists in this nation, as revealed by his depressing 40% support.
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Takes two to argue. Trump is going to get his clock cleaned on this one.
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DC, in a letter to this paper this week you railed about how you are the descendant of slaves, how you admire Martin Luther King, and yet you are making a snide joke here about YOUR candidate who is in thick with white supremacists.
I have long suspected that you are a pretender. Your CV that you post here ad nauseum is suspect. But if you really are a black man, how you can support Donald Trump who is the sweetheart of David Duke, the KKK, and the entire alt-right community leaves us shaking our heads.
I have long suspected that you are a pretender. Your CV that you post here ad nauseum is suspect. But if you really are a black man, how you can support Donald Trump who is the sweetheart of David Duke, the KKK, and the entire alt-right community leaves us shaking our heads.
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The "Alt-Right" won't be so thrilled when Hillary wins by a landslide in Nov.
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This election cannot be over soon enough.
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Hillary was absolutely right on to call out the alt-right. We should all be informed of the hateful misdeeds, lies, and the bigotry that the alt-right spews. I am glad Hillary showed her chutzpa, and hit that head on...it was the right thing to do. But she should not spend too much more energy on them, rather keep promoting the important issues and ideas that she espouses.
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Well said. It was the right thing to do, and Hillary had to do it. It's atrocious that she, or anyone else with a moral conscience, should have to give attention to this terrifying, insidious fringe of racism that is sadly a part of our global society. But it's a powerful and dangerous organization that, like a vampire, becomes weak and turns to dust in the light of day. Let the light do it's work now.
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"Hillary Clinton's eight-year-old comments during a raw and contentious primary with Barack Obama are providing even more fodder for Donald Trump and his campaign, doubling down on charges of racism and bigotry against the Democratic nominee that Trump has leveled this week on the trail....The video then directly cuts to those remarks, in which Clinton declared that "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act" of 1964.
“It’s as if you are minimizing ‘I Have A Dream,'" Russert is shown telling Clinton, remarking that it appears as though she was calling it a "a nice sentiment, but it took a white president to get blacks to the mountaintop."...A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," Bill Clinton was said to have told Ted Kennedy, recounting that the remark offended the liberal Massachusetts senator. Trump directly invoked the line during his speech Thursday in New Hampshire.
But the video did not stop at just resurrecting the Clintons' past comments, including words from the late Geraldine Ferraro, a Clinton surrogate, who stepped away from the campaign in March after suggesting that Obama had been successful largely because he was black.
The latest broadside comes hours after Clinton accused Trump of...allying himself with the "alt-right...."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clintons-race-hits-on-obama-...
“It’s as if you are minimizing ‘I Have A Dream,'" Russert is shown telling Clinton, remarking that it appears as though she was calling it a "a nice sentiment, but it took a white president to get blacks to the mountaintop."...A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," Bill Clinton was said to have told Ted Kennedy, recounting that the remark offended the liberal Massachusetts senator. Trump directly invoked the line during his speech Thursday in New Hampshire.
But the video did not stop at just resurrecting the Clintons' past comments, including words from the late Geraldine Ferraro, a Clinton surrogate, who stepped away from the campaign in March after suggesting that Obama had been successful largely because he was black.
The latest broadside comes hours after Clinton accused Trump of...allying himself with the "alt-right...."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clintons-race-hits-on-obama-...
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Big deal. The article is about a Trump produced ad/response to Clintons speech criticizing the alt-right embrace of white supremist and white nationalist philosophy and rhetoric. The biased stances of that movement doesn't improve our chances for a fair and equitable society in my opinion.
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There are times when you have to separate the messages from the messenger. Trump and the extreme right wing may say many things you may find objectionable and still spotlight issues that need a serious discussion. Are the USA Border Patrol and the American ranchers being trampled and invaded not to be defended or believed that the Mexican border is a dangerous disaster of drug smuggling and crime? Are the many thousands of American residents who stood in line and paid their fees and taxes to be laughed at for not just jumping the border? Can you really stomach Hillary promising large numbers of new Muslim immigrants when we see what it has done to Europe? And finally is it not racism for Hillary to support "Black Lives Matter" when their membership has called for police disobedience, violence and condoned rioting and interfering with the right of other citizens to political party meetings? How about the fact that the Black community representing 13% of the population makes up 40% of all violent crime and 50% of all murders according to the DOJ, with Black on White crime 2x White on Black crime so is that not terrorism against Whites and Latinos? The level of lying by Hillary after erasing 30,000 emails and Obama's recent admission that he "Ransomed" for 400 million in cash our hostages given directly to the evil Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which by the way is against the law, is that just a "so what" in your book? Time for some even handed real journalism for a change.
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Good grief, get over the email propaganda its over and never was the ace in the hole you all tried to make it. You know nothing about the Mexican border, if you did you would rethink what you are writing. That crime you talk about, well alot of it is coming from this side of the border. The ranchers whose property you say is being destroyed by illegals crossing. Well see ICE used Imminent Domain and alot of these ranchers had huge chunks of land taken away to build a wall that was never finished and is completely flawed. Alot like what you wrote.
Here's a thought... do you ever think we'll see politicians from any of the political parties that actually act in a grown-up manner and discuss the issues in an intelligent manner?
'Cause at 62 years old it sure doesn't seem like it will happen in my lifetime. Both Dem's and 'Publicans are an absolute disgrace. Although Mr. Trump isn't really a politician he falls into the previous sentence as well.
We need to get away from politics as usual. I think everyone can agree with that. Will Hillary be the one to lead the way? I doubt it. How about the Donald? He's about as far from "usual" as one can be. But is he the one to lead the way in our country? Doubt that as well.
We have 2 disgraceful choices. But after seeing what I have seen in the political world for 44 years (as an adult) I'm ready for an about face.
'Cause at 62 years old it sure doesn't seem like it will happen in my lifetime. Both Dem's and 'Publicans are an absolute disgrace. Although Mr. Trump isn't really a politician he falls into the previous sentence as well.
We need to get away from politics as usual. I think everyone can agree with that. Will Hillary be the one to lead the way? I doubt it. How about the Donald? He's about as far from "usual" as one can be. But is he the one to lead the way in our country? Doubt that as well.
We have 2 disgraceful choices. But after seeing what I have seen in the political world for 44 years (as an adult) I'm ready for an about face.
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You are so right, Billy. But real change will never occur so Lon as the media continue to profit from partisan rancor... Do away with the primaries, which do no nothing other than allow the fringe nuts to assert themselves, and go back to the "real" conventions, where the parties are required to put forth their best candidates for the electorate to pick and choose from... The failure of the press in particular to do its job is disgusting... Partisan screeds and click bait rants are all we get... Economists give us political lectures... What arrogance... What hollow-headed priggish stupidity...
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Hillary is a policy wonk and has been her entire life. I bet she would love to discuss policy issues but sadly, Donald is a name caller not a substantive policy person. (Example, now he is realizing that he cannot feasibly round up and deport all illegal immigrants hers as Jeb and other tried to tell him.)
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You don't ignore hate. If you're Hillary, you call it out and challenge it. If you're Donald Trump, you have been embracing it for a year. And if you try to get by now with winks and coded language while giving lip service to beliefs and actions that are right wing but not always explicitly hate-based, you will get called out by Hillary. And it is up to us, the voters, to be intelligent enough to recognize hate where it lives and to know that Donald Trump is happy to live there.
On a related note, it was interesting to see Nigel Farage come visit us with his Brexit message, which is interesting considering that Mississippi does not appear to be planning to leave the USA. Unfortunately, while Farage left England to figure out how to clean up the Brexit mess without him, it is not obvious that Donald Trump would choose to leave the USA to clean up his mess of hatred and intolerance without him. No, I think that Trump will stay on to make it worse and worse, either as president (God help us all - the GOP certainly won't) or as the increasingly angry voice of our political right.
So, can we turn back hatred here? Hopefully yes, or least we can start, by making Hillary our president and flipping the Senate. And maybe we can encourage the moderate middle, Democrats and Republicans, to take back our country from the extremists who will transform it to a fearful, hateful and dangerous nation for both our citizens and the other countries of the world.
On a related note, it was interesting to see Nigel Farage come visit us with his Brexit message, which is interesting considering that Mississippi does not appear to be planning to leave the USA. Unfortunately, while Farage left England to figure out how to clean up the Brexit mess without him, it is not obvious that Donald Trump would choose to leave the USA to clean up his mess of hatred and intolerance without him. No, I think that Trump will stay on to make it worse and worse, either as president (God help us all - the GOP certainly won't) or as the increasingly angry voice of our political right.
So, can we turn back hatred here? Hopefully yes, or least we can start, by making Hillary our president and flipping the Senate. And maybe we can encourage the moderate middle, Democrats and Republicans, to take back our country from the extremists who will transform it to a fearful, hateful and dangerous nation for both our citizens and the other countries of the world.
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One person doesn't "legitimize" anything. That's like the age-old excuse of not wanting to teach about birth control because doing so is like condoning it. However, Clinton should be flattered that the fringe group thinks they need her to do what they can't do themselves. That they like the negative attention tells everything you need to know about them.
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Funny that neither Trump nor anyone else in the GOP leadership ever says that they don't want the support of racists. But then again I guess the party that is strongest in the Jim Crow and former slave owning states would have a soft spot for racists.
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Absolutely time to call them out. Most Americans were not aware of the links between Trump campaign and alt-right. It is for American public to decide, not media trying to keep it hash.
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Donald Trump and his father Fred were sued by the federal government in 1973 for discrimination against blacks in renting out housing units -- wouldn't rent units to blacks (14,000 units). The Trump settled.
Seems cut and dried racism.
So many claim racism OK if it is Trump. Birds of a feather…
Seems cut and dried racism.
So many claim racism OK if it is Trump. Birds of a feather…
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Actually, the hatred and bigotry has been blooming since Obama took office, for wasn't that why the "poor downtrodden white men" began the Tea Party? Those folks are pretty much the same group as alt-right, with a harder agenda. And they're crowing day and night now cause they have Trump as their standard bearer.
And they really couldn't attack Obama effectively, for , guess what? -- he's scandal free! But with Hillary, they have a wealth of targets. Whether these are valid or not is not the issue.
And to make matters worse -- to throw even more flame on the fires of hate and fear, Hillary is a woman!
And they really couldn't attack Obama effectively, for , guess what? -- he's scandal free! But with Hillary, they have a wealth of targets. Whether these are valid or not is not the issue.
And to make matters worse -- to throw even more flame on the fires of hate and fear, Hillary is a woman!
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To remain silent in the face of wrong is to enable wrong.
Clinton did what any decent person would do.
Clinton did what any decent person would do.
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Up until yesterday, I never even heard of this group! I am not such if they even have nay credible influence and I hope that it is not yet another 'grand conspiracy theories'. The most grand conspiracy is that many humans are simply gullible, locked into their long-held perceptions and are unwilling to be or look at things objectively.
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That's exactly my point!
It's 10 weeks from election day and the Clinton campaign doesn't have time to introduce the American people to a group nobody heard of until her speech yesterday.
It's 10 weeks from election day and the Clinton campaign doesn't have time to introduce the American people to a group nobody heard of until her speech yesterday.
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White nationalist/supremacist groups have been in existence since the foundation of this country -- And just because they have a new name, doesn't make them new.
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All you have to do is look at their website to know what they're about. Ignorance is definitely not bliss.
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Hillary, great way to acknowledge something that wont go away. Besides the obvious reasons for this speech her handlers are realizing that the Dems are losing an increasingly unsatisfied part of society. The same old nuggets don't resonate anymore the way they used too. I think we are witnessing a major change in perceptions.
Well. The seeds have been planted for a while now. Soon, the sprouts and then the harvest. The second American civil war is coming. Hope that those whose decades-long social engineering, marginalization of the working classes, financial repression and constant drumbeat of verbal abuse of those with opposing views are ready, because let me tell you we are. Sic semper tyrannis!
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That sounds like a threat, especially the words that Booth shouted when he shot Lincoln.
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Civil war? You are no American if you plan on taking on your fellow citizens. I'm just trying to enjoy my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. How dare you threaten me?
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Who said words have no power?
Only the foolhardy ignore virulent racism. For her benefit, and for all, Secretary Clinton did the right thing. Even short-lived hate groups morph; often, into more sophisticated and damaging forms.
Hate is a sickness that festers in the dark. Clinton brought the "Alt-right" to the light of day. Trump is America's dead weight and will be tossed overboard. America will eventually right itself.
I felt no less awe and joy when she was nominated than when President Obama was nominated. She is my candidate and will be my President soon.
(Besides, Bill Clinton will be a gas as the First Gentleman)
James Allen
Hate is a sickness that festers in the dark. Clinton brought the "Alt-right" to the light of day. Trump is America's dead weight and will be tossed overboard. America will eventually right itself.
I felt no less awe and joy when she was nominated than when President Obama was nominated. She is my candidate and will be my President soon.
(Besides, Bill Clinton will be a gas as the First Gentleman)
James Allen
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There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down? - Buffalo Springfield
Here in Washington DC, on Capitol Hill, I am sensing panic from Team Hillary.
Worried that she will not garner Obama-level voter numbers among Black voters, Hillary is abandoning what is a clear policy/experience and knowledge advantage over Donald Trump to engage in race baiting and namecalling.
It is crystal clear that the Clinton Foundation scandal has put Hillary on the defensive, and her response is too cute by half--trying to deflect attention from her deceptions and distrust (even among Democrats) while attempting to smear Trump with a racist label.
Hillary should have challenged Trump to a debate on tax policy, foreign policy or any policy.
Instead she challenged Trump to a namecalling contest.
As I said 15 months ago.
Donald Trump will win a namecalling contest and become the next President of the United States.
Hillary had better get back on message, or this thing is over.
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down? - Buffalo Springfield
Here in Washington DC, on Capitol Hill, I am sensing panic from Team Hillary.
Worried that she will not garner Obama-level voter numbers among Black voters, Hillary is abandoning what is a clear policy/experience and knowledge advantage over Donald Trump to engage in race baiting and namecalling.
It is crystal clear that the Clinton Foundation scandal has put Hillary on the defensive, and her response is too cute by half--trying to deflect attention from her deceptions and distrust (even among Democrats) while attempting to smear Trump with a racist label.
Hillary should have challenged Trump to a debate on tax policy, foreign policy or any policy.
Instead she challenged Trump to a namecalling contest.
As I said 15 months ago.
Donald Trump will win a namecalling contest and become the next President of the United States.
Hillary had better get back on message, or this thing is over.
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Then there's the last verse...
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
Probably most descriptive of today's politics.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
Probably most descriptive of today's politics.
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DCBarrister
Have you seen the polls lately?
538, Princeton election consortium, and others have Hillary up in enough states to win well over 270 Electoral College votes.
Nobody is panicking, but nobody is taking anything for granted.
Have you seen the polls lately?
538, Princeton election consortium, and others have Hillary up in enough states to win well over 270 Electoral College votes.
Nobody is panicking, but nobody is taking anything for granted.
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The wisdom of a Trump University grad.
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Hillary is doing the right thing, the ethical thing, the fair warning thing for this country by raising the "Alt-Right" and "Pro-Trump" dangers. Every time now, since Trump is running his show, it is clear that America is a very sick patient. Too many here of these 330 million people are loaded with guns, have little or no education, can't find a job, think too highly of themselves ("I am an American") and look down on anybody with an accent, a skin color, or a non-Christian religion. We are sinking big time and, again, this should be brought out of the smelly shadows of what once was a great country.
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I am so naïve, I did not know what a Breitbart was until they joined forces with Trump. I did not know what an alt-right was either until they joined forces with Trump. All I can think after looking at what those folks say and think is ewwwww.
What happened to the republican party. Looks like a hostile takeover. I do not even see Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell in the clown car no more. They either got thrown out or are hiding.
What happened to the republican party. Looks like a hostile takeover. I do not even see Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell in the clown car no more. They either got thrown out or are hiding.
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It's tough to keep up, but it seems that Trump has gained favor, wanted or not, with remarkably diverse parts of the political spectrum. These include part of the conventional Republican Party; some Evangelicals, Mormons and Tea Partyers; Russian hackers and Putin; Julian Assange; David Duke; the American Nazi Party; and, most recently, the alt-right,
Nobody could make that up.
Nobody could make that up.
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@Stan. Gotta eliminate Mormons from that group. Hillary is competitive in Utah because Mormons are, by and large, afraid of the orange bigot.
I strongly support Mrs. Clinton for this speech and hope that it just the beginning of her relentless highlighting of Trump's vile and pernicious attitudes. The media seems to want to take seriously Trump's current attempts to rebrand himself as "not THAT racist after all," simply because he's saying certain humane sounding words that were written for him by his handlers.
Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, is reminding the country that Trump is a liar, a racist and a danger to the free world, regardless of the spin-of-the-day. Let the Alt-Right enjoy their moment of publicity, because as long as Mrs. Clinton continues to fearlessly call them out, and I hope she will, they don't stand a chance.
Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, is reminding the country that Trump is a liar, a racist and a danger to the free world, regardless of the spin-of-the-day. Let the Alt-Right enjoy their moment of publicity, because as long as Mrs. Clinton continues to fearlessly call them out, and I hope she will, they don't stand a chance.
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That was the most impassioned speech I've heard Mrs. Clinton give, and it was high time she called bigotry by its name. I don't really care what the Alt-R says or believes; it's us or them. Trump has not changed and probably is incapable of changing. So, whatever words are put in his mouth do not matter. His supporters figured that out weeks ago. Now it is time for the centrist-progressive-liberal voters to insist on calling a Trump a Trump. He is a bigot, a liar, and a racist who means no good to minorities of any kind.
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Getting a bit carried away aren't we? I don't think Hillary or Donald have any right to mouth off over anyone or any group. They both have their share of issues. They both are a disgrace to the political system. It's truly a choose your poison scenario.
By throwing Hillary's mud right back at her, Donald Trump battled Hillary and the entire news media to a stalemate.
So the goal of playing the race card to avoid dealing with the Clinton Foundation email scandal is an epic fail. And worse, it's reminding voters that Hillary was the bigot in 2008, which is collateral damage inflicted by the Trump campaign.
All in all, another good week for Team Trump.
So the goal of playing the race card to avoid dealing with the Clinton Foundation email scandal is an epic fail. And worse, it's reminding voters that Hillary was the bigot in 2008, which is collateral damage inflicted by the Trump campaign.
All in all, another good week for Team Trump.
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"All in all, another good week for Team Trump."
I always wondered what happened to Baghdad Bob. Mystery solved.
I always wondered what happened to Baghdad Bob. Mystery solved.
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When I was in radio I did a few interviews with leaders of White Supremacist groups. Some people criticized me for giving them publicity. I believe now, what I believed then. Slimy and toxic things grow better in the dark. They never do as well when exposed to sunlight and verbal bleach.
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Shame on the white Republicans boys in Congress nurturing and tolerating ideas of white supremacy, fascism, antisemitism and hatred.
They are not men, just cowards, hiding behind the monster they created: Trump. It is a reflection of years of seething rage for having a black President and allowing the dark rage to flourish.
This is their golden boy with orange hair and mountains of narcissism. They will get theirs!
They are not men, just cowards, hiding behind the monster they created: Trump. It is a reflection of years of seething rage for having a black President and allowing the dark rage to flourish.
This is their golden boy with orange hair and mountains of narcissism. They will get theirs!
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"...Mr. Cohen said, noting that the alt-right ideology opposes the notion that all people are equal."
Then that fits perfectly with neoconservative Hillary Clinton's ideology since she doesn't think Palestinians are equal or even human.
Then that fits perfectly with neoconservative Hillary Clinton's ideology since she doesn't think Palestinians are equal or even human.
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The Alt-Right might be joyful after Hillary's speech, the general public not so much.
What is truly disheartening, though, is to read the New York Times attempt to be their cheerleader. This article is a disgrace by any metric. Of what purpose is it to help elevate a group of racist thugs who want nothing more than to ethnically cleanse this country of anyone they deem "unfit"?
I am ashamed today to be a subscriber.
The problem with our politics is the problem with our press. It is a rudderless raft on a tumultuous sea, and it threatens to bring down the entire Republic with it's inability to stand up for the essential principles of a democracy.
What is truly disheartening, though, is to read the New York Times attempt to be their cheerleader. This article is a disgrace by any metric. Of what purpose is it to help elevate a group of racist thugs who want nothing more than to ethnically cleanse this country of anyone they deem "unfit"?
I am ashamed today to be a subscriber.
The problem with our politics is the problem with our press. It is a rudderless raft on a tumultuous sea, and it threatens to bring down the entire Republic with it's inability to stand up for the essential principles of a democracy.
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Sounding the alarm for the alt-right and their endorsement of Trump is certainly not "cheer leading." It should be a wake up call to the horror that the GOP has become.
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I agree. The real story is Trump's embrace of these disgusting people and their movement of ignorance and discrimination. Yet somehow the Times casts Clinton's speech as a misstep giving credibility to them? Why give that twisted line of thinking any credibility? The altright laps that right up. It latches onto her mention of them as lending stature, which in fact is what the Times is doing tenfold when it publishes garbage like this, the equivalent of cable news airtime-filling drivel.
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The Trump campaign is trying to make it easy for nervous suburban whites to vote for him by pretending to make overtures to the black and Hispanic community, while at the same time indulging in the sickest form of racism and misogyny. Good for Clinton for calling him out on it.
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Alt-right is an equal-opportunity hate group. They hate everyone except straight white people. Hillary is right to call them out and right to question Donald Trump for currying their support. She neglected only to excoriate the Republican Party for their wink wink failure to denounce these crypto-fascists because they might get a few of their votes.
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Of course Hillary is right to show with their own words what they are. And they'll keep blasting away at that foundation doing those blasted charitable works. And those zillions of emails that have become a full employment program for Judicial Watch — lots of stuff there to fill up the bandwidth. This election is an intelligence test of our nation.
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Speaker Paul Ryan, the third person in line to the presidency of the United States, along with the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, and many other leading Republican Senators, Representatives, Governors, etc. are actively supporting the alt-right party of Mr. Trump.... Yes, that ought to sound scary.
To "win" power at any cost, as long as the cost is not their own, deserves no respect nor voter support.
To "win" power at any cost, as long as the cost is not their own, deserves no respect nor voter support.
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I hope Hillary stops taking the bait every time the right wing talking heads throw something out there. One of my major disappointments of Obama, was his administration feeling like no matter what the right threw out there, he had to defend it. The right is desperate, and to answer their every lunacy wastes time and gives the non-valid insinuations unnecessary weight.
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President Obama's recent plea to Ryan and McConnell to renounce obviously “unfit" Trump really crystallizes what the essence of GOP obstructionism is all about. These guys have not ever and cannot now countenance a black man in the White House (racism straight up) and are the prime engineers of remarkably crass politics. Their contrived mealymouthed pleas for civility in politics rings hollow when they were both active members of a group of senior GOP leaders who in 2009 met during Obama's inauguration to plot to literally sabotage Obama’s presidency. These senior GOP members (including Gingrich) strategized to bring congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the economy by pledging to obstruct and block Obama on all legislation regardless of merit. This skullduggery emerged into a GOP party of "NO" where the extreme acrimony of the current absurd political theatre took root. Ryan and McConnell are shameful and shameless hypocrites.
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There are many reasons to vote for Trump. One is simply not to vote for Hil. And there are many, like myself, who are lean mor left than our fellow Republicans, who are educated and hopely thinking people. The Democratic party has become so radical that the entire ship of state risks capsizing to port (the left side of the boat, for those who are wondering).
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I'm sorry but I don't think an educated person would use a phrase like "hopely thinking."
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Democrat (ic) Party says it all. There are no reasons to vote for Trump. he is unqualified and the ONLY thing he cares about is himself
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The Democratic party of today is no more radical than Dwight Eisenhower.
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As a father of four bi-racial children who have faced a level of bigotry and hatred that I never experienced as a child of immigrant parents, Clinton's denouncement of Trump's dystopian campaign fueled by racial hate is incredibly important.
Many here have commented that Clinton's remarks are needless and give credence to fringe groups that would otherwise not have any traction were it not for her calling them out; I say to you, look upon the face of a child who has been bullied on a playground with chants of "Trump! Trump! Trump!", or in a school auditorium during a basketball game, and tell me if you think it matters how "real" a white-supremacist group is within the context of our political debate.
Trump's campaign has cast dark shadow across America, allowing hate to show its face in many forms with complete impunity, making racist behavior of varying degrees "normal" in so many contexts. Calling him out -- and the groups that he harbors and uses as his "silent" base -- was the right thing to do, if for no other reason than to prove to the disaffected children of America that have been bulllied that the political leadership of this country has not forgotten them, that it is not ok, that their cause is not an unimportant one.
Hillary Clinton has many faults and there was nothing smart about doing this from so many angles. But, I thank her for giving my children something to cling to in the midst of all the hate they have seen in these last few months.
Many here have commented that Clinton's remarks are needless and give credence to fringe groups that would otherwise not have any traction were it not for her calling them out; I say to you, look upon the face of a child who has been bullied on a playground with chants of "Trump! Trump! Trump!", or in a school auditorium during a basketball game, and tell me if you think it matters how "real" a white-supremacist group is within the context of our political debate.
Trump's campaign has cast dark shadow across America, allowing hate to show its face in many forms with complete impunity, making racist behavior of varying degrees "normal" in so many contexts. Calling him out -- and the groups that he harbors and uses as his "silent" base -- was the right thing to do, if for no other reason than to prove to the disaffected children of America that have been bulllied that the political leadership of this country has not forgotten them, that it is not ok, that their cause is not an unimportant one.
Hillary Clinton has many faults and there was nothing smart about doing this from so many angles. But, I thank her for giving my children something to cling to in the midst of all the hate they have seen in these last few months.
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It is devastating to me that in 2016 such blatant racism not only exists, but is perpetuated by the extremist white hate groups. Bad enough for non-white adults to cope with the hatred & slurs, but tears come into my eyes when I think of the dear innocent children having to put up with this with our political leaders doing nothing to help. Let us hope that Hillary Clinton's baring the facts will be the beginning of the end for such minority treatment.
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Clinton's remarks are much needed, especially at this time.
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Dr. Gupta, is that you?
Anyway, thanks for your perspective on this. I think just ignoring these people and hoping they will go away doesn't work when a major candidate is depending on a base that agrees with their program even if unconscious of what the real outcome of that program's ascendancy would be.
Anyway, thanks for your perspective on this. I think just ignoring these people and hoping they will go away doesn't work when a major candidate is depending on a base that agrees with their program even if unconscious of what the real outcome of that program's ascendancy would be.
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Exposing the alt-right for what it is shines a light on the slimy underbelly of this country, It has been allowed for too long to lurk in the shadows and hide behind a curtain of political expediency thrown up by Republicans desperate to get and hold power. For this election showing the alt-right for what it is will hopefully influence decent voters to shun their candidate.
Of course, Trump's wink-winks to the alt-right is only one reason to deny him the White House. He is disqualified on just about all other grounds as well. We simply cannot have a narcissistic ignoramus with the attention span of a gnat anywhere near the nuclear button.
Of course, Trump's wink-winks to the alt-right is only one reason to deny him the White House. He is disqualified on just about all other grounds as well. We simply cannot have a narcissistic ignoramus with the attention span of a gnat anywhere near the nuclear button.
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Trump and his campaign have generated so many untruths that Factcheck.org declared that in the 12 years since its founding, “we’ve never seen his match.” And that was before this year began.
