One thing is sure and that is Beckham didn't lose the game. Butler made a heads-up play because he knew the rule. Beckham didn't drop it, Butler stripped it, and if you want to complain about the rule you can, but nobody has even remotely suggested that if you apply the rule it was an incomplete pass. If somebody lost the game for the Giants it was Manning, who did his best imitation of Pete Carroll calling a pass play virtually on the goal line when all he had to do was run down the clock, and if he didn't score, kick a field goal and leave Brady seconds instead of a minute and a half. Two other players made enormous goofs that pretty much even out: Collins when he dropped the interception, and Brady when he threw one on the goal line (Pete Carroll must be chortling watching the tape of this game).
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I don't think clock management on yesterday's final Giants'drive was the issue it was in the season opener. Had the Giants run on 1st down, the clock would have stopped for the 2 minute warning. The clock read 2:01 after the pass to Beckham. So had the Giants run on 2nd down, again the clock would have stopped. The defense did at least show up for the Patriots final drive, something they failed to do against the Cowboys.
The first five paragraphs of this story illustrate why the Giants are what they are, it's all loser talk. What if? What if Brady didn't fumble? What if Brady didn't throw the pick at the Giants goal line? What if the Queen had testicles? She'd be the King. Loser talk plain and simple.
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What if, what if....
...the Giants had drafted Tom Brady in the fifth round???
...the Giants had drafted Tom Brady in the fifth round???
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You Giants' fans are forgetting that Tom gifted you that interception down at the goal line as we should've scored a TD making the score gap much wider. It shouldn't have been that close.
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1) what if Julian Edelman didn't get injured in the first quarter? 2)what if the referees didn't call out two Pass Interferences against the Patriots that were clearly not interferences 3)what if the referee didn't take away a Patriots' TD? 4) what if Tom Brady didn't throw an interception that could have been another TD? What ifs????
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Officiating remains awful for America's biggest sport. Catch rules, pass interference missed or called when nothing happened , capricious holding, all kinds of drive killing or score negating rubbish. Belichik was right when he said ALL calls should be reviewable.
CATCH ( NFL rules)
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 1: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the ball has touched the ground.
Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains
alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-3).
Note 1: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the ball has touched the ground.
Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains
alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
To add injury to insult, even sadder news came in today. Victor Cruz's doctors have finally decided he needs surgery on the calf.. Out for the year. After missing the better part of two seasons while collecting a big salary, management is probably going to take a close look at Victor going forward. The Beckham/Cruz combo remains a dream.
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A great game that could have gone either way, I will say two things, scanning the other games over the recent weeks, there is a common theme across the league of the officiating playing far too large a role in close contests, and the second is that as a Patriots fan I fear a Giants rematch far more than I fear a showdown with Carolina or any other AFC team...
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Put a fork in ‘em: they won.
Also a Patriot, I don’t so much FEAR a re-match with the Gints; I EXPECT it.
If these El Gigantos continue to play anywhere near that well the rest of the way, they are going there and I only hope Me Pats can join the pahty.
Also a Patriot, I don’t so much FEAR a re-match with the Gints; I EXPECT it.
If these El Gigantos continue to play anywhere near that well the rest of the way, they are going there and I only hope Me Pats can join the pahty.
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Totally agree on both points, especially as a Patriots fan being more concerned about a game against the Giants than Carolina, but also the officials' calls. Sorry Giants fans, but the replay of the in-completion in the end zone was clear, although it looked like a completion in real-time. Despite the officiating, which had one defensive pass interference call go strategically badly against NE when the defender did not even touch the intended receiver after viewing the replay, the game was one of the best we will likely see.
Regardless of the outcome, the question for me is, "When it comes to the Patriots, what does Tom Coughlin know that no other NFL coach seems to know?" Why is he and no other NFL coach able to time and again devise game plans that enable the middle of the pack Giants to match the "elite" Pats? If someone can educate me on this one I would be most grateful. Thanks.
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It might have something to do with the fact that he and Bill Belicheck spent their formative years in the Giants organization.
OBJ started to celebrate too early. If he'd kept the bull clutched to his body for another second it wouldn't have been knocked out. He'll learn, but that was a painful lesson. (Though I agree with those who think the current rule is stupid.)
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Giant fans fail to remember that after the 2007 SB they were one and done in the playoffs and after the 2011 SB they didn't even make the playoffs. Giants are a great organization but just not as successful as the Pats are in the 21st Century. The Giants were lucky in those SB's and yesterday was an example on how luck was on are side this time!
