While I don't expect "Blue Bloods", I would expect something better than "Car 54".
The NYTimes constant attack on police and defense of minorities - no matter their guilt - is unconscionable. While I doubt many on the board live in crime ridden areas, it would be nice if for once they were honest, versus racist.
de Blasio was wrong. Wrong when he marched with Sharpton, wrong when he paid him as a consultant, wrong when he paid him retroactively (!) and worse - wrong when he attacks the citizens that actually pay taxes in support of his nonsense while traveling around the world in a jet. If this is the poster child for the NYTimes, it may be time for subscribers to cancel.
de Blasio was wrong. Wrong when he marched with Sharpton, wrong when he paid him as a consultant, wrong when he paid him retroactively (!) and worse - wrong when he attacks the citizens that actually pay taxes in support of his nonsense while traveling around the world in a jet. If this is the poster child for the NYTimes, it may be time for subscribers to cancel.
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The most difficult job of a mayor is his relationship between the police and the public. Your police force is who you call to risk their life for you. The public also want protection. And it's the mayors job to decide who gets that protection most. And the established order is always first choice. Be careful if you steer too far from that.
The main thing you don't want to do is lose control.
It's easy to criticize the police, but try being one.
The main thing you don't want to do is lose control.
It's easy to criticize the police, but try being one.
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Write: reporter Bellafante: "A report that the group released in March said that in 1,880 cases recorded in criminal courts in Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens, from June 3, 2014, to March 18, 2016, 91 percent of the defendants were minorities."
91% means bias, correct? Over two decades ago, then-Senator Bill Bradley, a model liberal senator of impeccable character, said the un-sayable: that in urban areas, even those in which minorities really were in the minority, most crimes were committed by members of the minority group. Until we can deal honestly with this uncomfortable fact, there will be no meaningful two-way conversation about police bias and the use of deadly force.
91% means bias, correct? Over two decades ago, then-Senator Bill Bradley, a model liberal senator of impeccable character, said the un-sayable: that in urban areas, even those in which minorities really were in the minority, most crimes were committed by members of the minority group. Until we can deal honestly with this uncomfortable fact, there will be no meaningful two-way conversation about police bias and the use of deadly force.
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Can you please address the same numbers that speak to "white on white violence" because white people kill white people at about the same percentages.
Doubt "Dollar Bill" mentioned that.
Doubt "Dollar Bill" mentioned that.
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I voted for DeBlasio and had high hopes of significant reform within not only the NYPD, but all the city and government agencies. There is so much waste and corruption that is as obvious as the deeply held conviction of the people in authority who will continue to fight against any change in their system. The police refused to work when DeBlasio tried to stand up to them, and unfortunately, like many politicians, he buckled under the pressure. True conviction unfortunately requires a lack of self-preservation that very few politicians have these days.
And unfortunately, DeBlasio has made far too many missteps since taking office that he faces an uphill battle for reelection. And not just on police reform. The next step for reformers is going above the city authority and taking it to the state or federal government, similar to what is happening in Ferguson and Flint. Too many isolated incidences are evidence of a pattern or system of abuse and violations of civil rights.
And unfortunately, DeBlasio has made far too many missteps since taking office that he faces an uphill battle for reelection. And not just on police reform. The next step for reformers is going above the city authority and taking it to the state or federal government, similar to what is happening in Ferguson and Flint. Too many isolated incidences are evidence of a pattern or system of abuse and violations of civil rights.
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The core of the issue remains the hiring practices of the department. There are obviously no serious efforts at determining the personal and psychological attitudes and belief systems of the men and women who are hired. It isn't enough to pass a written exam and a physical. People who interact with people as part of their jobs need to be scrutinized psychologically.
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Well, yes, but also the firing practices.
And the indicting practices.
Some of our cops (let's say a few) are criminals.
But law and order must start with the police themselves.
They must not be treated as a separate class, exempt from all but the most serious laws.
And the indicting practices.
Some of our cops (let's say a few) are criminals.
But law and order must start with the police themselves.