Trump repeatedly spews false, unsubstantiated or wildly exaggerated assertions — that Mrs. Clinton “slept through” the Benghazi attack (false); that the current administration is financing illegal immigration (false); that it is not vetting refugees from the Middle East (false); that Hillary wants to the abolish the second amendment (false); and that Hillary wants to raise taxes on the middle class (false).
According to Politifact, 19% of Trump's claims are "pants on fire" lies (vs. 2% for Hillary) while a whopping 70% of his claims are mostly false or worse (vs. 27% for Hillary). You could fill a broadcast with the lies the con man has told just since the GOP convention.
Trump repeatedly spews false, unsubstantiated or wildly exaggerated assertions — that Mrs. Clinton “slept through” the Benghazi attack (false); that the current administration is financing illegal immigration (false); that it is not vetting refugees from the Middle East (false); that Hillary wants to the abolish the second amendment (false); and that Hillary wants to raise taxes on the middle class (false).
According to Politifact, 19% of Trump's claims are "pants on fire" lies (vs. 2% for Hillary) while a whopping 70% of his claims are mostly false or worse (vs. 27% for Hillary). You could fill a broadcast with the lies the con man has told just since the GOP convention.
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I disavow the Alt-Right's focus on race because that is just simple-minded, but do agree we need to regulate immigration more strongly. I don't believe ceaseless immigration from the most desperate people in the Third World into our country is going to be make our nation safer, stronger, richer, and more free for us and our families.
Yes, I acknowledge these immigrants themselves are undoubtedly better off here, and so I'm being selfish by putting our interests ahead of their's.
No, I don't believe immigration will peter out on its own until essentially the U.S. is a worse option for immigrants than every other potential place to live and no one wants to come here anymore.
Yes, I acknowledge that most of our ancestors immigrated here, and no I don't believe that all historical policies must be continued indefinitely in the name of a foolish consistency (in any event, immigration was sharply curtailed at the same time the U.S. rose to its current international stature during the middle of the 20th century).
Yes, I acknowledge these immigrants themselves are undoubtedly better off here, and so I'm being selfish by putting our interests ahead of their's.
No, I don't believe immigration will peter out on its own until essentially the U.S. is a worse option for immigrants than every other potential place to live and no one wants to come here anymore.
Yes, I acknowledge that most of our ancestors immigrated here, and no I don't believe that all historical policies must be continued indefinitely in the name of a foolish consistency (in any event, immigration was sharply curtailed at the same time the U.S. rose to its current international stature during the middle of the 20th century).
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@mmm
You probably disavow the Alt-Right's focus on race, because you're not a
member of the race they're focusing on.
Ignorance is bliss.
You probably disavow the Alt-Right's focus on race, because you're not a
member of the race they're focusing on.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Hillary's Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has morphed into the Alt-Right.
Ho hum.
Ho hum.
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They're thinly veiled neo-Nazis, calling their website "VDare" (an imitation of "we dare" with a German accent) and an outreach group called "Stormfront". How much closer to "storm troopers" can they get?
Sickening.
Sickening.
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The NYT may want to look into the story in The Guardian of today that Stephen Bannon, CEO of Trump's campaign, has multiple voter registrations in different states. Which side is preparing for election fraud?
Trump clearly surrounds himself with unsavory characters but no surprise, he is one himself. Fortunately, less than 11 weeks to go. Let's hope we never have to see this disgusting man again on TV. But the damage to the fabric of the country has been done.
Trump clearly surrounds himself with unsavory characters but no surprise, he is one himself. Fortunately, less than 11 weeks to go. Let's hope we never have to see this disgusting man again on TV. But the damage to the fabric of the country has been done.
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Richard Spencer: “While Hillary & Co. condemn the alt-right — nonviolent activists seeking social change, largely through a vibrant internet presence ..." A vibrant internet presence, for many of these sites, involves propagating bizarre social theories constructed on inadequately checked factual statements and connecting dots whose connection is tenuous at best. Yes, Hillary Clinton deserves public scrutiny, but to be fair, it must be done fairly, not by 'journalists whose conclusions drive the data they report. (Remember The Real Anita Hill?)
I think that the Southern Poverty Law Center would challenge the claim that these activists are all non-violent. but that leads to a whole other discussion.
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"Social change" seems to have a much broader definition these days. I don't remember it including the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of restoring the crown.
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It is obvious to me that the "alt right" comes from Americas struggles with identity politics. I have never seen such a barrage of race and gender based rethoric through popular media and politicians in my life as in the last decade or so. Also whoever says white supremacists are un-American must not be reading the same history books as I do. The USA was founded as a white supremacist settler colonial state. It's "divine mission" according to the poet Walt Whitman was to "Settle the New World with a noble race". Unlike in South America Americans were even against mixing with natives. Race is at the very heart of why the USA exists.
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To those who say Ms. Clinton should not have "offered a new level of credibility" to the extreme right and should have remained silent I would suggest they look at the history of those who remained silent in the face of extreme racial policies, genocide and ethnic cleansing and ask themselves what were the consequences of their actions!
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Just as long as she is specific about who she labels "Alt Right." The Guardian yesterday tried to claim that all Libertarians, Bitcoin users, Peter Theil and pretty much every person whose person phiosophical outlook or hobby they didn't like was part of the Alt Right.
It is posible to want, even desire personal freedom without being a hate monger. It is possible to have non mainstream values without being anti-american.
I have a friend who is running as a Libertarian candidate for Michigan, for example, who is running because she thinks both the Democrat & Republican parties failed Flint Michigan. I am personnal friends with a Transgendered libertarian who votes democrat, but is a Libertarian because up until recently the Libertarians have been more welcoming to his commnity.
I myself am a Lifelong democrat, who while I don't like Hillary, will probably vote for her, and respect her work on women's issues. That said, I own Bitcoin, sometimes visit 4chan and hacker forums. I am periodically offended by some liberal activists who happily generalize about "white" and "male" while demanding recognition of their own non-uniformity, while still supporting their causes. I am an athiest, a student, and vocally pro-choice, yet earn $7 an hour fundraising for Catholic Charities which is quite vocal about their anti gay, pro life stance.
Politically I could be labeled alt-right, but my most venomous rants are here in the nytimes. Accept that people are complex.
It is posible to want, even desire personal freedom without being a hate monger. It is possible to have non mainstream values without being anti-american.
I have a friend who is running as a Libertarian candidate for Michigan, for example, who is running because she thinks both the Democrat & Republican parties failed Flint Michigan. I am personnal friends with a Transgendered libertarian who votes democrat, but is a Libertarian because up until recently the Libertarians have been more welcoming to his commnity.
I myself am a Lifelong democrat, who while I don't like Hillary, will probably vote for her, and respect her work on women's issues. That said, I own Bitcoin, sometimes visit 4chan and hacker forums. I am periodically offended by some liberal activists who happily generalize about "white" and "male" while demanding recognition of their own non-uniformity, while still supporting their causes. I am an athiest, a student, and vocally pro-choice, yet earn $7 an hour fundraising for Catholic Charities which is quite vocal about their anti gay, pro life stance.
Politically I could be labeled alt-right, but my most venomous rants are here in the nytimes. Accept that people are complex.
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We will deport 11 Million people. We will round them up and we will first take them to a holding facility. We will keep them in a series of 50,000 capacity sport facilities; we will need 220 sites like that. We put them in buses to transport them to the border. We will use a typical 50-passenger bus; we need 220,000 buses. We will make the buses to cross the border via the El Paso-Ciudad Juarez Bridge. We line the buses up on I-10; the buses line will extend for about 2,803 Miles. To make sure they do not escape we chain them to a long chain, one person every two feet; we need a chain 22 Million feet long. At the border the Mexican government process the deported people at the clip of one every five minutes; the processing will take 55 Million minutes, or 916,667 hours or 38,194 days or 105 years. Done! (Note: Later I will compute food, sanitary facilities, medical staff, guards, etc. needed to successfully complete this great project.)
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Hillary's dauntless campaign flack, Robbie Mook, claimed on the Sunday talk shows that Hillary answering questions shouted by reporters as she enters and exits various rallies is NO DIFFERENT than having "a press conference." She's answering the shouted and garbled questions seriatim, he claimed. LOL.
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Those "press' conferences " of Trump are only his way to get on the news. He doesn't answer many questions, he deflects others and he calls people names. Speaking of flacks look on TV for those Trump surrogates who either talk over everybody or look like they are deer caught in the headlights
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Thank you Hillary "Soon To Be President" Clinton. It is important to call out and identify the type of people surrounding the GOP's nominee. They are a dangerous and destructive group. They are the present incarnation of the Know Nothings, the Citizen Councils, the John Birchers, the Limbaugh dittoheads, the Koch's Tea Party and they are indeed very close to power. This reminds me of Philip Roth's "The Plot Against America".
Now will the NYT editors have the courage to call them White Supremacists or merely the Alt-Right. Recall that they labeled torture "enhanced interrogation."
Now will the NYT editors have the courage to call them White Supremacists or merely the Alt-Right. Recall that they labeled torture "enhanced interrogation."
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Sure, I bet the alt right is a "vibrant internet presence." Mein Kampf for dummies. I would say you only have one life, and to spend your time mired in sludge on the net does not seem like a great way to spend it. As for Trump and his supporters, it's not who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes. It's me or your lying ears. He's been bellowing this out long enough that anybody with a pulse knows what he's up to.
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Black lives matter. That sentence all by itself says it all. The sadness comes from having to state it openly instead of just taking it as a given. Of course, while not taking away from the cause of people who have black skin or some variation of that color, it should be "lives matter". The problem is obvious while it would seem the cure is elusive. To me, it is all about history and the nature of humanity. It is well understood how the traumas of the past are forwarded into the future via the education of our children, the unresolved deep feelings and wounds of abuse and the continued repetition of history past. I feel that it is the overwhelmingly painful emotions that are buried within humanity that keep setting the stage for the daily play of abuse. We seem to believe that if we act out the tormenting feelings of the past it will free us of the deep rooted pain versus of course just sitting down with the history and just allowing ourselves to feel the entire array of feelings tied to it so that we no longer need the stage and the repetition of the play. This problem is not just a dark skin issue, it is a human issue. While it should be noticed that people with darker skin colors are being abused, take a deep breath, look with clear eyes at the various abuses around you. Sense the history that is presently on stage right now being acted out in an attempt to free ourselves of the pain inside. Choose to look inside and feel. Where in our history did the abuse begin?
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Anybody who has actually read the many and varied proponents of "alt-right" knows that they are in fact, all over the map with their take on political issues.
I would say that the single underlying consistent theme is certainly harmless enough, and quite compelling: nations should focus almost strictly on the interests of their own citizens. This entails a strict policy with regard to immigration, and an aversion to interference in the affairs of other nations.
This form of nationalism is indeed hard to refute on its merits. This is exactly why smear attacks against the movement are the staple fare of our public discussion by elites who embrace globalism.
Hillary's speech was, accordingly, nothing but a grand assembly of the many sorts of smear tactics always used to quash rational discussion of an important idea anathema to the elites. Even her quote of the "Mexican proverb", "Tell me with whom you walk and I will tell you who you are” is little more than a high sounding rationalization for smearing someone via guilt by association (so reviled once upon a time by the left in McCarthy's era.) Having rendered guilt by association an upstanding method, she proceeds to employ it over and again.
The applause she has received for this tells us much about her ardent supporters.
I would say that the single underlying consistent theme is certainly harmless enough, and quite compelling: nations should focus almost strictly on the interests of their own citizens. This entails a strict policy with regard to immigration, and an aversion to interference in the affairs of other nations.
This form of nationalism is indeed hard to refute on its merits. This is exactly why smear attacks against the movement are the staple fare of our public discussion by elites who embrace globalism.
Hillary's speech was, accordingly, nothing but a grand assembly of the many sorts of smear tactics always used to quash rational discussion of an important idea anathema to the elites. Even her quote of the "Mexican proverb", "Tell me with whom you walk and I will tell you who you are” is little more than a high sounding rationalization for smearing someone via guilt by association (so reviled once upon a time by the left in McCarthy's era.) Having rendered guilt by association an upstanding method, she proceeds to employ it over and again.
The applause she has received for this tells us much about her ardent supporters.
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Wait; did I just miss the hastily-called news conference by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to categorically and unequivocally denounce the alt-Right as un-American and, therefore, unwelcome in the Republican party? Did the House and Senate leaders urge Donald Trump to cut them loose in no uncertain terms? Or is this just a rumor?
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Dangerous crypto-fascists like Trump need to be called out. Good for Hillary
Clinton and her courage.
Clinton and her courage.
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My biggest concern with this speech isn't that Clinton may be legitimizing a group the media would rather pretend doesn't exist. It's that rather than tying this albatross of hate around the necks of the Republican Party as a whole, she is giving cover to those in the GOP who are able to dance around these beliefs without stating them outright. Make no mistake - Trump is simply giving voice to a system of beliefs that has underpinned GOP thought and electoral strategy for forty years. If anything, he's doing a service by doing so, as it reveals how ridiculous such thinking is. The GOP created this Bronze Bull - now is the time to feed them to it so the rest of the nation can move on and join civilization. Giving them a life line instead makes no sense at all if one actually wants to accomplish the things Clinton claims.
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"My biggest concern with this speech isn't that Clinton may be legitimizing a group the media would rather pretend doesn't exist"
Ms Clinton is hardly "legitimizing" anything about alt-right. She's exposing it, much like someone acknowledges that a cancer is growing and he's going to fight it, rather then to pretend it's not invading.
Ms Clinton is hardly "legitimizing" anything about alt-right. She's exposing it, much like someone acknowledges that a cancer is growing and he's going to fight it, rather then to pretend it's not invading.
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GOP was a great party, the party of the great President Lincoln. I am glad that President Lincoln is no longer alive and see what his party stands for today after he fought so hard for equality and the union. Mrs. Clinton did not "tie this albatross of hate around the necks of the Republican Party." GOP has done it themselves by nominating Trump. Make no mistake, Trump's movement is a cancer in GOP and our nation. If it is not excised, it will rot all our souls. Let's shine the bright light of truth on it and hope that we will defeat this beast.
While trying to bring my parents (Republicans both) up to speed on navigating the internet, they eventually asked about news sites. I tried to return the advice they once gave me by saying "don't follow strangers" online. To a somewhat older-generation (i.e., somewhere past 40, let's say) all this talk about "Alt-right" and white nationalists may seem overblown, but everyone I grew up with knows that these "fringe" groups are alive and well.
You don't even need to go to "the internet's dark corners" to find them. Go to youtube and start perusing the comments sections. Just for the fun of it, create a Twitter handle and just start reading what people have to say. Heaven forbid you actually go off the beaten path and find yourself on a true fringe site. The NY Times had a compilation of unfiltered things shouted at Trump rallies that demonstrates just how distasteful the far-right can be, but NOTHING said aloud at a Trump rally compares to what flies around fringe websites under the cover of avatars, screen names, dynamic IPs, etc. It's a totally different level of cult online. Trump and many of his supporters don't understand the nature of such groups. His rhetoric isn't playing with matches, it's playing with a depot full of of napalm-soaked white-phosphorous munitions. If his campaign "succeeds" in courting/summoning the "silent majority" (they are not silent), no amount of "pivoting," "evolving," or "regret" is going to be sufficient. #believeme
You don't even need to go to "the internet's dark corners" to find them. Go to youtube and start perusing the comments sections. Just for the fun of it, create a Twitter handle and just start reading what people have to say. Heaven forbid you actually go off the beaten path and find yourself on a true fringe site. The NY Times had a compilation of unfiltered things shouted at Trump rallies that demonstrates just how distasteful the far-right can be, but NOTHING said aloud at a Trump rally compares to what flies around fringe websites under the cover of avatars, screen names, dynamic IPs, etc. It's a totally different level of cult online. Trump and many of his supporters don't understand the nature of such groups. His rhetoric isn't playing with matches, it's playing with a depot full of of napalm-soaked white-phosphorous munitions. If his campaign "succeeds" in courting/summoning the "silent majority" (they are not silent), no amount of "pivoting," "evolving," or "regret" is going to be sufficient. #believeme
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The battle is raging. ''Holier than thou'' attitudes, whoppers from both sides, and false pretenses seem to be the weapons of mass destruction. The casualties are the listeners, who fondly hope to vote for a worthy candidate, one that is conspicuous by his or her absence.
The voter starts to split hairs and the surrogates keep explaining away the flap-doodle, dished out by the candidates. News analysts invite legal and other astute experts to air unfettered and well filtered data to the viewers. Their ratings tantalizingly teeter-tatter.
Come election day, the voter stares in space and daydreams, before casting his or her vote, based on last minute impulse. Votes are counted. The results? You guys are too impatient.
The voter starts to split hairs and the surrogates keep explaining away the flap-doodle, dished out by the candidates. News analysts invite legal and other astute experts to air unfettered and well filtered data to the viewers. Their ratings tantalizingly teeter-tatter.
Come election day, the voter stares in space and daydreams, before casting his or her vote, based on last minute impulse. Votes are counted. The results? You guys are too impatient.
So you are saying what? Don't vote?
The unholiest alliance isn't between the Republican Party and Donald Trump or Donald Trump and the white supremacists, but between the born again evangelists and the white supremacists. Jesus Saves ( some restrictions apply).
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These groups handful of white men who are losers, wear costumes and pointed hats, and tell each other that they are superior.
If Hillary Clinton thinks these guys are a major issue it brings her judgement into question. She really can be an embarrassment sometimes, and not just when she's lying and taking bribes.
If Hillary Clinton thinks these guys are a major issue it brings her judgement into question. She really can be an embarrassment sometimes, and not just when she's lying and taking bribes.
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These groups have strong links to Trump campaign. That is the problem. Now the call is on American people to make a judgement.
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Nice twist. does it hurt?
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Alt right bumperstickers: Virginia is for Gun Lovers. Impeach Earl Warren ( huh, who was Earl Warren?) Burn the Witch. ( They did a lot of witch burning during the 30 Years War, and alt right are at it again. Nigel Farage a paragon of reactionary vigour, and holy moly, who gave Nigel a visa to open his mouth...oh well we know better Nigel.
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By the numbers:
1619 - the year the future America decided to import slaves
1954 - the first attempt to create a democracy based on racial equality
Surely, the years after the Civil War showed a horrific, seething, nearly unchallenged affection for white supremacy throughout the nation until we began to think, in 1954, about actually abolishing "separate but equal."
2016 - Still reeling from our overdue social revolutions and efforts to embrace equality.
It should be no surprise that the racist, white supremacist subset of the American population is thriving. They never accepted change regarding equality and seem to be missing the empathy gene.
Remember America's virulent, ugly initial responses to the equality revolution (not just about race but gender too)? We are still novices (despite the election of a black president) at this equality concept.
Given that Trump's supporters lack formal and informal education to an alarming extent, it is no doggone wonder that we are still wallowing in fidgety, sloppy, silly white supremacy. The practitioners of it are now having their big moment in the 21st century spotlight.
The upcoming election is about how many Americans are truly ready to move forward and how many enjoy the notion of returning to our vicious roots in white supremacy. The world is watching and wants to know if America has grown up yet.
1619 - the year the future America decided to import slaves
1954 - the first attempt to create a democracy based on racial equality
Surely, the years after the Civil War showed a horrific, seething, nearly unchallenged affection for white supremacy throughout the nation until we began to think, in 1954, about actually abolishing "separate but equal."
2016 - Still reeling from our overdue social revolutions and efforts to embrace equality.
It should be no surprise that the racist, white supremacist subset of the American population is thriving. They never accepted change regarding equality and seem to be missing the empathy gene.
Remember America's virulent, ugly initial responses to the equality revolution (not just about race but gender too)? We are still novices (despite the election of a black president) at this equality concept.
Given that Trump's supporters lack formal and informal education to an alarming extent, it is no doggone wonder that we are still wallowing in fidgety, sloppy, silly white supremacy. The practitioners of it are now having their big moment in the 21st century spotlight.
The upcoming election is about how many Americans are truly ready to move forward and how many enjoy the notion of returning to our vicious roots in white supremacy. The world is watching and wants to know if America has grown up yet.
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Whether it's Hill Dog or the Orange Man, we're doomed either way. Might as well cross these off your bucket list before either one is elected... http://bit.ly/2c00k09
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Right wing propaganda.
Hillary Clinton will be a very good president, will continue improving American economy and American standing in the world.
Hillary Clinton will be a very good president, will continue improving American economy and American standing in the world.
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The smart money says she'll be Impeached by 2018. Her turn this time around.
To be clear, it is Donald Trump who elevated the "Alt-Right" to its present prominent national position by appointing Breitbart.com's Stephen Bannon to the CEO position of the Republican Party's presidential ticket.
Hillary Clinton was merely pointing out the obvious takeover of the Republican Party of "Trumpism," and she was masterful in doing so.
Most of us have known since Donald Trump rose to the top of the Republican Party's primary season that our country is facing a democratic reckoning with the candidacy of Donald Trump, a man whose long business record—and statements made as a presidential candidate—defines American racism.
Is there any bigger story within American society today, other than how the rest of our society's murderous bigotry has created a killing field for our minority communities?
Hillary Clinton was merely pointing out the obvious takeover of the Republican Party of "Trumpism," and she was masterful in doing so.
Most of us have known since Donald Trump rose to the top of the Republican Party's primary season that our country is facing a democratic reckoning with the candidacy of Donald Trump, a man whose long business record—and statements made as a presidential candidate—defines American racism.
Is there any bigger story within American society today, other than how the rest of our society's murderous bigotry has created a killing field for our minority communities?
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Mr. Reyes: I'll tell you what the much, much bigger story is: The unprecedented level of corruption and foreign influence peddling tactics of the Clinton Crime syndicate. That soundly trumps (forgive me) the "murderous bigotry" you mention.
A, how utterly delusional. The vast majority of "minorities" shot are shot by other "minorities."
Supporting legal immigration is not racist. It is sane. Illegal immigration is not tolerated in Japan or Europe. Try to think that through.
With her clumsy politicking, HRC has proven how unqualified she is to be elected to any office, much less president.
Supporting legal immigration is not racist. It is sane. Illegal immigration is not tolerated in Japan or Europe. Try to think that through.
With her clumsy politicking, HRC has proven how unqualified she is to be elected to any office, much less president.
Are 95% (or more) of us so normalized to extreme polarization now that the paradigm is invisible? If the question is intriguing, you can search for "Boxed Up in Political Polarities? Or Watching the Show from Outside the Box? Escape Hatches from Mediated Normalization to 'This' or 'That.'" The author tried, at least, to demystify all this covertly stipulated all-or-nothing / all-right-or-all-wrong / either-or foolishness. Most first-semester "critical thinking" students get it. I think most us can, as well.
I find the accusations of racism by Clinton a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.
For the last few years, all I've heard from the liberal talking heads and establishment leaders is their repetition ad nauseum of "White Privilege" theory, a vicious form of anti-white racism, which is nothing more than a reworking of every vile anti-semitic canard out there.
Ask Ms. Clinton, she made a whole speech condemning “White Privilege” during her nomination campaign, a subject that was notably absent in her speeches to white audiences.
The Fisher v. University of Texas Supreme Court decision, which denies a white girl university admittance based on the color of her skin - a decision, which was roundly applauded in the liberal media.
Anti-white articles in virtually every newspaper, including this one. See Nicholas D. Kristoff’s article “White People are Delusional”.
Can any one of you liberals squawking about right-wing racism dare to imagine how an article entitled “Black People are Delusional”, “Hispanics are Delusional” would play out??
Immigration policies, aimed at making white people a minority in America.
But these things never factor into liberals’ calculations of racism, do they?
Just like the hulabaloo over Trump’s campaign ad showing Hillary Clinton with a gold star and piles of money, which liberals decried as anti-Semitic dog-whistling, yet, curiously, not a peep about Democratic Representative Hank Johnson’s comments comparing Jews to termites.
For the last few years, all I've heard from the liberal talking heads and establishment leaders is their repetition ad nauseum of "White Privilege" theory, a vicious form of anti-white racism, which is nothing more than a reworking of every vile anti-semitic canard out there.
Ask Ms. Clinton, she made a whole speech condemning “White Privilege” during her nomination campaign, a subject that was notably absent in her speeches to white audiences.
The Fisher v. University of Texas Supreme Court decision, which denies a white girl university admittance based on the color of her skin - a decision, which was roundly applauded in the liberal media.
Anti-white articles in virtually every newspaper, including this one. See Nicholas D. Kristoff’s article “White People are Delusional”.
Can any one of you liberals squawking about right-wing racism dare to imagine how an article entitled “Black People are Delusional”, “Hispanics are Delusional” would play out??
Immigration policies, aimed at making white people a minority in America.
But these things never factor into liberals’ calculations of racism, do they?
Just like the hulabaloo over Trump’s campaign ad showing Hillary Clinton with a gold star and piles of money, which liberals decried as anti-Semitic dog-whistling, yet, curiously, not a peep about Democratic Representative Hank Johnson’s comments comparing Jews to termites.
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Yes, I'm sure the "Alt-right" is thrilled to be called out. Trolls live for the reaction. The facts don't matter, being right or wrong don't matter, getting noticed is all that matters to the troll. These are adults who have migrated from Minecraft to Reddit and who have virtually no connection to the culture they comment on.
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The alt-right, like their führer , can't help but take the bait. the resulting attention will only serve Clinton's goal of tying Trump's candidacy to them and thereby denying him any benefit from his muddled attempt at moderation. well played. sunlight is the best disinfectant and here it will work wonders for these folks are legitimately despicable.
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Alt-right = fascists, skinheads, Nazis. Let's not mince words.
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Come on. There is no alt-right. There are white supremacists, xenophobes, fascists - aka the Fash. The GOP still secretly hopes to keep them inside its not-so-big tent. Seems that in this election they all will indeed be cozy right in there together.
And then there's the horror of Hillary Clinton, who almost certainly will be elected to prosecute more of the same policies and practices that have gotten the world into the daunting mess we're in. Neither of the party power centers have any answers at all. We are lost.
Will the civil war raging on the web spill into the streets? It's probably a good idea to find your family - and that doesn't mean your blood relations.
And then there's the horror of Hillary Clinton, who almost certainly will be elected to prosecute more of the same policies and practices that have gotten the world into the daunting mess we're in. Neither of the party power centers have any answers at all. We are lost.
Will the civil war raging on the web spill into the streets? It's probably a good idea to find your family - and that doesn't mean your blood relations.
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Went to one of the factories on Tuesday -- PA. These people are mad -- and they don't like being grouped together ... they keep talking about suburban women ... I'm not seeing too many HRC friends in Bucks County.
HRC is rallying the tropes .. alright .. the other sides
HRC is rallying the tropes .. alright .. the other sides
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Blaming Secretary Clinton for denouncing the fascists who have have taken over the GOP is badly misguided --- like blaming the prosecutor for a crime wave.
Why have the so-called conservatives handed their party over to dangerous extremists?
Why do they tolerate the intolerance, racism, misogyny and white male entitlement of fascists?
Why have the so-called conservatives handed their party over to dangerous extremists?
Why do they tolerate the intolerance, racism, misogyny and white male entitlement of fascists?
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"Don't make an issue of it", was what the young Jews of my generation were told by our elders. Don't talk about anti-semtism. It'll just make it worse. So, except for a few 'troublemakers", we didn't. And it got worse. Lots worse.
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Oh, how tragic. And how true.
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Mr. Taylor isn't honest enough to admit we all came out of Africa.
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Where have all the republican senators and congressmen gone?
