Where would you rather live and raise a family? With the beautiful landscape and ocean views of California or the dry 100 degree tempatures of the flatlands of OKCity a land without true culture. Bay area is the place to be. Also, play with Steph and Klay while you know Westbrook will be gone after next season. Congrats on Smart move KD.
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If you can't beat them;
Join them...
Join them...
The problem started when the NBA raised its team salary cap $25 million this summer and will raise it another $15 million for next season. This gave a team like Golden State the loophole it needed to sign a player like Kevin Durant. Moreover, the Warriors used the loophole of contract structuring to give Durant a two-year deal with a player option for the second season, meaning Golden State does not have to make a sign-and-trade deal to compensate Oklahoma City.
The issues with the Durant signing is there is no compensating action for acquiring Durant. Durant actually will make more money playing for Golden State in 2016-17 ($27.15 million average per year) compared to his final year in Oklahoma City ($20.16 million). Golden State delivers an irreparable blow to a playoff rival and then adds salt to the wound by not having to pay cash, draft picks or players in return.
The point of the collective bargaining agreement was to create fair trade and competition for all teams as much as possible. This is why the last CBA came about in 2011 after LeBron James and Chris Bosh left their teams in free agency to go to Miami. It was also the reason the CBA in the 1990s stopped teams get outbid by other teams in an effort to retain their players (see Shaquille O'Neal going from Orlando to Los Angeles).
The NBA should have increased the salary cap by $5 million each year for eight years instead of flooding the market with cash. If it did, Durant likely would be with OKC today.
The issues with the Durant signing is there is no compensating action for acquiring Durant. Durant actually will make more money playing for Golden State in 2016-17 ($27.15 million average per year) compared to his final year in Oklahoma City ($20.16 million). Golden State delivers an irreparable blow to a playoff rival and then adds salt to the wound by not having to pay cash, draft picks or players in return.
The point of the collective bargaining agreement was to create fair trade and competition for all teams as much as possible. This is why the last CBA came about in 2011 after LeBron James and Chris Bosh left their teams in free agency to go to Miami. It was also the reason the CBA in the 1990s stopped teams get outbid by other teams in an effort to retain their players (see Shaquille O'Neal going from Orlando to Los Angeles).
The NBA should have increased the salary cap by $5 million each year for eight years instead of flooding the market with cash. If it did, Durant likely would be with OKC today.
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Unless you believe they are idiots - OKC rolled the dice - they lost that bet - get over it.
Part deux - let's see if they roll the dice again with Westbrook.
Part deux - let's see if they roll the dice again with Westbrook.
What people don't mention ever, and it kind of stupefies me, is the fact that a very rich black man in the prime of his life leaves a place like Oklahoma City for San Francisco and the bay area.
Apart the fact it makes sense in terms of career, it makes even more sense if you want to experience the world at large and be exposed to things that happen only in the bay area before everywhere else; he will meet difference makers, influencers, idea makers, have the sea and the mountains at his disposal, can take a plane to everywhere. He's from Washington, makes all the sense in the world. OK City is in the middle of nowhere, culturally extremely backward (creationism anyone? Racism anyone? Guns everywhere, women rights trampled regularly and will likely vote Trump), moving to the bay area makes all the sense in the world and I am sure all the kids that want to see the world that already moved from repressive and regressive red states middle US to San Fran can only agree.....he basically just showed that basketball, as important as it is for his life, it is not everything and he said so clearly in his press release....Good luck Kevin!
Apart the fact it makes sense in terms of career, it makes even more sense if you want to experience the world at large and be exposed to things that happen only in the bay area before everywhere else; he will meet difference makers, influencers, idea makers, have the sea and the mountains at his disposal, can take a plane to everywhere. He's from Washington, makes all the sense in the world. OK City is in the middle of nowhere, culturally extremely backward (creationism anyone? Racism anyone? Guns everywhere, women rights trampled regularly and will likely vote Trump), moving to the bay area makes all the sense in the world and I am sure all the kids that want to see the world that already moved from repressive and regressive red states middle US to San Fran can only agree.....he basically just showed that basketball, as important as it is for his life, it is not everything and he said so clearly in his press release....Good luck Kevin!
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Excellent points...OKC vs the Bay Area? Child please....
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By the way, aren't the Thunder the same team that told Seattle build them a new stadium, at tax payer expense of course or they would pack up and move? As they say, what goes around, comes around.
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And as evident in the comments in Seattle Times to Durant's choosing Warriors over Thunder they have NOT forgotten much less forgiven.
see http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/oklahoma-citys-pain-in-losing-kev...
see http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/oklahoma-citys-pain-in-losing-kev...
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Yup, it's clear that Durant knew he was going to make huge money wherever he went. So he decided that he wanted a ring and the best way to get one was with Golden State. I can't blame him. The reality of the NBA is that you are one injury away from the bench and two away from being out the door. While fans lament the lack of loyalty, the reality is that pro sports are cut throat when it comes to business. The only thing that's changed is that under free agency now the players are in the game.
Karma to OKC owners for betraying Seattle.
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With this one move Durant weakens OKC who came very close to beating the Warriors in the playoffs, and strengthens the Warriors while at the same time gutting their bench of important role players. They'd better pray that none of the star players gets hurt because their team 'depth' is now gone. This also puts more pressure on the Warriors:if they don't win it all next season, it's a miserable failure.
Are they up to handling the pressure? Based on the strangely sub-par performances of Curry and Thompson in game 7 of the finals I'd have to say no. The only guy on their team who stepped up his game under pressure was Green and all of his teammates played with that 'deer in the headlights' look.
Are they up to handling the pressure? Based on the strangely sub-par performances of Curry and Thompson in game 7 of the finals I'd have to say no. The only guy on their team who stepped up his game under pressure was Green and all of his teammates played with that 'deer in the headlights' look.
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Actually, it doesn't weaken Golden State at all.
The team basically traded Harrison Barnes (who agreed to a $94 million contract) and Andrew Bogut to Dallas to make room for Kevin Durant. Notice, not to Oklahoma City where Durant played.
Moreover, the cap situation is allowing Golden State to sign free agents David West and Zaza Pachulia -- players who likely would have commanded bigger salaries and starting roles elsewhere -- to lesser contracts. The Warriors even reportedly are talking to Ray Allen about coming out of retirement and David Lee is talking about going back to the Warriors.
That's adding Durant, Pachulia and West (with Allen and Lee as possibilities) to a team that already has Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston and Marrese Speights -- a team that has won 140 out of 164 regular-season games the past two seasons. The team has gone beyond establishing a competitive balance to abusing the system by asking guys who could start elsewhere to sit on their bench. Adding Durant is not enough for the Warriors (a player the Warriors did not need); they now are being greedy.
The team basically traded Harrison Barnes (who agreed to a $94 million contract) and Andrew Bogut to Dallas to make room for Kevin Durant. Notice, not to Oklahoma City where Durant played.
Moreover, the cap situation is allowing Golden State to sign free agents David West and Zaza Pachulia -- players who likely would have commanded bigger salaries and starting roles elsewhere -- to lesser contracts. The Warriors even reportedly are talking to Ray Allen about coming out of retirement and David Lee is talking about going back to the Warriors.
That's adding Durant, Pachulia and West (with Allen and Lee as possibilities) to a team that already has Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston and Marrese Speights -- a team that has won 140 out of 164 regular-season games the past two seasons. The team has gone beyond establishing a competitive balance to abusing the system by asking guys who could start elsewhere to sit on their bench. Adding Durant is not enough for the Warriors (a player the Warriors did not need); they now are being greedy.
How is it abusing the system? The Warriors didn't do anything any other team wouldn't be doing if given the chance.
