Trump may be an example of an implosion of democracy as it is now. The same as 4 percent can sway years economic integration in Europe, a small number of people can give centre stage to a Trump. Democracy has caved in on itself because people do not vote with reason anymore, only hype, usually associated with deep inflexible beliefs, religious and others, in a twisted news value/candidate stance.
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I don't feel powerful or privileged because I'm white. Am I supposed to? Am I supposed to resent that a black man is President? Hope not, because I do not.
Resentment and divisiveness is never going to be the way forward. We have a dysfunctional Congress because of partisanship, because of this resentment and divisiveness and Trump is only making it worse, not better. He's not going to do anything to 'help' these people who feel left behind, he only wants their money and their vote. He's the original huckster. Ask all those small companies who worked for his businesses before he went bankrupt with each of them - they're the ones who lost out, not The Donald. Smarten up folks. We need to fix our government, not make it worse.
Resentment and divisiveness is never going to be the way forward. We have a dysfunctional Congress because of partisanship, because of this resentment and divisiveness and Trump is only making it worse, not better. He's not going to do anything to 'help' these people who feel left behind, he only wants their money and their vote. He's the original huckster. Ask all those small companies who worked for his businesses before he went bankrupt with each of them - they're the ones who lost out, not The Donald. Smarten up folks. We need to fix our government, not make it worse.
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We are sick of corrupt elites. That's why we support a multimillionaire gangster who obtained his wealth by cheating working americans out of their savings through his phony university and his casino ponzi schemes.
We are sick of war, inequality and the oppression of women. That is why we are supporting a Walmart attorney, Wall Street darling and violent militarist eager to send another generation of young men and women into pointless and destructive battles all over the world, which only benefit the arms industry and their shareholders.
We are sick of war, inequality and the oppression of women. That is why we are supporting a Walmart attorney, Wall Street darling and violent militarist eager to send another generation of young men and women into pointless and destructive battles all over the world, which only benefit the arms industry and their shareholders.
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The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Trump's father was charged with resisting arrest at a Ku Klux Klan rally in NYC, and decades later, after "The Donald" had joined the family firm, they were busted by the Feds for discrimination in housing ... refusing to rent apartments to black people. One generation earlier, Trump's grandfather was operating brothels in Alaska. Trump's racist statements now compare with his Father's overt Klan racism roughly the same way his involvement in owning beauty contests (and his serial trophy wives) compares with his grandfather's profession as a pimp for many prostitutes. He is the Republican nominee-apparent to the great distress and shame of most of the United States of America.
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Scientists have determined that the white race is the cancer of the globe.
We must do everything to stop these low educated white males, with their assault weapons & opiod addiction from putting the Trump-Palin hate express in the white House.
Best way would be to extend Affirmative Action to the voting booth, so all Afro-American males would get 5/3 instead on only one vote for the dynamic ticket represented by Senator Clinton & Huma Weiner.
Since the white males supporting Trump are loopy educated, this could be slipped by right by them by recruiting Bernie Sanders to spark plug his Front of the Bus campaign rhetoric at them.
We must do everything to stop these low educated white males, with their assault weapons & opiod addiction from putting the Trump-Palin hate express in the white House.
Best way would be to extend Affirmative Action to the voting booth, so all Afro-American males would get 5/3 instead on only one vote for the dynamic ticket represented by Senator Clinton & Huma Weiner.
Since the white males supporting Trump are loopy educated, this could be slipped by right by them by recruiting Bernie Sanders to spark plug his Front of the Bus campaign rhetoric at them.
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During the Republican primaries the residents of St. Tammany and Jefferson parishes in Louisiana voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. Both predominately white, these parishes are immediately adjacent to New Orleans, where the gun murder rate is routinely three times that of Chicago. The murder rate in St Tammany Parish is, more often than not, at the shocking level of zero. Here the people are reacting to the levels of crime and those who are seen to perpetrate it. It's a simmering race war for some people and it is not the whites who are committing the crimes..
Of course on May 21, 2011, the day of the predicted Rapture, at least one major city in St Tammany was virtually shut down and resembled the streets of Pyongyang, North Korea. Maybe they refrained from driving to avoid any auto accidents as a result of the driverless cars.
Of course on May 21, 2011, the day of the predicted Rapture, at least one major city in St Tammany was virtually shut down and resembled the streets of Pyongyang, North Korea. Maybe they refrained from driving to avoid any auto accidents as a result of the driverless cars.
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NYT: your fear mongering, smear articles about Trump are getting stale and less believable every day! Trump has a wide base of supporters, including some extremist kooks – just as does Hillary. However, despite your best efforts to show otherwise, most Trump supporters of all colors are just middle class folks like me for whom Trump, much more so than Hillary, identifies solutions to the primary issues that such voters care about; illegal immigration, the economy, Obamacare, and radical Islamic terrorism.
It isn’t racist to believe that the Obama/Clinton policies of open borders, small business killing tax policies, the socialization of healthcare, obedience to ineffective union managed public education, racial grievance, and capitulation to terrorism and aggressive dictators, is bad for America and not the country we want to leave to our children.
While both Trump and Hillary may be unsavory and immature personalities, this election will ultimately be about the issues, and on that score most voters will select Mr. Trump’s agenda of salvation from failed socialism and political correctness.
It isn’t racist to believe that the Obama/Clinton policies of open borders, small business killing tax policies, the socialization of healthcare, obedience to ineffective union managed public education, racial grievance, and capitulation to terrorism and aggressive dictators, is bad for America and not the country we want to leave to our children.
While both Trump and Hillary may be unsavory and immature personalities, this election will ultimately be about the issues, and on that score most voters will select Mr. Trump’s agenda of salvation from failed socialism and political correctness.
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Regardless of who is in office if we don't have economic reform everyone is going to suffer. Money is the bottom line. And unless you are totally secure everyone needs to unite on that premise. Period.
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Resistance? Really?
I grew up a poor white boy a long time ago. My percentage of white privilege was pretty limited. There are a lot of barriers for the upwardly mobile and I met many of them.
So what!
It doesn't take a genius to recognize how much more difficult the path was for black boys and girls, born in the 40s like me. Even then, some black families had attained some success, working on postal trains, teaching black children, etc.
So what?
I'm retired so I'm not fighting "the system." Our kids are, all of them are mine and yours.
i want to see is all Americans do better, I also have a place in my heart that says, very strongly, that there are still many barriers to black people. Black Americans continue to encounter Niue barriers that others don't.
That difference exists in every corner of America, although some areas think they've it past. They're not.
I've watched every national election since 1952.i have never seen a presidential race that Was not involved in someway with race. We deny the obvious.
Look around you. Maybe there's a black teenager. What do you think?
A few weeks ago I saw black HS graduates mixed with brown , whites, south Asian and East Asians graduate high school. They were young and smart. The first black kid I looked at is a math genius. Girls who aim at engineering. With grade but wait.
When we really open our eyes, we see so much more.
We've come so far in my lifetime. We've got a long way to go.
I grew up a poor white boy a long time ago. My percentage of white privilege was pretty limited. There are a lot of barriers for the upwardly mobile and I met many of them.
So what!
It doesn't take a genius to recognize how much more difficult the path was for black boys and girls, born in the 40s like me. Even then, some black families had attained some success, working on postal trains, teaching black children, etc.
So what?
I'm retired so I'm not fighting "the system." Our kids are, all of them are mine and yours.
i want to see is all Americans do better, I also have a place in my heart that says, very strongly, that there are still many barriers to black people. Black Americans continue to encounter Niue barriers that others don't.
That difference exists in every corner of America, although some areas think they've it past. They're not.
I've watched every national election since 1952.i have never seen a presidential race that Was not involved in someway with race. We deny the obvious.
Look around you. Maybe there's a black teenager. What do you think?
A few weeks ago I saw black HS graduates mixed with brown , whites, south Asian and East Asians graduate high school. They were young and smart. The first black kid I looked at is a math genius. Girls who aim at engineering. With grade but wait.
When we really open our eyes, we see so much more.
We've come so far in my lifetime. We've got a long way to go.
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The Times recently reported on supposedly leftwing French leader François Hollande and his hair dresser bill: 10,000 dollars PER MONTH.
On the left, only a handful of leaders have any character and on the right, the number is zero. Greed has doomed our system. And as rotten as the politicians are, the citizenry is worse. Democracy doesn't work.
For example, in the UK, Cameron is being venomously attacked for his stupidity. And what was the moronic and unconscionable thing he did? Extend democracy and allow voters to control Great Britain's fate, through the Brexit catastrophe.
Democracy: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
On the left, only a handful of leaders have any character and on the right, the number is zero. Greed has doomed our system. And as rotten as the politicians are, the citizenry is worse. Democracy doesn't work.
For example, in the UK, Cameron is being venomously attacked for his stupidity. And what was the moronic and unconscionable thing he did? Extend democracy and allow voters to control Great Britain's fate, through the Brexit catastrophe.
Democracy: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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I, sincerely, don't believe Trump is a racist. I've examined all of his statements regarding different races and religions and see no reason to believe otherwise. Of course, the liberal media wants to make everyone think he's a racist but I don't think it will work.
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It is remarkable that the whites sensing decline are voting for a non-political candidate who is the richest TV star in the world.
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I am neither a racist nor a white supremacist, but I am sick of people judging who has a right to speak certain ideas and who is not. I abhor racial or religious bigotry, but disagreeing with the liberal norm is sometimes considered hate speech. People are not so much tired of political correctness as they are with a restriction on what is deemed acceptable for public discourse. The marketplace of ideas is gradually becoming the monopoly of acceptable ideas. It is not just white people who share this feeling. You can find people of all races, religions and occupations who are sick of having to walk on egg shells for fear of offending anyone. They are also sick of watching jobs leaving this country, bridges falling down, and roads in disrepair, obscene medical and pharmaceutical costs, and minimum wage jobs. They are particularly sick of the elite, whether liberal or conservative, dictating what is good for them when they can see with their own eyes that it is not. That is why people are looking at Trump and Sanders. I still do not know which of the two evils I will choose, that is if I choose at all.
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In short, they all hate us until they need a better country to live in.
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Thinking about sending my kids to study, work and live overseas until "our country [...] can figure out what the hell is going on" and can return when America can become "great again."
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Yesterday I had dinner with two of my wife's relatives. Both are in their late 80s, long-time Democrats, and like me, Jewish. What was shocking was to hear they are leaning to vote for Trump. As a matter of practice and deference to my wife, I didn't ask why or engage. But I think, looking at the polls, Trump appeals not just to marginal white folk but others. What I find so depressing is that in my mind, with my values, Trump's xenophobia, his racism, his demonizing, his stereotyping, including promoting anti-Semitic stereotypes, would automatically disqualify him from the Presidency. Even if he loses, his campaign has exposed a quality of the American character that has shattered my faith in this country. Maybe it's because I've read a fair amount about the Third Reich, and the rise of the Nazis, I can't help but characterize those who feel that Trump's rhetoric isn't important, are standing in the shoes of the "Good Germans" who were silent in a similar situation.
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The Republican Party lost in 2012 because they smugly refused to broaden their tent and work to earn the votes of women and the nonwhite racial groups that are the future of America. The fact is, America's demographics have changed over the past 25 years, and the Democratic Party, for all its imperfections, has adapted to reflect this. The fact that Republicans are doubling down on the same failed strategy seems like political suicide.
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"There's a sucker born every minute" would be a much better and truer headline.
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You can always depend on the NYT to travel any distance and turn over however many rocks it takes to find "a white nationalist" or -- even better -- a member of the KKK. Judging from Hillary's slide in the national and swing state polls, a lot of people are simply fed up with the corrupt, repressive PC culture of the left and want out from under its thumb. It's no more complicated than that.
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White capitalism has already destroyed white culture. In a race to the profitable common denominator, the canon of white history has been discarded by whites themselves, including education and respect for scientific method, philosophy, literature, music, etc. Even these white supremicists probably know nothing of Shakespeare, just sit in front of the tube watching sports. They can claim allegiance to god and country, but supremacy rings hollow when white culture has come to mean junk.
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Some parents, saddled perhaps with subtle, intergenerationally inherited racial biases that they had to consciously work to overcome, worked assiduously to install not just racial tolerance, but, I dunno, "racial agnosticism?" (choosing not to acknowledge the presence of race in their daily consciousness) In their children's view of the world. Unrealistic perhaps, given the striated realms we often inhabit, but it worked enough to give those parents hope that - in the way that they were raising the generation that finally cured the nation of smoking - they were raising the generation that would squash racism and sexism, or at least render it as a seedy niche undercurrent with few enthusiastic followers. They see evidence of progress in the way their kids move through society. And then they read something like this, about the growing acceptance of racist rhetoric (among all races), and see their tireless work being undone by a nation that seems not to WANT racial unity, for a host of reasons, some perhaps sensible and others not. I guess it's possible to have racial tolerance without racial unity, but do YOU hear that emerging from the rhetoric being bandied about?
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The BLM group made one mistake. A lot of people are too stupid to understand their grievances. They should have named themselves Black Lives Matter Too.
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Trump's approach is clearly appalling, but the reality is that he is stoking a real and true anger among Americans, not just whites. Here in my city, a non-descript suburb of Los Angeles, the quality of life, in every measurable manner, has declined significantly in the last 20 years. Much of that decline, rightly or wrongly, has been blamed on an almost unfettered flow of immigrants, both legal and illegal. What was once a solid, middle-class suburb with good home values, good schools, nice shops and restaurants, and a diverse, but stable population, has devolved into the closest thing to a Third World country the United States has ever seen. Our schools are overcrowded nightmares, our homes are in disrepair, bulging with too many people for one home, our streets are a literal gridlock. Poverty has skyrocketed, and along with it homeless and crime.
For the average person in my city, they can see on a daily basis that the incessant influx of immigrants has put a strain on our city to the point that it's broken, diminished, and in perpetual decay.
Call it racism if you want to, but my guess is that's just some easy label for you to attach to something of which you cannot not, will not, or refuse to understand.
Trump being the one candidate who actually addresses these problems is unfortunate. However, Clinton pretends they don't exist.
For the average person in my city, they can see on a daily basis that the incessant influx of immigrants has put a strain on our city to the point that it's broken, diminished, and in perpetual decay.
Call it racism if you want to, but my guess is that's just some easy label for you to attach to something of which you cannot not, will not, or refuse to understand.
Trump being the one candidate who actually addresses these problems is unfortunate. However, Clinton pretends they don't exist.
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Another financial collapse like 2008 sure would go a long way towards erasing the unearned American sense of entitlement being voiced by so many.
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From the thousands of small businesspeople he never paid, to the hundreds who were scammed by his "university," and even down to the wives he cheated on, Donald Trump has betrayed almost every one who ever placed any trust in him.
Why do the people giving him their votes think that he will treat them any differently?
Why do the people giving him their votes think that he will treat them any differently?
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“Everyone’s sticking together in their groups,” she said, “so white people have to, too.”
She has a point. It takes two to tango and immigrants would do better to integrate into the culture and speak english (give a pass to the older first generation but second generation and first generation kids should be english speaking outside the home). Instead they tend to build their own cultural islands and echo chambers within communities. Hard for people (whites) to get to know and love you if you build your own walls around yourself. Just saying...not a Trump supporter but you have to understand where they're coming from.
She has a point. It takes two to tango and immigrants would do better to integrate into the culture and speak english (give a pass to the older first generation but second generation and first generation kids should be english speaking outside the home). Instead they tend to build their own cultural islands and echo chambers within communities. Hard for people (whites) to get to know and love you if you build your own walls around yourself. Just saying...not a Trump supporter but you have to understand where they're coming from.
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So the white supremacists, race-baiters, and anti-Semites who support Trump are not members of hate groups, but simply "disaffected"?
Given that their disaffection could have lethal affects on the people they feel the country is better off without, that seems likely an awfully polite word for them. Even, dare I say it, "politically correct."
Given that their disaffection could have lethal affects on the people they feel the country is better off without, that seems likely an awfully polite word for them. Even, dare I say it, "politically correct."
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One hesitates to weigh in on such an emotion driven subject, yet it proves irresistible because of the glare.
Can one be terribly upset at the immense numbers of non-documented Hispanics because of the unfairness it represents to those languishing abroad who are legally waiting a chance? And that it has proven to be a mechanism that will have created the largest single minority group in this country?
For the record, I am in favor of legalizing the status of the 11-million already living here.
Can one be terribly upset at the immense numbers of non-documented Hispanics because of the unfairness it represents to those languishing abroad who are legally waiting a chance? And that it has proven to be a mechanism that will have created the largest single minority group in this country?
For the record, I am in favor of legalizing the status of the 11-million already living here.
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The Brexiteers thought they could vote globalization out. Trumpsters think they can do the same thing.
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It has nothing to do with not feeling powerful or "privileged". It has everything to do with being marginalized, while paying the majority of the bills.
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For all of us white people who argue that we shouldn't be ashamed of being white:
Ever heard of eugenics?
No?
Not surprised. And no, eugenics are not an 1980s band.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
There is a good reason why white people need to think very carefully about "celebrating" their race. Eugenics is a now discredited science that originated in California. It's aim was to racially "purify" Americans who did not have Nordic physical traits. Its supporters included scientists from top universities such as Stanford. Eugenics was funded by such institutions as the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. Their physicians worked for the US Army. Under eugenics laws, which were passed in 27 states, at least sixty thousand "undesirables" were forcibly sterilized. All of them were poor, and a majority were black. Others were mentally ill.
Needless to say, Hitler used eugenics as a "scientific" explanation as to why Jews should be eliminated.
I'm not going to go on and list the atrocities committed by eugenics supporters, because they are myriad. You can read about them yourself.
But you won't. Because it would disturb the neat little picture we have of ourselves as a nation that would never do what Hitler did.
We Americans are indeed exceptional.
We invented eugenics.
Ever heard of eugenics?
No?
Not surprised. And no, eugenics are not an 1980s band.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
There is a good reason why white people need to think very carefully about "celebrating" their race. Eugenics is a now discredited science that originated in California. It's aim was to racially "purify" Americans who did not have Nordic physical traits. Its supporters included scientists from top universities such as Stanford. Eugenics was funded by such institutions as the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. Their physicians worked for the US Army. Under eugenics laws, which were passed in 27 states, at least sixty thousand "undesirables" were forcibly sterilized. All of them were poor, and a majority were black. Others were mentally ill.
Needless to say, Hitler used eugenics as a "scientific" explanation as to why Jews should be eliminated.
I'm not going to go on and list the atrocities committed by eugenics supporters, because they are myriad. You can read about them yourself.
But you won't. Because it would disturb the neat little picture we have of ourselves as a nation that would never do what Hitler did.
We Americans are indeed exceptional.
We invented eugenics.
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Donald Trump suffers from AFFLUENZA, has all his life. His kids have as well.
He's part of the problem, certainly not the solution. How do you propose a budget that significantly cuts the taxes for the top 1%, run a deficit that will be out of this world and expect to help the middle class?
Donald and his kids need to get out of the limos and the gold plated condos and ride around in the ghettos of America at night wearing hoodies in the back seat to find out what's really going on.
Until then, this all is a giant ego massage for Trump
He's part of the problem, certainly not the solution. How do you propose a budget that significantly cuts the taxes for the top 1%, run a deficit that will be out of this world and expect to help the middle class?
Donald and his kids need to get out of the limos and the gold plated condos and ride around in the ghettos of America at night wearing hoodies in the back seat to find out what's really going on.
Until then, this all is a giant ego massage for Trump
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I wonder what will happen to all of the angry white working class folks if Trump is elected and fails to address their concerns. He is a businessman first and foremost, with global interests and a global outlook. To believe that he will build a wall, keep out immigrants and back out of trade agreements that enable him to make more money is absurd on its face. This should be the main talking point among those opposing Trump. Charlie Brown, his old pal Lucy, and the football come to mind.
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Trump 2016!
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The author underestimates the extremism of Mr. Spencer, Mr. Taylor and their followers. Both men are on SPLC watchlists and Mr. Spencer has been banned from entering Britain and several European countries. Both men are extreme white nationalists.
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When it comes to being trustworthy, Trump has a track record for dishonesty in business and for filing many hundreds of frivolous lawsuits. He manipulates whites who are too clueless to comprehend complicated issues by pretending his simplistic "solutions" will make them privileged again. He knows, or should know, how intellectually dishonest he's being. Telling people what they want to hear does not make it truthful. Trump -is- the establishment, wealthy and very privileged. His supporters are naive fools for believing him.
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"Anger and frustration" or traits common among the Trump supporters and conservatives in general. So looking at how Madison Avenue digest this information it is interesting to see and hear the commercial and advertisements that air on the conservative news outlets. Pills for men with the erectile dysfunction and low T, debt relief for people with "problems with the IRS" and who "owe back taxes " and who are "at least $10,000 in credit card debt". It's self-evident why the target audience is angry and frustrated and it's rather easy to see that people, mostly men, who buy these products would be willing to accept as fact anything that makes them feel that their anger and frustration isn't their own fault.
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Be careful what you wish for. You have Trump, in the UK we have Leave (or Brexit). What they have in common is Anger. Both Trump and Leave bring together a loose coalition of people angry about a whole range of issues from immigration to post-crash austerity, unemployment to out-of-touch politicians, out-of-control corporations to the lifestyles of the tax-avoiding mega-rich. But look what happened when we voted Leave - all the leaders cut and ran because they didn't have any real policy ideas, and leaving the EU certainly isn't going to be the cure-all people here were duped into thinking it would be. It's easy to fan the flames of rage but the solutions are complex and often contradictory. Does Trump have a single workable idea how to solve any of the US's current problems or is he just riding the wave of inchoate fury?
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I think the NYT needs to downplay the White sensibility of loss, when what they have lost was nothing more than the affirmative action they would disdain and deny any other group that imperialism has demeaned, deprived of standing in the human family and robbed of their natural resources. This type of conversation is symptomatic of the individual and cultural madness Gordon Alport researched and described in his seminal work.
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The headline, I think, is true.
It's also true, however, that Trump appeals to working people of all colors who feel no one has been sticking up for them as the good jobs for people without a college education disappear. That's a real thing, though sometimes I wonder whether it's real for the NYT, given their treatment of Sanders and the on-going condescension toward Sanders supporters.
Now, personally, I don't believe Trump has a real plan on trade and am not sure how motivated he really is to help the little guy (mainly because his tax plan appears to be the regular GOP plan to help their country club buddies).
It's also true, however, that Trump appeals to working people of all colors who feel no one has been sticking up for them as the good jobs for people without a college education disappear. That's a real thing, though sometimes I wonder whether it's real for the NYT, given their treatment of Sanders and the on-going condescension toward Sanders supporters.
Now, personally, I don't believe Trump has a real plan on trade and am not sure how motivated he really is to help the little guy (mainly because his tax plan appears to be the regular GOP plan to help their country club buddies).
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" who is really to blame for the death of a black teenager in Ferguson, Mo"
The FBI and the grand jury decided the cop was not to blame. Thanks to the media, the cop's career was ruined anyway.
The FBI and the grand jury decided the cop was not to blame. Thanks to the media, the cop's career was ruined anyway.
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It is ironic how many Americans fear outsiders, different beliefs, and different ways of living, yet we feel the need to force others to believe and live the way we do. I imagine many would argue that if you live in America, you need to live an American lifestyle. As in tv and trump's politics, the American Lifestyle is autonomy derived from money and instant gratification. Imagine a world where we all live by these principles. All people would disregard the consequences of their actions as long as there power was maintained or strengthen. Hopefully students of American history have studied the oppressive habits of military occupation and the effects US companies that fuel our material obsessed country. Amazing what one country would do for sugar and bananas or pair of Nikes.
Our world will become more globalized. If elected, Tump will do his best to create a false narrative about a non-existent American lifestyle. He will continue to marginalize others through fear. I have observed that many Americans can only define themselves by how they are different from others. Each one of us must discern how each candidate defines human worth. Is human worth defined by citizenship, race, sex, religion, Gender, money? Does human worth matter in a Democracy?
Our world will become more globalized. If elected, Tump will do his best to create a false narrative about a non-existent American lifestyle. He will continue to marginalize others through fear. I have observed that many Americans can only define themselves by how they are different from others. Each one of us must discern how each candidate defines human worth. Is human worth defined by citizenship, race, sex, religion, Gender, money? Does human worth matter in a Democracy?
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The bias of the NY TImes reporting continues in this offensive article.
NY Times refuses to address the hateful speech directed against whites which has emanated from *minorities* for decades and as escalated in the past two years to endless shouting and violence.
Whites gave Obama the benefit of the doubt in 2008 and 2012 even though he was an advocate of Rev Wright and his hateful theology. Whites hoped, albeit foolishly, that Obama was not merely words but actually was capable of operating a government where everyone was treated fairly.
Many people now look at Trump and see that his is the ONLY voice on the scene who might perhaps recognize that white citizen children are not *privileged* and in fact are persecuted, discriminated against (especially if they are biological males) and penalized by government preference of foreigners, people *of color* and anyone but them.
NY Times refuses to address the hateful speech directed against whites which has emanated from *minorities* for decades and as escalated in the past two years to endless shouting and violence.
Whites gave Obama the benefit of the doubt in 2008 and 2012 even though he was an advocate of Rev Wright and his hateful theology. Whites hoped, albeit foolishly, that Obama was not merely words but actually was capable of operating a government where everyone was treated fairly.
Many people now look at Trump and see that his is the ONLY voice on the scene who might perhaps recognize that white citizen children are not *privileged* and in fact are persecuted, discriminated against (especially if they are biological males) and penalized by government preference of foreigners, people *of color* and anyone but them.
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I also am a proud supporter of Trump and I am white. If we are in decline, of course we would protect ourselves. That is any species on earth.
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The times loaded the headline by using the word "whites". They could have used the word "Americans" unless they know all Trump supporters are white, which they are not. This is manipulation by the media. The same media that is collects revenue from the same businesses that fund Wall Street and political campaigns.
All to keep the establishment rolling.
All to keep the establishment rolling.
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It is very difficult and scary for certain class of people who always saw themselves as A1 class citizens perceiving that status is in danger. Illogical all the way, but I believe we are speaking of a class of illogical people.
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So by this article it sounds like being White is an embarrassment to be avoided, that same rights afforded other colors to cluster in conclaves with their likeness is not racist, that in general Whites are ignorant beings with no sense of perception or accomplishment. Gee I wonder how Trump is able to tap into that feeling. Clinton is doing the same to the Black community has anyone noticed that? Somewhere in the middle are people of all races and religions that get up and go to work and pay their taxes and abide by the rules that are shocked and appalled by the state of the media and the use of our politicians of divisive language and ridicules "tweets" to segment us all. I am so embarrassed to be considered a part of all this, how did we get these candidates shoved down our throats, answer? The corporate media and the pathetic loss of journalism..
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To me, this article is a classic representation of 'spewing the poison'. Donald Trump is not racist. He does not espouse antisemitism. He is not the 'new leader of the forgotten white race'. The writer of this article knows this, but pursues this disingenuous dialogue to deliberately create a negative image of Trump in the minds of voters, as this coincides more with the left agenda than the fact that when he opened his club in Florida, he insisted that blacks and Jews be allowed to be members in spite of the objections of the Palm Beach crowd.
Recommending that the government follow its own immigration laws does not make one racist. This would include adhering to the policy of 'vetting' refugees. As events in Germany (and all of Europe) have proven, admitting refugees into our country without having in place an organized plan to vet and place them would lead to safety issues (already seen) for American citizens. This policy should be lauded, not criticized.
Yes, people are tired of the dishonest media and a dishonest government. It is not just 'white' people that feel this way. (One of Obama's notable 'accomplishments' was making government propaganda 'legal', along with assassination of American citizens and 'legalizing' rendition of American citizens.) Can we really survive another administration pursuing this kind of 'progress'?
Donald Trump's campaign and message have NOTHING whatsoever to do with skin color.
Recommending that the government follow its own immigration laws does not make one racist. This would include adhering to the policy of 'vetting' refugees. As events in Germany (and all of Europe) have proven, admitting refugees into our country without having in place an organized plan to vet and place them would lead to safety issues (already seen) for American citizens. This policy should be lauded, not criticized.
Yes, people are tired of the dishonest media and a dishonest government. It is not just 'white' people that feel this way. (One of Obama's notable 'accomplishments' was making government propaganda 'legal', along with assassination of American citizens and 'legalizing' rendition of American citizens.) Can we really survive another administration pursuing this kind of 'progress'?
Donald Trump's campaign and message have NOTHING whatsoever to do with skin color.
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This seems another victim blaming by the elite publication for the elite by the elite that conspicuously avoids the substantive issue driving world politics today, economic inequality. Get out of the elitist bubble that's as problematic in NYC as in DC.
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These candidates offer America two options: more conflicts abroad with higher death tolls due a continued imperialistic march abroad, or new broader and more intense conflicts at home with higher death tolls due to our lack of resolve to end racism, classism, homophobia, misogyny and religious extremism. The new domestic military, the police, are prepared, as photos, film footage and death rates have shone, to confront the disenfranchised with extreme prejudice and violence.
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A very astute analysis, I'd say. And this is why it is impossible to choose between these two reprehensible candidates.
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The fault lines in American society are coming into play in full view of the world. This should not come as a surprise as this was elaborated in An affluent society way back six decades ago. The sad part is the politicians and the society in USA largely ignored the warnings, wakeup calls, occasional eruptions.. If the whites who are more affluent, educated and in general more privileged can not understand or refuse to understand and choose to live in denial and go on a confrontational path, all what we can do in rest of the world is to pray for 'conventional wisdom' to dawn on them.
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White folks who support Trump are racists whether they know it or not, which sad to say most of them don 't.
In fact their sheer stupidity as to what Racism really is further compounds the problem. When those more in tune to racist buzz words hear Trump's not so subtle rants, they recognize them for what they are, divisive hate speech. When Trump supporters hear the same speech they are completely oblivious to Trump's siren call. That is how dramatic the difference is.
Whites who support Trump see him as justification for what they perceive as "reverse racism". These folks honestly believe that Whites are getting the short end of the stick. They want their country back and that means they want to return to the days of their childhood of a time when an overwhelming White majority ruled, when one would be hard-pressed to find a person of color on their Black and White TV, even it a limited role.
To them those were the "good old days", when America was great, a time they passionately want to return to no matter how impossible that is. That shows you how blinded they have become. Combine that with their narrow-mindedness, ignorance, frustration and a depletion of their power and you've got the perfect mixture of prejudice and anger that forms the foundation of Trump's followers. To that America, I say shame on you.
DD
Manhattan
In fact their sheer stupidity as to what Racism really is further compounds the problem. When those more in tune to racist buzz words hear Trump's not so subtle rants, they recognize them for what they are, divisive hate speech. When Trump supporters hear the same speech they are completely oblivious to Trump's siren call. That is how dramatic the difference is.
Whites who support Trump see him as justification for what they perceive as "reverse racism". These folks honestly believe that Whites are getting the short end of the stick. They want their country back and that means they want to return to the days of their childhood of a time when an overwhelming White majority ruled, when one would be hard-pressed to find a person of color on their Black and White TV, even it a limited role.
To them those were the "good old days", when America was great, a time they passionately want to return to no matter how impossible that is. That shows you how blinded they have become. Combine that with their narrow-mindedness, ignorance, frustration and a depletion of their power and you've got the perfect mixture of prejudice and anger that forms the foundation of Trump's followers. To that America, I say shame on you.
DD
Manhattan
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Shame on you for living in Manhattan. The real estate prices there are ridiculous and most poor minorities or immigrants could not afford to live there. You should give up your overpriced apartment to someone less fortunate than you.
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Trump is entertaining. He is adjective-deficient and uniformed. His need to find 'respect' anywhere he can is driving him. His choice for vice-president will be based solely on someone whom he believes will be his loyal friend.
This is the way of kindergarten tots. And it seems the other kids are willing to give him the power/love he craves.
This is the way of kindergarten tots. And it seems the other kids are willing to give him the power/love he craves.
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The press's coverage of Trump was thought to embarrass him and make him anathema to "civilized" society. Instead the coverage has created a mass popularity for Trump because it highlighted so many of the problems and taboos that certain elements of society have not wanted to mention. The more the press covers Trump, particularly since Sec. Clinton is so weak and tainted, the more Trump will pick up steam. Despite the liberals feelings, white people--particularly white males, are still an important voting block. And the joke is that Trump is now getting college students tired of walking on eggshells
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The section about universities doesn't make sense. Rebelling against speech restrictions is basic human nature. Either
1. There are non-white groups of students fighting both the speech codes and Trump, which you're not telling us about.
or 2. The speech codes are actually run by only the white students, who pretend to rebel against them while squelching the real complaints from the non-white students.
or 3. The universities are letting in too few non-white students to provide any fair challenge to the white hegemony.
1. There are non-white groups of students fighting both the speech codes and Trump, which you're not telling us about.
or 2. The speech codes are actually run by only the white students, who pretend to rebel against them while squelching the real complaints from the non-white students.
or 3. The universities are letting in too few non-white students to provide any fair challenge to the white hegemony.
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In perfect irony, Sander's endorsement of Clinton will probably lead to her defeat. Had Sanders not endorsed her, his supporters would probably have more respect for the Democratic party, and would be more willing to consider her as a lesser candidate but still within their liberal boundaries. But now that they know that Sanders' castigation of billionaires was hollow - endorsing Clinton, the Wall Street sycophant as proof - he has managed to alienate a swath of voters that are turning the tide in Trump's favor. Sanders may have betrayed average Americans that believed in his moral dedication and his message for economic equality - I was certainly fooled - but in the end, he may have done us all a huge favor in exposing his hypocrisy. If nothing else, Trump is not a mouthpiece for the exceedingly selfish interests of the status quo, and, as it turns out, he is proving to be a far better alternative for average Americans than a phony like Sanders or a liar - and careless incompetent - like Clinton.
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The First Amendment prohibition against certain speech, shouting 'fire'in a crowded theater, would not apply if that crowded theater were in fact on fire.
Our crowded theater is now on fire. True patriots must condemn this full assault upon the American ideal.
Our crowded theater is now on fire. True patriots must condemn this full assault upon the American ideal.
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If the NYT and the Democrat establishment had not picked a congenitally dishonest, proven war mongerer, who is clearly corrupt, this article would not exist and Trump would already be past history.
Hillary's mind boggling ambition and perverse ego have done more to destroy my Party than even Republicans did.
Stepping out of the role of journalism has irretrievably damaged the NYT. Over the last few years you have left any vestige of liberal-but-objective journalism behind to become a propaganda machine for the political correct. So you have probably sent the Donald monster to the Oval Office!
Hillary's mind boggling ambition and perverse ego have done more to destroy my Party than even Republicans did.
Stepping out of the role of journalism has irretrievably damaged the NYT. Over the last few years you have left any vestige of liberal-but-objective journalism behind to become a propaganda machine for the political correct. So you have probably sent the Donald monster to the Oval Office!
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Why equate Trump's embracing of our European roots as being something nefarious? Or anti Immigrant? Most Americans whites included are for orderly legal immigration where immigrants embrace our culture not subvert it.
Just like being black, Hispanic,Muslim or any ethnic group is not a reason for discrimination. I was born white and I aspire to have my slice of the American Dream for myself and my children. White Americans suffer like all other humans regardless of race,creed or color and many are tired of being called out for being the power structure that subverts minorities.
Take a look around, many of the whites that made up a majority are in a steep economic decline. That fosters fear and anxiety, when coupled with rhetoric that some how blames people of European ancestry for the institutional failures of a nation, that is a bridge to far for many.
Perhaps we need leaders that don't divide, perhaps we need leaders that try to understand those that don't see the world as they do, but enough of the Donald Trump representing the entirety of white America that doesn't embrace extreme liberalism.
We are a nation of immigrants of all stripes and if you bring your culture and respect our values, you're more than welcome to come.
If, on the other hand, you wish to attack our foundation and blame those of us that have been part of that structure then stay out. We have enough home grown critics dividing us and it only spurs division and gridlock.
Just like being black, Hispanic,Muslim or any ethnic group is not a reason for discrimination. I was born white and I aspire to have my slice of the American Dream for myself and my children. White Americans suffer like all other humans regardless of race,creed or color and many are tired of being called out for being the power structure that subverts minorities.
Take a look around, many of the whites that made up a majority are in a steep economic decline. That fosters fear and anxiety, when coupled with rhetoric that some how blames people of European ancestry for the institutional failures of a nation, that is a bridge to far for many.
Perhaps we need leaders that don't divide, perhaps we need leaders that try to understand those that don't see the world as they do, but enough of the Donald Trump representing the entirety of white America that doesn't embrace extreme liberalism.
We are a nation of immigrants of all stripes and if you bring your culture and respect our values, you're more than welcome to come.
If, on the other hand, you wish to attack our foundation and blame those of us that have been part of that structure then stay out. We have enough home grown critics dividing us and it only spurs division and gridlock.
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To quote my favorite Founding Father, Alexander Hamilton, as dramatized by Lin-Manuel Miranda:
"The ten-dollar founding father without a father
Got a lot farther by working a lot harder
By being a lot smarter
By being a self starter..."
My senior thesis at university in 1975 was on population growth, demographic change and it's impact on the planet, governments, society, econmics and racial composition, etc. My professor, an Englishman thought it racist. I met with him and re-emphizied my references, which were stellar and factual, after our discussion he gave me an A+.
My point here is that the writing has been on the wall for decades. Long before Mr. Gates and Mr. Jobs and others revolutionized the way in which we communicate and work the world was changing as it ALWAYS has and will. To be sure, whites (Caucasians or European-Americans) will wish to have their unique points of view represented just as other groups do.
The problem with all of this is simple: those who come to America, and those who are already here, must realize that they are here to be AMERICAN. Not some hypenated version of American. Bring and keep your specialness, but you MUST assimilate and be truly American. We must remember that it is the founding documents, The Declaration of Independence, The Federalist Papers and the Constitution that make us American, not any race, creed, or other nation of origin.
Whether new immigrant or long time resident by birth, we must all be "real" Americans.
"The ten-dollar founding father without a father
Got a lot farther by working a lot harder
By being a lot smarter
By being a self starter..."
My senior thesis at university in 1975 was on population growth, demographic change and it's impact on the planet, governments, society, econmics and racial composition, etc. My professor, an Englishman thought it racist. I met with him and re-emphizied my references, which were stellar and factual, after our discussion he gave me an A+.
My point here is that the writing has been on the wall for decades. Long before Mr. Gates and Mr. Jobs and others revolutionized the way in which we communicate and work the world was changing as it ALWAYS has and will. To be sure, whites (Caucasians or European-Americans) will wish to have their unique points of view represented just as other groups do.
The problem with all of this is simple: those who come to America, and those who are already here, must realize that they are here to be AMERICAN. Not some hypenated version of American. Bring and keep your specialness, but you MUST assimilate and be truly American. We must remember that it is the founding documents, The Declaration of Independence, The Federalist Papers and the Constitution that make us American, not any race, creed, or other nation of origin.
Whether new immigrant or long time resident by birth, we must all be "real" Americans.
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Donald Trumps words of resistance are for all Americans. If the title of this article were true he would not be the RNC's candidate and threatening to take away an election that by all rights should be a Democratic win.
Attempting to turn this election into a racial issue in order to destroy the challenge this movement brings forth is a good ploy, but hardly a match for the necessary change our country requires at this time.
That Trump is running for president, was all going to be a good joke for Seth Meyers, but it is time itself that is getting the last laugh here, after all it has always been our time too.
Attempting to turn this election into a racial issue in order to destroy the challenge this movement brings forth is a good ploy, but hardly a match for the necessary change our country requires at this time.
That Trump is running for president, was all going to be a good joke for Seth Meyers, but it is time itself that is getting the last laugh here, after all it has always been our time too.
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Right. Trump is another Che Guevara.
Please.
Please.
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I suspect that every human on earth has had an uncharitable thought about a person who is culturally or racially different and blamed the disturbance on that "difference." But it should be our life's work to examine and overcome our smaller, meaner selves. The rise of Donald Trump and the unleashing of these divisive and brutal emotions are the saddest things to happen in this country in my lifetime.
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I am white, but I had nothing to do with that. My whiteness does not define me. Warts and all, I'm what I am because of my environment, education, temperament, the collective effects of my experiences, parental training and a thousand other factors. Our problems, white and black, stem from people whose primary identification is race. Hence, a bloviating bigot such as Trump whose every breath is antithetical to their interests, nevertheless appeals in particular to the poorly educated (he says he loves them), struggling lower-income white whose only claim to fame is his race. That also explains the hatred of Barack Obama.
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We are repeatedly lectured by the national media that race shouldn't be an issue, and correctly so. Those rules don't apply to the elite like the NYT. You use anecdotal examples that no one can confirm, and take statements out of context to claim all Trump supporters are white nationalist racists. Your article and beat down of whoever the republican candidate would have been only proves our point and desire--we are sick of the elite/establishment media and politicians in both parties and your articles only strengthen our support.
BTW, you know Trump has no problem with LEGAL immigration.
BTW, you know Trump has no problem with LEGAL immigration.
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Sorry but that dog whistle is loud and clear and m it is heard by everyone as anti-Muslim, black, Hispanic or any kind of a foreigner. If you're saying you don't hear that whistle no one believes you. And why else would someone overlook all of his other issues such as he has no experience, he does know what he's doing and he doesn't know anything about the issues.
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I am white, my wife is not. my kids are bi-racial
Until recently, I never really dwelled on "race". I consider race to be a social construct. In 2008, I had a "post racial" mind set.
I laughed at the race-baiters, Sharpton, The KKK whatever. Like clowns
America would move on to the real work. The Internet, biotech, space exploration, disease eradication, ending poverty, infrastructure rebuilding, a safer planet...
Then came Obama and his supporters.
Maybe it all fell apart with Rev. Lowery's colors speech... "When yellow will be more mellow..." blah blah blah... or maybe it was Rev. Wright who damned America.
Then came Obama's barrage of America's supposed race guilt. How many times has he mentioned "the history of racism"? Then the equivalence of the atrocities rampant in the Muslim world with past Christian misdeeds.
Then Hillary's snuggling up to "Black Lives Matter". And the stats simply don't support their claims.
Every race is aggrieved to a certain extent. Yes, even whites. Certainly Jews. and mixed race folks. Indian-Americans, blacks sure. Germans, Japanese, Irish ... just study your history.
We can make lawyerly cases of how we or our ancestors were singled out for their race. We can riot, discriminate, kill people who look different, block traffic, mock and curse. Or we can move on. I think it is time to move on.
Until recently, I never really dwelled on "race". I consider race to be a social construct. In 2008, I had a "post racial" mind set.
I laughed at the race-baiters, Sharpton, The KKK whatever. Like clowns
America would move on to the real work. The Internet, biotech, space exploration, disease eradication, ending poverty, infrastructure rebuilding, a safer planet...
Then came Obama and his supporters.
Maybe it all fell apart with Rev. Lowery's colors speech... "When yellow will be more mellow..." blah blah blah... or maybe it was Rev. Wright who damned America.
Then came Obama's barrage of America's supposed race guilt. How many times has he mentioned "the history of racism"? Then the equivalence of the atrocities rampant in the Muslim world with past Christian misdeeds.
Then Hillary's snuggling up to "Black Lives Matter". And the stats simply don't support their claims.
Every race is aggrieved to a certain extent. Yes, even whites. Certainly Jews. and mixed race folks. Indian-Americans, blacks sure. Germans, Japanese, Irish ... just study your history.
We can make lawyerly cases of how we or our ancestors were singled out for their race. We can riot, discriminate, kill people who look different, block traffic, mock and curse. Or we can move on. I think it is time to move on.
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ok there was a quote from a star trek episode "resistance is futile" this was from the borg who were out to enslave everyone as mindless automatons
the real message from star trek is the situation on earth in the 26th century
that is that earth is one people with a single government not 192 or however many countries we have now
the planet is much too small for that
you want to preserve your european culture, have some bratwurst in a beer hall ,drink some stout on st pat's day, eat some spaghetti on columbas day ,
don't try to enforce your culture on those from a different one and realize that we are all human with the same wants and needs food and shelter more sugar and a shoeshine and years for our children.......
the real message from star trek is the situation on earth in the 26th century
that is that earth is one people with a single government not 192 or however many countries we have now
the planet is much too small for that
you want to preserve your european culture, have some bratwurst in a beer hall ,drink some stout on st pat's day, eat some spaghetti on columbas day ,
don't try to enforce your culture on those from a different one and realize that we are all human with the same wants and needs food and shelter more sugar and a shoeshine and years for our children.......