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50 years ago a clown like trump would have been laughed off th stage
today, he might be president
what this demonstrates so vividly is how far america has sunk as a society
and if you think youve hit bottom w trump, how wrong you are
there will be more trumps, and worse
th era of america as a serious functioning nation is over
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One cannot reason with the unreasonable. We will never be able to convince those in the Alt-Right that their ideologies are based on falsehoods. They will believe what they want to believe no matter what evidence or arguments are brought up. So what is the solution? We can't ignore them like we used to because their ability to threaten us politically has become much more real. We can't argue with them as it lends their argument credibility. We can't shout them down as it would bring us down to their level. We can't use force because we can't ask them to respect our rights if we don't respect theirs. The only thing to do is vote. We will have to put up with cries of voter fraud and a lot of gnashing of teeth, maybe even some violence. But, in the end, we must endure this monstrous movement and not let it overwhelm our society. Get out and vote people.
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Would the Birch Society be of the alt-right? Will or has Koch money flowed there?
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Attention-starved, Ideologically malignant, and behaviorally stunted ignoramuses, and proud of it. Behold the Republican base.
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Smart move by Clinton, for reasons barely addressed in this article or the comments.
In general, focusing only on the extremists among your ideological opposition is not strategically smart, because it marginalizes the opposing moderates and actually normalizes the radicals.
But by boosting Republican moderates while shining a spotlight on the still-not-very-powerful alt, Clinton is wisely trying to drive a wedge between moderate and extremist Republicans. This pulls more people into the Democratic coalition or its tacitly supportive penumbra.
Clinton can win substantial presidential support this way. But I'm not sure it will have any impact on local elections.
In general, focusing only on the extremists among your ideological opposition is not strategically smart, because it marginalizes the opposing moderates and actually normalizes the radicals.
But by boosting Republican moderates while shining a spotlight on the still-not-very-powerful alt, Clinton is wisely trying to drive a wedge between moderate and extremist Republicans. This pulls more people into the Democratic coalition or its tacitly supportive penumbra.
Clinton can win substantial presidential support this way. But I'm not sure it will have any impact on local elections.
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if the political party you are a member of,and support,has a presidential candidate that is also supported by the KKK,neo nazis,white supremacists,and folks like david duke,alex jones,you need to ask yourself,is this the party i want to belong to?
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Are you talking about Robert Byrd?
Hillary Clinton did more than denounce the Alt-Right or Fringe Right wing, etc.
Hillary Clinton gave a tremendous speech yesterday that was a scathing indictment of the type of campaign Donald Trump has been running from day one, and it's also a clarion call to the Republican party that cannot be dismissed.
I can only relate Hillary's speech today to one other time in history, when Edward R. Murrow aired his program "See It Now" and exposed Joseph McCarthy to the American people which began his downfall.
We are lucky in this country to have seen this type of demagoguery before and it isn't too late to repudiate Trump and this group of haters that have found comfort in his words of bigotry.
Hillary Clinton made it clear, this isn't a partisan Democrat, Republican or Independent issue, it's an American issue and everything this country stands for since the beginning of our founding.
Hillary Clinton gave a tremendous speech yesterday that was a scathing indictment of the type of campaign Donald Trump has been running from day one, and it's also a clarion call to the Republican party that cannot be dismissed.
I can only relate Hillary's speech today to one other time in history, when Edward R. Murrow aired his program "See It Now" and exposed Joseph McCarthy to the American people which began his downfall.
We are lucky in this country to have seen this type of demagoguery before and it isn't too late to repudiate Trump and this group of haters that have found comfort in his words of bigotry.
Hillary Clinton made it clear, this isn't a partisan Democrat, Republican or Independent issue, it's an American issue and everything this country stands for since the beginning of our founding.
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When Reagan announced his candidacy for the 1980 Presidency, he, quite coincidentally, did it in a small town in Mississippi close by where it just happened to be the location where the three civil rights activists were assassinated in the 1960s. Aside from the southern strategy, when it came to Reagans announcement, if there was any doubt going forward about where the Republicans racist tendencies attitudes were then and now, that announcement and its location pretty much eliminated any doubts whatsoever.
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It wasn't coincidental, it was deliberate and a loud dog whistle to all the Southerners who were feeling betrayed by the Dems of the time.
Ctrl, alt, shift, del, asterisk right- whatever. Racist by any other name, is still a racist.
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Even Glenn Beck is "terrified" of Trump and the alt-right. Where is the out rage from those dubbed into supporting him?
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This is all the fault of the mainstream Republican Party....in a case of "be careful of what you ask for"
When Obama was elected President as a change agent, it was the mainstream Republicans. lead by Mitch McConnell, that refused to work with the Democrats on anything. They were obstructionists to the highest degree. Since they didn't deliver anything to their conservative constituency, the Tea Party arose in 2010, as an alternative change agent led by people like Michelle Bachmann and Steve King. Part of their rhetoric was to "take their country back" which is code for nationalism and racism. That group attached itself to Trumpism which started with and added in Birtherism, further demonstration of racism. The continued obstructionism by the now Republican Congress led to more discord and less being done. The result was anger and resentment by many in the working class who then flocked to new "agents of change" -Sanders and Trump, who between them garnered quite a following of people that wanted change for the sake of change. Trump survived the primaries and the rest is history....but the origin and source of this ALT-Right movement can be traced to mainstream Republicans who refused to acknowledge Obama as the president.
When Obama was elected President as a change agent, it was the mainstream Republicans. lead by Mitch McConnell, that refused to work with the Democrats on anything. They were obstructionists to the highest degree. Since they didn't deliver anything to their conservative constituency, the Tea Party arose in 2010, as an alternative change agent led by people like Michelle Bachmann and Steve King. Part of their rhetoric was to "take their country back" which is code for nationalism and racism. That group attached itself to Trumpism which started with and added in Birtherism, further demonstration of racism. The continued obstructionism by the now Republican Congress led to more discord and less being done. The result was anger and resentment by many in the working class who then flocked to new "agents of change" -Sanders and Trump, who between them garnered quite a following of people that wanted change for the sake of change. Trump survived the primaries and the rest is history....but the origin and source of this ALT-Right movement can be traced to mainstream Republicans who refused to acknowledge Obama as the president.
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The term, 'alt' is a misnomer that can pave the slippery slope to normalization of extreme racist, misogynist and violent views. There is nothing 'alternative' about their bigotry and hate.
These people are part of a hate movement. They incite and enact hate crimes.
Donald Trump's campaign fuels them and as such, should be considered a hate group, not a legitimate political campaign.
How did the Nazis come to power? They used legal, political means.
We are in the same fix now and we have to use language which reveals not obscures the serious danger that these hate groups pose.
These people are part of a hate movement. They incite and enact hate crimes.
Donald Trump's campaign fuels them and as such, should be considered a hate group, not a legitimate political campaign.
How did the Nazis come to power? They used legal, political means.
We are in the same fix now and we have to use language which reveals not obscures the serious danger that these hate groups pose.
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Just one more thought: I'm appalled that Republican leaders with this sobering evidence at hand have not repudiated Trump and Bannon altogether. Here I disagree with Clinton: the Republicans' continued support for their presidential candidate reveals something profound about people like Ryan (for all his protestations to the contrary) and McConnell, who stated during Obama's first term in office that the Republican's main goal was to defeat Obama in 2012. We shouldn't be surprised, then, to see Trump as Republican standard bearer embracing the extreme right.
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This seems to me like typical Frank Lutz wordsmithing,
These people aren't just a key stroke on a keyboard; they are dangerous, They should be called and called out for what they truly are ;
KKK
Skinheads
White power nationalists
Xenophobes
Racists
Trump Supporters.
The last one is the most dangerous of all because he could have the most powerful job in the world in a few months. He could also end our world out of pique the same day.
These people aren't just a key stroke on a keyboard; they are dangerous, They should be called and called out for what they truly are ;
KKK
Skinheads
White power nationalists
Xenophobes
Racists
Trump Supporters.
The last one is the most dangerous of all because he could have the most powerful job in the world in a few months. He could also end our world out of pique the same day.
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Both sides have now reached despicable, immature and unfortunately frightening lows in this campaign. Mrs. Clinton is not a bigot as Mr. Trump absurdly claimed. Nor is Mr. Trump even remotely associated with or sympathetic to white supremacy. Fringe elements support each of them, just as fringe elements supported Mr. Obama. If both campaigns continue down this road they are never going to address the real issues and challenges faced by the American people. Both candidates are trying to get votes by scaring the people into thinking that their opponent is the embodiment of evil. By so doing, both campaigns abandon any right to claim the moral high ground. How sad.
While they are busy making ridiculous accusations against each other they divert attention away from our unbalanced economy, the plight of our disadvantaged citizens, our educational system, our national security, our infrastructure and countless other issues.
While they call each other names, the homeless beg outside Grand Central Station.
While they are busy making ridiculous accusations against each other they divert attention away from our unbalanced economy, the plight of our disadvantaged citizens, our educational system, our national security, our infrastructure and countless other issues.
While they call each other names, the homeless beg outside Grand Central Station.
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Sorry, gene, but you are on a different planet, I fear.
" Nor is Mr. Trump even remotely associated with or sympathetic to white supremacy." Res ipsa loquitur. I type slowly and need not waste my time selecting from thousands of examples of his hatred.
"If both campaigns continue down this road they are never going to address the real issues and challenges faced by the American people." Clinton, whatever her failings, has been talking substance since day 1. Trump by contrast has never offered a coherent vision of anything. And if the campaign goes down the tubes, it will be because Trump's invective cannot go unanswered.
" Nor is Mr. Trump even remotely associated with or sympathetic to white supremacy." Res ipsa loquitur. I type slowly and need not waste my time selecting from thousands of examples of his hatred.
"If both campaigns continue down this road they are never going to address the real issues and challenges faced by the American people." Clinton, whatever her failings, has been talking substance since day 1. Trump by contrast has never offered a coherent vision of anything. And if the campaign goes down the tubes, it will be because Trump's invective cannot go unanswered.
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This post is absurd, and insupportable. Donald Trump has just hired as the leader of his campaign the designer and leader of Breitbart, a website devoted to promoting white supremacist views. It's there, on the Internet, for all to see. How you can say, "Nor is Mr. Trump even remotely associated with or sympathetic to white supremacy," with any kind of seriousness is a mystery to me.
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I appreciate your fair-minded approach, Gene, and your emphasis on collective problems, but Trump is personally culpable. No less a Trump supporter than Paul Ryan admitted that Trump insinuating a Mexican-American judge could not do his job was the definition of racism. Trump dragged his heels in denouncing David Duke, first lying that he did not know Duke, then lying that he had poor earpieces, then giving an annoyed statement. Trump spent years on the ludicrous claim that President Obama's birth certificate is fake. Trump just used the worst caricatures to describe the lives of black people and concluded that they have nothing to lose with him.
So yes, let's work on national issues, but we can only do that with leaders who don't pit us against one another.
So yes, let's work on national issues, but we can only do that with leaders who don't pit us against one another.
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So Richard Spencer coined the "alt-right" name. What did he do, look down at his keyboard and pick two keys at random? I guess they could have wound up being the "hyphens" or the "semicolons" or the "num-locks" ...
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The NYT conveniently conflates white supremacy with the anti-globalism of the Alt-Right. Milo Yiannopoulos, resident genius of the Alt-Right, has made this very clear. But it is almost impossible to get any favourable comments about the Alt-Right published on the NYT site.
Milo has been banned from Twitter, which is no longer a real platform for free speech. But there are very few people who speak truth about our PC culture and our PC government the way Milo does. When people who speak truth are labelled heretics by the establishment, their power grows.
Milo has been banned from Twitter, which is no longer a real platform for free speech. But there are very few people who speak truth about our PC culture and our PC government the way Milo does. When people who speak truth are labelled heretics by the establishment, their power grows.
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Basically, "Alt-Right" is just another name for white supremacists and Hillary Clinton exposed it for what it is, something the mainstream media have failed to do. This article seems to buy into the false notion that the publicity will help
the movement. If that is so, why isn't the Ku Klux Klan more successful? But the real issue here is not whether alt-right will get a boost but its direct connection with a U.S. presidential candidate, Donald Trump. The media seem reluctant to explore that nexus.
the movement. If that is so, why isn't the Ku Klux Klan more successful? But the real issue here is not whether alt-right will get a boost but its direct connection with a U.S. presidential candidate, Donald Trump. The media seem reluctant to explore that nexus.
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Clinton needs to stop attacking Trump and instead focus on the issues and selling HER campaign to voters. We do not need her to point out Trump's faults. Plenty of others in the media and political sphere are handling that. Tell Americans why we should vote for you, Mrs. Clinton, not why we should vote against Trump!
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@mford
I'm not saying it's a North/South thing -- But there are a lot of folks up here who haven't heard of some of these things...and should.
That's why I don't see what's being said so much as an attack, but a wake-up call as to why Americans should think twice before voting for Trump.
I just hope the media doesn't give them too much free press.
I'm not saying it's a North/South thing -- But there are a lot of folks up here who haven't heard of some of these things...and should.
That's why I don't see what's being said so much as an attack, but a wake-up call as to why Americans should think twice before voting for Trump.
I just hope the media doesn't give them too much free press.
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The alt-right thing has benefits. Trump now is required to define his relation to fascistic white nationalism (that should be good), the remainder of the Republican Party (e.g. Graham, Ryan, Priebus) must then fish or cut bait with respect to Trump, and the general electorate, better informed as a result, will have a fairly easy decision to make come November, despite even the inevitable October Surprise(s).
Slam dunk.
Slam dunk.
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Why do we have to use the term alt-right when referring to white supremacist?
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I wish I had the time to find the source of this simile, but racism is like a moving walkway at an airport. Simply standing put is allowing racism to proceed unchecked. Walking forward is advancing racism. Only by walking against the current - and faster than that current - can you advance antiracism. Black Lives Matter (though not they alone) walks as fast as it can in the other direction. Most of America stands still. The alt-right walks forward, accelerating American racism.
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If Hillary made a mistake, it was linking the alt-right only to Trump. Her success as President will depend on the makeup and predisposition of the Congress. Failing to tie the party that nominated an extremist absolves Republican candidates for the House and Senate far too easily, giving them undeserved strength in their current campaigns and the upcoming legislative session.
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Agree, backfull! The hypocrites like Ayotte who do not "endorse" Trump but are too much in love with their cushy jobs to DENOUNCE him are as bad as he is.
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The little minds of hate-filled alt-right are undoubtedly filled delight whenever their churlish antics and moronic views garner publicity like this. It empowers them, unintentionally of course, by giving them a possibility that their thoughts and lives will actually matter to those outside of their pitiful world of bigotry and bullying.
Alt-right matters alright, but in ways that would make any sane and decent human blush with shame if he or she were called upon to publicly embrace its hate-filled ideas and measures. In fact, until a mainstream publication like the NYT acknowledged its pitiable existence, alt.right was but a tiny, largely ignored lesion on the rear-end of the body politic of America.
America has always been a fertile place for all sorts of ugly malignancies to form and flourish thanks mainly to our constitutionally enshrined freedom to rant idiotically and hatefully. Because this freedom is accorded to any clown with the 21st Century version of the soap box at the corner of a public park-- i.e., with computerized access to the internet--alt-right and other spewers of bigotry and hate could take root and even thrive in the US. However, if a tiny malignancy like alt-right begins to metastacize thanks to articles like this one, that is a price we must pay if we are to keep our freedoms. Eventually a free press will also expose the truth: that alt-right is a warm and welcoming home for closeted and open racists, xenophobes and bullies alike.
Alt-right matters alright, but in ways that would make any sane and decent human blush with shame if he or she were called upon to publicly embrace its hate-filled ideas and measures. In fact, until a mainstream publication like the NYT acknowledged its pitiable existence, alt.right was but a tiny, largely ignored lesion on the rear-end of the body politic of America.
America has always been a fertile place for all sorts of ugly malignancies to form and flourish thanks mainly to our constitutionally enshrined freedom to rant idiotically and hatefully. Because this freedom is accorded to any clown with the 21st Century version of the soap box at the corner of a public park-- i.e., with computerized access to the internet--alt-right and other spewers of bigotry and hate could take root and even thrive in the US. However, if a tiny malignancy like alt-right begins to metastacize thanks to articles like this one, that is a price we must pay if we are to keep our freedoms. Eventually a free press will also expose the truth: that alt-right is a warm and welcoming home for closeted and open racists, xenophobes and bullies alike.
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When Donald J Trump decided to enter the GOP primaries and try to be the party’s nominee for the Presidency he had a clear plan. The first part of that plan was to say anything and everything that will attract to his camp that throng (or should it be “herd”?) of uneducated, racist, mentally underdeveloped white male bullies that didn’t accomplish anything in their lives and blame their failure to those who are different than them. Different in the color of the skin, different in the way they speak, different in the way they dress, and more important, different in the intelligence level (which is always very larger than that of the aforementioned bullies). The second part of Trump’s plan was to let those thugs make sure that everyone else voted for him… or else (everyone that dissents “should be taken out of here on a stretcher”) (“I wanted to hit that little guy so hard that his head will spin”) (“Go ahead, don’t worry, I will pay your legal fees”) ("Maybe the Second Amendment people can do something about it"). But the real America stood up again. Once more the vast majority of the American people is showing that no uninformed authoritarian will make our Country, our great Country another Banana Republic, a very rich Banana Republic but a Banana Republic anyways. No matter how threatening the para-military actions of his supporters could be. No authoritarian ignorant (like Donald J Trump is) will ever be able to ruin the work done during more than 200 years.
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If it's true, which it is, that not all Christians are Islamophobes and homophobes, that not all Jews support Israel's polices in the West Bank, and that not all Muslims are rabid terrorists, then it's also true that not all those on the far right present a uniform homogenous whole.
Contrary to the dogmatic and doctrinaire insistence of the SPLC, White Supremacists are not the same as White Separatists, although it's true that many separatists are really supremacists in disguise.
Further example. The KKK was/is vehemently anti-Roman Catholic and anti-Semitic. But the Sicilian Mafia, who are all devout Roman Catholics when it suits them, are notorious for the very worst, vilest and most murderous expressions of anti-African American prejudice to be found in America.
And the worst anti-Semites of all? They are often to be found in the Sunni and Shiite immigrant communities from Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan and Iran.
Contrary to the dogmatic and doctrinaire insistence of the SPLC, White Supremacists are not the same as White Separatists, although it's true that many separatists are really supremacists in disguise.
Further example. The KKK was/is vehemently anti-Roman Catholic and anti-Semitic. But the Sicilian Mafia, who are all devout Roman Catholics when it suits them, are notorious for the very worst, vilest and most murderous expressions of anti-African American prejudice to be found in America.
And the worst anti-Semites of all? They are often to be found in the Sunni and Shiite immigrant communities from Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan and Iran.
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Hillary has turned over Plymouth Rock for all to see. OMG
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Hillary's speech shines a needed spotlight on the lunatic right that lurks in the the shadows of the Trump campaign. Will he make his tax returns public like other candidates? I doubt it. Meanwhile, Hillary needs to tell the whole truth about her emails and the dubious signaling between the Clinton Family Foundation and the State Department. Her lawyerly dodges do her no credit. And, while she's at it, she might release the speeches for which Goldman Sachs et al. paid her hundred of thousands of dollars. I'll vote for her, but I'll be wearing a clothespin on my nose when I got to the polls.
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I wish all of the American Indian tribes who actually 'owned' this land before the 'white man' got here would rise up and remind these idiots that their view of history is informed by stupidity and ignorance. Perhaps the white supremacists should all go back to the land of their ancestors if they don't like multiculturalism. No one is forcing them to live here... and they certainly have no 'rights' to anything.
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Call them "Alt-Right" if you want, but they are Trumpists. And what they want is another American Civil War over race with Donald Trump in the role of Jefferson Davis.
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FINALLY, the NY Times is starting to call the Trump campaign for what it is: appealing to the KKK descendants. We need CNN and the networks to wake up to this, and start calling it like it is. Example: Trump "Mexicans are rapists and criminals!" Media: "Mr. Trump has just lied to you, as a % Mexicans are fewer criminals vs. US."
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The Alt-Right are a bunch of racist clowns and cowards.
It is good to bring them out of the rocks they are hiding under.
And when they support Drumpf it must be pointed out.
It is good to bring them out of the rocks they are hiding under.
And when they support Drumpf it must be pointed out.
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Everyone press Ctrl-Del-Alt-Right
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Put that on a bumper sticker or T-shirt. I'll buy one.
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There needs to be an ongoing discussion in this country on human rights, what it means to be an American, and the value of our freedoms. Too often people do not think about the broader picture, how are values have shaped us and contributed to making America exceptional. Please keep talking about how destructive fascism is, how misogyny and racism of all types holds down all people. People in general have a tendency to put self interest above the good of our country. Voting for policies that are against our ideals does great harm to our country. Good people have died for our ideals, most often young people in the armed forces who have given up a chance for a full, productive life, let's not loose them.
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The Presidential campaign in the US is largely viewed as a sickening joke. The majority are depressed that these two clowns are the choices. Politicians in the US are forever chasing slogans and not getting into the heart of the matter: For example: what can the US do to build up the world economy?? Why not retool the old auto industries in Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland (the so-called 'Rust Belt') to build high speed trains? China is busy building railroads, and making trade deals from Russia to Nicaragua! What are WE doing -- invading and bombing countries -- the latest example being Libya. Clearly the American population must be educated quickly before someone starts WW3.
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Clinton is not a clown, she was a senator and sec of state.
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Clinton was OUR twice-elected Senator, she was here during 9/11, and fought Washington to get this city the funding it needed to recover.
Trump was NOWHERE to be seen.
That qualifies him as a "clown".
Trump was NOWHERE to be seen.
That qualifies him as a "clown".
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Trump himself brought in Stephen K. Bannon, the head of Breitbart News, to lead his campaign. Bannon openly spoke of Breitbart News as a platform for the ideas of the so-called "alt-right." Don't think the alt-right traffics in the ideology of hate groups? Then read what the Southern Poverty Law Center has to say about them: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/08/17/trump-campaign-hires-brei...
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The Southern Poverty Law Center is not exactly objective about who it classifies as hate groups. Like most politicians and journalists, it thrives on sensationalism, and has a vested interest in overstating the potential dangers of organizations.
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tRUMP is a hero to the Alt-Right. Through a series of semi-organized campaigns, Alt-Right activists slurred to every major 2016 Republican presidential candidate except tRUMP, who regularly rails against “political correctness,” Muslim, immigrants, Mexicans, Chinese and others.
And I agree with Richard Cohen of the SPLC: Alt-Right is an antiseptic term for white nationalism, anti-black, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant. This is hate group ideology, and with tRUMP's encouragement and tacit support, these small extreme fringe groups are now gaining more and more traction in the Republican Party.
Can the Republican Party sink and slither any lower?
And I agree with Richard Cohen of the SPLC: Alt-Right is an antiseptic term for white nationalism, anti-black, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant. This is hate group ideology, and with tRUMP's encouragement and tacit support, these small extreme fringe groups are now gaining more and more traction in the Republican Party.
Can the Republican Party sink and slither any lower?
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The answer is yes. If Donald Trump is elected, not only will the Right have an opportunity to raise the tone of its rhetoric through legislation and High Court decisions but lower the social vision of the nation in the process.
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What is the point of this article? It's a mistake to combat hateful movements?
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What is this mythical "white culture" these people believe they are defending? Some kind of non-existent racial purity? We should thank Mr. Trump for lifting up the rock and revealing all the little bugs scurrying around that make up a certain "base" of today's GOP. At least now its in the open and people can decide for themselves.
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Ever since I had to stop speaking to my aunt, who believes that the government is controlled by a secret Jewish family trying to bring about the end of the world, I've been calling this group the First Order. With apologies to Disney/Lucas. I feel very sorry for them, but at this point they are also very dangerous - just like Kylo Ren.
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The Alt-Wrong are losers and the publicity they are relishing is what will ensure Trump's defeat and Hillary Clinton's victory in November. So thank you, Alt-Wrong for finally killing off the Trump candidacy.
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I implore you all to check this out on Twitter; get an account if you have to. You need to see this phenomenon firsthand to appreciate how vile and dangerous it is. I know many NYT readers loathe Twitter and what it represents, in which case delete it whenever you've had enough.
I can't emphasize enough how disgusting it is. These guys (make no mistake: they're mostly men with what are, I suspect, a handful of dummy accounts purporting to be super sexy women as though that lends credibility to their cause) vomit up White Supremacism and anti-Semitism, yes, but also racism in all its forms, sexism & downright misogyny, xenophobia, and islamophobia. Curiously, I haven't noticed much homophobia. However, I could have missed it or maybe it's a result of their cohort: many are Millennials and one of the most (ob)noxious ringleaders, Milo, is himself gay, and I'm sure they have a special place in their collective heart for Thiel. They also count some women, Blacks, immigrants (Milo is British), and Jews among their rank, clearly self-loathing apologists or denialists.
A favorite rhetorical strategy, of which the article provides an example, is to fling progressives' supposed arguments back at them. A recently popular trope is pink-washing: they post pictures of (who they claim to be) hanged gay people in some unspecified MENA country and accuse Democrats of homophobia for not denouncing Islam.
It's one thing to read about but it's another to see it for yourself. Please do so.
I can't emphasize enough how disgusting it is. These guys (make no mistake: they're mostly men with what are, I suspect, a handful of dummy accounts purporting to be super sexy women as though that lends credibility to their cause) vomit up White Supremacism and anti-Semitism, yes, but also racism in all its forms, sexism & downright misogyny, xenophobia, and islamophobia. Curiously, I haven't noticed much homophobia. However, I could have missed it or maybe it's a result of their cohort: many are Millennials and one of the most (ob)noxious ringleaders, Milo, is himself gay, and I'm sure they have a special place in their collective heart for Thiel. They also count some women, Blacks, immigrants (Milo is British), and Jews among their rank, clearly self-loathing apologists or denialists.
A favorite rhetorical strategy, of which the article provides an example, is to fling progressives' supposed arguments back at them. A recently popular trope is pink-washing: they post pictures of (who they claim to be) hanged gay people in some unspecified MENA country and accuse Democrats of homophobia for not denouncing Islam.
It's one thing to read about but it's another to see it for yourself. Please do so.
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Wow...lots of stuff about racism and sexism...can we bring this back to their political philosophy? Because the racism and sexism, while obviously offensive, really isn't what they are all about. That's just icing on their crazy layer cake. (Or, maybe a natural outgrowth of it...it's hard to tell.)
They think (in many, many more words if you ask them) that everything (be sure to ask them what "everything" is) would be better if we got rid of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (all the things that constitute "America" really), then installed a literal king, and then got said king to run the country like a corporation, i.e. maximizing some form of profits or productivity or something.
What could possibly go wrong?
They think (in many, many more words if you ask them) that everything (be sure to ask them what "everything" is) would be better if we got rid of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (all the things that constitute "America" really), then installed a literal king, and then got said king to run the country like a corporation, i.e. maximizing some form of profits or productivity or something.
What could possibly go wrong?
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How absurd for the TIMES (Alan Rappeport, you should know better!) to write this story. Clinton is absolutely right to point to Trump's affinity for the lunatic right-wing in American politics as exemplified in the Breitbart Report and the thuggish Bannion who is now Trump's campaign manager or CEO. What did you expect Clinton to do? Shouldn't she call Trump out for this? And if the unspeakable white supremacists/racists/anti-Semites who identify themselves as the "alt right" (presumably an alternative and further "right" than the more or less moderate right wing) take pleasure in this publicity then they should know that any publicity they get simply reveals the unspeakable nature of their opinions. Why didn't Mr. Rappeport poing this out?