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Even with a review, it was clear that Beckham had control and was stripped beyond the plane of the goal line. That said, why was he holding the ball out there like a loaf of bread? Catch it and pull in in, not push it out. Horrible call. Horrible ball protection.
premature celebration perhaps considering he figured he had scored, will know for next time
Given that the Giants have been past recipients of huge wins resulting from unlikely plays, they should just accept that the dice will occasionally roll the other way. Such are the hazards of a close game.
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I am writing this for The New York Football Giants-Coaches, Players and Fans:
DON'T EVER LOSE HEART-Everything is going beautifully!
This team is The Team that will win Superbowl 50...!!
2007 was a miracle season...and the miracle ain't over yet...!!
If you haven't noticed the magical properties of this season...Are you watching closely?
FOR EXAMPLE: In keeping with the 2007 season, The Giants didn't beat the Patriots in the regular season-they went the distance with them to show them they could. And show them they did. THEN and NOW. Both times with an UNDEFEATED Patriots team. Yeah, try and call that a coincidence... This team may not win every game-but they pass every test necessary for team advancement. Their test, in accordance with the celestial phenomena of the 2007 season, was to go the distance with an undefeated Patriots team-but not beat them. The Giants passed with flying colors! Odell Beckham Jr proved, once again, that he has the uncanny ability of making the right play at the right time. The Giants were supposed to lose that game...in order to WIN Superbowl 50.
But I'm really writing this for the New York Giants faithful who have been paying close attention and know EXACTLY what I'm talking about...Isn't it AMAZING to watch this all come together?!
DON'T EVER LOSE HEART-Everything is going beautifully!
This team is The Team that will win Superbowl 50...!!
2007 was a miracle season...and the miracle ain't over yet...!!
If you haven't noticed the magical properties of this season...Are you watching closely?
FOR EXAMPLE: In keeping with the 2007 season, The Giants didn't beat the Patriots in the regular season-they went the distance with them to show them they could. And show them they did. THEN and NOW. Both times with an UNDEFEATED Patriots team. Yeah, try and call that a coincidence... This team may not win every game-but they pass every test necessary for team advancement. Their test, in accordance with the celestial phenomena of the 2007 season, was to go the distance with an undefeated Patriots team-but not beat them. The Giants passed with flying colors! Odell Beckham Jr proved, once again, that he has the uncanny ability of making the right play at the right time. The Giants were supposed to lose that game...in order to WIN Superbowl 50.
But I'm really writing this for the New York Giants faithful who have been paying close attention and know EXACTLY what I'm talking about...Isn't it AMAZING to watch this all come together?!
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I had resigned myself to accepting the fact that the Giants are simply the Pats' daddy when New England found a way to pull the game out.
Prior Pats losses to the Giants are so deeply burned into the cortex that plays readily take on a haunting resemblance. I saw plays that reminded me of the Tyree catch and the Manningham catch. Collins' failure to complete the interception reminded me of Asante Samuel allowing Eli's sideline floater to go through his gloved hands just prior to the Tyree catch.
One significant part of the result from my perspective is that the Giants are now 5-5 instead of 6-4, and their chances of winning the division diminished just a wee bit. 8-8 may well win the NFC East the way things are going. I'm counting on Philly or Washington (?!) to win the division so that the Giants don't have the opportunity to once again become the unstoppable magic beasts of the postseason. If the Giants and Pats were to ever meet in the postseason again, I literally would not be able to watch.
All in all, this was not one of Ed Hochuli's better officiating efforts. And the scoring rules that allow a TD if the ballcarrier only maintains possession of the ball long enough to break the plane of the goal line but disallow a TD catch like Beckham's - well, those are absurd and need to be fixed ASAP.
Prior Pats losses to the Giants are so deeply burned into the cortex that plays readily take on a haunting resemblance. I saw plays that reminded me of the Tyree catch and the Manningham catch. Collins' failure to complete the interception reminded me of Asante Samuel allowing Eli's sideline floater to go through his gloved hands just prior to the Tyree catch.
One significant part of the result from my perspective is that the Giants are now 5-5 instead of 6-4, and their chances of winning the division diminished just a wee bit. 8-8 may well win the NFC East the way things are going. I'm counting on Philly or Washington (?!) to win the division so that the Giants don't have the opportunity to once again become the unstoppable magic beasts of the postseason. If the Giants and Pats were to ever meet in the postseason again, I literally would not be able to watch.
All in all, this was not one of Ed Hochuli's better officiating efforts. And the scoring rules that allow a TD if the ballcarrier only maintains possession of the ball long enough to break the plane of the goal line but disallow a TD catch like Beckham's - well, those are absurd and need to be fixed ASAP.
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Three running plays and a field goal give NE the ball with about 1:20 to go.
And maybe a running play might have scored.
Instead 2 passes and a QB "sweep" gave NE the ball with 1:50 left.