The truth is...KD coming to the Warriors is really happenstance. If Steph Curry doesn't have ankle issues he doesn't sign what turns out to be a team friendly contract that allows the cap space for this signing.
In addition, Is it also the Warriors fault for developing 3 young players into stars? They didn't buy any of them...they drafted them.
The truth is...KD coming to the Warriors is really happenstance. If Steph Curry doesn't have ankle issues he doesn't sign what turns out to be a team friendly contract that allows the cap space for this signing.
In addition, Is it also the Warriors fault for developing 3 young players into stars? They didn't buy any of them...they drafted them.
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The salary-cap increase $25 million in one year was so high that Kevin Durant actually will make more money playing for Golden State in 2016-17 ($27.15 million average per year) compared to his final year in Oklahoma City ($20.16 million). In typical free agency years under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a player like Durant would have to take a reduced paycheck to move to another team. Instead, the salary cap increase was so high that he got a 35 percent raise.
Golden State also played a bit of dirty pool by structuring Durant's contract to a two-year deal with an option the second year. Because Durant signed this kind of deal and combined with the salary cap jump, Oklahoma City does not receive compensation for losing Durant. In the typical free agency period under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team like Golden State would have to do a sign-and-trade for a player with a guaranteed contract and the other team would get compensation (draft pick, salary, possibly a player).
Golden State also played a bit of dirty pool by structuring Durant's contract to a two-year deal with an option the second year. Because Durant signed this kind of deal and combined with the salary cap jump, Oklahoma City does not receive compensation for losing Durant. In the typical free agency period under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team like Golden State would have to do a sign-and-trade for a player with a guaranteed contract and the other team would get compensation (draft pick, salary, possibly a player).
Durant proves nothing if he wins the championship. It's as if Bird joined the show time Lakers.
I will be rooting for anyone but the Warriors.
This never would have happened if the Warriors had not choked away the finals. Or, if the Thunder had not choked away the Western Conf. finals. Durant to the Warriors (even though I live here and I'm a Warriors fan) is like the Heimlich Maneuver.
I find it amusing that in a capitalist society, there's strong sentiment for sports to be run on socialist principles, i.e. parity for all teams, even distribution of top players across teams, giving weak teams first pick in the draft to "level" the playing field, hard salary caps, etc... An interesting contrast to "socialist" Europe where professional football leagues have mega teams (think Real madrid), no salary caps, no parity-oriented draft, punishment to losing teams (i.e., relegation to a lower league for bottom three teams at end of season, not first pick in the draft), and yet european soccer keeps getting more popular in the states. The story of Leicester City is that much more compelling in the cuthroat competitive landscape of european soccer leagues. I hope the Golden State Warriors continue the recent tradition of success for "super teams in the NBA" - LeBron did win two titles in Miami. I think in the spirit of capitalism and freedom, it's best to let market forces determine the fortunes of NBA teams, like all other business enterprises in the US.
More power to him, and other star players. Super teams are good for the NBA. Parity is boring. People love to root against powerful teams like the Yankees and Cowboys (back when they were good). Miami's super team only lasted 4 years, and only delivered 2 championships. They weren't unbeatable, and neither are the Warriors (who lucked into one title against injured opponents and choked away the next one). There's only one basketball to go around, and another scorer doesn't necessarily make them better. If I were Durant I would have gone to Boston -- great coach, great history, talented young roster and he could have been the star. Now he's just the bass player.
"They weren't unbeatable, and neither are the Warriors (who lucked into one title against injured opponents and choked away the next one)".
Looks like Cleveland lucked into a title.
Draymond Green suspended in Game 5.
Andrew Bogut injured in game 5 and out in games 6 & 7.
Curry playing with injured ankle, knee and elbow through out series.
Looks like Cleveland lucked into a title.
Draymond Green suspended in Game 5.
Andrew Bogut injured in game 5 and out in games 6 & 7.
Curry playing with injured ankle, knee and elbow through out series.
There are probably several reasons behind Durant's decision to switch teams, ranging from the personal interactions with Warriors' players, his agents (Jay Z's company), his family's preferences, to a phone call from Jerry West. Finally there is is own preference for a team with kindred spirits.
Mr. Araton has written a nice piece but it is lacking in relevant factual background material. For example, Durant and Green have had a budding friendship for over two years. Durant has in the past asked Green if he could fit into the Warriors locker room. The key players assured him of that. The Dubs players told Durant that they could probably win a couple of Championship without Durant and Durant could win a couple without the Warriors. But together, the could contend for several more. Marc Spears of ESPN reports that he was privy to a text message from Curry to Durant that Curry did not care who was the face of the Warriors franchise and that Curry would be in front row clapping if Durant won the MVP next seasons as a Warrior. This Fab Four could be a special group together.
Mr. Araton has written a nice piece but it is lacking in relevant factual background material. For example, Durant and Green have had a budding friendship for over two years. Durant has in the past asked Green if he could fit into the Warriors locker room. The key players assured him of that. The Dubs players told Durant that they could probably win a couple of Championship without Durant and Durant could win a couple without the Warriors. But together, the could contend for several more. Marc Spears of ESPN reports that he was privy to a text message from Curry to Durant that Curry did not care who was the face of the Warriors franchise and that Curry would be in front row clapping if Durant won the MVP next seasons as a Warrior. This Fab Four could be a special group together.
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Anyone that tried to win while playing with the selfish Westbrook would be driven from OKC screaming.
For decades, we've all heard, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." How is this any different?
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If you gave 100 people the opportunity to work in OKC or the Bay Area and money was not a factor??? 100 would choose to work and live in the Bay Area. I've been all over the world and this is as good as it gets for quality of life...1000 fold if money is not an issue.
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1. Don't think I've seen anyone question Durant's "right" to move - that is absolutely his prerogative contractually. The issue is his decision to leave an organization where he is a focal point. OKC has built a team around his skill set. Intentionally or not, KD is communicating to the world that the load is too great for him to bear, and that he chooses to be complementary rather than central.
2. High finals ratings notwithstanding, the argument that a handful of "super teams" and a group of second-tier organizations is good business makes no sense. Sure, lots of people watch when the top teams clash, but the NBA season is 82 games long, and requires compelling story lines beyond the travails of 3 or 4 teams. Ask the NFL, where virtually every regular season game is intrinsically interesting.
3. The flowering of the NBA as a global enterprise occurred against the backdrop of a league where star players were inextricably linked to their franchises: Bird, Magic, Jordan, etc. It would have been unthinkable for these players to join forces; the legendary individual performances would have been considerably diminished without great rivalries.
4. As an act of political protest, KD's defection is inspiring. Elite athletes have a good deal more power than they realize, and corporations, politicians, fans and fellow athletes should take note.
2. High finals ratings notwithstanding, the argument that a handful of "super teams" and a group of second-tier organizations is good business makes no sense. Sure, lots of people watch when the top teams clash, but the NBA season is 82 games long, and requires compelling story lines beyond the travails of 3 or 4 teams. Ask the NFL, where virtually every regular season game is intrinsically interesting.
3. The flowering of the NBA as a global enterprise occurred against the backdrop of a league where star players were inextricably linked to their franchises: Bird, Magic, Jordan, etc. It would have been unthinkable for these players to join forces; the legendary individual performances would have been considerably diminished without great rivalries.
4. As an act of political protest, KD's defection is inspiring. Elite athletes have a good deal more power than they realize, and corporations, politicians, fans and fellow athletes should take note.
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2) NBA games in general are interesting in that so many make the playoffs brining interest to locals all the way to the end of the season as that last two weeks there are always teams battling for playoff spots. MLB with such a small percentage of teams making the playoffs many teams are out of it by all star break, yet fans still go to the ball parks and turn on the TV. I watch the Knicks almost every game and they aren't even close to any elite top NBA teams and their seats are full with the high prices. perhaps I like punishment?