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Because the Alt-Reich now has political cover; the Right has blessed their fringe, as non-fringe, and brought with them--under the Trump banner--into the limelight. The Alt-Reich knows, that even though he might not goes as far as to say a certain thing, they know he means it--and they're delighted.
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"Alt-right" is a pseudo movement concocted by the liberal media and the Clinton campaign team to discredit Trump, his supporters, and anyone else who believes in the US Constitution and a Christian God.
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How did the Clinton campaign and Liberal Media (tm) get a bunch of them to self-identify as "Alt-Right" and glory in the term?
This piece by a senior editor with the Breitbart organization would seem to be such a declaration:
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-...
I'm pretty sure they aren't taking orders from her (they really don't like her much) and it also seems unlikely that they are paid actors.
This piece by a senior editor with the Breitbart organization would seem to be such a declaration:
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-...
I'm pretty sure they aren't taking orders from her (they really don't like her much) and it also seems unlikely that they are paid actors.
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"Richard B. Spencer, the president of the white-nationalist National Policy Institute, who is credited with coming up with the name “alt-right,” "
This is a direct quote and lift from the article.
This is probably the right time for you to look for help with your Reading Comprehension deficiency.
This is a direct quote and lift from the article.
This is probably the right time for you to look for help with your Reading Comprehension deficiency.
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You know what is most funny about this post. Alt-right doesn't believe in the Constitution either.
And if the Clinton campaign team dreamed these guys up 10 - 20 years ago so that she could lose in 2008 but win in 2016, then I say sign me up for her campaign. Because that is some next-level, Deep Blue, Google Analytics-style planning that Trump has no chance of replicating.
And if the Clinton campaign team dreamed these guys up 10 - 20 years ago so that she could lose in 2008 but win in 2016, then I say sign me up for her campaign. Because that is some next-level, Deep Blue, Google Analytics-style planning that Trump has no chance of replicating.
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In a 21st century awash in ethnic blending, it is extremely satisfying to see the white supremacist movement grasping for relevance. As cultural and ethnic differences are subsumed by mixed marriages and continued immigration, it is hardly surprising that these relics that adhere to 18th and 19th century mindsets, feel their power atrophying and the identity of their country morphing into something unrecognizable to them. Would that I could live another hundred years or so to witness firsthand the true realization of the melting pot's inevitable destiny where being the idea of white supremacy is relegated to a mere footnote in the history of this marvelous American experiment.
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I too am thrilled, thrilled that those in their suburban enclaves now can see the REAL U.S. of A.
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We are the heartland, the working people, the little people, the veterans, the middle class, the small towns. the small businesses, the South, the Midwest, the rural areas, the disenfranchised, the church goers, the moral majority. We are the All-Right. Hillary's hatred and bigotry of us is a badge of honor.
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We all have many of these qualities, you do not have the inside track on how "disenfranchised" you wish to paint yourselves. Most of us don't explain our situation away with racism. And veterans are FAR from"little people", FYI
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No you aren't. Many of my family members are veterans, many of my friends are small business owners, all of them are working people and most of them go to church. Your organization has nothing in common with any of them.
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There is nothing anyone could do to you that comes close to what you are doing to yourselves. Most of you are dying at your own hand. And, as we believers used to say about some people in the rural area I grew up in, most of you will be no better off dead than you were alive. That's what hatred does to people.
Hillary and the rest of us needn't hate you - you have enough left over for yourselves after you hate others.
Hillary and the rest of us needn't hate you - you have enough left over for yourselves after you hate others.
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Tump and the alt right is the reason why Hillary will probably be elected.
If the republican voters had nominated a Kasick or Bush, they probably could have beaten Hillary.
The prefer somebody who will destroy their party instead of the status quo
like Bush or Kasick...
If the republican voters had nominated a Kasick or Bush, they probably could have beaten Hillary.
The prefer somebody who will destroy their party instead of the status quo
like Bush or Kasick...
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The alt-right universe is real. It has a name. It's part of the conversation.
This label is a good one. Bring the mysterious (**vast right-wing conspiracy**) into the light -- no matter it's shape and intent.
The alt-right wants to be known -- exactly who it is and exactly what it wants. Fine, bring it on.
Let the battle of ideas moves forward.
This label is a good one. Bring the mysterious (**vast right-wing conspiracy**) into the light -- no matter it's shape and intent.
The alt-right wants to be known -- exactly who it is and exactly what it wants. Fine, bring it on.
Let the battle of ideas moves forward.
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The Alt-Right argument is a smoke screen for the smoke coming out of the Clinton Foundation. Hillary and her handlers appear to be gravely concerned about the continuous barrage of negative news coming out regarding the Foundation. In my view Bill and Hillary are operating a modern day crime syndicate. Today we learn about BleachBit, which was used to wipe e-mails when deleting. The lies and deception continues. I am rooting for Wikileaks to deliver the final nails for her coffin.
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Mrs. Clinton and the left claim that while Mr. Trump has denounced the racist groups that support him, he has not denounced them enough or with sufficient enthusiasm.
But back in 2008, Mrs. Clinton did not denounce her supporters pushing the birther idea at all. She just let it stay out there and soak in, knowing she had enough plausible deniability to insulate her. Based on this Hillary puff piece, it looks like it's still working.
And way back in 1987, when she was Arkansas' first lady, her husband, Governor Bill Clinton, signed into Arkansas Law, Act 116 of the Regular Session concerning the Arkansas state flag, which stipulated that "The blue star above the word 'ARKANSAS' is to commemorate the Confederate States of America." Did she denounce her husband's action back then or say anything at all about it? No.
BTW if that killer of white cops in Dallas said he was inspired by the rhetoric coming from the Black Lives Matter movement, shouldn't she denounce them before they inspire another racist hate crime?
But back in 2008, Mrs. Clinton did not denounce her supporters pushing the birther idea at all. She just let it stay out there and soak in, knowing she had enough plausible deniability to insulate her. Based on this Hillary puff piece, it looks like it's still working.
And way back in 1987, when she was Arkansas' first lady, her husband, Governor Bill Clinton, signed into Arkansas Law, Act 116 of the Regular Session concerning the Arkansas state flag, which stipulated that "The blue star above the word 'ARKANSAS' is to commemorate the Confederate States of America." Did she denounce her husband's action back then or say anything at all about it? No.
BTW if that killer of white cops in Dallas said he was inspired by the rhetoric coming from the Black Lives Matter movement, shouldn't she denounce them before they inspire another racist hate crime?
WOW! And now they will have "Blue Stargate" as the next big make-believe "scandal!"
Using the benign epithet they've created for themselves - alt-right - helps to obscure what they really are -- white supremacists. Don't help them make their disgusting hate palatable. Call them what they are, not what they want people to believe they are.
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Fox News, Sean Hannity and Roger Ailes have worked night and day for 8 years to make the Alt Right main stream and they did it while fanning GOP obstructionism
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Over the last few months, the so-called “alt-right” has become one of the most prominent factions of the conservative media. The movement’s leading outlet is Breitbart News, whose chairman, Stephen Bannon, has just become the CEO of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign...In many ways the “alt-right” is a rebranding of classic white nationalism for the 21st century.
The “alt-right” opposes diversity and immigration, arguing that those policies are a form of “white genocide.” It embraces racism, sexism, anti-Muslim bigotry, and anti-Semitism and sees its goal as usurping the traditional conservative movement, which it views as feckless and weak, in favor of a brand of nationalism.
With the ascension of Trump, the “alt-right’s” chosen candidate, as the nominee of the Republican Party, its mission is all but accomplished.
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/25/what-alt-right-guide-white-nati...
Trump...studied "Hitlers Speeches", quotes Mussolini, embraces Putin. If Trump becomes president this country will become the US-SR. The United States of Soviet Republicans.
The “alt-right” opposes diversity and immigration, arguing that those policies are a form of “white genocide.” It embraces racism, sexism, anti-Muslim bigotry, and anti-Semitism and sees its goal as usurping the traditional conservative movement, which it views as feckless and weak, in favor of a brand of nationalism.
With the ascension of Trump, the “alt-right’s” chosen candidate, as the nominee of the Republican Party, its mission is all but accomplished.
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/25/what-alt-right-guide-white-nati...
Trump...studied "Hitlers Speeches", quotes Mussolini, embraces Putin. If Trump becomes president this country will become the US-SR. The United States of Soviet Republicans.
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There have been many comments that Clinton should not have made this speech because it legitimizes the AltRight. Isn't the AltRight already legitimized given that the AltRight and the Republican party are now one and the same? If your party nominee expresses the views of the AltRight, and your nominee's campaign chief is a spokesperson for the AltRight; doesn't that pretty much make you the AltRight party?
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The GOP has been courting these dark forces for a long time--Nixon's Southern Strategy, Lee Atwater's work, "welfare queens", Willie Horton, birtherism. Trump's innovation, as it were, is to trade the dog whistle for the bullhorn. His explicitness has emboldened and legitimized the elements that already existed. He's turned over a rock and all the creepy-crawlies are scurrying about. Better to find them, I suppose, even if it's horrifying.
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Clinton is now falling into the same trap that Trump set for Rubio during the primaries - getting down to Trump's level of garbage charges.
Forget about "right and "left" - let's accuse Trump of being exactly what he is: an all-purpose ignoramus, with no real concept of any ideology at all.
Forget about "right and "left" - let's accuse Trump of being exactly what he is: an all-purpose ignoramus, with no real concept of any ideology at all.
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AN ignoramus to all but those who voted for him above 16 rival candidates, and helped make his companies worth $10 Billion. Where do I sign up to become a Billionaire Ignoramus who sets new Electioneering Records?
Paying attention to Trump and Alt-right is controversial because both are so contemptible and harmful that it's appealing to just brush them off as annoying whack-a-doodles prancing around as if they are superior creatures.
But we can't afford to ignore them because they are dangerous, benighted, whack-a-doodles.
Trump deserves a resounding defeat and that's more likely if we know what a sham he is.
The Alt-right make-believe freedom fighters deserve to go down with him - they can then retreat to their web sites and try to convince themselves they count for something. They won't have any luck with that if we show them the contempt they so richly deserve.
But we can't afford to ignore them because they are dangerous, benighted, whack-a-doodles.
Trump deserves a resounding defeat and that's more likely if we know what a sham he is.
The Alt-right make-believe freedom fighters deserve to go down with him - they can then retreat to their web sites and try to convince themselves they count for something. They won't have any luck with that if we show them the contempt they so richly deserve.
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This is politically dumb. Mrs. Clinton has just firmed-up fringe support for Trump without him so much as lifting a finger. It'll make no difference to his mainstream supporters, since for many, the issue is not their discomfort in being lumped with the fringers, but their greater discomfort/embarrassment being lumped with the Clinton camp.
This is a strange election where voters are constantly dodging discomfort, be it with pollsters by giving them all the "right" answers or voting for a loudmouth who's more loud than mouth, and hoping for the best. Still, doing like most, going with Trump (and saying Clinton to the pollsters). Hail to the new chief!
This is a strange election where voters are constantly dodging discomfort, be it with pollsters by giving them all the "right" answers or voting for a loudmouth who's more loud than mouth, and hoping for the best. Still, doing like most, going with Trump (and saying Clinton to the pollsters). Hail to the new chief!
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This a clarion call to the Republican party and establishment to purge themselves of these vile racists, it's that simple.
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They are of no consequence to either party. But their votes are, which Hillary has now assured headed Trump's way.
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The reason the so-called Alt-Right is so thrilled is that the American corporate media will now spread their neo-fascist, anti-democratic, white supremacist message for free without comment or condemnation using the fig leaf of "impartiality" to justify their moral lassitude.
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They claim they're not violent but it's just a matter of time before that changes.
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Our fathers and grandfathers fought World War II against these alt right people.
Where is the outrage now? Ms. Clinton is spot on in exposing them and their new-found leader, Trump aka Trumpolini.
These people are much more dangerous to this country than ISIS.
Where is the outrage now? Ms. Clinton is spot on in exposing them and their new-found leader, Trump aka Trumpolini.
These people are much more dangerous to this country than ISIS.
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Hillary/Obama and their authoritarian policies (disarmament, wrongthink) are actually closer to WWII Germany than anything on the right. Trump may align with isolationist Japan. Either way, we're getting the government we deserve.
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Our fathers and grandfathers are to be admired and even envied for having the moral standing, the legal standing, and the resources to deal with such people.
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Thank you Hillary for again telling us what we should and should not think in this world. What would we do without you.
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Clinton should have skipped giving major free publicity to these groups, publicity they never would have gotten otherwise. It is not simply her comments, but the fact that they become an ongoing news story, the publicity multiplying exponentially. There are plenty of ways for Clinton's campaign to tie Trump to these people without the candidate herself making them part of the "conversation", thus giving them a type of legitimacy.
I am most definitely not saying to ignore them. To the contrary, they do not get nearly enough attention from law enforcement, politicians, or the media. Leftists saying equivalent things would and have received a hundred times greater attention from law enforcement, politicians, and the media. It is just that one in Clinton's position should not be effectively giving them a soapbox as a right to "reply" in many forums, including here in the Times. When she becomes President, then she can take them on, hopefully not coddling them the way other Presidents have.
I am most definitely not saying to ignore them. To the contrary, they do not get nearly enough attention from law enforcement, politicians, or the media. Leftists saying equivalent things would and have received a hundred times greater attention from law enforcement, politicians, and the media. It is just that one in Clinton's position should not be effectively giving them a soapbox as a right to "reply" in many forums, including here in the Times. When she becomes President, then she can take them on, hopefully not coddling them the way other Presidents have.
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Hillary was very correct to call out these disgusting anti-American pieces of garbage. They deserve the attention, so that all can know how heinous a group they are.
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Like it or not, there seems to be a number of people afraid of what a woman President might do in office: be too timid, be too bold, be afraid, be outspoken, be a threat to our way of life. After all we have just had a BLACK President and now a WOMAN. Horrors. I can only suggest that there are many more people of color on earth than whites, and over half of all are women. It is well past time to elect a woman to our highest job. After all she is white! Go Hillary and be not afraid of your sex or skin color.
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If you subscribe to the any publicity is good publicity school then I guess this is good news for the alt-right. But pointing out their deviant, whacky and hateful views is hardly what I would call "giving credibility" to these groups.
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"(A)ny publicity is good publicity" has been attributed to P.T. Barnum, Oscar Wilde, Sam Goldwyn, and others, all probably in error. It is a pervasive idea. The publicity given to alt-right seems to stir up a few more righties while simultaneously discomfiting others. Hillary appears to believe that there are more progressives and moderate voting than righties. I hope that is the case. The alternative is that this beautiful country will have gone over to the dark side.
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Time for a reality check on those who don't want to address the level of hatred
bigotry, racism in this country.......Get these white racist, Fascist, groups out from under their rocks so we can look at them without protecting ourselves
from what the "Ugly" side of America looks like. It is long past time
that the free forum which only a democracy can provide, puts the the vileness of their message out in the light where it can be confronted and repudiated. They will never survive the basic decency of the American people once we are reminded, as we often need to be, of who we really are and what the basic idea
of this country was and is.
bigotry, racism in this country.......Get these white racist, Fascist, groups out from under their rocks so we can look at them without protecting ourselves
from what the "Ugly" side of America looks like. It is long past time
that the free forum which only a democracy can provide, puts the the vileness of their message out in the light where it can be confronted and repudiated. They will never survive the basic decency of the American people once we are reminded, as we often need to be, of who we really are and what the basic idea
of this country was and is.
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Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. I am all for the alt-right and Mr. Trump continuing down that road in the full light of day - not in the dark undercover of the internet. Let your ideas out, let them breath in the fresh air, let them be seen and voiced. Joe McCarthy was finally pulled off the public stage, and humiliated for his conspiratorial fantasies, in no small part because his many of his later hearings were televised. Rejoice in the First Amendment. Ideas such as "restoration of white culture" should be fully aired for everyone to assess and judge. So bring it on Alt-Right, you will be heard. Just don't be surprised when you are not accepted by the majority of Americans. Signed, a WASP.
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So "Alt-Right" is what the news media has officially labelled the angriest, smallest minds in the political arena? Sorry, but this is far too dignified a term for them. Besides, a label has long been assigned to them. I wish I could type it here with the expectation that this comment would be accepted. But, you know what it is....
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No, we don't. There are so many floating around in the Liberal Cloud that it's triply redundant. Sanitize one, and post it.
"The alt right is not racist. It's simply people who think being a white american is something to be proud of not shunned and they believe that all races should be equal. "
No ..they are racist and nihilists who want to burn down the American village.
Anytime the KKK or Neo Nazi groups , or the Huckster, or Bannon tell Americans all they want is "fairness and equality" they are really just testing how gullible Americans are.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
No ..they are racist and nihilists who want to burn down the American village.
Anytime the KKK or Neo Nazi groups , or the Huckster, or Bannon tell Americans all they want is "fairness and equality" they are really just testing how gullible Americans are.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
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I should note the quote cannot be directly attributed to Sinclair Lewis ... but why not Sinclair Lewis?
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Bannon is living in a vacant house in Florida, according to his voter registration. The Guardian has the story. That's actual voter fraud, people. Not the made-up kind Republicans like to peddle.
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Worse news: Bernie the Socialist has just bought his THIRD house. What a fraud.
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Andrew Breitbart was his generation's Lee Atwater.
Andrew who? Lee who? Those two forever-young activists who are now high-fiving each other over the "legitimization" of their severe right wing legacies, albeit not from a lofty perch.
Good for you, Secretary Clinton; perhaps now the press will reveal the genesis of breitbart.com (which they would have us believe was created in a vacuum) and all of founder Andrew's racist shennanigans.
I'm With Her.
Andrew who? Lee who? Those two forever-young activists who are now high-fiving each other over the "legitimization" of their severe right wing legacies, albeit not from a lofty perch.
Good for you, Secretary Clinton; perhaps now the press will reveal the genesis of breitbart.com (which they would have us believe was created in a vacuum) and all of founder Andrew's racist shennanigans.
I'm With Her.
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Gus
Lee Atwater is dead but his legacy lives on
Lee Atwater is dead but his legacy lives on
What is most disturbing is the one word, concept and humane foundation missing from any and all alt-right communication- RESPECT. No civilization can thrive with it.
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Hillary Clinton did the absolute right thing in shining a light on the proverbial elephant in the room of this campaign. These "alt right" extremists, encouraged by Donald Trump, pose as much of a threat to American democracy as does he. And they have more weapons at their disposal than ISIS and other international terrorist groups, thanks to this nation's lax gun laws. They need to be exposed, condemned, and forced back into the swamps from which they crawled. Mrs. Clinton should repeat this message as often as she can.
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Its time to
CTRL ALT RIGHT
and eventually
DEL ALT RIGHT
Power ON people ... the system needs a REBOOT>
CTRL ALT RIGHT
and eventually
DEL ALT RIGHT
Power ON people ... the system needs a REBOOT>
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Recall this Obama 2008 campaign radio/TV ad? Many outside the bubble do...
Obama: "I'm Barack Obama, candidate for president and I approved this message."
Narrator: "It's what's wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected. Now she's making false attacks on Barack Obama.
"The Washington Post says Clinton isn't telling the truth. Obama 'did not say that he liked the ideas of Republicans.' In fact, Obama's led the fight to raise the minimum wage, close corporate tax loopholes and cut taxes for the middle class.
"But it was Hillary Clinton, in an interview with Tom Brokaw, who quote 'paid tribute' to Ronald Reagan's economic and foreign policy. She championed NAFTA -– even though it has cost South Carolina thousands of jobs. And worst of all, it was Hillary Clinton who voted for George Bush's war in Iraq.
"Hillary Clinton. She'll say anything, and change nothing.
"It's time to turn the page."
Obama: "I'm Barack Obama, candidate for president and I approved this message."
Narrator: "It's what's wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected. Now she's making false attacks on Barack Obama.
"The Washington Post says Clinton isn't telling the truth. Obama 'did not say that he liked the ideas of Republicans.' In fact, Obama's led the fight to raise the minimum wage, close corporate tax loopholes and cut taxes for the middle class.
"But it was Hillary Clinton, in an interview with Tom Brokaw, who quote 'paid tribute' to Ronald Reagan's economic and foreign policy. She championed NAFTA -– even though it has cost South Carolina thousands of jobs. And worst of all, it was Hillary Clinton who voted for George Bush's war in Iraq.
"Hillary Clinton. She'll say anything, and change nothing.
"It's time to turn the page."
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Hello, brother :D
1984 is alive and well, yesterday's opponents are today's allies, and they always have been.
1984 is alive and well, yesterday's opponents are today's allies, and they always have been.
I will vote for Trump. He is not the perfect candidate, but he also is not what Secretary Clinton alleges. Trillions of dollars are sitting in US cash accounts; so much cash that banks are charging fees -- instead of paying interest -- for warehousing these enormous stockpiles of money. Investors have, completely within their rights, chosen not to reinvest this cash due to the impending demise of the US economy, and due to unchecked bureaucrats who impose regulations to justify their jobs. That money is not for President Obama or Senator Clinton to redistribute as they see fit.
And you know what will happen if/when Trump is elected? Regardless of Trump's own plan for revving up the economy, investors will immediately start investing those idle funds in new businesses, additional locations, tools, inventory and jobs -- lots of jobs --, buoyed by confidence that sanity will finally return to our economy and legal system.
I'm not the type of person you assume I am. I voted for Obama. I provide jobs to anyone who is qualified. I own a business in the wellness industry. Am I "alt-right"? Not even remotely so, but I support Trump. Senator Clinton's attempt to galvanize her base has actually galvanized Trump supporters, all in a futile effort to deflect public attention from her conduct which has finally caught the attention of Preet Bharara and other prosecutors.
And you know what will happen if/when Trump is elected? Regardless of Trump's own plan for revving up the economy, investors will immediately start investing those idle funds in new businesses, additional locations, tools, inventory and jobs -- lots of jobs --, buoyed by confidence that sanity will finally return to our economy and legal system.
I'm not the type of person you assume I am. I voted for Obama. I provide jobs to anyone who is qualified. I own a business in the wellness industry. Am I "alt-right"? Not even remotely so, but I support Trump. Senator Clinton's attempt to galvanize her base has actually galvanized Trump supporters, all in a futile effort to deflect public attention from her conduct which has finally caught the attention of Preet Bharara and other prosecutors.
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Thank god we finally found a clairvoyant economist! Please report to the Fed immediately, you're going to make us all rich!
Yet, CITI warns investors of trouble should Trump be elected.
Yet, no economists from any administration going back to 1969 support Trumps "policies".
Where can we all buy a crystal ball?
Yet, CITI warns investors of trouble should Trump be elected.
Yet, no economists from any administration going back to 1969 support Trumps "policies".
Where can we all buy a crystal ball?
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@baxendale
Sorry. I don't see how anyone can vote for a candidate that's endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan and NOT be a racist.
Sorry. I don't see how anyone can vote for a candidate that's endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan and NOT be a racist.
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You might want to listen to some conservative economists.
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What exactly is "white supremacism"? Is it the idea that maybe Europeans shouldn't allow themselves to be turned into ethnic minorities because it might not work out very well for their descendants? Because, if so, there must be a lot of white supremacists around. And, come to think of it, there must be a lot of Chinese supremacists too, because I doubt the Chinese would fancy being turned into ethnic minorities in China. In fact, I can't think of any people anywhere that would rather lose than keep numerical preponderance in their own ancestral homeland. But no one other than Europeans seems to be stigmatised for thinking this way.
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What would you call an activist Native American group that called for the removal of all Caucasians in North America?
@jr
A little too late....
A little too late....
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Both the Republicans and Democrats need to be dismantled - they are so corrupt and have lost the vision of America in their lust for money and power. New people of vision need to rise up. The Government does not represent the people but rather the Corporations and themselves. the USA is heading for a huge crash - quite possibly its demise. Rise up and clean up America!
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SURE destroy political parties....you invite anarchy which the far right....alt right .....thrives on...O wait maybe you are one of them or a cousin anarchist
Hillary didn't 'kick over the hornet's nest.' The hornet's nest was already there, buzzing and inflamed. Trump's been winking and dog whistling at it for years. Most of his major policy initiatives early on were directly pitched at these people: immigration intolerance, Mexicans are 'rapists,' banning Muslims, the 'birther' movement.
These people are disgusting. They're un-American, supporting things that are unconstitutional and often blatantly racist. It's obviously a racist ideology and Trump's their boy.
Hillary has every right to call him on this. Much of the establishment GOP hand-wringing is a response to this racism and intolerance. Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush have both said openly they can't possibly support Trump, primarily because of his views that are racist or borderline racist. They should address this again now.
People are assailing Hillary for 'name-calling.' But she would be making a huge mistake not to point out this underbelly of Trump's campaign. When Trump's supporter sucker punched that black man in the face at a Trump rally and Trump said he would pay that guy's legal bills, anyone with a brain knew what that was about.
We can't be so squeamish about calling this what it is, or attack Hillary for calling this what it is. If we don't, Trump will calmly deny it and keep appealing to and operating with these people in the shadows.
Throw light on these people! They're cockroaches.
Trump made his bed with them. Now he has to lie in it.
These people are disgusting. They're un-American, supporting things that are unconstitutional and often blatantly racist. It's obviously a racist ideology and Trump's their boy.
Hillary has every right to call him on this. Much of the establishment GOP hand-wringing is a response to this racism and intolerance. Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush have both said openly they can't possibly support Trump, primarily because of his views that are racist or borderline racist. They should address this again now.
People are assailing Hillary for 'name-calling.' But she would be making a huge mistake not to point out this underbelly of Trump's campaign. When Trump's supporter sucker punched that black man in the face at a Trump rally and Trump said he would pay that guy's legal bills, anyone with a brain knew what that was about.
We can't be so squeamish about calling this what it is, or attack Hillary for calling this what it is. If we don't, Trump will calmly deny it and keep appealing to and operating with these people in the shadows.
Throw light on these people! They're cockroaches.
Trump made his bed with them. Now he has to lie in it.
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YES!!!
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My sentiments exactly- it should be said loud and clear and often for those left sitting on the fence that these groups support Trump.
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She gave her speech in very sober and stern tones, as the subject warranted. It laid out the long history of Trump's dealings with minorities, not just his recent statements and hiring of an alarmingly reactionary campaign CEO.
People like Bannon and Manafort would have a major influence in a Trump administration, and it's frightening. Their involvement with his inner circle at any time documents Trump's extremely bad judgment (which puts Clinton's distinctly lesser transgressions in perspective), as well as his intolerant political philosophy.
People like Bannon and Manafort would have a major influence in a Trump administration, and it's frightening. Their involvement with his inner circle at any time documents Trump's extremely bad judgment (which puts Clinton's distinctly lesser transgressions in perspective), as well as his intolerant political philosophy.
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Trump's philosophy appears to be to take the temperature of the room and direct his cynical comments accordingly. He has no core.
Trump and his entire campaign are looking more like Nazi Germany electing Hitler with each passing day. I never thought I would live to see this.
Trump won't win of course- but the fact that he represents a so called major political party is frightening and that he has any supporters at all is frightening. Dems- get out the vote in November! Don't be complacent and assume HRC will win this -she won't if we don't vote.
Alt Right and all the Haters- if you want to go elsewhere to live in your own bizarre universe- please do- and take DT with you.
Trump won't win of course- but the fact that he represents a so called major political party is frightening and that he has any supporters at all is frightening. Dems- get out the vote in November! Don't be complacent and assume HRC will win this -she won't if we don't vote.
Alt Right and all the Haters- if you want to go elsewhere to live in your own bizarre universe- please do- and take DT with you.