30 seconds that meant the ballgame.
The second time this season (Dallas) that VERY POOR clock management has lost the Giants a game they should have won.
And maybe a running play might have scored.
Instead 2 passes and a QB "sweep" gave NE the ball with 1:50 left.
30 seconds that meant the ballgame.
The second time this season (Dallas) that VERY POOR clock management has lost the Giants a game they should have won.
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Yes, two examples of the horrific clock management, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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The Giants once again squandered another lead in the last seconds of the 4th quarter. They need a time management coach! They should have won this one. The end zone catch rule is ludicrous, Beckham clearly caught the ball and had two feet down, yes he was showboating and should have had the ball tucked with two hands on it but come on! Glad they have a week off to think about it and hopefully get some people back from injuries. Wake up Giants!
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As we compile the list of the myriad ways the Giants gifted this game to the Pats, let's not overlook the fourth quarter Ninkovich sack Eli literally walked into which prevented the Giants from taking a two-score lead, the sack-fumble deep in New England territory in the second quarter, or the Giants' pathetic second-to-last drive in the 4th, consisting of three consecutive incompletions to OBJ. Other hallmarks of the Coughlin era: terrible clock management, a minimum of one special-teams dagger, and, finally, a waste of many good individual performances. The Giants may stagger into the playoffs, but this should be TC's last year...the good will he accrued via the Super Bowl wins has officially been squandered.
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The Giants really came to play, much to the surprise of the Patriots. But these Patriots are maybe one of the best teams in NFL history, as this game and the rest of the season will prove out. That the Patriots could defeat an inspired Giants defense, on the Giants' home turf, with Edelman out for three quarters, speaks to the incredible strength and depth they bring on the field each week. No reason for the Giants to feel bad; no one will beat the Patriots this year.
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2:06 to go, first and goal. Run the ball. 2-minute warning. If you do not score, it is second down, run the ball. If you do not score, about 1:50 left, Pats call time. Third down, run again, if you do not score, clock winds down to about 1:10. Kick field goal. Clock runs down to about 1:05. Coughlin's time management plan left them with 1:47. Pats kicked the field goal, right after the final, necessary completion, with about 5 seconds left. In short, with normal time management, and the same sequence of plays on the final drive, the clock runs out on the Pats long before they get close to field goal territory. [With less time, Brady would have had to look for longer completions; that means more time in the pocket and a possible sack. In that scenario, a sack pretty much ends the game.] We saw this movie in the opening Dallas game. There is simply no excuse for such poor time management. [For the record, I was screaming as much as soon as I saw Eli throw that pass.] Would Belichick have managed the clock the way the Giants did? Please. He would play the percentages. Brady might have pulled the game out anyway, but those missing 40 seconds would probably have made the difference. The Giants should be 7-3, and sailing into the playoffs. Instead, they are 5-5 and have left the door open for a team like the Eagles, who would have the tiebreaker if they beat NY in the last game of the season.
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A truly great game--no matter who won. As a Pats fan--I was frustrated with several bogus pass int. calls. especailly the one that set the Giants up for a FG on 3rd and 10. this is where instant replay is painful to watch! We see Butler running PAST the reciever--not even touching him! missed catch because he could not see the ball! the TV guys were as perplexed as I was--even though they were pumping the Giants the entire game! "well--I guess they are calling it close" was their tepid response to an obviously bad call.....too bad these are not open to review.
To the complainers--the game has never been better. this match was as good as it gets! the boring run-run-run-punt games of Ditka's age were sleep-inducing. and now they can get at least most of the calls right. what's wrong with that? Even Eli said he knew that the knocked away ball in the end zone was NOT a TD....
To the complainers--the game has never been better. this match was as good as it gets! the boring run-run-run-punt games of Ditka's age were sleep-inducing. and now they can get at least most of the calls right. what's wrong with that? Even Eli said he knew that the knocked away ball in the end zone was NOT a TD....
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I don't know whether Brady was "generally aware" of anything or not for sure, but I have read the documents including the judge's decision and I do not see the evidence or rationale for a suspension, just bias by the NFL and prejudice by fans of other teams. The idea of disparaging the reputation of someone who has accomplished so much is repulsive to me, particularly as most of his critics seem not to have read any of the important documents or the court's decision. I am a Pats fan because of what they have built there, their incredible workmanship and intensity in the most complex of sports. The last few minutes of this game were just one more example of it. But, that being said, I'm a fickle fan. If I like a different team in a given year I root for them, as I did for the Giants in both their most recent SB victories, though not b/c they are NY teams (I never understood that). So, because I'm offended for them by the rush to judgment, the irrational arguments of those who have not bothered to read any of the documents, I hope they are inspired by it and not only win the SB again, but go undefeated in doing so. But, I'd be happy with just another SB. Go ahead and hate me too.