They must not be treated as a separate class, exempt from all but the most serious laws.
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Vince, have you applied?
'Belief systems'?
Before Francis X.Livoti choked Antony Baez to death in1994, for having the Gall to hit his Patrol Car with a football, Choke holds in all its forms were Banned by the Police Patrol Guide. To say it not illegal is hardly the point, Police are not allowed to use it, Police Commissioner Kelly said in 1993, there are "no exception in regards to chokeholds they are banned under all circumstances." While it is not an act of the State legislature, chokeholds are forbidden in the NYC Police Department, and have been since at least 1993. Clarity is wonderful
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The tone of the article is entirely correct. NOTHING, structurally, has changed with the NYPD even after all the protests and turned backs and promises of body cams for all officers (HOW LONG SHOULD THIS TAKE?) and all the other empty words and promises. The turmoil of last year has died down somewhat because there hasn't been a case to trigger any large protests. Akai Gurley was a tragedy but most surely NOT the same time of crime that took the life of Eric Garner and many others. However, the public should not be deceived. Relations between the public and the police are still as tenuous as ever. This doesn't serve the thousands of valuable and decent officers who are still viewed with skepticism and fear by the public nor the communities that are hardest hit by police overreach. I repeat my moniker that our mayor REMAINS Mayor "Do Little" BeBlasio, and when one promises so much and delivers so little that proves he's not worthy of the office he was entrusted with.
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William can't wait for the next case.
Since then someone should remind him that theres been thousands of murders committed by someone other than the police.
Since then someone should remind him that theres been thousands of murders committed by someone other than the police.
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Shame on Daniel Pantaleo. RIP Eric Garner
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"A report that the group released in March said that in 1,880 cases recorded in criminal courts in Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens, from June 3, 2014, to March 18, 2016, 91 percent of the defendants were minorities." I am sure that this group also knows that minorities commit over 90% of violent crime too ( http://newobserveronline.com/new-york-nonwhites-commit-92-of-violent-crime) but this group, and the ones similar to it, of course, never mention that fact. That is why we talk past each other and will never see eye to eye
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...Eric Garner in the illegal chokehold that killed him...
Once again a chokehold is not illegal no matter how many time the NYT writes it.
Once again a chokehold is not illegal no matter how many time the NYT writes it.
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Can you cite something to support your argument?
It appears that Commissioner Kelly banned them in 1993: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-off...
Has that ban been rescinded? If the NYT is wrong, it would be helpful for you to provide some evidence for your assertion.
It appears that Commissioner Kelly banned them in 1993: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-off...
Has that ban been rescinded? If the NYT is wrong, it would be helpful for you to provide some evidence for your assertion.
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@Sam
Type in to any web browser. Chokehold not illegal and ta da!
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/nyc-police-chokeholds_n_6272000.html
The Internet is crazy that way if you actually are interested in a subject or point of view different than your own.
Type in to any web browser. Chokehold not illegal and ta da!
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/nyc-police-chokeholds_n_6272000.html
The Internet is crazy that way if you actually are interested in a subject or point of view different than your own.
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both sam and vincent are trying to mislead readers because obviously both of them have agendas. chokehold are not illegal per se in NY but have been banned by internal regulation of the nyc department since 1993.
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The Mollen Commission (1994) noted that corruption/misconduct and violence co-occur. Those of us living east of Broadway in Washington Heights see this co-occurrence in the 34th precinct all the time. We wonder how nearly every block can have long-term open drug-dealing. We know that the officers of the precinct and of Internal Affairs are fully aware of this sale of not only weed but white powders and prescription drugs. We even have hints that the NYS AG's Office of Public Integrity is aware. Brutality and laxness are two sides of the same coin.
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Imagine how we felt here in east New York Brooklyn. We had the corrupt cop Michael dowd and his band of 30 thieves destroy our neighborhood. That lead to the mollen commission. Nothing has changed! Clearly.
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Same thing on Manhattan's early 1960's Upper West Side (B'way above 135th St) liquor store wkly payoff's and open drug dealing on the streets as the recent emigres from the Caribbean settled into the neighborhood. Most of the established neighborhood relocated to Queens & the Bronx. The elderly were trapped!
