When there's sooooooo much money at stake, of course athletes are tempted to take things to make them recover faster from injury, or to enhance performance. But to short-circuit that temptation, if players' tests were held for a few decades, so that the samples could be tested in the future, when tests will be, possibly, more sensitive--the threat could dissuade a lot of our heroes.
Nice job by the NYT here.
Too bad Al Jazeera spent all that time and didn't come up with it.
Also, the NYT work does nothing to even remotely undermine Peyton Manning's position. Al Jazeera is trying to back off the implications it made about him.
Too bad Al Jazeera spent all that time and didn't come up with it.
Also, the NYT work does nothing to even remotely undermine Peyton Manning's position. Al Jazeera is trying to back off the implications it made about him.
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Crazy thing is, doping no longer requires the needles, or other paraphernalia. There are capsules, powders, and creams. They are everywhere, I have had teammates that have doped, trainers and co-workers. Anything to reach the next level of greatness. I would be lying if I said I haven't thought about it. I can see why athletes would be pressured to get there.
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the big story here, buried way down, is JETER, not peyton manning and the others. and this is how it begins, a boulder slowly rolling downhill, with intentionally sown chaos and confusion, tentative circumstantial reporting, but then leading to a serious fact based investigation.
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Thank you New Times and Michael Powell for some honest reporting I'm amazed as to how quickly, with almost blinding speed that every ex-NFL player, commentator, sports talking head on ESPN were so quick to defend Peyton Manning, and call this a lie.....the same individuals that went out of there way to immediately convict, and proclaim Tom Brady a cheater and liar over a false and inaccurate report on PSI in balls that was issued by the NFL mouthpiece Chris Mortenson, which was completely inaccurate and never once rescinded and never discredited by the NFL.
These same people that were so quick and still pass judgment on Tom Brady without any evidence, and what looks like a calculated effort to smear Tom Brady and the New England Patriots by jealous owners and Roger Goodell , as shown by a shoddy Wells Report that cherry picked information and ignored facts, and Roger Goodell's released statements during Tom Brady's hearings that show Goodell, not Tom Brady lied continuously in public statement to try and make Tom Brady look guilty.
I don't care about whether Peyton Manning was using HGH to recover over a sever neck injury, and it looks like that's exactly what he did......but, I do care about the hypocrisy of the NFL, and Tom Brady's critics who were dead wrong and still can't bring themselves to admit they fell for a stupid phony claims by the soar sport losers Ravens and the Colts. I want to know why the NFL is not releasing any of the PSI readings recorded now?
These same people that were so quick and still pass judgment on Tom Brady without any evidence, and what looks like a calculated effort to smear Tom Brady and the New England Patriots by jealous owners and Roger Goodell , as shown by a shoddy Wells Report that cherry picked information and ignored facts, and Roger Goodell's released statements during Tom Brady's hearings that show Goodell, not Tom Brady lied continuously in public statement to try and make Tom Brady look guilty.
I don't care about whether Peyton Manning was using HGH to recover over a sever neck injury, and it looks like that's exactly what he did......but, I do care about the hypocrisy of the NFL, and Tom Brady's critics who were dead wrong and still can't bring themselves to admit they fell for a stupid phony claims by the soar sport losers Ravens and the Colts. I want to know why the NFL is not releasing any of the PSI readings recorded now?
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It's still a little early to discern a pattern on how Rob Manfred might handle matters of this nature, but as for Roger Greedell, his modus operandi is well established on everything from concussions to performance-enhancing drugs to domestic violence.
In other words, if you're looking for meaningful action, don't hold your breath. Just remember to keep your footballs properly inflated. And, of course, protect the shield. You know, the "integrity of the game."
In other words, if you're looking for meaningful action, don't hold your breath. Just remember to keep your footballs properly inflated. And, of course, protect the shield. You know, the "integrity of the game."
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Note to myself. Disregard all Michael Powell blogs - come on articles. Subject in last sentence of rehashed info.
If Ryan Howard was on human growth hormone, then human growth hormone ought to sue him for slander.
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I wonder if Jeter knows any communists. this guilt by association story is beneath the Times. I would remind the readers that ballplayers are routinely tested.
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What Sly is is stupid, he just bankrupted himself regardless of whether his "testimony" is true or false.
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Can there be one single hard factual piece of evidence before people's lives are destroyed and muckraking becomes the sport. If it's true fine, but just one piece of evidence that's not hearsay and patched together with Elmer's.
Walter Cronkite ?
Walter Cronkite ?
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As was noted by some researchers years ago, a statistical analysis of game performance across all players before and after some substance gets banned and tested for regularly, can show if in fact the substance had widespread use. Game play stats will drop ever so much.
Rigorous, regular drug testing, while also saving samples for many years down the road when new technology can detect currently banned substances or procedures that evade detection now, can put an end to most of this cheating.
Rigorous, regular drug testing, while also saving samples for many years down the road when new technology can detect currently banned substances or procedures that evade detection now, can put an end to most of this cheating.
Innocent until proven guilty? That has always been stated as the way American justice works. If the star witness recants his testimony, what do you have? Journalists are always on the prowl for an interesting story that will bring down a powerful person, and establish their creds in the industry. Unfortunately they often publish stories that can not be backed up with facts that hold up under examination. It seems to me that Al Jazerra needs to be held accountable as Rolling Stone is as a result of the false story about sexual abuse at the University of Virginia. The stakes for false reporting that damages the reputation of public figures need to be large to prevent this kind of reporting.
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then again, Lance Armstrong denied doping for 13 years and had to pay back the money he won from a libel suit.
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Maybe Ryan Zimmerman and Ryan Howard filing lawsuits against Al Jazeera would be taken more seriously if Bill Cosby hadn't filed lawsuits against seven of the women he is accused of drugging and molesting.
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If Manning used steroids when recovering from neck surgery then he should come clean. To recover from that many surgeries and be able to live a normal life is hard never mind playing in the NFL at a high level.
If he used steroids as a performance enhancer then he should retire. The truth will eventually come out and it would be better for him if he was already out the league and leaving in disgrace.
If he never took them then he should sue.
If he used steroids as a performance enhancer then he should retire. The truth will eventually come out and it would be better for him if he was already out the league and leaving in disgrace.
If he never took them then he should sue.
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About 40 years ago there was an article in either Time or Newsweek in which a lineman was quoted as saying he didn't want to go up against an opposing lineman whose pupils were dilated, who was drooling, snorting, and pawing the earth, unless he was in the same condition.
I've often thought of that over the years as one of the more insightful things I've read about the NFL.
I've often thought of that over the years as one of the more insightful things I've read about the NFL.