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The fact is, America is in decline. For all Americans, not just whites. The reasons are many, but almost all of them are directly related to government polices, as well as government ineptness. Some such problems are failed immigration and trade policies. Trump, in all of his bluster, has found a way to tap into the frustration that has manifest as a result of decades of decline. Anything the NYT says will not change that reality.
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Your statements are all bluster too.
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Please cite a single metric, either economic or social, that shows either relative or absolute decline. Why does Times print mere assertion?
And then when Trump wins, he says he doesn't want the job after all and quits. Our Brexit. And then we're stuck with Gingrich or Pence. To lead the country. For the next 4 years. That's not going to fix anything but their pensions for the rest of their lives.
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Why does listening to Trump's insults and bullying "empower" anyone? What kind of person feels better about themselves and the country after leaving one of his rallies where he's disparaged other people and bragged how great he is? What kind of person is it that nods in agreement with his demeaning comments?
Isn't "political correctness" just another way of being polite? Do we want to go back to a time when blacks could be called names right out on the street? Where Asians were made fun of, by grown men, in public? Where ethnic jokes were told without regard to whose feelings might be hurt? Where even the disabled could be insulted for being different? If that's what Trump supporters want, I'll have no part of it. "Political correctness" is nothing more than courtesy, fairness and civility, and we need more of it, not less.
Other than the spectacle he presents, Trump has nothing to offer. His supporters should start actually listening to him and thinking about his proposals. He doesn't even speak in complete sentences, and his thoughts are almost impossible to follow. Almost none of his proposals are actually workable, and most will never be accomplished. Sticking your finger in the eye of "the establishment" just for the hell of it accomplishes nothing. Turning back the clock to a time when White meant Right is not a goal to be proud of.
Isn't "political correctness" just another way of being polite? Do we want to go back to a time when blacks could be called names right out on the street? Where Asians were made fun of, by grown men, in public? Where ethnic jokes were told without regard to whose feelings might be hurt? Where even the disabled could be insulted for being different? If that's what Trump supporters want, I'll have no part of it. "Political correctness" is nothing more than courtesy, fairness and civility, and we need more of it, not less.
Other than the spectacle he presents, Trump has nothing to offer. His supporters should start actually listening to him and thinking about his proposals. He doesn't even speak in complete sentences, and his thoughts are almost impossible to follow. Almost none of his proposals are actually workable, and most will never be accomplished. Sticking your finger in the eye of "the establishment" just for the hell of it accomplishes nothing. Turning back the clock to a time when White meant Right is not a goal to be proud of.
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Only 13% of the population is black.
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Dear White America,
Before the Founding Fathers arrived in "America", people of color actually lived here. Is anyone listening/reading? The country did not begin at the landing of the ships at Plymouth Rock. One of the quotes in the article is from an individual who is 30ish and frequents the 8chan or 4chan alt right Twitter/blog spheres, and says "my friends don't care about the Holocaust; they don't care that people died...they think it [history] is funny..." That is sad, truly sad. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
Before the Founding Fathers arrived in "America", people of color actually lived here. Is anyone listening/reading? The country did not begin at the landing of the ships at Plymouth Rock. One of the quotes in the article is from an individual who is 30ish and frequents the 8chan or 4chan alt right Twitter/blog spheres, and says "my friends don't care about the Holocaust; they don't care that people died...they think it [history] is funny..." That is sad, truly sad. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
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The Times just doesn't get it. Whatever Trump is or isn't doing, it's the Times that is fanning the flames of racial animosity by turning the election into a black-white issue.
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That seems too facile. Anyway, it's more a brown-white Immigration issue, the black shootings etc. are a new wrinkle. NYT sure gave Queen Hillary lots of insomnia in the past year! Was the Times folk who revealed that the populist Clinton Foundation had a mere.... $3 Billion in assets.
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Hey, here's an idea: Let's sign another trade deal -- send more jobs overseas. That'll put those white guys in their place!
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It's not 'whites' sensing decline, it's America in decline. There is nothing wrong with being white and that doesn't diminish anyone else.
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Please point to a single piece of evidence that supports your assertion.
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True. There are almost 95,000,000 Americans out of work. That's the killer, it's a silent plague.
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Cherry picking perceived racist utterances during stream of consciousness ramblings should not forever brand fool as a bigot.
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This is what evil looks like.
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I am a 70-year old white man who traces his ancestry to the British Isles and eastern Europe. I cannot recall a time in my life when I have been more afraid of my fellow Americans, with those Americans being white Americans, especially here in red state Arizona with its loose gun laws, birthers and right wing wackos. At the risk of channeling both Tom Clancy and Joseph Conrad, I submit that Trump is the sum of all fears, a clear and present danger and the heart of darkness. I will vote for Hillary Clinton, a very flawed candidate, primarily because I don't want a Republican president appointing justices to the United States Supreme Court in the mold of Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.
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Another NYT article today: Race Relations Are at Lowest Point in Obama Presidency, Poll Finds.
Thank you Mr. Obama for your helpful rhetoric over the past 7-1/2 years.
Thank you Mr. Obama for your helpful rhetoric over the past 7-1/2 years.
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Rich is hearing that dog whistle loud and clear. This is how trump people rationalize their racism.
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Demagogue: One who gains power by appealing to emotions and prejudice rather than intellect. Hello Donald Trump. It is truly ironic that the current smash hit on Broadway is Hamilton; whose greatest fear was the weak chain in his new Democracy was the potential rise of a Demagogue as President. The chickens have truly come home to roost in 2016. The Democrats greatest failure has been their complacency in assuring White America that they have nothing to fear in granting rights to minorities that White`s have taken for granted for 240 years. One does not lose anything by having All God`s Children join hands in brotherhood. Too bad the likes of Trump are more interested in exploiting fear and anger to achieve POWER for HIM!!
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Prior to consigning all their anxieties and hopes to the rhetoric and shenanigans of Donald Trump, the White middle class should ask to itself whether inciting popular sentiment and addressing the grievances in right earnest are not two different things? If so, would it not be proper to ask Trump as to what concrete plan and action strategy to redress the White class grievances he had devised which could be shared publicly with the aggrieved Whites?
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A candidate of the people.
Ignorant, rude, racist, sexist, unashamed of their lack of kindness, consideration, or common decency.
You want THIS guy to run the country? First visit to Russia, WWIII. Or he'll be riding around American on a horse, bare chested. The oligarch of the people more like.
Ignorant, rude, racist, sexist, unashamed of their lack of kindness, consideration, or common decency.
You want THIS guy to run the country? First visit to Russia, WWIII. Or he'll be riding around American on a horse, bare chested. The oligarch of the people more like.
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I look forward to seeing all the delegates from what they keep calling "White America," try doing what they keep demanding that "Black America," should do.
1. Stop blaming government and everybody else for all your problems.
2. Work on assimilating into this country.
3. Stop blaming the Civil War.
4. Stand up and take some responsibility for yourselves.
5. Do something about your violent crimes--gun suicides, serial killing, and mass murder are largely the province of White America.
6. Do something about the giant rise in your meth and heroin rates.
7. Do something about your illigetimate birth rates.
8. Get off your duff and get an education.
9. Get a job.
10. Stop whining every time anybody says boo about what you do.
Oh, and by the way--if you think Trump's gonna help you, you really ARE a pack of suckers. Try taking a look at his tax "plans." Figure out where the loot will go. Here's a hint: it ain't gonna be to you, your kids, or anybody you know.
1. Stop blaming government and everybody else for all your problems.
2. Work on assimilating into this country.
3. Stop blaming the Civil War.
4. Stand up and take some responsibility for yourselves.
5. Do something about your violent crimes--gun suicides, serial killing, and mass murder are largely the province of White America.
6. Do something about the giant rise in your meth and heroin rates.
7. Do something about your illigetimate birth rates.
8. Get off your duff and get an education.
9. Get a job.
10. Stop whining every time anybody says boo about what you do.
Oh, and by the way--if you think Trump's gonna help you, you really ARE a pack of suckers. Try taking a look at his tax "plans." Figure out where the loot will go. Here's a hint: it ain't gonna be to you, your kids, or anybody you know.
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I'm a Trump supporter and after a decade of being told that I'm privileged because I held a job for 40 years, paid my taxes so other people didn't have to, watched the school system I grew up embroiled in the largest cheating scandal in the history of the United States (DeKalb County, Georgia), watched our fellow citizens being beheaded, shot, knived, and sat on fire from Radical Islamic Terrorists and now watch American Police Officers shot dead and the day after their Memorial Service, our President invites a Terrorist Group, Black Lives Matter, Reverend Al Sharpton and the head of the Justice Department, who apparently knows how to LIE better than Pinnochio to the White House for a chat...you bet I'm going to vote Trump!
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But then you've been voting Republican all your life. You doubtless voted for Bush, for eternal war, for economic collapse, and for torture. Since Trump is merely GW Bush grafted onto Sarah Palin, he's the perfect candidate for you.
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So Trump, who hails from Queens which has a diversity of people unmatched anywhere else in the US is also supported by a gay, so-called conservative immigrant (Yiannopolous) in calling for the injured masses to rise again against the unfair treatment of white, male conservatives. Oy.
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"For Whites Sensing a Decline" is a misstatement. Whites aren't sensing a decline, they are actually in the midst of the worst economic declined for them in the past century. Their wages have been stifled, their jobs taken away by the whims of the corporatists and the rich elitists in order to make more profits for themselves. This has been going on since the Reagan era. Fact: the white middle class workers chose to abandon the Democratic party after the passage of the Civil Rights act of 1964, and joined the Republican ranks. These same white middle class workers are now angry to the point of revolution. The Republican party is trying to find a way to keep them as voters. Trump seems to be their answer, because he is voicing their dissatisfaction with their economic plight over the past 30 years. So, is Trump simply a wolf in sheep's clothing and all the rhetoric he has espoused about bringing their jobs back simply going for naught? In the end, Trump will fold like a cheap suit and end up advocating the same GOP policies that threw the white middle class worker under the bus.
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Hate to say this but if Donald Trump is elected, we are going to see one of the most corrupt administrations in our history. Sorry.
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Whites are finding themselves in a more just society, racially speaking. Many have experienced being a minority, some have reasonable grievances where abuse of authority by non-Whites is concerned. We all agree that whites are not especially inclined towards racism, right? Would blacks prefer any European or North American country to being caste out in Asia? Russia? Latin America? If we are cosmopolitan citizens we know full well that any people given privilege and authority are going to lord it over others. If hostility should rise against whites and this society is reduced to infighting persons of color will have reduced their best chance at living in a liberal and free society. Nowhere in Africa, Asia, or Latin America are more different peoples welcomed; those dismissive of White Americans may wish to consider us your best ally instead.
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What decline? White men still wield a great deal of power and privilege and white women are the most privileged people on this planet. When I hear white women complaining about discrimination, I think, "Really? Try being a black woman for one day."
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So, NYT, when did you run the article featuring people of color supporting Trump across socio-economic lines? I missed your article featuring growing discontent of African American business owners amid other African American supports of Trump, did your political desk forget to run that one? Somewhere there was a feature about Nevada's Hispanics love Trump, would you mind re-running that article?
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Yeah I thought I was seeing things when I saw a black college man wearing a Trump t-shirt. I thought maybe it was a joke.
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I am a Bernie supporter and will likely vote for Hillary, under protest.
It pains me to say that much of what Trump says about trade deals and the loss of American jobs is true. Our politicians have acted in the best interests of corporations. There is no American protectionism. Even local farming has been taken over by large food conglomerates. Our economy is owned by China and we refuse to disassociate ourselves from Saudi Arabia, which is nothing more than a terrorist supporting state with an embassy.
The Democrats are just as much responsible for this as the Republicans. That is the problem. The Democrats share the blame for not acting in the best interests of the American people for many years. Trump can easily point to Bill Clinton and Obama and their trade agreements as examples of sending jobs overseas.
Trump has no political history so he cannot be directly connected with these policies. As a businessman, he can say that he was just looking for the best deal, and he didn't make the laws.
It pains me to say that much of what Trump says about trade deals and the loss of American jobs is true. Our politicians have acted in the best interests of corporations. There is no American protectionism. Even local farming has been taken over by large food conglomerates. Our economy is owned by China and we refuse to disassociate ourselves from Saudi Arabia, which is nothing more than a terrorist supporting state with an embassy.
The Democrats are just as much responsible for this as the Republicans. That is the problem. The Democrats share the blame for not acting in the best interests of the American people for many years. Trump can easily point to Bill Clinton and Obama and their trade agreements as examples of sending jobs overseas.
Trump has no political history so he cannot be directly connected with these policies. As a businessman, he can say that he was just looking for the best deal, and he didn't make the laws.
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Please get your facts straight. NAFTA was negotiated by the first Bush and amended to include environmental and labor protections by the first Clinton. Academic research shows that it had little impact on working class wages. China's entry into the WTO occurred at the end of 2001 and was largely negotiated by the second Bush (although limited liberalization began late in the first Clinton's second term). Academic research shows that it had a large adverse impact on the wages of the working, mostly through job loss. Finally, new academic research shows that unskilled immigrants has depressed the wages of unskilled American workers. But guess where the lion's share of them have come: Cuba.
The only trade deal negotiated by Obama was TPP, which isn't law and is overwhelmingly supported by Congressional Republicans.
The only trade deal negotiated by Obama was TPP, which isn't law and is overwhelmingly supported by Congressional Republicans.
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The colonizers are finished.
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Pretty depressing article. Guess hate is bigger and worse than ever before in America. Trump is bad enough but his followers seem to be mental midgets.
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That's not who we are but it is how the NYT decided to portray us. I'm a black supporter of Trump because I believe we need a legal-only immigration system and it would also be nice to bring some jobs back from overseas. "White" decline, as the article states is hardly of interest to me or many other non white Trump supporters.
The liberal NYT wrote the article they wished to write to get the emotions they wished to get. I call it media manipulation and I hope you are not falling for it.
The liberal NYT wrote the article they wished to write to get the emotions they wished to get. I call it media manipulation and I hope you are not falling for it.
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With less than 30% of the worlds population what should they expect. 2nd and 3rd world nations are advancing. The cat bird's seat is going going gone. Change is the world's future and to survive serious change must be accepted and adapted too.
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Accept those crumbs! No more living wage jobs for you! Get used to it.
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This is truly horrifying that we are even having this conversation on a national scale. Only 60 years ago we had another megalomaniac on the international stage who decided that Jews were the reason Germany had fallen so low after WWI. A nationalist movement was born, and resulted not only in the extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, but also the complete takeover of many European countries, all in the name of Aryan supremacy.
People, is this really what you want for the United States?
People, is this really what you want for the United States?
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Isn't Hillary trying to stir up various minority communities so they will get out and vote for her? She is using divisive language to get their support. To me this seems racist.
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Do you have evidence of her using racially divisive rhetoric of the same kind that Trump uses?
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Hillary says Trump is "dangerous" therefore she is using fear. Was he as dangerous when he was giving money to her campaign? Is he more dangerous than a SOS who uses a private, unsecured email to conduct top level government business.
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The Republican Party lost in 2012 because they smugly refused to broaden their tent and work to earn the votes of women and the nonwhite racial groups that are the future of America. The fact is, the country's demographics have changed over the past 25 years, and the Democratic Party, for all its imperfections, has adapted to reflect this. The fact that Republicans are doubling down on the same failed strategy seems like political suicide.
Mr. Trump’s campaign electrified the world of white nationalists so did the Nazi were in the hypnotic spell of Hitler.
We well wishing friends of America have been watching with dismay the disconcerting similarities between Trump and Hitler. We see plenty of truth in Jewish leaders op-ed pages to declare that they recognize “all too well the horrors of individuals using hate as a political platform and deploying language, implicit and explicit, that tears society apart”.
America seems to be edging closer to abyss. Quite a Americans seems believe in a fantasized glorious past (“make America great again”) – and that we must build walls or ban religions to regain the glory – pushes the outcome, terrifyingly, into the realm of possibility.
We aren’t wrong to point out that Trump certainly appears similar to Hitler in some ways. The rhetoric smacks of fascism, isolationism and grandiosity. Trump’s rallies, brook no dissent, evoke less orderly Third Reich affairs.
Trump's phenomenon confirms Fukuyama warning that “Modern liberal democracies are no less subject to political decay than other types of regimes.” Theorists imagine that democracies are self-correcting, but that doesn’t happen if voters “are poorly organized, or they fail to understand their own interests correctly.”
We well wishing friends of America have been watching with dismay the disconcerting similarities between Trump and Hitler. We see plenty of truth in Jewish leaders op-ed pages to declare that they recognize “all too well the horrors of individuals using hate as a political platform and deploying language, implicit and explicit, that tears society apart”.
America seems to be edging closer to abyss. Quite a Americans seems believe in a fantasized glorious past (“make America great again”) – and that we must build walls or ban religions to regain the glory – pushes the outcome, terrifyingly, into the realm of possibility.
We aren’t wrong to point out that Trump certainly appears similar to Hitler in some ways. The rhetoric smacks of fascism, isolationism and grandiosity. Trump’s rallies, brook no dissent, evoke less orderly Third Reich affairs.
Trump's phenomenon confirms Fukuyama warning that “Modern liberal democracies are no less subject to political decay than other types of regimes.” Theorists imagine that democracies are self-correcting, but that doesn’t happen if voters “are poorly organized, or they fail to understand their own interests correctly.”
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Thank you for this article. There could be a Part Two, about how "whites sensing decline" has fueled the proliferation of guns in this country. At the root of it, a biological reaction to feeling impotent and outnumbered. I think Freud would agree there is no greater symbol of male potency than a gun. It may come as a shock to white males that the firearms they insist should be freely available to them become just as available to those they consider their enemies and rivals, in fact, inviting those who stand to outnumber them to be armed as well. Bottom line is, racial tensions and gun proliferation are a toxic mix that bode for a dangerous future, no matter who is elected.
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Initially, I thought I would write nothing. It's a drop in the 2513 comments at my reading. In the final analysis, I would like to just say one thing: This Trump stuff has been boiling beneath the surface for some time. So, maybe it's better that it comes out and that we have a REAL discussion. And gradually, I think it's happening. The key: listen to both sides and put away reflexive emotions. Listen and try to understand. Only then can we come back together.
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As a Muslim American from Asia, I support Trump. His supposed "Anti Muslim" stance, is actually against Extremist Only. All Muslims should support Trump. His policies will bring back jobs for us and for our kids. Clinton will not bring or create jobs, Period. Her policies will further ship jobs out side of US and allow more illegal immigration.
He will stop the massive illegal immigration from the South. This massive illegal immigration will result in large and unnatural increase in Latino population, resulting in all sorts of problems: economic, social and environmental. According to me this (the illegal immigration) is the most direct threat to USA and to our Constitution. The destructive impact from massive illegal immigration is permanent and cannot be undone. We did survived and came out stronger from the terrorist attacks, threats and actions, but we will not survive from massive, uncontrolled illegal immigration.
If we are to keep USA as a vibrant multi cultural society, welcoming of the legal, controlled and sensible immigrants, then it is of utmost important to stop massive illegal immigration from the south and elsewhere (visa over stayers).
Only Trump will ensure, prosperity for all of us: Whites, Blacks, Asians and Latinos and makes America Great Again. When I say Trump, I mean his policies and stance on issues.
He will stop the massive illegal immigration from the South. This massive illegal immigration will result in large and unnatural increase in Latino population, resulting in all sorts of problems: economic, social and environmental. According to me this (the illegal immigration) is the most direct threat to USA and to our Constitution. The destructive impact from massive illegal immigration is permanent and cannot be undone. We did survived and came out stronger from the terrorist attacks, threats and actions, but we will not survive from massive, uncontrolled illegal immigration.
If we are to keep USA as a vibrant multi cultural society, welcoming of the legal, controlled and sensible immigrants, then it is of utmost important to stop massive illegal immigration from the south and elsewhere (visa over stayers).
Only Trump will ensure, prosperity for all of us: Whites, Blacks, Asians and Latinos and makes America Great Again. When I say Trump, I mean his policies and stance on issues.
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Please point to a single indicator, economic or social, that shows American in decline. You can't. But I'm hardly surprised that a follower of the most authoritarian monotheistic religion would look to an authoritarian to lead.
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White males have higher incomes, more accumulated wealth, occupy more positions of power in politics than nearly every other demographic group in America.
A sizeable subset of them are under-educated, under-achieving and angry,.. viewing those who are better off as the "establishment."
Donald Trump points the finger of blame for their shortcomings at brown-skinned folks and elite whites.
A sizeable subset of them are under-educated, under-achieving and angry,.. viewing those who are better off as the "establishment."
Donald Trump points the finger of blame for their shortcomings at brown-skinned folks and elite whites.
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Trump's rants and to a lesser extent the exhortations of Bernie Sanders channel the anger and frustration of the working class who see their long held values being assailed and slowly degraded while their lives are stuck in neutral and they seem to be going nowhere while every possible "victim group" and minority seems to be advancing, getting attention and having their issues addressed.
Trump gives a voice to that anger but the changes that anger visualizes are
so extreme and brutal that the cure is more dangerous than the disease. Just goes to show that while anger is a good thing it only goes so far and it is never a good idea to make major decisions while angry. Remember that when you go to the voting booth in November.
Trump as President would be relief for that anger but disaster for America.
Trump gives a voice to that anger but the changes that anger visualizes are
so extreme and brutal that the cure is more dangerous than the disease. Just goes to show that while anger is a good thing it only goes so far and it is never a good idea to make major decisions while angry. Remember that when you go to the voting booth in November.
Trump as President would be relief for that anger but disaster for America.
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Regardless of his positions on legitimate issues, Donald Trump will be remembered as the most divisive candidate in a generation. The man's lack of civility, his insults and ill-considered, flippant comments have no place in a rational political commentary.
Rather than discuss actual issues, he simply attacks his opponents with character assassination and ad hominum slurs. I can't imagine him dealing with international matters in any rational way. He's a small-minded bigot who represents the worst of American culture.
Rather than discuss actual issues, he simply attacks his opponents with character assassination and ad hominum slurs. I can't imagine him dealing with international matters in any rational way. He's a small-minded bigot who represents the worst of American culture.
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I think the real resentment among whites is that they feel that there is a deliberate effort under way to minoritize them by allowing a flood of non-white immigrants, both legal and illegal into the country, displacing whites from their jobs and changing the culture, the country and the politics in a way they don't like. The figure I see is that about 90% of non-white immigrants vote Democrat, so it's no wonder the Democrats won't enforce the immigration laws. More immigrants = more Democrat votes = more power and money for them.
What the Democrats didn't count on was the divisiveness that too much diversity causes. They thought slogans like "multiculturalism" and "celebrate diversity" was all that was needed to usher in the "fundamental change of America" that Obama talks so glowingly about.
But the reality is we have the New Black Panther Party talking about wanting the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina to become a separate black nation with a separate government, and some Mexican immigrant groups want California and other states to rejoin Mexico. And it's been pretty clear from September 11, 2001 onward, that a number of Muslims don't like our country or our culture.
I don't like Trump or Clinton, but it's pretty clear we have become a deeply divided nation.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/10/exclusive-new-black-p...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/16/20060416-122222-1672r/
What the Democrats didn't count on was the divisiveness that too much diversity causes. They thought slogans like "multiculturalism" and "celebrate diversity" was all that was needed to usher in the "fundamental change of America" that Obama talks so glowingly about.
But the reality is we have the New Black Panther Party talking about wanting the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina to become a separate black nation with a separate government, and some Mexican immigrant groups want California and other states to rejoin Mexico. And it's been pretty clear from September 11, 2001 onward, that a number of Muslims don't like our country or our culture.
I don't like Trump or Clinton, but it's pretty clear we have become a deeply divided nation.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/10/exclusive-new-black-p...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/16/20060416-122222-1672r/
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Are you using Breitbart and The Washington Times as "news" sources or examples of how crazy and paranoid the far right is? If the latter, well, OK; but if the former, you need to understand that they stay in business only by constantly stoking the paranoia of well-intentioned Americans like you. The radio programs Breitbart cites are tar pits of this kind of reactionary thinking, buying into, repeating (and re-tweeting) the propaganda until it becomes the new "truth." You can live in fear - and institutionalize it by anointing Trump - or you can work within the democratic system that has served us well for 240 years to make things better.
There are historical precedents for Trump - as recent as Joe McCarthy and Barry Goldwater - but none that I want to see repeated under Trump.
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There are historical precedents for Trump - as recent as Joe McCarthy and Barry Goldwater - but none that I want to see repeated under Trump.
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U.S. has always been de facto separate. Why not make it official.
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Trump is restoring America's heritage: conquest, slavery, white supremacy, extermination.
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"We will no longer surrender our country or its people to the false song of globalism."
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Thank you for publishing this fine and terrifying article. Mr. Trump's supporters evidently want a different nation, based on radically different ideas about humanity, Christianity, justice, and decency. Throw out the Constitution, abolish the Declaration of Independence, forget about Abraham Lincoln, Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, and for that matter even Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Bring in thuggery, discrimination if not actual slavery, and economic misery for virtually everyone. Let the millions upon millions of Americans who do not like it try to emigrate to a better place.
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So, Trump is a racist. George W. Bush with his degree from Yale and his successful governance of Texas for a decade was an idiot, John McCain-the most decorated and qualified candidate in a century was a racist, Sarah Palin-a governor in her 40s while raising a family including a special needs child was a floozy and a moron, Mitt Romney was an out of touch plutocrat who didn't pay taxes although he did pay taxes and had much less money than John Kerry.
So, now you're afraid. I'm sorry no one is listening to you any more.
So, now you're afraid. I'm sorry no one is listening to you any more.
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How did John Kerry make his money?
John Kerry had inherited money (Forbes-family) and married Theresa Heinz -- heiress to the condiment fortune.
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I get a really good out loud laugh on a daily basis when I read the NYT headline stories about Trump. The more they try to discredit him, the more popular he becomes. People are fed up, period. The status quo is doing nothing for no one. Isis breathing down our necks, the police under attack, our black neighbors being told that anyone born white has the upper hand, by a President who can't even keep his leftist rhetoric out of a memorial speech for 5 slain cops. The days of the liberal elites (like the old drunk who couldn't even hold her head up during the last State of the Union address) dictating what is right to the electorate is over. You guys better find yourselves another job, or write a bestseller. Common sense will prevail.
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Trump won't do anything for you either. He's ringing all these bells -- ISIS! Mexican rapists on drugs! -- to disguise the fact that he has no policy position that could actually be implemented.
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Bottom line -- racial polarization will be very bad for ordinary working and middle class people, whether they are white, black, or Latino. Way too much of US history is about the privileged benefiting by playing divide and conquer with the bulk of the population -- today is very, very much in that tradition.
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So, for a little more shock value, why not ship ALL these white nationalists back to where they came from (Scotland, England, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, etc.)???!
We are a nation of immigrants, people... the tired, the poor, the troubled masses yearning to be free. Can't we all just learn to get along?
We are a nation of immigrants, people... the tired, the poor, the troubled masses yearning to be free. Can't we all just learn to get along?
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Yeah, like Trump is going to do anything for these folks. Trump is doing anything to get elected.
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I'm impressed with your data collection and statistical analysis, how large was your sampling.
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It makes me laugh that liberals are so dismissive of middle and working class whites who have legitimate concerns. The Working and middle class have seen their jobs being either lost to lower paid illegal immigrants or shipped to other countries. Wages have been stagnant. Crime has increased. Meanwhile these liberals live in white enclaves like Chappaqua or Boulder Co. where minorities and poor whites can't afford to live. It's so easy to preach from an ivory tower.
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Bravo
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The vast majority of liberals are white middle class and working Americans. It is the wealthy living in white enclaves, both liberal and conservative, that are controlling the economy, depressing wages and shipping jobs overseas. The wealthy are the ones controlling much of the message.
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Ask Donald Trump how many Mexicans and other foreign workers he has hired instead of Americans.
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The downside of America started with Reagan, privatization,deregulation, foreign military engagements.
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That's strange because I could swear we were involved in foreign military engagements before Reagan took office. And I also thought Carter was president in 1978 when the airlines were deregulated.
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Academic research shows that the entry of China into the WTO was the big game changer. The terms under which it entered were largely negotiated by the second Bush.
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I suggest that the NYT should read these comments with a rarely open mind. As Bill Clinton said, it's about jobs, stupid. I drove through the economic wasteland of Martinsville, VA yesterday, victim of devastation wrought by globalist economic policies overtly supported by the Clintons, various RINO politicians, banks, etc. This same devastation is seen in smaller cities throughout the country. Look in any of these cities and you will find high unemployment, despair about the future, drugs, crime, and a reversion to welfare dependence in people, white and black both, who used to proudly take care of themselves and their families. Trump in his way and Sanders in his way have correctly captured this reality, ignited the anger and grief, and the liberal elites in the financial and IT havens can't handle it. I hate it that bigots have glommed on to Trump, and that Trump has had to wink at their bigotry to get them to turn out, but it was the globalist economic blabber promulgated by the NYT and the Clintons (and I must say, Newt Gingrich and other Republicans as well) that have created Trump's movement. Obama was given a chance to fix the politics that created these problems and blew the opportunity. That is why more people will vote for Trump than the liberal press will dare to believe.
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Obama blew it? Your agenda is showing.
After Obama's election, the party of "NO" prevented the resurgence of America. They trashed the rebuilding of the infrastructure, The High speed rail, And, along with Blue dog democrats (Actually stealth Republicans) trashed The single payer healthcare,... anything and everything they could to do to stop the rebuilding of America. All to harm Obama. And by the tone of your post, You bought it hook line and sinker. Obama blew it?
After Obama's election, the party of "NO" prevented the resurgence of America. They trashed the rebuilding of the infrastructure, The High speed rail, And, along with Blue dog democrats (Actually stealth Republicans) trashed The single payer healthcare,... anything and everything they could to do to stop the rebuilding of America. All to harm Obama. And by the tone of your post, You bought it hook line and sinker. Obama blew it?
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I hope you are not referring to the NYT when you say the liberal press. None of the mainstream press is liberal. They have been the mouthpiece for the moneyed class. While not as "conservative" as Fox, they all support "capitalism gone wrong".
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Fact check: Obama was swimming upstream against a Niagara Falls of Republican stonewalling - and still is. What's impressive is how much he accomplished anyway. What's depressing is how much more could have been done had Republicans not been blocking and demonizing all his attempts. Republicans blew up his attempts; it wasn't Obama that failed. Truth, not truthiness.
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Since 1965, there have been more than 50 million abortions in the United States and more than 4 million in Canada, well over one half by "sexually liberated" white females. And at least times more than the loss of "whites" jobs in American and Canadian manufacturing. Adding to that the many millions of white soldiers - American, British, German, French, Russians - who proceeded to kill themselves with lustful hatred, we have convincing proof that the "whites" are the main cause of their self-destruction
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To me at least, the mood in the US is the closest it's ever been in my lifetime to the mood in Germany fifteen or so years before I was born. Masses were unemployed; housing was in short supply; German pride was in the gutter; people were looking for scapegoats. Along came a candidate who promised to bring back the jobs, build affordable housing, make Germany powerful and respected, and put his stamp of approval on the scapegoating. He came to power in a democratic election and, at first, delivered quite a bit on his promises. No wonder they were willing to follow him any and everywhere he wanted to lead them, whether into a fascist dictatorship, the moral horror of the Holocaust, or a war that left Europe in shambles and at the mercy of the victors. Their despair over the unacceptable status quo had blinded them to the megalomania of the man who promised to be their secular saviour.
Trump may not be Hitler, but both used a strategy of stirring up the underlying hatreds. A majority of Germans did not yet, at the time they elected him and even as he led them into war, see "Hitler" as the man we, and they, all came to associate with that name after the devastation had been done. Hindsight is 20/20.
The problems facing America are real. There's no guarantee Clinton can get us out of the frying pan, but I fear Trump will simply flip the pan and send us tumbling into the fire. However one might feel about the e-mail server issue, I'd rather take a chance on her.
Trump may not be Hitler, but both used a strategy of stirring up the underlying hatreds. A majority of Germans did not yet, at the time they elected him and even as he led them into war, see "Hitler" as the man we, and they, all came to associate with that name after the devastation had been done. Hindsight is 20/20.
The problems facing America are real. There's no guarantee Clinton can get us out of the frying pan, but I fear Trump will simply flip the pan and send us tumbling into the fire. However one might feel about the e-mail server issue, I'd rather take a chance on her.
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Thank you for your eloquent insight. I know many are at their wits end with unemployment and feeling left out, ect. I agree with you. Trump is not the answer to the problem. I just can not wrap my brain around the fact that so many don't see it. This is what is disturbing me.
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The future will be decided by the youth, not by the old ones who are afraid of change. Tomorrow already happened, if we like it or if we don't like it. The young generation seems to be colorblind, biracial relationships are normal now, so are biracial babies.
Do I like it? Well, it really doesn't matter what I think.
As for Trump, he is just riding the wave, says what people want to hear. He drives on anger, hate, and fear. The fear of everything that might be different. He will get the votes of the "angry voter"...and there are many.
Do I like it? Well, it really doesn't matter what I think.
As for Trump, he is just riding the wave, says what people want to hear. He drives on anger, hate, and fear. The fear of everything that might be different. He will get the votes of the "angry voter"...and there are many.
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While this is an excellent and Interesting article, the author leaves a number of important issues unexplained. Early in the article the author states that 60% of white respondents believe that race relations are getting worse. There's no real explanation why. Me thinks the reason is that many whites believe race relations are worse because there are too many "uppity" blacks and Hispanics who are speaking out and won't simply take what whites gladly and they would say generously give them (like back in the "good ole days").
You will never be able to explain a nuanced idea like white privilege, or a concept that many whites get ahead or at least are not held back BECAUSE of their race to people who honestly believe things like Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent.
You will never be able to explain a nuanced idea like white privilege, or a concept that many whites get ahead or at least are not held back BECAUSE of their race to people who honestly believe things like Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent.
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Telling any successful person they got where they are because of their skin color (and not hard work, taking risks, and perseverance) is insulting and racist. Maybe that's why race relations are so bad.
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After fifty years of affirmative action for everyone but whites. it is time for a change.
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Whites are in decline?
How so? Are we achieving less? Are we producing less?
The answer to both questions is no,
Standard of living is rising although slower over the last 8 years and productivity is rising,
How so? Are we achieving less? Are we producing less?
The answer to both questions is no,
Standard of living is rising although slower over the last 8 years and productivity is rising,
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Donald Trump has spent 70 years working the system to enrich himself. He doesn't care about your white power ideals, he doesn't care about abortion, he doesn't care about you, your family, or what you think.
He figured out that he could make money from campaigning, and just like his late night infomercials for vitamins, just like selling ghost written books, just like his casinos and fake college, selling Trump stakes and vodka, he could care less if you ordinary people get scammed as long as he gets your money.
The son of a rich man, Trump has always been rich, went to a private academy for school, got military deferment even though he played numerous sports. He has numerous multi-million dollar houses and mostly lives in a high rise penthouse in New York. How on earth do you think he is anything like you or cares about what you do, because he says so?
The man doesn't care about what he says, he'll say anything, because it means nothing to him. Nothing. He claimed he was pro abortion, then anti-abortion, then he didn't know. Know why? Because he hasn't figured out how to make money on abortions. If he did he would make up his mind real fast.
Years ago he donated money to Hillary Clinton and said she was great. Why? Because he thought he could make money if he did so. Now he says she's awful and horrible. The reason, because he thinks he can money by doing so. He doesn't care at all about right or wrong or the issues you do, he cares about the money. That's all.
He figured out that he could make money from campaigning, and just like his late night infomercials for vitamins, just like selling ghost written books, just like his casinos and fake college, selling Trump stakes and vodka, he could care less if you ordinary people get scammed as long as he gets your money.
The son of a rich man, Trump has always been rich, went to a private academy for school, got military deferment even though he played numerous sports. He has numerous multi-million dollar houses and mostly lives in a high rise penthouse in New York. How on earth do you think he is anything like you or cares about what you do, because he says so?
The man doesn't care about what he says, he'll say anything, because it means nothing to him. Nothing. He claimed he was pro abortion, then anti-abortion, then he didn't know. Know why? Because he hasn't figured out how to make money on abortions. If he did he would make up his mind real fast.
Years ago he donated money to Hillary Clinton and said she was great. Why? Because he thought he could make money if he did so. Now he says she's awful and horrible. The reason, because he thinks he can money by doing so. He doesn't care at all about right or wrong or the issues you do, he cares about the money. That's all.
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Not happy to see the name Trump above the fold again, and this is an analysis article which could easily be placed inside. Personally I think the President's proactive bridging of police and black activists deserved the better coverage.
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What should we make of the support of our current president by such beacons of virtue as Reverend Wright, the New Black Panther Party and of course BLM? These groups are no worse than the folks you profile is this hit piece.
I am not a Trump supporter but I can see his appeal. For the better part of the last decade there has been an non-stop drum beat of criticism and outward hostility toward white Americans, particularly men. Michael Dyson of Georgetown can write what is effectively a racist manifesto on the pages of this paper and is offered time on network news without any repurcussions. Some guy on CNN recently said blacks cannot be racist yet no one challenged him of such absurdity. A news story today on NPR of Jeff Sessions focuses on whether he a racist or not. If the person in question is a republican, the media will non-stop dig for that racist comment they might have made. Yet Biden gets a complete pass with calling Obama "clean and articulate" and Clinton on carrying "hot sauce" in her pursue.
White America is simply fed up with being labeled as the cause for whatever societal ills there may be by a particular group.
I think the "silent majority" is real.
I am not a Trump supporter but I can see his appeal. For the better part of the last decade there has been an non-stop drum beat of criticism and outward hostility toward white Americans, particularly men. Michael Dyson of Georgetown can write what is effectively a racist manifesto on the pages of this paper and is offered time on network news without any repurcussions. Some guy on CNN recently said blacks cannot be racist yet no one challenged him of such absurdity. A news story today on NPR of Jeff Sessions focuses on whether he a racist or not. If the person in question is a republican, the media will non-stop dig for that racist comment they might have made. Yet Biden gets a complete pass with calling Obama "clean and articulate" and Clinton on carrying "hot sauce" in her pursue.
White America is simply fed up with being labeled as the cause for whatever societal ills there may be by a particular group.
I think the "silent majority" is real.
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The author fails to grasp and identify the actual frustration and angst the majority of Americans feel about the decades of change in America. It has nothing to do with race; it is how we are becoming more than ONE Nation, ONE America. We have become multiple and splintered groups.
Throughout our history, people from all lands have been welcomed here. While they have all brought unique aspects of their heritage and culture which makes America so unique it its diversity, there was an understanding, in fact a willingness, to become AMERICAN! That especially includes adopting the mores and norms of the American society and learning the American English language. Enabling millions of immigrants to function seamlessly without becoming actual citizens or even worse, allowing to adhere to different laws (Sharia) and not requiring to adopt to a single language has harmed America. This is the true source of frustration and despair to most Americans (I would hope most); how we have allowed our great country to become more than one United States of America. A diverse America is a strong nation; a divided America is not.
Throughout our history, people from all lands have been welcomed here. While they have all brought unique aspects of their heritage and culture which makes America so unique it its diversity, there was an understanding, in fact a willingness, to become AMERICAN! That especially includes adopting the mores and norms of the American society and learning the American English language. Enabling millions of immigrants to function seamlessly without becoming actual citizens or even worse, allowing to adhere to different laws (Sharia) and not requiring to adopt to a single language has harmed America. This is the true source of frustration and despair to most Americans (I would hope most); how we have allowed our great country to become more than one United States of America. A diverse America is a strong nation; a divided America is not.
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You can go to youtube going back 12 years and see Trump saying things like we should never have gone into Iraq, the Europeans hate us and sounding very much the progressive New Yorker. Who is he? The clown before us beating Clinton in the poles or a political Clark Kent?
Where are the issues?
Where are the issues?
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This is a fantastic article, by far the best overview I have read of the Trump candidacy in the context of the zeitgeist. Thank you, Mr. Confessore. In direct, unpretentious words you have described the political world we now live in.
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While I would never vote for Donald Trump, I am beginning to understand his appeal to younger, white voters. My son showed my some articles concerning an employee forum on a UNC blog. There were suggestions posted concerning speech (around perceived micro-aggressions like don't say Christmas vacation or don't comment on people's shoes) that were so ludicrous that I thought he was kidding. I thought that the over wrought "trigger warnings" that sprung up on college campuses earlier this year were bad enough. I lived through PC time and thought that we had grown past this. There are rude and mean people in the real world and one has to deal with them on a daily basis. Young people have to learn to live in the world that isn't set up to "nurture" them and "enhance" their lives. Look around at the entire world and realize that this demand that people not use "micro-aggressions" is such an arrogant, first world pursuit. This is not the same as institutional racism and shouldn't be treated as such. Mean people suck but there they are. Free speech is real and there we are. This policing of speech and the stupidity of it is what drives even more reasonable people into the Trump army.
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For Racist Whites Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Unleashes Words of Resistance...
There, fixed it for you.
There, fixed it for you.
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Tell it like it is. Looking at the people at Trump rallies, they appear to be uninformef redneck types who always seem to follow someone who they believe will rescue them.
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Now if our "Representatives" would do the people's business, instead of doing what brings them more corporate bribes , excuse me, "Citizens United Donations", they would change the tax laws and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
Now what's so difficult about that?
If anyone expects the Fakir to bring manufacturing back, I have some stock in his casino's to sell you. Can you guess why he is hiding his tax returns ?
If you really want to restore America, bring back main street and our manufacturing, get the tax code changed so it helps the average citizen, not the 1%. No demagogue needed. No need to let the fakir destroy America's freedom with a Right Wing supreme court. This was Senator Sanders remedy.
Now what's so difficult about that?
If anyone expects the Fakir to bring manufacturing back, I have some stock in his casino's to sell you. Can you guess why he is hiding his tax returns ?
If you really want to restore America, bring back main street and our manufacturing, get the tax code changed so it helps the average citizen, not the 1%. No demagogue needed. No need to let the fakir destroy America's freedom with a Right Wing supreme court. This was Senator Sanders remedy.
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Land of immigrants, can trump ridicule Hispanics Black Chinese being Americans. Sectarian attitude is a prelude to fascism which is not the coin of 21st century world family. whats the difference between him and Jihadis ideology ?
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---the writer of this article perpetuates the lie that Trump is a racist and that he insulted Mexicans. Trump was only referring to illegal immigrants from Mexico who are criminals.
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Donald Trump is doubling down on his controversial comments about Mexican immigration.
The entrepreneur and Republican presidential candidate sent out an epic three page, 881 word statement on Monday afternoon detailing his belief that "the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government."
"The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this," Trump wrote. "Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world
I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech," Trump wrote, adding, "What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.
The entrepreneur and Republican presidential candidate sent out an epic three page, 881 word statement on Monday afternoon detailing his belief that "the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government."
"The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this," Trump wrote. "Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world
I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech," Trump wrote, adding, "What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.
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The writer pushes his point a little too much and over-generalizes. I'm mystified why the NYT publishes pieces like this. It is short on data but filled with judgments. Isn't the idea to persuade or is it merely to affirm one's prejudices? We certainly will not come together as a society if one side prejudges the other. Can we expect better from the NYT?
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What'd they get wrong, exactly? Do you not think it's important to look at WHY people'd support an obvious loon and scam artist?
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Fear is a powerful emotion. It would seem that there are some whites that fear they cannot compete without a "White Privilege" subsidy. Rather than trying to turn back the clock they would be better served to hone their skills and education in order to compete in the ever increasingly global competitive market. We cannot maintain a White Supremacist enclave within the world order and expect to thrive and survive.
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U MAD?
Poor, working class, middle class whites have been voting against their own interest for centuries. Whites people choose to invest in their "whiteness" instead of paying attention to public policy. As usual white people place the blame of their self-inflicted misfortune on others instead of looking in the mirror.
It's a new day, the party is over, the sun has set... the America you once knew has, "Gone With The Wind".