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"Alt-right..." - more like bigots, racists and misogynists who are such failures in their own lives that they have to blame minorities and women for their own failings in life. They're losers. I had a debate with one of these losers and told him just that. It totally shut him down. Guess I hit a nerve.
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What will the GOP be after it burns to the ground? It can't nod and wink at this sorry crowd the way Trump did and expect to move forward.
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How about the sorry crowd that runs Milwaukee? Same sorry crowd that made Chicago, Baltimore, Ferguson, and Oakland so impoverished, and violent? Democrats, heal thyself!
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What will the GOP be after it burns to the ground?
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Rather like Baltimore, I should think.
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Rather like Baltimore, I should think.
How do you explain Mississippi, Charles? Alabama? Louisiana? West Virginia?
All of Southern Appalachia?
And most red states on the government dole?
All Republican-led. All with the highest rates of poverty, teen pregnancy, obesity, drug abuse, and, as I allude to above, most with their paws in the federal till as they scream against big government tyranny.
Do explain your blatant double standard.
All of Southern Appalachia?
And most red states on the government dole?
All Republican-led. All with the highest rates of poverty, teen pregnancy, obesity, drug abuse, and, as I allude to above, most with their paws in the federal till as they scream against big government tyranny.
Do explain your blatant double standard.
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If Trump is a racist why are these black Americans supporting him? Wake up America this is just more of Hillary's pathological lies to distract people from the investigation of her criminal activities.
1. Dr. Ben Carson
2. Herschel Walker
3. Dennis Rodman
4. Jimmy McMillian
5. Terrell Owens
6. Mike Tyson
7. Shawn Merriman
1. Dr. Ben Carson
2. Herschel Walker
3. Dennis Rodman
4. Jimmy McMillian
5. Terrell Owens
6. Mike Tyson
7. Shawn Merriman
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dennis rodman and mike tyson
are you sure youre proud of those dudes endorsing trump
think it through, don
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Hey, no one's saying you can't get on board a hustler's wagon, especially if you like to hustle your own kind! I see narcissist assists rebounding!
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Just saying, well your list is pretty much not comprehensive
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Anyone who claims that Trump or his supporters are "just angry white men" are the true racists. As a white male, being told that my success is the cause of others' failures is RACIST. Stop playing the label and blame game; this is something Obama has done since day one. Talk about building up the poor, not about me paying "my fair share" as if almost 50% is not my fair share when it is WAY TOO MUCH!
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Since the Obama Administration has very assiduously avoided any hint of blaming white males success as the cause of others failure, and since you are a supporter of Donald Trump who continued and continued (wink, wink) to claim that Obama was born in Kenya, one can only be left to assume that you are suffering from some sort of race problem.
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Dude, what can I tell you? You should have gone into real state. Trump got a credit for all we know!
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Surgeon: If you are paying almost 50%, you are making a lot of money and need a new tax man. Don the Con pays nothing.
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Donald Trump has said that President Obama should resign from office and Hillary Clinton from her candidacy for not using the term "Islamic terrorism." If terminology matters so much to Trump, he should acknowledge his anchoring as "Alt Right," rather than pretend it is anything but a hate platform.
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As soon as Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton acknowledge their anchors of support with Black Lives Matter, The New Black Panther Party, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and the "Alt-left" on Black Twitter who openly call for assassinations and for Trump supporters to be beaten by angry mobs.
Ignorance and hate are NEVER the purview of one political party in America.
Ignorance and hate are NEVER the purview of one political party in America.
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We don need a rebranding; just call them what they are: Alt-Racists
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Sad to see the NYT print the tweet from Bryce with the backwards parentheses.
(One of the anti-semitic symbols used by the "alt-right" haters.)
https://www.google.com/#q=parentheses+around+name+anti+semitic
(One of the anti-semitic symbols used by the "alt-right" haters.)
https://www.google.com/#q=parentheses+around+name+anti+semitic
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This speech by Mrs. Clinton was to deflect attention away from the ever growing email scandal and the trust issues that the voters have regarding Mrs. Clinton. She ducks the press. She will not speak to substance. She has instead decided to '' run out the clock'' while smearing Mr. Trump and by implication those who voted for him. She is hardly inspiring.
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Clinton did not smear Trump. She simply recited a list of facts. Trump has smeared himself and she only pointed out what he himself has said.
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Peter - Hillary gave very specific, provable - often on tape - quotes and associations attributed to Trump. You provide no context about the e-mails other than common talking points.
How have you been negatively affected by her e-mails?
How have you been negatively affected by her e-mails?
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Hi Mitch! Hi Paul! How's your summer vacation going?
Donald has new friends. Did you meet them yet?
Oh, remember that rent will be due soon. Donald raised the rent 500% just for you. Ta!
Donald has new friends. Did you meet them yet?
Oh, remember that rent will be due soon. Donald raised the rent 500% just for you. Ta!
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Hillary no doubt has far fewer friends too, lest they get caught up in one or another of her FOIA lawsuits, or FBI investigation of the Clinton Feckless Foundation.
Was not very long ago the historic Democrat losses in the 2010 and 2014 Midterms, and the Nov. 2015 state elections, showed the GOP is the trusted party.
Was not very long ago the historic Democrat losses in the 2010 and 2014 Midterms, and the Nov. 2015 state elections, showed the GOP is the trusted party.
Classic straw man identity politics from the Democrats and Clintons. Portray the other side as caricature racist extremists. I see the NYT crowd believes the US is filled with 50 percent Nazis. Its really sad and disturbing. No wonder we are so divided and lost.
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Peculiar point of view, since Trump called Hillary a racist.
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So do you think that Trump hasn't incited to violence with his callous and hateful speech?
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Really, straw man, Google is your friend.
http://www.breitbart.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/
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It doesn't matter that Trump now reads from teleprompters, has a new campaign strategist, or that he has suddenly vacillated on his immigration plan.
His entire reckless campaign matters.
It matters that he has vilified Mexicans, Muslims, immigrants and refugees.
It matters that he accused Hillary Clinton of "terrible, terrible crimes."
It matters that he insinuated President Obama had his own agenda with the Orlando tragedy.
It matters that he said perhaps the Second Amendment people could do something about Hillary's Presidency.
It matters that he said he believes the election will be rigged against him.
It matters that he asked supporters to monitor polling sites.
The aftermath of Trump's paranoid, incendiary, prejudicial campaign will be untold ugliness for everyone to contend with.
His entire reckless campaign matters.
It matters that he has vilified Mexicans, Muslims, immigrants and refugees.
It matters that he accused Hillary Clinton of "terrible, terrible crimes."
It matters that he insinuated President Obama had his own agenda with the Orlando tragedy.
It matters that he said perhaps the Second Amendment people could do something about Hillary's Presidency.
It matters that he said he believes the election will be rigged against him.
It matters that he asked supporters to monitor polling sites.
The aftermath of Trump's paranoid, incendiary, prejudicial campaign will be untold ugliness for everyone to contend with.
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I have known these people for the 40 years I've lived in the deep south because we have a lot of them in these parts. They are never so happy as when someone criticizes their views. It's like catnip.
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What is this "alt" baloney the media seems to have hit upon very recently? I'll give you "neo" as in Neocon and their political cousins Neo-Nazis; but "alt", as in alternative? No way. Racism is at the core of the right wing philosophy. It is solidly there in our past, and obviously, and sadly; in our future.
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Noblesse oblige by wealthy Los Angelenos and San Francisco Democrats is merely gussied up Racism in return for Votes. (Been to Oakland lately?) On the DNC plantation Hillary sows promised benefits, while the slaves pick bales of votes all the livelong day. That's why the Democrat Cities are even worse today than they were in 1965 - a captive audience keeps eyeing the horizon, waiting for the Democrats' Good Ship Lollipop to hove into view.
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
The DNC produces the directive. The NYT delivers the pitch. The same mechanusm is actuated by the right's "journalism".
What's missing in this discussion is the alt-left...with their anti-male, anti-western, anti-Christian, anti-white and anti-American hate filled rhetoric. Just as their is truth in the Clinton attacks on the alt-right and Trump there is truth in how we see the alt-left and Clinton. But this is nasty politics in a county that is divided and at cultural war with itself. So the race card is played and played and played as well as the gender and religious and regional cards. I'd say, unlike Trump, Clinton is not all the way in bed with the Alt-left, a view that can be backed by the fact that so many progressives seem to loath Clinton just a bit less than Trump. We have surrendered our national politics to the fringe, which our media celebrates. This is to me the real reason for so many feeling like the country is not moving in the right direction. We in the middle are abandoned for the sensational story of the reactionary fringe. Sadly, there is no stopping this until someone comes to the forefront who is not crazy and seeks to hold the media accountable while talking to the middle. Until then, clicks count not logic.
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Oh, stop! The race card was played in this election only by Treasonous Trump. It is not racism, or "playing the race card," to call out Treasonous Trump for the evil Psndora's box he opened. The only racists in this election are Treasonous Trump and those, like you, who try to justify his evil, hate filled rhetoric.
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Ridiculous. You know nothing about the left.
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Sorry, you cut and pasted this right off a alt-right site. Hit everyone of your code wards and everything
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Flip it around and tie her in with the 'Alt Left", people like the Black Panthers and BLM, and now suddenly you are racist.
Racism is racism, no matter what direction it's pointed at. According to the media, she has all the 'good' racists on her side, while Trump has all the 'bad' ones.
To me they are all the same, and she is simply throwing stones inside her own glass house.
Racism is racism, no matter what direction it's pointed at. According to the media, she has all the 'good' racists on her side, while Trump has all the 'bad' ones.
To me they are all the same, and she is simply throwing stones inside her own glass house.
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Clinton has not appointed a leading official of the Black Panthers or BLM to a prominent role in her campaign, neither has she referred to white males as rapists and murderers, or slandered the director of the FBI for not giving her a fair hearing because he is a white male.
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those who love fascism will always find a way to justify it.
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Let's see . If you're an "ex-Yankee," then that makes you a confederate, pro-slavery, racist. When have you ever heard Mrs. Clinton espouse any Black Panther ideology? She supports BLM because they do, although as an ex-Yankee, now racist confederate you obviously don't think they do. You are a member of the alt-right white supremacy movement. Why don't you just have the guts to admit it?
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Why are we sanitizing these people with a neutral sounding name like Alt-Right or Nationalists? Let's call them what they really are - White Supremacists. If there is such a thing as "white" culture, it has no redeeming qualities that should be protected - it is full of bigotry, hatred and ignorance.
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Wonder how that would sound if we switched things up a bit:
"If there is such a thing as "black" culture, it has no redeeming qualities that should be protected - it is full of bigotry, hatred and ignorance."
More racist diatribes from the Left, which is more guilty of this nonsense that the Right.
"If there is such a thing as "black" culture, it has no redeeming qualities that should be protected - it is full of bigotry, hatred and ignorance."
More racist diatribes from the Left, which is more guilty of this nonsense that the Right.
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Hillary's entire campaign is a diversionary attempt to smoke screen the Clinton Foundation's global pay-for-play fund raising. The whole e-mail debacle stems from the need to hide in plain sight how the Clintons became multi-millionaires all in the name of humanitarian programs.
Eventually the Clinton families' foundation salaries will reveal how well they have profited from Bill and Hillary selling their "influences" to the highest bidders and what percentage of the funds raised actually go to the much publicized programs.
The real question is, What is Hillary hiding and why?
Eventually the Clinton families' foundation salaries will reveal how well they have profited from Bill and Hillary selling their "influences" to the highest bidders and what percentage of the funds raised actually go to the much publicized programs.
The real question is, What is Hillary hiding and why?
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the real question for the fascists - the again anything is a question for the lunatic fringe.
What's Trump hiding by not revealing his tax returns? The audit isn't an excuse, he could also gives those that aren't under audit prior to 2008. There is no good reason other than the fact he might be embarrassed by them.
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"Alice laughed. ‘There’s no use trying,’ she said: ‘one can’t believe impossible things.’
"‘I daresay you haven’t had much practice,’ said the Queen. ‘When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast'.”
(Through the Looking Glass)
Let me make sure I got this straight: Hillary Clinton is running for POTUS, an undertaking that will keep her in the global spotlight at least until November, in order to HIDE shady dealings as SoS? And if she had retired quietly, we would have had a better chance of finding out about them?
"I'm running circles around your logic." (Monty Python's Flying Circus)
"‘I daresay you haven’t had much practice,’ said the Queen. ‘When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast'.”
(Through the Looking Glass)
Let me make sure I got this straight: Hillary Clinton is running for POTUS, an undertaking that will keep her in the global spotlight at least until November, in order to HIDE shady dealings as SoS? And if she had retired quietly, we would have had a better chance of finding out about them?
"I'm running circles around your logic." (Monty Python's Flying Circus)
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Enthusiastic Trump supporter here.
This is not an issue.
Just to bury this for anyone who thinks coherently:
Trump's daughter is Jewish.
The Muslims largely aligned with the Nazi's during WW2. The grand Mufti of Palestine spent the War in Germay
The way Islam is practiced throughout the world is a belief, not a race.
Neo-Nazi groups focus on anti-antisemitism
Hillary mentions race more than Trump
These aren't alt-Right groups, if anything they are alt-Left groups... you can't measure political beliefs in one dimension!!!
Time to focus on the REAL issues
We need to remove influence from American politics. Hillary is all about being beholden to foreign and other influence, Trump entered the race to break that cycle. He doesn't need it
This is not an issue.
Just to bury this for anyone who thinks coherently:
Trump's daughter is Jewish.
The Muslims largely aligned with the Nazi's during WW2. The grand Mufti of Palestine spent the War in Germay
The way Islam is practiced throughout the world is a belief, not a race.
Neo-Nazi groups focus on anti-antisemitism
Hillary mentions race more than Trump
These aren't alt-Right groups, if anything they are alt-Left groups... you can't measure political beliefs in one dimension!!!
Time to focus on the REAL issues
We need to remove influence from American politics. Hillary is all about being beholden to foreign and other influence, Trump entered the race to break that cycle. He doesn't need it
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Trump hired Paul Manafort and Carter Page, who are literal stooges of Putin. And you think he wants to rid America of foreign influence? Vote for Gary Johnson if you want to clean up the system. Trump makes it far, far worse.
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I beg to differ. This is a big issue. Trump is just all words, and absolutely zero substance. It's all about him, all the time.
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Thank you ,thank you thank you, I will forward your comment to everyone I know who is so sick and tired of reading and watching anti Trump news. Hillary is dishonest. The television channels and newspapers are unfair to a huge community that is supporting Trump. We do not want a continuation of the past 8 years.
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Alt Right...talk about redundant.
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There are signs of concern over at Fox re alt-right winning this race/controlling Washington. If Fox is becoming unsettled, all sane Americans should be terrified and vote accordingly.
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Well at least liberals aren't resorting to fear and panic.
#laughing
No seriously liberals...
#laughing
No seriously liberals...
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Rupert Murdoch and like hostility farmers pushed Nigel Farage's divisive politics along until he won a seat in Parliament for his UKIP Party..But here's what I don't get. Nigel finally achieves his life's aim, cutting Britain off from everyone else, and he quits both his party and his seat?
Beating feet? Nigel watched his aide taken away in handcuffs as they tried to board a plane out of Chicago after visiting the Republican convention in Cleveland. He's accused of money laundering on the Dark Web. But Nigel's spokes claim he had no clue the nephew of a big formula one owner flipped from Tory Lord to UKIP might prove to gear slippage?
Come on, RNC. Are these the two blokes who wooed them to hand Putin Ukraine? Farage and his captive aide? I wonder what the FBI is getting out of him...
Beating feet? Nigel watched his aide taken away in handcuffs as they tried to board a plane out of Chicago after visiting the Republican convention in Cleveland. He's accused of money laundering on the Dark Web. But Nigel's spokes claim he had no clue the nephew of a big formula one owner flipped from Tory Lord to UKIP might prove to gear slippage?
Come on, RNC. Are these the two blokes who wooed them to hand Putin Ukraine? Farage and his captive aide? I wonder what the FBI is getting out of him...
NYT, please keep these people in the spotlight. Maybe then the vast majority of those who have been swept up by "Donald really cares about me" will come to their senses. Either we all make it or none of us makes it. That's what the labor movement was about during the early 20th century. It worked because people stopped looking at their neighbors as the enemy. Unions have always been cracked by the "divide and conquer" mentality of politicians like Scott Walker who outlawed collective bargaining. It is time we stood together.
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WHOA !! Until now I never heard of American Renaissance, which make John Birch look like a left winger. It is an admittedly RACIST organization that gets tax breaks because it calls itself a non-profit. If these are the types that are attracted to Trump's campaign, then they will be empowered to go after President Clinton along with their hate for Jews, non-whites in general, immigrants and anyone who isn't a nazi.
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I'll take John Burch any day over Elijah Muhammed or Harvey Milk.
On the one hand, Alt-Right is a simple rebranding of the "New Right" (anti-communists, America-first nationalists) and the "Far Right" (white supremacists, militia movement) that were all the rage in the 1980s. We have seen these people before and, they seem to have a resurgence in American mainstream politics once every two to three decades (Goldwater in the 1960s, Reagan in the 1980s). On the other hand, this new version has clearly thrown "Neoconservatism" wing of the movement under the bus. Neoconservatism provided an intellectual compass and a moral check to rightwing politics. Certainly, the large number of Jews in the movement (Krauthammer, Frum, Krystol, Kagans, Feith, Boot), provided a check on rabid anti-Semitism that fueled older rightwing politics (American Nazi Party, KKK). Yet, this was an uneasy alliance and, for some, a glaring contradiction and betrayal within the American conservative tradition. Alt-Right has ditched the NeoCon section of the movement and used NeoCon's disloyalty toward Trump as a basis for excommunicating them.
The term "Alt-Right" itself has put a new coat of paint on the movement. The term sounds sophisticated and high tech (it's a keystroke in Windows). It also sounds independent (as in Alternative music--Nirvana, anyone?). This has allowed the movement to appeal to large numbers of hipsters and libertarians who are attracted to its anti-PC and anti-establishment rhetoric and posturing. The moral stakes of the election is now higher.
The term "Alt-Right" itself has put a new coat of paint on the movement. The term sounds sophisticated and high tech (it's a keystroke in Windows). It also sounds independent (as in Alternative music--Nirvana, anyone?). This has allowed the movement to appeal to large numbers of hipsters and libertarians who are attracted to its anti-PC and anti-establishment rhetoric and posturing. The moral stakes of the election is now higher.
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Ms Clinton has made the speech explaining Trumps sympathy and reliance on the Group called Alt Right and demonstrated by the appointment of Bannon as CEO of Trumps campaign.
Now she must take action with her family to merge the CGI with another like minded foundation such as the Gates Foundation and announce that agreement in principle now and to be enacted in the event she is elected.Chelsea also needs to step aside.Be decisive Hillary.
This will encourage legitimate questions about what will Trump do with his complex operations which will necessitate more transparency from him including full financial disclosure and the release of tax returns.
Ms Clinton and her endorsers such as the President, Vice President , Senators Warren and Sanders need to get out on the campaign trail and articulate the Democratic platform in clear and unequivocal terms in contrast to Trumps meandering on all most every aspect of the Republican agenda
That's leadership
Now she must take action with her family to merge the CGI with another like minded foundation such as the Gates Foundation and announce that agreement in principle now and to be enacted in the event she is elected.Chelsea also needs to step aside.Be decisive Hillary.
This will encourage legitimate questions about what will Trump do with his complex operations which will necessitate more transparency from him including full financial disclosure and the release of tax returns.
Ms Clinton and her endorsers such as the President, Vice President , Senators Warren and Sanders need to get out on the campaign trail and articulate the Democratic platform in clear and unequivocal terms in contrast to Trumps meandering on all most every aspect of the Republican agenda
That's leadership
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First they ignore you.
Then they call you a Nazi.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
Then they call you a Nazi.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
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You're aware the Nazis ultimately lost, right? I think you mixed up the last part there.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Fat chance of Treasonous Trump winning anything.
What does that even mean?
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Thank you Hillary for stating the obvious. The media has given the GOP and Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt for too long on them courting or belonging to white supremacist groups like the KKK and CCC. Alt-Right is just another of these ugly manifestations that the party has petted but at a distance until now. Now the GOP is getting bit for playing with a rabid beast that should have been put to rest long ago. Again, thank you Hillary for truthfully and with evidence pointing this out.
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The media has given the GOP and Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt for too long on them
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Too funny! One example of many: Trump jousts with a crying baby at a rally = 81 minutes of media coverage. Same day: Hillary's email scandal breaks wide open = 24 minutes of coverage.
Izzy Stone and Drew Pearson are laughing in Journo Heaven at the rank bias here below.
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Too funny! One example of many: Trump jousts with a crying baby at a rally = 81 minutes of media coverage. Same day: Hillary's email scandal breaks wide open = 24 minutes of coverage.
Izzy Stone and Drew Pearson are laughing in Journo Heaven at the rank bias here below.
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Clinton's speech showed what this election really is: a referendum on nationalist-branded hate and its place in national politics.
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Typical NY Times propaganda. Lumping every 'alt-right' (read anything that doesn't agree with the NY Times world-view) publication and group into one big anti-everything (women, minorities, diversity, inclusion, etc. etc.) and pro-white supremacy category. You know full well that your typical NY Times reader isn't sophisticated enough to do any sort of research into it and will parrot whatever you write. Do you actually get paid by the globalists? Oh yeah, you are their propaganda arm....
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Come on, Joe. Please, enlighten all of us poor saps who don't do research about what alt-right is. Don't hold back. I want to hear everything that group is about.
Feel free to post multiple times and use all caps if necessary.
Feel free to post multiple times and use all caps if necessary.
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People have finally awakened from the make-believe world of the Radical Enlightenment in the 18th Century. This sweeping social experiment based on pseudoscience about equality, democracy, feminism, human fungibility, cosmopolitanism, borderlessness, mass immigration, miscegenation and trying to erase the biological distinctions between men and women has come crashing down around us because it conflicts with man’s nature. “Social progress” can never happen because human nature doesn't change; and “social justice” remains forever beyond reach because society’s losers, misfits, weaklings, defectives, scolds, utopians, kooks and degenerates have conflicting grievances that they can’t reconcile, especially when it comes to dividing up the shrinking pile of spoils produced by generations of white people’s labor.
In other words, the Alt Right has rediscovered and articulated for our generation the essential tragedy of the human condition. It has become the voice of wisdom and maturity in a world full of delusions that we can no longer sustain. I find it encouraging that Donald Trump has stumbled upon this perspective, though I doubt he knows what to do with it. But thanks to his efforts, American politics in the 2020’s will look radically different from the nonsense that has damaged the United States for the past few generations.
In other words, the Alt Right has rediscovered and articulated for our generation the essential tragedy of the human condition. It has become the voice of wisdom and maturity in a world full of delusions that we can no longer sustain. I find it encouraging that Donald Trump has stumbled upon this perspective, though I doubt he knows what to do with it. But thanks to his efforts, American politics in the 2020’s will look radically different from the nonsense that has damaged the United States for the past few generations.
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Not if I can help it. If you want to move backwards, that's your choice. But the rest of the country is going the other way. Must be scary for you...
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Alt-Right defined …the sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society – and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic.
~ Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)
~ Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)
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I don't think I have ever been so frightened.
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Actually, Hillary Clinton gave the GOP an opportunity to redeem themselves by calling Trump part of the "Alt Right" and a faction, rather than simply the political right, as Trump professes himself. But now it is up to Republicans to take the occasion and denounce Trump as an unfit bigot. Those who are unwilling will besmirch themselves and their party for long after this election.
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It's so good of HRC to try to rehabilitate the Republican Party by separating it into two factions - the Trump half = bad - the Mitch McConnell/Paul Ryan half = good.
Just when the Republicans seemed to be totally unravelling, HRC is there to give praise to GWB and connect it to the Party of Lincoln. Yes, the REAL Republican Party is the one that has waged a war on people needing food stamps, championed torture (along with their friends the centrist Dems), started an illegal war, are continuing to wage a war on the reproductive rights of women - the list is endless.
But HRC is doing her best to make the GOP the party of respectability again - I guess, once a Goldwater girl, always a Goldwater girl. Besides, they have so many things in common - trade deals, fracking, Wall Street, neoliberal economics - started by Reagan, amped up under Clinton 1 and Obama.
Obviously she doesn't need, nor want, the base of the Democratic Party to turn out in November - she's making that apparent day by day. But hey, the true and good and patriotic Republicans are coming to her side so it's win-win for her and the special interests. Ignore the left and govern center-right - just what the American people have been hoping for after 8 years of Obama.
Just when the Republicans seemed to be totally unravelling, HRC is there to give praise to GWB and connect it to the Party of Lincoln. Yes, the REAL Republican Party is the one that has waged a war on people needing food stamps, championed torture (along with their friends the centrist Dems), started an illegal war, are continuing to wage a war on the reproductive rights of women - the list is endless.
But HRC is doing her best to make the GOP the party of respectability again - I guess, once a Goldwater girl, always a Goldwater girl. Besides, they have so many things in common - trade deals, fracking, Wall Street, neoliberal economics - started by Reagan, amped up under Clinton 1 and Obama.
Obviously she doesn't need, nor want, the base of the Democratic Party to turn out in November - she's making that apparent day by day. But hey, the true and good and patriotic Republicans are coming to her side so it's win-win for her and the special interests. Ignore the left and govern center-right - just what the American people have been hoping for after 8 years of Obama.
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If u listened to her speech, at the end she welcomed every American's support. What she exposed to the unknowing public is not about Democrats, Republicans or Independents, it is about the danger being posed to our country and the world.
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You said it, Kate.
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Your words here are much appreciated, skewering Clintonism as they do, locating it on the right where it belongs. Yet it seems you miss that the Democratic Party base is largely "center-right" these days. Sure, so-called Progressives still operate there, as well, but of course that's just for show, along with their votes.
Because there is no other game in town. Few of them will vote for anyone other than Ms. Clinton. Parliamentary system, anyone? Yeah, it'll never happen.
Because there is no other game in town. Few of them will vote for anyone other than Ms. Clinton. Parliamentary system, anyone? Yeah, it'll never happen.
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Don Trump's embrace of the alt-right movement clearly shows the racism behind his "Make America Great Again" slogan.
The truth always reveals itself in time.
The truth always reveals itself in time.
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The American Liberty League were a bunch of uniformed clowns ringing bells for Corporatism back in 1935 funded by global industrialists and their financiers out to stop banking regulation. Those poor fools stepped all over their own clangers calling for an end to everything by claiming corporations should take over the world. Let Donald be Donald, so to speak.
Aunt Peggy was a major founder, material funder, and often the richest woman in America as queen of Newmont Mining. You can sell a lot of copper when people are gearing up for their own civil wars, too!
Aunt Peggy was a major founder, material funder, and often the richest woman in America as queen of Newmont Mining. You can sell a lot of copper when people are gearing up for their own civil wars, too!
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With the Clinton's the "Truth" can be a long time coming, eh? She dodged FOIA requests for two (2) years, right off the bat.
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That truth was obvious from the beginning. In my rural area, it's clear that the Trump signs (which are not plentiful, by the way) are the equivalent of the Confederate flag.
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"By addressing the alt-right in such a prominent setting, Mrs. Clinton ran the risk of helping its cause."
Seriously? Does the Times reporter really think this is a possibility? This article is a blatant example of the journalistic scourge of equivalence. Find something positive to say about even this bunch of losers -- they might recruit more members.
Mrs. Clinton should be praised for turning over a rock and find the slugs underneath.