3) players moving makes for different rivalries. Think that OK City-Warriors rivalry will lessen with KD moving? I bet it will increase from the OK City side. Lebron going to Miami made the Heat-Cavs rivalry bigger. The players YOU mentioned couldn't move that easily to one other because teams didn't have the cash generally for two. Now the teams are rolling in cash. Jordan did go to Washington, Pierce moved on, a super star in Boston, Shaq a few times and even Frazier, an icon in NYC, was traded.
4) the NBA and all teams are way bigger than any one player or group of players. The NBA survived all previous super stars leaving. And the Celtics survived so many leaving as has Chicago with Jordan going to Washington and finally leaving playing. Jack won't go to Laker games with Kobe gone and kids won't wear Laker stuff? Russell, Magic, & Jordan were all replaced in their cities. World lived.
3) players moving makes for different rivalries. Think that OK City-Warriors rivalry will lessen with KD moving? I bet it will increase from the OK City side. Lebron going to Miami made the Heat-Cavs rivalry bigger. The players YOU mentioned couldn't move that easily to one other because teams didn't have the cash generally for two. Now the teams are rolling in cash. Jordan did go to Washington, Pierce moved on, a super star in Boston, Shaq a few times and even Frazier, an icon in NYC, was traded.
4) the NBA and all teams are way bigger than any one player or group of players. The NBA survived all previous super stars leaving. And the Celtics survived so many leaving as has Chicago with Jordan going to Washington and finally leaving playing. Jack won't go to Laker games with Kobe gone and kids won't wear Laker stuff? Russell, Magic, & Jordan were all replaced in their cities. World lived.
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1. If you think KD will be "just a complimentary player" you're mistaken...he clearly is one of the top 3 players in the game.
2. Super teams are always good the league...it draws people that wouldn't pay attention otherwise during a much too long regular season. The Warriors did that for the league over the entire 82 games last season. This season will be off the charts...must watch tv and guaranteed national coverage on a nightly basis. It won't be good for OKC but it will be good for the NBA bottom line.
3.The Golden State Warriors will draw even more world wide attention to the NBA...it's a win for the league...PERIOD.
4. This is really not going to happen very often...If Steph Curry doesn't have his ankle issues the Warriors never have enough cap space to make this move. It was happenstance more than design or desire.
2. Super teams are always good the league...it draws people that wouldn't pay attention otherwise during a much too long regular season. The Warriors did that for the league over the entire 82 games last season. This season will be off the charts...must watch tv and guaranteed national coverage on a nightly basis. It won't be good for OKC but it will be good for the NBA bottom line.
3.The Golden State Warriors will draw even more world wide attention to the NBA...it's a win for the league...PERIOD.
4. This is really not going to happen very often...If Steph Curry doesn't have his ankle issues the Warriors never have enough cap space to make this move. It was happenstance more than design or desire.
I have no idea how you figure Cleveland and Miami had a rivalry when LeBron James took his talents to South Beach. The Cavaliers were a perennial lottery team during his four-year absence.
Why not join a dynasty-in-the-making and play with two of the top five players in the league? Mr. Durrant has his own career to manage. It appears he is maximizing his opportunity to win a championship. Who could reasonably object?
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He also has is own life to manage, he chose San Fran over OKC, how can anyone blame him?
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How I yearn for the days of Wilt, Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Walt Frazier, and Willis Reed!
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When Curry is wheeling & dealing; Thompson & Curry, driving & shooting 3's; Green doing everything; and the rest of the team being unreasonably dependable, it's NEVER been done better.
Are they human & overreach? Yes! Do they have off nights? Yes.
There is a challenge: Melding them into a team with a weaker bench - but West might even fix that.
Are they human & overreach? Yes! Do they have off nights? Yes.
There is a challenge: Melding them into a team with a weaker bench - but West might even fix that.
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in other words, "kids these days."
I will be rooting for the team that goes up against the Warriors in the finals next season like I rooted for the Mavericks in 2011 who faced the Heat with the newly crowned savior Lebron James.
Nothing like watching an underdog team beat a heralded bunch of supposedly unbeatable superstars...
Nothing like watching an underdog team beat a heralded bunch of supposedly unbeatable superstars...
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John E., assuming that the Warriors do make the Finals next year, their likeliest opponent (by far) would be the defending champion Cavaliers - who, of course, have LeBron James back. And yes, in that case, the Cavaliers would almost certainly be the underdogs. What a "full circle" scenario that would be for LeBron - esp. if the Cavaliers wind up winning the title again.
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And the Cavs and Coach Lue deserve all the kudos for making it happen.
The amazing irony in all of this is that the NBA ultimately got what it didn't want. If the NBA had not made it so obvious that they wanted a game 7 in the Warriors-Cavaliers by deciding to suspend Draymond Green (after LeBron James flung him to the court) after thinking about it for 2 days, which opened the door for the Cavaliers to win the series (what the NBA had hoped for), and the Warriors had won, it is very likely Kevin Durant would not have decided to leave Oklahoma, something the NBA assuredly did not wish to have happen. It is roundly agreed that the phone call from Warrior executive Jerry West (the man on the NBA logo) to Kevin Durant was instrumental in the Oklahoma star's decision. It is quite apparent now that the NBA has been out dribbled and dunked on in the end. What a tangled web (net) the NBA has woven for itself.
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All of that is part of the story. But don't overlook the fact that OKC should have beaten Golden State. When that did not happen, largely because Durant and Westbrook could get the rest of their team to stay fully involved, a break-up was likely. One also suspects that Durant had had enough of Westbrook's handling of the basketball, which was way too much.
Finally, Durant will get better compensation, will not have to work as hard for Golden State as he did for OKC, and will see more success.
Finally, Durant will get better compensation, will not have to work as hard for Golden State as he did for OKC, and will see more success.
A non-basket ball reason is valid: Being rich and talented but spending most of your season living in Oklahoma City...
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"Durant has become LeBron James after his 2010 decision to leave Cleveland, ...the Warriors have become the Miami Heat,...
...By the turn of the century, no two...stars could coexist in one city. The best players deigned to have their own teams and could be happy only as the Jordans of their fiefs."
Before we go embracing the facile super-team narrative, it'd be good to recall that only two seasons ago, the Warriors shocked everyone by winning the championship as a *team* against Lebron and his non-Kyrie supporting cast. It's a bit of a disservice to the exceptional development the Warriors underwent together, beginning with Curry and his balky ankles, through Draymond becoming something no one in NBA executive circles could have expected, and including Myers's & Lacob's canny signing of Iguodala and Steve Kerr.
Fans and pundits ares decrying the Warriors as a nasty juggernaut, but this is no Pat Riley feeding on DWade's competitive urge, Bosh's insecurities and Lebron's over-large ego to induce them all into a Mephistophelian deal to forgo riches in order to get another trophy. Part of the reason this could work far better than many of the aforementioned examples is Durant has made an eyes-wide-open, conscious decision to demote himself from primary scoring threat to one within an actual team, a team that most basketball players would *want* to be a part of - one that distributes the ball, plays hard, equitable defense and relies on trust as its most important weapon.
...By the turn of the century, no two...stars could coexist in one city. The best players deigned to have their own teams and could be happy only as the Jordans of their fiefs."
Before we go embracing the facile super-team narrative, it'd be good to recall that only two seasons ago, the Warriors shocked everyone by winning the championship as a *team* against Lebron and his non-Kyrie supporting cast. It's a bit of a disservice to the exceptional development the Warriors underwent together, beginning with Curry and his balky ankles, through Draymond becoming something no one in NBA executive circles could have expected, and including Myers's & Lacob's canny signing of Iguodala and Steve Kerr.