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It seems unusual for you to be bringing up that deflated ball thing again. Not that it matters, I otherwise agree with you about Brady. He is the best there is.
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Why does Coughlin always sound is if he's just an observer of these Fourth Quarter time management miscues? Isn't he in charge? I can see it happening once, maybe even twice, but dammit, when is he going to take charge and stop it from happening?
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I agree. He comments as if he were a frustrated NY fan watching it on TV, instead of the guy who's in charge.
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I don't want to hang this on Coughlin, who's performed a minor miracle getting this year's crew as far as he has, but isn't he always touted as The Coach Who Demands They Do It The Right Way? Yet his players are showboating instead of simply making the safe play. I know that's not what he's teaching them. As a number of people noted, Collins made a ridiculous move trying to pull the ball in with one hand at his side. Catch the ball with both hands, cradle it, and go down softly. Same with Beckham -- grab it and go down to the ground with it. The prime directive -- never let an NFL rule take the ball away from you. Also, I agree on the clock "management." They just don't learn apparently.
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Brady was not as stellar as he usually is for obvious reasons, I guess (missing players). But he did pull it off in the last 2 minutes of the game. The Giants played better than expected but they appear to be a mediocre team. They do not have enough of quality players.
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Giants played a heck of a game. Brady took what the Giants gave him, which were open receivers over the middle, instead of clock-stopping out routes.
But it could have been more lopsided for the Pats, too. Blount's fourth quarter touchdown called back on a questionable holding penalty. Three pass interference calls against the Pats while the refs didn't seem to notice Beckham and company pushing off.
Refs were not perfect, but they seemed fair to both sides, even if they called a seemingly over tight game.
But it could have been more lopsided for the Pats, too. Blount's fourth quarter touchdown called back on a questionable holding penalty. Three pass interference calls against the Pats while the refs didn't seem to notice Beckham and company pushing off.
Refs were not perfect, but they seemed fair to both sides, even if they called a seemingly over tight game.
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Did you see the replay? The offensive lineman talked the defensive lineman by the legs so he couldn't make the play. The Giants were doing no more pushing off than the Pats do quick holds to interrupt the route of a receiver.
We need a "Giants Hopes Deflated" headline
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Sure it was close, and Pats fans should give a tip of the cap the way the Giants performed, but aside from the obvious absence of Edelman, the Pats were playing with a totally makeshift line where everyone was playing out of position,
and without their 1a defensive player Jamie Collins who is probably the most athletic line backer in the league due to some mystery disease. Eli would never have had the time he had to throw if a healthy Collins was playing.
and without their 1a defensive player Jamie Collins who is probably the most athletic line backer in the league due to some mystery disease. Eli would never have had the time he had to throw if a healthy Collins was playing.
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Please, Milliband -- you might as well also note that the Giants lost their center, Weston Richburg, and did not have Justin Pugh or Geoff Schwartz on their offensive line, not to mention Will Beatty. They also didn't have Victor Cruz, Prince Amukamara at cornerback, Jon Beason at linebacker, and on and on and on. The Giants have your team's number, bud. And were it not for the audible resulting in the touchdown/non-touchdown to Beckham, the Giants win this in the same fashion as the last three games. And just think what Patriot fans would be saying if their receiver's TD catch was overturned.
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...and if wishes were horses, beggars would ride
If, if, if. Once you start the If game, everyone can play! If the Giants had scored 28 points, they would have won the game.
All this reliance on video reviews, which, let's face it, is for the benefit of gamblers, has ruined the game. Nothing kills excitement quicker than a stoppage for review.
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As a Pats fan I can say the Giants played well. But this season Lady Luck is with the Pats.
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But with Edelman (and Lewis) out, that luck may be coming to an end...
The luck ended when Edelman broke his foot which was half way through yesterday's win.
The may or may not go undefeated, they may or may not make or win the Super Bowl. What is true is that they have a coach and quarterback who know how to win. When they had the ball on the 20 with a 2 point deficit and 2 minutes left, anyone who has watched this team knows they had a better than even chance of winning.
This knowing how to win is what the Yankees and the Celtics had for years - making them the most hated teams in their sports. But it is the kind of hate that gives their fans a nice warm feeling.
The may or may not go undefeated, they may or may not make or win the Super Bowl. What is true is that they have a coach and quarterback who know how to win. When they had the ball on the 20 with a 2 point deficit and 2 minutes left, anyone who has watched this team knows they had a better than even chance of winning.
This knowing how to win is what the Yankees and the Celtics had for years - making them the most hated teams in their sports. But it is the kind of hate that gives their fans a nice warm feeling.