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Poor, working class, middle class whites have been voting against their own interest for centuries. Whites people choose to invest in their "whiteness" instead of paying attention to public policy. As usual white people place the blame of their self-inflicted misfortune on others instead of looking in the mirror.
It's a new day, the party is over, the sun has set... the America you once knew has, "Gone With The Wind".
I
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"Whites Sensing Decline....". Your headline indicates the NYT's efforts at arousing fear and resentment, the very fear and resentment which you attribute to Donald Trump supporters. You may be surprised to learn that there are many Trump supporters among educated people of many races and ethnic backgrounds just as you may also be very surprised to learn that many people will be voting for Donald Trump. All Trump supporters are not the low class, uneducated and resentful white population which your paper and many in the media would like us to believe. Those Trump voters will not disclose their choice right now precisely for the reason that they are held up to the scorn and ridicule which the liberal media and many in the electorate choose to dump on them. NYT -- start reporting the news instead of editorializing, slanting and sensationalizing every news article.
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This country was built on racism and exploitation. Ironically, it is the white people I speak with who deny it. In my office of over three hundred people, there is one African American. It is not the only time I have experienced this.
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All Trump lacks are human values:
Truth, right action, peace, love and non-violence.
Truth, right action, peace, love and non-violence.
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All Hillary lacks is moral integrity.
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so whos perfect, huh ?
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Nice of the Times to notice that Trump has run a racist bigoted
campaign. Not everyone who supports Trump is a bigot, but all the
bigots do.
Trump is the head of the White Grievance Party The media has
played along. Shame on them.
campaign. Not everyone who supports Trump is a bigot, but all the
bigots do.
Trump is the head of the White Grievance Party The media has
played along. Shame on them.
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This is like the quotes about fire, "If you play with fire, you're gonna get burned" and "where there is smoke there's fire". Trump is playing with fire and the results are never good. The fact that an article like this needs (and should be) to be written is very alarming for the wellbeing of America. No one one is going to benefit from Trump as President, white or otherwise.
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"Where there's smoke, there's fire" is exactly why quite a few of us think Billary belongs in jail. Both of her.
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So if Trump is the candidate of angry whites, is Clinton the candidate of angry blacks? Of course both characterizations are selective and oversimplifications of their support. Nonetheless, the New York Times will write the first article, but not the second.
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This article merely spells out that Trump's vile, hateful rhetoric of the past year has made him singlehandedly responsible for much of the racial tension today. We have had other examples like him in the world's history and none of their legacies turned out well. The damage he and his followers are doing to this country will be negatively impacting all but a white, bigoted population.
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I must confess this ode to Joseph Goebbels would be sickening on the distorted surface level alone but on the deeper manipulative level it is truly disgusting. Reading the pitiful comments on this putrid piece of politically correct propaganda, obviously designed to disrupt the "racist" convention of Republican monsters, one is struck by the utter stupidity of the programmed leftist zombies and the plaintive cries of Trump supporters that they are not racists. The cynicism and contempt that Goebbels felt for his subjects is echoed by this "writer". The program is really quite simple, stop Trump by any means even at the cost of the total degradation of political discourse and the erasure of honest journalism as the jewel in the crown of American democracy. Not only is Trump painted as a racist (the party"line") but anyone who votes for him is too... of course that paragon of virtue, the entitled one who will appoint left wing radicals to the Supreme Court and is as crooked as a mafia don gets a pass. There are racist politicians, cops and people. There always have been and probably always will be. They have no particular set party or platform, race, sex or religion. What sets them apart is hatred for other people. They are nothing but a tiny minority of our citizens. Trump is no more a racist than the author of this article is a communist. The viewpoint of this newspaper and this trained propagandist is a construct to influence this election. Bankrupt ideology, bankrupt NYT
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"After the deadly attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., by a gunman who expressed sympathy for the Islamic State, voters are evenly divided on which candidate would do a better job of handling terrorism and national security, an issue on which Mrs. Clinton held a seven-percentage-point advantage last month."
Hillary was for the ISIS becoz they were against Assad. She allowed them to be armed by US catspaws in ME like the democracy loving KSA and Qatar and Kuwait. Its blown up in our faces as usual. And hundreds of thousands are dead. While democratic KSA despots are probably teetering on blowback. Anyway not good news - the lady has a reverse midas touch on external affairs. She is actually incredibly stupid and arrogant about the world. The Libya debacle was another of her own speciality offering.
Hillary was for the ISIS becoz they were against Assad. She allowed them to be armed by US catspaws in ME like the democracy loving KSA and Qatar and Kuwait. Its blown up in our faces as usual. And hundreds of thousands are dead. While democratic KSA despots are probably teetering on blowback. Anyway not good news - the lady has a reverse midas touch on external affairs. She is actually incredibly stupid and arrogant about the world. The Libya debacle was another of her own speciality offering.
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I get that things are broken in our political and economic systems. What astonishes me is that some people think that a buffoon like Trump can fix it.
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What makes you think America should believe that a liar, a political oligarch, and a woman absent of any core values can fix our problems?
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Typical NY Times hit piece...full of innuendo, light on evidence. The fact is Trump has broad cross over appeal to all demographics who prefer his brash leadership style and political incorrectness to Hillary's tired old brand of deceit, corruption and influence peddling.
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Racism is the absolute last thing on my mind in regard to this election.
It's not going away no matter who is president, it's just not.
I think we should focus our attention on bigger issues such as climate change, pending trade wars, nuclear war, world economies and a host of other major problems that threaten us.
So some black people don't like white people and some white people don't like black people, is that so difficult to live with and except as adults in 2016. Must to be front and center every New York Times article every single day?
It's not going away no matter who is president, it's just not.
I think we should focus our attention on bigger issues such as climate change, pending trade wars, nuclear war, world economies and a host of other major problems that threaten us.
So some black people don't like white people and some white people don't like black people, is that so difficult to live with and except as adults in 2016. Must to be front and center every New York Times article every single day?
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I don't understand the push against "political correctness." I was raised to be civil when speaking about or to others. This isn't political correctness - it's respect of others. It isn't do unto others as they do unto you, it's do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Uh, see another poster's comment re forbidding the use of the word "Christmas" on a college campus.
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Assuming that story is even true (and I doubt its validity), is not using the word "Christmas" in one place in the world going to kill anyone? Is it going to kill some people to accept that not everyone is Christian or celebrates Christmas and that's okay? Is it devastating for them to accept that maybe it's not polite to comment on someone's shoes, or ask if they can touch her hair? Is that really what this is all about--that the denial of the right of white people to do these things without social reprobation is so upsetting that they need to turn to a charlatan that promises he will make these things all right again, while in the meantime diverting attention to the fact that he and his fellow wealthy men will still have their hands in these people's pockets and will not do a thing to help them get jobs or improve their lives?
"Divide and conquer" is a political approach that is as old as time. If we needed any proof of how well it works, we see it in comments like these from whiny whites who are upset that they can't do racist things anymore without being called on it, and the one above from a Muslim who intends to vote for Trump because of being convinced that Trump wants to eliminate only the "bad" Muslims from America, not the "good" ones like himself. "First he came for the 'bad' Muslims, and I did not speak out..."
It is amazing the number of people who will sell their lives and fortunes down the river merely for the right to remain unreconstructed racists.
"Divide and conquer" is a political approach that is as old as time. If we needed any proof of how well it works, we see it in comments like these from whiny whites who are upset that they can't do racist things anymore without being called on it, and the one above from a Muslim who intends to vote for Trump because of being convinced that Trump wants to eliminate only the "bad" Muslims from America, not the "good" ones like himself. "First he came for the 'bad' Muslims, and I did not speak out..."
It is amazing the number of people who will sell their lives and fortunes down the river merely for the right to remain unreconstructed racists.
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As a White American, I understand the exhaustion many feel with having to apologize for the wrongs done before we or our grandparents were even born. I understand the frustration that there exist a perception that only whites are racist. I understand the frustration that other American cultures have a month to designate pride in their culture, whereas, 'White' America is only suppose to feel shame. I even understand the insult that White Americans are written in lower case 'w'.
As a White American, who voted for Obama twice, his election did not represent a "symbol of declining pre-eminence in American Society". Rather it represented Hope and Change. Hope that we would start viewing ourselves first as Americans rather than Black, Irish, Italian, Hispanic, etc. Sadly, it's just raised the ugly head of racism and has cut out our hearts, hopes, and dreams of finally becoming a United peoples.
As a White American, who voted for Obama twice, his election did not represent a "symbol of declining pre-eminence in American Society". Rather it represented Hope and Change. Hope that we would start viewing ourselves first as Americans rather than Black, Irish, Italian, Hispanic, etc. Sadly, it's just raised the ugly head of racism and has cut out our hearts, hopes, and dreams of finally becoming a United peoples.
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Give many of the comments here, alone, racism is not something practiced by white ancestors -- it is still alive and well and living in the hearts of those Trump -- through his stated biases -- has given a new voice -- and permission to state how they have felt all along. Why make excuses for it by blaming other than yourselves. This "we didn't do it" stance, when a black person (or 2) is killed at least, is homeless or jobless. Please!
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Until you know what it is like to be redlined out of buying a house in a particular neighborhood, or told an apartment is already rented and then learn it wasn't, or to be worried about driving in certain neighborhoods at night because you might be stopped for a petty reason, or that you won't get considered for a job because the name on your resume seems like it might have an African origin, please don't talk to me about how whites suffer from racism as badly as blacks.
Oh, and in case you wonder, I'm white. But being white didn't deprive me of ears to listen and a mind to think about things I haven't experienced and the ability to acknowledge: "Yeah, OK. Maybe the whole concept of 'reverse racism' that my fellow whites keep pointing at like a war wound is overblown. Maybe when I used to think 'I am not responsible for this country's institutional racism because my family didn't even come to America until the 1920s,' I was not seeing the whole picture."
Recognizing one's privilege is not about white guilt and chest-beating. It is about realizing that if you relinquish needing the comfort of knowing your own needs are always placed front and center, the world will not end. It is also about the ability to pay attention to the way the man behind the curtain is attempting to manipulate people's desperate clinging to the concept of "white identity" to serve only his own ends--not theirs. I hope many of them wake up before it is too late.
Oh, and in case you wonder, I'm white. But being white didn't deprive me of ears to listen and a mind to think about things I haven't experienced and the ability to acknowledge: "Yeah, OK. Maybe the whole concept of 'reverse racism' that my fellow whites keep pointing at like a war wound is overblown. Maybe when I used to think 'I am not responsible for this country's institutional racism because my family didn't even come to America until the 1920s,' I was not seeing the whole picture."
Recognizing one's privilege is not about white guilt and chest-beating. It is about realizing that if you relinquish needing the comfort of knowing your own needs are always placed front and center, the world will not end. It is also about the ability to pay attention to the way the man behind the curtain is attempting to manipulate people's desperate clinging to the concept of "white identity" to serve only his own ends--not theirs. I hope many of them wake up before it is too late.
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I can't believe anyone can trust trump. He's cheated his way through life, bankruptcy and other scams that hurt people who work for their livelihood. Boy I hope he loses.
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The litany of anti-Trump stories from the Times has me wondering just who the real racist is. The Clintons have been so tinged (who's getting Bill's coffee these days?) and no one really wonders about our 'transformative' president any more, determined to paint one million law enforcement officers with a broad brush based on the acts of a miniscule percentage while defending out and out thugs as victims. The Grey Lady is about as 'fair and balanced' as Fox News.
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I'm encouraged by all the Millenials finally expressing their anger at the "Snowflakes" who have damaged the right to free speech. Trigger warnings and denial of a podium to a speaker the Snowflakes disagree with are proof that The Left dislikes true freedom enough to destroy our constitution. Their "Newspeak" actions on language are hideous and getting uglier by the day.
The Republicans do not deserve the blame nor credit do this movement. They have allowed this deterioration of freedom to continue and grow.
At last we are seeing people realizing what we are losing and have lost.
Power to the people. Kick the Elitists out.
The Republicans do not deserve the blame nor credit do this movement. They have allowed this deterioration of freedom to continue and grow.
At last we are seeing people realizing what we are losing and have lost.
Power to the people. Kick the Elitists out.
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Trump is resonating on immigration bc everyone knows we naturalize well over 1,000,000 (mostly 3rd world poor) immigrants to this country annually. WE have issued 680,000 green cards to citizens from predominantly Muslim countries in the last 10 yrs. Obama, Kerry, the left generally are trying to absorb as many refugees from Muslim countries (in addition to immigration floods) to this country who may or may not be compatible with our culture. Indeed, they are from countries that are the polar opposite of western civilization. This is perceived, correctly, as an attack and threat to this nation's culture, economy & sovereignty. No country in the world can responsibly do this and expect to maintain their nationhood. I realize that 3rd world, poor & other immigrants vote overwhelmingly Democrat. but this is not what the American people want, including many Democrats. America is the most successful nation, culture and economy in the world for the masses, but this will not continue if that culture is diluted and unsuccessful cultures gain influence. Trump is tight, the elites are wrong. And it's a fear of losing the national character and culture, which is not "white" but "American". Its also a disservice to the many millions of immigrants who have assimilated successfully or fought to escape the unsuccessful cultures we have so irresponsibly invited here in multitudes that are very unlikely to do the same.
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As a descendant of Sicilian immigrants, I am at a loss to understand why so many of my fellow Italian Americans support Donald Trump.
Have they forgotten their own history?
I'd suggest a look at an early 20th century newspaper.
Read how these immigrants from the Mezzogiorno were often depicted as murderous, "not-quite-white" low lives.
I can only state that I'm beyond fortunate to have been raised by a family of loving and compassionate people.
They taught me to always try and walk in someone else's shoes.
Donald Trump only wears his own.
Have they forgotten their own history?
I'd suggest a look at an early 20th century newspaper.
Read how these immigrants from the Mezzogiorno were often depicted as murderous, "not-quite-white" low lives.
I can only state that I'm beyond fortunate to have been raised by a family of loving and compassionate people.
They taught me to always try and walk in someone else's shoes.
Donald Trump only wears his own.
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Apparently Mr. Greenblatt and the Anti Defamation League are more concerned with a few right wing nuts than they are about the Democratic left wing that has sided with hate groups in the Mideast that call for the destruction of Israel. On elite campuses all over the United States, anti Israel rhetoric has been "mainstreamed" maybe Greenblatt should focus on that rather than a few nuts who like Donald Trump.
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This article expresses my views well, and although I don't like Trump, I thank him for making my views known.
Identity politics is a terrible thing, but that's the mendacious Hillary's political game - along with promising entitlement after entitlement, to be paid for by "someone" or "something" else, like higher taxes on achievers, more public borrowing, or both.
Identity politics is a terrible thing, but that's the mendacious Hillary's political game - along with promising entitlement after entitlement, to be paid for by "someone" or "something" else, like higher taxes on achievers, more public borrowing, or both.
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There are parts of Miami where no English is spoken. In some places in LA and San Diego English is a foreign language. We don't hate, or not want immigration but we want those immigrants to become Americans and join us, not remain separate from main-stream America. The melting pot is gone and we're becoming balkanized because of political correctness. Multiculturalism is now more important than absorption and Americanization. The separation in the name of multiculturalism divides us. My great grandparents came to America penniless and unable to speak English. But, they wanted, that's the key, wanted to become Americans. So they left the "old world" traditions, history and language behind and became Americans. They wanted to be like all other Americans. Yes, they retained their religious heritage and practices but outside of their church or synagogue they became Americans. And we learned to celebrate together. Now we are at each other's throats.
We have failed to respect each other's heritage and religion. More than "sensing" this we live it daily. Our politicians exacerbate the animosity by proclaiming political correctness. We can no longer criticize each other without being called racist.
Our economy is withering. Our social fabric is torn. Education, jobs, retirement and joining the middle class elude us. Donald tunes into all of this. Hillary tunes us out. I can't stand Donald. I don't trust Hillary. We're lost.
We have failed to respect each other's heritage and religion. More than "sensing" this we live it daily. Our politicians exacerbate the animosity by proclaiming political correctness. We can no longer criticize each other without being called racist.
Our economy is withering. Our social fabric is torn. Education, jobs, retirement and joining the middle class elude us. Donald tunes into all of this. Hillary tunes us out. I can't stand Donald. I don't trust Hillary. We're lost.
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Very insightful comment with many truths about how many Americans are seeing things within their communities. In just one generation, the town I grew up in the Northeast is unrecognizable today. Completely changed in only 40 years time. Also, I for one have had members of my family fight in every war since the Revolution and understand their sacrifices, blood shedding and deaths have given us the country that we know of today. Taking our nation and the many rights we have for granted is disrespectful.
It did not just happen. Perhaps some immigrants should may have remained in their home countries and fought for their nations too. Or study our history.
It did not just happen. Perhaps some immigrants should may have remained in their home countries and fought for their nations too. Or study our history.
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At what point do we discuss Trump's symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder? I don't hate the man, but I do see someone who is desperately in need of therapy to, as he told Megan Kelly, "unwound myself." Narcissists rarely seek therapy, but his family could help him to see the value of DBT which we know works for personality disorders.
All of the identity politics he has helped stir up will not cause me, or people I know, to start identifying as white. Nothing is more personal than one's chosen identity. I identify as a human being with a consciousness. I can't bear the thought of a person with a serious mental illness having the power of the office of POTUS. We all deserve better--Mr. Trump included.
All of the identity politics he has helped stir up will not cause me, or people I know, to start identifying as white. Nothing is more personal than one's chosen identity. I identify as a human being with a consciousness. I can't bear the thought of a person with a serious mental illness having the power of the office of POTUS. We all deserve better--Mr. Trump included.
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And ironically, doesn't Mr. Trump come from Queens, believed to be the most diverse city in the United States?
Or maybe that is the origin of Mr. Trump's "problem" - that problem of his being that diversity cannot and should not be tolerated.
I remember once when I facilitated a diversity class where I worked, I mentioned if you walked on the streets of New York and you carried prejudice against people other than white, you wouldn't like anyone. Well, here we are.
Very sad state of America. How can he call New York his home? The Statue of Liberty is weeping, like pictures of her depict. And we along with her.
Or maybe that is the origin of Mr. Trump's "problem" - that problem of his being that diversity cannot and should not be tolerated.
I remember once when I facilitated a diversity class where I worked, I mentioned if you walked on the streets of New York and you carried prejudice against people other than white, you wouldn't like anyone. Well, here we are.
Very sad state of America. How can he call New York his home? The Statue of Liberty is weeping, like pictures of her depict. And we along with her.
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No black man alive today was brought here in chains. No white man alive today owned a slave. More than 99.99% of whites' ancestors were not slave owners. and they are tired of hearing about how they derived a benefit from slavery. White people are tired of being hated by black people just because they are white.
The Africans sold into slavery were sold by black men, and things haven't gotten much better since then for many Africans who are still dying at the hands of their fellow countrymen.
If Africans were not brought to America, black people currently living in the Unites States would still be in Africa. America is the land of opportunity for people of every race and creed,
Every African-American needs to ask themselves if they would rather be living in America or Africa. If America is the answer, stop dredging up the past and thank God you are here and not in Africa where there is not much opportunity for professionals of any race.
The only thing accomplished by dredging up the past is to keep a wound open that will never close.
The Africans sold into slavery were sold by black men, and things haven't gotten much better since then for many Africans who are still dying at the hands of their fellow countrymen.
If Africans were not brought to America, black people currently living in the Unites States would still be in Africa. America is the land of opportunity for people of every race and creed,
Every African-American needs to ask themselves if they would rather be living in America or Africa. If America is the answer, stop dredging up the past and thank God you are here and not in Africa where there is not much opportunity for professionals of any race.
The only thing accomplished by dredging up the past is to keep a wound open that will never close.
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Don't place the blame on black Africans for slavery, inasmuch as if there weren't a willing and interested buyer, there could be no sale. Charles II of England was one of the authors of the Atlantic Slave Trade. And by the way -- did black Africans come to America or England to get their slave ships, transport them to Africa and then haul the slaves back across the seas, or did the British, American, Portuguese traders go there themselves seeking free labor?
There are many resources in Africa such as diamond mines -- taken over by the Anglo American Corporation, DeBeers Diamond Mines, etc. They use Africans to descend into 120 degree mines to ferret out the diamonds, but they cannot own a single one. There would be much opportunity in Africa, if the whites who rape the soil for numerous resources would share the wealth! And if, as you claim, there is no opportunity there, why did "Great Britain" bother to colonize it. Certain people never go anywhere unless they can see something glittering in the soil.
Inasmuch as this is God's earth and no single group of people own it, nobody has to be grateful for anything, as just as there is inequality, poverty, etc. in Africa, these same circumstances can be found right here in America!
There are many resources in Africa such as diamond mines -- taken over by the Anglo American Corporation, DeBeers Diamond Mines, etc. They use Africans to descend into 120 degree mines to ferret out the diamonds, but they cannot own a single one. There would be much opportunity in Africa, if the whites who rape the soil for numerous resources would share the wealth! And if, as you claim, there is no opportunity there, why did "Great Britain" bother to colonize it. Certain people never go anywhere unless they can see something glittering in the soil.
Inasmuch as this is God's earth and no single group of people own it, nobody has to be grateful for anything, as just as there is inequality, poverty, etc. in Africa, these same circumstances can be found right here in America!
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Keeping that wound open is the bedrock of the race industry in the US. Without long ago slavery and media-driven frenzies over fraudulent stories like Tawana Brawley and Michael Brown, this country be forced to confront the real roots of black underachievement and social dysfunction. Those lie in American black culture, not ancient history or vestiges of white racism. The rest of this country cannot change the of the inner city; that can only come from within.
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I wonder how you would behave or prosper if every time you prospered in your own neighborhood -- such as in Rosewood and Greenwood in Oklahoma -- whites got jealous and razed your homes and businesses to the ground; how motivated you would be. And even so, there are many successful black people living in America today. They are educators, doctors, artists, inventors, Presidents, etc. Even during slavery there were many -- Frederick Douglass, George Washington Carver, Madame C. J. Walker -- whose spirits could not be kept down. So to claim all blacks are poor, is silly. Obviously there are many poor whites, hence the current claims of back-sliding. On whom can poor whites place the blame? On their own greedy 1%.
You know, there was a time of white servitude -- remember the indentured servants? When the powers that be realized black and white slaves alike were planning to unite, they did what they always do -- divided and conquered. They began paying the whites so that they felt no kinship with blacks, and left blacks behind. Please, there is no excuse for this age-old atrocity, and nothing you say can excuse it.
You know, there was a time of white servitude -- remember the indentured servants? When the powers that be realized black and white slaves alike were planning to unite, they did what they always do -- divided and conquered. They began paying the whites so that they felt no kinship with blacks, and left blacks behind. Please, there is no excuse for this age-old atrocity, and nothing you say can excuse it.
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I am tired of having "political correctness" positioned as some kind of challenge to one's right to free speech. This right has rarely been viewed by society as absolute. PC used to be referred to as "common courtesy"- the notion that voicing your innermost thoughts might be bad form if they hurt others' feelings. Or in the words of an elementary school teacher, "your right to swing your arm ends where it meets the other person's nose."
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It took the NYT this long to figure that out? Even the vaunted "founding fathers" had slaves. Hypocrisy about race has existed in this country since day zero.
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I don't think the NYT is ignorant of the history of racism, but many people in this forum are, and they deserve to be educated. But for some, even education leads to denial. Some people simply cannot and will not be helped -- even with facts!
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Donald Trump is the beta version of white/right-appealing candidates in the next few decades. Future candidates will use his 2016 campaign to de-bug the pitch, God help us.
Excellent article that requires one correction: David Duke isn't just a lawmaker turned Anti-Semitic radio host. He is a former KKK Grand Wizard. Why the bizarre omission?
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Hooray for the comments from Trump. He is broaching a subject that needs to be discussed and not pushed under the rug.
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‘Look, we’re the white party,’” Mr. Buchanan said...recalling his attacks on multiculturalism and non-European immigration. “‘If this continues, we’re going the way of the Whigs.’
Amen Pat.
Amen Pat.
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Dear angry, scared, disillusioned Caucasian-Americans: you have been hoodwinked, but not by globalization, immigrants, Muslims, African-Americans, Mexicans, the Obama administration, email servers, etc., etc., etc. You have been taken by people who look just like you, who pretended as though their policies and ideas were for you when they were ever only for themselves. You know the saying, "the rich get richer...". You sense that the things you “deserve” are being taken away from you. It’s just starting to dawn on you that the people in “power”, people who look just like you, don’t give a damn about you and never have. Welcome to the real.
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Yup, if you're afraid of falling behind and want a job with a future blame someone who is worse off and join forces with the 0.01% Trump crowd, suckers. Working class whites have always been suckers and failed to collaborate with any other workers since they were deceived by plantaion owners after Bacon's Rebellion.
History 101: "Bacon (lead) an attack on the elite, their homes, and their property. He openly condemned the rich for their oppression of the poor and inspired an alliance of white and black bond laborers, as well as slaves, who demanded an end to their servitude....Fearful that such measures might not be sufficient to protect their interest, the planter class took an additional precautionary step, a step that would later come to be known as a “racial bribe.” Deliberately and strategically, the planter class extended special privileges to poor whites in an effort to drive a wedge between them and black slaves. White servants were allowed to police slaves through slave patrols and militias, and barriers were created so that free labor would not be in competition with slave labor. These measures effectively eliminated the risk of future alliances between black slaves and poor whites. Poor whites suddenly had a direct, personal stake in the existence of a race-based system of slavery. Their own plight had not improved by much, but at least they were not slaves."
Gullible whites vote to avenge their exploitation by the 0.01% by choosing an exploiter: Trump!
History 101: "Bacon (lead) an attack on the elite, their homes, and their property. He openly condemned the rich for their oppression of the poor and inspired an alliance of white and black bond laborers, as well as slaves, who demanded an end to their servitude....Fearful that such measures might not be sufficient to protect their interest, the planter class took an additional precautionary step, a step that would later come to be known as a “racial bribe.” Deliberately and strategically, the planter class extended special privileges to poor whites in an effort to drive a wedge between them and black slaves. White servants were allowed to police slaves through slave patrols and militias, and barriers were created so that free labor would not be in competition with slave labor. These measures effectively eliminated the risk of future alliances between black slaves and poor whites. Poor whites suddenly had a direct, personal stake in the existence of a race-based system of slavery. Their own plight had not improved by much, but at least they were not slaves."
Gullible whites vote to avenge their exploitation by the 0.01% by choosing an exploiter: Trump!
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Archie and Edith Bunker said it best:
Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.
And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.
Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.
Enough said. Than you.
Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.
And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.
Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.
Enough said. Than you.
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The reason that Bernie Sanders won in places like West Virginia and almost all the counties in upstate NY, is that many people do feel left behind and marginalized. He was an alternative to Trump for these voters, along with appealing to millennials, older liberals like me who just don't trust Clinton, and despite what the media claimed, many minorities groups. He consistently polled higher by many percentage points against Trump than Clinton did. Yet the DNC preordained Clinton as the nominee, super delegates jumped on board before there were even other candidates and the NY Times endorsed her before any primary votes were even cast. You marginalized Sanders before belittling him and his supporters, yet have reported on every sentence of Trump from the moment he declared his candidacy. Other major media outlets were even worse, from CNN to MSNBC to the Washington Post which ran 16 anti-Sanders articles in 24 hours to the head of CBS, who gleefully gloated that it paid to cover Trump because of the ratings.
As I write this comment a pop-up headline is telling me that Clinton and Trump are now tied in the polls. If we end up with a Trump residency, I'm sure paper like the Times will somehow try to blame Sanders the "racism" of Trump supporters, but a good deal of the blame will be on the DNC, the candidate herself, and the media, especially the Times, for influencing rather than just reporting the election news. You reap what you sow.
As I write this comment a pop-up headline is telling me that Clinton and Trump are now tied in the polls. If we end up with a Trump residency, I'm sure paper like the Times will somehow try to blame Sanders the "racism" of Trump supporters, but a good deal of the blame will be on the DNC, the candidate herself, and the media, especially the Times, for influencing rather than just reporting the election news. You reap what you sow.
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White identity.
Is it any more racist than black identity.
White privilege nonsense, white eunichism no longer.
Goodbye Obama
Is it any more racist than black identity.
White privilege nonsense, white eunichism no longer.
Goodbye Obama
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This article is absolutely ridiculous, to even insinuate racism or anti-semitism among whites for being tired of political correctness. Let the rest of the PC world die and stew in their demise! One thing is correct: YES we are tired of it.
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He specifically said many illegals were criminals, crossing the border from Mexico, he never said they were all Mexicans.
And as it turns out, he is correct. Our prison population has a large percentage of illegals, that we feed and house. Perhaps as high as 30% or more. In 2015 over 12,000, or 37% of Federal sentences were handed out to illegals, being sent to Federal prisons.
The US population in '95 was 266 million, in 2015 it was about 319 million. During that same period, the US birthrate was 1.9 to 1.98, below the replacement rate of 2.1. Legal immigration quotas set by Congress would have given us about 20 million new people in 20 years, not 54 million.
Trump is 100% correct, the lack of immigration control and reform is the underlying issue of our economy, healthcare, deficit spending, and now homeland security.
The Democrats, now called "Progressives" want an open border, and a one party system. The Republicans are afraid to lose their jobs. And thus a stalemate.
Meanwhile a population equal to Canada has moved here illegally, the vast majority in the past 10 years. The Dems consistently vote down e-verify for employers, government agencies, and landlords. That would be an electronic wall. It takes Social Security 75-90 to verify a worker. It's a system they don't want to fix. Those payroll taxes for illegals, who will never collect benefits is very desirable.
And when their positions are no longer logical, they call us racists.
And as it turns out, he is correct. Our prison population has a large percentage of illegals, that we feed and house. Perhaps as high as 30% or more. In 2015 over 12,000, or 37% of Federal sentences were handed out to illegals, being sent to Federal prisons.
The US population in '95 was 266 million, in 2015 it was about 319 million. During that same period, the US birthrate was 1.9 to 1.98, below the replacement rate of 2.1. Legal immigration quotas set by Congress would have given us about 20 million new people in 20 years, not 54 million.
Trump is 100% correct, the lack of immigration control and reform is the underlying issue of our economy, healthcare, deficit spending, and now homeland security.
The Democrats, now called "Progressives" want an open border, and a one party system. The Republicans are afraid to lose their jobs. And thus a stalemate.
Meanwhile a population equal to Canada has moved here illegally, the vast majority in the past 10 years. The Dems consistently vote down e-verify for employers, government agencies, and landlords. That would be an electronic wall. It takes Social Security 75-90 to verify a worker. It's a system they don't want to fix. Those payroll taxes for illegals, who will never collect benefits is very desirable.
And when their positions are no longer logical, they call us racists.
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This is a result of decades of liberal establishment rulers automatically branding any arguments contrary to their ideology as "hate". If you don't accord your opponents the respect of taking them seriously they will rebel. Even this article continues the smear by highly profiling white supremacists. Every such ploy is going to get you President Trump. It's not too late to treat your opponents as human.
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The wealthy used the media to project propaganda and divide the nation, got elected, enacted laws and implemented policies which made them ever wealthier at the expense of the middle and working classes.. And Trump supporters blame brown folks for their decline...
The worst part is, if history of past performance is any indicator, the other choice isn't much better.
The worst part is, if history of past performance is any indicator, the other choice isn't much better.
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Whites are not just "sensing" decline, they are strongly experiencing decline. We've had stagnant wages for the last 10 years or longer. Some industries that were formerly bastions of the U.S. economy, like steel and tool and die making, or machine tool manufacturing, are literally dissolved. Entire industries have left the U.S. mostly because of NAFTA that Bill Clinton signed into law. Interest rates are low but seniors, millions of them, have had their income slashed because of that. Our cities are rife with crime. Neighborhoods, once middle class are now gone. A college education is out of reach for many. Our roads, bridges and general infrastructure is in severe decline. Passenger rail travel is decaying. Affordable housing for millions of people is unattainable. Predator lenders destroy lives. Race relations are at their worst since the 1960s. Our military and economic power is waning while a rising China, Russia and now nuclear North Korea threaten peace across the globe.
Those realities are not just sensed. They are broadly felt by millions of American. That is what Donald Trump has tuned into. Hillary cannot be trusted especially after the e-mail fiasco. Her lies were revealed, and her original callous indifference to a call for openness and honesty were ignored. She doesn't get it.
Last year there was no increase in Social Security for millions of retirees. Hillary didn't say a word. We're not just sensing decline it is running over us!
Those realities are not just sensed. They are broadly felt by millions of American. That is what Donald Trump has tuned into. Hillary cannot be trusted especially after the e-mail fiasco. Her lies were revealed, and her original callous indifference to a call for openness and honesty were ignored. She doesn't get it.
Last year there was no increase in Social Security for millions of retirees. Hillary didn't say a word. We're not just sensing decline it is running over us!
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I believe I read that next year SS recipients will get an increase of $2.50/month. At the same time, their monthly Medicare payments will increase by 10% or something (apologize for not having the exact number). I guess that's some of the "change we can believe in."
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If he were to get into office we would all be shooters' targets. WWIII inside the US.
Trump's a fascist.
Always was and always will be. And was I supposed to pave roads and urinate in a portable toilet? Is that what Obama calls a job for a college-educated person? You've got to be kidding. I was laid off in 2008 when the "recession" 1st started and I'm fully enjoying my retirement! The status quo is ridiculous. Now everyone can talk to everyone else! Communication is key!
Always was and always will be. And was I supposed to pave roads and urinate in a portable toilet? Is that what Obama calls a job for a college-educated person? You've got to be kidding. I was laid off in 2008 when the "recession" 1st started and I'm fully enjoying my retirement! The status quo is ridiculous. Now everyone can talk to everyone else! Communication is key!
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Why would anyone vote for the same policies that failed put forth by a billionaire that have failed every time they have been tried I don't Know.
Trump and the Republicans of today are not my idea of conscientious Republicans of the past and that Republican Party initiated the same failed ideas. Vote for Clinton, Stein or write in Bernie Sanders anyone but the crop of bigoted failures the Republican Party has put forth the past 36 years.
Trump and the Republicans of today are not my idea of conscientious Republicans of the past and that Republican Party initiated the same failed ideas. Vote for Clinton, Stein or write in Bernie Sanders anyone but the crop of bigoted failures the Republican Party has put forth the past 36 years.
Trump's rise if the great irony of our time. The troubles facing us revolve around one central theme: economics. Anyone not in the upper echelons of the wealthy are fighting over a smaller and smaller amount of wealth left for the rest of the population. What once was the most powerful class, the middle class, has dwindled. With that loss of power and wealth, the middle class (historically made up of mostly whites) is understandably angry. The baby boomers remember the good old days of the 1950's to the 1980s/1990s.
The question is who to blame: Trump blames minorities and immigrants. The real blame really starts with Reagan and the rich elites the take over the Republican party, made the issues about abortions and guns while very quietly lobbying for massive tax breaks and deficit spending. The Bush administration passed a tax cut that immediately drove our country from a surplus into a deficit. Then, 8 years later, that same party rails against government debt saying entitlements must be reform. Cut taxes on the wealthy and to pay for, punish the poor, the old and the sick.
This is what 36 years of Reaganomics looks like. We had a brief break from it in the 90's but returned to it full throttle during the Bush years (from which came the Great Recession).
The great irony in all this is that extremely wealthy man, Trump, comes along and again used real economic frustration to shift blame from people like him to the poor, the old, the sick and minorities.
The question is who to blame: Trump blames minorities and immigrants. The real blame really starts with Reagan and the rich elites the take over the Republican party, made the issues about abortions and guns while very quietly lobbying for massive tax breaks and deficit spending. The Bush administration passed a tax cut that immediately drove our country from a surplus into a deficit. Then, 8 years later, that same party rails against government debt saying entitlements must be reform. Cut taxes on the wealthy and to pay for, punish the poor, the old and the sick.
This is what 36 years of Reaganomics looks like. We had a brief break from it in the 90's but returned to it full throttle during the Bush years (from which came the Great Recession).
The great irony in all this is that extremely wealthy man, Trump, comes along and again used real economic frustration to shift blame from people like him to the poor, the old, the sick and minorities.
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Drive through Appalachia. It's a big area. Heck, start in New York's southern tier. Factories shuttered because of global trade, local resource development banned or strongly opposed because of urban environmentalism. The result is dead or dying towns, unemployment and ever-diminishing hope. No or just silly solutions from the left. Enter Trump. What, exactly, did the liberal elites expect?
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When multiculturalism leads to the denigration of our basic culture, something has to give. Trump is the only candidate who is willing to celebrate the white culture that made this country great. Of course, the excessively politically correct multiculturalists think that is horribly wrong, if not totally evil or worse.
Celebrating white culture is not necessarily bad. When immigrants first came to this country, they wanted to become part of that culture. Now it seems the other way around. Now, immigrants want to stay by themselves and want white culture to change because they do not want to. The net result is that we have multiple countries within our country and white culture feels under attack, which is probably not far from the truth.
As concerns black culture, we totally mishandled the race question, which we finally started to address substantively in the early 1960s. But we never gave blacks the opportunity to assimilate into white culture, because, at the same time, we opened immigration to multiculturalism. The influx of non-white, non-black cultures made it exceedingly difficult for blacks to assimilate and effectively denied blacks the opportunity to do so on any meaningful scale.
Multiculturalism as we implemented it is a failed experiment. The majority has rights too, not just minorities. Trump is trying to take us back to where we once were, and it seems many of us want that too. Perhaps many more than we might imagine.
Celebrating white culture is not necessarily bad. When immigrants first came to this country, they wanted to become part of that culture. Now it seems the other way around. Now, immigrants want to stay by themselves and want white culture to change because they do not want to. The net result is that we have multiple countries within our country and white culture feels under attack, which is probably not far from the truth.
As concerns black culture, we totally mishandled the race question, which we finally started to address substantively in the early 1960s. But we never gave blacks the opportunity to assimilate into white culture, because, at the same time, we opened immigration to multiculturalism. The influx of non-white, non-black cultures made it exceedingly difficult for blacks to assimilate and effectively denied blacks the opportunity to do so on any meaningful scale.
Multiculturalism as we implemented it is a failed experiment. The majority has rights too, not just minorities. Trump is trying to take us back to where we once were, and it seems many of us want that too. Perhaps many more than we might imagine.
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Apparently identity politics needs only a rallying cry of empty platitudes and divisive rhetoric to harvest anger and fear. Taking the wide view, perhaps this will be seen as the last gasp of those who feel estranged from a changing multicultural landscape ~ the last great White Hope in the ring fighting against the evolving inertia towards a country of equality for all.
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Unfortunately is Trump preaching to people on the lower end of education, those that feel deprived and forgotten. If he tells them he brings coal and manufacturing back, they loudly applause and I am not sure if the hope or really believe this lying fraudster. He is adopting anything and saying anything, embracing racists like Sen. Sessions and riding on KKK and David Duke. If he really becomes President, are the people he is promising anything to get into office not becoming more disenfranchised if coal is not coming back and no wall is build? Is he the one that will calm the masses because after all he is not "so much better", "the best negotiator", that can "bring back" a country with slavery and racism that we better have left behind? Trump is an arsonist, putting fire on every issue that really will not resolve anything. He has no concepts, no knowledge of politics and cannot answer a single issue without grandiose statements that say nothing. The only thing he has is his ego, a sad individual who uses methods to conduct his business of fraud, bankruptcy, lawsuits to rip of people and to make money on the back of others. God help us, if there is one.
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Very good points. But many Trump supporters ARE deprived and forgotten. They're blue collar. They're working class. They've seen their lives and livelihoods erode since 1980. The factories that used to be full of good, stable jobs with benefits are all gone, replaced by service sector jobs with less pay and no benefits, and worse: they are often shut out of those jobs by people with even less education who will work for cheaper than they can afford to.
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And then there are their homes and neighborhoods and towns. Whenever there's a wave of immigration, they're the ones who are expected to push over to make room - in their schools and on their streets.
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When they complain about this, it either falls on deaf ears, or they are accused of xenophobia. Trump is the first candidate who listens and doesn't accuse them. Who says "I get it. We're gonna fix it." He won't say how he'll fix it because he doesn't know how. And he won't do it in the end, because it's a huge task that he's not up to. But none of that matters. He speaks to them and that's all they care about.
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The point I'm trying to make is: we (those of us who don't support Donald Trump) had better open our eyes to the reality here. Trump supporters ARE downtrodden. They DO have valid complaints. Hillary had better open her eyes to it. Or else we could be in for a very rocky four years with Trump in the White House.
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And then there are their homes and neighborhoods and towns. Whenever there's a wave of immigration, they're the ones who are expected to push over to make room - in their schools and on their streets.
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When they complain about this, it either falls on deaf ears, or they are accused of xenophobia. Trump is the first candidate who listens and doesn't accuse them. Who says "I get it. We're gonna fix it." He won't say how he'll fix it because he doesn't know how. And he won't do it in the end, because it's a huge task that he's not up to. But none of that matters. He speaks to them and that's all they care about.
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The point I'm trying to make is: we (those of us who don't support Donald Trump) had better open our eyes to the reality here. Trump supporters ARE downtrodden. They DO have valid complaints. Hillary had better open her eyes to it. Or else we could be in for a very rocky four years with Trump in the White House.
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I just read a comment from a man in Dallas who claims to be middle-class and educated, and that he and his entire family and all of their educated, middle-class (I'm guessing dyed-in-the -wool Republican) friends will be voting for Trump.
They are well-off and believe that Trump and his "business-friendly" policies (more tax cuts, hooray!) will help them remain well off.
Nothing revolutionary or different about that. Sounds like the same old trickle-down economics that the rest of us are suffering from.
Trump won't change a thing about Republican policies. There will still be trade deals and a vastly wealthy one percent. Nothing new at all.
They are well-off and believe that Trump and his "business-friendly" policies (more tax cuts, hooray!) will help them remain well off.
Nothing revolutionary or different about that. Sounds like the same old trickle-down economics that the rest of us are suffering from.
Trump won't change a thing about Republican policies. There will still be trade deals and a vastly wealthy one percent. Nothing new at all.
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The irony of Brexit is that the British empire was built on white Europeans conquering foreign cultures around the world, subjugating them, stealing their wealth, and making them abide by the British system. And now the British complain about foreigners complain about immigrants taking over their country and their jobs.
The irony of Trump is that American power was built on white Europeans conquering the new world, pushing out the indigenous people, subjugating Africans and building American wealth on the backs of slaves, and pushing out the Spanish in the westward push to fulfill "Manifest Destiny." And now the Trumpians complain about immigrants taking over the country and their jobs and no longer being in a position to dominate non-whites.
The irony of Trump is that American power was built on white Europeans conquering the new world, pushing out the indigenous people, subjugating Africans and building American wealth on the backs of slaves, and pushing out the Spanish in the westward push to fulfill "Manifest Destiny." And now the Trumpians complain about immigrants taking over the country and their jobs and no longer being in a position to dominate non-whites.
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Happening: Trump Retweets Two More White Genocide Accounts Back-to-Back http://www.dailystormer.com/happening-trump-retweets-two-more-white-geno...
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"For Whites Sensing Decline..."
Sorry to correct you, Mr. Confessore. It should better reads: " For America sensing decline... "
But what else can one expect from the NYT? The title of this article has no neutral intention to inform, but to again discredit and distort Trump´s message.
Does the NYT really want to convince the readers how bad Mr. Trump is? It seems, It is just delivering - among others apparently not subject of the discussion (economy, US foreign policy, etc.) - the very reasons why Trump is the man the US needs right now to recover from the last 8 years.
Bad intentions, good result. Thank you so much!
Sorry to correct you, Mr. Confessore. It should better reads: " For America sensing decline... "
But what else can one expect from the NYT? The title of this article has no neutral intention to inform, but to again discredit and distort Trump´s message.
Does the NYT really want to convince the readers how bad Mr. Trump is? It seems, It is just delivering - among others apparently not subject of the discussion (economy, US foreign policy, etc.) - the very reasons why Trump is the man the US needs right now to recover from the last 8 years.
Bad intentions, good result. Thank you so much!
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I won't vote for Trump, but my problem is the bias in the NYT and so I don't know what else is reported to give a false? impression.
On Hannity (on Fox) Trump discussed these racist groups, with words to the effect (this was at the time of the incident):
"I disavow them. Disavow, disavow, utterly
utterly. Completely. Repudiate. David Duke. All those groups. Probably twenty times. .NYT keeps saying I didn't."