Fans and pundits ares decrying the Warriors as a nasty juggernaut, but this is no Pat Riley feeding on DWade's competitive urge, Bosh's insecurities and Lebron's over-large ego to induce them all into a Mephistophelian deal to forgo riches in order to get another trophy. Part of the reason this could work far better than many of the aforementioned examples is Durant has made an eyes-wide-open, conscious decision to demote himself from primary scoring threat to one within an actual team, a team that most basketball players would *want* to be a part of - one that distributes the ball, plays hard, equitable defense and relies on trust as its most important weapon.
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"...By the turn of the century, no two...stars could coexist in one city. The best players deigned to have their own teams and could be happy only as the Jordans of their fiefs."
False false false false false. This quote ignores the team that won more titles than any other during the era (five); the one that had stars and role players and was perhaps the most cohesive than any other unit since the Bulls or Showtime or Bird-McHale-Parrish:
The San Antonio Spurs.
Tim Duncan and David Robinson were pretty big stars.
And once Robinson left, Parker was drafted and became the other star, plus role players Ginoboli and Bowen.
But the author purposely ignored the team that defined the era because it didn't fit into his false premise of not having 2 stars on one team that blended successfully.
Parker and Duncan blended perfectly, and the result was more titles than any other team of their time.
False false false false false. This quote ignores the team that won more titles than any other during the era (five); the one that had stars and role players and was perhaps the most cohesive than any other unit since the Bulls or Showtime or Bird-McHale-Parrish:
The San Antonio Spurs.
Tim Duncan and David Robinson were pretty big stars.
And once Robinson left, Parker was drafted and became the other star, plus role players Ginoboli and Bowen.
But the author purposely ignored the team that defined the era because it didn't fit into his false premise of not having 2 stars on one team that blended successfully.
Parker and Duncan blended perfectly, and the result was more titles than any other team of their time.
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I get KD wanting a championship and leaving OKC- it is business and for a player time is of the essence, but the Warriors? I am thinking it takes more to win a championship than a collection of stars. Remember when the Lakers aquired Malone and Peyton- in addition to their already loaded roster? Sure they were past their prime, but it is in the end all about chemistry
Not the last time I looked, previous to that, maybe 4 or 5 games previous, the Warriors had the chemistry.
The Cav's "aggressive perimeter defense" in the Finals was really just a lot of grabbing, holding, and occasional bear-hugging of the Warriors star players. At the very least, adding Durant would make it hard for that type of strategy to work again for Cleveland or any other team, which is probably a plus for basketball fans who are interested in watching some basketball actually be played in the Finals.
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You should have seen real defense, like they played in the 1990s.
Agree. It was shameful how the refs allowed Curry to be mugged and thugged in the Finals. The NBA must fix this. That's not basketball-- and not what fans pay to see.
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It's been unwatchable for some time now. Rugby with a basketball. Perhaps that is why ratings are so low.
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The ratings actually were quite good for the recent Finals.
In fact, basketball ratings have been better than even MLB's World Series the last few seasons. it doesn't matter whether a New York or L.A. team is in either the World Series, or the NBA Finals, it goes down to the appealing personalities.
In fact, basketball ratings have been better than even MLB's World Series the last few seasons. it doesn't matter whether a New York or L.A. team is in either the World Series, or the NBA Finals, it goes down to the appealing personalities.
Great article:
Who is the best player on the Warriors now? 2014 MVP Durant? Or 2015 & '16 MVP Curry (Durant was injured and de facto ineligible to repeat as MVP in 2015)?
Who defers? We saw Wade & LeBron have to deal with that during the 2011 Finals when they alternated taking over down the stretch. Many asked why LeBron was standing around off the ball waiting when he was a playmaker. To his credit (and humility) Wade realized he had to defer the next year and they won. He only took over when needed (game 4 vs SA in 2013; they would likely have lost in 5 in the 2-3-2 format without that stellar game by Wade).
Will Durant -- in his prime, a 4 time scoring champ, MVP, guy who was defended in a box in 1 when playing in the Olympics(!) -- defer to a guy who's potential was maximized by Kerr using most of D'Antoni's system via Alvin Gentry (who saluted after the 2015 Finals "tell D'Antoni he's vindicated!")
In the summer of 2014 there was talk that reigning MVP Durant was as good as LeBron. Now he's a #2? Will he be okay with that?
Is Curry okay being the #2?
Who takes over down the stretch/takes the last shot? Durant may find out Curry is Westbrook by another name -- a shoot first point guard (really a short two guard forced to play PG because of his height; if Curry was 6'6" it would be obvious he's a 2 who developed awesome handle to play PG).
If the Warriors don't win Durant can leave. If he left OKC he can leave GS.
Of course, it can work out.
Win or risk losing KD
Who is the best player on the Warriors now? 2014 MVP Durant? Or 2015 & '16 MVP Curry (Durant was injured and de facto ineligible to repeat as MVP in 2015)?
Who defers? We saw Wade & LeBron have to deal with that during the 2011 Finals when they alternated taking over down the stretch. Many asked why LeBron was standing around off the ball waiting when he was a playmaker. To his credit (and humility) Wade realized he had to defer the next year and they won. He only took over when needed (game 4 vs SA in 2013; they would likely have lost in 5 in the 2-3-2 format without that stellar game by Wade).
Will Durant -- in his prime, a 4 time scoring champ, MVP, guy who was defended in a box in 1 when playing in the Olympics(!) -- defer to a guy who's potential was maximized by Kerr using most of D'Antoni's system via Alvin Gentry (who saluted after the 2015 Finals "tell D'Antoni he's vindicated!")
In the summer of 2014 there was talk that reigning MVP Durant was as good as LeBron. Now he's a #2? Will he be okay with that?
Is Curry okay being the #2?
Who takes over down the stretch/takes the last shot? Durant may find out Curry is Westbrook by another name -- a shoot first point guard (really a short two guard forced to play PG because of his height; if Curry was 6'6" it would be obvious he's a 2 who developed awesome handle to play PG).
If the Warriors don't win Durant can leave. If he left OKC he can leave GS.
Of course, it can work out.
Win or risk losing KD
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"If the Warriors don't win Durant can leave. If he left OKC he can leave GS. ... Win or risk losing KD"
Good point Marcus. Those who are supposedly "in the know" on this are saying that Durant's deal will be for 2 seasons with a player option for the second year, meaning that he can become a free agent again next summer, at which point it is assumed that he will sign a long-term extension. But that's not for certain. Also, next summer, not only would Durant become a free agent, but so would Curry himself (due the mother of all raises as he is currently making only $11-12 million per year) and so would Westbrook. Durant could in effect wind up having to make a choice on whether to reunite with Westbrook (not necessarily in OKC) or to team up with Curry long-term. Next summer will be very interesting.
Good point Marcus. Those who are supposedly "in the know" on this are saying that Durant's deal will be for 2 seasons with a player option for the second year, meaning that he can become a free agent again next summer, at which point it is assumed that he will sign a long-term extension. But that's not for certain. Also, next summer, not only would Durant become a free agent, but so would Curry himself (due the mother of all raises as he is currently making only $11-12 million per year) and so would Westbrook. Durant could in effect wind up having to make a choice on whether to reunite with Westbrook (not necessarily in OKC) or to team up with Curry long-term. Next summer will be very interesting.
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While I fully understand Durant's desire for a ring, if he wins one or two with the Warriors, will he have really earned it? Many will say he joined a championship team and didn't pay his dues. I think this is a terrible direction the NBA is headed. There is no parity in the league. Larry and Michael are shaking their heads.