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The new rule is stupid and inconsistently applied. But regardless, that's not why we lost. We lost because Tom Coughlin clearly didn't watch the superbowl last year as the Seattle Seahawks chose to pass on all 4 downs. I mean seriously, 2 minutes left with 1 timeout for the Pats and you can only run 6 seconds off the clock?! We deserved to lose. Just like we did a few weeks ago against the Cowboys in eerily similar fashion.
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Eli called an audible for the pass to Beckham. Should have ran it, but then again, TC and Eli are gunslingers, and that's how they stay in these types of games with the Patriots. Eli drove them 86 yards on that drive, don't forget. He's fearless and was determined to score a touchdown. It's hard to run that off.
What I don't get about that catch is that if he'd fallen out of bounds an instant after getting the second foot down, why would that be a completion?
What I don't get about that catch is that if he'd fallen out of bounds an instant after getting the second foot down, why would that be a completion?
Giant receivers and DB's need to stop trying to catch the ball acrobatically for the highlight reel and pull the damn thing in like football players instead. The dropped interception the dude was trying to one hand the INT. He leaned his lesson after it fell out on contact with ground and Giants lose one they should have won. Same with Oden in the end zone catch, Play it through Oden. Its not a TD until you show control.
Who's Oden...?
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The worst rule in the NFL cost the Giants a touchdown and most likely the game. Why are there two different ways the catch a ball in the NFL? Going to the ground is different than becoming a runner? Dean Blandino, a catch is a catch! Get rid of the terrible catch rules!
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I agree it was a catch and a TD. The catch rule, if that is what it is, is ridiculous. But, there were other just as important calls wrong against the Pats.
And let's get rid of the electoral college, too. But only when my guy would otherwise fail to win.
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No one has addressed the fact that the clock did not move on the play that ran at 2:10. Giants' coaches must have missed it, TV broadcast team missed it. This error changes the timing of the final sequence with the final timeout and the two minute warning.
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The Giants like most teams seemingly only play 3 quarters and not 4.
You know, Peter, I noticed that, too. But when I replayed the tape, the clock did indeed move from 2:10 to 2:06 on that play. ( I wonder why we both thought that, though. Maybe I should watch it a third time.) Unlike the Dallas game, however, this was not strictly a time management issue. I believe Manning made the right call on the audible.
Peter, the clock did run, from 2:10 to 2:06. That was Manning's completion to Harris at the Patriots 5-yard-line, but Harris went out of bounds on the play to stop the clock and give New England a free time-out. You can argue whether or not that play took only 4 seconds, I suppose. If it had taken 5 seconds, the next play would have been blown dead at the 2-minute warning instead of 2:01.
Two minutes and ten seconds and a yard or so to the goal and the Giants work the clock like they need two scores instead of a field goal. Run, run, run - if that fails kick. Incredibly rotten play calling - even if the Beckham catch had been a TD. How many times has everyone seen Tom Brady race down the field and will his team to win - field goal or touchdown whatever it takes. And the Giants give him the gift of two minutes. Unintelligent, inept, terrible coaching -worse quarterbacking.
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Blown call. Caught the ball put two feet down...TD...play dead. If it were not in the end zone it would be a catch, a strip and a live ball.
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Oh how we laughed.
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18-1
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No one should act like the Giants weren't very lucky with the calls or on some plays. It's not like they played perfectly and bad luck stole this game away. They're choke artists and Coughlin is a bad manager.
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18-1
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Coughlin is a bad manager, good one.- 2 SB defeats still reverberate through bean town, particularly the perfect season spoiler. sad.
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is that the best record EVER in the 16 game season era?? I think it is!
it was a bitter loss. i hope it serves as a burr under their collective saddles and doesn't deflate them.
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20 of 32 teams in the NFL are currently at .500 or less. This is no longer about parity it is about dominance. Two divisions have leaders that are under .500. The NFL has become like the college game, the top teams and the rest. It's a wonderful diversion for the fans but as far as meaningful play goes, it's a dud.
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and yet the Patriots Giants game was great football from start to end. Perfect not close to it, but hey that's reality as well! I hope we see these two teams in the Superbowl again....im sure the Patriots are dreading it already!
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In the end, the Giants just didn't have the horses to stop the Patriots.
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The Giants were not helped by their poor time management which left Tom Brady with plenty of time to go down the field for the winning field goal.
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the NFL has got to change that rule - doesn't make sense... even the referees didn't all agree....
A running back only has to break the plain of the goal line to score a TD.. but a receiver has to do what?? Oden clearly caught that ball - two feet inbounds... that's a touchdown... just like Dez Bryant's catch last year....