"Ronald Reagan had that problem too, correct."
"Oh yeah, he disavowed, disavowed, repudiated, condemned. NYT kept saying he didn't."
This at least sounds stronger that the mild two repudiations you report. Not a Trump voter, just don't like disinformation.
On Hannity (on Fox) Trump discussed these racist groups, with words to the effect (this was at the time of the incident):
"I disavow them. Disavow, disavow, utterly
utterly. Completely. Repudiate. David Duke. All those groups. Probably twenty times. .NYT keeps saying I didn't."
"Ronald Reagan had that problem too, correct."
"Oh yeah, he disavowed, disavowed, repudiated, condemned. NYT kept saying he didn't."
This at least sounds stronger that the mild two repudiations you report. Not a Trump voter, just don't like disinformation.
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Republicans want to blame "others" for their problems and poor life choices. Instead of whining and being ugly they should get off their butts and better themselves. Stop watching reality tv and read a book. Go to college or a trade school. Volunteer in your community. Do something other than hate and complain.
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I understand the haters of Hillary. There's plenty to dislike and it's been amplified for decades by rabid right wing talking heads. What I don't get is support for Trump and how reasonable people can see an equivalence between the money grubbing actions of the Clintons and the explicit thievery of Trump, how they see an equivalence between an imperfect woman who has spent her life working to help others (and herself along the way) and a man who has only worked on behalf of himself (and made a lot of noise with little real accomplishment).
I don't understand how any true American can support a man who is the embodiment of the values we fought against in both the American Revolution and the Civil War. American flags waved on behalf of Trump are not ironic, they are offensive.
Hopefully Trump will be defeated in a landslide and his supporters will return to common sense and shared American values.
I don't understand how any true American can support a man who is the embodiment of the values we fought against in both the American Revolution and the Civil War. American flags waved on behalf of Trump are not ironic, they are offensive.
Hopefully Trump will be defeated in a landslide and his supporters will return to common sense and shared American values.
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If the downward flow of history is toward annihilation, then there are going to be, from time to time, those who refuse to be swept away and will fight against the current for the simple reason that it is right and necessary. It is character, rather than passive acquiescence to a globalist homogenized tyranny. Hitler fought the same fight, caught between the corrupt Weimar capitalism that led to hyperinflation on one side, and the atheistic Bolshevist Communists on the other. That's the reason he's the perpetual archetype for evil whenever the entertainment media needs a villain, he dared to stand up to the globalists of his day in an effort to preserve white, Western culture. So those same forces are once again terrified of seeing the rise of a man against time. So they vilify him, use their media lackeys to discredit, champion Hillary Clinton as she's so deep in their pockets it's a wonder she can breathe. The choice is clear, do we continue toward the destruction of Western civilization, abandoning it and ourselves to the thrall of a New World Order that leaves too many behind for the benefit of the 1%, or do we say "enough," as the British did with their Brexit and take a stand? Our choice.
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Of the by-products of this nightmare, chanting is the most terrifying. Chanting evokes the mob; blind allegiance; hatred; racism; wild-eyed nationalism....
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Trump's speech can not be accepted in times like these, every day we need to share our moments, things, espace etc with other people, this kind of presentation just works to put a person against other, to make us more individulistic etc.
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Hillary Clinton blatantly panders to the black community, which is why she was able to defeat Bernie Sanders.
If anyone is guilty of race baiting, it is Hillary Clinton.
What is amazing is that, clearly, the black community has suffered under the Bill Clinton drug and policing decisions, but yet they reward Hillary with their support.
If anyone is guilty of race baiting, it is Hillary Clinton.
What is amazing is that, clearly, the black community has suffered under the Bill Clinton drug and policing decisions, but yet they reward Hillary with their support.
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Us white folks would do well to contemplate the full measure of what it means to be a minority in America should the status quo of making race and racial grievance the center piece of our national conversation. The sooner white privilege is banished and we return to time-honored principles of American egalitarianism, the less likely the "decline" some whites fear will materialize. Political correctness that prevents honest dialogue and papers over distinctions is wrong. But voluntary restraint in speech in the name of civility is not. And finally, pride in one's race is as vapid as pride in one's hair color or height. Get. Over. It.
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I agree that Trump's exploitation of Anglo or Caucasian fears is not good for our nation. America was designed to be inclusive and accept people from around the world who would agree to be subject to the laws of our nation. America has always been an experiment; and now that experiment is failing on economic, social, and political levels. However before we become completely indignant and close our mind off to the root issues we will never rid ourselves of this socio-political nightmare. The economic divide is now atrocious and has impacted all racial demographics at the working & middle class level. This has spawned a significant backlash & opened the gates of the blame game. Furthermore, where has the massive wealth of America been invested over the past 50 years? Look at where the blighted neighborhoods are and take a good look at our infrastructure. Then go back and ask yourself what is the connection between the rise of business hawk Donald Trump and Citizens United?. What is the connection between his effective demagoguery and a global but also national economy that has failed millions upon millions of Americans. Regarding this economic quagmire, look closely at how much wealth has been looted in the name of "The War on Terror" ... People we are being hoodwinked and turned against each other. But somewhere in our collective consciousness we know the enemy or problem relates to something fundamentally disturbing.
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Talk about a strawman! An article full of trigger phrases about how "they" want America to stay "white" and will do anything to keep it white, as if Trump or Hillary are at the precipice of America's race relations and choose one or the other leads us to blissful racial equality or all out apartheid. Overly simplistic and silly.
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This article was written by someone who doesn't have any first-hand knowledge of the Americans he writes about. Sadly, all the mass media lives in their own bubble. I say sadly, for you, that you live in fear of The Great Unwashed in Fly-over Country. Americans are nice people; you have nothing to worry about.
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would the NYT ever write such a column/headline regarding BLM or Muslim clerics use of 'charged language'? um, nope.
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I just find it sickening that in a democratic free country like ours, you have to be afraid or embarrassed to support a candidate. It is not right to call someone a bigot because they are republican or threaten them financially if they are well off. We should respect the opinions of others even if it is not popular. Our society can only benefit from a multitude of voices being heard. If we silence others because we disagree with them, we are no better than the dictators of the past.
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The real reason for the rise of fascism can be traced to the economic fortunes of the workers. The Greman economy, saddled with reparation payments that were put on the government after World War I led to the rise of Hitler to power.
Today, free trade agreements and automation are taking a real economic toll on workers whose professions are being impacted by these trends. These people are lashing out but unfortunately their anger is being manifested at immigrants who will gladly work for lower wages.
The established politicians in power are afraid to level with the American people about a future of diminishing jobs. They have neglected to address this problem by increasing the social safety net benefits, and providing long term job loss insurance (unemployment insurance) to those being impacted. So a worker looses his/her good paying job, gets 6 months unemployment insurance and then can't find a job that pays what the old one pays. They still have mortgages, kids needing to go to college, etc but all of a sudden their world as they knew it has collapsed. Of course they are angry. And they have a right to be angry but it should be at Washington not immigrants. The old style politicians are are going to be the next to lose their jobs unless they stop the economic bleeding and stop giving tax breaks to corporations and instead tax them and redistribute this money to the workers who need it.
Today, free trade agreements and automation are taking a real economic toll on workers whose professions are being impacted by these trends. These people are lashing out but unfortunately their anger is being manifested at immigrants who will gladly work for lower wages.
The established politicians in power are afraid to level with the American people about a future of diminishing jobs. They have neglected to address this problem by increasing the social safety net benefits, and providing long term job loss insurance (unemployment insurance) to those being impacted. So a worker looses his/her good paying job, gets 6 months unemployment insurance and then can't find a job that pays what the old one pays. They still have mortgages, kids needing to go to college, etc but all of a sudden their world as they knew it has collapsed. Of course they are angry. And they have a right to be angry but it should be at Washington not immigrants. The old style politicians are are going to be the next to lose their jobs unless they stop the economic bleeding and stop giving tax breaks to corporations and instead tax them and redistribute this money to the workers who need it.
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When workers have a problem getting a decent job or any job they have a right to be angry. Then politicians and corporate elite bring in cheaper labor whether it be H1B visa holders or illegal immigrants to take available jobs and force others out of work. It's not just white Americans who are being hurt but all citizens who have had stagnant wages for the last 10 years and who have lost their jobs. Remember there are 94,000,000 Americans out of the work force and many others who work part time jobs with no benefits. The policies of the last 20 years with open borders, poor trade policies and even the ACA have lead to job losses and part time workers. Shouldn't we have policies favoring US citizens? If people didn't feel so insecure about their lives and prospects they probably would get along much better. Instead of divisive articles about Trump why don't you focus on real strategies to help the common man? The media and politicians should stop trying to stir up racial divisions. Trump says he will focus on making America great again. That is a powerful message to many citizens with little hope for their future. They have seen Hillary the last 20 years and are concerned about her personal enrichment and flippant attitude about even releasing her speech transcripts. Think about it. Many people live on $10/hour and she gets over 200,000 for a 30 minute speech. How can anyone believe that won't influence her policy decisions?
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I continue to be amazed by the insane anti-white racism spewing from so many major news outlets. The mask of "impartial reporting" is pushed aside and the naked bias is revealed.
Trump has forced so much into the open.
Trump has forced so much into the open.
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Yesterdays NYT had an op-ed piece admonishing Sanders supporters to "grow up" and support HRC. Now this article characterizing all Trump supporters as white bigots. What is the grip that HRC holds on the NYT? Get back to some objective reporting please.
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The trump phenomenon is a logical consequence of ignoring the fact that most economic inequality in the last 30 years has expanded within racial groups, not between them.
Go to any university website and look for a "class studies" program. There aren't any.
The anger may be misdirected, but when the economic plight of 150 million people takes a backseat to the number of African Americans at Yale, we've stopped caring about actual inequality.
Go to any university website and look for a "class studies" program. There aren't any.
The anger may be misdirected, but when the economic plight of 150 million people takes a backseat to the number of African Americans at Yale, we've stopped caring about actual inequality.
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Nasty racist utterances are no different than heated spousal disputes. Angry, passionate people tend to hit below the belt.
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appealing to the reptilian part of the brain is working for donald - for how long?
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A poll asking people whether race relations are getting better or worse is bound to produce a confusing result, because some respondents seemingly consider race relations to be good when people of color are seen but not heard. So that protests to try to redress injustice are for them a sign that race relations are deteriorating. The response to this question depends on what idea of justice and fairness the respondent has. The question also can be interpreted as a chance to pin yet another 'failure' on the country's first black president.
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Why does Trump have "fans" and everyone else has "supporters"?
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I see the NYT has stooped to yellow race-baiting opinion pieces masquerading as journalism to sell newspapers, and many of it's readers are falling into lockstep with its sgenda as evident by so many of the comments here. I made the right decision by cancelling a couple weeks ago.
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The man who defrauds ordinary people, strong arms and doesn't pay hard working contractors, shifts his debts onto shareholders, makes bad business decisions, bankrupts casinos and has never held political office in his life is going to make America great again, whatever that means (racist dog whistle anyone?). What it means is that Trump gets to be the center of attention, and for Trump that is what a great America looks like. Him at the center saying whatever pops into his head, the rest of us kowtowing before his monumental idiocy.
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The Headline ought to read: "For White Males Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Offers Words of Resistance."
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I was born in the late 50's and grew up in DC in middle class neighborhood which we were chased out of during the riots in the 60's. Both parents and both kids worked to support the household. I received very good grades in high school but watched in confusion when my minority friends were admitted to colleges with far worse grades and test scores and I was turned down. My confusion continued in the workforce when I was passed over multiple times in favor of minorities with far less qualifications. After I was finally in a position to hire and promote employees I was instructed to hire the most qualified people but favor the minorities and always maintain a quota. I could never including today hire the most qualified people yet I was responsible and held accountable for the results. This process has been going on for over 40 years. The thought that our country could balance the scales by favoring minority classes for this period was ill conceived. Whites are not sensing decline today. That happened far too many years ago. So what's the new strategy? Do this for twenty more years and favor the whites when they become the minority?
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Unfortunately the writer of the article needs to see the deeper issue-it is not a simple choice between picking ones poison between the black brown Islamic elixir of multiculturism distinct from the poison of all white European Nazism but what type of system of government can evolve in a world without borders or are borders preferable. Thomas Hobbes endures as the country reeks of insecurity in defining for itself a purpose between forging a national identity or a place to be exploited by newcomers who may not wish to assimilate.
It is a fear and a reaction to demagogic change and its future is the real issue permeating global politics.
Donald Trump's straight talk highlights this tension as does Clinton's and Sander's.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The choice will be made between multiculturism and Americanism as the great experiment continues.
It is a fear and a reaction to demagogic change and its future is the real issue permeating global politics.
Donald Trump's straight talk highlights this tension as does Clinton's and Sander's.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The choice will be made between multiculturism and Americanism as the great experiment continues.
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The NYT has to learn not every disagreement in regarding race, crime and so forth is not necessarily rooted in bigotry and racism. There are legitimate concerns about the future, their future, as a big unknown, sensing it will be not for the better.
It would be a disservice to label all those people with negative comments if they don t conform to political correctness 100%.
It would be a disservice to label all those people with negative comments if they don t conform to political correctness 100%.
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I understand the anger whites feel here in the US and in England when they see their jobs outsourced and taken away by immigrants, legal and illegal, who lower wages right in their own home. What I do not understand is why Trump? He is the status quo in every way. He represents everything that has contributed to white unemployment, and even black unemployment. Why is it they cannot see that Trump is pandering and lying to them to get their vote to satisfy his own ego to become president of the United States? And even when someone points out this fact, they refuse to understand they are being lied to. This is what always happens with Republicans. They always vote for those who lie to them against their best interests. The worst part of this election year is that Hillary is also only interested in becoming the first woman president. But at least she is not lying that she is not the status quo.
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Race-based "affirmative action" is a thin disguise for racial quotas.
That is racial discrimination.
It strives to insure that the the racial composition of every aspect of society,
from colleges to employment, "reflects" -- i.e. matches --
the racial composition of the general population.
It actively encourages decisions by government and institutional organizations,
including colleges and employers, when weighing the qualifications of candidates for college and employment, to give a boost -- i.e. to put the thumb on the scales -- for those whose race is "underrepresented" as compared with the general population.
Most whites know they do not get the boost.
Most whites know that blacks and Latinos get the boost.
Most whites resent that.
That resentment is not white racism.
On the contrary, "affirmative action" is anti-white racism:
a very thin disguise for anti-white raced-based decision making,
and it is practiced by the government and institutions.
That is racial discrimination.
It strives to insure that the the racial composition of every aspect of society,
from colleges to employment, "reflects" -- i.e. matches --
the racial composition of the general population.
It actively encourages decisions by government and institutional organizations,
including colleges and employers, when weighing the qualifications of candidates for college and employment, to give a boost -- i.e. to put the thumb on the scales -- for those whose race is "underrepresented" as compared with the general population.
Most whites know they do not get the boost.
Most whites know that blacks and Latinos get the boost.
Most whites resent that.
That resentment is not white racism.
On the contrary, "affirmative action" is anti-white racism:
a very thin disguise for anti-white raced-based decision making,
and it is practiced by the government and institutions.
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Can you "Whites sensing decline" point to things Trump has done or said to help you before he started campaigning?
No? So, why do you expect that he would do anything to help you as President?
Even during this campaign he has committed to policies that would hurt you. Look at the "tax reform" provisions of Republican Party platform he just approved. It eliminates estate taxes, which applies only to 5,300 of the richest families in the U.S. It eliminates gift taxes, so rich people can transfer money while alive without taxation. It cuts the capital gains tax in half - 70% of capital gains go to the top 1%. It reduces corporate taxes by 1/3 - who do you think is going to make that up? You are because the plan creates a federal sales tax and, unlike the top 1%, you will be taxed on most of your earnings because you spend it on goods and services. The Ryan/Trump plan would add $2.4 trillion dollars to our national debt.
So, Trump and the Republican Party are saying they are going to help the struggling middle class families, but the plan they recently published does just the opposite. So, who are you going to believe, Trump our your own lying eyes?
The Republican Party has done this to you for years - talk big about your issues but only deliver money to the top 1%. So, you defeated their candidates by selecting Trump. But, isn't he doing the same thing? All he cares about is building his brand so he can lease his name on more towers. How does that help you?
No? So, why do you expect that he would do anything to help you as President?
Even during this campaign he has committed to policies that would hurt you. Look at the "tax reform" provisions of Republican Party platform he just approved. It eliminates estate taxes, which applies only to 5,300 of the richest families in the U.S. It eliminates gift taxes, so rich people can transfer money while alive without taxation. It cuts the capital gains tax in half - 70% of capital gains go to the top 1%. It reduces corporate taxes by 1/3 - who do you think is going to make that up? You are because the plan creates a federal sales tax and, unlike the top 1%, you will be taxed on most of your earnings because you spend it on goods and services. The Ryan/Trump plan would add $2.4 trillion dollars to our national debt.
So, Trump and the Republican Party are saying they are going to help the struggling middle class families, but the plan they recently published does just the opposite. So, who are you going to believe, Trump our your own lying eyes?
The Republican Party has done this to you for years - talk big about your issues but only deliver money to the top 1%. So, you defeated their candidates by selecting Trump. But, isn't he doing the same thing? All he cares about is building his brand so he can lease his name on more towers. How does that help you?
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"Whites Sensing Decline" A derogatory comment right in the title. This is article ia a thousand mean spiritied smears against whites. If this were written about any other race, eligion or ethnicity, the liberals would call it bigoted, offensive and would ban it from publication. The tyranny of liberalism dominates our media.
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I support Trump because his name is NOT Clinton. The Clinton's and Monica turned the White House into a Frat House during their first reign in the 90's. It is simply unconscionable to think the Clinton's and their massive stacks of baggage and backroom dealings and outright lies would move BACK into the White House.
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Good article. Fair article.
Those assailing it confirm it's content in almost every
instance.
It's as if they're effectively saying, "Yes, I am a bigot; how dare you call me a bigot."
God bless Justice Ginsburg and all like her who realize that not speaking out emphatically and unequivocally against evil is the sure and easy way for evil to prevail.
And trumpism is evil. And whatever legitimate grievances it's supporters may have, their support of trumpism is illegitmate and, yes, evil.
They've got no right in other words.
So, yes, good decent people of conscience have to speak up.
And trumpism and it's supporters have to be defeated, emphatically and unequivocally.
Those assailing it confirm it's content in almost every
instance.
It's as if they're effectively saying, "Yes, I am a bigot; how dare you call me a bigot."
God bless Justice Ginsburg and all like her who realize that not speaking out emphatically and unequivocally against evil is the sure and easy way for evil to prevail.
And trumpism is evil. And whatever legitimate grievances it's supporters may have, their support of trumpism is illegitmate and, yes, evil.
They've got no right in other words.
So, yes, good decent people of conscience have to speak up.
And trumpism and it's supporters have to be defeated, emphatically and unequivocally.
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I quote " We need smart, well-educated white people who will assimilate to our culture". I can just see long queues of skilled educated intelligent people signing up to join their redneck good-ole-boy culture, which prizes mediocrity, stupidity and regards educated people as wimpy, liberal effete elitists. How dumb do you have to be to think the smart and educated will ever be attracted to the trashy, the bigoted and the ignorant.
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The article is very important. It raises moral issues to which the nation's religious denominations and leaders need to speak. It raises USA values issues to which the nation's civic institutions and political leaders need to speak.
As for the last young man described in the article, I have no idea whether or not he happens to be Jewish, and it really doesn't matter, but if he thinks that there are not significant numbers of anti-Semites in the nation, his naïveté is exceeded only by his lack of a thoughtful education.
As for the last young man described in the article, I have no idea whether or not he happens to be Jewish, and it really doesn't matter, but if he thinks that there are not significant numbers of anti-Semites in the nation, his naïveté is exceeded only by his lack of a thoughtful education.
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The United States of America was formed by people agreeing to live together bound by the Constitution of the United States. Although it is not explicitly stated in the constitution there appears to be an implicit agreement made between the government and the governed; the implicit agreement being that disputes between citizens would be settled in courts of law rather than by physical strength and guns.
Most people do not realize the depth of the crises we face as a nation and as a people called Americans. The FBI needs to publicize true, timely, unaltered and unbiased statistics on crime by ethnicity and true timely statistics on deaths caused by police action. With this knowledge we as a NATION can address what we need to do as a NATION to solve the problem of gun violence.
The answer does not lie in violence against police, the answer does not lie in more violence against innocent fellow citizens, AND CERTAINLY the answer does not lie in political posturing and sensationalistic headlines of the "free press" as The New York Times has done today.
WE WILL SURVIVE THIS MOMENT. BUT, will we survive as 'one nation' or will we survive this moment as a nation divided? That is the absolute central question we must ask ourselves - because most of us are sentinent beings -
at least the last time I looked up from this magic device (1) I have in my hands we were sentinent beings.
(1) a device created in this fantastically great nation by a multitude of ethnicities.
Most people do not realize the depth of the crises we face as a nation and as a people called Americans. The FBI needs to publicize true, timely, unaltered and unbiased statistics on crime by ethnicity and true timely statistics on deaths caused by police action. With this knowledge we as a NATION can address what we need to do as a NATION to solve the problem of gun violence.
The answer does not lie in violence against police, the answer does not lie in more violence against innocent fellow citizens, AND CERTAINLY the answer does not lie in political posturing and sensationalistic headlines of the "free press" as The New York Times has done today.
WE WILL SURVIVE THIS MOMENT. BUT, will we survive as 'one nation' or will we survive this moment as a nation divided? That is the absolute central question we must ask ourselves - because most of us are sentinent beings -
at least the last time I looked up from this magic device (1) I have in my hands we were sentinent beings.
(1) a device created in this fantastically great nation by a multitude of ethnicities.
This did not start with Trump. It started with Reagan when he decided to run against the government elected by all the people of the US rather than one just controlled by the GOP. The GOP's gerrymandered control of Congress gave them hope of destroying all that they hated about the federal government. Then came their smack up the back of the head; the American public preferred an intelligent and thoughtful black man to them. That's when this out of the closet hatred really came to the foreground. Never before was I sent such racially based cartoons and ignorant hate propaganda, much of it based on the ignorance of Faux news and Rush Limbaugh, and GOP commentators in the press, as well as directly from the GOP in Congress, starting with that mitch, McConnell. And it grows yet. Trump is as much a product of that ignorance as he is a purveyor of it. I also continue to blame the press for promoting Trump because he sells for them ...and you know you do!
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Immigrant culture is same all over the the world. It is independent of skin Color,caste or religion. In India, we have many states where people of other states have prospered than the locals. An immigrant has to educate hard, work hard to be one upon the locals. An average American white had to suddenly face the onslaught of immigrants from all over the world for decades with various skills and hard work just could not cope with it. This is where presidential candidates like Mr. Trump tries to take advantage. You can not blame him. At the end of the day, Darwinian theory of "Survival of the fittest" will hold good.
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Amazing story. However I haven't seen one on what president Obama words do to instill hate. Hmmm.
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Statistics and demographics count for little with the masses of ordinary humans. When it comes to crime, for instance, the notoriety of a few can create a common perception unrelated to the behaviour of the many.
Just as Ted Bundy helped to tarnish the reputation of every psychopath who has ever lived, despite the fact that at least 1% of human males are psychopaths and most are not murderers let alone serial killers, a handful of well-publicised crimes will have a similar effect on the reputation of ethnic or politico-religious groups.
Along with this, we have the millennia old human desire to congregate in extended families, clans and tribes. If the Amish, for example, want to shun Amish who have transgressed the Amish moral code, or want to exclude non-Amish from their communities, is this not understandable?
Likewise, it is understandable that the descendants of white, Protestant, Northern Europeans living, working, paying their taxes and voting in the USA, might want to limit other cultural groups who seek to join their communities.
Of course, when everyone is doing well, we tend to overlook cultural differences. Nevertheless, when things are not going so well for most (but are for the 1%, 0.1%, 0.001% etc), our natural resentment, suspicion and envy of others that are the hallmarks of our human nature, bubble to the surface and spread, coating all things with rancour.
Just as Ted Bundy helped to tarnish the reputation of every psychopath who has ever lived, despite the fact that at least 1% of human males are psychopaths and most are not murderers let alone serial killers, a handful of well-publicised crimes will have a similar effect on the reputation of ethnic or politico-religious groups.
Along with this, we have the millennia old human desire to congregate in extended families, clans and tribes. If the Amish, for example, want to shun Amish who have transgressed the Amish moral code, or want to exclude non-Amish from their communities, is this not understandable?
Likewise, it is understandable that the descendants of white, Protestant, Northern Europeans living, working, paying their taxes and voting in the USA, might want to limit other cultural groups who seek to join their communities.
Of course, when everyone is doing well, we tend to overlook cultural differences. Nevertheless, when things are not going so well for most (but are for the 1%, 0.1%, 0.001% etc), our natural resentment, suspicion and envy of others that are the hallmarks of our human nature, bubble to the surface and spread, coating all things with rancour.
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We have declared war on the poor. We imprison them. We have destroyed their health with cheap worthless food. They suffer under poverty. And now we are surprised when they are angry and are fighting back.
It is "let them eat cake" all over again..... Perhaps the results will be the same, if so we really do deserve it.
It is "let them eat cake" all over again..... Perhaps the results will be the same, if so we really do deserve it.
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It is hardly the poor, the disproportinately imprisoned and those suffering from malnutrition or substandard healthcare that are fighting back by supporting Trump. You have your demographics all mixed up.
President Bush said it succinctly, we judge other groups by their worst examples and we judge ourselves by our best intentions, I couldn't agree more.
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The, you should pardon the expression, root of the problem is that the current President once said there was only a red, white, and blue America. And then, as President, he proceeded to try and make it into more of a soviet styled union.
All while lining the pockets of his cronies (see also foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State. And her use of a secret, private e-mail server for ALL communications, including those with the White House.)
And then the President lambasted the police, while often rushing to judgement on tragic interactions between police and black citizens.
All while supporting his crony, Rahm Emanuel as Chicago Mayor. A city where for many years, and by the thousands, blacks have been gunning down other blacks with illegal guns.
Just a couple of Chicago pols.
And what is a significant portion of the public saying?
Please, ingrained structural racism, or condescending, limousine liberal racism, no more Chicago pols.
http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
All while lining the pockets of his cronies (see also foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State. And her use of a secret, private e-mail server for ALL communications, including those with the White House.)
And then the President lambasted the police, while often rushing to judgement on tragic interactions between police and black citizens.
All while supporting his crony, Rahm Emanuel as Chicago Mayor. A city where for many years, and by the thousands, blacks have been gunning down other blacks with illegal guns.
Just a couple of Chicago pols.
And what is a significant portion of the public saying?
Please, ingrained structural racism, or condescending, limousine liberal racism, no more Chicago pols.
http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
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It's pretty frightening to read some of these comments - the "whities", the racism, the ugliness of non-thinking , ignorant ideas floated in the air by the
most repulsive, ghastly candidate for president this country has ever seen.
He represents the fears of our founders - that a so-called leader, king, tyrant
might stimulate a mob mentality in this country and destroy our democracy.
We are headed in that direction with the current popularity of this misfit. The
anti-intellectualism, the stupidity of ideas that stem from sheer ignorance, are
out there now - be fearful America, be wary of the snake salesman in our midst.
most repulsive, ghastly candidate for president this country has ever seen.
He represents the fears of our founders - that a so-called leader, king, tyrant
might stimulate a mob mentality in this country and destroy our democracy.
We are headed in that direction with the current popularity of this misfit. The
anti-intellectualism, the stupidity of ideas that stem from sheer ignorance, are
out there now - be fearful America, be wary of the snake salesman in our midst.
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I love reading the "how it happened" articles in the NYT. This one has the same sort of fear the BREXIT one did. The best part is how it's always looking to divide and place blame. This time it's those white males. However, I think I will go with the urban liberal media this time around. Publications such as the NYT, WP, etc all would love for you to believe that the views of these national papers and news sites are the views of Ameirca. The reality is that the editors and authors for these publication sit in NY, Boston and DC, detached from the rest of America, but write as though they are the thoughts of the masses. What the last couple months have told you is that your out of touch with America and its masses. Moving closer to irrelevance every day. Digital subs grow, but paper and ad revenue decline... Is the editorial boards view that leaning further left is the way to save the business?
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Oh for crying out loud. I guess the Times was slipping a bit with the racist finger wagging at whitey, so they had to bust out all the stops to get back on point.
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Racism against white people has become not only tolerated, but celebrated on the left over the last several decades. Is it any wonder that there's backlash against it? No, it's not "whites sensing decline". It's people tired of being called historical villains for things done by people in the past who happen to share the same skin color.
It's the illiberal left who has given Trump the power he has, and articles like this continue to increase his chances of winning, to the detriment of us all.
What we really need is for liberals to retake the left and get rid of nonsense like political correctness and third-wave feminism (or what is called on the internet the attitudes of Social Justice Warriors - people abusing the concept of social justice to get away with acting horribly).
It's the illiberal left who has given Trump the power he has, and articles like this continue to increase his chances of winning, to the detriment of us all.
What we really need is for liberals to retake the left and get rid of nonsense like political correctness and third-wave feminism (or what is called on the internet the attitudes of Social Justice Warriors - people abusing the concept of social justice to get away with acting horribly).
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I'm not a Racist, I'm a White Realist. It's bad when you even have to lie to yourself. Pathetic.
As a white person, my education about race in America came from watching the response predominantly-white so-called "conservatives" to the election of our first African American President. In spite of the fact that he is decidedly centrist in his views and inclinations, and seeks common ground almost to a fault, the GOP reacted as if he was a black Mao Zedong, standing by as the racist who would become their Presidential nominee demanded he produce his birth papers and questioned how he could have attended to Ivy League schools. What must it be like to be black in this country and see someone like Donald Trump considered as being as viable for the Presidency as a man of Barack Obama's intelligence and character? it sends the message that no matter how able and accomplished you are, if you're black, you're in for a tough time.
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This piece by By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE is overly complicated and essentially an attack ad.
Highly unlikely Trump is anti-semeitic or a white supremacist. I doubt you survive as a businessman in Manhattan with those types of views. Especially on the level that he operates.
We need to be realistic about corporate tax rates. They need to come down to levels that are globally competitive. Like between 15 and 20 percent. We are taxing big corporations out of existence and they are simply moving their headquarters to a country that provides a comparative advantage. Simple economics. We could change that tomorrow and we should just bite that bullet and do it now. The unions didn't price themselves out of the market the U.S. government did.
Whites are not sensing decline... Americans are! Simple as that. We expect our government to defend the American worker yet they incentivize the flight of capital and the outsourcing of jobs critical to maintaining our standards of living and with that the American dream. Which is not to get rich but to provide a better future. If you get rich along the way thats great.
911 changed everything. We have to control our borders. It is not a sin. Unfortunately this affects illegals disproportionately. But there are more billionaires in Mexico than any other country on the planet yet the disparity between rich and poor is abject.
While globalization is portrayed as raising us all up its effect is to bring us down to someone else's level.
Highly unlikely Trump is anti-semeitic or a white supremacist. I doubt you survive as a businessman in Manhattan with those types of views. Especially on the level that he operates.
We need to be realistic about corporate tax rates. They need to come down to levels that are globally competitive. Like between 15 and 20 percent. We are taxing big corporations out of existence and they are simply moving their headquarters to a country that provides a comparative advantage. Simple economics. We could change that tomorrow and we should just bite that bullet and do it now. The unions didn't price themselves out of the market the U.S. government did.
Whites are not sensing decline... Americans are! Simple as that. We expect our government to defend the American worker yet they incentivize the flight of capital and the outsourcing of jobs critical to maintaining our standards of living and with that the American dream. Which is not to get rich but to provide a better future. If you get rich along the way thats great.
911 changed everything. We have to control our borders. It is not a sin. Unfortunately this affects illegals disproportionately. But there are more billionaires in Mexico than any other country on the planet yet the disparity between rich and poor is abject.
While globalization is portrayed as raising us all up its effect is to bring us down to someone else's level.
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Blaming minorities for corporations arbitrarily doing whatever they want regardless of the cost to you is a way of thinking where the dots do not connect.
Layoffs come and recessions hit when sharpies on Wall Street move their money around and the sector you work in falls out of favor. Or is offshored and you are no longer needed. Or you are replaced with a machine. Recessions follow market exuberance. They certainly follow bubbles.
How are the effects of rich people gambling on Wall Street and corporations ruling the world the fault of minority individuals struggling like you to survive in a world owned and run by and for a miniscule number of extremely wealthy individuals?
Layoffs come and recessions hit when sharpies on Wall Street move their money around and the sector you work in falls out of favor. Or is offshored and you are no longer needed. Or you are replaced with a machine. Recessions follow market exuberance. They certainly follow bubbles.
How are the effects of rich people gambling on Wall Street and corporations ruling the world the fault of minority individuals struggling like you to survive in a world owned and run by and for a miniscule number of extremely wealthy individuals?
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About those supporting Donald Trump they simply confirm a profile of a 'white" supremacy, "white" preservation, "white" rights and a White Lives Matter movement. Living in a country where minority groups have a LOUD voice and HUGE self -preserve movements, Trump simply represent that "white voice" of the nostalgic "better times" for the Trump whites in the US. Yes, Trump's whites are becoming a "minority" and they don't like the feeling of what is to compete with non-whites. The incredible piece within this equation is that the white diminishing demographic numbers are simply unstoppable and because of that sometimes the Trump movement seems to reflect and promote an apartheid society in our AMERICA, where "AMERIKANERS" are trying to fight the reality of the new America, where INCLUSION and EQUAL RIGHTS for EVERYONE are the RULE of The Land.
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The law of diminution at the margin is the law of this land. The more of anything you have, the less each unit of it is worth.
This article is jumping on a bandwagon and trying to push an agenda. I see what you are doing. It's insulting.
Donald Trump is helping us to remove our blinders and apathy.
He is not creating racism. But perhaps he is helping to give permission to people voicing their honest thoughts. Unfortunately some of those honest thoughts are overtly racist. But at least we know what we are dealing with.
Let's not make Donald Trump the scapegoat. He has said some things that are offensive, but I look at the bigger problem that he is trying to address. I may not agree with his solutions but I applaud him for having the courage to look for solutions that generally would be avoided by those trying to be politically correct and as a result tiptoeing around the deeper issues and problems. I'm pretty sick of political correctness. There is so much hypocrisy in that political correctness.
I feel that with Donald Trump, at least there is a possibility that we can get to the truth. The path may be painful, but at least it's real.
Oh, and, by the way, I'm black.
Donald Trump is helping us to remove our blinders and apathy.
He is not creating racism. But perhaps he is helping to give permission to people voicing their honest thoughts. Unfortunately some of those honest thoughts are overtly racist. But at least we know what we are dealing with.
Let's not make Donald Trump the scapegoat. He has said some things that are offensive, but I look at the bigger problem that he is trying to address. I may not agree with his solutions but I applaud him for having the courage to look for solutions that generally would be avoided by those trying to be politically correct and as a result tiptoeing around the deeper issues and problems. I'm pretty sick of political correctness. There is so much hypocrisy in that political correctness.
I feel that with Donald Trump, at least there is a possibility that we can get to the truth. The path may be painful, but at least it's real.
Oh, and, by the way, I'm black.
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I believe America is a great country. I don't think it has ever been not a great country. I don't think Donald Trump or any of his family in either direction has anything to do with it.
Perhaps a reevaluation of the word "great" might be in order for the people of this country.
Perhaps a reevaluation of the word "great" might be in order for the people of this country.
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It doesn't matter that Trump will lose, and lose badly. The damage is done, the racists are out and have cover in a political candidate. The United States will never be the same.
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During the democratic primary in 2007 , Obama vs Clinton, the NYT did not disparage black voters who overwhelmingly supported Obama, nor is the NYT disparaging black voters who are now supporting Clinton. But the NYT has no problem continuously disparaging the white voters who support Trump, with this article and many like it. It might interest the NYT to know that Trump also has support from outside the white demographic.
It is also interesting that Clinton was seeking the support of this same demographic in 2008 that is somewhat supporting Trump in 2016.
Is the purpose of the NYT non-Op Ed news pages to report the news or to incorporate and spill over Op Ed to the news section a la Fox News, disguising opinion as news? Ironically, the NYT has turned into the left version of the much maligned Fox News. Now that the premier US newspaper has diminished itself to left leaning propaganda, what news source do readers have remaining for balanced reporting?
It is also interesting that Clinton was seeking the support of this same demographic in 2008 that is somewhat supporting Trump in 2016.
Is the purpose of the NYT non-Op Ed news pages to report the news or to incorporate and spill over Op Ed to the news section a la Fox News, disguising opinion as news? Ironically, the NYT has turned into the left version of the much maligned Fox News. Now that the premier US newspaper has diminished itself to left leaning propaganda, what news source do readers have remaining for balanced reporting?
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But wait - Trump has mocked physically challenged people, directly, during press conference. He has said flat out harsh and racist things about Mexican immigrants and Muslims. These are things that he DID say, thus he has been branded racist. Its not an invention of concepts, its based on fact. Fact fact fact.
I can't think of a better place for it than the front page. The people will decide, in the end, who they want. Not the New York Times.
I can't think of a better place for it than the front page. The people will decide, in the end, who they want. Not the New York Times.
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You cannot have a civil conversation on education, the economy, inequality, the use excessive police force, crime etc etc when you look at the facts and the situation through the prism of color. As long as we do the divide gets wider. It's sad and irresponsible to interject the race card every time there is a problem in this country. There are other healthier ways to frame this conversation without introducing race. We can do better, newspapers can do better. The President of the United States could have done better. Because as long as your throwing bricks at someone, they are not gonna wanna cooperate with you, and without cooperation human relations in America are not going to get better. Cooperation is the only way things get done, you can try to twist my arm all you want, but as long as you are claiming to have all the answers, as well as know everything about me, my fears, and desires, etc, you really don't know anything. Why is this article even on the front page of a newspaper, oh yeah, this is the NY Times. paulkempe.com
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Whites seeking answers are sensing decline of the middle class.
They see that the Democrat's war on poverty has made the minority population poorer and more dependent. They see the Democrat's war on drugs has put minority users and low level dealers in prisons for long lengths of time. They see a failed immigration policy that continues to lower wages and triggers job insecurity for the whites, at the same time it is destroying opportunities for minority citizens and keeping them in a servants role.
It is a slow process of declining status of the WASP's and the middle class, and it is painful.
But it is not the pain felt by minorities at the lowest rung of the economic ladder. That minority pain is deeper, longer and systemic. When you start at the lowest rung, and continue to climb lower instead up upwards there is something terribly wrong with the system. The system that addresses and tries to fix over seas follies before the citizens basic hope and needs are restored, not just used as a talking point at every election.
They see that the Democrat's war on poverty has made the minority population poorer and more dependent. They see the Democrat's war on drugs has put minority users and low level dealers in prisons for long lengths of time. They see a failed immigration policy that continues to lower wages and triggers job insecurity for the whites, at the same time it is destroying opportunities for minority citizens and keeping them in a servants role.
It is a slow process of declining status of the WASP's and the middle class, and it is painful.
But it is not the pain felt by minorities at the lowest rung of the economic ladder. That minority pain is deeper, longer and systemic. When you start at the lowest rung, and continue to climb lower instead up upwards there is something terribly wrong with the system. The system that addresses and tries to fix over seas follies before the citizens basic hope and needs are restored, not just used as a talking point at every election.
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status quo which the NYTimes aims to protect is vital to the citizenry, Its important to allow politicians who take money from wealthy benefactors such as the banks, entertainment, and health care industries to continue being paid. Therefore we can keep things the way they are. race relations are awful, violence and terrorism are rising. The status quo appears to be killing American Society. The middle class is being wiped out, yet the key reason the NYTimes can come up with for Trumps success is racism and bigotry. Maybe you should look outside those hallowed walls.
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This article has gone through three different headlines over the past 24 hours. The first one was biased and disparaging toward Trump supporters. It is time for the NYt to go back to real journalism. Biased reportting is part of the problem of divisiveness in or country.
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OMG - what a frightening mess of (mostly) angry, white men, who obviously do not care to think there hatefulness through to a common sense conclusion.
I have thought this was where much of the white power (mostly men) have been headed for a very long time. For some, power and control are not values easily turned around. Ask any male rapist, no matter the color of his skin.
Nope, this Trump movement does not surprise me one bit. And, yes, I am still disappointed and feel ashamed for this country - USA, USA...
United, hahahahaha!
I have thought this was where much of the white power (mostly men) have been headed for a very long time. For some, power and control are not values easily turned around. Ask any male rapist, no matter the color of his skin.
Nope, this Trump movement does not surprise me one bit. And, yes, I am still disappointed and feel ashamed for this country - USA, USA...
United, hahahahaha!
I wouldn't be surprised a bit if he wins the general election. After all, we voted twice, not once, but twice for that other guy.
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Bush? I know, I can hardly believe people elected him twice either.
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I mean in their book of magic spells Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple.
That's a parable for driving politics and profiteering out of the church.
We need to drive the racist republican christian sharia law party out of society root and branch.
Dave
That's a parable for driving politics and profiteering out of the church.
We need to drive the racist republican christian sharia law party out of society root and branch.
Dave
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Wow.
Trumpies are out in force on this one.
What I've discerned is that people who have drunk Trump Kool Aid aren't going to wake up. They're in. Hook, line and sinker. Pointing out his staggering number of failures and shortcomings to them is futile. They would, quite literally, jump off a cliff for him.
Say his sheep--
Leave reason and facts and logic in the kitchen, we want the Kool Aid!
Trumpies are out in force on this one.
What I've discerned is that people who have drunk Trump Kool Aid aren't going to wake up. They're in. Hook, line and sinker. Pointing out his staggering number of failures and shortcomings to them is futile. They would, quite literally, jump off a cliff for him.
Say his sheep--
Leave reason and facts and logic in the kitchen, we want the Kool Aid!
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The article refers to David Duke as the former state legislator turned anti-semitic radio host. It is amazing to me that any one-line summary of Duke could omit that he is the former grand dragon the Ku Klux Klan, and has never renounced his racist past or beliefs. He was a Klansman far longer than he was a state legislator, and his time in the Klan formed him into the racist demagogue he still is today.
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Tell people how you feel about Trump. Google: "In case Trump wins."
Donald's new best friend is Jeff Sessions. Immigration worries him a lot. The jobs created by Donald in China and Bangladesh where kids and their grand-parents toil to produce the dreck he's sold for years are not his primary concern. Not the poor kids stuck in the Alabama public school system, propped up with about a billion or so in Federal money every year. Donald and Jeff will make sure taxes are low for the beleaguered 1%. The rest of you can pick up the tab for health care and education and infrastructure and jobs creation, because Donald and Jeff and Mike Pence won't. Rant about Hillary all you want, the girl paid her $10,000,000 in tax, highest rate, in 2014, delivered speeches to groups representing every sector of the working and thinking classes, paid her own way and hasn't asked you to bail out her failed ventures. Donald let you pay his share in the one year for which we have tax information.
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Really. Hillary champions the working and middle class while getting rich from Wall Street and corporations? What exactly did she say in those speeches anyway?
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The NY Times DOES NOT ALLOW public comment on the #HillaryClinton news articles -- only on the #DonaldTrump news articles. So let me say here #NeverHillary -- she is the epitome of pay-to-play self-enrichment political corruption, secrecy, money-laundering of "charitable" contributions from the Saudi's the Russians the Chinese .. while Sec. of State. The smoking gun is the Clinton Family Foundation, and our AG went back to her office and requested a 22 month delay in releasing the family foundation emails, after her meeting on the tarmac with Slick Willie.
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I'm really starting to feel like I'm living in North Korea. Can't access a "news"-related website without seeing Yuge color photos of the Dear Leader waving and smiling (and I'm talking about the one with the XX chromosomes, in case it's unclear). And last week Obama was out there praising her and her "qualifications" to the skies at virtually the same time Comey was giving his press conference detailing the instances of her gross negligence which he admitted nobody else would escape prosecution for. The demonstration of public cognitive dissonance was overwhelming.
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A birther's a bigot. And Donald Trump is the Birther-in-Chief.
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No, sorry, that was Billary of Billary 1.0. The British press has made that point even if the U.S. likes to ignore it.