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A fascinating aspect of the whole saga is how America will come to terms with a non-US media entity taking the center stage, and the inability of some to look at the issue passed the outlet name. Many follow the story just on that premise.
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I've always had a lot of respect for Al Jazeera's accurate reporting (as well as the NYT).
Can't say the same for some professional athletes - especially those who have been caught out or almost caught out in in fib after fib.
Can't say the same for some professional athletes - especially those who have been caught out or almost caught out in in fib after fib.
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But remember - only the Russians should be banned and investigated officially because, well, Russia. Putin. All that...
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Excuse me dopey author of this story about nothing, but chemists do not talk about "pig brain peptides". In fact, a chemist would call that a monoclonal peptide from a pig, and that would not come from a pig's brain, as that would be a whole protein, not a peptide. Trust me, nothing about either of these doping clowns has anything to do with nutrition, as they are running a scam. Hint: one doesn't learn nutrition science by talking to dumb athletes willing to destroy their own brains for money, and one does not learn it in pharmacy school which is why your high tech dopers sound stupid to actual chemists and nutritionists .
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Dear Mr. Sly
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”
What was Sly supposed,to do? What a silly question. He was supposed to stand up and tell the truth. He has "manacled" himself more by recanting than had he stuck to his original story. Now he has absolutely no credibility. I don't know which story is true and neither do you Mr. Powell. But you choose to craft an article to suggest a certain conclusion through innuendo as opposed to hard evidence. Either take your commentary to the editorial page or join Monty Python ("Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more.....)
the olympic games are a major league sporting event. in contrast, NBA, MLB and NFL games are minor league events.
why? the olympics are not perfect but they are serious about going after athletes who use performance enhancing drugs. this led to the creation of WADA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency
WADA enforcement includes random drug testing with practically no advance notice. this does not exist in the MLB, NBA and NFL.
when athletes are caught cheating in the olympics, the punishment is severe. some have forfeited gold medals. when was the last time the winner of a NFL, MLB or NBA game was stripped of a victory? how about a super bowl or world series or NBA title? some might argue that it is unfair to strip a team of the win since some team members are innocent. this lack of desire to go after cheaters seriously means that teammates and managers who are aware of the cheating have no motive to come clean or stop the cheating. the real problem is that pro sports teams are only care about money rolling in, and will close one or perhaps both eyes to performance enhancing drugs. college sports are cleaner.
olympic history on the other hand includes teams that have been stripped of their medals (and sometimes returned).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals
the news media should reduce coverage of pro sports not complying to WADA rules and public money should not be used to finance stadiums for such sports.
why? the olympics are not perfect but they are serious about going after athletes who use performance enhancing drugs. this led to the creation of WADA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency
WADA enforcement includes random drug testing with practically no advance notice. this does not exist in the MLB, NBA and NFL.
when athletes are caught cheating in the olympics, the punishment is severe. some have forfeited gold medals. when was the last time the winner of a NFL, MLB or NBA game was stripped of a victory? how about a super bowl or world series or NBA title? some might argue that it is unfair to strip a team of the win since some team members are innocent. this lack of desire to go after cheaters seriously means that teammates and managers who are aware of the cheating have no motive to come clean or stop the cheating. the real problem is that pro sports teams are only care about money rolling in, and will close one or perhaps both eyes to performance enhancing drugs. college sports are cleaner.
olympic history on the other hand includes teams that have been stripped of their medals (and sometimes returned).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals
the news media should reduce coverage of pro sports not complying to WADA rules and public money should not be used to finance stadiums for such sports.
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Manning is in the rare position of being able to do so much good by coming clean and admiting to what he was doing. It would take a level of strength and bravery rarely seen by a professional athlete. And he'd be forgiven.
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And NEVER seen in a multi-centimillionaire.
You have Manning guilty, because of Lance Armstrong's inability to be truthful?
I think we've seen all this before in the Lance Armstrong saga: In particular, the equivocal denials and attacking the source of the allegations as opposed to addressing the allegations on their merits. We all know how the Armstrong affair turned out. I suspect that there is a real doping story here.
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All the steroids in the world do not help a baseball player who could never hit a curveball, and is now having trouble with fastballs as well.
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Yet somehow steroids and HGH led to the home run derbies of the 1990s?
Or players like Bonds, Sosa and McGuire, to say nothing of Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz, getting better as they aged, something that never happened statistically before in the history of the game?
Or do you still believe the baseballs had been manufactured differently during the PED era?
Steroids and HGH are banned from baseball for a reason.
Or players like Bonds, Sosa and McGuire, to say nothing of Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz, getting better as they aged, something that never happened statistically before in the history of the game?
Or do you still believe the baseballs had been manufactured differently during the PED era?
Steroids and HGH are banned from baseball for a reason.
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That's right Jim, but steroids and HGH etc could help 300' flyouts become 330' home runs.
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actually they do. your mind reacts faster, your body responds faster. just like being on speed. you can catch up to the fastball, wait longer for the curve and have the ability to pull the trigger faster. if you could never hit a curve, sure, but that guy wouldn't have been in the majors in the first place.
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Professional athletes using PED's? Shocking.
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Uh oh....looks like one of the "nutritional supplements" (i said that much sarcasm) shops got caught. It probably was selling HGH and other illegal substances on the low. Maybe Peyton was indulging in the illegal substance.
People are always trying to find ways to game the system
People are always trying to find ways to game the system
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good reporting! as others feel, there's something here, stay on it. I had couple serious non-pro athletefriends who paid big $$$ to work out and train at a place he used to run and the guy does know his advanced training methods. there's 100 gyms nationwide where you can have them craft a program tailored to you. all it takes is fat $$$ and most non-pros dont have it or have the time it takes to train to stay on that edge to win a triathlon, power lifting or cross fit competition. its all specific training now with the key word being recovery, hence HGH. no more cycling dianabol or maybe stanozanol for 6 weeks on and off and a flush before you p test. its your own cocktail of recovery enhancers and drugs. all it takes is $$$.
what I dont understand is how all these big, fat strong beasts in the nfl move as they do. I see more fat bellies and butts on sunday anymore than you can shake a stick at. if many of them just lost 15# of body fat they'd be better players. the guy deadlifting 405# in the website pic is where we non-pros all want to go. and some of us can still do it too without drugs.
what I dont understand is how all these big, fat strong beasts in the nfl move as they do. I see more fat bellies and butts on sunday anymore than you can shake a stick at. if many of them just lost 15# of body fat they'd be better players. the guy deadlifting 405# in the website pic is where we non-pros all want to go. and some of us can still do it too without drugs.
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When the return is so disproportionate to the risk capital will inevitably flow to that market. As long as sports continue to treat doping as a minor infringement, greed and desperation will keep the doping business alive and well.