A running back only has to break the plain of the goal line to score a TD.. but a receiver has to do what?? Oden clearly caught that ball - two feet inbounds... that's a touchdown... just like Dez Bryant's catch last year....
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Agree rule needs to change, but comparison to running back doesn't work--the RB has possession when he breaks the plane. The issue with a pass in the end zone, and the entire controversy, is at the intersection of a catch and a touchdown. When does a receiver truly have possession? It can't be simply having two hands on the ball in the end zone--any bobbled pass might then be a touchdown if both hands are on the ball at the same time but the receiver doesn't keep possession. On the other hand, the league appears to be requiring too much. Bryant's and other catches that most everyone sees and comfortably says touchdown are being reversed. And replay slows things down so much that it doesn't resemble real life. It invites minute dissection of a play. Perfect for out of bounds, first downs, crossing the plane, etc. Just too granular for defining a catch.
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The referees call was correct.
But I agree with you, its a stupid rule.
Once a player has caught the ball, that should be it. Allowing a referee to interpret whether a player has made a football movement after the catch is too subjective.
But I agree with you, its a stupid rule.
Once a player has caught the ball, that should be it. Allowing a referee to interpret whether a player has made a football movement after the catch is too subjective.
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Why should the rules be different in the end zone from the rest of the field for a completed pass? Maybe just for this game? Come on, the refs gave you plenty during this game and tried to give you this too, but rules are rules and reviewed plays are a lot less biased.
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What if's doesn't make a very good team. Practice and good back ups does.
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That was a touch down plan and simple! You are in the end zone, ball is caught and two feet touch the ground....over. You don't need to develop a run posture.
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But you do need to have control of the ball!!!!
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The Pats' offensive line has been decimated by injuries this year and Edelman broke his foot. Without those injuries, a mediocre Giants team isn't even in this game.
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EGD -- Please see Victor Cruz, Will Beatty, Weston Richburg, John Beason, etc. of Giants Injuries are part of football, all teams have them. What is your point?
Pats fan here....this is for Giants fans..in 2001 New England lost to St. Louis Rams at home by a touchdown in a game they were supposed to get blown out in to fall to 5-5. They did not lose again and won their first Super Bowl. I'm not saying the Giants are going to run the table, but you never know how a great game like this can boost a team.
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The loss of Edelman, the weak play of the Pat's secondary, and Brady's poor throws under pressure are all things that the Patriots will use to their advantage.
Thank you Giants for knocking any semblance of complacency out of the Patriots locker room.
Thank you Giants for knocking any semblance of complacency out of the Patriots locker room.
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It would have been a lot less dramatic if the Patriot touchdown w about 5 minutes left had not been nullified. That would have put the Patriots up by 10.
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Well Tom Brady finally avenged his two Super Bowl losses to Eli Manning. This time another Giant victory over the Patriots just wasn't meant to be. If it's any consolation Peyton Manning had an even worse day than his brother despite breaking another NFL record. It should be noted that the Carolina Panthers under Cam Newton remain undefeated. It's possible that the Panthers and the Patriots will slug it out for the championship in Super Bowl 50.
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It seems like the Giants have become 4th quarter losers, not closers.
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I thought I had stopped my football addiction (be sure and see Will Smith in Concussion, coming out soon), until I caught myself watching the last few minutes of this game. And I really couldn't care less about either team.
But what I saw was the refs steal a touchdown and then a first down - and thus the game - from the Giants. Abominable!
Football is so Over!
But what I saw was the refs steal a touchdown and then a first down - and thus the game - from the Giants. Abominable!
Football is so Over!
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Ignoring of course the questionable penalties that helped the Giants greatly.
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Apparently you reviewed footage different from the refs.
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Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda. A little late for whining.
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No one should hang their head. The Giants played great, the Patriots played great. It was one of the best games I have watched in a long time. The difference was just one point, and one second.
The Giants let nothing slip away, they played a great game. There should have been two victories awarded, two game balls.
The Giants let nothing slip away, they played a great game. There should have been two victories awarded, two game balls.
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I agree it was a great game, the best I have seen this season. However this is not Pee Wee football where we reward effort. The Giants choked and lost....enough said.
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I've been a New York pro sports fan for over 50 years. I've never seen ANY team find more creative ways to lose than this year's NY Giants team. Maybe the hapless Mets of the early 1960s or the pathetic Yankees of the late 1960s when the dynasty collapsed.
I can think of three Giants losses this year attributable to Manning's poor clock management alone.
The first team in NFL history to lose their first two games leading by double digits in the 4th Q.
How many chances can you give a Tom Brady, who actually wins some games due to his superb clock management.
Maybe it's time for Coach Coughlin to pack it in.
I can think of three Giants losses this year attributable to Manning's poor clock management alone.