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Dowd and his crew were thugs but ENY was destroyed long before that.
This is the Democratic Party's own fault. Over the last 50 years if not longer, the Dems gave the police union everything they wanted. They created a "Godzilla". The public suffers, minorities suffer. The police union gets more powerful. This is one of the few time i can say, that a union should be busted, and be decertified. Better to have the cops answerable to the public officials than the other way around.
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If any municipal unions should be decertified it should be the teachers unions. Over the past several decades their policies have dessimated minority's communities thought out the US condemning generations of poor to continued poverty and despair. Any "abuses" of the police union pale in comparison to the holocasust perpetuated on minorites by the teachers unions.
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most of the laws allowing collusion are formulated with retired cops in your Oregon legislature who are Republican. then take a good look at city attorney's writing contracts to allow obfuscation to prevent a proper suit. if you are from Portland, you should be able to establish my cred... it is not a party though most cops and related players are registered Republican or demo in name only .should you check
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Many, many members of the UFT and AFT, respectively, ARE minorities! I suppose it's also mass suicide, with your reasoning.
NYC citizens are increasingly permissive of an anti-NYPD rhetoric and a corresponding increase in crime. I am mystified that NYC citizens (of all people!), are eager to return to the crime-ridden days of the Dinkens administration of the 80's.
If crime, fear, and one of the highest crime rates in the world are your gig, I say carry on.
If crime, fear, and one of the highest crime rates in the world are your gig, I say carry on.
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Wanting to be protected by a police department that follows the law and does not waste taxpayer resources is not the same as wishing a return to the days of higher crime. I wish the NYPD apologists would be able to grasp that nuance.
I'm not anti-police. I want good, committed cops on the job, I want them to be supported in their work, and I want them to come home safe at the end of their shifts. But I also want them to be fair, law-abiding, and to avoid racism and needless violence.
Also, haven't crime rates fallen? Can you show that they've risen? It appears to me that they've fallen. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
I'm not anti-police. I want good, committed cops on the job, I want them to be supported in their work, and I want them to come home safe at the end of their shifts. But I also want them to be fair, law-abiding, and to avoid racism and needless violence.
Also, haven't crime rates fallen? Can you show that they've risen? It appears to me that they've fallen. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
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For the most part, Sam, I heartily agree with you.
But in my neighborhood, crime is up.
No sooner do our cops arrest a drug gang than a new crew takes its place.
Tiresome.
But in my neighborhood, crime is up.
No sooner do our cops arrest a drug gang than a new crew takes its place.
Tiresome.
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I also have big concerns about the way crime is reported and tracked, especially as it relates to the decisions made at officers' discretions. I wonder how many reports are downgraded to make violent or otherwise serious crime stats look better.
(It's anecdotal and admittedly just one data point, but my wondering is grounded in an experience when a loved one's apartment was barged into and she was assaulted...and the cops declined to pursue charges, characterizing it as "a verbal dispute.")
The recent NYT story on the NYPD's practice of arresting low-level drug users instead of the dealers or their suppliers also strikes me as counterproductive, though I am no law enforcement analyst, criminologist, or anything other than a concerned citizen.
(It's anecdotal and admittedly just one data point, but my wondering is grounded in an experience when a loved one's apartment was barged into and she was assaulted...and the cops declined to pursue charges, characterizing it as "a verbal dispute.")
The recent NYT story on the NYPD's practice of arresting low-level drug users instead of the dealers or their suppliers also strikes me as counterproductive, though I am no law enforcement analyst, criminologist, or anything other than a concerned citizen.
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Ms. Malcolm has misplaced the target of her criticism. While incredibly vocal for her son's death (and she should), there were absolute crickets from her addressing her son's underlying criminal activity that invited police action in the first place! Maybe she should instead spend her time being an advocate toward ending all criminal activity in her neighborhood - the drugs, the violence, - plus better schools.
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Mayor Bill is using the cards dealt in the game of politics.
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