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It would seem that there are those who have forgotten that white power and privilege was garnered by eradicating or enslaving everyone else. Being indignant isn't enough to maintain supremacy. Maybe we can all forget about supremacy; it's so 20th century.
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Even if Trump loses in November, he has done us enormous damage already, the consequences of which we are only beginning to see. By legitimizing and fueling hate and bigotry on the national stage, he has unleashed something truly dangerous. Those of us who reject his projected worldview - whether he himself believes it or not is irrelevant - must speak up and come together. Maybe our country can become an even better version of itself on the other side of this crisis; maybe this can be the impetus to move us forward one more step towards that "always over the horizon" more perfect union. Union. I say it again, union.
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“Of course they don’t actually want Jews to die,” Mr. Dickerman said. “They want to shock.” His peers, he added, “are kids who don’t really know about the Holocaust.”
“And they don’t care about history,” he said. “And some of them think it’s funny.”
It is very disturbing that the history of the Holocaust is forgotten or shrugged off.
Let's call a spade a spade - Trump is anti-semitic, racist, and misogynist, and the media does nothing to hold him accountable for his remarks. It is pathetic to hear the rationale used by his supporters, and even more disgraceful to see how journalists accept the answers. The vitriolic discourse used by Trump to garner support will have lasting ramifications.
“And they don’t care about history,” he said. “And some of them think it’s funny.”
It is very disturbing that the history of the Holocaust is forgotten or shrugged off.
Let's call a spade a spade - Trump is anti-semitic, racist, and misogynist, and the media does nothing to hold him accountable for his remarks. It is pathetic to hear the rationale used by his supporters, and even more disgraceful to see how journalists accept the answers. The vitriolic discourse used by Trump to garner support will have lasting ramifications.
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What a scary article. Now, I am really afraid for this country.
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Trump is the KING OF BIGOTRY + DIVISIVENESS personified and is a menace on the USA. That's the only "strategy" he has to please his Republican masters. He's the current fraud that the Republicans unleashed on the American public because they have absolutely no substance, no authentic values, they DON'T CARE ABOUT AMERICANS and they only chase after $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for their greedy rich 1% and spend their millions of funds hiring the hatchers of conspiracy theories, big-money "think tanks", lies, diversions, hit-and-run rightwing media nonsense lapped up by people who thrive on FEAR MESSAGES. Republicans are fueled by LIES and delusions. America cannot afford Republicans in Congress or anywhere else. Enough already!
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@MDCooks8:
You really think Trump "understands the lives of the working class"? He does what all demagogues do, which is use the anger of supporters for his own political gain. He is doing this to gratify his ego and constant need for attention, not because he cares about the working class. I have no doubt he sees working class and poor people as nothing more than"losers"--but he will feed off their adoration, and use them as political pawns.
What has ever convinced you Trump cares about anyone but himself? He has cheated the working class when he refused to pay contractors that have done work for him, he swindled many working people out of their money with the Trump University scam (his employees told students how to call credit card companies and max out their limits so he could get more money out of them), and despite his wealth, he has given almost none of his own money to charity (he "donates" rounds of golf at his golf courses, which he can write off on his taxes).
It is so incredibly transparent that Trump is self-obsessed, selfish, and completely lacking in empathy or concern for others. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else, much less "the working class"!
He is conning you. It baffles me that people can be so blind.
You really think Trump "understands the lives of the working class"? He does what all demagogues do, which is use the anger of supporters for his own political gain. He is doing this to gratify his ego and constant need for attention, not because he cares about the working class. I have no doubt he sees working class and poor people as nothing more than"losers"--but he will feed off their adoration, and use them as political pawns.
What has ever convinced you Trump cares about anyone but himself? He has cheated the working class when he refused to pay contractors that have done work for him, he swindled many working people out of their money with the Trump University scam (his employees told students how to call credit card companies and max out their limits so he could get more money out of them), and despite his wealth, he has given almost none of his own money to charity (he "donates" rounds of golf at his golf courses, which he can write off on his taxes).
It is so incredibly transparent that Trump is self-obsessed, selfish, and completely lacking in empathy or concern for others. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else, much less "the working class"!
He is conning you. It baffles me that people can be so blind.
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I am a White in decline because I have had chronic illness for over 30 years and have only been able to work intermittently. I am living on Soc. Sec. at present and may soon be homeless.
Meanwhile I canvassed for Obama and gave over 200 dollars to his campaign. In this elect cycle I have been a supporter of Sanders because he is the one to help Americans of all groups the most.
I tired of Mr. Confessore and others stereotyping White Americans.
Meanwhile I canvassed for Obama and gave over 200 dollars to his campaign. In this elect cycle I have been a supporter of Sanders because he is the one to help Americans of all groups the most.
I tired of Mr. Confessore and others stereotyping White Americans.
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Astonishing to me that these voters continue to support the very party who facilitated their "decline", and a caricature of the 1%.
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Unfortunately the Democratic Party does not represent the middle and working class anymore. Look what the policies of the last 10 years have done to them. Disastrous trade policies have shipped their jobs overseas. Open borders increased crime and stifled wages. The affordable care act has been anything but affordable with penalties if you don't sign up and high deductible. The problem is not that Obama is black; the problem is with the policies that have hurt the middle and working classes.
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Racism and hatred are not morally wrong. They may be vile but they are basic human qualities. They have always existed and always will. However, acting out of racism and hatred is the choice that Trump supporters are too stupid not to make.
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Trump supporters acting out ?? Really?? Then who are all those violent demonstrators at Trump rallies?
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HRC has flip flopped on every issue of significance on this issue, first to mimic Bernie, now to try to differentiate herself from the Donald. She started her campaign slogans with "Fighting for You" aimed directly at Black voters across the Southern (who fell for it). and then saying Bernie was no Democrat because he could only win the white states. Ouch.
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John Carlos thrusting his black gloved fist into the air at the Olympics -- that was resistance. Muhammad Ali refusing to fight in Vietnam and taking on the U.S. courts --- that was resistance.
Donald Trump's name cannot be used even in the same sentence as resistance or in the same context as the resistance heroes that came before before him and even those who "resist" today like EdSnowden -- who wants to come home but can't. What has Trump really risked besides a year in the life of a 70 year old.
"Whites sensing decline" should look to John Carlos, Muhammad Ali, and Martin Luther King Jr. for models of resistance. King's "Poor People Campaign" was inclusive. It was his attempt to bridge the gap between poor whites and blacks and make those "sensing decline" brothers.
The establishment at the time wasn't very enthusiastic about King's idea of poor blacks and whites marching together for higher wages. That was about money, capital and labor and suddenly King, once a darling of centrist whites wasn't on the TV set anymore, until his untimely death.
Poor whites will find no productive resistance by following an opportunistic billionaire. Poor whites have to unify with poor blacks and poor hispanics. If you want manufacturing jobs back in the United States, do you really think you can get them without unifying with blacks and hispanics? Trump is dividing these constituencies while promising only what the poor and jobless can get through unity.
Donald Trump's name cannot be used even in the same sentence as resistance or in the same context as the resistance heroes that came before before him and even those who "resist" today like EdSnowden -- who wants to come home but can't. What has Trump really risked besides a year in the life of a 70 year old.
"Whites sensing decline" should look to John Carlos, Muhammad Ali, and Martin Luther King Jr. for models of resistance. King's "Poor People Campaign" was inclusive. It was his attempt to bridge the gap between poor whites and blacks and make those "sensing decline" brothers.
The establishment at the time wasn't very enthusiastic about King's idea of poor blacks and whites marching together for higher wages. That was about money, capital and labor and suddenly King, once a darling of centrist whites wasn't on the TV set anymore, until his untimely death.
Poor whites will find no productive resistance by following an opportunistic billionaire. Poor whites have to unify with poor blacks and poor hispanics. If you want manufacturing jobs back in the United States, do you really think you can get them without unifying with blacks and hispanics? Trump is dividing these constituencies while promising only what the poor and jobless can get through unity.
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History tells us that fighting against change never brings about the great world that the fighters think they want. Good leaders need to help all of us see what the future would look like where the pie is larger and everyone has a better chance for a good job, a home, and a safe retirement. In Drumpf we here that the pie is shrinking and that without him his followers will see less not more; it frightens them to the core. We'll need to make sure that those who embrace change get to the polls or indeed the pie will shrink.
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To defeat Trump you will have to address the issue of American "elites" talking about "American decay" or "loss of greatness". At my university we had a visiting professor of politics from a lower tier state school, who taught his US foreign policy class insisting on the decline of America. He was the decline of America: marginally competent, always eyeing the blond female student in the first row. I never knew someone like that could even get tenure in political science. Decline in education exists at the level of state schools, left and right and far longer than since yesterday. Decline in all of America? Not at all!
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The United States has never come close to being a majority minority nation. This is a major change and a radically new direction in population politics. The changes in American demographics have not been sufficiently reflected upon. In fact, they appear not to have been a product of intentional policy. To treat the change as a policy issue is wise. To pretend nothing is happening is foolish. Trump's supporters have raised the issue but not in a constructive way. Clinton's supporters pretend the issue doesn't exist. On immigration, neither has a clue.
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Donald the Strumpet has nothing whatsoever to offer the American people nor the wider world at large.
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I am black-Latino with a Jewish mother and a disabled Veteran. in a wheelchiair, I am sick of making everything Trump says to be racist. It is about the Ameircan mainstream, not race. Unfortunately, many of my brothers and sisters have chosen to not get an educaiton or assimilate and marginalize themselves. As a result, blacks and Latinos in the mainstream are scant but among those, support for Trump is widespread as people just want to throw a wrench in the system.
We are breaking down as a nation. My story is an example.
I went thorough very bad domestic violence as the victim. The ex is now a neo-Nazi who has purchased guns and threatened Jewish people in LA. However, since no one helped me, I'm not helping police. She injured police in California in anohter arrest for domestic violence. She now thinks, in her mental illness, Jewish people are at fault and even with pictures of an AR15, no one wants to make a decision to put her in a mental hospital.
She threatened a mass shooting, sent people pictures of her chopping a man's head with an axe, with the man's face obscured.
This is the sort of garbage people are sick and tired of experiencing in the real world.
Take screen shots of this so when she is caught for murder or one of the guns my abuser bought is invovled in an anti-Semtic death, you can show how little the loudmouths of caring care.
Things have gotten this bad and Trump, to the dying middle class, is all they/we have left.
We are breaking down as a nation. My story is an example.
I went thorough very bad domestic violence as the victim. The ex is now a neo-Nazi who has purchased guns and threatened Jewish people in LA. However, since no one helped me, I'm not helping police. She injured police in California in anohter arrest for domestic violence. She now thinks, in her mental illness, Jewish people are at fault and even with pictures of an AR15, no one wants to make a decision to put her in a mental hospital.
She threatened a mass shooting, sent people pictures of her chopping a man's head with an axe, with the man's face obscured.
This is the sort of garbage people are sick and tired of experiencing in the real world.
Take screen shots of this so when she is caught for murder or one of the guns my abuser bought is invovled in an anti-Semtic death, you can show how little the loudmouths of caring care.
Things have gotten this bad and Trump, to the dying middle class, is all they/we have left.
I am sort of looking at my watch and calendar, waiting for the New York Times to stop casting this absurd presidential contest as race-based.
Get on the high ground, for crying out loud.
The inanities of hoi polloi are what they are. Stop obsessing about it and its curiosities.
They are barely interesting in the most horrid situations and very few decent fictions.
The problem is an endemic ignorance, addiction to entertainment and infotainment and massive wealth and value manipulation by people in positions of huge wealth power. And more. Oh plus denial. But those are things that are heavily affecting most people, whether they are aware of it or not.
I don't know what to do about it but keep writing stuff like this, frankly.
I'm not sure I'm even going to vote.
Disgust is powerful when one is more than halfway smart and getting old.
I was in high school in NYC when this clown Trump started shaking his stuff around. Nobody I knew then, who now are still there and have also done well in real estate and other things, thought he was anything but a complete idiot.
They and I still do.
Just stop covering him. The GOP will come up with some more idiots and we can all have some more stuff to laugh at.
Get on the high ground, for crying out loud.
The inanities of hoi polloi are what they are. Stop obsessing about it and its curiosities.
They are barely interesting in the most horrid situations and very few decent fictions.
The problem is an endemic ignorance, addiction to entertainment and infotainment and massive wealth and value manipulation by people in positions of huge wealth power. And more. Oh plus denial. But those are things that are heavily affecting most people, whether they are aware of it or not.
I don't know what to do about it but keep writing stuff like this, frankly.
I'm not sure I'm even going to vote.
Disgust is powerful when one is more than halfway smart and getting old.
I was in high school in NYC when this clown Trump started shaking his stuff around. Nobody I knew then, who now are still there and have also done well in real estate and other things, thought he was anything but a complete idiot.
They and I still do.
Just stop covering him. The GOP will come up with some more idiots and we can all have some more stuff to laugh at.
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Please vote!!
Trump's bellowing wouldn't seem so bad if there was some shred of legitimacy behind his words, but his egotistic life built on daddy money, lies, hypocrisy, bankruptcy, shady business deals and outsourcing are hardly things that voters should step in line to root for. What's scary is that he's fanning the flames of gun-waving, Muslim-hating, Mexican-hating, white supremacist "patriots", more concerned with arming themselves to the teeth while gleefully ignoring that the rest of the Constitution even exists.
I'm no Hillary fan, but at least she's got some ability to understand, digest and assess an international crisis when it comes up. I'm personally not comfortable with a professional brander of coffee and golf courses heading up the country. If people are tired of the status quo, then maybe some of them should get off their trucks and SUV's and run for office themselves. They will learn soon enough if he's elected, Trump can't make America great (again) by just spewing the words, "You're Fired" to a petulant dictator overseas.
I'm no Hillary fan, but at least she's got some ability to understand, digest and assess an international crisis when it comes up. I'm personally not comfortable with a professional brander of coffee and golf courses heading up the country. If people are tired of the status quo, then maybe some of them should get off their trucks and SUV's and run for office themselves. They will learn soon enough if he's elected, Trump can't make America great (again) by just spewing the words, "You're Fired" to a petulant dictator overseas.
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Bob Dylan said it well half a century ago (no room for the last verse):
ONLY A PAWN IN THEIR GAME
A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers' blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game.
A South politician preaches to the poor white man
"You got more than blacks, don't complain
You're better than them, you been born with white skin" they explain
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
From the powerty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks
And the hoof beats pound in his brain
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
ONLY A PAWN IN THEIR GAME
A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers' blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game.
A South politician preaches to the poor white man
"You got more than blacks, don't complain
You're better than them, you been born with white skin" they explain
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
From the powerty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks
And the hoof beats pound in his brain
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
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There is a real risk to singling out Trump to the exclusion of the GOP and Republican Party as the source of hatred and vile behavior. Remember that Trump was merely one of many dangerous fools running for that party's ticket. Eliminating Trump from contention will not make this danger go away, in fact many of the others lurking in the background are far more dangerous. The NYT does a disservice by focusing on Trump when a shotgun approach is necessary.
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As an African American, my greatest concern regarding Trump's pending loss is the reaction by the losing supporters. Many are angry extremist who are heavily armed and feel trapped by the changing world around them. A percentage of those are not going to react well to the loss and I feel many non-whites are going to be in greater danger than the usual. Like Bundy many of them are self destructive and looking for a cross to die on for the "Greater Glory". ~se
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That's a fair point. I'm also weary of what would happen if he wins, there might be full blown riots in this country. Trump used rhetoric that promotes "Us" and "them" in the American consciousness and that just reinforces divisiveness. We need a leader that will unite us and make us realize that "We" need to come together.
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Reality check dont matter if your white yellow or gray or black . Eevy one should vote problem is our media displays or advoids truth people dont vote because they are being dumbitized by media
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of course, the empirical reality is that white rights are not jeopardized in the least. Being rich, white, and male, I am crystal clear about my advantages socially and I can't find any threats to my status and privilege in the least and frankly am glad to see it in decline as it has been real wrong from the start. Black president - woman president - muslim president? I am moved to tears at those realities and possiblities in a way that no Trump supporter could ever know and will ever know in their lifetime. And I am sad for them. Theirs are the urges of pure and simple evil that feels good: dominate, win, be right, hold oneself up as better than, and more privileged than, and know the glee of cruelty inflicted on another. Nice. All the hallmarks of the feeble minded, the immoral, the cowards, and the punks. And shame on all our America - which is all of us - that we haven't progressed yet beyond this.
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The white working class have voted against their self interest for decades. They have voted for the republicans who have done nothing for them in an economic sense. They have voted for reduced government and for strengthening of corporations. Who do you think globalization is driven by? By the corporations. Simply put technology has made distance irrelevant. So work goes to the lowest priced country. Working class people now compete with people across the globe for work. In the 50's they may have competed with someone in the same state, in the 60's maybe someone in another state. Now the world is global. Picking up your ball and going home is not going to change that. Government can't stop it. I also find it ironic that people who want government out of their lives, now want someone in government to do something about it. Trump can't do anything about it, in their desperation they're falling for a conman selling snake oil. I find this comment interesting "It is mingled with patriotism, pride, fear and a sense that an America without them at its center is not really America anymore." It reminds me what someone said of these people. "They've never loved America, they love THEIR version of America." America like everywhere else in the world is changing. When I travel outside of America, I'm always struck by how fast the world is changing and what a bubble we live in, in America.
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I'm shocked by some of the comments here, including those selected by the Times... what criteria guide this selection? Quality, I would have thought?? I'm white, not making nearly enough money to compete in the current global economy -- I can barely afford to take my family to the occasional dinner out where I live -- but I'm doing much better than most of my non-white neighbors, and I'd be happy to give up a bit to let them do a bit better. Asserting the rights of a given group is fine -- and as a commenter notes, that by itself is certainly not racism. But doing so in a way that demeans all other groups? And doing so by furthering overt prejudice and even violence against other groups?? In the final analysis, by what criteria should we favor only our own race/ethnic group, except by the criteria of tribalism... and isn't that what we condemn in ISIS and the Taliban?
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“I think what we really find troubling is the mainstreaming of these really offensive ideas,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks hate groups. “It’s allowed some of the worst ideas into the public conversation in ways we haven’t seen anything like in recent memory.”
This is more troubling than Trump himself, that he voices what so many Americans apparently believe...
This is more troubling than Trump himself, that he voices what so many Americans apparently believe...
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The strange irony here is that The New York Times appear to have sanctioned Donald Trumps nativism hysterics devised for political expediency. Offering only a false safe haven to White-American supporters under direst from economic and social anxieties, why should Donald Trump be congratulated by the NYTimes for his hate-fueled atmospherics of xenophobia, bigotry, racism, misogyny, Islamophobia, and commercial isolationism? This while the BlackLivesMatter movement is vilified as a rogue group of police officer hating Black militants, not the peaceful protest movement whose genesis is owed to several lethal White-on-Black police officer shooting of unarmed African-American urban youth. No less so than Donald Trump advocating for his supporters, the BLM is charged with adjudicating the anxieties, anger, and fears besetting African-American communities. Blacks who have--- let's face it, been literally "under the gun" socioeconomically ever since the first African slaves arrived at Jamestown Virginia in 1619. But I digress, given 21st Century automation where robots supplant physical labor, combined with American companies ensuing fetishes for outsourcing manufacturing jobs to cheap labor havens and in-shoring foreign workers to America from the same, African-Americans can appreciate White-Americans political ambivalence and economic unease. What we don't share: empathy for Donald Trump's divisive Republican Lee Atwater styled racialized politics.
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I don't think Trump will remain in the race. He's a egomaniac, and when he's tired of the game, he'll pack his bags and go home. I hope he stays in long enough to get Hillary elected! Yay!
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It's not Trump. This has been building since we started having to push a number for English, when it should be the default. So far as bigotry and racism go, nobody seems to have a problem with Indians. Perhaps that's because, aside from those lovely dresses that Indian women wear, they assimilate immediately upon their immigration. I cannot feel any shame in expressing the same disgust and horror for Islam that I hold for Christianity. At least Christianity doesn't force sexual mutilation upon all of its adherents. Or force women to wear bags over their heads, like the hostages they are to Muslims.
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I am white. Every time I see that slogan on the red hats I really think it says "Make America White Again". I shudder because the intended meaning is full of bigotry. I'm not just twisting an aspirational slogan. Listen to Trump - his message is not about being great - it’s about getting your vote. He changes his message all the time to make sure he gets those votes.
Living in NYC gave me a good idea of what is globalization. Things move fast; you can get trampled; life here can be very rewarding; life here is hard. This is how life will be in most places from now on: we travel the world, we mix ideas on the internet, we innovate and challenge others. Not everyone accepts that life. But we need to hear and help those who see globalization as bad. We need to help them, or they will elect Trump.
Living in NYC gave me a good idea of what is globalization. Things move fast; you can get trampled; life here can be very rewarding; life here is hard. This is how life will be in most places from now on: we travel the world, we mix ideas on the internet, we innovate and challenge others. Not everyone accepts that life. But we need to hear and help those who see globalization as bad. We need to help them, or they will elect Trump.
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Really not sure if articles like this are helping anything, other than to fuel the dissent.
We already know this country is at the brink of a racial-identity crisis.
And most of those who have decided to vote for Donald Trump, already know why ... and so does everyone else.
It's about time for the Media to take a little more responsibility for their messages -- there's too much at stake for them not to.
We already know this country is at the brink of a racial-identity crisis.
And most of those who have decided to vote for Donald Trump, already know why ... and so does everyone else.
It's about time for the Media to take a little more responsibility for their messages -- there's too much at stake for them not to.
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Well said, well, almost said, because you can't really say the truth out loud without the pc police pouncing on you!
2
The country is polarized. The racial division is deep. Less educated, financially trapped poor whites' anger is palpable. White supremacist groups see Trump as the savior. Guns are plentiful. I hope federal and local law enforcement are prepared if Trump loses.
1
He's a white populist with an (R) attached to his name. He must be racist because white people like him. Give me a break. He's got the educated Latino vote her in NorCal. He's got the educated Black vote here in NorCal. Hilary will win, but at the cost of the destruction of the democratic party here. She's not progressive and we know it. She's not a democrat and we know it. She's a corporate puppet and we know it, and we've been betrayed.
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The press-this paper included--must discuss the differences between understanding society through race or through class. It may help us differentiate between irrational atavisms versus economic and cultural habits. Trump appeals to lower -class whites and to the other rich whites who plan in exploiting them. The lower-class whites vote against their own best interest due to racism.
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I believe if Trump is elected and Republicans keep both houses of Congress, he'll be the first president to openly support repealing the Civil Rights Act.
3
Where all this crazy anti-globalism among conservatives comes from?
Globalism is nothing else but unrestricted global capitalism. Isn't the unrestricted free market the ideal so called conservatives have always fervently supported? No regulations of any kind, and even Trump himself is riding on this nonsense. He promised to remove all regulations that restrict free market mechanisms. Now, since Reagan, we were able to remove many regulations that would benefit middle class. Hey, let the free market flourish and get the government out of the way.
Not really, 36 years later, the same people who have consistently voted against government action, and pro-free market solutions, complain they were unfairly treated and left behind by Washington elites. Folks, one can't make this up. It is just unbelievable to see in plain daylight how ignorant people were so duped to support billionaires and their growing fortunes (hey, it is their money), and, better yet, still can't find the real reason for their own misery, try to elect a ConMan and are lashing out at anything and anyone that doesn't look like them.
Globalism is nothing else but unrestricted global capitalism. Isn't the unrestricted free market the ideal so called conservatives have always fervently supported? No regulations of any kind, and even Trump himself is riding on this nonsense. He promised to remove all regulations that restrict free market mechanisms. Now, since Reagan, we were able to remove many regulations that would benefit middle class. Hey, let the free market flourish and get the government out of the way.
Not really, 36 years later, the same people who have consistently voted against government action, and pro-free market solutions, complain they were unfairly treated and left behind by Washington elites. Folks, one can't make this up. It is just unbelievable to see in plain daylight how ignorant people were so duped to support billionaires and their growing fortunes (hey, it is their money), and, better yet, still can't find the real reason for their own misery, try to elect a ConMan and are lashing out at anything and anyone that doesn't look like them.
5
Did Republicans think that continually attacking the first black President for eight straight years was going to improve race relations?
5
Given the demographics, globalisation, the neo liberal economical creed, what happens in the US with D Trump ( and with that no other choice represented by RHC) is no different than what is destroying the EU.
Adding some specifics in the whole picture ( race history in the US, Europe ' s proximity to the Middle East, France ' s colonial heritage...) doesn' t fundamentally change the trends towards what some call hazardous and inefficient populism and others a fair return to real democracy.
The state of things is such in the West that I am among those whose pessimism is close to having no ideas at all.
Adding some specifics in the whole picture ( race history in the US, Europe ' s proximity to the Middle East, France ' s colonial heritage...) doesn' t fundamentally change the trends towards what some call hazardous and inefficient populism and others a fair return to real democracy.
The state of things is such in the West that I am among those whose pessimism is close to having no ideas at all.
Trump has seemed to heavily sway the masses during his campaign. He has been extremely controversial during his campaign as well. Throughout this campaign, he has made statements being both pro-life and pro-choice, and he has also made statements claiming to both keep immigrants in the country and also sending them away. I try to avoid political conversation but it has come to a point where I dear for the future of this country. Trump is now the republican nominee and if he gets voted in as President, based off of the wide range of contradictory things he has said, no one knows exactly how he would run this country.
I recently watched Jim Jefferies newest stand up comedy special called “Freedumb”. While it may be comedy and is just material designed to make viewers laugh, he makes a lot of very valid points. He mentions Trump’s plan to send all immigrant out of the country, even the ones that were born in the US, even though their parents weren’t. Those children that may be 16 or 17 years old are born American and believe they are Americans, meanwhile their presidential-nominee is consistently stating that he would deport them all. The point is that those kids never thought about turning against America, but now that they’re potentially being banned from their home, the likelihood of them becoming radicals is much higher. Is it possible for him to even get an idea like this passed through congress?
I recently watched Jim Jefferies newest stand up comedy special called “Freedumb”. While it may be comedy and is just material designed to make viewers laugh, he makes a lot of very valid points. He mentions Trump’s plan to send all immigrant out of the country, even the ones that were born in the US, even though their parents weren’t. Those children that may be 16 or 17 years old are born American and believe they are Americans, meanwhile their presidential-nominee is consistently stating that he would deport them all. The point is that those kids never thought about turning against America, but now that they’re potentially being banned from their home, the likelihood of them becoming radicals is much higher. Is it possible for him to even get an idea like this passed through congress?
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Is this an editorial? Shouldn't they REPORT what Trump says and, perhaps, speculate on WHY he might have such phenomenal support across the country, rather than tell us why we should despise this man? It's offensive. I am VERY unimpressed with this political figure, but the lack of objectivity with regard to Trump here - and Hillary elsewhere - could drive an empirically-minded individual to strange places. Maybe NYT has painted itself into a corner with its extremely biased coverage of the democratic race....
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NYT provides DT with more free publicity by repeating what's already been said: his appeal to "victims" of globalization. Every move forward in the world economy has left some people out, this is nothing new. But it makes for clicks and the media play along.
How far is the political distance from Philadelphia, Mississippi to the campaign venues of Donald Trump, the would be hater-in-chief? The Republicans have moved farther and farther to the right since Reagan began his campaign for president within miles of where three civil rights workers were murdered in 1964. The grotesque symbolism was unmistakeable: the coded racist message to his supporters was clear. It took the Tea Party and their gospel of hatred against government and all things associated with Barack Obama to arrive at this political juncture. The danger to all people of goodwill, both in the U.S. and across the globe, is palpable!
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Trump means Make America White Again. Sorry, too late. I am white and have no issue with the way Obama has carried himself. the GOP might as well call him that NI$$ER in the white house. What Obama has had to put up with is an American disgrace.
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Thank God for US constitution and system of checks and balances which is a nice insurance against one person having too much power.
This analysis makes sense.
For decades, every major institution in our society, including (especially) the NYT, has been promoting racial identity, and overtly discriminating in favor of certain racial groups. Don't be surprised that people of European ancestry have jumped on the bandwagon and are proclaiming their own racial identity. For them, "diversity" means "not you".
If you didn't want this, you shouldn't have promoted any racial identity movements.
If you didn't want this, you shouldn't have promoted any racial identity movements.
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Is it racism or reaction to behavior? Making all feel welcome is one thing, but removing portraits of Washington and Lincoln in grade schools as part of an effort to deny that it was mainly men of English background and classical education that created this country is another.
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I fail to see any bigotry in resenting that your livelihood has been "offshored" by Hillary's buddies on Wall Street. Did your job go south to Mexico as a result of NAFTA, a Clinton initiative, or elsewhere as a result of the Wall Street "Masters of the Universe" to use Tom Wolfe's label, and their official senator, Mr. "Where's the camera" Chuck Schumer? It only matters that you have been sold out and Hillary giving 20 minute pep talks to Goldman-Sachs and being paid over $183 PER SECOND for those non-disclosed chats is supposed to make us trust her and her co-conspirators? Puhlease!!
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Hillary has not sent a single job overseas, nor is she responsible for NAFTA. Claiming as much is like blaming Laura Bush for Iraq. Come on.
Still, Trump is the one you're going to excuse, even though all of his products are made in China, as are those of his daughter.
Brilliant.
Still, Trump is the one you're going to excuse, even though all of his products are made in China, as are those of his daughter.
Brilliant.
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“Of course they don’t actually want Jews to die,” Mr. Dickerman said. “They want to shock.” His peers, he added, “are kids who don’t really know about the Holocaust.”
“And they don’t care about history,” he said. “And some of them think it’s funny.”
Revel in your foolishness.
“And they don’t care about history,” he said. “And some of them think it’s funny.”
Revel in your foolishness.
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Trump represent everything what is wrong with this country: corruption, sleazy dealings in real estate, complex legal maneuvers to get ahead, lying at any opportunity to get ahead. On top of that he is promising things that are plainly insane. He is already stepping on the Constitution more than all presidential candidates combined last few decades.
Yet, he is portrayed by his supporters as a savior and defender of American values. This is the end of this country.
Yet, he is portrayed by his supporters as a savior and defender of American values. This is the end of this country.
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There seem to be a lot of whites who dislike Obama because he is black (even though Obama is half white). I have yet to hear of blacks who dislike Obama because he's half white. Says a lot.
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There are a lot of whites who dislike Obama because he pushes policies that hurt them - not because he's black. There are also a lot of whites who dislike his followers because they think any attack on Obama is racist. One of the great things about this country is you are allowed (for now) to say bad things about your leaders if you disagree with them. Unfortunately that right has been choked off the last 8 years with cries of racism by the left. Every president I've lived through has taken a ton of heat. That's part of the job.
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It is frightening to see Trump appeal to the basest instincts in the American body politic. He is stirring up hate and fear - divisive, destabilizing attitudes. We are a nation of immigrants - recently non-white, non-Europeans from South and East Asia and South/Central America, Mexico and the MIddle East. Many are Catholic but some are Muslim, HIndu etc. Add to that the Black Lives Matter and LGBT advocates and it becomes disorienting for the middle-aged white men (and their families), especially when they believe their jobs are threatened by these more recent immigrants, by environmental laws, by globalization - they become unwitting victims of Trumpism - it is questionable if they even understand that Trumpism can do them little good. The GOP platform is moving further to the right - a sure formula to alienate more voters. The only silver lining is that the GOP will be thoroughly defeated, from the top of the ticket to the bottom. Only then will they be forced to reorient themselves towards the right-center of face marginalization. America, with its two-party system, needs center-right and center-left parties or a third party will arise to replace the GOP as the center-right party.
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The biggest problem whites in decline have is that they vote for the reasons they are in decline.
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As a liberal multiracial person, I have observed that multiculturalism has done a lot of good, but also had the unintended effect to teach a generation of white people that there is something valuable in every culture except their own. Whites today hear nothing positive associated with their background, it's all guilt and shame. As liberals, we need to teach that there are some positive ideas that came out of Europe, just like with every other continent. (Example, the ideals of rule of law, universal human rights). Otherwise white supremacists wil have a monopoly on that aspect of the conversation.
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We all bleed red. We all struggle to live & must deal with death. This divisiveness among races is well orchestrate & intentional. The question is who or what entity benefits from the disunity & racial tensions that are reaching high levels ? Who benefits politically ? Because at the end of the day it's never really about race, religion, or sexual orientation it's about power. Our nation has been directed into a dark corner & it will be the good people that will see the fraud & continue to use their intelligence & humanity to break its grip. It's all a nasty &!deatructice planned ruse. Let us find our way out of this mess & see truth, humanity, & hope. Otherwise we are on one way street to no where
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If past generations of Americans would have listened and given credence to people like Trump, there wouldn't be automobiles and we would still be riding on horse carriages. That's Trump's make America great again slogan.
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Anti-trade, Anti-Globalization, but just try and take away that 78" Flat Screen TV that only costs $800 because of Trade and Globalization and see what happens.
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The worst racist can still capably lead the nation. Every other sentence uttered by Truman started with an n; Eisenhower played rounds of golf in restricted country clubs laughing at racist jokes; Nixon's tapes left one wondering why a man who hated everyone chose to lead a nation.
Yet Truman desecrated the USAF; Eisenhower turned Federal troops loose on Little Rock; Nixon put teeth into Affirmative Action while protecting Israel during Yom Kippur War.
Yet Truman desecrated the USAF; Eisenhower turned Federal troops loose on Little Rock; Nixon put teeth into Affirmative Action while protecting Israel during Yom Kippur War.
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Meant desegregated :-)
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I'm anything but a Trump supporter. I find many of his messages appalling.
Yet I have a question.
Why is it that, to The New York Times, blacks who support Clinton because they are struggling with poverty are victims of racism, while whites who support Trump because they are struggling with poverty are racists?
Did The New York Times editorial board miss President Obama's speech in Dallas?
Yet I have a question.
Why is it that, to The New York Times, blacks who support Clinton because they are struggling with poverty are victims of racism, while whites who support Trump because they are struggling with poverty are racists?
Did The New York Times editorial board miss President Obama's speech in Dallas?
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A new Trump slogan: "Make America white again" .
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The hypocrisy from the left is astonishing. It takes nerve to live in a glass house while throwing stones at Trump. For instance here is a recent example: Justice
Ginsburg hypocritically says she might want to move to New Zealand if Trump is elected. Hello, New Zealand has STRICT immigration laws that they enforce to keep it a nice place! It's a points system heavily based on the highly-skilled. Age is also taken into account and at age 83 she'd be REJECTED because of being viewed as a burden on their healthcare system. They NEVER admit illiterate unskilled people and they don't tolerate millions of illegals. Anchor babies have been illegal for the past ten years, since 2006. Yet when Trump endorses enforcement of the same kind of immigration laws he's attacked and called racist!! NZ is also a very white country and if given her choice of residence she's expressed to be surrounded by a white society...tsk,tsk VERY RACIST OF HER. Yet she voted for illegal amnesty and to flood America with open borders.
Ginsburg hypocritically says she might want to move to New Zealand if Trump is elected. Hello, New Zealand has STRICT immigration laws that they enforce to keep it a nice place! It's a points system heavily based on the highly-skilled. Age is also taken into account and at age 83 she'd be REJECTED because of being viewed as a burden on their healthcare system. They NEVER admit illiterate unskilled people and they don't tolerate millions of illegals. Anchor babies have been illegal for the past ten years, since 2006. Yet when Trump endorses enforcement of the same kind of immigration laws he's attacked and called racist!! NZ is also a very white country and if given her choice of residence she's expressed to be surrounded by a white society...tsk,tsk VERY RACIST OF HER. Yet she voted for illegal amnesty and to flood America with open borders.
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Jimmy Carter (Dem.) banned all Iranians from the U.S. when he was President. Did that make him a 'Racist'/Bigot?
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This has been the Times lead article for two days now ?. I do not believe Trump is a racist... Although if you read this shamefully unfair article you would swear Trump is the grand wizard.... Seems like NYT editorial board is a little troubled by new polls?
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NYT: Yes I read you, yes I think you are great. BUT the coverage you give to Donald Trump's campaign is not news. It is completely slanted, biased, rhetorical propaganda. Shame.
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I am an Asian and I support Trump. I see Trump is doing it for the citizens of the United States. His opponents are mostly self-serving. No comparison, so clean cut!
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I can understand anyone who has been taken advantage of by the society, the lack of social mobility and the decline of potential income. However, the white people feel guilty of being white is erroneous. Nobody should feel guilty by their skin colors, the whites nor the blacks nor the browns. Yes, indeed, I do not know what it means to have a white privilege if it does not translate into the dollar signs. But at the moment the having a white privilege means not getting stopped or shot at by the police means a pretty good deal to me.
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Well, I see now that Trump has pulled even with Hillary Clinton in the polls. That's even faster than I had feared. Clinton is a disaster for the country because Trump is much, much worse. Her incompetence as a campaigner has been obvious from Day 1.
I hope that news organizations like the Times that rammed her down our throats while ignoring or deprecating Bernie Sanders, who is still far more popular in national polls than either Clinton or Trump, are really, really proud of what they did. I hope that all those older women who voted for her because she was a woman are really, really proud. I hope that all those southerners who voted for her because of provincialism are really, really proud.
Now, are we going to give the country over to someone who attacks women, Jews, Mexicans, war heroes, the handicapped, and black people, or are we going to recognize that Clinton is a loser? She should announce that, owing to the email scandal, she is stepping down, leaving the convention free to nominate Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden, any of whom could defeat Trump in s landslide.
Anything else is putting the country at terrible risk.
I hope that news organizations like the Times that rammed her down our throats while ignoring or deprecating Bernie Sanders, who is still far more popular in national polls than either Clinton or Trump, are really, really proud of what they did. I hope that all those older women who voted for her because she was a woman are really, really proud. I hope that all those southerners who voted for her because of provincialism are really, really proud.
Now, are we going to give the country over to someone who attacks women, Jews, Mexicans, war heroes, the handicapped, and black people, or are we going to recognize that Clinton is a loser? She should announce that, owing to the email scandal, she is stepping down, leaving the convention free to nominate Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden, any of whom could defeat Trump in s landslide.
Anything else is putting the country at terrible risk.
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I understand that you are frustrated, but attacking "older" women and Southern African Americans is not the way to go. You might want to note that those two groups are the most loyal Democratic constituents. The fact is that Sanders failed to form robust alliances with African American voters throughout his long career in politics, and that absence of relationships hurt him with that voting block. Is that the fault of African Americans? Frankly, I find it very odd that so many Bernie supporters are openly angry with black voters. Not so surprised by the anti-woman sentiments. Putting down women, especially older women, could be designated a national sport.
Some commenters on this article are saying that "if white folks are falling behind it's their own fault and they need to get smart." That's the same logic as "black folks are behind because they need to work harder and stop killing each other." Racism is everywhere no matter what your color or country. We all suffer from the same human condition; life is hard for everyone. We all struggle for different reasons, but we all struggle nonetheless. The great hope of civic multiculturalism in our society, something that I am proud of and feel that I embody as a mixed-race American, isn't being dismantled by racist alt-right white people or colored minorities. It's being dismantled by everyone who thinks that racism is trickle-down. Wake up people, we're all swimming in it and it's sad to see so many people who don't even know they're drowning.
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This is an over simplification but just bear with me. We have a Congress that authorized a law that allows U.S. companies to do business all over the world and as long as those same companies keep their profits (cash) overseas they can defer their income tax indefinitely. I would like to have a lifetime deferral, wouldn't you? This is why you have heard Obama say "the tax rules benefit companies doing business in other countries."
These cash-rich companies collectively have trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines and they are calling the shots worldwide. Add to this the fact that labor is cheaper in less developed countries and now we have millions in America that have lost their jobs.
We have huge inter-related corporate conglomerates that are essentially their own sovereign nations and as such they have purchased our Congress and State Reps resulting in a corrupt government.
Then we have our banksters and enormous hedge funds that have turned our markets into casinos and the house always wins.
We have the employed and the under-employed and unemployed who have suffered catastrophic economic losses. We are already aware that the rich are truly getting richer which leaves more and more people in this country fighting over the crumbs that the wealthy toss us.
Just imagine hungry dogs fighting over their position under the table waiting for crumbs to fall knowing that not enough will fall to satisfy their hunger. That is what is left of our country.
These cash-rich companies collectively have trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines and they are calling the shots worldwide. Add to this the fact that labor is cheaper in less developed countries and now we have millions in America that have lost their jobs.
We have huge inter-related corporate conglomerates that are essentially their own sovereign nations and as such they have purchased our Congress and State Reps resulting in a corrupt government.
Then we have our banksters and enormous hedge funds that have turned our markets into casinos and the house always wins.
We have the employed and the under-employed and unemployed who have suffered catastrophic economic losses. We are already aware that the rich are truly getting richer which leaves more and more people in this country fighting over the crumbs that the wealthy toss us.
Just imagine hungry dogs fighting over their position under the table waiting for crumbs to fall knowing that not enough will fall to satisfy their hunger. That is what is left of our country.
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So can we possibly make the tax rate a bit more sensible...!enticing even?
Everyone senses decline. Oh, maybe not the NYT's editorial writers, who mostly take their cues from the PR folks at the White House.
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The Trump supporters I met weren't racist or bigoted at all. In fact they seemed well-informed.
What they all shared is deep resentment of the "establishment" and wealthy elites controlling public policy and peoples' lives. Some can't stand the idea of his character as president, but accept him for some policy stances like Saudi Arabia, NATO, and trade, some of which overlaps with Sanders, Clinton even, and Obama in regards to Saudi Arabia. He's been a breath of fresh air for bringing all the problems out from under the rug that are silenced by liberal media outlets and gives those voters an outlet.
I have to confess, I agree with some but not all things Trump says and prefer him over corrupt Hillary. It's not about racism though that's how the media will try to frame it to get Hillary elected. If she needs this much propaganda from others to beat Sanders and Trump, is she really the president people want?
What they all shared is deep resentment of the "establishment" and wealthy elites controlling public policy and peoples' lives. Some can't stand the idea of his character as president, but accept him for some policy stances like Saudi Arabia, NATO, and trade, some of which overlaps with Sanders, Clinton even, and Obama in regards to Saudi Arabia. He's been a breath of fresh air for bringing all the problems out from under the rug that are silenced by liberal media outlets and gives those voters an outlet.
I have to confess, I agree with some but not all things Trump says and prefer him over corrupt Hillary. It's not about racism though that's how the media will try to frame it to get Hillary elected. If she needs this much propaganda from others to beat Sanders and Trump, is she really the president people want?
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This is all about racial "wedge issues", keeping us all divided.
These are distractions away from the real problem of wealth inequality.
United we are strong but divided we will fall.
These are distractions away from the real problem of wealth inequality.
United we are strong but divided we will fall.
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Trump is the last gasp of white supremacy/apatheid in America. Once he's defeated in November, America can move on to a glorious future with apartheid firmly in the rearview mirror. Young people are alraedy showing us the way in that they don;t see the point of racial division. They are truly our future.
White privilege should go away for good. The genie has been released and too many of us in minority groups are finally enjoying the American dream. We will NOT go back to being second-class citizens willingly just because whites are uncomfortable with our gains.
White privilege should go away for good. The genie has been released and too many of us in minority groups are finally enjoying the American dream. We will NOT go back to being second-class citizens willingly just because whites are uncomfortable with our gains.
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If you keep swallowing propaganda whole, you will be condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past. Its foolish to think selfishly that your gains are someone's loss. Isn't that kind of a no win for everyone trying to live a good life? When someone is telling you your gain is another's loss and you believe it, where do you think racism comes from? Beware of these ideological naysayers, they'd like to destroy the system that affords you those gains. Racism is another name for fear, and there are a lot of fear mongers on both side of the political spectrum. Don't worry, be happy.
I disagree as I think a type of American economic and political apartheid may be more of a reality unless minorities wake up and begin studying to not only become police officers like the Dallas chief said (in regards to being part of the solution) but also teachers, doctors/nurses, scientists, IT, lawyers/judges, businessman, and even politicians. We need them in these fields and to serve as both middle class role models for their people AND to help move this country forward. Whites will be in the minority in a few decades, but if they are still the vast majority in these occupations, we will be like the former South Africa. They need to step up NOW and have worthwhile goals. It will not be easy as studying and having self-discipline never is, but in the end, it will be worthwhile both individually and societally. As JFK said, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
The loss of jobs is mainly due to computerized automation. If you've ever seen that show on TV "How Things Are Made" you will see factory floors pumping out thousands upon thousands of products with no human intervention. Jobs weren't sent overseas. They were sent to the computer. Computers do everything today. Computers even make computers.