Seriously? Does the Times reporter really think this is a possibility? This article is a blatant example of the journalistic scourge of equivalence. Find something positive to say about even this bunch of losers -- they might recruit more members.
Mrs. Clinton should be praised for turning over a rock and find the slugs underneath.
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33,000 of the slugs remain missing under other rocks, perhaps in the Chappaqua countrywide. Are there any pumpkin patches in those tony precincts, btw?
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Exactly. And it's not even an attributed assertion, just something the reporter felt he needed to add. Clinton helping its cause? Um, no. That would be Trump. Pointing out the presence and growing influence of these hateful alt-right supremacists (who like Trump, are "gleeful" to receive the attention) should jolt the reality-based world into awareness about who they are and the very real danger they represent. Ms. Clinton should be applauded for having the courage to confront them head-on - it's telling and sad that other politicians have not. Perhaps at long last we can put to bed the blatant lie that the U.S. doesn't have a racism problem. In their rush for attention, these "white nationalists" have effectively outed themselves as hateful bigots. Ignorance about them and their motives is definitely not bliss.
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They dont. But they are required to stick to the plan of writing about the "alt right."
The Alt-Right is no match for the Control-W. (Close window.)
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The best key for The Clinton's is the NUM LOCK key. Numb, from all the locked-in scandals Team Clinton has generated. "To the manner born," of Criminality.
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Exposure is often the best disinfectant.
Early in Trump's primary campaign, it was clear that he was attracting people with a lot of hate in their hearts. He knew it and refused to do what a real leader in a democracy does - forcefully denounce violence and intolerance. Instead he calls such hatred being "politically incorrect" and encourages it.
The new, political Trump is pivoting, talks as if he is unaware of his dog whistles and wants us to believe that he is well-meaning towards all. But still calls for poll watchers, with a wink and a nod. The only people he seems to be fooling with his pivot is the media.
Clinton did the right thing - call Trump and his supporters out and force them into the spotlight.
Early in Trump's primary campaign, it was clear that he was attracting people with a lot of hate in their hearts. He knew it and refused to do what a real leader in a democracy does - forcefully denounce violence and intolerance. Instead he calls such hatred being "politically incorrect" and encourages it.
The new, political Trump is pivoting, talks as if he is unaware of his dog whistles and wants us to believe that he is well-meaning towards all. But still calls for poll watchers, with a wink and a nod. The only people he seems to be fooling with his pivot is the media.
Clinton did the right thing - call Trump and his supporters out and force them into the spotlight.
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I never heard of the Alt-Right before last week although I do know about skin heads, neo-Nazi and other White Supremacists. What Secretary Clinton did was correct in bringing to light just how much influence these sub cultures now have on the Republican Party. The Tea Party members are a little wacky and pretty far right, but they are not like the Alt-Right, although some may be members.
This is a dangerous group and parallels can be drawn to pre- WWII Germany when the Nazi movement was just beginning.
The Republican party must take a firm position against the infiltration of this group before the Republican party becomes unrecognizable. Even if it means going against the party's candidate. There's much more at stake then just winning the Presidency. There comes a time when being an American patriot comes before party loyalty.
This is a dangerous group and parallels can be drawn to pre- WWII Germany when the Nazi movement was just beginning.
The Republican party must take a firm position against the infiltration of this group before the Republican party becomes unrecognizable. Even if it means going against the party's candidate. There's much more at stake then just winning the Presidency. There comes a time when being an American patriot comes before party loyalty.
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This, coming from a candidate who successfully quashed the "alt left" by getting the DNC to do her bidding. At least she's a consistent centrist.
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What makes you think the "alt-left" was ever part of the DNC to begin with????
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You have got to be kidding. You seem to be forgetting the large majority of Democrats (not Independent carpetbaggers) who wholeheartedly supported HRC from day 1. Since she has been a Democrat for a good long while, it's unsurprising that her party supported her. And there's nothing shady about it. The excoriation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz was ridiculous. She did what she was supposed to do - stand up for the party's choice. Bernie Sanders was not the party's choice, by any measure, ever, and we weren't obligated to support him. I, for one, am not completely pleased with the platform items that the Democratic Party adopted to appease people like you. Free college and a national minimum wage that's fine for NYC and SF, but stupid for Wheeling WV, sound great, but they're not going to work the way you think they will. And they're not going to advance our shared goals of a kind and fair society. We shouldn't have bothered, because you're clearly not appeased.
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In addition to the various entities mentioned here is the Conservative Action Project, of which Kellyanne Conway is a member. See:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/how-many-coalitions-does-religious...
This is a secretive organization and belongs with the other groups fostering conservative ideals.
"Key players in CAP, members said, include Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway; Greg Mueller, president of CRC Public Relations; and former congressman David M. McIntosh (R-Ind.). Its only paid staff member is Patrick Pizzella, an official in the George W. Bush administration, who works out of the Council for National Policy offices."
Another group falling under the sway of the Conservative Action Project is the Family Research Council.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/family-res...
This is an organization vehemently opposed to the LBGT community.
This is just one of many.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/how-many-coalitions-does-religious...
This is a secretive organization and belongs with the other groups fostering conservative ideals.
"Key players in CAP, members said, include Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway; Greg Mueller, president of CRC Public Relations; and former congressman David M. McIntosh (R-Ind.). Its only paid staff member is Patrick Pizzella, an official in the George W. Bush administration, who works out of the Council for National Policy offices."
Another group falling under the sway of the Conservative Action Project is the Family Research Council.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/family-res...
This is an organization vehemently opposed to the LBGT community.
This is just one of many.
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The GOP is thrilled too, not only the so-called fringe.
Reagan began his presidential run in Mississippi, where civil rights workers had been murdered, then glowingly spoke of "states' rights," code words justifying bigotry and slavery.
The GOP is still Reagan's party, and it remains proud, proud, proud.
Reagan began his presidential run in Mississippi, where civil rights workers had been murdered, then glowingly spoke of "states' rights," code words justifying bigotry and slavery.
The GOP is still Reagan's party, and it remains proud, proud, proud.
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Agree, David. Hard to understand why anyone is SHOCKED at the racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny, etc. of the Republicans.
Donald Trump is the party's nominee, their leader, their role model, their spokesman, their implement.
Donald Trump is the party's nominee, their leader, their role model, their spokesman, their implement.
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States Rights is, of course, a 100-year long Democrat tradition, from Reconstruction right though to the Democrats' major atonements: the Civil Rights Act, and the Voting Rights Act. Still waiting for the DNC's atonement for the Vietnam War.
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Read history before you write.
We should stop calling these guys alt-right. What they are is white supremacists.
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Agree, AC. Surely the NYT will drop the cutesy euphemism and the backwards parentheses the Jew-haters use around their names to emphasize their own aryanism. (See the Bryce tweet given such prominence in the article.)
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In the footsteps of super Democrats Sen. Bobby Byrd, KKK fiddle player, and Sen. Strom Thurmond, Grand Kleagle of the Klueless Klan Kloggers.
They're also huge misogynists, though: they reserve some of their most colorful language for feminists or really anyone who talks about gender/women's issues.
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"Mr. Trump has publicly kept his distance from the alt-right,"
No he hasn't, not at all. He's retweeted them, hired alt-right advisors, and he's been saying alt-right talking points for months. He's been courting these people for a while now.
No he hasn't, not at all. He's retweeted them, hired alt-right advisors, and he's been saying alt-right talking points for months. He's been courting these people for a while now.
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All true except I don't think he's explicitly mentioned "alt-right"? Or he'll belatedly "disavow" one of them weeks later as if that absolves him from enabling their conduct.
As endorsements go, of course, nothing beats a re-tweet. "I thawt I thaw a puddy cat, tweetie bird."
Agree, Valerie. He wooed them with the birther attack on President Obama.
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I find it more than a little ironic that a group of people who rail against political correctness now insist on a softer, less-inflammatory label for themselves: the "alt-right." You know, because it would be offensive to call them what we used to: white supremacists, skinheads, neo-Nazis, racists.
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Yes, they must have taken a page from Hillary, who (for the moment, at least) calls herself a progressive, instead of a moderate or neocon.
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And how could you sustain ad hominem attacks without such puerile rants? Bring back No Child Left Behind, Obama, it's sorely needed by Democrats everywhere.
I have so many reactions to this article. With every strictly-news article covering with neutrality things like the alt-right, and their link to a major party candidate, I find myself with my eyes wide, wondering, "where is the OUTRAGE?" Is 2016 really the year where this, all of this madness, is okay? The one thing this article hit on the head was how alt-right is an antiseptic name for white supremacy. And anti-semitism. And misogyny. It's one heck of a lipstick application job on a pig.
To the commentator who asked why "the left" screams racism/homophobia etc, I'll answer. Because it is all that and then some - and I am hardly a blue dog democrat - that we should be screaming it. It's not left, it's human rights, a love of life and liberty, and hope for the future. And we should be outraged. My god, I have children.
To the commentator who asked why "the left" screams racism/homophobia etc, I'll answer. Because it is all that and then some - and I am hardly a blue dog democrat - that we should be screaming it. It's not left, it's human rights, a love of life and liberty, and hope for the future. And we should be outraged. My god, I have children.
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I fear that years of conservatives raging against the supposedly biased mainstream media successfully effected a change in reporting. Network news, cable news, even, sometimes, venerable publications like the Times draw false equivalencies and use weasel words and muted language. That downplays extremist views (think of Tea Party and birtherism coverage) and makes it seem as though both parties are equally culpable in any given controversy. Casual consumers of the news are therefore fed a false reality, one less likely to inspire outrage towards either party.
(It's going to sound like I'm shilling for Twitter, but, a few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a fascinating thread in which a journalism professor took to task an AP reporter over her "impartiality" which, he argued, isn't impartial at all; some conservative was objectively—that is, by the average person's standards—in the wrong, but her understated language left the interpretation ambiguous.)
(It's going to sound like I'm shilling for Twitter, but, a few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a fascinating thread in which a journalism professor took to task an AP reporter over her "impartiality" which, he argued, isn't impartial at all; some conservative was objectively—that is, by the average person's standards—in the wrong, but her understated language left the interpretation ambiguous.)
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My point is about engaging people with differing viewpoints. There is no doubt racism/sexism in our society. However, the left's response to nearly everything is is to scream 'racism, sexism, etc.' as opposed to actual engagement. I'm not talking about fringe elements; I'm talking about the middle 90% of this country.
"I have questions about Clinton's ethics and hawkishness"; "Be quiet, you're just sexist." "I have real concerns about 'bathroom bills' in this country and the potential for abuse by people acting out of bad faith"; "you are simply transphobic." --> this is repeated every day in the comments of this newspaper, and its not the political discourse our country is based upon. In many ways its extremely frightening.
My problem is exactly what I said: the answer is engagement, not silencing.
"I have questions about Clinton's ethics and hawkishness"; "Be quiet, you're just sexist." "I have real concerns about 'bathroom bills' in this country and the potential for abuse by people acting out of bad faith"; "you are simply transphobic." --> this is repeated every day in the comments of this newspaper, and its not the political discourse our country is based upon. In many ways its extremely frightening.
My problem is exactly what I said: the answer is engagement, not silencing.
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The reason there is no outrage is because the press has lost its bearings.
It no longer stands for anything. It relegates even the most destructive political ideas in a misguided celebration of "objectivity" when in actuality all it is, is a level of lazy relativism in which both helpful and destructive are reported on with equal credibility and no attempt to parse the consequences of each side's point of view.
To understand why we have the political problems we do, look no further than the "he-said-she-said" reporting that is all the rage. Not everyone's political views are of equal value. They must have forgotten to include that lesson in today's version of Journalism 101.
It no longer stands for anything. It relegates even the most destructive political ideas in a misguided celebration of "objectivity" when in actuality all it is, is a level of lazy relativism in which both helpful and destructive are reported on with equal credibility and no attempt to parse the consequences of each side's point of view.
To understand why we have the political problems we do, look no further than the "he-said-she-said" reporting that is all the rage. Not everyone's political views are of equal value. They must have forgotten to include that lesson in today's version of Journalism 101.
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"Alt" is right. Alternate reality.
Many Americans aren't aware of the depth of racial hatred in the United States. When President Obama was elected, some Americans preferred to believe in the fantasy of "post-racial America." The reality is much darker.
Hillary Clinton did the country a service by exposing this aggressive, violence-prone segment of the United States. The silence from "conservatives" is deafening.
Many Americans aren't aware of the depth of racial hatred in the United States. When President Obama was elected, some Americans preferred to believe in the fantasy of "post-racial America." The reality is much darker.
Hillary Clinton did the country a service by exposing this aggressive, violence-prone segment of the United States. The silence from "conservatives" is deafening.
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I don't think history will be kind to Republicans in the Obama chapter. The hatred—REAL hatred—stoked by party leaders among the rank and file will be distilled to what it really is: racism
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Mrs. Clinton ran a vicious racist campaign in 2008.
The Times in a January 9, 2008 editorial “Unite, Not Divide, Really This Time,” observed: “Mrs. Clinton ran an angry campaign in New Hampshire, and polls showed that voters noticed. She won narrowly, but came perilously close to injecting racial tension into what should have been – and still should be – an uplifting contest between the first major woman candidate and the first major African-American candidate.”
In February 2016 the Huffington Post ran a piece asking "How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign?"
Race was an issue in that Democratic campaign, an issue created by the Clintons double-teaming of Mr. Obama. So let's stop the pie-in-the-sky revisionist nonsense...
The Times in a January 9, 2008 editorial “Unite, Not Divide, Really This Time,” observed: “Mrs. Clinton ran an angry campaign in New Hampshire, and polls showed that voters noticed. She won narrowly, but came perilously close to injecting racial tension into what should have been – and still should be – an uplifting contest between the first major woman candidate and the first major African-American candidate.”
In February 2016 the Huffington Post ran a piece asking "How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign?"
Race was an issue in that Democratic campaign, an issue created by the Clintons double-teaming of Mr. Obama. So let's stop the pie-in-the-sky revisionist nonsense...
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Prior to the beginning of this unfortunate election cycle I had never heard of "Alt-Right" and after this unfortunate election is over I hope to never hear of them again. Let them crawl back into the anonymous bleak, dark corners of the internet where they can feed on their communal rage and hatred of the America that is leaving them behind.
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I was stopped in my tracks to read that they mocked ms. Clinton by calling her a grandma. When did that become a term of diminishment? Is it meant to suggest the next special interest group ripe for bigotry? And grandpas? Are they exempt by virtue of manliness?
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Sadly a lot of people use grandma or granny as a derogatory term. As a tech working, kick boxing grandma, I find it somewhat amusing.
If you want someone who is smart, tough, experience and with something to fight for, find a grandmother, we've been around the block, we know what's what and we're fighting for multiple generations.
If you want someone who is smart, tough, experience and with something to fight for, find a grandmother, we've been around the block, we know what's what and we're fighting for multiple generations.
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No, but by their way of thinking (?): "grandma" checks 2 boxes at once: ageism AND misogyny.
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I believe is has more to do with the fact that Millennials have been sold a bill of goods by Baby Boomers and their forebears. We have been left with a broken shell of a once great country thanks to the actions of those who came before, and not all of us are content to bury our faces in our phones and take that sort of insult lying down.
Hillary changing the subject. Deflection at its best.
A moralistic tone from Hillary? Chutspah at its best!
A moralistic tone from Hillary? Chutspah at its best!
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@lenny
Anything that will effect the American people is not "changing the subject".
But if you find nothing morally wrong with racism and white supremacists, that's something else.
Anything that will effect the American people is not "changing the subject".
But if you find nothing morally wrong with racism and white supremacists, that's something else.
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This article reads like a parody of "he said - she said" lazy journalism. Clinton gave a reasoned and very relevant speech, and the tweets of some Nazi nostalgists are given equal, if not greater weight.
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Its simply propaganda designed to manipulate readers into thinking Nazis speak for Trump or conservatives
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The Alt Right consists of younger (yet traditional) Americans who, despite the best efforts of the public schools and the mainstream media, miraculously discovered that they have been robbed of the country in which their parents and grandparents lived. They perceive that the great Burkean chain which links the living, the dead, and the yet unborn (the "posterity" mentioned in the Constitution) has been severed by the policies promulgated by the Left since the mid-1960s. Was getting caught part of the Alt Right's plan? Of course. The next step in that plan is proverbially crashing the GOP Establishment "with no survivors," in favor of creating a true opposition to the status quo. When Hillary mentioned her agreement with Paul Ryan, she revealed that modern Americans live in a carefully curated sandbox from which they aren't allowed to stray. There is no "supremacism" involved among the Alt Right as there is no desire to "rule over" other groups. Each group must independently and freely realize its own destiny. And there is no "hate"--hate takes too much energy to sustain for long--if anything it's "indifference" toward the fate and affairs of aliens and a restriction of one's “circle of concern” to the near and familiar. After all, if you take care of the other guy, and the other guy takes care of himself (per human nature), then no one is left to take care of you. Good walls, in this case, truly do make good neighbors, while pathological altruism just creates suckers.
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This is terrifying. Probably the closest thing I've seen to the rhetoric coming out of Germany in WWII.
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Sad take on the world. Am sure that "doesn't play well with others" appeared on several of your report cards as a child.
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Blacks tried to vote and were met with brutality, lynchings, kidnappings, firefighter hoses so powerful they could peel the bark off trees, and outright murder.
How were they to otherwise "realize" their own destiny in light of such empirical reality?
I agree with DR. Your post is beyond disturbing.
How were they to otherwise "realize" their own destiny in light of such empirical reality?
I agree with DR. Your post is beyond disturbing.
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Why does she waste her time attacking this craziness- She should stand above it and talk serious policy issues-
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I am a regular Breitbart reader, I enjoy their journalism and questioning of the party line that goes unchallenged in most media outlets. They hold politicans feet to the fire, and that is what a proper journalist should do.
Wikileaks has revealed the truth to a lot of the rumors about how corrupt and simply rotten the DNC elite is. Win or lose in November, you cannot shut up the voice of the people. Hillarys victory, should it come, will be hollow and she will not be able to govern the nation she called racist morons.
Fair warning to you all.
Wikileaks has revealed the truth to a lot of the rumors about how corrupt and simply rotten the DNC elite is. Win or lose in November, you cannot shut up the voice of the people. Hillarys victory, should it come, will be hollow and she will not be able to govern the nation she called racist morons.
Fair warning to you all.
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Thanks for the threat...I mean "fair warning," John. And just a reminder: your subscription to the National Enquirer is about to run out. Time to renew it for more of the same fine journalism you crave and devour.
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What, exactly are you warning against?
How creepy.
How creepy.
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Nice mugshot
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Hillary has a legitimate voice and she is well liked around the world as well as at home. She needs to speak out as often as possible.
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It is absolutely an obligation of not only the other candidates running for the highest office but the media and citizenry of the United States to call out the dangerously hateful rhetoric and ideas that are spewing from the Trump campaign. The lack of basic decency, of treating everyone--regardless of race, creed or sex--with dignified respect is simply unacceptable and should be denounced by literally anyone with a voice.
The Trump campaign has no ideas. No platform. No policy of any kind. That alone rules him out as a viable candidate.
But there is no defense for hatred, for bigotry, for misogyny. Trump is giving a voice and a confidence to the fringe of our society. Look at the demented republican governor of Maine suddenly feeling his oats. It doesn't matter what they call themselves. There is no sanitizing it. It is clear and evident. And that, beyond that Trump is unelectable, is dangerous.
He is no longer simply a national embarrassment. He is a menace to society. And every self-respecting republican of any intelligence whatsoever should be getting to a podium as quickly as they can.
Keeping quiet won't do here. If you do not speak up, you are with him. You endorse him. Donald Trump, who gives voice to ignorance itself, is your voice.
The rest of us--we must speak up as well. And vote hard.
The Trump campaign has no ideas. No platform. No policy of any kind. That alone rules him out as a viable candidate.
But there is no defense for hatred, for bigotry, for misogyny. Trump is giving a voice and a confidence to the fringe of our society. Look at the demented republican governor of Maine suddenly feeling his oats. It doesn't matter what they call themselves. There is no sanitizing it. It is clear and evident. And that, beyond that Trump is unelectable, is dangerous.
He is no longer simply a national embarrassment. He is a menace to society. And every self-respecting republican of any intelligence whatsoever should be getting to a podium as quickly as they can.
Keeping quiet won't do here. If you do not speak up, you are with him. You endorse him. Donald Trump, who gives voice to ignorance itself, is your voice.
The rest of us--we must speak up as well. And vote hard.
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In a recent article, the Pentagon and Dr. Hoffman of the National Defense University expressed concerned about how to combat Russia’s use of “hybrid warfare,”; stealth invasion, local proxy forces, international propaganda, conventional/unconventional forces, information warfare, propaganda, and economic measures to undermine its enemies when it annexed Crimea and destabilize eastern Ukraine.
Like the Russians, the GOP are using the very same “hybrid warfare”
The GOP & Trump, following the direction of Joseph Goebbels who said that by repeating a few very specific ideas and understanding the psychology of the people concerned you could make them believe that a square is in fact a circle by just using words, and words can be molded to disguise intent. The purpose of propaganda isn’t to be intellectually pleasing or to control a few mindless people but instead, conquer the broad masses. They also use the wordsmithing of Dr. Frank Luntz, who understands how to use words that insight people to act purely on emotions and without all of the facts, manipulate people to act against their own needs.
Walker goes to Germany & England and 47 senators send a letter to the leader of Iran, Bush goes to Estonia (Russia).
The GOP uses gerrymandering, voter restrictions, limiting information freedoms, economic warfare defunding the country’s budget, destabilizes the country using fear tactics, provoking: racism, hyper-right religion, confederacy. Koch spending a billion dollars.
Like the Russians, the GOP are using the very same “hybrid warfare”
The GOP & Trump, following the direction of Joseph Goebbels who said that by repeating a few very specific ideas and understanding the psychology of the people concerned you could make them believe that a square is in fact a circle by just using words, and words can be molded to disguise intent. The purpose of propaganda isn’t to be intellectually pleasing or to control a few mindless people but instead, conquer the broad masses. They also use the wordsmithing of Dr. Frank Luntz, who understands how to use words that insight people to act purely on emotions and without all of the facts, manipulate people to act against their own needs.
Walker goes to Germany & England and 47 senators send a letter to the leader of Iran, Bush goes to Estonia (Russia).
The GOP uses gerrymandering, voter restrictions, limiting information freedoms, economic warfare defunding the country’s budget, destabilizes the country using fear tactics, provoking: racism, hyper-right religion, confederacy. Koch spending a billion dollars.
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Don't tell the Estonians that they're Russians.
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When you have a confirmed pathological liar calling you a racist Trump must be the most non racist person in America.
Everyone with any brains realizes this is a desperate attempt by Hillary to draw attention away from the investigations of her criminal activities.
Everyone with any brains realizes this is a desperate attempt by Hillary to draw attention away from the investigations of her criminal activities.
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You said "confirmed pathological liar" and I assumed you meant Trump.
I actually had to re-read and realize that Trump wasn't calling himself a racist.
No matter what you think of her or how flawed you think she is:
Hillary has a lifetime record of public service.
Trump has a lifetime record of self service.
He's no blue collar champion. He simply tells people whatever they want to hear in order to get them to do what he wants. Simple as that. He's not going to "Help" or do anything. He's just going to enjoy the ego boost and then let Pence & Putin run the show. After he gets his ego fed, he literally will not care.
I actually had to re-read and realize that Trump wasn't calling himself a racist.
No matter what you think of her or how flawed you think she is:
Hillary has a lifetime record of public service.
Trump has a lifetime record of self service.
He's no blue collar champion. He simply tells people whatever they want to hear in order to get them to do what he wants. Simple as that. He's not going to "Help" or do anything. He's just going to enjoy the ego boost and then let Pence & Putin run the show. After he gets his ego fed, he literally will not care.
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Yes, Don, you've hit it on the head. Hillary Clinton is seizing on Donald Trump's blustery stupidity to steer attention away from her problems. The woman is an evil genius.
Trump is the real liar who has been shown to lie a lot more than Hillary. Perhaps you can explain to us what his stance is on immigration since he doesn't seem to know. It appears to change daily with the weather.
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It's a great delusion of the past few decades, promoted in part by the media, that hard-core, vicious, overt racism - the old-school kind - no longer exists and functions in this country. We're supposed to be past all that.
To some extent ignoring a thing robs it of legitimacy, but since Obama's first campaign we've all seen how "polite" racism works in the extraordinary and often ludicrous efforts of Republican members of Congress to simply destroy anything that might reflect well on him - even legislation that they themselves supported in the past. It's not been seen as quite permissible in the mainstream to call that out for what it is; "playing the race card" crosses some terrible line of propriety. It opens cans of worms that we'd rather not try not wrestle with. It seems wiser to just fight policies and principles.
But then, there were the more obviously ugly elements. The vicious racist cartoons and emails, the jokes and slurs, and of course Trump's birther movement. The press is reluctant to discuss the fact that an entire political party tolerates and fosters bigotry and nurtures racism for votes or on principle, and that the sort of outspoken haters who are now openly supporting Donald Trump have been there all along, in numbers. Hillary wants fleeing Republicans, so she's making him out to be an anomaly there. The truth is, call him out and you call out the whole party.
Name it, denounce it, and stamp it out.
To some extent ignoring a thing robs it of legitimacy, but since Obama's first campaign we've all seen how "polite" racism works in the extraordinary and often ludicrous efforts of Republican members of Congress to simply destroy anything that might reflect well on him - even legislation that they themselves supported in the past. It's not been seen as quite permissible in the mainstream to call that out for what it is; "playing the race card" crosses some terrible line of propriety. It opens cans of worms that we'd rather not try not wrestle with. It seems wiser to just fight policies and principles.
But then, there were the more obviously ugly elements. The vicious racist cartoons and emails, the jokes and slurs, and of course Trump's birther movement. The press is reluctant to discuss the fact that an entire political party tolerates and fosters bigotry and nurtures racism for votes or on principle, and that the sort of outspoken haters who are now openly supporting Donald Trump have been there all along, in numbers. Hillary wants fleeing Republicans, so she's making him out to be an anomaly there. The truth is, call him out and you call out the whole party.
Name it, denounce it, and stamp it out.
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So the election has turned into a series of insults and who isn't or is a bigot. What about the way they would govern? We have two of the worst candidates ever. One is a loose cannon and the other is a female Nixon. We are in trouble America.
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It strikes me that who is or isn't a bigot is a really important factor in a person's ability to govern.
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The alt right is not racist. It's simply people who think being a white american is something to be proud of not shunned and they believe that all races should be equal. In the current political climate white people are supposed to "check their privilege" and "apologize" for things that are either out of their control or which occurred hundreds of years ago. Most whites in America are also immigrants that came here a few generations ago and have nothing to do with America's dark past. The alt right believes that Americans, of all races should be proud and the American cultures should be preserved. Globalism is the opposite of that and that's what Hillary is for, that's why she denounces the alt right.
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I think you might be describing the "alt-alt-right", the ones that aren't birthers, in favor of voter suppression of minorities, or adherents to any other white supremacist nonsense.
Which American cultures should be preserved?
What's wrong with being proud of being part of the human race, of being American and of some ethnic, religious or other subculture? Why should one be mutually exclusive of the others? Until we are able to colonize other planets, we are stuck on this globe together.
Which American cultures should be preserved?
What's wrong with being proud of being part of the human race, of being American and of some ethnic, religious or other subculture? Why should one be mutually exclusive of the others? Until we are able to colonize other planets, we are stuck on this globe together.