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There's never been parity in the NBA. Four or five teams at best every season have a chance to win and that's as true now as it was in the 80's.
Eastern fans are just upset because there are no good teams in cities where for years there were. NY, Philly, Chicago and Detroit are all terrible and have been for years with no real end in sight. We'll see about Boston but they are at least on their way up with a terrific coach.
Not the league or the western conference's fault, it's their organizations and owners. To see good NBA games, you have to stay up late to watch the western conference. Sorry about that.
Eastern fans are just upset because there are no good teams in cities where for years there were. NY, Philly, Chicago and Detroit are all terrible and have been for years with no real end in sight. We'll see about Boston but they are at least on their way up with a terrific coach.
Not the league or the western conference's fault, it's their organizations and owners. To see good NBA games, you have to stay up late to watch the western conference. Sorry about that.
Larry and Michael? Parity? Odd example, given that between them their teams won 9 nba championships (in 18 years), and that the ONLY other teams to win in the span were the Lakers (4), Pistons (2), Rockets (2) and Sixers. By contrast, 7 different teams have won the last 9 finals.
Durant going to the Warriors reminds me of Steinbrenner's Yankees in the 1980s and 90s. He brought Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, Goose Gossage, Wade Boggs etc. A Super Team
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And the New York Yankees did not win a World Series from 1979 to 1995, or even get to the World Series from 1982 to 1995, finally winning a World Series in 1996. MLB forcing Steinbrenner out of running the day to day operations of the Yankees in the early 1990s forced the Yankees to develop their talent, which allowed them to bring up Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.
Any kid on a playground knows that teams are chosen, "I pick. You pick." Of course Durant has the right to go to any team and the Bay Area is great but who cares if he wins a championship when the teams are chosen, "I pick. I pick. I pick. I pick." Those are the rules used by the Harlem Globetrotters.
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This is unfortunately one of the most confusingly written articles I've ever seen in the Times. The Jerry West reference made no sense (how is it related to Shaq) and it went downhill from there. Get a new sports writer.
Regardless...
This story is incredibly important for the nba. It could potentially mark a new era in the league... A dynasty. Or durant could ruin the team's chemistry and lead the team to self destruct. It's championship or bust at this point. The real question is: can Durant, Steph and Draymond share the spotlight (obviously Klay Thompson - the best pure shooter - will go along). If they win every game, all the wrinkles will disappear. If they falter in tight games - as Durant is wont to do - they could crumble.
Durant could have made max money anywhere. He wanted championships. Let's see if his wish comes true.
Regardless...
This story is incredibly important for the nba. It could potentially mark a new era in the league... A dynasty. Or durant could ruin the team's chemistry and lead the team to self destruct. It's championship or bust at this point. The real question is: can Durant, Steph and Draymond share the spotlight (obviously Klay Thompson - the best pure shooter - will go along). If they win every game, all the wrinkles will disappear. If they falter in tight games - as Durant is wont to do - they could crumble.
Durant could have made max money anywhere. He wanted championships. Let's see if his wish comes true.
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Jerry West helped convince both KD and Shaq to join GS and Lakers. He's helped attract 2 of the 3 biggest free agents in the past 20 years (with LBJ signing with Miami as the one he wasn't involved in).
"despite the cogent argument that the formation of so-called super teams at the expense of diligently constructed outfits like the Thunder is damaging to the league’s competitive balance"- How are the Warriors not a diligently constructed outfit? Who saw the potential of Curry, Thompson, Green, and constructed a system that allowed so many others to contribute? The question is, will KD complement or harm such a diligently constructed team? If it works, Steve Kerr should be next years MVP.
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On the surface it’s a great pick-up for the Warriors and I truly hope it works out. At the same time I wonder what effect pursuing and snagging Kevin Durant will have on team chemistry next year. There really was a touch of magic in winning 73 regular season games with the contribution of the entire roster. Everyone felt appreciated and important and stayed ready to play. The depth also contributed to many of the wins by allowing regular rest for key players and plenty of recovery time for the injured. That shouldn’t be underestimated. Unfortunately the back end of the roster will probably be gutted to afford KD.
And for next season, nothing is promised but expectations will be sky high. If they lose at the end, it will be even more disappointing than losing the championship this year - and that was very, very painful. With that much talent there’s no way we can honestly blame a poor showing next year on things like poor officiating, cold shooting, or even a LeBron giant step-over.
And for next season, nothing is promised but expectations will be sky high. If they lose at the end, it will be even more disappointing than losing the championship this year - and that was very, very painful. With that much talent there’s no way we can honestly blame a poor showing next year on things like poor officiating, cold shooting, or even a LeBron giant step-over.
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I think he will do the same thing Lebron did! After he wins a couple of titles he will go back to Oklahoma and try to win one for them.
Le Bron is from Cleveland, why on earth would KD go back to OKC?
He is not from there so why on earth would he return to a place that is not his home town? And it is Oklahoma.
So glad Durant decided to leave OKC. They didn't deserve him, especially after they booed him during the 2014 season. I recall Durant saying that the boos weren't inappropriate, and motivated him to do better. Subtext, perhaps: until he would have a chance to leave, that is.
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I get it, except for the two year deal.
Another salary cap increase is coming soon.
Give the guy a break. He donated a million of his own money to a twin outside of OKC when it was completely leveled by a tornado. I wanted him to land in SA, but so be it. KD is a class act and who among us hasn't switched jobs for better working conditions or more money?
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Ive seen this before. Great player leaves good team to join an already star-studded one to win a championship. Unless the NBA changes the rules and allows GS to play with more than 1 ball this has all the potential of conflicts over which star gets to shoot the most.
Cavaliers in 7
Cavaliers in 7
OKC ownership never gave Sam Presti the budget to go get the third player who could and would create and make his own shot late in games to finish them. Second, would you rather live in San Francisco or OKC? SF and Northern CA are a BEAUTIFUL PLACE, especially if you have the money to burn. Third, more mute in this case and likely not an issue for Durant, yes, local politics in OKC and a few other places (see Dallas) around the league don't help the NBA recruitment meter. And the game has changed as a sport. I remember growing up in North Central Texas and rooting for Jerry West, a country kid from the hills back East playing way out in LA. Jerry almost always lost in the Finals, and he was a GREAT player. Jerry didn't win enough titles to be up there in discussion with Jordan, Russell, Duncan as the greatest- and Tim may be the best of them all. But WHO is on the game ball? JERRY WEST. Respect! Hard to envision Bird going to LA, or Magic going to Boston. But players today make enormous money and want the best possible odds to win titles to write their legacy and prolong their financial future. It's understandable, but a cultural disease. OKC will be fine, if the franchise needs a new ambassador they can go after the man in Yukon-OK, Garth Brooks, for an ownership position. Garth always wins, and they'll win wearing cowboys hats on the road!
This year's NBA finals show it all means nothing. While game 7 was a good battle, the final series was gamed, with fingers being put on the scale throughout. Sure it is great spectacle, but it shows the NBA is merely entertainment and not sport.
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Salty Californian.
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Reffing. 3 officials are NOT able to keep up with 10 of the best athletes on the planet. Repeatedly, an official on the far side of the court would call (guess?) a foul on a defensive player for reaching in. Replays show the call was at least questionable. At the same time, grabbing, shoving, and manhandling was occurring routinely.
NBA needs to fix this.
NBA needs to fix this.
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As a Golden State fan, I can't help wondering whether losing the title this year helped the team secure Durant. If the Warriors had won for the second year in a row in 2016, he might well have decided that he'd get no credit for a three-peat come 2017 and only blame if they fell short. Their losing to the Cavs might have changed that dynamic.