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I do not see that he has a solution. What I see is that he only brings more issue to the country. We have had too many issues already - we dont need someone who doesnt have skill, experience, temperament, and, taking into account the current social issues, compassion and tolerance, to be the President.
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Oh my Lord, New York Times. That headline is a shameful, shameful example of weasel-wording the truth to suck up to power. It's not resistance, it's just racism. C'mon, you can say it - racism.
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I promised not to listen to one word more from the mouth of Donald Trump after I realized he had nothing substantive or positive to say on any occasion when he spoke before an audience. A few times, I was fooled into listening to something he had been recorded saying, video and audio, and everything about Trump's divisive and hateful speech had not changed one iota! Why the American media has taken this long to realize the same thing I noted from the very beginning of Trump's campaign and character assassination of anyone who pricked his delicate sensibilities and thin skin can only be explained by one word: MONEY.
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Are white people afraid? I certainly hope so. I was born and raised in the South. In my 65 years I have witnessed the Civil Rights Movement, the extreme poverty and racism of warehoused minorities and the chipping away of any safety net that would offer a way out for those who sought a better life. Now we have a proliferation of easy gun ownership, low wages and hopelessness.........and we have the GOP blaming the victims of this mess. I applaud Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg for having the courage to speak the truth. And I am appalled at the NYTimes for calling her out for her honesty. Shame on your staff for caring so little about our country and what we are about to go through in November. This old white woman has seen a lot of con artists over the years, but I've never seen anything like Trump. We have hit bottom and begun to dig. God help us.
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After reading the daily garbage posted on Social Media and listening to what folks say in private, I thank my lucky stars every day I am a "white" person.
Reading this column, and even more the comments, I got a chill.
If Trump is terrible, then let's just say it's bad to demonize him and it's thoughtless to not show more compassion for those who are following him.
White males with a high school diploma or less were better of in 1970 than today. Elite people (it doesn't matter their color) have safely blamed these not wealthy white men for just about every problem in human history.
Don't you get that people who are treated with contempt will respond with contempt? What do you want these poor white men do? Disappear? What future do they have?
You can win the vote without them but there will be other Trumps.
If Trump is terrible, then let's just say it's bad to demonize him and it's thoughtless to not show more compassion for those who are following him.
White males with a high school diploma or less were better of in 1970 than today. Elite people (it doesn't matter their color) have safely blamed these not wealthy white men for just about every problem in human history.
Don't you get that people who are treated with contempt will respond with contempt? What do you want these poor white men do? Disappear? What future do they have?
You can win the vote without them but there will be other Trumps.
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You've just identified the problem. White males did better than everyone else in 1970 because of their privilege, which has slowly eroded, along with lower middle-class job opportunities. The sad thing is that income inequality in our country impacts all race groups (although not fairly, still. The top 1% are still disproportionately white) . Are we really supposed to single out 1970s white guy for special sympathy? They weren't too worried about their fellow American of the non-white variety, it seems to me, back in the day.
Locally I see people with "special interests" turning into politics... Once in a blue moon emerges someone with conscious to stand or confront those special interests. The country is a reflection of local politics. No one with right frame of mind will attempt to launch a political career. Both parties are plagued with sociopaths, egocentric, entitled, histrionic, and paranoid individuals.
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It is the STUPID MEDIA, like these reporters who make irresponsible statements regarding the comments Trump has made. Each one is a responsible attitude towards protecting Americans and our laws. They leave out the word TEMPORARY with the refugee issue. They do not list the hispanics like the one who KILLED Kate and broke our laws numerous times not to mention all the others in our prisons for rape and killing Americans! They distort everything he says, they are irresponsible gossip mongers, NOT reporters. The public is finally waking up to their corrupt misleading garbage that supports THEIR liberal agenda. Enough!!!
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Great article! But, Confessore misses an important nuance. These concerned white people are not generally bothered by the skin color of other groups; they are bothered by their illiteracy, poverty, and violence. If we'd gotten 11 million Mexican professors or Syrian physicians, nobody would be complaining.
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Well NYT, you did it, you brought out the closeted or not-so-closeted trump supporters out in the open comments section.
I think I wet my pants in fear and now am trying to think of how I can get away from my truly frightening fellow citizens. For the first time in my life, I want to run away and hide in a cave. I did not think there were this many mean-spirited, black-hearted, bile-laden people in this country. But it has suddenly turned into a sizable lynch mob.
I think I wet my pants in fear and now am trying to think of how I can get away from my truly frightening fellow citizens. For the first time in my life, I want to run away and hide in a cave. I did not think there were this many mean-spirited, black-hearted, bile-laden people in this country. But it has suddenly turned into a sizable lynch mob.
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Couldn't agree more. This is the most demoralizing and heart breaking outcome of a man who is whipping up a frenzied mob. This is an existential crises. Even my kids see Trump for who is he is - the bully they fear on the playground - and want to know why adults would give power to someone with such an ugly spirit who has NEVER done anything positive. Hillary for President. Get out and VOTE. (I wish my 8 yr old could vote too instead of feeling like we should move to a cave).
The great irony here is that working class whites are angry because they think the political establishment doesn't and will not listen to their concerns. And they certainly include Hillary Clinton as part of this establishment albeit, to them, a more hated and despised figure.
But as this in-depth piece over at Vox.com shows
http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadersh...
Hillary Clinton's greatest strength, one that is rare among politicians, is that she does listen. In fact it is central to who she is and is an important reason she was a successful US senator and will make a great president.
Donald Trump on the other hand is simply pretending he understands the concerns of working Americans and appeals only to their worst instincts in blaming those "others" for their ills. He will never listen, not really, and he will certainly never address their concerns.
Hillary Clinton will do both if she becomes president.
But as this in-depth piece over at Vox.com shows
http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadersh...
Hillary Clinton's greatest strength, one that is rare among politicians, is that she does listen. In fact it is central to who she is and is an important reason she was a successful US senator and will make a great president.
Donald Trump on the other hand is simply pretending he understands the concerns of working Americans and appeals only to their worst instincts in blaming those "others" for their ills. He will never listen, not really, and he will certainly never address their concerns.
Hillary Clinton will do both if she becomes president.
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Hillary didn't seem to listen when they said you can't use a private email server. She only listens when it benefits her and the Clinton Foundation, otherwise the rules don't apply.
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Nicholas, your editorial reads like an infomercial for Neonazis and white supremist... The Daily Stormer reference drop, and introduction to premier names of the modern white power movement. No doubt, they will love the NYT exposure.
Otherwise, the article is nothing more than an anto Trump smear piece, arguing that because white racial groups take one or two of Trump's ideas and internalize it to be a message spexific to them... Is at best irrational. In fact, Trump says so much which is broadcast by so many media... With oftem changing answers... There is a little bit for everyone to agree with something Trump has mentioned to the press. The little bit of everything is leveraged by those in print and talking heads on TV who mince and dissect the e minutiae of every Trump sound bite.
In contrast, Clinton doesn't embrace the press... Some criticize her lack of candour... But perhaps the recently concluded examination of her email scandal is indefensible... And she has chosen to ignore it to death... The trouble is it leaves her detracrors and moderates ro dwell on her lack of trustworthiness. Trump says so much, so often, he isn't pinned down for more than the 24hr news cycle.... There is always something new... Which adds up to a sum of ideation that is accomidated in the minds of voters... With Clinton, the average (and thete are millions of average voters) know something was wrong about Benghazi and that she lied about her home email set.
Otherwise, the article is nothing more than an anto Trump smear piece, arguing that because white racial groups take one or two of Trump's ideas and internalize it to be a message spexific to them... Is at best irrational. In fact, Trump says so much which is broadcast by so many media... With oftem changing answers... There is a little bit for everyone to agree with something Trump has mentioned to the press. The little bit of everything is leveraged by those in print and talking heads on TV who mince and dissect the e minutiae of every Trump sound bite.
In contrast, Clinton doesn't embrace the press... Some criticize her lack of candour... But perhaps the recently concluded examination of her email scandal is indefensible... And she has chosen to ignore it to death... The trouble is it leaves her detracrors and moderates ro dwell on her lack of trustworthiness. Trump says so much, so often, he isn't pinned down for more than the 24hr news cycle.... There is always something new... Which adds up to a sum of ideation that is accomidated in the minds of voters... With Clinton, the average (and thete are millions of average voters) know something was wrong about Benghazi and that she lied about her home email set.
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Yes, Donald Trump is leading a movement that can be left for broad and flexible interpretation; nevertheless, the media will never cease to mention the campaign. One must be smart, the facts are not always present and he or she who draws an opinion or conclusion about any candidate must understand the intent of the given ideas. Donald Trump's intent is a better America, an actual society with strong borders and security.
Yes, many may call him a racist, but 'banning muslims' has reasoning behind it. His intent is to keep America safe. He is not intending to divide the world. Americans must understand that, yes not all Muslims are terrorists, but given the current situation and the dangerous state of that specific region, we as Americans must understand that only one bad-egg can kill hundreds- potentially thousands. Americans are always quick to help others, but we must protect ourselves first.
Yes, he is white, but inspiring a group of people which happens to not be a minority and calling that a divisive movement to America's racial liberty is utterly insane. The same idea of racial unification and revolution is also present in the Black Lives Matter movement, though why is BLM not a racist force? Because African-Americans are minorities, and to say whites are not entitled to the same self-purpose is ridiculous; nevertheless, against the values of most (and hopefully all) Americans.
Yes, many may call him a racist, but 'banning muslims' has reasoning behind it. His intent is to keep America safe. He is not intending to divide the world. Americans must understand that, yes not all Muslims are terrorists, but given the current situation and the dangerous state of that specific region, we as Americans must understand that only one bad-egg can kill hundreds- potentially thousands. Americans are always quick to help others, but we must protect ourselves first.
Yes, he is white, but inspiring a group of people which happens to not be a minority and calling that a divisive movement to America's racial liberty is utterly insane. The same idea of racial unification and revolution is also present in the Black Lives Matter movement, though why is BLM not a racist force? Because African-Americans are minorities, and to say whites are not entitled to the same self-purpose is ridiculous; nevertheless, against the values of most (and hopefully all) Americans.
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Finally they will be able to openly mock a disabled person while wishing that person a Merry Christmas.
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To me the Cult of Trump is the last gasp of the AWM (Angry White Male). The AWM feels his country is being taken away from him, when in reality, he hasn't been able to adapt to an ever-changing country and world. Someone (immigrants? minorities? politicians? corporations?) moved his cheese and left him dazed and confused. Soon the AWM will become a minority in America, and this scares the heck out of him. Along comes Trump and promises to return all that he feels is rightfully his in America. But those days are gone forever, and the sooner the AWM accepts that and embraces change, the sooner he can move on to improve his own life and country, and not be angry anymore.
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This is possibly one of the most sad and depressing articles I've read in this paper in a while. Maybe I don't get it because I live in NYC, a richly multi-cultural place where I gladly encounter all races and religions on a daily basis. But the limited, short-sighted, unimaginative, close minded, unquestioning, incapable of nuance, and just plain simplistic views held by the the "whites" discussed here is so deflating and sad. What may be even worse is the media's focus on this point, i.e. the "whites sensing decline". Not only does it seem to give credence to such unenlightened views, it succumbs to D.T.'s obvious attempt to divert intention from important issues, and from his record/character, by making clearly incendiary and ridiculous comments. His constant throwing of divisive grenades is clearly both a marketing ploy and a way of keeping the intention off real issues. Instead of all this newsprint wasted on this unsolvable issue of race, why aren't we as a society talking about the real issues that affect all sexes, race and religions - education and job training, job security, unions, equal pay, infrastructure repair, clean energy, securing social security, making sure that Obamacare is extended and secure so that everyone has insurance, etc. Frankly I'm sick of his hijacking of the issues. He is inciting racism and hate, as a means of avoiding the topics we should be talking about.
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NYT is dead set against Trump but just remember if Trump loses he will be back in 2020 with a large majority because Hilarious has carried on 'business as usual'. If he loses she WILL have to address the problems he has drawn attention to. Or see Trumo win in 2020.
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Of course kids don't think the Holocaust is a big deal. To them, it's just black and white video on the History Channel. Most have led such insular lives that they can't imagine the Daily struggle to survive that most of the rest of the world is all too familiar with. More's the pity. Human nature (sigh).
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Delusional much? You are completely missing the point of Trump's success. It is not in any way about white grievance culture. Trump's fans are allergic to grievance culture. They do not appreciate any form of ideological extremism or the faux emotional tactics used by the left to distract us from policy.
Trump is very popular with many people of color, in case you didn't know this. You are simply not paying attention.
You, like most lefties, have spent so many years maligning your political opponents that you have come to believe your own lies. By and large, American people are not racist and are not race-obsessed. It is the social justice warriors, like yourself, who are obsessed with race and who imagine they see racism everywhere. What you write tells us far more about you than about Trump or his supporters, who you do not seem to recognize at all.
Trump is very popular with many people of color, in case you didn't know this. You are simply not paying attention.
You, like most lefties, have spent so many years maligning your political opponents that you have come to believe your own lies. By and large, American people are not racist and are not race-obsessed. It is the social justice warriors, like yourself, who are obsessed with race and who imagine they see racism everywhere. What you write tells us far more about you than about Trump or his supporters, who you do not seem to recognize at all.
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So, tell me. Exactly WHAT are you for? An unethical business man who is a blow hard? You are insane to think this guy will do anything for you. Delusional much?
Many people, the media included, seem to have come to the conclusion that because Trump's followers include racists, Trump himself must be racist.
I don't think that's accurate, and I don't think a candidate needs to "disavow" any citizen supporting him or her. That could get time consuming.
To take it a step further, because some of Trump's followers are racist - and don't they always get the most attention? - all of Trump's supporters must be fed-up, poorly educated, white racists.
Sez who? A lot of people, a lot more than the polls reveal, likely support Trump but are keeping that to themselves until November when they vote.
And vote they will. And most of them can't stand the thought of another Clinton in the WH. Angry people show up to vote, and people who want to vote against another candidate turn out in large numbers on Election Day.
The polls truly mean nothing in this most unconventional election. No one should be surprised if DT's new home is the WH come January.
I don't think that's accurate, and I don't think a candidate needs to "disavow" any citizen supporting him or her. That could get time consuming.
To take it a step further, because some of Trump's followers are racist - and don't they always get the most attention? - all of Trump's supporters must be fed-up, poorly educated, white racists.
Sez who? A lot of people, a lot more than the polls reveal, likely support Trump but are keeping that to themselves until November when they vote.
And vote they will. And most of them can't stand the thought of another Clinton in the WH. Angry people show up to vote, and people who want to vote against another candidate turn out in large numbers on Election Day.
The polls truly mean nothing in this most unconventional election. No one should be surprised if DT's new home is the WH come January.
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And that crowd blames Obama for the racial divisions in the country...
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*stops, thinks about it for a few seconds, heads out to the golf course in his cargo shorts to ponder nothing for 5 hours*
Tell us one thing Obama has done to UNITE this country in the last 8 years.
I'm not a fan of either candidate this year, but isn't it sad that 43% of the voters side w Mr. Trump- and Hillary gets off for what otherwise would have been a serious criminal offense for what her husband deems "ordinary people"?
Tell us one thing Obama has done to UNITE this country in the last 8 years.
I'm not a fan of either candidate this year, but isn't it sad that 43% of the voters side w Mr. Trump- and Hillary gets off for what otherwise would have been a serious criminal offense for what her husband deems "ordinary people"?
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Democracy is an ambiguous concept at best, in the USA in the beginning it only had meaning for white males with property holding. Slowly included others but has been trimmed down again and again, and in the world following Citizens United it clearly is a commodity purchased by those who care to buy a share. Politicking has become so expensive that the first task after lucky being elected is to send thanks to those rich donors and hire assistances to collect for the next contest. Trump, like Sanders, seems to have jumped to a broader support system and thus is again redefining Democracy. Interesting times.
We all should cheer that whether we like the expected outcome or not, right? Vote or don’t vote but don’t whine over the outcome. Like this clipped this from the New Yorker on line:
“I’ve never before imagined America as fragile, as an experiment that could, within my very lifetime, fail. But I imagine it that way now.”
George Saunders
We all should cheer that whether we like the expected outcome or not, right? Vote or don’t vote but don’t whine over the outcome. Like this clipped this from the New Yorker on line:
“I’ve never before imagined America as fragile, as an experiment that could, within my very lifetime, fail. But I imagine it that way now.”
George Saunders
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Donald Trump's so called "Breech of Boundaries" just isn't so. Those boundaries were breached in deeds long ago by the GOP; Donald merely verbalizes what the GOP has done for decades.
No; Donald isn't selling white people anything. He is the voice of what so many already feel. So many commentaries and political experts are squeezing their collective brain cells together to find an alternative *reason* why every white demographic shows a preference for Donald Trump; including ( as another Times article points out) White Evangelical Christians overwhelmingly support Donald and his message: How can Christ-Followers do this? In every circumstance: bigotry and racism is the underlying factor. Prove it ain't so:
Blacks, other minorities and undocumented immigrants didn't end white's ability to secure well-paying Union jobs; minorities have always been on the bottom economic and labor rungs. White are now there [too] and must compete for service-sector table scraps. Blacks and others didn't destroy affordable housing; now whites must also compete for the bottom rungs of available housing and virtually every other aspect of the table-scraps of society.
The White-Tribe must blame someone but it is quite ludicrous to blame those with the least power. and neglecting to acknowledge they are [still] better off in America that those they lay blame upon.
No; Donald isn't selling white people anything. He is the voice of what so many already feel. So many commentaries and political experts are squeezing their collective brain cells together to find an alternative *reason* why every white demographic shows a preference for Donald Trump; including ( as another Times article points out) White Evangelical Christians overwhelmingly support Donald and his message: How can Christ-Followers do this? In every circumstance: bigotry and racism is the underlying factor. Prove it ain't so:
Blacks, other minorities and undocumented immigrants didn't end white's ability to secure well-paying Union jobs; minorities have always been on the bottom economic and labor rungs. White are now there [too] and must compete for service-sector table scraps. Blacks and others didn't destroy affordable housing; now whites must also compete for the bottom rungs of available housing and virtually every other aspect of the table-scraps of society.
The White-Tribe must blame someone but it is quite ludicrous to blame those with the least power. and neglecting to acknowledge they are [still] better off in America that those they lay blame upon.
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Clinton gets a pass on this issue. It's worth recalling that in 2008, part of her argument for election was that Obama was incapable of winning the votes of "working people, hard working white people". Members of her campaign made the argument that Obama could not win without support from the white working class. e.g. Paul Begala's claim that Obama was only winning the votes of "egg-heads and African-Americans" and was therefore unelectable as a general election candidate.
This election, eight years later, a large part of her initial argument was predicated on the racially charged argument that her opponent was only winning "white states". Same tactic and same racially charged frame-work, just in a different direction, because the opportunistic calculation played in another direction. Trump speaks in more overtly racist language, but Clinton's use of racial politics as a wedge, is poisonous in its own way. If a candidate has spent four months in a party primary speaking with the language of racial exclusion and division, it's not credible to turn around and then talk about how we're "all in this together" months later. Neither of these candidates won their primaries with a language of inclusion, as Obama did in 2008.
This election, eight years later, a large part of her initial argument was predicated on the racially charged argument that her opponent was only winning "white states". Same tactic and same racially charged frame-work, just in a different direction, because the opportunistic calculation played in another direction. Trump speaks in more overtly racist language, but Clinton's use of racial politics as a wedge, is poisonous in its own way. If a candidate has spent four months in a party primary speaking with the language of racial exclusion and division, it's not credible to turn around and then talk about how we're "all in this together" months later. Neither of these candidates won their primaries with a language of inclusion, as Obama did in 2008.
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It is natural for racial groups to express anger or fear when they feel attacked and subdued influence.
In cities throughout the US, racial groups have segregated for centuries. Little Italy or China Town, whites do the same. When white communities feel invaded by other ethnicities they react the same way Chinese would if the Polish were pushing in. Also, people don't seem to call the Japanese racist for the policies they have in place to deter immigration of other races. Are Eastern Europeans racist for not wanting to take in middle eastern immigrants ? They simply don't have the social welfare resources. That doesn't make them heartless and racist.
We are animals and group each other by many means, whether that be race, religion, or political alignment. The racial war that is going on is a natural reaction to global economic and demographic changes (fewer resources, slower economic growth, 7.4 billion people)
We are animals in a constant struggle for survival. Whites have had it better than most for a long time and are loosing a bit of a grip on power. Is it wrong for them to be angry and want to hold onto that grip? Would you be complacent if your company was loosing sales every year or retirement account going nowhere but down? Even if you had more $ than you ever needed, you wouldn't voluntarily hand it to you competitor. Life is competition. This is no excuse for violence and hatred but whens ones food security is in jeopardy, what do you think will happen?
In cities throughout the US, racial groups have segregated for centuries. Little Italy or China Town, whites do the same. When white communities feel invaded by other ethnicities they react the same way Chinese would if the Polish were pushing in. Also, people don't seem to call the Japanese racist for the policies they have in place to deter immigration of other races. Are Eastern Europeans racist for not wanting to take in middle eastern immigrants ? They simply don't have the social welfare resources. That doesn't make them heartless and racist.
We are animals and group each other by many means, whether that be race, religion, or political alignment. The racial war that is going on is a natural reaction to global economic and demographic changes (fewer resources, slower economic growth, 7.4 billion people)
We are animals in a constant struggle for survival. Whites have had it better than most for a long time and are loosing a bit of a grip on power. Is it wrong for them to be angry and want to hold onto that grip? Would you be complacent if your company was loosing sales every year or retirement account going nowhere but down? Even if you had more $ than you ever needed, you wouldn't voluntarily hand it to you competitor. Life is competition. This is no excuse for violence and hatred but whens ones food security is in jeopardy, what do you think will happen?
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As a traditionally left leaning independent, let me be the first to say: thank you for the first balanced examination of the Trump phenomenon I've seen. The undisguised disdain for a vast segment of the American people by the media has been shameful and calls into question its ability to report impartially.
Trump as a person is not a valid option for President. *But* he is the only person with the hutzpah to present some viable questions to the American people, which have been strangely taboo in polite company for too long. He's the first candidate of the modern era to question whether illegal immigration is actually good for existing Americans, and whether it is more practical than cruel to prevent it. He's also implicitly questioning whether whites as a culture also have a right to celebrate themselves, represent their own interests, and advocate for them, as does every other interest group.
It's really the logical end of thirty years of identity politics. Whites are simply the last to join the party, but the sleeping giant has awoken.
As a white male millennial living in New York, with exclusively liberal friends, I'm annoyed when people openly pass over valid white/male/cis work candidates for the sake of 'diversity,' as though it's (or legal). Or use the term "white" in the pejorative, as though it's fine because we're "punching up." If the progressive movement can't reform it's arrogant attitude towards people with valid concerns, it will lose me and many others.
Trump as a person is not a valid option for President. *But* he is the only person with the hutzpah to present some viable questions to the American people, which have been strangely taboo in polite company for too long. He's the first candidate of the modern era to question whether illegal immigration is actually good for existing Americans, and whether it is more practical than cruel to prevent it. He's also implicitly questioning whether whites as a culture also have a right to celebrate themselves, represent their own interests, and advocate for them, as does every other interest group.
It's really the logical end of thirty years of identity politics. Whites are simply the last to join the party, but the sleeping giant has awoken.
As a white male millennial living in New York, with exclusively liberal friends, I'm annoyed when people openly pass over valid white/male/cis work candidates for the sake of 'diversity,' as though it's (or legal). Or use the term "white" in the pejorative, as though it's fine because we're "punching up." If the progressive movement can't reform it's arrogant attitude towards people with valid concerns, it will lose me and many others.
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Well said, Nathan B. You are finally see the light. Please bring other milleniels with you!
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I just have one question; not deeply evocative but...
Nathan, where was your voice when people were openly hired-read white men, simply because of the color of their skin and not necessarily their intellectual ability or professional experience over a non-white person. Or how applications were coded with "All-American" to indicate the job applicant was white? Or in the reverse when applicants who may have been just as qualified for a position were passed over because their name sounded ethnic.
From where I'm sitting Nathan, maybe it's not so much the arrogance of Progressive that fills you with disdainful angst. Maybe it's arrogance and fear of losing what some have assumed to be their birthright.
Nathan, where was your voice when people were openly hired-read white men, simply because of the color of their skin and not necessarily their intellectual ability or professional experience over a non-white person. Or how applications were coded with "All-American" to indicate the job applicant was white? Or in the reverse when applicants who may have been just as qualified for a position were passed over because their name sounded ethnic.
From where I'm sitting Nathan, maybe it's not so much the arrogance of Progressive that fills you with disdainful angst. Maybe it's arrogance and fear of losing what some have assumed to be their birthright.
The most prominent group of racists are those who support affirmative action. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment says that all states shall grant the equal protection of the laws to folks of all races - including the Caucasians and Asians that affirmative action discriminates against.
Once, AA may have been justifiable as a means of remedying past discrimination against ethnic minorities. But no more - today's rationale is to promote "diversity." Equality under the law is a protected right under our Constitution. Diversity is not. If you believe diversity is important, the correct approach is to try to amend the constitution. Ignoring the clear language of the constitution is not appropriate.
The Supreme Court has, of course, ruled that AA by public universities is allowable, a ruling which disregards the language of the 14th amendment. This was a decision founded in the political philosophy of the liberal block of the court, and was not based on the word of law. Anyone who believes the justices answer to a higher calling than politics should read the interview with Justice Ginsberg that appeared in Sunday's Times.
The Supreme Court has become more than a judicial court; it has become the supreme law making body in the nation. Yet, the justices are not elected by the people, and they serve lifetime terms. Our next president will likely appoint several justices.
I am not sure I can support Mr. Trump, but I also fear 3 decades of a Clinton SCOTUS.
Once, AA may have been justifiable as a means of remedying past discrimination against ethnic minorities. But no more - today's rationale is to promote "diversity." Equality under the law is a protected right under our Constitution. Diversity is not. If you believe diversity is important, the correct approach is to try to amend the constitution. Ignoring the clear language of the constitution is not appropriate.
The Supreme Court has, of course, ruled that AA by public universities is allowable, a ruling which disregards the language of the 14th amendment. This was a decision founded in the political philosophy of the liberal block of the court, and was not based on the word of law. Anyone who believes the justices answer to a higher calling than politics should read the interview with Justice Ginsberg that appeared in Sunday's Times.
The Supreme Court has become more than a judicial court; it has become the supreme law making body in the nation. Yet, the justices are not elected by the people, and they serve lifetime terms. Our next president will likely appoint several justices.
I am not sure I can support Mr. Trump, but I also fear 3 decades of a Clinton SCOTUS.
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I think 3 decades of a Clintin SCOTUS would be enough for you and others to not vote for her!
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Affirmative action has never been justifiable -- not even in the past,
not even to remedy past discrimination against non-whites.
Why not?
Because, by it's very nature, it has always been robbing Peter to pay Paul --
robbing individual whites -- robbing them in evaluations for colleges and employment -- whites who themselves did nothing to hinder Paul.
not even to remedy past discrimination against non-whites.
Why not?
Because, by it's very nature, it has always been robbing Peter to pay Paul --
robbing individual whites -- robbing them in evaluations for colleges and employment -- whites who themselves did nothing to hinder Paul.
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The left has so completely hyphenated everyone – separated everyone, labeled their pains, coded their victim status, identified triggers and yet to be funded programs to sooth them. It’s all done scientifically and empathetically. Class filum chordata - all of us. Each and every hyphenated distinction must be surrounded by soothing words and reinforcement of their various victim status.. Even the heretics, as this article attempts, can be labeled and filed; angry, white, racist, hater.
Just a 100 years ago two of the most brilliant men ever to hold the office of President, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson (yes I know he was a racist), warned the progressive movement against hyphenating Americans. Roosevelt and Wilson are completely discredited, acknowledge the hyphens, feel their pain, admit your guilt, lower yourself to raise them up and most importantly of all be silent.
Just a 100 years ago two of the most brilliant men ever to hold the office of President, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson (yes I know he was a racist), warned the progressive movement against hyphenating Americans. Roosevelt and Wilson are completely discredited, acknowledge the hyphens, feel their pain, admit your guilt, lower yourself to raise them up and most importantly of all be silent.
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Democrats believe they have cornered the market on demographics, which is why they pursue identity politics. They need America divided to win.
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The answer is more blue collar jobs for construction in rebuilding transportation infrastructure because such jobs can't be outsourced. Power lines, alternative energy grids, rail, and highway systems.
Here's the rub. Those 'bucket trucks' I pass on the road owned by Con Ed, or National Grid, with 'Trump' bumper stickers on the back - are driven by not very highly educated white men who don't want people of color to share in those jobs. Trump is trying to make the old 'Southern Democrat' racist dog offer.
He is trying to promise that he'll 'make sure' those jobs stay 'mostly white.' If those jobs are split in a demographically equal way - it will likely mean that the white men who believe those jobs are there preserve will be displaced by equally qualified workers - women, and non-white men. That is equal rights.
So that's Trump's bitter equation. He's a white, huckster, fraudulent, lying, George Wallace who won't deliver. But, he'll gladly leave the rest of us with the mess to clean up after.
Here's the rub. Those 'bucket trucks' I pass on the road owned by Con Ed, or National Grid, with 'Trump' bumper stickers on the back - are driven by not very highly educated white men who don't want people of color to share in those jobs. Trump is trying to make the old 'Southern Democrat' racist dog offer.
He is trying to promise that he'll 'make sure' those jobs stay 'mostly white.' If those jobs are split in a demographically equal way - it will likely mean that the white men who believe those jobs are there preserve will be displaced by equally qualified workers - women, and non-white men. That is equal rights.
So that's Trump's bitter equation. He's a white, huckster, fraudulent, lying, George Wallace who won't deliver. But, he'll gladly leave the rest of us with the mess to clean up after.
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This is the problem with the Progressives. They label any tradespeople as uneducated because they lack at least a BA or a BS. I've news for you. The trades are full of these educated people who entered the trades because there is more job security in them and better chances at self employment. Education can be achieved in real life and many people are doing it online.
Why would anyone want to work for the major corporations with their layoffs of thousands just to raise the stock price? I've been there and done that. I started a business in 1985 after being laid off after 16 years with a major corporation. I worked harder but the control I had over my income and life was a lot better than being a wage slave for AT&T.
Anyone with half a brain could see where the corporations were going as you watched all the mergers that created debt heavy businesses that no longer cared about employees who became an expense to be shed. They took the jobs to whatever country had the cheapest labor rates and didn't care how shoddy the products they produced became. As long as the top floor gets its outrageous earnings everything is OK.
Don't underestimate us. Were a lot smarter than you think. It doesn't take a college degree to know when you are being shafted.
Why would anyone want to work for the major corporations with their layoffs of thousands just to raise the stock price? I've been there and done that. I started a business in 1985 after being laid off after 16 years with a major corporation. I worked harder but the control I had over my income and life was a lot better than being a wage slave for AT&T.
Anyone with half a brain could see where the corporations were going as you watched all the mergers that created debt heavy businesses that no longer cared about employees who became an expense to be shed. They took the jobs to whatever country had the cheapest labor rates and didn't care how shoddy the products they produced became. As long as the top floor gets its outrageous earnings everything is OK.
Don't underestimate us. Were a lot smarter than you think. It doesn't take a college degree to know when you are being shafted.
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Wow. That's a stretch of an argument from your misinterpretation of Trump!
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So now wanting to hold onto one's job is "racist"? How soon merely for breathing will white males will be charged with denying oxygen to minorities?
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I love America. And I accept it for what it is. A complex place with a short, brutal and very, very ugly history.
Trump is not stirring up racial hatred in America or making it worse. What he is doing is honestly and openly taking advantage of something we as a country like to forget: our great, great grandparents struck an ugly, imperfect deal to keep the country together. Now we are unwinding that deal, which is naturally upsetting to some people. Trump is speaking up for them.
The deal went like this. After the U.S. decimated a rebel army fighting to set up a slave empire, it told the losers: you cant own other people anymore, sorry. But if you want to hate and oppress those people you used to own: cool. We'll just sorta look the other way. And honestly, we don't care much for them either. We only freed them because ya'll forced our hand here. Now please don't try and leave America again.
I'm simplifying, but that is the gist of it. It is ugly. And it is the damn truth. Racism and white supremacy - ugly as it sounds - are actually what kept America together after it almost broke apart. We could have no union, or a racist union. We chose option B.
This is not something we like to recognize. But a lot of people alive today were raised when this pact was not just intuitively understood, but legally established.
Now the U.S. is finally, emphatically saying: you cant have your White supremacy anymore. Obviously this is not going to go over well.
Trump is not stirring up racial hatred in America or making it worse. What he is doing is honestly and openly taking advantage of something we as a country like to forget: our great, great grandparents struck an ugly, imperfect deal to keep the country together. Now we are unwinding that deal, which is naturally upsetting to some people. Trump is speaking up for them.
The deal went like this. After the U.S. decimated a rebel army fighting to set up a slave empire, it told the losers: you cant own other people anymore, sorry. But if you want to hate and oppress those people you used to own: cool. We'll just sorta look the other way. And honestly, we don't care much for them either. We only freed them because ya'll forced our hand here. Now please don't try and leave America again.
I'm simplifying, but that is the gist of it. It is ugly. And it is the damn truth. Racism and white supremacy - ugly as it sounds - are actually what kept America together after it almost broke apart. We could have no union, or a racist union. We chose option B.
This is not something we like to recognize. But a lot of people alive today were raised when this pact was not just intuitively understood, but legally established.
Now the U.S. is finally, emphatically saying: you cant have your White supremacy anymore. Obviously this is not going to go over well.
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Honestly, what is there to love in your version of events? Did you preface your article with "I love America" so that it would be less offensive or less painful or less divisive? What is it about the USA (actually we are not "America" as that defines an entire continent) that you love? You didn't get to that. You've listed quite a bit about what you hate. Now what is it you love? If you don't love, then why begin your article with an obviously contrived and completely false declaration of love. You FORGET that when you say you love, you must also explain why you love. Here, you have explained really well why you hate. Bravo. If you thought you were being original, you are mistaken.
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Are these the same whites that for decades- recited the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mantra - to any and all aggrieved peoples? Aren't these the same whites that denigrate others for their grievances? How, blacks have heard, "Slavery is over; you people just want handouts". "You want better- work for it".
I still fail to comprehend what-exactly do they believe they are *missing out on* that Blacks and other minorities are getting: Inferior schools for their children; discriminatory lending and housing; zero call-backs for job interviews; Stop & Frisk; Broken Windows Policing; harsher justice...
If this is what *angry whites* are wanting- I will GLADLY had it over.
I still fail to comprehend what-exactly do they believe they are *missing out on* that Blacks and other minorities are getting: Inferior schools for their children; discriminatory lending and housing; zero call-backs for job interviews; Stop & Frisk; Broken Windows Policing; harsher justice...
If this is what *angry whites* are wanting- I will GLADLY had it over.
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Power. Undereducated white men want the power they perceive minorities to have. It doesn't matter whether they still have more power than minorities. They have less power then their own grandparents had. Minorities have more power than their own grandparents had. It isn't fair and they want it back. Truth be told they would rather have the power educated white rich men have... But that would be communism which is evil. Racism is more okay because that's survival of the fittest and perfectly natural. Who *wouldn't* hate someone who looks different than you? That's just crazy talk.
I pass along this story second-hand, but the person who told it t swears that it's true. A white college professor asked the white students in her class, "Any of you who would prefer to be black in today's America, please stand." No one did. If that doesn't speak to the reality of the problems Trump in inflaming, nothing does. I blame this sad summer of discontent squarely on him and all the other race-baiters and haters who surf on his wake.
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Exactly, white supremacist hypocrisy at its finest. Or how about every time black people attempt to assert themselves its "go back to Africa" ... but don't let somebody say "well if you want to be European so bad, then go back to Europe" ...
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You know what is great?
A lot of whites who anticipate a greater and better future by appealing to our common humanity.
That is the pathway to the future, and not the despicable display of racism and demagoguery we have seen by Trump and his ignorant supporters.
A lot of whites who anticipate a greater and better future by appealing to our common humanity.
That is the pathway to the future, and not the despicable display of racism and demagoguery we have seen by Trump and his ignorant supporters.
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Trump supporters are a lot like a homeowners association. Only instead of telling you what color you can paint your house, they want to tell you what color your skin should be, and what religion you should follow, and what country your parents should have come from. In a way, they want a world of "political correctness" run wild...as long as the PC code is only used to punish minorities for being who they are.
Basically, Trump wants America to be SMALL. Not in size but in spirit. I hope that most of us would rather live in an America which is large in every sense.
If you're wondering about the practical consequences of a Trump presidency, look at the "Brexit" vote. Little England can henceforth speak with its own voice, but it's already finding that the rest of the world isn't interested in the words of a backward-looking island of racist snobs. That's why the British economy is imploding, along with its moral stature and its cultural clout. Likewise, a Trump America dominated by our very own racist snob homeowners association will head into a downward spiral of lost influence, both material and moral. Enough reason to vote for somebody else. The proverbial yellow dog will do just fine, thanks.
Basically, Trump wants America to be SMALL. Not in size but in spirit. I hope that most of us would rather live in an America which is large in every sense.
If you're wondering about the practical consequences of a Trump presidency, look at the "Brexit" vote. Little England can henceforth speak with its own voice, but it's already finding that the rest of the world isn't interested in the words of a backward-looking island of racist snobs. That's why the British economy is imploding, along with its moral stature and its cultural clout. Likewise, a Trump America dominated by our very own racist snob homeowners association will head into a downward spiral of lost influence, both material and moral. Enough reason to vote for somebody else. The proverbial yellow dog will do just fine, thanks.
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Stop drinking the media's kool aid that Trump is a racist!
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I love this notion that men of a country shouldn't be upset or "disgruntled" by being demographically displaced.
"Just a bunch of angry white guys who are upset their countries are being stolen from them, their women being turned against them, being the only group that is allowed to be criticized, having to live with higher than normal crime rates and civil unrest, being discriminated against in hiring practices, openly targeted for violence, told they have no history, wait yes they do but it's all evil, and having to pay for it all. Such pathetic losers. White males, psh. Global minority and obviously priviliged, Facebook told me so.
"Just a bunch of angry white guys who are upset their countries are being stolen from them, their women being turned against them, being the only group that is allowed to be criticized, having to live with higher than normal crime rates and civil unrest, being discriminated against in hiring practices, openly targeted for violence, told they have no history, wait yes they do but it's all evil, and having to pay for it all. Such pathetic losers. White males, psh. Global minority and obviously priviliged, Facebook told me so.
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They have every right to be upset. And absolutely no obligation to acknowledge that their suffering, at being displaced, pales in comparison not only to the historical suffering their great grandparents generation caused minorities, but *continues* to pale in comparison to the suffering their race *continues* to cause minorities to this modern day... And will continue to cause the longer they pretend "equality" has somehow already been achieved.
I haven't seen that on Facebook. Maybe it's the voices in your head. You should have that looked at.
I am impressed that so many Trump supporters are commenting on this article, and getting the highest recommendations in the NYT Comments section. Are you all coming out to respond when Trump gets mentioned? It would appear so. Well, have at it, but you still have it wrong, and Trump is a liar and bad businessman. You must see how ethically challenged he is, but you hate Hill, so he's your man I guess.
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I think your comment would get the award for saying absolutely nothing. Trump won out against sixteen other Republican candidates and Hillary Clinton wasn't one of them.
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Is it a surprise to. Anyone that Trump's support continues to surge? Our country is on the decline. Values and social norms are attacked and being eroded. Politics, political correctness, and racial/ethnic/religious identity trump (no pun intended) all. The media, self-serving leaders, shill politicans, and the power/moneyed elite have destroyed our institutional foundations and bonds of unity. Sad.
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"Whites" have always had to have someone over whom they can feel superior... and the lower the education and income, the more imperative the need. What did those polls show who made up the base of the Trump supporters again?
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I'm White and neither I or any of my White aquaintances have the need to feel superior to any one.
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Or maybe the people a little or quite a bit above those you stereotype are just better at hiding their prejudices. I am no fan of Trump and his fomenting of hate, nor of his supporters that support hate. But, I find some of the classist comments about his supporters very telling. Maybe we really should look at their issues and ask why they are underachieving educationally and economically. Instead of writing them off, maybe liberals need to think about really listening to what many Trump supporters are saying. Not referring to the white supremacists and others profiled in the article, but to the "mainstream" of his supporters, why write them off?
With all of the suffering and deaths of those dealing with police, of police themselves and the wrenching two weeks this country has experienced, isn't it obvious that as many Americans as possible have to be part of the solution? Or is it only the "enlightened" white liberal who needs to be included in the dialogue? Hint: the answer is not yes.
And I say that as a white liberal...
With all of the suffering and deaths of those dealing with police, of police themselves and the wrenching two weeks this country has experienced, isn't it obvious that as many Americans as possible have to be part of the solution? Or is it only the "enlightened" white liberal who needs to be included in the dialogue? Hint: the answer is not yes.
And I say that as a white liberal...
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I am highly educated, white, and a Trump supporting woman from Boston! From where? Yes from liberal Massachusetts. Stop believing everything the main stream media forces down your throat! Look deeper by doing your on research!
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Once again an article which mentions offhand that various folks were acting inappropriately because they have no knowledge of actual history. History, of course, is barely taught anymore in the form of broad survey courses in high school or college to afford some basic historical knowledge to the students. The ignorant will always relive past history since they know nothing of its nuance or lessons.
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It isn't just history but civics as well. There are numerous videos out there showing college people who cannot explain what the constitution or the Declaration of Independence are. They don't know the three branches of government. They think the US is a democracy. They can't tell you what country we rebelled against. They can't name what countries were the Axis and Allies members in WW2. Never heard of Pearl Harbor.
We're losing the soul of the nation in the name of globalism. These people can't tell you what we're losing because they don't even know what exists.
All of this can be pinned on the Left which doesn't believe in national interests or that a nation can have a culture of its own. The failure to guard our borders and the willingness to support those who are here illegally and flouting our laws is part of this effort.
Trump doesn't have to overtly promote nationalism. Like Great Britain US citizens are disgusted with all the people who are coming here just to make money and are unwilling to join with the rest who came here to be Americans and work to improve the country. They send billions to their old country and deprive us of the funds needed to provide jobs here. How else could Mexico have purchased two long tons of gold a few years but with dollars from their citizens sending money home.
There will be changes. They can done peacefully. If they aren't things will get much worse. But there will be changes.
We're losing the soul of the nation in the name of globalism. These people can't tell you what we're losing because they don't even know what exists.
All of this can be pinned on the Left which doesn't believe in national interests or that a nation can have a culture of its own. The failure to guard our borders and the willingness to support those who are here illegally and flouting our laws is part of this effort.
Trump doesn't have to overtly promote nationalism. Like Great Britain US citizens are disgusted with all the people who are coming here just to make money and are unwilling to join with the rest who came here to be Americans and work to improve the country. They send billions to their old country and deprive us of the funds needed to provide jobs here. How else could Mexico have purchased two long tons of gold a few years but with dollars from their citizens sending money home.
There will be changes. They can done peacefully. If they aren't things will get much worse. But there will be changes.
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Whites and blacks both share the success of this nation. Both were there at the beginning and both worked at its founding and at each stage of its development. Different experiences for sure, and lots more healing to do. Of all the races, however, these two should surely get along if our nation is to endure.
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Whites and blacks both should share the success of this nation (along with every other race born within its shores)... Fixed it for you.
An NPR radio station in DC is dropping music listened to by older white folks mentioning specifically that DCs "demography" is changing. Talk about deliberate dog whistles, this time from the left. I am voting for Hillary but Trump sure has a point when he mentions what might happen when white people are no longer a majority.
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Don't really get the point of your post, because, in reality, DC is becoming less Black and more white....