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I live in the gym. Performance enhancing drugs are in high schools, all levels of sports and in police departments. They're here to stay.
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Change the delivery of HGH from Manning's house to his wife to Tom Brady's house to Giselle and then the NYT would be all over the story.
But where are you now Mr. Belson, Mr. Rhoden, Ms. Macur, Mr. Pennington, Mr. Shpigel?
You didn't wait for all the facts to come out in the alleged Brady scandal, what are you waiting for now?
But where are you now Mr. Belson, Mr. Rhoden, Ms. Macur, Mr. Pennington, Mr. Shpigel?
You didn't wait for all the facts to come out in the alleged Brady scandal, what are you waiting for now?
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They already convicted Tom Brady without any evidence so ever, and proving lies told by Roger Goodell in his released transcripts of the Brady appeal, versus Goodells public statements.....disgusting.
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The ultimate Catch-22: Manning claims Sly is a pathological liar, but when he recants, we are now supposed to believe him.
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Pro athletes doping? And here I thought they had doubled in size over two decades due to new breakthroughs in weight training.
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Weighttraining has come a long way. yes doping helps, but im sure there are, ripped athletes, that have not cheated.
What's the old saying? Oh, yes: "Where there's smoke, there's fire." I think the aphorism probably applies here. It would be naive to believe that performance-enhancing drugs have been eliminated from baseball and, in football, their use is encouraged by coaches and trainers. The Times should dig deeper. I suspect that, just as was found in the Bonds steroids dispute, there is something there there.
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This is an article that epitomizes the way reporters use innuendo to indict athletes while covering their hind parts in caveats. It is clear that Mr.Powell would be much happier if he could just dump a lot of holier than thou stuff on Payton Manning. Instead, he all but accuses Manning, Howard, Zimmerman and Neal of doping without a shred of evidence apart from the recanted testimony of a hustler. Perhaps Mr. Powell would feel more at home at Al Jazeera, where assertions are all that is necessary to indict individuals instead of the New York Times, a paper of record where assertions should be supported by a modicum of actual evidence.
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So, you didn't find any of that suspicious? A lot of questionable behavior and nobody talking. I believe the saying is "the silence is deafening."
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I forgot the NY Times' journalists names. Are they "Innuendo" and "Caveats"?
maybe you had trouble comprehending the story. what I read showed links between some professional athletes and a trainer with relationship to Sly. I didn't see any accusations, maybe you could cite the specific accusation next time you rail on a reporter for reporting facts.
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I grew up in the late 50s and 60s watching football with my father. I also grew up with a respect for sportsmanship and character. For honesty. Today's youth need models of honor- in and outside of sports. No one wants to believe this dishonorable man, Mr Sly. Nonetheless, whether in politics or financial institutions or sports, we are dependent on the press to pursue. the facts, yes, 'truth'...
I hate to think Mr Manning is lying but I love truth more. Please pursue this story. Your reporter is right: there are questions raised that suggest more to this unpleasant story. If fans like myself (or citizens, in general) allow corruption (in the name of "winning" or "success" or "profit") to prevail, then we have lost the core values that make any endeavor worthy of respect.
I hate to think Mr Manning is lying but I love truth more. Please pursue this story. Your reporter is right: there are questions raised that suggest more to this unpleasant story. If fans like myself (or citizens, in general) allow corruption (in the name of "winning" or "success" or "profit") to prevail, then we have lost the core values that make any endeavor worthy of respect.
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Now here's a topic that needs some major follow-up by sports journalists! We can't count on the networks to do the probing, with all the NFL and MLB cash they're raking in. So, it's up to the print journalists to push this story forward, beyond the he-said, she-said salvos of denials and accusations. And the major sports organizations like the NFL and MLB need to be pressed on whether they're going to pursue the leads, or bury this story under the rugs. This is looking larger than Biogenesis, so let's get the investigations going...
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All the Mannings have always seemed like class acts. They don't womanize, they live quietly, they are very family oriented. I would be shocked beyond all believe if Peyton is found to have used illegal substances.
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Here's your class-act Peyton Manning:
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-t...
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-t...
Peyton was accused of assaulting a female sports assistant who was then threatened and harassed by his supporters.
Is that the type of "class act" you consider? Ray Rice is a nice guy too in your opinion?
Is that the type of "class act" you consider? Ray Rice is a nice guy too in your opinion?
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Ah, well, if you found out Manning cheated on his wife (let's hope not), would you find Sly more believable?
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"[A]bsolutely false....I am recanting," and its fit to print by whom?
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Let's be honest. Manning probably did use HGH. It's a bigger deal than possibly slightly deflated footballs, but in the scheme of things, it's a fairly low-level offense, considering the guy was recovering from multiple neck surgeries.
Ray Lewis, on the other hand, is a murderer; Adrian Peterson a child abuser; Ray Rice a wife-batterer; Ben Roethlisberger a rapist. No one seems to care too much.
Ray Lewis, on the other hand, is a murderer; Adrian Peterson a child abuser; Ray Rice a wife-batterer; Ben Roethlisberger a rapist. No one seems to care too much.
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In fairness, Ray Rice as of now has lost his NFL career over the beating episode. Of the four that you mention, he appears to be the one most interested in addressing and correcting his issues.
Some people definitely do care about the others that you mention, but the the NFL has not had the legal means to do much without more serious convictions (I believe that Peterson's abuse charges were reduced to a misdemeanor, and he got a single year suspension from the NFL), and there were no videos. The fact that these guys were all bigtime players certainly influenced the rather light impact on their careers. Rice was an older player, probably considered expendable.
I don't know if their product endorsements have suffered at all, but I am not buying anything that they endorse.
Some people definitely do care about the others that you mention, but the the NFL has not had the legal means to do much without more serious convictions (I believe that Peterson's abuse charges were reduced to a misdemeanor, and he got a single year suspension from the NFL), and there were no videos. The fact that these guys were all bigtime players certainly influenced the rather light impact on their careers. Rice was an older player, probably considered expendable.
I don't know if their product endorsements have suffered at all, but I am not buying anything that they endorse.
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Derek Jeter? Say it ain't so, Derek.
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Talk about only getting your toe wet, Powell...Your readers know more about Ari Fleisher's creepy background as a million-dollar flack for the famously guilty than you let on. And how about the Packers Sly mentioned who all just happened to have previous suspensions by the NFL for PEDs? It's a slimy trail and if Powell were doing this against Armstrong during the early days he'd probably come out of it wearing a yellow Livestrong band.
Dig deep!
Dig deep!
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Ari Fleischer is Manning's spokesman? The same Ari who was George W Bush's press secretary and made up lies about Iraq, etc, left and right? Well, now we know Manning is lying.
