For years I've been of the understanding that China, since it became capitalist, is just like the US but experiencing our history on a highly accelerated timeline. I'd say the environmental disasters now accompanied by public outrage against police abuse puts them somewhere in the late '60s. It will be interesting to see what happens next with civil rights given the growth of surveillance technology compared to the Hoover FBI.
Customs differ from place to place in China; In this area of China, foot massage parlors are a legitimate element of society, commonplace, well lighted, open, and often attended by husbands and wives for an evening outing. Good chance he was getting a foot massage, not unusual at all. A "happy ending" is no toenail fungus
A normal 29 year old male is an unlikely candidate for a stress induced heart attack. Not sure what happened here but the suggestion that he was a "John" who tried to flee from police and unluckily died, is a stretch.
A normal 29 year old male is an unlikely candidate for a stress induced heart attack. Not sure what happened here but the suggestion that he was a "John" who tried to flee from police and unluckily died, is a stretch.
I agree with and by the way great writing skills in English
'On Wednesday, People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, appeared to push back against suspicions of police brutality by publishing a rare, detailed interview with the police officer in charge of what the police said was an antiprostitution raid in Changping, a northern district of Beijing, where Mr. Lei was reportedly picked up shortly after 9 p.m. on Saturday.
I in no way wish to excuse the type of police brutality which seems to have resulted in Mr Lei's death, and which is equally reprehensible no matter where it occurs - in China, in the United States, or, for that matter, here in Sweden, where, alas, it is hardly unknown. However, I find the use of the pejorative term 'mouthpiece' to describe the relation between the 'People's Daily' and the Chinese Communist Party unfortunate and disingenuous, surely so well-educated a correspondent as Ms Tatlow should be able to find a more neutral term. e g, 'spokesman', for the Party's official organ. Or have the New York Times' editors decided that their colleague is always to be described in this derogatory manner ?...
Given the Times' history of supporting all US wars on foreign countries - at least until they turn sour - what terms should properly be used to describe that journal's relation to the US government and the US State Department ?...
Henri
I in no way wish to excuse the type of police brutality which seems to have resulted in Mr Lei's death, and which is equally reprehensible no matter where it occurs - in China, in the United States, or, for that matter, here in Sweden, where, alas, it is hardly unknown. However, I find the use of the pejorative term 'mouthpiece' to describe the relation between the 'People's Daily' and the Chinese Communist Party unfortunate and disingenuous, surely so well-educated a correspondent as Ms Tatlow should be able to find a more neutral term. e g, 'spokesman', for the Party's official organ. Or have the New York Times' editors decided that their colleague is always to be described in this derogatory manner ?...
Given the Times' history of supporting all US wars on foreign countries - at least until they turn sour - what terms should properly be used to describe that journal's relation to the US government and the US State Department ?...
Henri
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Police in Beijing, and especially in Changping which is the embassy district, loathe publicity. Murder of a college educated middle class citizen receiving a 'happy ending' massage (200 rmb will purchase nothing more in that neighborhood) can not have been intentional. Hopefully the media exposure will modify police use of force and constraints.
Sounds like another country I know.
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And I thought the police in China were better than those in the USA.
Looks like it's the same old, same old over there too.
Looks like it's the same old, same old over there too.
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Are these the same cops that have been deployed to Rome to protect Chinese tourists?
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US citizens know all about people dying while in police custody, but it's good to read that Chinese citizens are beginning to question authority in their own country. Good sign, I think.
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I thought the NY Times was blocked in China?
How do you guys read and post??
How do you guys read and post??
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Yes, it is, I'm using VPN and SSH.
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ExpressVPN works well enough but censors getting more cleaver and differences in effectiveness with local. Have to use command prompt from time to time.
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There is not enough info to draw a conclusion. For instance did this guy do something that may have angered someone in power? I have a few friends from people's university and their graduates are taking this very seriously. Nobody believes the official story. When you don't trust your own police who do you turn to? Tough questions.
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Turn to NYPD, if possible
Ask the citizens of Ferguson, Missouri, New York City, Baltimore, Maryland, or Los Angeles, California. Or, maybe you haven't heard.
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China should learn from incidents in Syria, Iran, the United States, Tienanmen, that the little injustices blow up to be major causes when absolute power is abused.
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Quote - “foot massage parlor” is a common euphemism for a brothel
Do you mean that prostitution is legal or covered brothel is common in China? Neither seems to be consistent wit the persistently conservative view of the government. Any explanation?
Do you mean that prostitution is legal or covered brothel is common in China? Neither seems to be consistent wit the persistently conservative view of the government. Any explanation?
We're a communist country here, the law and the law enforcement in practice are often different.
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Same here. Selective enforcement.
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Now there are latest comments on the internet in China. Some people said Mr. Lei Yang was murdered because he had investigated the chemical contamination in Changzhou, which blocked the local power's way to make money...
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Many interesting aspects of Lei Yang, hopefully the Times will publish a follow up. There is a crackdown on prostitution now a fairly recent boosting of arrest on so-called sex crimes and 200 rmb is a likely standard price for action described at a massage parlor. What is more interesting is the lack of video coverage and sound recording, both are extensive in China and often provide evening TV entertaining with the suspects face blanked out.. But action at arrest site and in patrol car could possibly not been recorded, does sound suspicious. That Lei was middle class and well know is in the families favor but like elsewhere unlikely any punitive action will be taken against arresting officers. His friends attitudes with regard to police revealing of a basic distrust not surprising. Good one and bad ones.
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Law school of Renmin University is one of most prestigious law school in China, like Yale law or Columbia law in US. But they even couldn't speak out for their alumni in this absurd case, this is really sad.
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If you do the thing(s) not satisfy CCP, you will get trouble(s).
If you do the thing(s) satisfy CCP, you will get reward(s).
Block negative information on internet. conduct propaganda and brainwash.
Orwell's 1984. China will actualize it.