As an older white person, if it's the greatest hits of the eighties they are dropping I can only applaud
We listen to the same NPR station they didn't change the music because of some demographic reason. They have a new initiative to play local music. Every change doesn't have nefarious motives.
This article does a disservice to Trump in assuming that his appeal is somehow focused on racism. Instead, I believe his appeal is that of an outsider who wants to clean up an entrenched and corrupt establishment. It is an appeal to those tired of being institutionally forced into "politically correct" speech and to those who feel America is being sold down the river by its ruling class -- a class this country is not supposed to have. He appeals to those who have tired of career politicians and would like to see term limits for Senators, Congressmen and Supreme Court Justices, so America once more can be ruled by the people, not by the career-entrenched rulers. He appeals to those who feel the Middle Class is in danger of extinction, driven there by global, corporate and CEO greed; those who see what is happening to European culture because of a flood of "other" immigrants, and fear the same is happening here. He appeals to those who see America falling apart through internal strife and rejection of the rule of law. He appeals to those who feel that equality has become a catch phrase meaning, in reality, preference to minorities over the still-existent majority. Do I like Trump? No, not really. Do I like Hillary? Not at all. I deplore the lack of real leadership in America today. I expect I will hold my nose when I go to the polls, but given the choices presented, I see no other rational choice than a vote for Trump.
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JB, there is very little rationality in your explanation of why you'll vote for Trump. Whether you are aware of it or not, the basis for Trump's "platform, " such as it is, is racism, white supremacy, isolationism, hatred, small-mindedness, elevating ignorance, and an overall desire to maintain the status quo for white power in the U.S.
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"his appeal is that of an outsider who wants to clean up an entrenched and corrupt establishment."
That statement does not describe Donald Trump.
That statement does not describe Donald Trump.
No, your choice is not rational.
This person must not be elected to the presidency. His followers love his words. However , he has never put forward a plan that shows how he would implement the "wall", restrict Muslims or " bring back the manufacturing jobs". He has been all slogan, no plans or policies. He is not genuinely interested in being president except in winning. He is also not interested in the welfare of his constituents. He has always been interested in himself, only.
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In many ways, Trump is nothing new. The Republican Party, which is has been for many years, the party of the 1% and other rich who don't want to pay a lot in taxes, and has always appealed to the poor white, exploiting any racism and prejudice they can, to get these poor souls to vote for them. If they get control, their nos. 1-10 agenda is to not pay much in tax themselves, and cut every social program they can in the name of capitalism, democracy, and American individualism. Unfortunately for them, most people now see through their lies, and smell not only their selfish greed, but also the fascism in their presentation.l
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There is nothing special about spoiled baby Donald Trump. His father gave him a million bucks. That was not money that he used to help the city. Instead he went on a bankruptcy spree.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg nailed it. He will ruin this country with his idiocy.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg nailed it. He will ruin this country with his idiocy.
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He is eight years too late to claim credit for "ruining the Country" the current President holds that twenty trillion prize in the hand opposite his Nobel!
America is not a race. It is an idea. It is that people, wherever they come from, should be free and have the opportunity to enjoy the results of their work. If America were true to its finer ideals (Give us your tired, your poor, etc...) we would look at these Syrians fleeing violence and say 'we will take them all.' Sure, there will be some in there who are problems, but on the high side of 99% would be great and happy Americans, raising families and breathing free. Rising above bigotry and hatred is what makes America great. Making 'America great again', however, is a code phrase, and it means 'make America white again.' We are way better than this.
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As a nation we *are* better than this. Unfortunately there is a not-insignificant component of our citizenry that is decidedly not better than this. And they will vote for Trump.
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"Make America Great Again" no more means "Make American White Again" than Obama's "Hope and Change" meant "Hope and Change to Black".
This is a tremendous misreading of Trump's words. Trump's "greatness" means productive and, most importantly, competitive. How many Americans are no longer working, have given up searching for jobs and aren't included in that rosy unemployment number? How many are facing the end of careers at any time? He's talking to those Americans.
These Americans have been sidelined in the global economy. They want to be participants, to be working and competing with other countries. They want to be in the game, not watching from the sidelines.
There is not one presidential candidate who is speaking directly to them and promising to focus on their cause. Obama and Hillary are globalists. Sanders could just as easily destroy businesses as pursue workers' rights.
Trump is like a union leader, but one who understands business, who is looking out for his workers. That is the primary reason people support him. It's not for all the other silly reasons being projected. Throwing charges of "racism", "sexism", "bias", etc., are what people do when they face an opposing viewpoint with popular support. The more support, the crazier these accusations get.
This is a tremendous misreading of Trump's words. Trump's "greatness" means productive and, most importantly, competitive. How many Americans are no longer working, have given up searching for jobs and aren't included in that rosy unemployment number? How many are facing the end of careers at any time? He's talking to those Americans.
These Americans have been sidelined in the global economy. They want to be participants, to be working and competing with other countries. They want to be in the game, not watching from the sidelines.
There is not one presidential candidate who is speaking directly to them and promising to focus on their cause. Obama and Hillary are globalists. Sanders could just as easily destroy businesses as pursue workers' rights.
Trump is like a union leader, but one who understands business, who is looking out for his workers. That is the primary reason people support him. It's not for all the other silly reasons being projected. Throwing charges of "racism", "sexism", "bias", etc., are what people do when they face an opposing viewpoint with popular support. The more support, the crazier these accusations get.
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What exactly is the white nationalists' long-term vision for the United States - an apartheid state? The deportation of everyone whose race, ethnicity, or religion is different from their own, categories which at this point must include somewhere around forty percent of the population? Ethnic cleansing? Even if they could do it, how in the world can they think that any of these options would leave this country better off than bringing everyone in to the American team, pursuing our national and international interests, as a unified society? Obviously you can object to their ideas on moral grounds, but I don't think that you even need to go there, because all their objectives are bad from a simple perspective of prosperity, self-interest, and national power.
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Racisim was always persistent and prevalent . Mr. Trump gives racist thinking the ability to be racist --- without being overtly racist.
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Last 3 paragraphs: Terrifying.
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I'm white, and my recommendation is that we white Americans fully embrace the people of color and the various religious minorities we live with today, including the new arrivals. They are not going away, and they are by and large fine folks. They are, at any rate, part of the future of our country. We need to approach them with due respect and accept that they possess full human dignity, just as we do.
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Thank you for your words of wisdom and compassion.
I was born in Mexico, and my family overstayed a visitor's visa and immigrated to the US when I was 8. My brother and I both worked hard in (public) school, sacrificing sleep, family time, and "fun" to get the grades, activities, and test scores to be accepted to Ivy League schools. We've just graduated, but professionally, we're doing well and are already thinking about advanced degrees.
What on earth makes working class whites think that they can get good jobs in this American economy without college degrees? Has no one given them good advice in their lives? Do they think they can just coast on their good looks and family ties all their lives? Yeah, some people can do that--the Trumps for example. But everyone else either has to get an education to set them apart or work their butts off in service economy jobs all their lives in order to earn a living. Do working class whites not know this?
What on earth makes working class whites think that they can get good jobs in this American economy without college degrees? Has no one given them good advice in their lives? Do they think they can just coast on their good looks and family ties all their lives? Yeah, some people can do that--the Trumps for example. But everyone else either has to get an education to set them apart or work their butts off in service economy jobs all their lives in order to earn a living. Do working class whites not know this?
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"But everyone else either has to get an education to set them apart or work their butts off in service economy jobs all their lives in order to earn a living."
Well, you probably don't realize this, but...there used to be a third option in America. It was called "manufacturing". It provided wages that could lift non-college-educated individuals into a thriving and growing middle-class. Through "free trade" and unfettered illegal immigration, good-paying American manufacturing jobs have almost disappeared, as has the accompanying middle class. But congratulations on your success.
Well, you probably don't realize this, but...there used to be a third option in America. It was called "manufacturing". It provided wages that could lift non-college-educated individuals into a thriving and growing middle-class. Through "free trade" and unfettered illegal immigration, good-paying American manufacturing jobs have almost disappeared, as has the accompanying middle class. But congratulations on your success.
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I suppose we could say the same thing about African - Americans.
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Some of them may very well want to get college degrees but are discriminated against in the college admissions process because of affirmative action which gives "boosts" to non-whites, especially for the competitive Ivy League schools. Which is not at all to say that in your case, your success was not fully and duly earned. But in the aggregate, the racism of the separate but equal "affirmative action" admissions process does unfortunately negatively impact the children of some working class whites.
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It is sad that tthe media feels compelled to treat Mr. Trump as a legitimate, qualified candidate in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, simoly because he is the nominee of one of the 2 major parties. He is monumentally unqualified. Give him a radio talk show for his rants. Please don't give him the nuclear codes!
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Yes, we want to see the tax returns!
Anti-diversity forces realize that, if Hillary wins, there is no turning back. Her election will lock in diversity democracy for generations to come. The battle is at its rawist in Black Lives Matter policing issues, but is nonetheless crucial to all diversity groups.
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Being white does not define me nor do I think I am in decline. Trump was not may choice and I have some reservations about him. He is much better for the US than the alternative. Most of my issues revolve around his not specific use of language, and the possibility that he might pull an Obama and use regulations to get what congress might not give him. He can't destroy democracy as Hillary asserted. Now Hillary has proven to lie, make bad decisions, and has almost no accomplishments in her life. Give Trump a chance, four years won't destroy our country.
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Trump is being sued for lying and defrauding people who paid to attend Trump University. And what are Trumps great accomplishments? He has declared bankruptcy three times. He has two failed marriages. He won't disclose his taxes. So what exactly are Trumps accomplishments? Hillary Clinton helped millions of poor kids get health insurance. That's one accomplishment and more substantial of one than any of us will ever have in a lifetime.
And Trump has accomplishments? He inherited a successful business from his dad, filed for corporate bankruptcy 3 or 4 times (it's hard to keep track). A lot of his money doesn't even come from real estate; it comes from selling his name to different products like Trump University and starring in reality TV shows.
Agreed. 8 more years of civil decline with Hillary as President is unacceptable!
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The rights of whites aren't disappearing. Only their privilege, which they never should have had in the first place. For everyone except those who believe nonwhites should remain subservient to white people, that's called progress.
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"Birtherism" alone disqualifies Donald Trump as president. What an odious lie he helped perpetuate that he still hasn't repudiated.
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Trumpism is nothing more than a destructive nostalgia for a bygone world of white domination!
When they falsely complain about political correctness, it's not about what they can't say, but what they no longer can do!
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Ignorance and complete denial of facts are what fuels his candidacy.
The "white" mindset is that nonwhites are getting a free ride, have a high percentage of people on welfare, are "taking over" this country, etc. All untrue.
The universal truth is that we all have to learn to get along because no minority group is just going to go away. Middle America has seen changes that its white population cannot understand and needs help adapting to. Trump is not the man to solve their perceived slights. If they look closely, building a wall or refusing muslim immigrants will do nothing......
The "white" mindset is that nonwhites are getting a free ride, have a high percentage of people on welfare, are "taking over" this country, etc. All untrue.
The universal truth is that we all have to learn to get along because no minority group is just going to go away. Middle America has seen changes that its white population cannot understand and needs help adapting to. Trump is not the man to solve their perceived slights. If they look closely, building a wall or refusing muslim immigrants will do nothing......
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Quite frankly, as a member of the white lower middle class hoping not to sink into dire poverty, Paul Ryan, Newt Gingrich and Chris Christie scare me a lot more than Donald Trump. The only thing that scares me about Trump is that he might pick one of the latter two as his VP.
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When Trump says "Make America Great Again", what he's really saying is "I'm scared, I have no ideas. Let's just do nothing". A leader is not scared. A leader faces the future with confidence and with new ideas to KEEP America great.
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Blacks, Hispanics and Asians are not threats to "Euro-American" culture. Whites are. It is true in Europe as well. When the birth rate drops below the replacement level, cities and towns, jobs and organizations will either start to be abandoned or will be taken over by other people. Take a look at Japan. They haven't allowed immigrants because they want to maintain their "pure" culture. Now their towns are dying. Sure, the big cities are still growing slightly but at the expense of the countryside. That would be America's future if white supremacists had their way. Hispanics and Asians aren't coming here to stamp out our culture. They are just here because there are jobs and places to live that are nicer than what they've left behind.
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Would it be a bad thing for if some populations fall just below the replacement rate? You talk about "towns that are dying." You're missing the big picture: The whole surface of the planet is dying -- or at least very, very, very sick. Because of us humans, ALL of us humans.
A nation is a people with a shared history, language, and blood. Only the Japanese can defend and preserve Japanese civilization because they are Japanese civilization. Just as without Jews, Israel would cease to be Israel. The kind of system in which you seem to envision is one in which "citizens" simply become economic units. Demographic declines have happened before. During the Black Death of the 14th century Europe lost a third of its population and recovered.
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Exactly STAGFLATION for maybe 40 years in Japan. It's already cooked in unless they open immigration.
China is actually in a population bind because of the one child rule. They may briefly pass the US economy but shortly after the ratio of old to young goes off the chart dooming them for decades.
I was at our community pool today and asked a black man if he thought it was wise for us to allow people in our very safe neighborhood to open carry and even conceal weapons. As we talked several times he put his right hand in his pocket.
He actually quoted a racist Not Real American NRA trope that more guns have proven to make societies more safe. What utter nonsense.
Take Japan again. No guns and little crime. Far less than here. Swiss men are required to maintain a long rifle for the militia. But they cannot carry them around. That's it. That's the entire second amendment. A long rifle for the militia.
Oh every time that black man spouting racist republican nonsense reached into his pocket any person carrying either an open carry or concealed weapon could have shot and killed him and probably only gotten maybe probation.
Yes indeed guns make us safer.
Dave
Dave
China is actually in a population bind because of the one child rule. They may briefly pass the US economy but shortly after the ratio of old to young goes off the chart dooming them for decades.
I was at our community pool today and asked a black man if he thought it was wise for us to allow people in our very safe neighborhood to open carry and even conceal weapons. As we talked several times he put his right hand in his pocket.
He actually quoted a racist Not Real American NRA trope that more guns have proven to make societies more safe. What utter nonsense.
Take Japan again. No guns and little crime. Far less than here. Swiss men are required to maintain a long rifle for the militia. But they cannot carry them around. That's it. That's the entire second amendment. A long rifle for the militia.
Oh every time that black man spouting racist republican nonsense reached into his pocket any person carrying either an open carry or concealed weapon could have shot and killed him and probably only gotten maybe probation.
Yes indeed guns make us safer.
Dave
Dave
This article is a powerful example of why Justice Ginsburg was right to speak out, and why the editorial boards of the Times and Washington post were wrong to scold her. If Trump were a normal candidate them yes, it would have been wrong for a Justice to get involved. But this article is a rare reminder from the mainstream media that Trump is anything but normal. He is so far beyond the pale, and so fundamentally dangerous to the republic and its politics that typical conventions have to be set aside in response. Now is the time for all our leaders to be speaking up against this demagogue, including the justices. Instead we see most of the GOP lining up behind this man and the worse, trying to make him seem like a part of the mainstream. There is a gradual process of growing numbness to Trump that starts to normalize him and make him seem almost acceptable. This is dangerous and leaders like Ginsburg can remind us of just what's at stake here when they speak up. A man willing to dog whistle the worst racists in our society like this article shows has no business holding any political post.
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He is as much a candidate as any one ever... Say what you will about trump, at least he isn't a force of evil like Clinton.
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I find the title of the article poorly phrased. "Trump's Words of Resistance Stir Whites Sense of Decline"
Really NYT? How about "Some Whites"? I sense declines, but don't toss me into that bigot's camp with his vitriolic divisiveness.
Really NYT? How about "Some Whites"? I sense declines, but don't toss me into that bigot's camp with his vitriolic divisiveness.
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Ignorance is a powerful brand.
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If nothing else, the nomination of Trump shows how uneducated and incapable of rational thought too many Americans are.
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Unfortunately, this post is representative of a strain in American political life: rather than rational argument, it accuses anyone with it whom it disagrees of being "uneducated", "incapable of rational thought" and (often, but not explicitly here) "ignorant". Those are the responses of people afraid of their opponents' arguments.
Object to the fetishes of "diversity", invented sexual "identities" and racial preference (discrimination), and that is the response you get.
Object to the fetishes of "diversity", invented sexual "identities" and racial preference (discrimination), and that is the response you get.
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The only constant is change. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that? We love laptops, cellphones, and tablets because they make our lives easier. Because they are ubiquitous, many postal workers have to reinvent themselves.
It is incumbent upon all of us to pay attention to the changes in our society. You cannot sit and wait for the coal industry to return; it is not going to happen. No one is taking anyone's job. There are people preparing themselves for change, and others praying to keep everything the same. Unfortunately, the latter will continue to look for scapegoats.
It is incumbent upon all of us to pay attention to the changes in our society. You cannot sit and wait for the coal industry to return; it is not going to happen. No one is taking anyone's job. There are people preparing themselves for change, and others praying to keep everything the same. Unfortunately, the latter will continue to look for scapegoats.
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Trump cannot bring back 1955, no one can. It is a mistake to vote for Trump for this reason. Face it, the country has changed. People can adapt or they can be miserable and left behind for the rest of their lives.
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This is a sideshow, a distraction. The real issue is wealth inequality. The elites want to divide and conquer.
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Exactly.
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Bingo!
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Trump isn't playing by "the rules" or being "politically correct," so, for the sake of our country, we and Justice Ginsberg cannot be either. We need to speak up, in sharp terms, directly and loudly. The NY Times editors are wrong. Too much is at stake. We need those in positions of authority to speak up as we the people must speak up too to save our democracy.
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Trump has no solutions, because he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He is pandering to people's discontents and fears in order to gain power for himself.
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If we Caucasian are to believe that somehow are entitle and superior to all other races we are being set up for a rude awakening, since there can be no peace and comfort knowing that we have a better life due to the color of our skin and not our well earn merits. True Christians can not be Christ-like if we refuse to see other humans created in the image of Jesus Christ, Peace begins within oneself and we must take accountability for doing our part of the problem or the solution.
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I'm white and not especially privileged, live basically on a very modest salary, but have a brain that can't be fooled by this ridiculous viper. I'm sorry there are so many out there that can't see what is obvious. Trump is a disaster coming and going. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs his/her head examined. People need to get their heads away from reality TV and get an education. Read. Travel. Get a life. Learn something. Think!!!
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Economic Globalization has closed factories and displaced millions and millions of well-paying jobs. Those factories have popped up here in Mexico where the corporate owners pay the workers $1.21 an hr with little rights and benefits. Trump himself has his TRUMP label on clothes made in Mexico. He won`t turn that around. He`s a fraud folks. He and the 1% have done well for themselves with Globalization. The money flows only one way into their pockets and off-shore banks, which is why he isn`t going to divulge his taxes.
Racial integration is also a fascinating phenomenon. My white Irish Catholic parents came here almost 100 years ago. Now our family looks like a UN meeting: Polish, German, English, Brazilian, African-American, Japanese etc etc as well as Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and Agnostics. The white component is gradually blending into the rainbow.
Fear seems the big driver. Fear of the immigrant, the Muslim - the other.
Time will heal this.
The choices in this election aren`t the best. The militarism which we have lived with will probably continue at home and abroad The best that we can hope for is living in a city or state that will be more tolerant of diversity.
Vote for he person who wants peace and wants a nation which cares for the sick, the poor, the displaced and welcomes to our shores the immigrants who have always made the US an interesting vibrant nation. The Green Party`s Jill Stein is my pick
Racial integration is also a fascinating phenomenon. My white Irish Catholic parents came here almost 100 years ago. Now our family looks like a UN meeting: Polish, German, English, Brazilian, African-American, Japanese etc etc as well as Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and Agnostics. The white component is gradually blending into the rainbow.
Fear seems the big driver. Fear of the immigrant, the Muslim - the other.
Time will heal this.
The choices in this election aren`t the best. The militarism which we have lived with will probably continue at home and abroad The best that we can hope for is living in a city or state that will be more tolerant of diversity.
Vote for he person who wants peace and wants a nation which cares for the sick, the poor, the displaced and welcomes to our shores the immigrants who have always made the US an interesting vibrant nation. The Green Party`s Jill Stein is my pick
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That is pretty sad testimony to how irresponsible well sounding people may be. Throwing their vote because the continuation of Obama policies sound so terrifying!
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Yes, anyone who wants to stem the tide of illegal immigration is a right-wing fascist and racist. Unfortunately, the Left has provided us with two options: open borders or racism. Since they don't see the middle ground where most people agree that legal immigration should be encouraged and illegal immigration stopped at all costs, those middle-ground people are also considered racists. After awhile, those in the middle quit trying to explain that they aren't racists but are realists.
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Michael, illegal immigration has been dropping. Obama has been called the Deporter-in-Chief.
"Since [liberals] don't see the middle ground where most people agree that legal immigration should be encouraged and illegal immigration stopped at all costs"
No. "Illegal immigration must be stopped at all costs" is *not* a middle ground position.
No. "Illegal immigration must be stopped at all costs" is *not* a middle ground position.
In ancient Rome, the people had a "tribune" to speak up for them in the halls of power among the nobility - the Senate. The tribune was also a Roman noble, because only nobles could be in the corridors of power. In the USA today, who is our tribune? Along with millions of black people, millions of white people are hurting, too, and also need a tribune. Our choice is also between two nobles. Which noble will the people raise up? Which one will raise up the people who are suffering from decline, and give them hope for a better future, instead of being told they are "has beens" whose "time has passed?"
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The problem in the USA is that unscrupulous financial and political elites (Trump included) seek to advance their political agendas by pitting one group of suffering people against another. That's why Bernie's insistently economic message caught the attention it did, NYT and most of its opinion writers notwithstanding. And that's why Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment, finally, are paying attention.
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Racism was done in this country when the first blow was struck on Rodney King.
Some have wanted it to continue, but that was the moment it all fell.
Trump and his followers are losers, on the wrong side of history.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Yes. Get over it, haters.
Some have wanted it to continue, but that was the moment it all fell.
Trump and his followers are losers, on the wrong side of history.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Yes. Get over it, haters.
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Once whites become a minority racial issues will not subside but become more pronounced. As the victim groups that comprise the Democratic Party realize that their interests diverge you will see greater political and social fissures open up amongst them. We will never live in a post-racial society. Trump is just the first stage it what may be a long process of political dissolution.
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Nothing like the NYT promoting racial divisions. Trump is no more divisive than Hillary Clinton. somehow you fail to see this.
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I don't think Clinton has said anything about Hispanics being rapist and drug dealers. I also don't think Clinton has said anything to Garner the support of Nazis and white supremacist. That's Trump's domain.
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Bill, of the little green check mark.
You are like the party guest who arrives empty handed and then criticizes the appetizers.
Change your logon, abandon the check mark, and THEN criticize the NYT.
You are like the party guest who arrives empty handed and then criticizes the appetizers.
Change your logon, abandon the check mark, and THEN criticize the NYT.
I am a fortunate white male. Now in my mid sixties and about to receive my first social security check, I am perplexed and truly saddened by what I hear and see during this election year. In my youth and coming of age, I was heartened by the belief that our generation, the baby boomers, would and could change the world. Civil rights, feminism and the anti-war movement all heralded a time in which we could potentially live in a world made better by understanding and respect for one another. What happened? Where did we loose the momentum for unity and brotherhood? The few control an ever greater percentage of the wealth, racial and religious intolerance has reached an intolerable level, ageism, guns, mass murder, obesity, the homeless, special interest groups, unemployment, wars with no end... when will all of this end? I'm tired of the polarization, the demigods and the selfish. I want change, positive change, change that will benefit all Americans. I want to be color blind, classless and safe to say my opinion. I want a future for my family and the families of others without regard to their background. I want an America that is a bastion of freedom, peace and understanding and a country I can be forever proud of!
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Sadly greedy people like Nixon, and prejudiced people like Reagan, and ignorant people like Bush (both of them) is what happened
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The liberal boomers left the battlefield before the war was over.
The racist democrats were courted by the racist republicans so we lost track of what white christian sharia law is doing to our values.
All republicans are now racists because they support a racist.
Racism is the kind of stain that once you willingly apply it to yourself is almost impossible to remove.
Republicans are now willingly painting themselves with the racism stain.
I think we should build two walls. Mexico should build a wall along the entire southern border. The USA builds a wall across the northern borders of the southeast and texas (lower case on purpose) and arizona and new mexico.
Then move all of the people that believe in the racist republican theology into the nation of bedlam.
Dave
The racist democrats were courted by the racist republicans so we lost track of what white christian sharia law is doing to our values.
All republicans are now racists because they support a racist.
Racism is the kind of stain that once you willingly apply it to yourself is almost impossible to remove.
Republicans are now willingly painting themselves with the racism stain.
I think we should build two walls. Mexico should build a wall along the entire southern border. The USA builds a wall across the northern borders of the southeast and texas (lower case on purpose) and arizona and new mexico.
Then move all of the people that believe in the racist republican theology into the nation of bedlam.
Dave
Yes, you are right to want that. But others, such as Islam, does not want that.
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The good thing about Mr. Trump is that he is not a lawyer like the Obamas and teh Clintons. It is lawyers who dominate and run all 3 branches of the U.S. government, have bankrupted the government and have given the American nation a long chain of expensive and defeated foreign policies. Lawyers dominating the U.S. government is known as the "legal caste". Late American newspaper publisher Edward W. Scripps wrote: "If there is such a thing as true freedom and democracy then the road to that goal lies over and through the ruin and annihilation of the legal caste."
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Mr Trump couldn't function for five minutes without lawyers. In fact, he filed another law suit yesterday. And of course he himself is being sued for fraud for Trump "University" and Trump "Institute."
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Yeah, yeah, everybody hates lawyers. Until they need one.
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Trump is a repugnant narcissist and Hilary is a mendacious egotist. So why will the media not give Gary Johnson any coverage? Because the media has long since abandoned any pretense of neutral and unbiased reporting and now operates as nothing more than a partisan charade beholden to their ratings.
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Simple, are you totally aware of Johnson's positions? If you really delve into the Libertarian philosophy, you may change your mind.
In a country so angry and divided, Trump presents a compelling example that it's ok to speak your mind. He is completely comfortable with ad lib, something that terrifies Hillary.
The debates will be entertaining. And there may be just enough of the ticked-off white middle class left, and Sandersistas and Millennials, to put him in the White House. No one should be surprised if that happens. Angry and disaffected people make a point of voting.
This election is shaping up as the perfect storm, where Trump is left still standing.
The debates will be entertaining. And there may be just enough of the ticked-off white middle class left, and Sandersistas and Millennials, to put him in the White House. No one should be surprised if that happens. Angry and disaffected people make a point of voting.
This election is shaping up as the perfect storm, where Trump is left still standing.
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There's a difference between speaking your mind and being downright rude. And Trump is downright rude.
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And so as time marches us out of the dark days, we the children of the veterans who spared us from brutal slavery to Japanese and German invaders, cling with fervor to what so many modern thinkers believe to be anachronisms. It ain't just the US elections being snatched by nouveau artisans of glorious egalitarian landscapes of lions feeding with lambs, it's all modern democracies...with massive influences of the new journalism. Thank God the Green movement in my country did not grab the balance of power in a Federal election whose results are still being counted. And what just happened in Britain with Brexit. It's world-wide folks...and it shows global resistance to, dare I say it...UN orchestrated passive invasion from alien cultures! It's naught to do with racism or what's that new buzz-word? Xenophobia! It's to do with us! We who lost dads and uncles and aunts and grand-folk to tyranny..a word being removed by modern journalism from English lexicons. The next icon to come tumbling down is the UN, that noble-minded mob that also rubbed 'sovereignty' from the handbook. And so what's wrong with being white, aging, veteran, child of veteran? And so this noble demographic group is having its say about the future when it rose up and destroyed the demons of our past? As Trump represents this sector that raised the American Standard across the globe in the face of global tyranny, is he being denied yet another word that seems to be missing from the US election debate...Democracy!
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You are fortunate to live in a beautiful place which I had the privilege of visiting a few months back. Much talk of problems with your island economy although mainland Australia seems to be doing fine. They do make good whiskey in Burnie which might help sooth your temper if you consumed some!
Trump's hats should say "Make America White Again". That basically sums up the hate around his entire campaign.
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There seems to be a contradiction among Trump's so-called "base" - working class white folks - and their aspirations. One of the criticisms put forward by this group are the number of jobs lost to globalization. Meanwhile, this group provides lots of business to places like Walmart - a company which could not exist in its present form without the benefits provided by globalization - ie sourcing their goods from countries other than the United States. If this group of working class white folks are so upset about globalization, then why are they shopping at Walmart?
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It's simple, George. They cannot afford to shop elsewhere. And the reason for that is that their real wages are stagnant or depressed, largely due to globalization. It's a vicious circle; many have hope that Trump can break it.
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Acknowledging white privilege is not about assuming guilt or apologizing to black people or other minority groups. It's really about acknowledging others' LACK of privilege. White people are only privileged to what EVERYBODY ought to be privileged to--to be judged by the content of their character, to be equal before the law. That's it. We know from the lived experiences of black americans--our fellow citizens--and from innumerable studies that they are often not treated equally before the law, not judged by their character. We should ALL be concerned about this, because it is a violation of the ideals our country was formed to preserve and protect.
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But the thing is -- many many white people experience no privileges at all. None. And they are judged by their lack of wealth or education, and even made to feel ashamed of their lack of “privilege”. I get your point but I don’t think it represents the full truth.
The ideals were never plutocracy - or were they?
The ideals were never plutocracy - or were they?
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Is there racism against African Americans? Yes, absolutely, no question. But by decreeing "White Priveledge" at every instance, it is making it seem that Whiteness is put on a pedestal; it is not. This isn't South Africa in the 1950s, but from the outcry that is what it is made out to be. On the flip side, African Americans are disproportionately poor and experience many of the same externalities that poor whites (of which there are a far greater number) face: high crime rates, discrimination in hiring because of cultural appearance, high drug use, high police shootings. By refusing to acknowledge the whites, especially poor ones, do not experience the same degree of "priviledge" that others do, African Americans are losing out. But the again, it would flip the narrative on its head, "white Priviledge" being in fact largely the privilege of being rich is shared between wealthy whites, African Americans, Asians, etc:
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The rise of the Trumpster has startled and confused everyone, including the Trumpster himself. What is it that has taken over so many minds?
The usual explanations put forth - economic hardship, xenophobia, white-decline, and "telling it like it is" are partial at best.
Nate Silver says that the average Trumpeteer makes $72,000, so economics can't be it, but maybe increasing income and opportunity inequality (unfairness) is. We all learned how rigged the system truly is when no Bankster went to jail. See "The Big Short" on Netflix.
My explanation is a bit deeper and based on studies that show that Trumpeteers and Republicans score very high on the F-test, a test of authoritarianism.
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
This psychological explanation underlies all the usual symptoms of Trumpism.
But I believe one can go deeper yet and blame the Trumpster's personality as well as his support on what underlies the authoritarian personality, which is an abusive childhood in its varied forms. This would be a good article for Mr. Brooks.
A google on psychohistory will amaze you with how well this theory fits the the Trumpster phenomenon. No other explanation comes close.
Research shows that endemic child abuse around the globe may be the real cause of War as adults express their emotional reactions to abusive childhoods - absolutely in WW2 Germany, and maybe also in this election cycle.
http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/
The usual explanations put forth - economic hardship, xenophobia, white-decline, and "telling it like it is" are partial at best.
Nate Silver says that the average Trumpeteer makes $72,000, so economics can't be it, but maybe increasing income and opportunity inequality (unfairness) is. We all learned how rigged the system truly is when no Bankster went to jail. See "The Big Short" on Netflix.
My explanation is a bit deeper and based on studies that show that Trumpeteers and Republicans score very high on the F-test, a test of authoritarianism.
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
This psychological explanation underlies all the usual symptoms of Trumpism.
But I believe one can go deeper yet and blame the Trumpster's personality as well as his support on what underlies the authoritarian personality, which is an abusive childhood in its varied forms. This would be a good article for Mr. Brooks.
A google on psychohistory will amaze you with how well this theory fits the the Trumpster phenomenon. No other explanation comes close.
Research shows that endemic child abuse around the globe may be the real cause of War as adults express their emotional reactions to abusive childhoods - absolutely in WW2 Germany, and maybe also in this election cycle.
http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/
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'We Are Not as Divided as We Seem' - we are just 69% divided.
Most Hold a Grim View of Race Relations, Poll Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/most-americans-hold-grim-view-of-ra...
Most Hold a Grim View of Race Relations, Poll Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/most-americans-hold-grim-view-of-ra...
Trump’s popularity with lower class whites is due to race, plain and simple.
What produced a “Trump” is the dumbing down of Americans. Obsessive viewing of reality television programs contributed to the general “dumbing down” of the average American.
Trump is not a Republican or a Democrat; he is a television creation. Only America could produce a "Trump", he is not “real”.
White Americans are going to have to understand that they will go into this century as the minority, in actually only 15 percent of the world population is White.
Trump or no Trump, the world is moving forward, yesterday is not coming back.
CNN reported that Whites are the new minority, this is what fuels the Nazis and racists who support Trump.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/07/06/its-official-the-us-is-be...
What produced a “Trump” is the dumbing down of Americans. Obsessive viewing of reality television programs contributed to the general “dumbing down” of the average American.
Trump is not a Republican or a Democrat; he is a television creation. Only America could produce a "Trump", he is not “real”.
White Americans are going to have to understand that they will go into this century as the minority, in actually only 15 percent of the world population is White.
Trump or no Trump, the world is moving forward, yesterday is not coming back.
CNN reported that Whites are the new minority, this is what fuels the Nazis and racists who support Trump.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/07/06/its-official-the-us-is-be...
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Whites are trending into minorities in UK and Canada as well. The conundrum is, why aren't the non-White races turning themselves into minorities in their own countries? Why must Whites do this?
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When did anyone owe us anything here? I"m not saying it's easy or it's even right, but it is America. In America, you make your own way in the world. That's the blessing and the curse of this country. You can't claim to love it's freedoms and not take responsibility for your own life. Whatever you make of it.
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Interesting how Asians are never included in these discussions. Actually, Asians are white. They no longer are beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. ( So called "white" Hispanic George Zimmerman remains eligible for Affirmative Action). Whites would no longer be perceived as in decline if Asians--like Jews, Irish, Italians, etc--are reclassified as white.
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I have to say, I'm getting real tired of listening to all of the whining coming from the so-called "silent majority". Rather than make an honest effort to improve their lot, they blame everybody and anybody else for their imagined ills. Essentially, what they're saying is, "...I'm a loser and I know I'm a loser but I'm not responsible for the fact that I didn't make any efforts to prepare myself for the world in which we all now live. My shortcomings have nothing to do with me, it's the fault of the blacks, the Muslims, the Jews, the Mexicans, the gays, the (fill in the blank)." If these clowns spent a little less time polishing their guns, reading the fiction that some choose to call the bible, blaming everyone else, and preparing for the end of times and a little more time and initiative to improve themselves thne just maybe they wouldn't have as much time for self pity.
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I'm white, and I built this country. I built lots of public libraries, too, and gave a shiny new dime to 1000s of street urchins, and dead end kids. I forgot more than you'll ever know about hard work and thrift and Divine Providence.
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So slave labor, stolen land, and 400 years of discrimination had nothing to do with that?
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Yeah, and I built this city on Rock and Roll. "Divine Providence" looks very divine when you're on a winning streak. What about slave labor? What do you think that built?
I do not understand why it is incumbent upon Trump to disavow the support of people like David Dukes yet Obama gets a pass on not disavowing Reverend Wright's support. They seem to me to be the same situation, yet different outcomes.
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You are ill-informed. David Duke represents a group that has hounded and murdered blacks and their allies for 150 years. Rev. Wright was attacking that system that allowed those activities to thrive with impunity. Furthermore, he was the victim of that system. Sorry, it's not the same situation at all, but why should you care? You will vote for Trump, and you hate Obama. Obviousness.
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Stephen - Actually, I think Obama is a very good man, and I will most likely vote for Johnson. I care because I look for, and seldom find, equity in the press and public. My point is that all candidates should be held to the same standards; either all should need to disavow support from a racist or none need to. Your conclusion is a perfect example of what we get when we assume.
For a long time things have been going well for "America" but not for a majority of Americans.
For about an equal length of time -- since the 1970s -- the number of new people coming to America has been at a high level, resulting in an incredibly fast change in the ethnic and racial mix of our country, as well as a huge infusion of people (both legal and illegal immigrants) who are high school dropouts who didn't speak English when they came here.
All this change is finally getting to be too much.
For about an equal length of time -- since the 1970s -- the number of new people coming to America has been at a high level, resulting in an incredibly fast change in the ethnic and racial mix of our country, as well as a huge infusion of people (both legal and illegal immigrants) who are high school dropouts who didn't speak English when they came here.
All this change is finally getting to be too much.
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The unspoken fear these white people who support Trump and his xenophobic ideas is that if whites are not a majority, people of color will treat them the same way that whites have historically discriminated and abused minorities. If, as Trump supporters complain, minorities get all the perks and government benefits, then why are they so afraid of becoming the minority race?
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Identity based on race, color or creed is something our school system should be working to stamp out in its infancy, before it has a chance to develop. What do I, as a white guy and a Jew, have in common with any other white male Jew? Probably little if anything. Nor is being American a mark of distinction. Let our interests, passions, talents, personal affinities guide us, not this ludicrous tribalism and nationalism.
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I think the most outrageous aspect of all his campaign, is about his tax return. I wonder why Hillary doesn't hit on that, as he has hit his nonsense on her. She has to focus on a issue about him, and hit it there.
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If Trump wins the fall election, it is the classic example of backlash of having a black-American president for 8 years.
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Has nothing to do with him being black. It has to do with him being a terrible president. And also, the pendulum has swung so far to the left, it's about to come back to the right, like it or not.
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In other words, long suppressed racism coming to the fore?
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Very fine writing by Nick Confessore. He fairly describes the sociological issues in these politics, and he has respect for all of the parties involved.
There is a population that feels that it is being pushed aside by newer groups of people. And actually, some of this population isn't necessarily white. But this situation has been going on for a long time. Few understand the moment when the Irish rose in Boston politics. Francis Cabot Lowell would not only bring nationalities to work in his mills, he brought women. The work force in the US has always been the source of its diversity that rose to power.
Thus it is a little surprising that in 2016 we revisit the consequences of this diversity once again. Ours is not a fair system; capitalism seeks cheap labor. The distribution of wealth reveals this fact. And it provides fertile ground for demagogues. The fact a politician like Trump can go very far on catering to the disaffiliated really means that politicians have to relate to these people.
It's not good enough for Democrats simply to project a political correctness, or wish that declining whites simply go away. They form a large percentage of the electorate. When Hillary Clinton wakes up in November as president of the United States, she will have to realize that she also represents *them*, despite what her loyal followers believe.
There is a population that feels that it is being pushed aside by newer groups of people. And actually, some of this population isn't necessarily white. But this situation has been going on for a long time. Few understand the moment when the Irish rose in Boston politics. Francis Cabot Lowell would not only bring nationalities to work in his mills, he brought women. The work force in the US has always been the source of its diversity that rose to power.
Thus it is a little surprising that in 2016 we revisit the consequences of this diversity once again. Ours is not a fair system; capitalism seeks cheap labor. The distribution of wealth reveals this fact. And it provides fertile ground for demagogues. The fact a politician like Trump can go very far on catering to the disaffiliated really means that politicians have to relate to these people.
It's not good enough for Democrats simply to project a political correctness, or wish that declining whites simply go away. They form a large percentage of the electorate. When Hillary Clinton wakes up in November as president of the United States, she will have to realize that she also represents *them*, despite what her loyal followers believe.
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Trump is really a rich white version of Al Sharpton
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Deindustrialization, driven in part by global trade, would devastate the economic fortunes of white men accustomed to making a decent living without a college degree.
Now, how did all that happen? Union leaders passionately explained what needed to happen to protect American jobs before those trade agreements were signed. They exhorted politicians to insist that decent wages that would raise the cost of imported goods so that American goods could still compete, be paid to workers around the world. They were ignored by politicians whose constituents were lured by the prospect of cheaper everything, but especially Republicans, whose nominee the displaced workers are now supporting simply because he affects a tough New York accent, not a Wharton School patois. Mr. Trump fails to explain whether he'd subsidize wages in America with tax money or somehow convince the American people, suffering as they are with below-standard jobs in millions of cases already, to spend more of their limited resources for a shirt or a TV or a car with parts made abroad if he finds a way to force employers in other countries to pay a higher wage or those same items made by well-paid Americans if they get their jobs back. A Trump presidency would probably mess it up both ways with everything becoming more expensive without wages rising appreciably here at home. This would further reduce demand, which would put even more Americans out of work or leave them to work in McWalUber jobs.
Now, how did all that happen? Union leaders passionately explained what needed to happen to protect American jobs before those trade agreements were signed. They exhorted politicians to insist that decent wages that would raise the cost of imported goods so that American goods could still compete, be paid to workers around the world. They were ignored by politicians whose constituents were lured by the prospect of cheaper everything, but especially Republicans, whose nominee the displaced workers are now supporting simply because he affects a tough New York accent, not a Wharton School patois. Mr. Trump fails to explain whether he'd subsidize wages in America with tax money or somehow convince the American people, suffering as they are with below-standard jobs in millions of cases already, to spend more of their limited resources for a shirt or a TV or a car with parts made abroad if he finds a way to force employers in other countries to pay a higher wage or those same items made by well-paid Americans if they get their jobs back. A Trump presidency would probably mess it up both ways with everything becoming more expensive without wages rising appreciably here at home. This would further reduce demand, which would put even more Americans out of work or leave them to work in McWalUber jobs.
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg confirms what Donald said about the Mexican-American judge being biased against him in the Trump U. litigation. Activist judges, ironically the very types the Democrats rejected in favor of Mandatory Minimums in the Clinton Era. Gloria Borger on CNN said Ginsburg's pontifications were an incredible coup for Trump, who now can lampoon Ginsburg as primed to eviscerate the Second Amendment. First Lynch, now Ginsburg. NRA says, "Thank you!"
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I don't know about you, but I like the traditions, history (mostly) and the ideals of the United States and our constitutional system. I live in Los Angeles but sometimes I feel like I live in Mexico or Teheran. I don't really want to live in Mexico or Teheran. Do you?
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Southern California used to be Mexico, so they are suppose to live there. See the Mexican -American War 1846- 1848 (Did you overlook this while reading American History?)
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The subtitle to this supposedly newsreport (visible right on the front page, under the title) states:
"Donald J. Trump is voicing the bewilderment and anger of whites who do not feel powerful or privileged."
This strikes me as an opinion -- fit for an opinion piece -- not objective news reporting. I'm sorry to say this, but the NYT is playing a role in dividing this country.
"Donald J. Trump is voicing the bewilderment and anger of whites who do not feel powerful or privileged."
This strikes me as an opinion -- fit for an opinion piece -- not objective news reporting. I'm sorry to say this, but the NYT is playing a role in dividing this country.
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Outraged attacks and criticisms of Trump increase his appeal to those who love him as the guy who disrupts every dimension of the political and cultural order. Every attack against him makes him look better to the fans who want that champion .
But someone needs to explain to me why the press have been so easy with his refusing to disclose taxes.
But someone needs to explain to me why the press have been so easy with his refusing to disclose taxes.
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The very essence of this article is elitist and disgusting. You'll be bandying about the word "populist" next. If Clinton wins next November, is that a populist surge? I sometimes think Britain's Brexit vote was a result of the all those smooth talking elitists (including our dearly beloved President) brandishing a warning finger at the little people (AKA voters) as if they were children. Where's Father Stalin to bring back the law and order to this country? I'm from Chicago after all. These articles are hollow and empty and cliched - especially when we're talking about the alternative. Hilary? Really?
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The whole world is watching. What have we become? What has happened to this country that the whole world turns ir back on us? We are in Canada on holiday are everyone asks us what has happened in America? God have mercy on us
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This article is quite a reach, bordering on paranoia. The Times must getting desperate.
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I cannot be help notice the cowardly stand of the NYT when in puts political correctness in parentheses--as if it is something that does not exist. Wake up NYT and admit to playing a big part in creating it.
Trump's success shows that when important and strongly held feelings are hidden and not allowed to be acknowledged, they don't disappear but fester. Surprised NYT? I thought you'd be with your smug identification with the elite in the two coastal wings of the country.