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So is the NYT going to file an amicus curiae brief in the Howard and Zimmerman lawsuits? I need an article update here and some popcorn.
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So many of these stories start out the same. Accusations, then denials and anger. Then admitting they did something wrong. For once I want to see the good guy be found innocent. Just once. No drugs. None. Zippo.
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Never fear, Kareena. I've followed Ryan Zimmerman's career since he was in late high school, heading to UVa. He is and has always been a good guy, he is definitely innocent of any wrongdoing, and court proceedings will prove it. No drugs. None. Zippo. So there you go.
Ha-ha! No lawsuits (yet?). This is the dog that didn't bark.
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I thought Clay Matthews was named in the Al Jazeera doc. No follow up about him?
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He was named but not for doing anything illegal. Just for doing legal stuff.
I have regarded Al Jazeera as a trusted news source since the 2010 midterms when they told me all the money flowing into the election was to buy immunity from prosecution under the act barring bribing foreign official. The subsequent problems had by Shell oil and the slap on the wrist gave me pause for consideration.
Even without Tony Burman as its head Burman's legacy in producing quality journalism lingers on.
Even without Tony Burman as its head Burman's legacy in producing quality journalism lingers on.
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How could anyone not believe Charles Sly? The first time, of course.
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Whoa...
'Last week, Elementz Nutrition voluntarily dissolved and closed its doors.'
And everything in the place disappeared and all the computers had 'computer crashes' and no longer functioned, do you suppose?
Where there's smoke there's fire.
'Last week, Elementz Nutrition voluntarily dissolved and closed its doors.'
And everything in the place disappeared and all the computers had 'computer crashes' and no longer functioned, do you suppose?
Where there's smoke there's fire.
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Ari Fleischer, eh? To paraphrase Confucius: One need not a canon to kill a mosquito
This mosquito must carry dengue, malaria, and East Nile all in one.
This mosquito must carry dengue, malaria, and East Nile all in one.
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This is a scandal only because these compounds are on the list of illegal substances. So change the list and call it a day. Who cares? The billion dollar industry that is the sports-entertainment complex certainly does not care about the health of the players beyond who can play today and who cannot. The players themselves must do whatever they can to stay competitive for as long as they can and they know the risks with or without the substance 'du jour'. Frankly, I'm surprised that the List hasn't been expanded already.
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If we didn't careabout assuring fair competition in sports, (or public health, or the innocent falling prey to scams) I'd be tempted to say, let them eat or inject at will - they'll pay for it sooner or later.
I can't believe the risks people are willing to take with these highly questionable substances without wondering what the long-term risks are to their bodies.
Then again, we are a consumer, immediate gratification society, so I really shouldn't be surprised
I can't believe the risks people are willing to take with these highly questionable substances without wondering what the long-term risks are to their bodies.
Then again, we are a consumer, immediate gratification society, so I really shouldn't be surprised
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If I were a banker, I would not go anywhere near a payday loan business. If I were a doctor, I would not have anything to do with a homeopathic healing clinic. If I were an astrophysicist, I would not frequent an astrologer. And if I were a professional athlete, I would not so much as drive down the street on which a business called Elementz Nutrition was located. Millionaire athletes like Payton Manning have more than plenty of means to develop training and nutrition regimens without having to rely on Florida businesses that specialize in "vitamins, minerals, proteins, and enzymes [that] are essential for our bodies to PERFORM"! You mean like PERFORMANCE enhancing substances, wink wink? Can these athletes really be so clueless as to not realize how this APPEARS, even if it completely innocent. Or, were they up to something more than just taking vitamins and working out at Elementz Nutrition?
And by the way, enzymes ARE proteins. Their slogan is like saying, "We serve food and pizza." Even their scientifically challenged and grammatically awkward slogan makes them sound shady.
And by the way, enzymes ARE proteins. Their slogan is like saying, "We serve food and pizza." Even their scientifically challenged and grammatically awkward slogan makes them sound shady.
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I look at this like I was a homicide detective...
Peyton Manning and Ashley Manning were at the murder scene(Guyer Clinic)
Peyton Manning had motive(Neck Surgery)
The murder weapon was shipped to the Manning residence, addressed to Ashley Manning. (Both had access to the HGH)
Okay if I'm the DA I don't have enough to indict Manning but he is definitely on my don't leave town list. ESPN and other media outlets obviously have an agenda to sink the story... As said before if I'm the detective I have my man and just need to build my case!
Peyton Manning and Ashley Manning were at the murder scene(Guyer Clinic)
Peyton Manning had motive(Neck Surgery)
The murder weapon was shipped to the Manning residence, addressed to Ashley Manning. (Both had access to the HGH)
Okay if I'm the DA I don't have enough to indict Manning but he is definitely on my don't leave town list. ESPN and other media outlets obviously have an agenda to sink the story... As said before if I'm the detective I have my man and just need to build my case!
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"But what to make of Sly? In the end, this story hinges on his credibility."
I'd say right about now he has absolutely no credibility.
I'd say right about now he has absolutely no credibility.
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I still fail to see how this is a REAL problem. The fundamentals of sport remain the same. If a player or players wants or needs to seek an advantage to be the better athlete, then why not. You still have to learn to play the sport.
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the problem is that if it makes you a better player, then in order to keep up, other players will have to take it also, even if it is detrimental to your health.
Regardless of whether Ashley Manning may have used the HGH to inhance IVF or to look younger, does it really matter to the public? Frankly, Peyton Manning is probably the smartest quarterback playing. Do you think that he would have the drug sent to his WIFE in an effort to conceal his usage?? Somehow I believe someone cheating would be a bit more cunning in his deception. I believe he is innocent.
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Right now his wife's HIPPA protection is what is keeping the NFL from linking Manning to HGH. Yes I believe he would have it sent to his wife. If he were innocent do you think his wife's medical privacy concerns would be worth giving up his multi million dollar public image and his entry into the hall of fame? Lets see Ashley's medical records and explanation for using HGH. Or even have a reliable third party review of Ashley records to verify they are valid without disclosing details. We need a few key football players to stand up to the drug culture in the NFL, get real testing that would clean up the NFL and allow a drug free player to compete. Looks like Manning is not the standup guy that I was hoping for. Maybe the next player that gets implicated will be the guy I am looking for that will out the NFL drug culture.
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A really smart person would make sure no banned drugs were sent to his home addressed to anyone there. I don't think he's as smart as some people make him out to be. He's smart enough to outwit defenses and make Papa John commercials and buy pizza franchises in a state that just legalized pot, but maybe not so smart when he hires a cannon to kill a mosquito (hail Confuscious.)