Now, as for the bigger question of whether it's right and fair that Durant made the move, I can't help thinking that Durant got some inkling from media-conscious teammate Russell Westbrook that Westbrook was not necessarily going to stick around OKC past next year. That could have shaped Durant's decision. Regardless, just as the Thunder's ownership made a business decision to move to OKC at the start of Durant's career, there's nothing wrong with Durant making a business decision to make a move of his own.
Now, as for the bigger question of whether it's right and fair that Durant made the move, I can't help thinking that Durant got some inkling from media-conscious teammate Russell Westbrook that Westbrook was not necessarily going to stick around OKC past next year. That could have shaped Durant's decision. Regardless, just as the Thunder's ownership made a business decision to move to OKC at the start of Durant's career, there's nothing wrong with Durant making a business decision to make a move of his own.
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Meh - I lost interest in the NBA when Lebron took his talent to Miami. There's no other sport where superstar players can virtually guarantee a title, by signing with a certain team. The games may not be fixed, but the league cares nothing about parity.
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Pardon me if the plaintive bleating of the OKC fans fails to stir any pity on my part. The Sonics were handed to Clay Bennett on a platter; a con man who found an easy mark in Howard Shultz. Now that Durant is gone, with Westbrook soon to follow him, I wish the good people of OKC luck in supporting a sub-500 team for many years to come.
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I lost all respect for the NBA, again, with the charade of this years finals that put the Cavs on the pedestal as champions. Reminds me of when Viola Davis should have won the Oscar, but they gave it to Meryl, again.
The NBA is nothing more than Roller Derby Roundball.
The NBA is nothing more than Roller Derby Roundball.
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reportedly, it was a call from Jerry West that sealed the deal... I wasn't listening in (!) but imagine he said something like "Kevin, when you're my age and you look back on your career, you won't remember a single dollar you were paid - but you will remember those special moments when you won a championship and shared those feelings with a bunch of guys with whom you felt a kinship"... at least that's what I hope he said (although the grammatically-correct "with whom" may not have been used)
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If they lose any games next year their season will be a flop.
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Sports. You talk about sports as if it is not something a grown man should be ashamed of. We will never have peace if we can't overcome such a tiny-minded thing as competition between cities. Did Jesus play sports? Buddha, Gandhi or MLK? Shame on grown men involved in childish games.
Online comments about sports. You post comments online about sports as if it is not something a grown man should be ashamed of. Did Jesus post online comments about sports? Buddha, Gandhi or MLK? Shame on grown men involved in posting childish online comments about sports.
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The egotism of the stars has become more enlightened. They are now willing to gather under one salary cap. It doesn't even have to mean sacrificing money for a better chance at "the ring". Because increased income from marketing deals is almost certain.
Sad for the fans of professional basketball in OKC. Sad for small market basketball. I lost Shaquille and Dwight and the sense of excitement in Orlando. Don't know if I can enjoy the game as much anymore. Where is the sense of joy for "your" team and "your" city? Makes me appreciate the recent feat of Lebron even more. Congratulations to that young man for putting his own career in the perspective of life.
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People keep reading all this stuff into this decision ... it's about going to the best place for him to win a championship. That's it. The only other place was Cleveland. Durant could have stayed put and made more money. But Oklahoma didn't win when they had Harden ( that's 3 all stars ) and a better supporting cast. And he didn't see them winning it all in the near future. The Thunder needed more and they weren't getting it. I didn't think he would go to Golden State. But with the fire power on the Warriors now, they are going to be very tough to beat. He gives them a couple years and sees how it goes. Players at this level end up caring about one thing, after the money, the scoring titles and all the accolades, they want to win championships. That is why LeBron left for Miami, he esp. didn't want to go, the homebody that he and his family are. But he knew that was the best place to do it, and he was right. That is why Garnett went to Boston. And that is why Kevin Durant is going to Oakland.
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Wow is all I can say. He wants to win a championship, so he goes to the team with the best chance. I guess he didn't want to upstage LeBron, so he goes to the next best team.
Durant is not the problem, free agency is. It will destroy sports. Yes, the owners make buckets of money so why shouldn't the players?
Makes sense, except it creates a feeding frenzy where the strong get stronger and the weaker sink.
Also it's not always about big market vs little market, as you see no one rushing to join the Knicks, not with the dysfunctional bozo running the show.
What's interesting is how football has managed to avoid this and have parity, despite having free agency. Is it the revenue sharing?
Durant's a good guy, and he gave OKC 9 good years, put them on the map and could've gone to the championship series this year if his team had not choked.
Well why bother playing a regular season, lets just start with the playoffs. We all know who will be in the finals, at least in the west. Good luck Cavs next year. You get GSW again.
Durant is not the problem, free agency is. It will destroy sports. Yes, the owners make buckets of money so why shouldn't the players?
Makes sense, except it creates a feeding frenzy where the strong get stronger and the weaker sink.
Also it's not always about big market vs little market, as you see no one rushing to join the Knicks, not with the dysfunctional bozo running the show.
What's interesting is how football has managed to avoid this and have parity, despite having free agency. Is it the revenue sharing?
Durant's a good guy, and he gave OKC 9 good years, put them on the map and could've gone to the championship series this year if his team had not choked.
Well why bother playing a regular season, lets just start with the playoffs. We all know who will be in the finals, at least in the west. Good luck Cavs next year. You get GSW again.
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No one knows who will win the West. The Spurs are still loaded and the Clippers are legit. The East has always provided the surer path to the Finals (just ask LeBron).
Durant has been championship material from the beginning. He spent nine years in OKC anchoring the team. Can you really blame him for not spending the rest of his career there and not pursuing the dream that every professional basketball player has?
As far as the money people bring up that is obviously not the point. He would have gotten the same from any of the other teams wanting to sign him.
People don't always keep the same job their whole careers.
As far as the money people bring up that is obviously not the point. He would have gotten the same from any of the other teams wanting to sign him.
People don't always keep the same job their whole careers.
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Mr. Araton's most cogent point is that OKC fans, having benefited from the the franchise owners breaking their promise to keep the team in Seattle--and thus forcing Durant to relocate, have no cause for criticizing Durant for choosing to relocate.
Durant has chosen to accept a lesser role in hopes of winning his first NBA title--I hope his wish comes true.
Durant has chosen to accept a lesser role in hopes of winning his first NBA title--I hope his wish comes true.
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Well it maybe 2016 is the last time Cleveland wins anything for another 30 + years!
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At the end of the day, professional sports teams are businesses.
If you had a job making $500,000 and another company offered you $3,000,000 for doing the same job, what would you do?
Tell them do because your first loyalty is to your current employer since they were the first business to give you a job?
Of course not. Most people would do the same thing that Durant did if given the chance.
At the end of the day, there are new fans.
If you had a job making $500,000 and another company offered you $3,000,000 for doing the same job, what would you do?
Tell them do because your first loyalty is to your current employer since they were the first business to give you a job?
Of course not. Most people would do the same thing that Durant did if given the chance.
At the end of the day, there are new fans.
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It wasn't about the money. OKC as well as a number of other teams would have paid him the same amount if not more.
Do people realize KD actually would have stood to make more money on a max contract from OKC? In fact, the CB and NBA free agent rules are set up to incentivize players like KD to remain with their "home" teams.
Durant already has a contract with Nike that pays him close to $250 million. This move in fact was *not* about maximizing his free agent dollars (this year).
Durant already has a contract with Nike that pays him close to $250 million. This move in fact was *not* about maximizing his free agent dollars (this year).
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Sorry, specious reasoning on your part.