And I'm not even white, but have great sympathy for them.
Trump's success shows that when important and strongly held feelings are hidden and not allowed to be acknowledged, they don't disappear but fester. Surprised NYT? I thought you'd be with your smug identification with the elite in the two coastal wings of the country.
And I'm not even white, but have great sympathy for them.
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The author missed a few important details.
David Duke's tenure as Grand Wizard of the KKK was somehow omitted?
And nor did the author mention that the picture of Hillary with the background of $100 bills and the star of david was pulled directly from a white supremacist website.
Details count, people.
David Duke's tenure as Grand Wizard of the KKK was somehow omitted?
And nor did the author mention that the picture of Hillary with the background of $100 bills and the star of david was pulled directly from a white supremacist website.
Details count, people.
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Lying about the email; being called "extremely careless" about matters of national security by the head of the FBI; conflicts of interest with with CGI; and prostituting your government experience for Goldman Sachs, middle eastern dictators and Russian oligarchs...those are all details too.
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A few minorities who posted here are saying they're voting for Trump. They claim to be educated with high paying professional jobs. I wonder. Maybe it's Trump's trolls posting as minority supporters, for how on Earth can an educated or uneducated person of any race vote for this narcissist -in-chief, hate monger?
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I know many Ph.Ds because of my educational background (I have one of those, too) and business activities. A few (VERY few) have told me that they will vote for Trump. Most amusingly to me, they live in DEEP BLUE states that should go D in the general election. The huge (YUUUGE) majority will vote AGAINST Trump, mostly for HRC, as I will do (while holding my nose).
Hey, there are a few people in any group who do some silly things. As long as they are the small minority, they are just a curiosity.
BIG DEAL.
Hey, there are a few people in any group who do some silly things. As long as they are the small minority, they are just a curiosity.
BIG DEAL.
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Well, I am such a person and I know many other such Trump supporters. All you need to do is to talk to them and then you will know better.
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Anything that upsets the people in charge of this mess, I support wholeheartedly. And no, it is not antisocial of me to support the downfall of an elite class that is destroying society. Since I can no longer support Bernie, I'll take the next "best" thing in Trump. I know he's a racist idiot, but I don't give a whit as long as the status quo hates him. It doesn't even matter what I think - I'm from California, the largest state in the union, where the contest is basically over before I get to vote. We don't even see candidate commercials out here! (Please don't use that as a reason to move here.)
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What a staggering defense of ignorance. No amount of in-depth Times reporting can help me to understand this viewpoint.
A disturbing portrayal of the hateful trends that the Trump campaign has unleashed, but it too readily accepts the notion that Trump voters are particular victims of globalization. Nate Silver and others have calculated Trump primary voters' household income at about $72,000, considerably higher than the national median or the median for both Sanders and Clinton voters. For those who are among the dispossessed, to think that a Trump presidency will do anything besides grind them down further is a delusion.
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Since Affirmative Action no longer benefits Asian-Americans, this privileged group should be declassified as white. And included in discussion along with redneck and ethnic whites.
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Meant reclassified
Trump will not bring the kind of change these "white folks" think will happen. His rhetoric is simply dishonest and misleading. He is, in the circus parlance, a carney man. He will say anything to get you into the "tent." Then he will do to this country exactly what he has done with his business - leave the little guy to fend for themselves.
The worst offence to these seemingly marginalized white folks is what the Republican Party has done to them. The Republicans have over the years become the party of deceit and disloyalty to their base, all the while telling them that they were doing for them what they needed. Wrong!
So, it is an illusion to think that a person like Trump of so little understanding of social issues, international issues and governance, military-industrial complexities, etc., could solve the very problems that these marginalized folks are concerned with.
To vote for him is clearly a step in the wrong direction.
The worst offence to these seemingly marginalized white folks is what the Republican Party has done to them. The Republicans have over the years become the party of deceit and disloyalty to their base, all the while telling them that they were doing for them what they needed. Wrong!
So, it is an illusion to think that a person like Trump of so little understanding of social issues, international issues and governance, military-industrial complexities, etc., could solve the very problems that these marginalized folks are concerned with.
To vote for him is clearly a step in the wrong direction.
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Sadly, even a lot of Republicans who openly criticize Trump's White Nationalism will turn up to vote for him in November. Look at Paul Ryan, who openly criticized Trump's remarks about Judge Curiel's Mexican heritage as "racist" is nevertheless still backing Trump as the Republican candidate for President.
If America does return to something like the bad old days of Jim Crow, Operation Wetback, and Japanese Internment Camps, it will because a lot of people who knew better went along with it.
If America does return to something like the bad old days of Jim Crow, Operation Wetback, and Japanese Internment Camps, it will because a lot of people who knew better went along with it.
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Seriously? The entire system was created to benefit White people from the cradle to the grave. When White school children and Black school children commit the same infractions in schools, Black kids are more like to face disciplinary actions such as suspensions or being expelled.
In the criminal justice system, when White and Black offenders with similar backgrounds commit the same crime, the White offender is more likely to get community control while the Black guy ends up in jail.
During the war on drugs, White who snorted powdered cocaine got considerably lighter sentences than Blacks that used crack even both forms of the drugs are chemically identical.
Industrial facilities such as recycling and chemical plants are more like to be located in Black neighborhoods than White neighborhoods. Public infrastructure such as sidewalks are more likely to be in White neighborhood. In fact, Black residents of Ocala, Florida had to sue the city in federal courts in order to have sidewalks built in the the "Black" side of town.
This whole country was set up on the idea of White supremacy. Native Americans, the Chinese, and Blacks were considered second class. Even though there were White indentured servants, they and their children was never subjected to generations of servitude with no hope of freedom. Not only did Black people faced generations of slavery, they were considered on 3/5 of a person.
So excuse me if I don't shed any tears for the plight of White folks.
In the criminal justice system, when White and Black offenders with similar backgrounds commit the same crime, the White offender is more likely to get community control while the Black guy ends up in jail.
During the war on drugs, White who snorted powdered cocaine got considerably lighter sentences than Blacks that used crack even both forms of the drugs are chemically identical.
Industrial facilities such as recycling and chemical plants are more like to be located in Black neighborhoods than White neighborhoods. Public infrastructure such as sidewalks are more likely to be in White neighborhood. In fact, Black residents of Ocala, Florida had to sue the city in federal courts in order to have sidewalks built in the the "Black" side of town.
This whole country was set up on the idea of White supremacy. Native Americans, the Chinese, and Blacks were considered second class. Even though there were White indentured servants, they and their children was never subjected to generations of servitude with no hope of freedom. Not only did Black people faced generations of slavery, they were considered on 3/5 of a person.
So excuse me if I don't shed any tears for the plight of White folks.
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I feel sorry for you as you have no wisdom.
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What the country as a whole is experiencing is similar to what Los Angeles was experiencing 25 years ago. We were in a bad place. The 1990-1991 recession had just happened. Worse, LA was hit hard by the post-Cold War defense budget cut and the bursting of Japan's bubble economy.
How did LA deal with it? Not very well. The beating of Mr Rodney King ignited the LA Riots. If not for the beating, another scuffle would have been the trigger. I hope the country does not repeat this kind of a tragedy again. For many, many people right now, the hurt is real. I don't know what a solution is, but tearing ourselves apart is not the solution.
How did LA deal with it? Not very well. The beating of Mr Rodney King ignited the LA Riots. If not for the beating, another scuffle would have been the trigger. I hope the country does not repeat this kind of a tragedy again. For many, many people right now, the hurt is real. I don't know what a solution is, but tearing ourselves apart is not the solution.
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The fact that author can write a piece of this length and completely ignore the impact of the working class jobs crisis on this election is completely mind boggling. I don't support Trump, but I fault every candidate for essentially turning their back on this issue. Trump is preying on this sense of hopelessness but no one is offering a rational solution.
The data has proven that working class whites are seeing a huge spike in stress-related mortality but the liberal elite doesn't want to sully themselves empathizing with "white trash". Unfortunately, that is exactly what we need to unify this country.
The data has proven that working class whites are seeing a huge spike in stress-related mortality but the liberal elite doesn't want to sully themselves empathizing with "white trash". Unfortunately, that is exactly what we need to unify this country.
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Struggling folks sure love the simplicity of finding a scapegoat to flog or deport.
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To put it bluntly, there are at least two "white americas" ... the one of whites who do not fear both mingling and competition with non-whites ... and the one that does.
Roughly speaking Trump's people are the second part of whites, and they are overwhelmingly older, male, less educated, and poorer. This may be their last election, to be of political significance.
The issue(s) may be about the younger white non-college-educated cohort, and the economy. Does it perform well enough so that there are reasonable opportunities for all?
We need a jobs program. We have major amounts of work worth doing; we must overhaul the whole energy supply, transportation and housing infrastructure of the country to cut CO2 emissions to about 1/4 of today's. Surely that can provide a generation or two's worth of jobs!
Roughly speaking Trump's people are the second part of whites, and they are overwhelmingly older, male, less educated, and poorer. This may be their last election, to be of political significance.
The issue(s) may be about the younger white non-college-educated cohort, and the economy. Does it perform well enough so that there are reasonable opportunities for all?
We need a jobs program. We have major amounts of work worth doing; we must overhaul the whole energy supply, transportation and housing infrastructure of the country to cut CO2 emissions to about 1/4 of today's. Surely that can provide a generation or two's worth of jobs!
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"Deindustrialization, driven in part by global trade, would devastate the economic fortunes of white men accustomed to making a decent living without a college degree."
It has affected the fortunes of all races. The Great Migration was driven by economic opportunity as Northern cities kept adding more and more manufacturing jobs which propelled people into the middle class regardless of race and regardless of level of education.
Why do you think so many people live in inner-city job deserts now? Their parents or grandparents didn't move to Northern cities so they could be poor in an urban environment. They came for work, for a better life.
It has affected the fortunes of all races. The Great Migration was driven by economic opportunity as Northern cities kept adding more and more manufacturing jobs which propelled people into the middle class regardless of race and regardless of level of education.
Why do you think so many people live in inner-city job deserts now? Their parents or grandparents didn't move to Northern cities so they could be poor in an urban environment. They came for work, for a better life.
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In a perverse sense of comeuppance, I hope that Trump becomes president. Once he destroys the country with his arrogance , instigate trade wars, ruin the credit worthiness of this nation, and get us involved in unnecessary military conflicts, what then?
What is his supporters going to do when he fails to build that wall and deport 11 million people who are here illegally? What are they going to do when those overseas jobs he promised fail to come back to this country?
If you want to dumb enough to vote for a racist misogynistic deceitful shape-shifting liar, go ahead. If you believe that Trump will solve the problems of White America, vote for him.
For years this nation has been designed to benefit White folks. Now that there have been a shift in the economy and globalization is a fact, they want to sing the blues. Maybe they should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman.
Trump promises of making America great again where there will be millions of factory jobs paying middle class wages, Blacks and other minorities will know their place, and women will choose housework over a career is a fantasy and a lie that will never come to pass.
The world has changed. Either White people can adapt or get left behind since there are plenty of White folks doing good in this new economy.
What is his supporters going to do when he fails to build that wall and deport 11 million people who are here illegally? What are they going to do when those overseas jobs he promised fail to come back to this country?
If you want to dumb enough to vote for a racist misogynistic deceitful shape-shifting liar, go ahead. If you believe that Trump will solve the problems of White America, vote for him.
For years this nation has been designed to benefit White folks. Now that there have been a shift in the economy and globalization is a fact, they want to sing the blues. Maybe they should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman.
Trump promises of making America great again where there will be millions of factory jobs paying middle class wages, Blacks and other minorities will know their place, and women will choose housework over a career is a fantasy and a lie that will never come to pass.
The world has changed. Either White people can adapt or get left behind since there are plenty of White folks doing good in this new economy.
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I don't know what you're bragging about since globalization only helps the Chinese.
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They will do what they always have done: blame others for their own ignorance.
Reading these articles leads me to believe that what these Trump supporters are really feeling is a loss of superiority. And Trump is fueling those fears. All he cares about is how to get richer. Funny how these Trump supporters forget where they came from and who they "conquered" and who, to this day, marginalize. Hint: they live on reservations.
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No one living in the US today was conquered.
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No one living today conquered the Native Americans. It is downright scary that some people think in terms of punishing or blaming present day people for things they never committed, and in fact depending on who they are, their ancestors never committed.My relatives never conquered the Native Americans.
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Decline???? I am enriched...by the diversity of our nation and our world, by the Iranian immigrant teacher that taught my children math and coached their soccer teams, by the black contractor that was honest and thorough in his work for me, by the neighboring Navajo family who's son invited him out for a weekend birthday party on the reservation, by the Hispanic crew from the city who promptly and with good cheer cleaned out our sewer lateral when my wife inadvertently flushed a diaper, by the Moslem family that provided friendship and solace to my Peace Corps son when he was far from home. I am the son of a blue-collar heavy equipment operator and a school teacher and I don't feel decline, I feel enrichment.
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This is the most uplifting message and vision of the benefits of CONTINUED American multiculturalism I've read in as long as I can remember.
People say we're losing our European ancestry?! We were founded to be a nation UNLIKE Europe! Not to mention the horrid history these people ignore of the US rejecting Irish and Jewish and other Europeans. Americans have never simply accepted those of European stock. America has always wanted immigrants that conform to its immediate definition of whiteness.
People say we're losing our European ancestry?! We were founded to be a nation UNLIKE Europe! Not to mention the horrid history these people ignore of the US rejecting Irish and Jewish and other Europeans. Americans have never simply accepted those of European stock. America has always wanted immigrants that conform to its immediate definition of whiteness.
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I can't believe what I'm reading:
[“Of course they don’t actually want Jews to die,” Mr. Dickerman said. “They want to shock.” His peers, he added, “are kids who don’t really know about the Holocaust.”]
It's positively frightening that lessons have not been learned. It's all very well to push American history (which includes a large dose of myth) by rote, but somewhere along the line, our society has failed to teach its young the history that matters. Godwin's Law be damned, I can't help thinking of Germany's immediate pre-Nazi era.
[“Of course they don’t actually want Jews to die,” Mr. Dickerman said. “They want to shock.” His peers, he added, “are kids who don’t really know about the Holocaust.”]
It's positively frightening that lessons have not been learned. It's all very well to push American history (which includes a large dose of myth) by rote, but somewhere along the line, our society has failed to teach its young the history that matters. Godwin's Law be damned, I can't help thinking of Germany's immediate pre-Nazi era.
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A friend of mine recently had a conversation with some recent college graduates and was shocked to learn that none of them knew anything about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor or the Battle of Britain.
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I agree. The country is uncomfortably similar right now to Germany in the early '30s,
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I get it. I understand why black people are angry over the killing of black men by police officers. I agree that lethal force should be the last choice once ALL other options have been exhausted. It's far to easy to pull the trigger. I agree that policing policies should be examined. Maybe we should look to our neighbors across the ocean where they do not carry guns for answers. We have become far too violent as a nation and that includes all races.
What I don't get is the lack of accountability that predominates black culture. Why challenge a police officer when pulled over? If he says put your hands on the wheel, behind your back, or down on the ground, why not comply? I do -- it has happened to me several times and I'm white.
In our multicultural neighborhood, we have had multiple robberies, assaults, and police officers killed. The assailants are predominantly black. A police officer was killed the other day chasing a black man caught shoplifting at a local big box store. A police officer was killed 3 years ago chasing a black man caught robbing a local store. I can't complain about this and I'm sure you won't publish this because of political correctness. But when my neighbor's 17 yo daughter is held up at gunpoint, in her driveway by two black men, my neighbor four doors down is robbed by black men, my neighbor at the end of the street is robbed by four black men, the 18yo pizza cashier is gunned down by a black man,etc., what am I supposed to think?
What I don't get is the lack of accountability that predominates black culture. Why challenge a police officer when pulled over? If he says put your hands on the wheel, behind your back, or down on the ground, why not comply? I do -- it has happened to me several times and I'm white.
In our multicultural neighborhood, we have had multiple robberies, assaults, and police officers killed. The assailants are predominantly black. A police officer was killed the other day chasing a black man caught shoplifting at a local big box store. A police officer was killed 3 years ago chasing a black man caught robbing a local store. I can't complain about this and I'm sure you won't publish this because of political correctness. But when my neighbor's 17 yo daughter is held up at gunpoint, in her driveway by two black men, my neighbor four doors down is robbed by black men, my neighbor at the end of the street is robbed by four black men, the 18yo pizza cashier is gunned down by a black man,etc., what am I supposed to think?
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Statistically, 80% of crime is committed against someone of the same race as the perpetrator, whether white or black. But if you're in the 20%, it's of course going to influence your perspective. i suggest the book, "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks", an engrossing read that also happens to be one of the best books I've ever read for explaining the kind of fear and suspicion that permeates much of the Black community today, and the generally tense relationship between authorities and Black citizens. It's not an answer, but it's tremendous insight.
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Must we label our comments as tongue in cheek, sarcastic or ironic? I wrote earlier expressing a possible view from the original residents of North America, stating that they regretted welcoming the emigres from Europe. How did Trump's and my ancestors get here from Scotland?
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Between the comments here and the agenda of the Republican party, Trump will find himself in over his head and yearning for the dazzle-me-blind days of opening another star-studded (but losing) casino. Good luck.
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The whole world is watching. What have we become? What has happened to this country that the whole world turns ir back on us? We are in Canada on holiday are everyone asks us what has happened in America? God have mercy on us
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I think the article (p A12? Should have been A1, if below the fold) does a better job, in being less pejorative.
It cites the dynamic of group identities, and interactions. In the more traditional Academic approach Anthropology would invoke the relation of Phratries in a conflict, what I studied once had the Dinka and Nuer as subjects. (& the difference between Anthropology and Sociology is interesting, as an aside, based on the intellectuals being on the outs looking in in France, and inside looking out for the Brits, basically).
If things look iffy for the largest segment of voters, security wise, they will vote what they perceive as "my group".
Just as atavistic as the preference for a male in a war-ish time.
That is the Dem dilemma now
(oh, we all get "print screen"'s meaning don't we?)
It cites the dynamic of group identities, and interactions. In the more traditional Academic approach Anthropology would invoke the relation of Phratries in a conflict, what I studied once had the Dinka and Nuer as subjects. (& the difference between Anthropology and Sociology is interesting, as an aside, based on the intellectuals being on the outs looking in in France, and inside looking out for the Brits, basically).
If things look iffy for the largest segment of voters, security wise, they will vote what they perceive as "my group".
Just as atavistic as the preference for a male in a war-ish time.
That is the Dem dilemma now
(oh, we all get "print screen"'s meaning don't we?)
For the privileged, equality can feel a lot like prejudice.
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I prefer to think of raising all people up rather than pulling some groups down.
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Donald Trump is the personification of white racist identity politics. He has exposed the underbelly of our myth that the United States is a land of liberty and justice for all.
He attracts those who think that America is (or should be) the land of liberty and justice for "Whites Only."
He attracts those who think that America is (or should be) the land of liberty and justice for "Whites Only."
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He needs to be stopped. It is the utter imperative for all of us and our children. I have re organize my life in response to the developments in this presidential election because of my genuinely caring about this work we live in. I'm not perfect. But I care about other people. I'm trying to help. I'm trying my very hardest. I need allies.
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I like the comments that are honest. All these people concealing their real interest in some sort of patriotic cause or true belief in Trump's ability are full of it.
If you're a conservative, and you proclaim your love for Trump, explain how his multiple marriages, open adultery, and unpaid employees/contractors sit well with your morality? He's been every bit as liberal as Hillary with far worse actions in his personal life.
If you're a believer in his economic prowess, then have you heard of Google? Atlantic City, the multiple bankruptcies, the refusal to release his tax returns, the fact that he isn't self made as much as he's a kid born on 3rd base who inherited a business, a substantial amount of money, and has done little more then sell his name for licensing fees in the last 20 years. What's the expertise?
If you're worried about the nations security, then surely you prefer the far more hawkish pol like Hillary who has been traveling the world as Sec of State who will understand far more about what is actually going on on DAY 1.
Finally, if you're that much of a Hillary hater tell me what Country/Continent 'Benghazi' is located in without using Google? Explain how many more lies Hillary has been caught in then Trump who has Pinocchio status on all the Fact Check sites?
Just come right out and say Trump seems like the better deal for my white interest. We'll respect you more.
If you're a conservative, and you proclaim your love for Trump, explain how his multiple marriages, open adultery, and unpaid employees/contractors sit well with your morality? He's been every bit as liberal as Hillary with far worse actions in his personal life.
If you're a believer in his economic prowess, then have you heard of Google? Atlantic City, the multiple bankruptcies, the refusal to release his tax returns, the fact that he isn't self made as much as he's a kid born on 3rd base who inherited a business, a substantial amount of money, and has done little more then sell his name for licensing fees in the last 20 years. What's the expertise?
If you're worried about the nations security, then surely you prefer the far more hawkish pol like Hillary who has been traveling the world as Sec of State who will understand far more about what is actually going on on DAY 1.
Finally, if you're that much of a Hillary hater tell me what Country/Continent 'Benghazi' is located in without using Google? Explain how many more lies Hillary has been caught in then Trump who has Pinocchio status on all the Fact Check sites?
Just come right out and say Trump seems like the better deal for my white interest. We'll respect you more.
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Trump's sins of the past and present are so pervasive, that journalists have to carry a Thesaurus to muster the words to try and describe his latest diatribe.
With his bullying style and abrasive language, he will build a "wall of hate" around the U.S.and make American weaker in dealing with world powers. As Justice Ginsberg said, Trump's a faker and folks who lie, cheat and demean there way to the top have a long way to fall.
With his bullying style and abrasive language, he will build a "wall of hate" around the U.S.and make American weaker in dealing with world powers. As Justice Ginsberg said, Trump's a faker and folks who lie, cheat and demean there way to the top have a long way to fall.
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Unfortunately, we will all fall with him.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people have been bamboozled by Donald Trump, most of them in other parts of the country but not in NYC where we have lived with this horrible man for decades and know what a low-life liar and fraud he is. Here is a news flash, people: he doesn't give a fig about you; if he's elected president (god forbid!) he will never do any of the things he has said he will do; he hates you all because he thinks you are losers ("I love the low education people") and only he and his fellow billionaires (although I don't think he is one because he gets a middle class tax break from NYC meant for people who make $500,000 or less) are worthwhile, not because they are good people but because they are rich. I feel sorry for all those who will vote for him and, when and if he becomes president, he will crush you (and unfortunately all of us) into the ground.
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In "Idiocracy" an American time traveler of average intelligence woke in the future to find that the "uneducated" population of the United States had propogated so much that there were no longer any intelligent, common-sense citizens left, and the President was a narcissistic former smackdown wrestler and buffoon named Dwayne "Mountain Dew" Camacho. It was a complete fiction, and a comedy at that, but it is no laughing matter when we see in the present day a narcissistic buffoon running for President and masses of the electorate flocking to his support without thinking through that candidate's lack of qualifications and suitability, and where this will lead us as a country. Sad to say that our reality may soon imitate that movie's fiction.
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In September 2012 the Times' Public Editor, Margaret Sullivan, wrote a fantastic cautionary column about "false balance," which she described as "the journalistic practice of giving equal weight to both sides of a story, regardless of an established truth on one side."
For Mr. Confessore to indulge Trump's apologists and write, with petit prevarication, that "Mr. Trump tweeted a graphic depicting... a six-pointed star that many viewed as a Star of David" is, by pretending that there is a basis for any meaningful debate as to the nature of the star and its role in the image at issue, to flirt with the very false balance Ms. Sullivan cautioned against.
Ms. Sullivan closed out her column with these cautionary words:
"Journalists need to make every effort to get beyond the spin and help readers know what to believe, to help them make their way through complicated and contentious subjects."
Mr. Confessor had a job here, and his job was not to pretend that there is any reasonable doubt as to what purpose the star - which was obviously intended to be a Star of David - was serving in the image.
Perhaps it's time for a republication of Ms. Sullivan's column. Its cautions should not be forgotten.
For Mr. Confessore to indulge Trump's apologists and write, with petit prevarication, that "Mr. Trump tweeted a graphic depicting... a six-pointed star that many viewed as a Star of David" is, by pretending that there is a basis for any meaningful debate as to the nature of the star and its role in the image at issue, to flirt with the very false balance Ms. Sullivan cautioned against.
Ms. Sullivan closed out her column with these cautionary words:
"Journalists need to make every effort to get beyond the spin and help readers know what to believe, to help them make their way through complicated and contentious subjects."
Mr. Confessor had a job here, and his job was not to pretend that there is any reasonable doubt as to what purpose the star - which was obviously intended to be a Star of David - was serving in the image.
Perhaps it's time for a republication of Ms. Sullivan's column. Its cautions should not be forgotten.
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Thank you for your anecdotes of the far right side of DJT's support.
One supposes that HRC likewise attracts supporters from the far left side, perhaps such as those who would nationalize all private property or outlaw all firearms. Don't nearly all presidential candidates receive support from those with a broad range of attitudes and beliefs?
Institutional attacks on European-American values continue to propel an increasing share of American voters to the Trump bandwagon. Polls are shifting markedly, meaning that supporters of DJT represent a broadening spectrum.
America is a big tent. Extreme supporters are a characteristic of every campaign. It is to be welcomed, not feared.
One supposes that HRC likewise attracts supporters from the far left side, perhaps such as those who would nationalize all private property or outlaw all firearms. Don't nearly all presidential candidates receive support from those with a broad range of attitudes and beliefs?
Institutional attacks on European-American values continue to propel an increasing share of American voters to the Trump bandwagon. Polls are shifting markedly, meaning that supporters of DJT represent a broadening spectrum.
America is a big tent. Extreme supporters are a characteristic of every campaign. It is to be welcomed, not feared.
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Trump claimed victory in a broken primary system that enables someone with just 7% of his parties registered voters' votes to become the nominee. 97% of Republicans registered to vote voted for someone else. His candidacy isn't a movement, it's the result of apathy that keeps 80% of voters home on primary day.
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As a Kid, until the age of 12, each Time I was grounded by my Parents or not invited to a friend or Neighbor Picnic , I would do the American Indian Rain Dance Ritual ( It never worked). I could not stand The Idea of my friends having Fun without me . So I would practice the American Indian Rain Dance Ritual, that I read and watched in Movies (It never worked). I was hoping that a Rain will automatically ground my Friends or put an End to the Picnic.
My Point is, Most voters who support Trump are not Racist or Xenophobe as this article wants us to believe. They will vote for Trump because they feel like they have not been invited to the Party ( Globalization).
They have Nothing to lose.
My Point is, Most voters who support Trump are not Racist or Xenophobe as this article wants us to believe. They will vote for Trump because they feel like they have not been invited to the Party ( Globalization).
They have Nothing to lose.
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Washington is effectively useless to its constituency: American citizens. Maybe this is the most valid reason for Trump's nomination and some Sanders' supporters' irreverence for HRC. I won't vote for Trump, but should he win, I'll happily watch our national government implode.
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always nice to meet another anarchist
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If you want to understand Washington, consider that only 16-20% of a party's members turn out to vote in primaries... And those who turn out tend to be the most vocal, hardcore of the party. As a result, Washington skews more extreme on both sides of the aisle than the general public. Add in the cameras of CSPAN and social media putting Congress on a 24-hour stag, and you're going to get a totally different population than thirty years ago.
We said we wanted to stop back room deals - but those deals let people of both parties hash out compromises that were the best outcome for their constituent. Now, voters treat lawmaking like a reality show and reward lawmakers who showboat, yell, pound the desk, and take pride in their absolutist views.
How can we blame politicians for the state of the government without blaming ourselves???
We said we wanted to stop back room deals - but those deals let people of both parties hash out compromises that were the best outcome for their constituent. Now, voters treat lawmaking like a reality show and reward lawmakers who showboat, yell, pound the desk, and take pride in their absolutist views.
How can we blame politicians for the state of the government without blaming ourselves???
I am a democrat and my representative votes in Congress 90% along what I approve. These days he is not able to get much done which I understand. I don't know what conservatives are expecting from their representatives. It seems that they are not served as I am.
Equality does not equal oppression.
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White people have had hundreds of years to prepare for globalisation - opportunities and privilege aplenty (or at least 50 years since the GI Bill). What does it say about a group of people that insists on minimal levels of education and skills training for itself? The Steve Earl song "Copperhead Road" comes to mind. The good 'ol grandson goes to Vietnam and comes home with "a brand new plan", which is growing and distributing marijuana [not going to college to become an agronomist to help develop legitimate agriculture].
There is a ladder of opportunity in the USA that is rigged with extreme levels of college debt, but it exists. Many minorities are climbing the ladder - it makes sense, right. Where are you on the ladder? Are you making smart choices for a globalised economy, which is not going away? Or are you retreating into convenient and lazy victimology and bigotry? Your choices and actions define you, not your skin or family history. Where is the Christian message of peace, love and compassion in the gaseous emissions of the Trumpers?
There is a ladder of opportunity in the USA that is rigged with extreme levels of college debt, but it exists. Many minorities are climbing the ladder - it makes sense, right. Where are you on the ladder? Are you making smart choices for a globalised economy, which is not going away? Or are you retreating into convenient and lazy victimology and bigotry? Your choices and actions define you, not your skin or family history. Where is the Christian message of peace, love and compassion in the gaseous emissions of the Trumpers?
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Just as in the case of black people half of white people have an IQ that is under 100. The mark of a society should be how they take care of that half. We should spend more time trying to provide meaningful and well-paying work for that half then the half that has an IQ over 100. No matter what your color if you are a multi-million dollar sports star or hedge fund manager life is good and you can do whatever you want. Society should focus on the other half.
Gotta watch out when the white boys get mad. Remember that little old civil war? They do.
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It's exactly this type of trolling headline that indicates the NYT has devolved to a partisan rag.
Where's all the love and unity that the Democrats keep saying we have to have to heal the nation? Oh - I get it now. It doesn't apply to whites, citizens, old people, legal immigrants, etc. - or anyone with any common sense that sees this an an extension of the old identity politics.
News flash NYT - most people see through this garbage. Keep publishing these headlines and articles that divide the country rather than unite it, and see what happens.
Where's all the love and unity that the Democrats keep saying we have to have to heal the nation? Oh - I get it now. It doesn't apply to whites, citizens, old people, legal immigrants, etc. - or anyone with any common sense that sees this an an extension of the old identity politics.
News flash NYT - most people see through this garbage. Keep publishing these headlines and articles that divide the country rather than unite it, and see what happens.
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That's the whole point of this article: Mr. Trump seeks to divide people by race, by gender, by sexual orientation, by religion, by ethnicity, and even disability. Do we really want a leader who will divide this country further? Unity means treating other people with respect and courtesy no matter their race, gender, orientation, religion, ethnicity, or if they are disabled. Mr. Trump fails in all these categories. He's a spoiled rich baby who doesn't give a damn about anybody but himself. If you'd read what Mr. Trump has said day after day, I think you'd have no doubt that he uses divisive rhetoric to inflame what's the very worst in people.
Lja -
"Unity means treating other people with respect and courtesy no matter their race, gender, orientation, religion, ethnicity, or if they are disabled."
Well the Democrats certainly don't treat people that have different views from them with respect, and there are a whole lot of them that disagree.
I hear far more fascist action and talking points from the Democrats, with "safe spaces," "microagressions," and policies that not only demonize but try the person who dares cross their version of "respect and courtesy," as well as policies that destroy the working and middle classes, the supposed backbone of the Democrat constituency.
And funny enough that lack of respect is perfectly displayed by the headline of this article and the writer's comments, but since whites aren't on the Democrats list of aggrieved interest groups, it's fine.
"Unity means treating other people with respect and courtesy no matter their race, gender, orientation, religion, ethnicity, or if they are disabled."
Well the Democrats certainly don't treat people that have different views from them with respect, and there are a whole lot of them that disagree.
I hear far more fascist action and talking points from the Democrats, with "safe spaces," "microagressions," and policies that not only demonize but try the person who dares cross their version of "respect and courtesy," as well as policies that destroy the working and middle classes, the supposed backbone of the Democrat constituency.
And funny enough that lack of respect is perfectly displayed by the headline of this article and the writer's comments, but since whites aren't on the Democrats list of aggrieved interest groups, it's fine.
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I don't know what I fear the most about Trump - his bigotry or his utter unpreparedness for the most demanding job on Earth.
George W. Bush dragged the nation through hell, but at least even his most ardent detractors can see he was a good, decent man.
Trump lacks both the decency and brains to be even mayor of a small town, let alone president of the Untied States!
George W. Bush dragged the nation through hell, but at least even his most ardent detractors can see he was a good, decent man.
Trump lacks both the decency and brains to be even mayor of a small town, let alone president of the Untied States!
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I wouldn't nominate him for dog catcher or the sewer authority.
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After all of this and all the unsaid, I prefer Trump to any of the other republican candidates somehow and I can't explain it.
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i chose to read and write about the article "For Whites Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Unleashes Words Of Resistance" because it caught my attention. In my opinion i think trump is very racist. As the article says "Mr.Trump has attacked Mexicans as criminals." which is true and he has banned on Muslim immigrants. The white people are the ones that feel confused who don't feel powerful or privileged. In over half a century in american culture, Trump has mentioned facts and statements of white identity and resentment in a way we haven't seen so clearly. Trump supporters and students whos study the interplay of race and rhetoric claims that trump takes many forms just like the article says "from earnest if muddled rebellion to deeper and more elaborate bigotry". Some students support/embrace trump because they see him as rebelling against the rules of privilege and microaggression. Trump has alot of hate over the internet and anti-Semitism. Especially after when trump posted Hilary Clinton's face with piles of cash with a six pointed star, many saw it as the star of david. People like the whites and blacks keeps america what it is. Like patriotism, pride, fear...without those we are not america. Since Trump began his campaign they say that race relations are getting worse and increasing. The sharpest rise was the republicans such as Sixty percent. Inn two bids for the Republican nomination, candidate Patrick J. won a total of four states while trump won 37. wow that's big.
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Donald Trump is a brain washer everything Donald said is based on projects was already made,is he made his own employees happy or change their wages ?, I don't think so.
We don't know if these cartoons made by people working with Donald, no one before said anything about him, whatever we know today was because himself, I want to know something I don't know.
We don't know if these cartoons made by people working with Donald, no one before said anything about him, whatever we know today was because himself, I want to know something I don't know.
I can't imagine many white privileged men giving power or position away to anybody out of the goodness of their hearts. No species would do that. It's suicide. And as things have gotten much tougher in this world with globalization and technology making jobs and resources more dear, escalating squabbles, and worse, for those things can only be expected. It's not going to be pretty. I suggest zero population growth.
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"Help, I'm being repressed!"
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One more idea: Last night I left the college about 8:30p and walked into a field of human fireflies -- a rather large gathering of students playing Pokemon Go. On the one hand, it was beautiful - all races together having a little “peaceful” fun (I’m not completely convinced hunting down the little guy is essentially peaceful just because it’s digital). On the other hand, it was freakish. Not a “minds-on” kind of activity and they looked robotic -- and nothing made in America, for sure.
What’s the connection to Trump? What I saw was 21st globalized behavior of young people. Not everyone thinks that’s a good way to live or is the means to maintaining our leadership role in the world. I think people are saying there is a way of life at stake here, and they want that card on the table because they helped build that life.
No judgement here, just trying to figure it out.
What’s the connection to Trump? What I saw was 21st globalized behavior of young people. Not everyone thinks that’s a good way to live or is the means to maintaining our leadership role in the world. I think people are saying there is a way of life at stake here, and they want that card on the table because they helped build that life.
No judgement here, just trying to figure it out.
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Ask an Irish person in 1890 if they felt welcome and encouraged to contribute to the European culture of the US... Given the "No Irish Need Apply" signs that were later replaced with "Whites Only ", i doubt it.
We live with a mythology that European culture is American culture - but there is no such thing as European culture. Ask an Italian if he and a Swede skate the same culture, and he'll laugh!
What most people supporting Trump believe is that white Christian culture is the only culture that will keep America from collapsing because they viscerally think that's what America was built on, and America is successful beyond any other country's dreams. Except... There are lots of white Christian countries in Europe today,c and none were as successful as the US.
In other words, something other than our race and religion made the country what it is today. So if you consider what's different about us it's natural resources, plentiful land, the ability of virtually anyone to open their own business with little capital, and, yes, unparalleled cultural diversity... Dating back to the 18th century.
New Orleans is a city of black and white and native Americans, of Creole did and language, Acadian culture,. French and Spanish... Caribbean, too. Is it un-American, then? Or do we just ignore the anomalies, because it doesn't fit our narrative?
We live with a mythology that European culture is American culture - but there is no such thing as European culture. Ask an Italian if he and a Swede skate the same culture, and he'll laugh!
What most people supporting Trump believe is that white Christian culture is the only culture that will keep America from collapsing because they viscerally think that's what America was built on, and America is successful beyond any other country's dreams. Except... There are lots of white Christian countries in Europe today,c and none were as successful as the US.
In other words, something other than our race and religion made the country what it is today. So if you consider what's different about us it's natural resources, plentiful land, the ability of virtually anyone to open their own business with little capital, and, yes, unparalleled cultural diversity... Dating back to the 18th century.
New Orleans is a city of black and white and native Americans, of Creole did and language, Acadian culture,. French and Spanish... Caribbean, too. Is it un-American, then? Or do we just ignore the anomalies, because it doesn't fit our narrative?
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What a specious load of garbage.
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You are right Donald, the original citizenry of North America welcomed the white settlers from across the seas. these immigrants turned on their hosts killing most of them and subjecting the survivors to live in detention camps called reservations.
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Trump supporters are accountable for their choice as President. They will not succeed, no matter how hard they try to blame their votes on the establishment, the elite, the Mexicans, etc.
The character of their candidate is one that they choose, and we, their fellow Americans, will hold them responsible for their choice.
The character of their candidate is one that they choose, and we, their fellow Americans, will hold them responsible for their choice.
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He is the last great white dope. His ideas run somewhat along
the lines of:
- Bring back coal mining jobs and export coal to China and impose severe tariffs should China refuse to accept this
- Withdraw from NATO. Bring the soldiers to protect our own borders. Provide every man, woman and child with a gun so that they can shoot themselves in the foot, target practice on their neighbors, have unabashed fun by spraying billets in public places.
- Build walls to keep Mexicans out, to prevent oceans encroaching on our golden sandy beaches, to prevent Islamic terrorists from disseminating information over the Internet
- Espouse break up of EU, tear up trade agreements with everyone we trade with and replace it with agreements favorable to US and not so favorable to them because US is the greatest power and everyone else is not so great and not so smart and they definitely want to do business with US in return for branding their country as 'Doing business with US' in gold letters
,..
the lines of:
- Bring back coal mining jobs and export coal to China and impose severe tariffs should China refuse to accept this
- Withdraw from NATO. Bring the soldiers to protect our own borders. Provide every man, woman and child with a gun so that they can shoot themselves in the foot, target practice on their neighbors, have unabashed fun by spraying billets in public places.
- Build walls to keep Mexicans out, to prevent oceans encroaching on our golden sandy beaches, to prevent Islamic terrorists from disseminating information over the Internet
- Espouse break up of EU, tear up trade agreements with everyone we trade with and replace it with agreements favorable to US and not so favorable to them because US is the greatest power and everyone else is not so great and not so smart and they definitely want to do business with US in return for branding their country as 'Doing business with US' in gold letters
,..
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Q: who is going to help this voting bloc, who can provide emotional and material sustenance, tangible benefits like retraining for relevant service and gainful employment, who can possibly being to assuage the mindless lashing out, the fear and loathing of this increasingly obsolete white American proletariat?
A: Banks? Corporations? Billionaire Robber Barons born with silver spoons in their mouths? Hahahaha, that's rich. Literally.
Was it Reagan who said, "government's not the solution; government's the problem"?
It's a hard rain gonna fall, folks.
A: Banks? Corporations? Billionaire Robber Barons born with silver spoons in their mouths? Hahahaha, that's rich. Literally.
Was it Reagan who said, "government's not the solution; government's the problem"?
It's a hard rain gonna fall, folks.
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After almost eight years of President Obama, are African-Americans and other Progessives really better off? Or did President Obama really just benefit the 1%?
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@Tony, kind of an unfair question, since he was hamstrung by the right that blocked anything and everything that he attempted.
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President Obama wasn't in this alone. When he tried to get a comprehensive stimulus package which would've benefitted the middle and lower classes he was obstructed all the way by Republicans. They kept going on about budget deficits even though GW Bush exploded the deficit during his time in office. Context is important.
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Hillary is just really really lucky to run against such despicable man.
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The people who really anger me are the middle-class whites in their 60's who benefited from blue-collar union jobs for most of their working lives, now vote Republican. The GOP wants to destroy all unions except for the police and firefighters. They are stabbing the younger versions of themselves in the back.
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The photo of racist/nationalist Richard Spencer looks like something he'd be proud to use on his boy band album cover. Maybe the Times should consider less flattering, heroically lit photos of racist "leaders" when they do interviews in the future.
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History just might be the most important subject in the curriculum. Maybe it's time we elevate its status in public education. In the study of history one learns 1) the good 'ole days weren't so good 2) humans are a nanosecond away from barbarism.
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a nanosecond may even be a strech
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"Mr. Trump has also opened the door to assertions of white identity and resentment in a way not seen so broadly in American culture in over half a century"
I find it interesting the Times considers this dangerous NOW when every other racial group has been "asserting its identity", often in very overtly racist ways, sometimes violent, like the BLM shooter in dallas crowing about "killing white cops".
Anyone who believes racism is reserved for the right now has this article to disprove it. I think the author mistakenly picked up the sports whistle rather than the dog whistle.
I find it interesting the Times considers this dangerous NOW when every other racial group has been "asserting its identity", often in very overtly racist ways, sometimes violent, like the BLM shooter in dallas crowing about "killing white cops".
Anyone who believes racism is reserved for the right now has this article to disprove it. I think the author mistakenly picked up the sports whistle rather than the dog whistle.
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To all of these angry white voters who feel they've lost out to minorities I'd offer a magic pill that could make them black or Latino. How many would take it? Zero.
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Those feeling disenfranchised and rallying for Trump are supporting someone who cannot possibly relate to how they really feel or live which makes him just as much a part of the wealthy establishment, if not so, worse than all others. Trump isn't going to stop trade and create parity among the working class! Deals are his MO, his talent (or lack therof seeing his bamkrupcy history) is in money, and those who have money are the only people he will represent. Silver-spooners cannot possibly have a connection or true concern for the working class and lead this country out of its economic mess.
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Whoa, dude ... whites are suffering from "bewilderment and anger" because they do not feel "at all powerful or priviledged"? Does this mean they will only be OK if they have more power than minorities or at least some great priviledges? Kinda hard to build a balanced society using that equation. Besides, aren't they supposed to be the smart one (hence, not bewildered).
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Congratulations! NYT found the 12 white supremacists who support Trump. How about interviewing the homeless people you step over while fantasizing how you'll take down "the Donald." Many homeless are talented and fit to work but can't find jobs. Labor wages have been destroyed by this administration which has ignored our immigration restrictions. Why? Wealthy Baby Boomer's want cheap gardeners and carpenters. It's not white privilege that's in decline, it's the respect for the American worker.
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American Serf, you are living in cloud cuckoo land "Many homeless are talented but can't find jobs" - talented in what? Underwater basket weaving? America is a full employment and there are thousands of jobs that cannot be filled because there are no Americans to fill them. We have to bring in Indians, Chinese and Russians to take high paying jobs because Americans would rather lay in the gutter and complain than go get a certificate in Ruby on Rails or whatever is in high demand.
How presumptuous of the authors to believe they know what white people think, and to lump all whites as white people. This analysis or article is completely flawed by racial bias.
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Trump is a bull in a China shop, and has been doing everything possible to actually lose this election. And he may yet lose the election. The real danger is that he has mobilized a bloc of voters who are just waiting for their more professional, more polished Greg Stillson to arrive. When that day comes, we will all be in The Dead Zone.
I am a well-educated female minority immigrant. I am for Trump and for common sense.
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OK, but which one are you going to vote for?
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"I am for Trump and for common sense."
I'm sorry, but you can only have one of those at a time.
I'm sorry, but you can only have one of those at a time.
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