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The author is repeating unsubstantiated accusations by one main person,
innuedo, association can tarnish anyone's reputation. This reporter appears
to repeat these accusations without verifying. Is that not what a good reporter
is suppose to do. Al Jazeera did not get a second source so you are compounding the poor journalism
innuedo, association can tarnish anyone's reputation. This reporter appears
to repeat these accusations without verifying. Is that not what a good reporter
is suppose to do. Al Jazeera did not get a second source so you are compounding the poor journalism
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Great reporting, Michael. Sounds like there's some fire to this smoke. However, I think we should add two glaring things to the analysis, both of which might be worth follow-ups on:
1. On the original documentary, Taylor Teagarden, an active major-league baseball player, literally walks in on-camera to Sly's house and openly discusses the drug regimen. That moment was clearly unscripted and really boosted the odds of "Sly is telling the truth to Collins" in my mind.
2. Sly clearly has a tremendous motive to disown any admissions here that might implicate him in actual crimes (not just sports-crimes), such as distribution of controlled substances. Tony Bosch got 4 years in the hoosegow, let's not forget. So a big question here is, does this case arouse the interest of the FBI or local DAs, or were they sufficiently burned by the lack of big fish in BALCO and Biogenesis that they're not interested? Where is the commentary from prosecutors' offices as to whether they are or are not looking into possible misdeeds? They'll answer if the NYT comes calling, that's for sure.
Best of luck Michael!
1. On the original documentary, Taylor Teagarden, an active major-league baseball player, literally walks in on-camera to Sly's house and openly discusses the drug regimen. That moment was clearly unscripted and really boosted the odds of "Sly is telling the truth to Collins" in my mind.
2. Sly clearly has a tremendous motive to disown any admissions here that might implicate him in actual crimes (not just sports-crimes), such as distribution of controlled substances. Tony Bosch got 4 years in the hoosegow, let's not forget. So a big question here is, does this case arouse the interest of the FBI or local DAs, or were they sufficiently burned by the lack of big fish in BALCO and Biogenesis that they're not interested? Where is the commentary from prosecutors' offices as to whether they are or are not looking into possible misdeeds? They'll answer if the NYT comes calling, that's for sure.
Best of luck Michael!
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Sly may be in bigger trouble than Bosch. After all Sly is a licensed pharmacist with the training and knowledge and responsibility to patients that entails...
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Come on Times, where's the same accusatory and "guilty before innocent" coverage you gave to Tom Brady?
Fair is fair, so let's see the character attacks on Peyton Manning, et al!
Fair is fair, so let's see the character attacks on Peyton Manning, et al!
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Nothing like a good soap opera !
Those who are shocked (as Claude Rains exclaimed to Humphrey Bogart) and disillusioned are those who labored under illusions. M.L.B. and the N.F.L. are profit-making cartels, pure and simple, though pure they are not. If you insist on turning their employees into personal idols, feel free, but understand you do so at your own risk.
In the meantime, put Bonds and Clemens in the Hall of Fame where they belong and save consternation and disillusionment for your local pedophile cleric who, unlike pro athletes, have "character role model" as part to their job description.
Those who are shocked (as Claude Rains exclaimed to Humphrey Bogart) and disillusioned are those who labored under illusions. M.L.B. and the N.F.L. are profit-making cartels, pure and simple, though pure they are not. If you insist on turning their employees into personal idols, feel free, but understand you do so at your own risk.
In the meantime, put Bonds and Clemens in the Hall of Fame where they belong and save consternation and disillusionment for your local pedophile cleric who, unlike pro athletes, have "character role model" as part to their job description.
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Pro football dirty? What a surprise...
Someone mentioned getting a law passed that would require teams to disclose prescription drugs used by players. That would be interesting.
So nothing but bad news from the NFL, and they know it. Let's see how greedy they are willing to be in letting teams move to get a better deal from taxpayers next week. I think the league's high water mark has passed. Yea!
Someone mentioned getting a law passed that would require teams to disclose prescription drugs used by players. That would be interesting.
So nothing but bad news from the NFL, and they know it. Let's see how greedy they are willing to be in letting teams move to get a better deal from taxpayers next week. I think the league's high water mark has passed. Yea!
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I think the point being missed is the source of this news, Al-Jazeera is owned by the government of Qatar and it is a propaganda outlet for Qatari foreign policy. The ruling despotic Emir doesn't allow for a free press in his own country and thinks he can buy legitimacy abroad. He fosters an agenda that supports a political Islamic propaganda promoting the Muslim Brotherhood, pro-Sunni bias and being pro Sharia law. It is a sounding board for terrorists such as Chechen separatists and Hamas. Al-Jazeera Arabic Show Sharia and Life has an estimated audience of 60 million worldwide and stars a Muslim preacher Yusuf-al-Qaradawi. He espouses hateful views towards Jews and non-Muslims whom he considers the enemy of God.
All this being said their news isn't unbiased but fosters the aspirations and political agenda of their rulers and should be suspect.
All this being said their news isn't unbiased but fosters the aspirations and political agenda of their rulers and should be suspect.
Well you might consider the factors outlined if the story concerned politics in the Middle East (though truth be told there are plenty of biases in the American media--not least of which concern terrorism). But this is SPORTS we are discussing. And if there is any truth to what they have uncovered (which I believe there is, even if Sly is not a uniformly truth-telling character), the US media has not exactly been unbiased in its reaction...witness the Jim Nantz characterization of the Manning story as non-news.
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Also if Elementz Nutrition actually dissolved last week, then why are they still tweeting as of yesterday?
https://twitter.com/ElementzPro/status/684132639180210180
https://twitter.com/ElementzPro/status/684132639180210180
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Put Mr. Sly up in court and have him state his position under oath. I think that will determine, one way or the other, when he lied and what he lied about.
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Right, because no one has ever lied in court while under oath.
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Is there some substance that isn't on the NFL pharmacists formulary? I thought the only drugs illegal in football were recreational.
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Oh what a tangled web we weave....
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alarming .... we, as a nation are besotted with drugs and alcohol, painkillers, beauty enhancers, etc etc
so what is news about this ???
so what is news about this ???
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After Alex Rodriguez, Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones, Ryan Braun, Mark McGwire, and on and on, I cannot believe that so many people commenting here are still so naive to believe that athletes' denials which it is obvious that they cheat when they can get away with it and lie through teeth. In Braun and Armstrong's cases, they destroy the lives of people who know the truth.
As far as I am concerned, the most horrifying part of this HGH scandal is that Derek Jeter is involved in some capacity. I am a huge fan of his and if he cheated, then I am done with professional sports.