The first team in NFL history to lose their first two games leading by double digits in the 4th Q.
How many chances can you give a Tom Brady, who actually wins some games due to his superb clock management.
Maybe it's time for Coach Coughlin to pack it in.
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As an all Boston fan for 40 years since college.. ummm. may I please your remind you sir of our Boston Red Sox Creative-Ways-to-Lose ??? Our Red Sox excelled at snatching defeat from the thrills of Victory... not just one season's worth.. .decades worth..
Your Giants are still a great team - they just need to find themselves. And if history is any indicator - your Giants will improve here on out...
Your Giants are still a great team - they just need to find themselves. And if history is any indicator - your Giants will improve here on out...
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Well, all said, it was the best game I've watched this season.
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inconsequential game for Pats. Giants are going to the Superbowl, so they won't see them for a while.
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hahhahahahahaha
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You are a dreamer.
* aren't *
This Giants team is a lot better than I thought they would be at the beginning of the season. Clock management at the end of games needs some work but they had the Patriots back on their heels and took some of the shine off of Brady better than most teams have this year. Who knows, if they can go 8-8 they might win their division and get to break Tom's heart in a Super Bowl for the third time.
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Not likely. Possible. But not likely.
Ditto last two times I'm sure.
Brady's onslaught? Malcolm Butler won that game for the Pats. Brady threw a crucial INT at the Giants goal line and then threw a hopelessly underthrown pass that should have been the game ending INT but for the ground causing the incompletion. Let's not be blind to Brady's weak performance with the game on the line.
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He also threw for OVER 200 yards in the 4th quarter! and outscored the Giants 17-6 in the seconf half! yes--I call this an onslaught alright....
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Yes, bad throw by Brady on the interception but you seem to be forgetting the final drive for the winning FG. Some great throws there...including the 4th down completion with "game on the line"
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I thought since I caught the ball and had two feet down, it was a touchdown, said Beckham. Exactly. He was starting his celebration when he was stripped. Notice how far his hands were from his body. Instead of cradling the ball he was setting up his personal party which cost the Giants the game.
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funny---because Manning knew it was NOT a TD. The TV expert also knew. why? because they know the rules...while many posting here simply do NOT!
btw--the refs called against the Pats overall in the game. Pats had 13 defensive penalties in 8 games (the least penalized of any team). last night? 3 in the 3rd Q! 2 of which were 100% bogus....
btw--the refs called against the Pats overall in the game. Pats had 13 defensive penalties in 8 games (the least penalized of any team). last night? 3 in the 3rd Q! 2 of which were 100% bogus....
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Fourth-quarter collapses as an art form... yes, the summarizes the Giants' season in 2015. The killer play was not the ODB non-catch or the Collins non-interception, it was the ease with with Brady found Amendola wandering free 12 yards downfield on a 4th & 10. Once the Pats converted that, the ending was inevitable.
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Incredibly poor clock management on the Giants' last scoring drive allowed this. Although nearly as poor tackling on the Pat's driver certainly didn't help offset that prior mistake.
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TOM! ELI! CLOCK MANAGEMENT!
This is the 2nd game they've blown this year by leaving the opposing QB's too much time to come back! And the QB's were Romo and Brady! Yes, yesterday's gaffes were more subtle than the season-opener in Dallas, but just as telling.
On their final drive, the Giants were gaining yards at will. At the point where it was 2nd and 5 at the Patriots 28, the Patriots called their 2nd timeout with 2:10 left. Right then, the Giants should only have been concerned about gaining 5 yards, in bounds, for a first down. That would have left them in easy field goal range and allowed them to run down the clock for a final-play FG attempt.
Everyone saw what happened after that: a first-and-goal completion, but out-of-bounds, then Beckham's non-TD at 2:01! That's TWO timeouts right there that New England did not have to take. Even after the first-and-goal completion, the Giants could have just called running plays to take the clock down to 1:10 or so for the chip-shot FG attempt, assuming they could not score a touchdown first. Do you think those extra 40 seconds the Patriots had at the end helped Brady!?!
At some point, maybe during the bye week, the Giants' coaching staff needs to go over these situations, and change their play-calling mind-set. At least they showed, yesterday, they are capable of beating anyone.
This is the 2nd game they've blown this year by leaving the opposing QB's too much time to come back! And the QB's were Romo and Brady! Yes, yesterday's gaffes were more subtle than the season-opener in Dallas, but just as telling.
On their final drive, the Giants were gaining yards at will. At the point where it was 2nd and 5 at the Patriots 28, the Patriots called their 2nd timeout with 2:10 left. Right then, the Giants should only have been concerned about gaining 5 yards, in bounds, for a first down. That would have left them in easy field goal range and allowed them to run down the clock for a final-play FG attempt.