All the points you make have to do with an upgrade in terms of money, he business aspect of it all.
Maybe you were unaware that he could have received just as much money from other teams, and as the article already mentioned, he's already made as much money as he probably knows what to do with.
All the points you make have to do with an upgrade in terms of money, he business aspect of it all.
Maybe you were unaware that he could have received just as much money from other teams, and as the article already mentioned, he's already made as much money as he probably knows what to do with.
Of course, Durant was drafted by the Super Sonics. Seattle got hurt a lot more than OKC because they lost the whole team, including Durant.
Here's wishing KD good luck out in Oakland!
Here's wishing KD good luck out in Oakland!
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Is Thunder ownership at all tied up in Aubrey McLendon's estate or are they otherwise stable?
Read all about it in the NY Times. Nobody else cares.
This doesn't make the NBA a better league. When only a handful of teams have a realistic chance of winning the title, it's hard to get excited about Durant joining an overloaded team. Right now the league is too superstar-driven and dependent on contractual contortions.
Stop favoring stars when calling fouls. Force teams to play most if not all their players every game. Institute a hard salary cap. These moves might not help the NBA achieve parity, but they'd be a start.
Stop favoring stars when calling fouls. Force teams to play most if not all their players every game. Institute a hard salary cap. These moves might not help the NBA achieve parity, but they'd be a start.
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The complaints you mention date back to the 80s and the David Stern era. If anything, the league has placed more of an emphasis in later years of reducing too much reliance on individual stars with the reintroduction of zone defenses, enforcing fouls on hand checks, and generally reducing the ability of the largest guy on the court to dominate play for 48 minutes. I, for one, am very happy we've moved beyond the Charles Barkley/Karl Malone/David Robinson era of isolation-dominant, low-pass sets and 4 guys standing around watching one guy on the court.
Unlike in the 90s now, while stars certainly make a team *good,* there's far more emphasis on bench depth, substitution patterns and outstanding performance of role players. If the league today were the same as it was during the Jordan era, you'd have teams like Carmelo's Knicks perennially into the playoffs.
Unlike in the 90s now, while stars certainly make a team *good,* there's far more emphasis on bench depth, substitution patterns and outstanding performance of role players. If the league today were the same as it was during the Jordan era, you'd have teams like Carmelo's Knicks perennially into the playoffs.
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In which era was there more than a handful of teams that had a realistic chance of winning? At least since the days for Larry Bird and Magic there have never been more than a few teams that could win in any given season.
I wonder if Oklahoma politics played into his thinking at all.
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It was the Minneapolis Lakers, NOT Minnesota Lakers. And they won plenty of titles before West was drafted -- many more than West won as a player in L.A. as a matter of fact.
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Good for Durant. Bad for basketball. The Warriors are now the Harlem Globetrotters, and every other NBA team is the Washington Generals. Yawn.
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I'm thinking the Curry may be a bit upset. Not that I think he cares THAT much about the spotlight. But the Warriors don't NEED Durant. The Heat needed James and Bosh, The Celtics needed KG and Allen. But the Warriors don't need another all-star. It's like giving a pistol to a martial arts master. If you did that, the martial arts master might say, "you don't think I have enough skill to win without this?"
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Golden State needs a shooter who can score when it really matters. Curry has proven in two consecutive finals that he is not that player.
The Warriors and KD aren't an NBA finals slam dunk, maybe a contested layup.
We're all clear on the point that sports is just entertainment and the players are just contract workers looking for the best deal, right?
It's silly to say that Durant should stay in Oklahoma City when the only reason the Thunder exist is because the Super Sonics folded their tent and moved to OKC.
Get your money, honey! And if you can grab a brass ring or two, more power to you.
It's silly to say that Durant should stay in Oklahoma City when the only reason the Thunder exist is because the Super Sonics folded their tent and moved to OKC.
Get your money, honey! And if you can grab a brass ring or two, more power to you.
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Durant has always been a stand up young man. I don't quarrel with your point that it wasn't about money, but rather a better chance to win a championship.
The real reason, however, is this: where would you rather live, San Francisco or Oklahoma City? Then, of course, there are the politics in OKC. Not exactly congruent with an intelligent young NBA superstar.
The real reason, however, is this: where would you rather live, San Francisco or Oklahoma City? Then, of course, there are the politics in OKC. Not exactly congruent with an intelligent young NBA superstar.
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[[Mike Roddy
Durant has always been a stand up young man.]]
So, what? Who cares? Plenty of nice guys have never won a title and plenty of jerks are in the various halls of fame. Get your money. (And wear a condom so you don't have to give most of it away.)
Durant has always been a stand up young man.]]
So, what? Who cares? Plenty of nice guys have never won a title and plenty of jerks are in the various halls of fame. Get your money. (And wear a condom so you don't have to give most of it away.)
How, pray tell, do you know the "real reason?" Are you part of KD's team?
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Cold days in summer. People stressed over cost of living. Road rage on the Bay Bridge. How many east coast people - including techies - happily return home after a few years in SanFran?
Will KD be happy not being the leader of the team? Can he co-exist with someone like Draymond Green? Will he be happy sharing the ball, taking less shots, scoring less PPG? Can he weave himself into the fabric of Warriors team?
I hope KD has asked these questions to himself before he made this move.
I hope KD has asked these questions to himself before he made this move.
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I highly doubt KD did *not* consider your list of questions; along with many others.
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The best NBA team beats the best Dream Team every time. So let's see how Curry and Co deal with fewer touches. Cavs in 6.
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Only if the refs are directed by Silver to call no-touch fouls on Curry, again.
Or a flagrant on Draymond for a jiu jitsu take-down by LeBrawl.
The Warriors are the class of the NBA. Great kids playing good clean hard T-E-A-M basketball.
Or a flagrant on Draymond for a jiu jitsu take-down by LeBrawl.
The Warriors are the class of the NBA. Great kids playing good clean hard T-E-A-M basketball.
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One player does not an NBA team make.
Cavs take game 3 at home... Warriors in 5.
Cavs take game 3 at home... Warriors in 5.
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Thats hat they said in 2010...then Miami won 2 titles.
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Yet another reason for this lifelong sports fan to not care about the NBA. And to appreciate NHL hockey and its players even more.
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Who cares about hockey? Even soccer has bigger ratings!
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A well-written story.
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The curse of Puget Sound strikes again.
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Those of us in Seattle can only look on with more than a tinge of bitterness and irony at the OKC "fans" burning their Durant jerseys today. Both Durant and Westbrook were originally Sonics from the team which Clay Bennett heisted from us.
OKC, you have no idea what real disappointment is.
OKC, you have no idea what real disappointment is.
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A player of incredible talent, joins a team already possessing a wealth of talented exciting players? Why is this news or remarkable? Dog Bites Man.
Smart people congregate at Yale and Princeton yet UNC thrives too. Talent attracts talent which is reality. OKC will live on, as will San Antonio.
It's about competent management. Ask the Cubs. Ask the current Lakers.
Smart people congregate at Yale and Princeton yet UNC thrives too. Talent attracts talent which is reality. OKC will live on, as will San Antonio.
It's about competent management. Ask the Cubs. Ask the current Lakers.
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Ask San Francisco Giants ;-)
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It's amazing to me how personally people take these types of moves. He's given OKC nine years - he may be only 27, but that's a lot of wear and tear on the body, and he has his own personal or/and professional goals that he wants to achieve.
The management statement was gracious and appreciative and OKC fans should take note. This is far different than vitriol that came from Dan Gilbert ( so many Cleveland fans don't deserve LeBron).
Let KD be.... and get a real life while you're at it.
The management statement was gracious and appreciative and OKC fans should take note. This is far different than vitriol that came from Dan Gilbert ( so many Cleveland fans don't deserve LeBron).