As far as I am concerned, the most horrifying part of this HGH scandal is that Derek Jeter is involved in some capacity. I am a huge fan of his and if he cheated, then I am done with professional sports.
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Apparently even hardened cynicism takes a holiday when it comes to Jeter.
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The Captain? Say it isn't so!
Look, no one has presented any evidence that Derek Jeter was taking anything illegal to enhance and elongate his baseball career.
But let's be absolutely clear. If you were at the end of a career where you made hundreds of millions of dollars in player salaries alone, what would you do if you thought you could get away with it?
With so much money involved, it's hard to imagine how any of us wouldn't at least consider using, as the Rolling Stones put it, "mother's little helper," to jump start the healing process.
It just stands to reason.
Look, no one has presented any evidence that Derek Jeter was taking anything illegal to enhance and elongate his baseball career.
But let's be absolutely clear. If you were at the end of a career where you made hundreds of millions of dollars in player salaries alone, what would you do if you thought you could get away with it?
With so much money involved, it's hard to imagine how any of us wouldn't at least consider using, as the Rolling Stones put it, "mother's little helper," to jump start the healing process.
It just stands to reason.
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Might Sly have recanted due to potential consequences of violating HIPAA? As I understand it, he worked for the doctor who prescribed HGH for Ashley Manning. As it was her prescription, without actual evidence that Peyton was using it, that qualfies as a violation of medical privacy, no?
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HIPAA is the least of his worries if he's investigated for illegal distribution of controlled substances. Sly's worst-case scenario is some subset of this:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/tony-bosch-surrender...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/tony-bosch-surrender...
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If a person is an athlete they want to be more careful about posing with any one who has been introduced to them as connected with even over the counter drugs of any kind. And sports enhancing concoctions in particular.
Am also curious how many athletes take supplements to labs to have them checked out. What do team owners, coaches etc require?
Am also curious how many athletes take supplements to labs to have them checked out. What do team owners, coaches etc require?
I was in South Beach a few years ago having lunch at a cramped cafe and listening to the conversation a man and woman just out of the gym, were having. Basically the man, 50 or so, was complaining that he was looking too old to pick up the SoBe women. His friend told him to basically accept the fact that he needed to start taking HGH to stay competitive in the local dating scene. "Just go see my doctor already" she told him. And that wasn't the only time I heard people speaking about it while I was there.
I don't live in a community where people walk around barely clothed like Flordia and maybe if I did live there I'd succumb to the pressures of having to looked young and ripped. Let's face it, 99% of MBL players are all about flash, looking good and chasing young women. Of course people that vain are going to use it.
I'm not surprised so many people use steroids I'm more surprised how naive I once was about it.
I don't live in a community where people walk around barely clothed like Flordia and maybe if I did live there I'd succumb to the pressures of having to looked young and ripped. Let's face it, 99% of MBL players are all about flash, looking good and chasing young women. Of course people that vain are going to use it.
I'm not surprised so many people use steroids I'm more surprised how naive I once was about it.
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If Ryan Zimmerman is hooked up with these folks, then he should get his money back. He missed most of last season.
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I'm confused. Is manning a client of Elimentz?
Based off this article, no. All the comments seem to be focused on Manning. However, Howard, Neal and Keller are.
I do not think so. Sly's connection to Manning came through his brief employment at at the Guyer Institute.
These athletes are put on a pedestal and worshiped, and when they are shown to be human, its just such a shock that they would pursue an edge that crosses the line, but reaps them millions. Please.
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Why should we care? These, including college football, are not sports any more than the gladiatorial contests in Rome were. They are money-making, entertainment enterprises so why not just let the players do what they want to become the best entertainers. Explain the risks to them at the outset, then let them make their own decision and live with the consequences.
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Peyton Manning seems like a great guy, but does anybody believe that a professional athlete who has earned hundreds of millions of dollars, would seek treatment at an anti aging clinic in Indianapolis. Chicago, less than 200 miles away has some of the finest hospitals in the world, yet Peyton picked the Guyer Institute of Molecular medicine?? We know Peyton's wife's medical records are private, but Peyton hasn't denied that she received HGH shipments from the same Institute. Does anybody want to buy a bridge?
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I believe only his wife could actually deny the statements. He doesn't need to deny statements about his wife. Also she has a right to medical privacy. If someone accused my significant other, it would be up to the person making the accusation to submit hard evidence instead of hearsay.
For example, if someone said your wife was cheating on you, wouldn't you want hard evidence not someone's word?
For example, if someone said your wife was cheating on you, wouldn't you want hard evidence not someone's word?
"Peyton Manning seems like a great guy, but does anybody believe that a professional athlete who has earned hundreds of millions of dollars, would seek treatment at an anti aging clinic in Indianapolis."
Why not? Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, among others. all used back alley joints and shady characters as go betweens.
Why not? Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, among others. all used back alley joints and shady characters as go betweens.
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Of course Sly claims to have been making idle boasts. His livelihood depends upon it! I find his claims made when he thought they were private to be much more credible. I am amazed that anyone would credit his subsequent denials. Given Sly's connection with the athletes he mentioned, it's clear he wasn't just randomly throwing names out there.
The general media and the NFL's reaction to this doping scandal demonstrate conclusively that the DeflateGate hysteria was the product of biased haters, not objective reporters. It was 15 degrees out this morning, and I'm not blaming Tom Brady for my car telling me the air pressure in my tires was low.
The general media and the NFL's reaction to this doping scandal demonstrate conclusively that the DeflateGate hysteria was the product of biased haters, not objective reporters. It was 15 degrees out this morning, and I'm not blaming Tom Brady for my car telling me the air pressure in my tires was low.
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Ari Fleischer? What could possibly go wrong with having him as your spokesman? Has he ever been tied to an organization that consistently lied or mislead the American People? (Lotta question marks, gotta work on that.)
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Hello Ari; goodbye Peyton.
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Ari , continuing to do the Lords work, what a sleaze bag.I expect to see him, on late night TV pushing reverse mortgages or diet supplements.
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Replace them with exclamation points.
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So, you're saying, there might have been wrongdoing. Or Not.
One thing is true. If you want to ban drugs and doping in sports, you must have a level playing field. Athletes who DONT dope cannot be asked to compete against athletes who do and they shouldnt be the ones to turn in their colleagues either. Too much money involved both legally and illegally (gambling) to just believe we're going to have a bunch of boy scouts playing for the good of the game and for fun. Either get serious about enforcement at all levels or let the NFL and MLB be just another WWF where everybody knows its not real.