Everyone saw what happened after that: a first-and-goal completion, but out-of-bounds, then Beckham's non-TD at 2:01! That's TWO timeouts right there that New England did not have to take. Even after the first-and-goal completion, the Giants could have just called running plays to take the clock down to 1:10 or so for the chip-shot FG attempt, assuming they could not score a touchdown first. Do you think those extra 40 seconds the Patriots had at the end helped Brady!?!
At some point, maybe during the bye week, the Giants' coaching staff needs to go over these situations, and change their play-calling mind-set. At least they showed, yesterday, they are capable of beating anyone.
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I see that Eli changed the call on first down at the 5. He really, really should have known better. Run it in there three times and hope for the best. Then kick the field goal if you need to. I was astonished that he threw the ball to Beckham, and was actually glad the catch was overturned, thinking, OK, now we can kill some clock. But no. I guess these guys train so hard to react to what they see on the field that they just forget the bigger picture.
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"Glad the catch was overturned?" So, you don't think a touchdown would have helped there, even though the Pats score to win was a field goal from 54 yards?
I agree that clock management was bad, but that particular call resulted in what should have been confirmed on review as a touchdown. You can't blame Eli for that. (Yes, OBJ should have pulled the ball in--he knows that too.)
I agree that clock management was bad, but that particular call resulted in what should have been confirmed on review as a touchdown. You can't blame Eli for that. (Yes, OBJ should have pulled the ball in--he knows that too.)
Oh I should clarify my comment: The Patriots did have only one time-out left but the "second time-out" I referenced was the two-minute warning. Since the Giants had to run a play at 2:01, that one extra second was essentially the extra time-out the Patriots got, and it allowed them to get the extra :40 seconds they needed to drive into field goal range. Apologies for the goof, I got riled up!
If NY fans are satisfied with an "entertaining, stirring" game like this one each time the Giants play the Patriots, we'll be happen to give them that as long as the outcome is the same as this game.
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Humility is victory, pride in defeat. That's the GIANTS way, that's why the GIANTS and their fans are GIANTS. The Mara family and the GIANTS along with Packers, Bears and Steelers made what the NFL is today.
The patriots and others are doing their best to tear it down.
The patriots and others are doing their best to tear it down.
What a heartbreaker!!! I'm no Giants fan but I thought they had this game. That said, as a Green Bay Packers fan I'm just as disappointed.
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Jim Nance is a Pats fan and is gleeful when they are doing well and sullen when the Giants are successful. I thought he was pro , I guess not . A pro would adopt a veil of neutrality and evenly recognize the success and failures of both sides. Another example of this is his staying mum while Belchik was screaming at the refs and not explaining or saying what it was about. Given the pats ( belihcik) history it might have been good to keep moments like this fully explained, so as not to be confused with "possible ref intimidation". Nance should follow the example of his partner , Phil Sims , an ex gaint of some note, scalding and praising both teams as the situation required. Nance also is the worst second guesser of questionable ref calls ( again a sign of fanlike bias) . He should shut up , let the replay refs handle it or the experts of the football rules take shot at explaining it.
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Yeah, the Patriots cheated again by having Jim Nance announce the game. The Giants would have won with another announcer, right?
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What's funny here, in addition to the misspelling of Nantz and Simms, is that you'll hear exactly the same whinging from Pats fans in the other direction against Nantz--they think he roots against them. The truth is, he's a front-runner, and is rooting for whatever may come that will allow him to laud someone to the skies.
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Nantz, not Nance. The ex-Patriot player is dead. He has no ties to NE and I don't see him as biased.
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Tom Brady didn't win this game and Beckham didn't lose it. And the Giant defense played a great game. If I were looking for the people who most contributed to the win for New England it would be Amendola with special attention to his 82 yard kick return in the 3rd quarter. And Gronkowski's usual heroics. And if I were looking for where to place the responsibility for the loss it would be on poor clock management by the Giants at the end of the game and an inability to get one more first down. Tough loss.
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Quite true, But if you watch Beckham run he carries the ball open and in one hand. His first instinct was to showboat on his long catch and subsequent TD gallop. Great play but fundamentally unsound. . Incomplete TD pass was caused by his instinct to showboat and to celebrate before he had secured the ball. Same issue. Poor clock management ..For Pete's sake just run the ball some more and The Patriots would have had 30-60 less seconds to win at the end of the game. Fundamentally don't overcompensate for what the defense might not do.. Stick with Giant football.
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Patriots over the Giants - a small bit of good news on a very depressing week-end.
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We here in New England are proud and happy to provide whatever consolation we can to you Parisians.
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abo...agreed.
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