Let KD be.... and get a real life while you're at it.
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[[He's given OKC nine years - he may be only 27, but that's a lot of wear and tear on the body, and he has his own personal or/and professional goals that he wants to achieve.]]
There would be no crime in it if his only goal was to make as much money as humanly possible.
There would be no crime in it if his only goal was to make as much money as humanly possible.
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Durant isn't from OKC and he didn't stage a prime-time event to knife his hometown fans in the back. You wouldn't understand NE Ohio if you and what these people have been through in the last decades. When there are no jobs, when all graduates leave the area and when the kids are on heroin a figure like LeBron takes on a bigger significance than just a sports hero.
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OKC had a 'big 3' when Harden was there - big 3 egos that is -- that couldn't see beyond the silly oneups manship money grab that marks the era. If the 3 had all been willing to give a bit back in salary then Harden could have stayed and OKC would likely have couple of rings. But no, all these clowns can do is look see is who has the biggest payday .... they spend all their time worrying who's making what and they forget that basketball is a team sport and each team can only put five players on the court at one time I use to like Golden State, and Durant - now is dislike them both .... weird huh?
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It's funny; when you reflect back on the Western Conference Finals this year, can you remember a single great play that involved ball movement *between* Westbrook and KD? I'm sure they were there, but it's not like that's the image that comes right to mind - they were no John Stockton/Karl Malone tandem. Mainly, the image one has of the Thunder w/ their original stud three is each of them doing their amazing talent thing one-on-one with the opponents' defense.
The fact that team had all *three* of those guys and couldn't make it all the way illustrates what a deciding advantage it can be to have chemistry, good team defense and the right attitude in order to win everything.
The fact that team had all *three* of those guys and couldn't make it all the way illustrates what a deciding advantage it can be to have chemistry, good team defense and the right attitude in order to win everything.
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One cannot help but wonder where was KD's heart during games 6 and 7....California dreamin' all along? He could have been the Super Star who won OKC's first title next year. Instead he chose "team building" and what his endorsers directed. Will fans get smart and realize it is all about business and buying jerseys is foolhardy. Athletes care little about the fans anymore.
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Cash is King. Always follow the money.
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He would have made more money staying in OKC. Not sure what you're talking about.
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Actually, that's 100% incorrect. Cash in the NBA today is not king. All teams are rich and have so much to pay players that those at the top are not concerned whether team A pays them 100M vs. team B paying them 110M. Its about the players, coaches, management and the probability of winning a championship.
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He could have received more money by staying put.... This is about winning championship.
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with kevin steph and all those other stars, golden state should win the title easily next year in 5 over cleveland. Kevin wants a ring and a lot more money!
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If it played out like that, then the game would be boring. Its not bc injuries, bad bounces, referee decisions and many other variables. This year's GS team was much better than last year's team that won the championship. But this year's team suffered multiple injuries at the end and the lesser team won. Last, the reverse.
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Just about everyone had the Warriors beating Cleveland in 5 or 6 this year, also.
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I've been to OKC.
Would you really want to live there?
Would you really want to live there?
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yes
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As opposed to the Bay Area? Really?
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MGM, remember that Kevin Durant has lots of money. The down side of the Bay Area is that it's expensive. That shouldn't bother Kevin Durant much.
Skiing just a couple hours away. Cosmopolitan city in SF and plenty of beautiful scenery and national parks within a couple hours too.
Also, MY GOD MAN, you live in New York City!
Skiing just a couple hours away. Cosmopolitan city in SF and plenty of beautiful scenery and national parks within a couple hours too.
Also, MY GOD MAN, you live in New York City!
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Among the fine observation of Harvey Araton on the Durant trade, the one that is most significant is that Golden State still must play the upcoming season.
There are far too many unpredictable elements in the fast paced NBA that can make a sure thing quickly fall apart. Rarely can a championship emerge within a year of acquiring even major superstars as Golden State has done.
There are far too many unpredictable elements in the fast paced NBA that can make a sure thing quickly fall apart. Rarely can a championship emerge within a year of acquiring even major superstars as Golden State has done.
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In no other team sport can a player virtually guarantee a finals appearance if not a championship by simply signing a contract. When a team has just five players, and the ball can be distributed among just three of them on every single play, it makes the sport, to me, a joke. That's why I don't waste my time with the eighty-two regular- season games that lead to the NBA playoffs, or the ridiculous early rounds that blow out the teams who shouldn't have been there in the first place. The league needs to learn the benefits of parity as the other three have instead of building monuments to its superstars to raise their personal fortunes even higher. And what an ego on that Durant, positioning himself there in the Hamptons, waiting to be entertained.
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What she said.
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You've obviously never once in your life heard of FC Barcelona... or Real Madrid... or Manchester City... or...
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It's not that easy. Every team has at least one superstar. Or two. Durant and Westbrook couldn't bring a championship. Neither could GSW this year. But KD collaborating with Curry, Green and Thompson?- maybe. But Lebron is tough and the greatest player of our time., The players all want to win. KD more than anyone, a MVP and top 5 player in the NBA- who wants to win.
Hey Lebron, can you complain on international television and get durant thrown out of the league?
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GSW lost fair and square - time to get over it! Go CAVS!!
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Of course the ratings for the Finals are high. You don't need to watch anything until the Finals begin. What's the point?
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Some people love the sport called basketball.
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For me, the point is this: I love basketball - watching it, not playing it. As a diehard Knicks fan, I've long been accustomed to losing seasons, yet I still watch most Knicks' games. I also appreciate the game, so I watch other teams whose play I enjoy: OKC, the Spurs and the Warriors in particular. I actually look forward to the post-season and watch as many games as possible, getting to know teams I rarely see otherwise. For this basketball fan, a great game, whether during the regular or post season, is always a joy.
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Traitor. It's that simple. That's fine Kevin. Hope you get your precious ring, but it won't mean anything.
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Really? Championships don't mean a thing? maybe you got a participation trophy when you played soccer.
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@FXQ - do you really have a life? Traitor? Seriously? Does KD needs to get your permission to make changes in his life?
Who died and left you in charge?
You really need to spend more time out of your mother's basement. There is a world out there to explore. And, you too, can have a life rather than spend hours playing video games while drinking energy drinks. Sheeesh.
Who died and left you in charge?
You really need to spend more time out of your mother's basement. There is a world out there to explore. And, you too, can have a life rather than spend hours playing video games while drinking energy drinks. Sheeesh.
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Hope your city is not as boring as it will ever be. Let KD live a life where he can enjoy the weather, cosmopolitan baes, chronic xabadonic mush-hush-push sativa, and many other delicacies that the West brings. What's in OKC aside from Olive Garden and weird rednecks, anyways?
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One could easily point out that if you had to play with Russell Westbrook, you might be looking for other jobs ASAP.
The NBA deservedly gets knocks for teaching kids selfish, show off, "posterizing" sportsmanship. I'm happy as anything my son can see this new era, where egos are checked and grown men make decisions to work as a team for a common goal. Credit Wade, Bosh and James. Credit to Durant, Curry, Green and Thompson. Credit to Rose, 'Mello and Noah for giving me something in professional sports that teaches good values and lifelong skills.
The NBA deservedly gets knocks for teaching kids selfish, show off, "posterizing" sportsmanship. I'm happy as anything my son can see this new era, where egos are checked and grown men make decisions to work as a team for a common goal. Credit Wade, Bosh and James. Credit to Durant, Curry, Green and Thompson. Credit to Rose, 'Mello and Noah for giving me something in professional sports that teaches good values and lifelong skills.
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Melo? He's one of the most selfish players in the league.
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