One thing is true. If you want to ban drugs and doping in sports, you must have a level playing field. Athletes who DONT dope cannot be asked to compete against athletes who do and they shouldnt be the ones to turn in their colleagues either. Too much money involved both legally and illegally (gambling) to just believe we're going to have a bunch of boy scouts playing for the good of the game and for fun. Either get serious about enforcement at all levels or let the NFL and MLB be just another WWF where everybody knows its not real.
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To paraphrase an old adage: if it walks like an over-muscular, come-back-from-the-end-of-sports-career HGH-user and talks like an over-muscular, come-back-from-the-end-of-sports-career HGH-user then it probably is an HGH-user.
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I wonder if possibly Sly received megabucks to take back his story. I mean megamegabucks.
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I was leaning towards believing Peyton Manning until you told me he hired Ari Fleischer. If I needed an expert in blithely defending the indefensible and non-credible, that's precisely who I would hire. I really do hope Manning's innocent, but Fleisher's presence usually makes it harder to ascertain the truth.
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Seeing Ari Fleisher's name immediately brought back my reaction yesterday when I saw the Gatestone Institute advertised as a non partisan think tank that has as its head John Bolton. What planet am I on?
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Agreed, ari was the spin master for bush 43. He is a very highly paid propaganda guy, manning psychology use of him raises a red flag
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Fleischer is currently a media consultant for the NFL so it makes sense Manning would hire him.
Pro football and baseball are incredibly dirty sports not because there are dirty athletes surrounded by dubious trainers and pharmacists, but because the governing bodies have no significant incentive to clean up the sport. The teams demand that the players get bigger and stronger, but they know they cannot supply the dope themselves. The risk of a player blowing their cover is too great. So they leave it up to the players to figure things out. The Al Jazeera report just showed the type of shady market that has developed around the players who are just figuring it out.
Cycling and track has USADA, but baseball and football essentially police themselves. And that's why we are not going to see any Lance Armstrong type blow up happening in these sports. No one has the cover to bust any of these players. The NFL and MLB teams certainly don't want to see it happen.
Cycling and track has USADA, but baseball and football essentially police themselves. And that's why we are not going to see any Lance Armstrong type blow up happening in these sports. No one has the cover to bust any of these players. The NFL and MLB teams certainly don't want to see it happen.
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Although cycling and track have outside doping police, they haven't effectively curbed the amount of doping in the sports. I don't know how doping levels compare to the MLB and NFL; no one really knows. But I'm not convinced that the absence or presence of an external doping control agency is a factor.
If anything, WADA distracts from the battle against doping by punishing small individual infractions (Andreea Raducan stripped of her gold medal for taking Sudafed) but failing to curb large scale sophisticated doping programs.
WADA cares more about the perception of efficacy, so they go after the low hanging fruit--the athlete who took a painkiller after a root canal or who was away from home when the testers knocked.
Ever notice that big doping scandals have usually been uncovered by insiders rather than WADA?
If anything, WADA distracts from the battle against doping by punishing small individual infractions (Andreea Raducan stripped of her gold medal for taking Sudafed) but failing to curb large scale sophisticated doping programs.
WADA cares more about the perception of efficacy, so they go after the low hanging fruit--the athlete who took a painkiller after a root canal or who was away from home when the testers knocked.
Ever notice that big doping scandals have usually been uncovered by insiders rather than WADA?
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I'm not sure if you follow cycling, but anyone who does knows the power readings have come down dramatically in the wake of Armstrong getting busted by USADA and after the shake up at UCI.
The Armstrong situation was not uncovered by an insider, but was blown open by Travis Tygart's report for USADA. Insiders know about it, but any of those who tried to say anything were shut down by Armstrong, his lawyers and his cronies at UCI.
So an independent agency is necessary and can work. I am not a fan of WADA and did not mention them in my original post. They are not adequately independent and not funded effectively, but they could be a vehicle for undertaking this effort rather than relying on weak insiders.
I do not think either cycling or track are anywhere near clean, but they are not nearly as dirty as they were in the '90s. Baseball became a little cleaner over the last 10 years, but has a lot of room for improvement. Football is a joke. So is soccer.
The Armstrong situation was not uncovered by an insider, but was blown open by Travis Tygart's report for USADA. Insiders know about it, but any of those who tried to say anything were shut down by Armstrong, his lawyers and his cronies at UCI.
So an independent agency is necessary and can work. I am not a fan of WADA and did not mention them in my original post. They are not adequately independent and not funded effectively, but they could be a vehicle for undertaking this effort rather than relying on weak insiders.
I do not think either cycling or track are anywhere near clean, but they are not nearly as dirty as they were in the '90s. Baseball became a little cleaner over the last 10 years, but has a lot of room for improvement. Football is a joke. So is soccer.
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In defense of WADA, WADA was not even formed until November 10, 1999 and were not a functioning body until 2002. You can blame the IOC for Andreea Raducan's 2000 loss of a gold medal but not WADA. I would blame Andreea's doctor for this disqualification. WADA did fund the Independent Commission's investigation of Russia which led to Russia Track and Field being suspended and presently ineligible for the 2016 Olympics. The Independent Commission investigation also led to indictment against former IAAF president Lamine Diack. I do not call these actions "distractions" in the battle against doping. The second half of the Commission's investigation is yet to be released. It should be noted that the Independent Commission recommends WADA develop and implement a whistleblower assistance and protection policy. As you state most doping scandals are uncovered by insiders (whistleblower). I see WADA as the only entity working toward reducing the stranglehold that doping has on sports world wide.
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Thanks for sharing such an informative information.
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The players "doth protest too much methinks"=another sports drugging cover up in action.
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Mr. Powell is pulling together strings and putting up good questions that should not be ignored. It took 12 or 13 years to prove Lance was cheating. All those authorities and reporters but a very few were useless frauds. But in all those years between suspicion and proof a lot of people made a lot of money. Roger Goodell, the 40 plus million Commissioner and the NFL gravy train and all of Peyton's sponsors have a vested interest in not doing anything. Same for the fans. America is as screwed up as Rome's last days. Football is our church and the gladiators are our saints. I am surrounded by people addicted to our NFL team and all they care about is how they are doing and whether they might win the Superbowl. Good luck Mr. Powell getting anybody to care. It's Chinatown. And I don't think people in America can afford to recognize the truth. But the coming election season might surprise us all. We are in the Arena.
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Most anyone in competitive cycling knew Lance was cheating the whole time, most cyclists didn't care, no american journalist wanted listen.
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I do believe some cyclists cared but when they reported what they saw and knew the media concealed it. Armstrong's entourage obviously had paid off a lot of people to shut up.
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There could only be one reason why they didn't care.
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Kudos to Michael Powell for doing what other mainstream media outlets have avoided: follow-up on the reporting of the Al Jazeera documentary. When Lance Armstrong was well and truly exposed as a doper in Europe his malfeasance was mostly ignored in the US. Hopefully we won't have a repeat with this one.