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Yeah, and the Nazis weren't racist either, they just wanted a Germany for Germans and traditional German culture. How do we know? Because they said so, just like you're saying so now. *eyeroll*
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"The alt right is not racist"? Do you live in an alternate universe? Wikipedia summarizes the alt right as "The alt-right has no official ideology, but various sources have described it as a loosely-defined conservative movement that is associated with white nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism, right-wing populism, nativism, and the neoreactionary movement."
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Forgive me, I must have missed the day the lunatic fringe became the `alt-right'.
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I am amazed about how the media lets Hillary get away with ranting about Trump and not mentioning anything she plans to do (other than raise taxes) and the media just parrots it. She hasn't had a news conference or taken un-scripted questions in about a year and yet the media just nods with great admiration. Not a fan of Trump but he is better than Hillary and at least he gives some clues about his agenda.
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You may be right about Hillary -- but I have yet to hear ONE policy issue from Trump - -other than the wall and deporting millions of illegals (how that will be done- - who knows).
How is calmly repeating things Trump and his supporters say or publish "ranting," Grant?
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@grant
I'm amazed that you even bring up the subject of taxes without even mentioning Trump has never shown his.
Another thing.
Want to know about Clinton's plan?? -- look at the website.
It's all there.
I'm amazed that you even bring up the subject of taxes without even mentioning Trump has never shown his.
Another thing.
Want to know about Clinton's plan?? -- look at the website.
It's all there.
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Where did the term alt right come from? Guessing the Democrat Party colluded with the major media to dream it up and bring it to the fore.
What about alt left dominated by Marxists and socialists Thier heros are Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Hillary is firing them up when she preaches about expanding the size, scope, and power of the central planners over it's citizens. The alt left has responded with violence against Trump supporters in San Jose and in smaller incidents across the country.
Just a purposeful distraction from her lying/corruption issues.
What about the weak economy, underemployment, poverty, Syria, Libya, Iran, Russia, North Korea and an honest, transparent government. Hillary has nothing when it comes to these important issues so she reinvents the right wing conspiracy and plays the race card. What a leader.
What about alt left dominated by Marxists and socialists Thier heros are Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Hillary is firing them up when she preaches about expanding the size, scope, and power of the central planners over it's citizens. The alt left has responded with violence against Trump supporters in San Jose and in smaller incidents across the country.
Just a purposeful distraction from her lying/corruption issues.
What about the weak economy, underemployment, poverty, Syria, Libya, Iran, Russia, North Korea and an honest, transparent government. Hillary has nothing when it comes to these important issues so she reinvents the right wing conspiracy and plays the race card. What a leader.
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What?
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If you would have read the article instead of rushing to spew your hatred of the left in the comment section you would have learned the the term was first used by Richard B. Spencer, the president of the white-nationalist National Policy Institute.
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Larry, you sound ridiculous.
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Hillary may have a good chance of winning the Presidency, but something that can't be forgotten or ignored is the level of hatred, xenophobia, bigotry and racism that has surfaced. As an immigrant, I'm shocked at the volume of people that feel this way! It's sad, very sad.
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I absolutely agree. This is why all of us who are horrified must do all we can to speak out loud about it and encourage people to VOTE....not just in November, but every day, by the choices they make.
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It may be sad, but it is human nature. It is unnatural to like and welcome the "other." The world may rue the day that governments began to tear down borders and criminalize nationalism. Strong borders, and unified, proud, distinct cultural and ethnic groups are essential to peace and stability. Whether you like or not, we are not one world, one people and I don't think we ever will be.
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Isn't the movement's calling its nakedly ambitious white nationalist movement "the alt-right" actually the ultimate exercise in political correctness? Talk about hypocrisy.
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This of group of sick malcontents is a greater threat to our society and well being than ISIS and should be monitored constatnly.
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Your suggestion contradicts the NYT's abhorrence of monitoring individuals solely for their ideology, such as mosques known to espouse Wahhabism. Your comment will no doubt be deleted by the moderators.
This can be done by the Sthn Poverty Law Council.
Send your money now to Morris Dees.
Send your money now to Morris Dees.
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Obviously, the alt-right is never going to support Mrs. Clinton and obviously they feed on her strong rebuke of everything they represent. Ardent Trump supporters will likely be unmoved by Mrs. Clinton's attempt to tie Mr. Trump to the white supremacist movement. As Mr. Trump now appears to be softening his stance somewhat on immigration and attempting to reach out to minorities in his teleprompter controlled speeches, Mrs. Clinton is trying to sway those moderate Republican voters with a social conscience who might be contemplating a nose-holding vote for Mr. Trump but could be convinced otherwise by her passionate argument about his alt-right connections. Essentially, there is nothing for Hillary Clinton to lose here as she forces Donald Trump to defend himself while simultaneously shining a light on his heretofore alt-right constituents hiding in the shadows.
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No, this is HRC trying to educate American's not paying attention how white supremacists are trying to become mainstream through the Trump campaign.
Maybe she should have let everyone guess what they're talking about. Steve Bannon is not someone you'd want around your kids or grandkids unless of course you agree that this should be a white only nation.
Maybe she should have let everyone guess what they're talking about. Steve Bannon is not someone you'd want around your kids or grandkids unless of course you agree that this should be a white only nation.
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Of course they are delighted.
They wouldn't have been this powerful and so much out of the holes in the ground they live in if Janet Napolitano had done her job at Homeland Security. When her analysts stated the greatest threat to this country was from groups like this the right wing blogosphere went insane. So she groveled, apologized and then trashed the analysts. So there was no plan in place to do anything about this? These groups basically got sanctioned by the very governmental entity supposed to protect us and this country from them. We are left to rely on the wonderful Southern Poverty Law center for help. They can only do so much.
They wouldn't have been this powerful and so much out of the holes in the ground they live in if Janet Napolitano had done her job at Homeland Security. When her analysts stated the greatest threat to this country was from groups like this the right wing blogosphere went insane. So she groveled, apologized and then trashed the analysts. So there was no plan in place to do anything about this? These groups basically got sanctioned by the very governmental entity supposed to protect us and this country from them. We are left to rely on the wonderful Southern Poverty Law center for help. They can only do so much.
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Geez Eve, it's America! You can't stop someone from believing and saying what they want unless it's shouting fire in a crowded theater. Janet Napolitano, really? How far back to you have to go for that one? What would you have the government do exactly? Stop American's from spouting drivel? At what point are your words not drivel to someone else? Stop and think before you post about anyones 1st amendment rights
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Hillary will not pay the price for giving such a needed speech. Trump will pay the price. Along with the alt-right.
That's because conservatives are very uncomfortable. With both trump and his cozying up to a nemesis they abhore. (Any conservatives who do not abhorent herald-right are simply hypocrites!)
That's because conservatives are very uncomfortable. With both trump and his cozying up to a nemesis they abhore. (Any conservatives who do not abhorent herald-right are simply hypocrites!)
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Well now all this hatred and bigotry is finally out of the closet. It needs a good airing out. I think Mrs. Clinton did the right thing. This election is about more than the climate and the economy. Its also about the ugly underbelly in our country. It needs to be discussed publicly. And the Republican Party needs to man up and admit that they are at the bottom of it. They may not have meant for it to happen like this, but here it is in all its ugliness.
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"Out of the closet", how about Hillary holding a real press conference to address the broad range of topics in an open, on camera, Q&A?
It's time to be open & honest Hillary if you want to be president.
It's time to be open & honest Hillary if you want to be president.
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Yes, the Republicans couldn't contain their hatred any longer. They have unleashed it, and it is showering everyone with pus.
To see our country lowered to this is heart-breaking.
To see our country lowered to this is heart-breaking.
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@bill
Don't worry. I'm sure she'll manage to find time to fit that in between the Republican witch-hunts and FBI hearings.
Don't worry. I'm sure she'll manage to find time to fit that in between the Republican witch-hunts and FBI hearings.
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Lee Atwater, a former southern political strategist, is famously quoted for having said that politics is about tying a dead cat around the neck of your opponent. Mrs. Clinton and her surrogates have endorsed that strategy to the fullest by associating Trump and conservatism with racism, sexism, nativism, homophobia and virtually everything else that riles the blood of her political base. She, of course, would reject any attributed association with radical progressive groups, even though most of their members will vote for her.
The sad and dangerous part of this type of politicking by Mrs. Clinton is that it represents such an unthinking rejection of the fundamental principles of this country. Progressives hate it, but the foundational principles of our country are private property, free enterprise and individual liberty. Progressive wish to confiscate some people's property and redistribute it to others, so they hate private property. They wish to regulate the economy to dictate their preferred economic outcomes, so they hate free enterprise. They wish to dictate social attitudes, and to impose mandatory cultural norms, so they hate individual liberty. OK . . .we get it and would be happy to debate the issues on those terms. But you can't assert that those who honor our foundational principles are simply a bunch of alt-right, uneducated, retrograde lunatics, any more than you can say Hillary voters are the lunatics burning down our cities. It's a lie!
The sad and dangerous part of this type of politicking by Mrs. Clinton is that it represents such an unthinking rejection of the fundamental principles of this country. Progressives hate it, but the foundational principles of our country are private property, free enterprise and individual liberty. Progressive wish to confiscate some people's property and redistribute it to others, so they hate private property. They wish to regulate the economy to dictate their preferred economic outcomes, so they hate free enterprise. They wish to dictate social attitudes, and to impose mandatory cultural norms, so they hate individual liberty. OK . . .we get it and would be happy to debate the issues on those terms. But you can't assert that those who honor our foundational principles are simply a bunch of alt-right, uneducated, retrograde lunatics, any more than you can say Hillary voters are the lunatics burning down our cities. It's a lie!
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Let alone that you willfully ignore the blatant racist overtone of the Trump campaign, which was the central point of this speech by HRC, but your argument about fundamental principles is just wrong headed. The concept of private property and free enterprise can exist and be regulated for the common good, as it is done in many civilized countries that are doing very well, thank you very much.
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I have NEVER heard ANY progressive state that they wish to "confiscate" private property and distribute it. Progressives want LIVING WAGES -- not THEFT of labor! PRogressives want single payer health care -- enjoyed by citizens of EVERY industrialized nation on earth -- instead of rapacious for-profit health care that leaves many unable to afford health care. Progressives want clean air and clean water. Oh, but that would rob the rich from profits! So we can't have clean air and clean water! And we can't have living wage jobs!
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@AR Clayboy: Your statement belies the facts: Trump IS a race-baiter.
He was the original "Birther" and waived that banner long and proudly.
HE associates with White Supremacists. HE has failed to disavow David Duke and the KKK.
HE is the one who plans to build a wall and calls Mexicans rapists and murderers.
HE is the one who mocks the Moslem parents of a fallen soldier.
Hillary isn't making this stuff up. It's in the Public Record.
Trump OWNS it. The GOP OWNS it.
He was the original "Birther" and waived that banner long and proudly.
HE associates with White Supremacists. HE has failed to disavow David Duke and the KKK.
HE is the one who plans to build a wall and calls Mexicans rapists and murderers.
HE is the one who mocks the Moslem parents of a fallen soldier.
Hillary isn't making this stuff up. It's in the Public Record.
Trump OWNS it. The GOP OWNS it.
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I for one am terrified at the prospect of dozens, perhaps even hundreds of alt right warriors climbing out of their mothers' basements in their NeoNazi cosplay outfits and unleashing their terrible fury on all they encounter. Imagine all the savage anonymous comments they will make, blinking in the sunshine for the first time in years.
Oh, the sub-humanity!
Oh, the sub-humanity!
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Against anonymous comments? So your name really is "Reality Chex"?
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In Germany, there was once silence before the storm
Thank you Hillary Clinton. More!
Thank you Hillary Clinton. More!
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This a dangerous fallacy. 77K Germans died between 1933-1945 fighting internally for sanity. There wasn't silence, the hate filled bigots won.
I say this, because I think we take for granted how vocal and vigilant we need to be. I think we think no rational person would do these horrible things or think these small-minded thoughts. We're wrong. And we have to treat hatred and bigotry seriously, because it isn't a foregone conclusion that kindness and inclusivity will win the day.
I say this, because I think we take for granted how vocal and vigilant we need to be. I think we think no rational person would do these horrible things or think these small-minded thoughts. We're wrong. And we have to treat hatred and bigotry seriously, because it isn't a foregone conclusion that kindness and inclusivity will win the day.
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And what does Trump have to defend himself with against these charges? Nothing but his cliche that Mrs. Clinton is a bigot because she seeks black votes. And where does he stand on black votes? Insulting an entire group of people, to a white audience no less, by saying that their status is so poor, they have nothing to lose by voting for him.
Trump makes the case strongly for his own bigotry.
Trump makes the case strongly for his own bigotry.
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Of course the alt-right is thrilled. Someone has actually noticed them.
Racism of any form is rooted in two things -- narcissism (hence Trump's appeal) and a sense of personal inadequacy. Bluntly put, it's essence is the belief that "I might be the dumbest, laziest -- (insert favoured racial/ethnic group of choice) -- in the world, but I am still better than any of "those" people."
One facet of the inadequate personality is a craving of attention -- even in its' negative form. The alt-right has been noticed! It doesn't matter what is actually said -- they noticed us!!! It's their wildest fantasy come true.
Racism of any form is rooted in two things -- narcissism (hence Trump's appeal) and a sense of personal inadequacy. Bluntly put, it's essence is the belief that "I might be the dumbest, laziest -- (insert favoured racial/ethnic group of choice) -- in the world, but I am still better than any of "those" people."
One facet of the inadequate personality is a craving of attention -- even in its' negative form. The alt-right has been noticed! It doesn't matter what is actually said -- they noticed us!!! It's their wildest fantasy come true.
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It's like cockroaches cheering as the fridge is removed so that they can be sprayed.
As such, good call by Secretary Clinton to get this out into the open where it belongs. I can't wait to watch the right wing spin.
As such, good call by Secretary Clinton to get this out into the open where it belongs. I can't wait to watch the right wing spin.
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And good for Hillary Clinton that she specified that Trump's attacks on President Obama, going back to the charges of a fake birth certificate, were racist, too. We've known it all along, and it's time someone called Trump on it.
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I would like to know what engenders such bigotry & hatred in these white supremacists. I believe that many (or most) have never had an interaction with a person of another color. The alt-right are a sorry lot.
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So black pride, Asian pride, Latino pride and Gay Pride are all worthy of celebration and parades, but somehow White pride is evil?
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Not "evil" -- just unnecessary and obnoxious in a nation whose leadership and control has been entirely or mostly white during its 240 years of existence, which has treated non-whites as inferior, and where whiteness is the standard. I say this as a white person, although the Irish, Jews and Slavs weren't "white" either once, so those of us with such ancestry should not be surprised if we're kicked out of the real White Pride parade.
How about referring to these guys as what they are: losers that cannot compete when the playing field is even remotely even?
Nothing to see here, just a bunch of pathetic whiners that refuse to work hard and expect to get an income and lifestyle like their fathers had back when minorities and women were slaves to white men.
My problem with the way people talk about Trump and these other dopes is that they talk about how "offensive" they are. Let's be clear: they love Trump BECAUSE he offends you. They hate you. You hate Trump. Therefore they love Trump. This isn't complicated. Trump is the king of narcissistic losers. I'm not offended by him or them. I pity them.
Nothing to see here, just a bunch of pathetic whiners that refuse to work hard and expect to get an income and lifestyle like their fathers had back when minorities and women were slaves to white men.
My problem with the way people talk about Trump and these other dopes is that they talk about how "offensive" they are. Let's be clear: they love Trump BECAUSE he offends you. They hate you. You hate Trump. Therefore they love Trump. This isn't complicated. Trump is the king of narcissistic losers. I'm not offended by him or them. I pity them.
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The old "culture wars" have now shifted, and the conservatives (who started them) are not leading the charge anymore. The alt-right thinks it is holding the baton, but many religious and secular conservatives, and the vast majority of moderates and liberals, are horrified by the fringe white supremacists, hostile conspiracy paranoids, and neo-Confederate-fascist freaks who have all put the GOP on their heels and on the defensive as the demons from Pandora's box have been released.
Clinton has baited them, and the rats are emerging from their holes. Pride comes before a fall.
Clinton has baited them, and the rats are emerging from their holes. Pride comes before a fall.
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Although I'm happy that Ms. Clinton is shining a bright light on what the alt-right believes and stands for, the need for it makes me very sad. These people aren't true conservatives, they're a grotesque distortion of what conservatism used to represent . They fear and hate anything or anyone whom they deem to be different, whether it be race, gender, education, national origin or religion.
this cancer in their mindset was formed long ago, and that disease has festered ever since. I believe that it's impossible to convince an alt-right acolyte of anything that doesn't conform to their twisted logic.
They've probably always existed here, but, it seems that now , there are a more of them.
I fear them, but, I also pity them. Imagine what it must be like to live in the brain that is so consumed with hate.
this cancer in their mindset was formed long ago, and that disease has festered ever since. I believe that it's impossible to convince an alt-right acolyte of anything that doesn't conform to their twisted logic.
They've probably always existed here, but, it seems that now , there are a more of them.
I fear them, but, I also pity them. Imagine what it must be like to live in the brain that is so consumed with hate.
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The "alt-right" movement is America's home-grown terrorism. A group that eschews facts and critical thinking in lieu of "feelings" and "intuition". A group for whom science and social justice are somehow fraught with negative connotations. A group for whom the end always justifies the means, and the end is only beneficial for themselves, at the expense of not just the rest of America, but the rest of the world. A group that certainly would include Timothy McVeigh, Cliven Bundy, or Ted Kaczynski among their intellectual brethren. I fail to see how their extreme stances are any less dangerous to the peace and prosperity of our communities in the USA than any group of the groups Muslims or "SJW"s that so vociferously condemn.
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Wow - You pretty much described the far left also.
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It's a truism, but extremes always touch.
Sounds like a stand up group of guys just wanting to start a club and make it exclusive. Can I join? I heard that from my father's side there is a bit of Aryan Blood in my history. A bunch of them came over from Persia and Inner Europe and populated the Asian sub-continent. How can I find out if I qualify? Seems like the fastest way they can expand membership is to go outside their ethnic group and and be inclusive.
Do I have to own a bunch of guns, a white sheet set with a hood and learn how to burn a cross? Except for the hood part, I even have an all cotton 400 count thread new white sheet set, a shotgun and shells. Though I don't want to I can get a handgun, an AR-15 as well, I don't even have to leave the house, the interwebs are great for shopping! and go over to Texas and walk around with my personal armory for the initiation especially if they are becoming more kinder and gentler and can provide an attached bathroom when we head off into the woods to bond and do a drum circle...I'll even bring the chips and salsa.
Do I have to own a bunch of guns, a white sheet set with a hood and learn how to burn a cross? Except for the hood part, I even have an all cotton 400 count thread new white sheet set, a shotgun and shells. Though I don't want to I can get a handgun, an AR-15 as well, I don't even have to leave the house, the interwebs are great for shopping! and go over to Texas and walk around with my personal armory for the initiation especially if they are becoming more kinder and gentler and can provide an attached bathroom when we head off into the woods to bond and do a drum circle...I'll even bring the chips and salsa.
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You might enjoy the book Confederates in the Attic. There's an interview with a woman in the KKK who says she thinks the white attire is a nice look, it's an inconvenient laundry problem. Racism has its downsides.
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David Duke mentioned Trump specifically in his own candidacy for Senate, stating that Trump has brought the 'concerns' he has had for years and brought them to a large audience.
Worry less about distinctions like "Alt Right" and more about the destructiveness and divisiveness of hateful figures.
Worry less about distinctions like "Alt Right" and more about the destructiveness and divisiveness of hateful figures.
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McConnell.
Ryan.
Silent.......
VOTE.
Ryan.
Silent.......
VOTE.
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Donald Trump as presidential candidate, alone, is frightening enough, but when you factor in the people now running his campaign, frightening is an understatement. Read up on Mr. Bannon. He's a one man wrecking crew and proud of it. He fully intends to burn the whole thing down and doesn't care who gets hurt, the more the better, especially if you're not a white male, wrapped in a flag, with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other (Jewish are also not welcome). The thing he wants to burn down is our way of government, democracy itself, and Trump is the means by which he hopes to accomplish this.
I've not been a big fan of Hillary - but right now she's looking like a saint.
I've not been a big fan of Hillary - but right now she's looking like a saint.
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"...However, its views are widely seen as white supremacist and anti-Semitic..."
Is it really? This is the usual cherry-picking and name-calling that the Left engages in to demonize anyone who disagrees with them on ANY issue.
Are there some racists on the Alt-Right movement? Of course, just as there are some in the BLM movement (unless all those murdered police officers were killed by feelings of love and tolerance?), but to use tweets from internet trolls, of which there are plenty on both sides, as 'proof' is sloppy and biased reporting.
Is it really? This is the usual cherry-picking and name-calling that the Left engages in to demonize anyone who disagrees with them on ANY issue.
Are there some racists on the Alt-Right movement? Of course, just as there are some in the BLM movement (unless all those murdered police officers were killed by feelings of love and tolerance?), but to use tweets from internet trolls, of which there are plenty on both sides, as 'proof' is sloppy and biased reporting.
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That's absurd. I've visited all the sites. That wishy-washy sentence should have read, "It's views are white supremicist and anti-Semitic." Do you think we can't see for ourselves? Though Breitbart has sort of (sort of) cleaned up its act a bit lately - wonder why?
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To equivocate Black Lives Matter with the Alt-Right is sloppy and biased as well.
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@ confetti
You've visited *all* the sites? Everyone that exists?
Or just those mentioned in this biased article?
You've visited *all* the sites? Everyone that exists?
Or just those mentioned in this biased article?
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Why should anyone believe a word Clinton says?
Dishonest politicians should be condemned.
Spending huge advertising dollars, with money acquired by promising political favors while Secretary of State, does not change the dishonesty.
Dishonest politicians should be condemned.
Spending huge advertising dollars, with money acquired by promising political favors while Secretary of State, does not change the dishonesty.
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Fine, research alt-right for yourself and get back to us.
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@jvk
If dishonest politicians should be condemned, go ahead and Trump's name to the list.
You think he became a BILLIONIARE by not doing favors??? -- And we'll never know who for, but his association with Paul Manafort might be a fair indication.
If dishonest politicians should be condemned, go ahead and Trump's name to the list.
You think he became a BILLIONIARE by not doing favors??? -- And we'll never know who for, but his association with Paul Manafort might be a fair indication.
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Hillary Clinton did not bring the Alt-right to the national stage; Donald Trump did when he hired Bannon as CEO of his campaign.
So, Clinton stands up to be bullies and is blamed for acknowledging that bullies exist.
Journalists do not have be neutral to be truthful.
So, Clinton stands up to be bullies and is blamed for acknowledging that bullies exist.
Journalists do not have be neutral to be truthful.
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Never wrestle with a skunk. Rise above. We need to win.
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@hull
This isn't "wrestling with a skunk" -- this is showing people what a skunk looks like.
This isn't "wrestling with a skunk" -- this is showing people what a skunk looks like.
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Trump is a racist and the record shows it. Latest evidence is his hiring of Steve Bannon as CEO of his campaign. Bannon has done a lot to normalize the racist, anti-Semitic world of the alt right.
But it goes much farther back. Starting in 1973 when the Trump organization was sued by Richard Nixon's DOJ for discriminating against blacks in the rental of apartments that Trump owned. Instead of complying with the law he doubled down, hiring one of the most notorious lawyers in the country, Roy Cohn, and commence an all-out legal war. Cohn, who had been Joe McCarthy’s chief inquisitor during the senator’s witch hunt for communists in the government, filed a $410 million lawsuit against the federal government and smeared the justice department attorneys with terms such as “storm troopers” and “Gestapo.” Trump complained in the press of “reverse discrimination” and alleged a “nationwide drive” to force landlords to “rent to welfare recipients.”
"Is Donald Trump Racist? Here's What the Record Shows"
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
But it goes much farther back. Starting in 1973 when the Trump organization was sued by Richard Nixon's DOJ for discriminating against blacks in the rental of apartments that Trump owned. Instead of complying with the law he doubled down, hiring one of the most notorious lawyers in the country, Roy Cohn, and commence an all-out legal war. Cohn, who had been Joe McCarthy’s chief inquisitor during the senator’s witch hunt for communists in the government, filed a $410 million lawsuit against the federal government and smeared the justice department attorneys with terms such as “storm troopers” and “Gestapo.” Trump complained in the press of “reverse discrimination” and alleged a “nationwide drive” to force landlords to “rent to welfare recipients.”
"Is Donald Trump Racist? Here's What the Record Shows"
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
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Since they like and made up "alt-right" much like Islamic State made up their name, it's probably best not to use it--let's go with "far-whackadoodle".
Like the so-called IS, the far-whackadoodle also crave attention and relish every attempt by others to destroy them with security measures at our own freedom's expense, because our freedom's expense is exactly what they want (especially the "our" among us who are minorities of whatever kind). Using Real Name Harassment like Facebook, Google+, and increasingly Twitter do is counterproductive, because they simply use their accounts for a few brief hate skirmishes (or get so popular like Milo Y that they can be worshipped as martyrs and avenged with third-party cyberbullying by the choir).
Instead, brush off their cyberbullying entirely. Block and report any that target you--NEVER engage them, especially in the public chat minefield of Twitter where they can just call other troll friends to pile on hate. NEVER publicly give out the kinds of personal and address info that would help the FW trolls locate you or your kids--if a site like Facebook requires you to, delete your account there and go elsewhere (and repeat each time the next one pulls a WhatsApp).
You CAN demand that current Real Name Harassment users allow and prefer pseudonyms, which as an added bonus gives less data to advertisers, themselves a security risk with each and every banner. That they're so eager to court advertisers, though, makes them best avoided.
Like the so-called IS, the far-whackadoodle also crave attention and relish every attempt by others to destroy them with security measures at our own freedom's expense, because our freedom's expense is exactly what they want (especially the "our" among us who are minorities of whatever kind). Using Real Name Harassment like Facebook, Google+, and increasingly Twitter do is counterproductive, because they simply use their accounts for a few brief hate skirmishes (or get so popular like Milo Y that they can be worshipped as martyrs and avenged with third-party cyberbullying by the choir).
Instead, brush off their cyberbullying entirely. Block and report any that target you--NEVER engage them, especially in the public chat minefield of Twitter where they can just call other troll friends to pile on hate. NEVER publicly give out the kinds of personal and address info that would help the FW trolls locate you or your kids--if a site like Facebook requires you to, delete your account there and go elsewhere (and repeat each time the next one pulls a WhatsApp).
You CAN demand that current Real Name Harassment users allow and prefer pseudonyms, which as an added bonus gives less data to advertisers, themselves a security risk with each and every banner. That they're so eager to court advertisers, though, makes them best avoided.
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Hillary Clinton has thrown down the gauntlet and it is up to Republicans to either unequivocally denounce Trump or unequivocally state that they endorse Trump’s racism. No more cop-outs like Paul Ryan stating that Trump’s words meet the definition of a racist, but a Republican agenda comes first. There is no middle ground with dangerous, fringe views.
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When is Hillary going to start talking about her agenda——particularly the most important one for our country : her war hawk stance on foreign affairs?
“Clinton's Transition Team: A Corporate Presidency Foretold”
Hillary will be very, very, very right-wing on foreign policy, what they called a muscular foreign policy, which was a euphemism for invading places.
"What you're seeing is complete domination by what used to be the Democratic Leadership Council. So this was a group we talked about in the past. Very, very, very right-wing on foreign policy, what they called a muscular foreign policy, which was a euphemism for invading places.