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Yes, the ESPN talking heads and "pundits" like Boomer Esiason were all "who would listen to Al Jazerra, they're anti-American" -- it was such an easy out for a bunch of fan boys desperate to look the other way and protect Peyton. The genuflecting at his ability to hand off the ball on Sunday was nauseating. There is no way that the sports media wants to deal with a scandal around Peyton.
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Jeter, the Holy Grail. It'll take an intrepid TMZ reporter to drill down on this one even further.
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Next thing you know we'll be hearing about Cal Ripken, Jr. doing something illegal. Say it ain't so....
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I hope this story doesn't hing on Sly's credibility. At this point he has none left. If Al Jazeera has other information to substantiate what he initially claimed, like orders, shipping records, etc., they'd be well advised to share them.
I don't doubt that there is a lot of hidden HGH usage in the NFL. But it seems a bit unfair to stand by an accusation at this point without a bit more evidence.
I don't doubt that there is a lot of hidden HGH usage in the NFL. But it seems a bit unfair to stand by an accusation at this point without a bit more evidence.
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Was Sly really lying though? He was speaking when he believed what he was saying was a private conversation and did not know he was being video-taped. Surely he was facing a career ending defamation lawsuit if he did not recant his words. Why would he say what he said that would clearly result in the end of the business of Elementz Nutrition which in fact it did?
To think NFL players are not doping regularly is absurd. There is too much at stake in money for players not to be doping. Manning fits the profile of a person who would have a motive to use HGH. His medical condition after his broken neck is "evidence" of circumstances that could give rise to proving a motive to dope. The evidence that he did however is sorely lacking.
To think NFL players are not doping regularly is absurd. There is too much at stake in money for players not to be doping. Manning fits the profile of a person who would have a motive to use HGH. His medical condition after his broken neck is "evidence" of circumstances that could give rise to proving a motive to dope. The evidence that he did however is sorely lacking.
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Deborah Davies, while a guest on CNN's "Reliable Sources" Sunday morning, said Charles David Sly was not al-Jazeera's only source who alleged Peyton's wife, Ashley, received multiple shipments of HGH from The Guyer Institute in Indianapolis
My problem is Al Jazeera, the Gulf mouthpiece. I have followed Al Jazeera for years when it was on the internet and free. They always had a bias towards the Gulf State's view of the world. They have not written anything positive about the U.S. and most of their articles which I get my email are damning one part or another of the U.S. It is not the rumor, it is the source, Al Jazeera which bothers me.
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Uhh, how many articles have you seen in US media which are positive about China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, etc.? Does that bother you too? Somehow I wonder if you've even noticed what I'm talking about....
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I've followed Al-Jazeera for years and found their reporting to be generally accurate and gruesome sometimes. They are far more honest than any US newspaper. And have you analyzed or counted the positive news stories in the US media about China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, etc?
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@Dick
Maybe you should get your news from Fox. Ari Fleischer, a mouthpiece for the criminal administration run by W, is not be trusted, obviously.
Maybe you should get your news from Fox. Ari Fleischer, a mouthpiece for the criminal administration run by W, is not be trusted, obviously.
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Mr. Powell, at the end of his otherwise insightful article, notes that, "In the end, this story hinges on [Charles Sly's] credibility."
As it pertains to Peyton Manning (and I assume that's what Mr. Powell means, at least principally, by "this story"), that statement is false. What Sly said has not been disputed by Manning and, apparently, has been confirmed by a second, unnamed source that Al Jazeera has in its pocket.
Here are the facts (either confirmed or undisputed) as we currently know them.
1. Manning, recovering from multiple neck surgeries, received regular treatment from the Guyer Clinic in 2011 (confirmed by Manning).
2. Manning's wife, Ashley, received repeated shipments of HGH from the Guyer Clinic in 2011 (undisputed by Manning).
That is all that Al Jazeera reported of relevance and all that people should be focused on. (Whether Sly worked at the Guyer Clinic in 2011, which Al Jazeera confirmed, is ultimately irrelevant.) Given those two facts, the question becomes precisely what Deborah Davies said it is: "Does Ashley Manning suffer from one of the three extremely rare conditions for which HGH is legal in the United States?" If not, the inference that the shipments were for Peyton's use is a fair one--albeit a still rebuttable one (for example, HGH can be used to enhance fertility, and the Mannings had twins in 2011).
As it pertains to Peyton Manning (and I assume that's what Mr. Powell means, at least principally, by "this story"), that statement is false. What Sly said has not been disputed by Manning and, apparently, has been confirmed by a second, unnamed source that Al Jazeera has in its pocket.
Here are the facts (either confirmed or undisputed) as we currently know them.
1. Manning, recovering from multiple neck surgeries, received regular treatment from the Guyer Clinic in 2011 (confirmed by Manning).
2. Manning's wife, Ashley, received repeated shipments of HGH from the Guyer Clinic in 2011 (undisputed by Manning).
That is all that Al Jazeera reported of relevance and all that people should be focused on. (Whether Sly worked at the Guyer Clinic in 2011, which Al Jazeera confirmed, is ultimately irrelevant.) Given those two facts, the question becomes precisely what Deborah Davies said it is: "Does Ashley Manning suffer from one of the three extremely rare conditions for which HGH is legal in the United States?" If not, the inference that the shipments were for Peyton's use is a fair one--albeit a still rebuttable one (for example, HGH can be used to enhance fertility, and the Mannings had twins in 2011).
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Excellent clarification and correction. Powell is to be commended for continuing to cover this.
Yes, HGH can be a component of fertility management but a woman or a couple with such problems would normally consult with and cared for by fertility specialists, not the Guyer Clinic, or have their HGH deliver from there by mail!
Yes, HGH can be a component of fertility management but a woman or a couple with such problems would normally consult with and cared for by fertility specialists, not the Guyer Clinic, or have their HGH deliver from there by mail!
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One more for your list:
3: The Mannings welcomed twins in March of 2011.
Even a pre-term pregnancy would put conception in mid 2010, not 2011. So Ashley Manning using HGH in 2011 doesn't make sense for fertility enhancement, at least with respect to those twins.
3: The Mannings welcomed twins in March of 2011.
Even a pre-term pregnancy would put conception in mid 2010, not 2011. So Ashley Manning using HGH in 2011 doesn't make sense for fertility enhancement, at least with respect to those twins.
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Thanks for clarifying. I, too, think the fertility justification is weak, but I believe in the right to rebut accusations, so I was just putting it out there as an example.
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And what about money? Isn't money and all that it buys in nutrition, training, time, etc, a field tilting drug?