“Clinton's Transition Team: A Corporate Presidency Foretold”
Hillary will be very, very, very right-wing on foreign policy, what they called a muscular foreign policy, which was a euphemism for invading places.
"What you're seeing is complete domination by what used to be the Democratic Leadership Council. So this was a group we talked about in the past. Very, very, very right-wing on foreign policy, what they called a muscular foreign policy, which was a euphemism for invading places.
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I don't know. Only three "very"s really doesn't convince me. If you had used four or five, maybe. Six would have had a real shot.
Or you could just offer the source for your quote and some supporting arguments on who and where you expect Hillary to invade.
Or you could just offer the source for your quote and some supporting arguments on who and where you expect Hillary to invade.
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What is the substantive difference between one, two, and three 'verys'?
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It's difficult to know how to deal with unreasonable people. I just finished writing a long message to a history forum wondering if, in WW 2, Churchill's polite and detailed messages to Stalin actually made things worse since Stalin never responded in kind.
The bottom line is that "unreasonable" should be the guiding principle when trying to arrive at the correct response. Nothing you say (and only some of what you do) will change the mind of a committed extremist. The only effect you can hope for is that people who actually take the time to think about it might alter their opinions. So, whether the "alt right" crowd likes Clinton's attention or not is irrelevant. If it helps the rest of us to appreciate the danger they pose to us, then the attention is worthwhile.
The bottom line is that "unreasonable" should be the guiding principle when trying to arrive at the correct response. Nothing you say (and only some of what you do) will change the mind of a committed extremist. The only effect you can hope for is that people who actually take the time to think about it might alter their opinions. So, whether the "alt right" crowd likes Clinton's attention or not is irrelevant. If it helps the rest of us to appreciate the danger they pose to us, then the attention is worthwhile.
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There's a reasonable chance that the world today would be a better, more peaceful place if the Allies had never given a single truck or round of ammunition to the Soviets during WWII.
Part of my family lived under Stalin and nothing anyone said to him could have made anything worse....so stop wondering if Churchill's messages. You make some excellent points, but you might wonder which of the two canadiates poses a greater danger to this country. Remember Obama said the HRC would say anything to get elected wile Trump says whatever he wants. You tell me which is worse. Trumps business dealings may stink, but you tell me that the Clinton Foundation smells like roses or a sewer. No wonder the logical American voters are not happy with the choices served up by the 1 pc, and will have to hold their respective noses when they vote, if they vote at all.
Thank you Dan, I can rest easily now knowing that someone like yourself will accurately define "unreasonable" for the rest of us. So please weigh in:
Was it "unreasonable" for Hillary to not release her paid speeches to the wealthy?
Was it "unreasonable" for Hillary to claim that she did nothing wrong with her emails?
Was it "unreasonable" for the Clinton Foundation to accept large amounts of money from foreign governments with business before Hillary Clintons State Dept?
Perhaps your answers will help the rest of us to appreciate the relevancy and to appreciate the danger posed to us.
Was it "unreasonable" for Hillary to not release her paid speeches to the wealthy?
Was it "unreasonable" for Hillary to claim that she did nothing wrong with her emails?
Was it "unreasonable" for the Clinton Foundation to accept large amounts of money from foreign governments with business before Hillary Clintons State Dept?
Perhaps your answers will help the rest of us to appreciate the relevancy and to appreciate the danger posed to us.
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"Mr. Trump has publicly kept his distance from the alt-right, but his critics have accused him of offering subtle cues to invite its support." I don't understand how Mr. Rappeport can say this. Trump has been publicly aligning himself with the alt-right throughout his campaign, most often through his twitter account. He has not publicly kept his distance. He has publicly align himself. Wake up.
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Yes. I found this article disturbingly over-careful - as if we need to preface everything with "his critics say", and "it's widely held", etc. when stating simple matters of fact. The man chooses Breitbart, who openly identifies with alt-right, to help head his campaign and Trump's complicity is a matter for speculation? Come on.
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The NYT presents a Tweet from Timothy Bryce without commenting on the coded nature of his handle: specifically, those odd-looking outward facing parentheses. In the alt-right, names are enclosed in three pairs of inward-facing parentheses to indicate that the subject is a Jew, or when the goal is to imply that they are one, even if they're really not. Especially when the idea is to discount, persecute, or belittle them accordingly.
Outward-facing triple parentheses are, naturally, the opposite. It's a way to broadcast anti-Semitism in a way that's openly understood by its intended audience, but supposed to opaque to outsiders, like a thieves' cant.
Outward-facing triple parentheses are, naturally, the opposite. It's a way to broadcast anti-Semitism in a way that's openly understood by its intended audience, but supposed to opaque to outsiders, like a thieves' cant.
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Thanks James, I've been seeing those and wondered what they meant. The original intent was chilling, glad people are messing with the alt-right as much as possible.
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@james
I for one, would have not known this -- So, thank you for the de-briefing...
But it's still a little scary.
I for one, would have not known this -- So, thank you for the de-briefing...
But it's still a little scary.
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James, thank you for pointing this out. I skipped right over it. Added bonus: I now notice that his domain address is Lord of the Edge. How creepy is that?
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Why do these groups all think of "supremacy" in terms that make it very, very clear that they can't compete without excluding large parts of the population? A very fearful lack of confidence in supposed superiority there.
alt-Right = We're number 1 (once we exclude everyone but our sorry selves).
alt-Right = We're number 1 (once we exclude everyone but our sorry selves).
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Besides the obvious mistake in legitimizing an obvious fringe group, I'm very concerned about 'concept creep' in labeling a group as too toxic to engage.
The extreme right has taken nationalism to new heights, but I'm simultaneously concerned about how the mainstream left has taken 'shut down speech' to new heights. Far too often the first response the left has to any criticism, even if it is valid and/or constructive, is to scream "You're RACIST!" as if silencing dissent is the goal as opposed to actually improving our society.
Why does the left feel like screaming racism!/homophobia!/transphobia!/sexism!/men's right activist! is both the beginning and end of a valid policy discussion? The extreme right is certainly guilty of this too, but shut down speech followed with public shaming has grown into the modus operandi for how the mainstream left deals with nearly any criticism, even valid criticism.
To Mrs. Clinton's commentary on the alt-right, she has now given a collective descriptor to anybody that disagrees with the mainstream left's platform. This is the concept creep I fear, and as soon as you are labeled with this scarlett letter(s) (A-R?), you will no longer be taken seriously and you and your ideas have effectively been shut out of public discourse. Frankly, the right and the left have become so toxic, I'm not sure who the good guys are anymore.
The extreme right has taken nationalism to new heights, but I'm simultaneously concerned about how the mainstream left has taken 'shut down speech' to new heights. Far too often the first response the left has to any criticism, even if it is valid and/or constructive, is to scream "You're RACIST!" as if silencing dissent is the goal as opposed to actually improving our society.
Why does the left feel like screaming racism!/homophobia!/transphobia!/sexism!/men's right activist! is both the beginning and end of a valid policy discussion? The extreme right is certainly guilty of this too, but shut down speech followed with public shaming has grown into the modus operandi for how the mainstream left deals with nearly any criticism, even valid criticism.
To Mrs. Clinton's commentary on the alt-right, she has now given a collective descriptor to anybody that disagrees with the mainstream left's platform. This is the concept creep I fear, and as soon as you are labeled with this scarlett letter(s) (A-R?), you will no longer be taken seriously and you and your ideas have effectively been shut out of public discourse. Frankly, the right and the left have become so toxic, I'm not sure who the good guys are anymore.
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@ Barkley:
Agreed. The Left has adamantly refused to listen to any other point of view and immediately resorts to slurs, name-calling, and violence to shut down speech not considered 'correct'.
But, outside of being described as such in this article, is there any other evidence that the Alt-Right is an odious 'fringe group'? Certainly there will be some lunatics that use that moniker, but that is true on both sides of the aisle.
Agreed. The Left has adamantly refused to listen to any other point of view and immediately resorts to slurs, name-calling, and violence to shut down speech not considered 'correct'.
But, outside of being described as such in this article, is there any other evidence that the Alt-Right is an odious 'fringe group'? Certainly there will be some lunatics that use that moniker, but that is true on both sides of the aisle.
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This is absolutely a false equivalency. The mainsteam left's so-called "shutdown speech" does not physically harm anyone. You may be offended personally; too bad for you. But the Alt-Right's hateful rhetoric has actually led to people being physically abused & sometimes murdered.
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Is it ok for Trump to suggest poll watchers in Philly? Is it ok for people at trumps rallies to tell blacks to go back to Africa as Trump applauds the bouncers? Is it ok for Trump to demonize the entire black community without any concrete answers? The only concrete is in his head!
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Hillary doesn't need to chase Trump about his racism he's quite handy with opening his gob and putting his foot in it.
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@hc
It's not a matter of "chasing" -- it's a matter of showing America what it would be in for if Trump were elected.
It's not a matter of "chasing" -- it's a matter of showing America what it would be in for if Trump were elected.
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Maybe they need a beer hall putsch to put them on the map?
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Being fascists, they always have such matters in mind.
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@joel
Too late. They're already on the map -- it's just not one that most of us are aware of.
Too late. They're already on the map -- it's just not one that most of us are aware of.
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Careful what you wish for, they may get more of a foothold established than anyone cares to contemplate. These ideas are held by many more Americans than this article or the commenters here realize. That is a threat, but Mrs. Clinton's speech was not the way to address it.
Please quit doing these racists and fascists a favor by using their favored terminology, they are white-supremacists. This is the type of poor reporting that has contributed to America allowing an ugly fascist to become a major party nominee. Objective reality is not he said/she said in this case. Please show some civic responsibility. Thank you.
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No offense but I think if some white supremacists try to pretend they are something they are not by referring to themselves by a different name, alt-right, then Hillary is warning anyone who does not know this about them. Millions of conservatives in this country and lots of them might think this is a new band wagon to hop on and show they are part of the new conservative movement without knowing what it really represents. Hillary is just calling them out on what they really stand for so no one is misled. Thank you.
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Civic responsibility is showing us what this movement is, and who they are.
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Haters gonna hate, but how in the heck do haters hate with a such a goofy name fronting them, alt right? Hahahaha!
Ridiculous. The haters are showing signs of weakening.
Ridiculous. The haters are showing signs of weakening.
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after reading this and your article about Ms Clinton's presentation, I am left with the impression that we have an adult and a high-school sophomore running for president. Frankly, I don't like either of them. I prefer, though, to have our nation lead by an adult.
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While I agree with you completely, I can't help but think you've inadvertently insulted a huge majority of high school sophomores.
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With a country of 320 million Americans to manage and the world always hanging in a delicate balance, Donald Trump chose Brietbart propagandist Stephen Bannonto lead America over a right-wing Trumpian cliff.
Yesterday, Hillary Clinton quoted old headlines from the Breitbart News website overseen by Mr. Trump’s new campaign chief, Stephen Bannon.
“Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy”
‘Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?’
“Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage.”
The Alt-Right, Mr. Bannon and Mr. Trump are all very sick people hellbent on making America sick, stupid and crazy.
Yesterday, Hillary Clinton quoted old headlines from the Breitbart News website overseen by Mr. Trump’s new campaign chief, Stephen Bannon.
“Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy”
‘Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?’
“Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage.”
The Alt-Right, Mr. Bannon and Mr. Trump are all very sick people hellbent on making America sick, stupid and crazy.
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I'll bite. What's the upside (for them) in "making America sick, stupid and crazy"?
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jkw....Greed Over People
It's much easier to steal and rob the national treasury from a sea of morons than it is from an education, informed citizenry.
It's much easier to steal and rob the national treasury from a sea of morons than it is from an education, informed citizenry.
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And today we find out the upstanding Bannon choked his wife and was charged with domestic violence. Pretty sure the alt-right thinks that's a plus.
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I have an aol email address (I know but I'm virtually geriatric) and occasionally I look at the reader comments on various article which aol runs on its home page. I'm constantly astonished at the hate, venom, misogyny, racism, fear-mongering and over-the-top paranoia evidenced in so many of those comments (especially the most popular ones).
No, "astonished" is not the word. "Saddened" and, yes, "scared" would better describe how I feel.
God help us all as no matter who wins, and I certainly hope it's Hillary in a landslide, the dark side of human nature can now, as Trump has so amply demonstrated, be given free reign in the public marketplace.
No, "astonished" is not the word. "Saddened" and, yes, "scared" would better describe how I feel.
God help us all as no matter who wins, and I certainly hope it's Hillary in a landslide, the dark side of human nature can now, as Trump has so amply demonstrated, be given free reign in the public marketplace.
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Don't be afraid. These guys are lashing out because they are so lazy and pathetic that they can't compete when there's an even playing field. They lament the good old days because back then their fathers didn't have to do much more than be not-black and not-women in order to succeed. Now they have to actually work as hard as women and minorities have always had to work, and they can't measure up. They are weak. That is why they are angry.
Have confidence. Their time is over.
Have confidence. Their time is over.
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Some of the comments here suggest Clinton should not have given this speech; that she's 'kicked the hornets nest.'
This is so much mansplaining; she shouldn't have done this. She's not the one promoting racist ideology; she's the one pointing it out, like a responsible adult who seriously cares about the future of this country. Far, far better to put the blame where it belongs: upon Trump and his supporters and the media platforms that have repeatedly ignored the vileness fueling Trump's campaign.
Ignoring bores rarely works. Cast them out of our political process when you vote.
This is so much mansplaining; she shouldn't have done this. She's not the one promoting racist ideology; she's the one pointing it out, like a responsible adult who seriously cares about the future of this country. Far, far better to put the blame where it belongs: upon Trump and his supporters and the media platforms that have repeatedly ignored the vileness fueling Trump's campaign.
Ignoring bores rarely works. Cast them out of our political process when you vote.
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"She's not the one promoting racist ideology; "
But doesn't she support BLM, which chose Michael Brown as one of its "martyrs" and seems to think that only the lives of black criminals killed by the police really matter?
But doesn't she support BLM, which chose Michael Brown as one of its "martyrs" and seems to think that only the lives of black criminals killed by the police really matter?
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"This is so much mansplaining" --> so this criticism is invalid because it came from a man? You can't demonstrate that its only men saying this...so you're genderizing this criticism as 'male' to highlight it's innate evil? Who is the bigot here? I'm disappointed that something so painfully and obviously sexist made the "NYT Picks'.
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Mansplaining? Was every comment that suggested Clinton shouldn't have given the speech written by a man?
Stop bashing men. A lot of us are Democrats and plan to vote for Hillary. You're not helping.
Stop bashing men. A lot of us are Democrats and plan to vote for Hillary. You're not helping.
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Trump has been spending the last week making a play for fence-sitters who weren't comfortable with his previous rhetoric. Clinton needed to shine a light on his alt-right supporters so there is no confusion about their beliefs or agenda. Trump's team knows that his radical fringe supporters won't abandon him because he throws some sweetness to potential voters.
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Maybe some of us just believe the 'culture wars' are not a zero-sum game where white culture needs to be destroyed to accommodate others. Evoking clansmen is just a variation on Godwin's law used to stifle discussion.
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Absolutely.
The Left is even worse than the Right in their attempts to stifle speech that does not align with their own.
The Left is even worse than the Right in their attempts to stifle speech that does not align with their own.
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Verifiable examples, FSM?
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Mr. Spencer called the predominantly black members of the "Black Lives Matter" movement "Domestic Terrorists". That is a blatantly racist attempt at getting them killed.
Long ago, there was Hitler, and Mussolini, and Stalin,................
Now there is Trump and his followers.
I cordially invite them all to self-deport if they are so dissastified with this great diversified nation.
Long ago, there was Hitler, and Mussolini, and Stalin,................
Now there is Trump and his followers.
I cordially invite them all to self-deport if they are so dissastified with this great diversified nation.
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Alt-Right? Where the heck does a term such as this spring full-formed from the political ozone? Searching in vain in this article for some explication of the term and it's origins I followed two links in this piece and then another and found a lengthy discussion of the term's origins, meaning and alleged adherents. Ironically, the source of such clarity is Breitbart.com. Curious-er and curious-er.
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Vox has a very big, very substantive and very good explainer about the alt-right. And the term has been around for a while, I've been hearing about it for at least a year.
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The American right wing sure victimizes the poor fools who buy its delusions.
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So many of you that are my age should remember when the same comments about the "far right" were made in 60's during Nixon/Kennedy days and Johnson/Goldwater days. Not calling out these awful groups does not mean that they are not there. You cannot legitimize hate by pointing out their ugly heads and their even uglier supporters. We are a point where helping and underprivileged groups now means that we must help the privileged groups equally. Real Charity!
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Trump's nomination and campaign for President has brought us here. He didn't cause the hate we're seeing bubbling to the surface, he freed that hate from its moorings. It's no longer as submerged as it was.
Beyond that, I'm at a loss for words at these hatemongers. They speak volumes about themselves with their open glee at Secretary Clinton denouncing them, and what they say is far from admirable. It's sickening. I hope the better in us sees them for what they are, and that their vile behavior backfires on them, and on Trump.
Beyond that, I'm at a loss for words at these hatemongers. They speak volumes about themselves with their open glee at Secretary Clinton denouncing them, and what they say is far from admirable. It's sickening. I hope the better in us sees them for what they are, and that their vile behavior backfires on them, and on Trump.
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No doubt she drew attention to it for some in that they are correct but for others who did not know about them and would be appalled, she also drew attention. These people live so much in their own bubble they don't realize how they sound to the outside world--singularly unattractive.
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Good for Clinton. There's a kind of civil war in our country -- a struggle between us liberals and progressives on the one hand and bigoted yahoos on the other (with a large number of people in between). It is useless now to call for "bipartisanship" or "working together" or "transcending politics". No! There are now clearly delineated opponents. Let us fight it out.
Later, after we have won good victories, there might be room for some accommodation. We do, after all, share the same landmass. But till those victories, we have to duke it out. No appeasement. No "preemptive surrender".
Go, Hillary! You have your faults, God knows, but you know how to fight. So fight!
Later, after we have won good victories, there might be room for some accommodation. We do, after all, share the same landmass. But till those victories, we have to duke it out. No appeasement. No "preemptive surrender".
Go, Hillary! You have your faults, God knows, but you know how to fight. So fight!
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I'm with you (and Hillary). Let's fight it out!
The Civil War was a necessary fight to have. The big mistake was the relaxation after the war that allowed Jim Crow in the old South to reinstate their ugly culture. As a result, we're still fighting it.
I'm reading Churchill's history of WW 2. There was some controversy at the time about whether the Allies should have insisted on "unconditional surrender". But look at the result. Both Germany and Japan have now become functioning, respected democracies.
I believe that the only real mistake President Obama has made was his earnest effort to cooperate with people who think that "cooperate" is a four letter word. But it was a big mistake. We do need a real revolution in this country, but it's not the one that alt-right wants.
The Civil War was a necessary fight to have. The big mistake was the relaxation after the war that allowed Jim Crow in the old South to reinstate their ugly culture. As a result, we're still fighting it.
I'm reading Churchill's history of WW 2. There was some controversy at the time about whether the Allies should have insisted on "unconditional surrender". But look at the result. Both Germany and Japan have now become functioning, respected democracies.
I believe that the only real mistake President Obama has made was his earnest effort to cooperate with people who think that "cooperate" is a four letter word. But it was a big mistake. We do need a real revolution in this country, but it's not the one that alt-right wants.
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“ With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in…”
With Lincoln assassinated, Jefferson Davis (freed from prison after 18 months, a rather charitable incarceration for a traitor) propagandized as a Lost Cause that justified the South's having started a war to protect slavery as a protection of “States' Rights.”
Never mind that the Confederate Constitution forbade states from ever outlawing slavery. The Lost Cause continues today in the Confederate War flags waved at Trump's rallies & elsewhere that defenders of an old social order with Whites clearly at the top, wave.
It'll be great to have this virulent racism exposed, and fully discredited. The current 10% spread in polls does nothing of the sort. Those in favor of Civil and Political Rights for all, will need to keep reminding America of it, maybe for decades more.
With Lincoln assassinated, Jefferson Davis (freed from prison after 18 months, a rather charitable incarceration for a traitor) propagandized as a Lost Cause that justified the South's having started a war to protect slavery as a protection of “States' Rights.”
Never mind that the Confederate Constitution forbade states from ever outlawing slavery. The Lost Cause continues today in the Confederate War flags waved at Trump's rallies & elsewhere that defenders of an old social order with Whites clearly at the top, wave.
It'll be great to have this virulent racism exposed, and fully discredited. The current 10% spread in polls does nothing of the sort. Those in favor of Civil and Political Rights for all, will need to keep reminding America of it, maybe for decades more.
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Thomas Mann and Norman Orenstein (two conservative scholars) get it right in "Even Worse Than It Looks," from the New York Times bestseller list. "Punish a party for ideological extremism (today that means the GOP) by voting against it. IT is a sure fire way to bring the party back into the political mainstream." Two strong parties with an exchange of
ideas and compromise in governance is what makes the American system work. Liberal or conservative, we are ALL better served when this works.
ideas and compromise in governance is what makes the American system work. Liberal or conservative, we are ALL better served when this works.
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Apparently both ISIS and alt-right find validation in condemnation.
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Here's one of the most racist statements I've heard from a political figure. You would think that the person is describing animals, but they're talking about black children.
"They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators,' " "No conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."
HRC
"They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators,' " "No conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."
HRC
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You left out the fact that the reference was about drug dealers and the term children was not used in the way you imply.
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She was not talking about all black children, but the fact is that there are American children of different colors and ethnicities, especially including white children who have committed atrocious acts. Look at most of the mass murders in this country. Most committed by whites and many by children or very young adults.
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This is out of context. She was referring to vicious gang members who were killing ruthlessly. She didn't say anything about race. She had the support of many blacks and whites back then in the 90's who knew how out of control the situation was.
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Honestly I'm not sure why the NY Times consider this news seeing how the alt-right has had nearly a year of free endorsement by association with Trump. As usual Trump, the man that talks alot but says nothing, and his bunch of mental midgets are grasping at every little thing in desperation to validate themselves.
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Oh please. This meme is swirling the bowl from the alt-right people this morning. It IS news because the denizens of the right have been called out. They prefer the shadows.
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What is the point of journalism these days? Hillary made a well reasoned case. Trump just yelled BIGOT! They both have records - why not analyze them? How do we defeat racism if false equivocators in the press keep pretending that discussing racism is the same thing as BEING racist?
Seriously, NYT - why do you exist if not to enlighten on topics like these?
Seriously, NYT - why do you exist if not to enlighten on topics like these?
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@jd
True. They might both have records, but only ONE of them is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
You figure out the rest.
True. They might both have records, but only ONE of them is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
You figure out the rest.
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They were mentioned by a presidential candidate. Of course they're elated! Feeling like a an unappreciated child who was just suddenly noticed. In a bad light. They should be treated like a terrorist group. No acknowledgement. Keep pretending they don't exist. They are un-American.
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Ignore it and hope it will go away? One of the first lessons of adulthood is that never works. The next adult lesson is to pick your battles wisely, and this is a battle that must be fought!
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The dogs, the Furies, of the Civil War have not slept now for well over a hundred years. I reckon these kinds of people, the aggrieved American troglodyte, must be in the millions. How many? Enough to be injurious for a very long time yet. They hand on generation to generation their thinking.
The freedoms we enjoy in this country, in step with Democracy and a failed education system—replaced by systemic ignorance and animal desires—may someday be our undoing.
No, it threatens now.
The freedoms we enjoy in this country, in step with Democracy and a failed education system—replaced by systemic ignorance and animal desires—may someday be our undoing.
No, it threatens now.
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My only criticism of Clinton's speech is that she wasn't explicitly clear that the label "alt-right" is an attempt to sanitize what is more commonly known as white supremacy. But kudos to her for drawing attention to and educating Americans on this shameful subculture. Shining a light on them doesn't bring them into the mainstream. Cancer doesn't cure itself if you pretend it isn't there.
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Can the NYTimes provide a little more coverage of Alt Right's policy/political beliefs? If you are really looking to get them laughed out of the room, you'd do better to focus more on that than their obvious racism. I be willing to bet that there are a lot of (soft-core) racists out there who are fired up by all this talk that would be less so once they heard about what Alt Right thinks a "good" country should look like.
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"Mr. Trump has publicly kept his distance from the alt-right" OMG, how can the Times say that. That is a demonstrably false statement. How is hiring Bannon, the self-identified mouthpiece for the Alt-right "publicly keeping his distance." Really stunned that the media is not saying, clearly, that everything Clinton said is true and all you need to prove that is to go to a Trump rally and record the audience. The Times reporters who cover Trump have to know this. Why aren't you printing it? Press objectivity does not require you to put your head in the sand and pretend you do not hear and see what goes on at his political "rallies."
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This is all going beyond being scary.
So, what's next???...Burning crosses in public?
The media had better think long and hard about how much free publicity it wants to extend this movement.
It is rightly situated in the dark corners of the internet -- and it should stay there.
So, what's next???...Burning crosses in public?
The media had better think long and hard about how much free publicity it wants to extend this movement.
It is rightly situated in the dark corners of the internet -- and it should stay there.
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Considering the big money that can be made from keeping members of the Alt-Right feeling oppressed and victimized, don't expect the organizations that feed on their paranoia to go away anytime soon.
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Brava to Secretary Clinton for her devasting, evidence-based demonstration of the "alt-right" for just what it is: grotesquely misogynistic, racist, nativist. reductionist, and vicious.
Enough of all the nervous dancing around what and who they are...and what it means that Donald Trump, a major party's nominee for President, is in bed with them. We can choose to rise up as a people and say "We have heard your bile we reject it. Speak as long and loud as you like, but don't believe for a moment you will convince the good citizens of this country that your misbegotten views will persuade more than a miserable few."
Secretary Clinton showed real Presidential leadership.
Enough of all the nervous dancing around what and who they are...and what it means that Donald Trump, a major party's nominee for President, is in bed with them. We can choose to rise up as a people and say "We have heard your bile we reject it. Speak as long and loud as you like, but don't believe for a moment you will convince the good citizens of this country that your misbegotten views will persuade more than a miserable few."
Secretary Clinton showed real Presidential leadership.
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Pointing to a few people who are far from the norm is not an evidence-based demonstration of anything, much less the views of millions of voters.
I respectfully suggest you open your heart and your mine, and resolve to listen with care and compassion to all your fellow citizens.
I respectfully suggest you open your heart and your mine, and resolve to listen with care and compassion to all your fellow citizens.
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America's worst enemies are within!
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Where is the 'evidence' again?
A few tweets?
A few tweets?
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So, I guess the world was headed for a better place while citizens stood by in silence during the rise of America Firsters, Nazis and Fascists. The "Alt-right" is just another term for all of the above.
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And what is the proper term for Hillary? Undocumented felon?
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Madame President.
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So, when the lights go on these cockroaches don't head for the corners. This doesn't mean the lights shouldn't go on though. Hillary's speech made me more aware, as it made them more exposed. Racism needs to be exposed in order for it to be eradicated.
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The best disinfectant is sunlight.
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This brings me to HRC's private, unsecure private email activity as U.S. Secretary of State, the Clinton Foundation and its "quid pro quo/pay-for-play" dealings with highly questionable donors, intermingling with her role as Secretary of State, etc., etc. etc.
No, I don't think I'm being particularly "hard" on HRC. As a general rule what I try to do is STEP BACK and ask myself the question: If a Republican (or a far less influential/powerful Democrat) were in HRC's exact same position, would they even be allowed to run for POTUS? Just curious...that's all.