Can Data Capture the True Health of the Creative Economy?

Aug 24, 2015 · 45 comments
Steve (NY, NY)
Man, this whole discussion has just made me queasy. Having spent the last decade or so watching the beautiful, fertile session and club scene I once knew in NYC fall apart...this data and speculation are meaningless. So many talented people have been cheated as royalties have gone missing and union gigs have disappeared. Maybe some kind of indie scene will flourish that someone will one day say was progress, but I think not. I've witnessed it, and I see talented people struggling today way more than ever. So it is just a damned insult to read this reporting in the NYT, and all the apologist follow-up. Like Louis Armstrong once said about the meaning of jazz: "...if you have to ask, you'll never know."
Steve S.
NY, NY
AliceP (Leesburg, VA)
When 70% all of the free-lance gigs have dried up since 2001 and clubs don't pay bands to play - they require the bands to PAY THEM to play - well, I just think these authors need to stop relying on easily mined data and go do some research for themselves, original research.

They might find that their writing doesn't pay enough for them to do original research - then they'll better understand the problems facing the creative community.
Steve (USA)
@AliceP: "... 70% all of the free-lance gigs have dried up since 2001 ...

Could you post a source for that statistic? The number "70%" does not appear in the two articles published by the Times nor does it appear in the two FMC posts.

"... clubs don't pay bands to play - they require the bands to PAY THEM to play ..."

Could you post some examples of actual clubs that require bands to pay? How much must be paid? Do the bands receive tips? What are the terms of the legal contract between the club and the band?
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
And now, the Future of Music Coalition has rebutted this apology.

http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2015/08/28/musicians-are-not-dentists-what...

Mr Johnson, you owe the music community an apology. If you think you are being helpful to musicians, you are mistaken. You are, I'm sad to say, doing the opposite. You are hurting us.
Steve (USA)
How is Mr. Johnson "hurting" the "music community"?
Michael (Los Angeles)
Their argument boils down to "Johnson's data fails to account for people like jazz arrangers." Well sorry, I love Teo Macero but the 1950s are over; can't blame the internet for that.
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
Steve

Reading through your posts on this thread, I notice you like questions.

Please tell us about yourself. What is your name? What do you do? Where do you work? Where do you live? Are you an artist?

In the meantime, I won’t answer rhetorical questions from an anonymous source.
Kevin Erickson (Washington DC)
We at Future of Music Coalition appreciate Johnson’s detailed response and his very kind words for our organization. Moreover, we appreciate his demeanor and good faith in responding to our critiques. It’s not fun to endure these kinds of criticisms (indeed, we’re not the only ones who had problems with that article), and he has done so with civility and good humor.

That said, we stand by our criticism of Johnson’s reporting.

Johnson’s response to our critique is titled “Can Data Capture the True Health of the Creative Economy?” But that’s not what our disagreement is about. It’s about the simplified story Johnson tells, and whether the particular datasets he uses to tell it are an appropriate proxy for the musician population. It’s about whether he’s given his readers the necessary tools to meaningfully understand the data he presents, including the limitations of that data.

Here's our full response to his response to our response.
http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2015/08/28/musicians-are-not-dentists-what...
Steve (USA)
@KE: 'Johnson’s response to our critique is titled “Can Data Capture the True Health of the Creative Economy?” But that’s not what our disagreement is about.'

AFAIK, the author does not write the headline, so you can blame the Times for that misinterpretation.

Johnson himself states his thesis[1] in paragraph two: "[M]usicians are doing slightly better than they were in the pre-Napster era, and that there are more people creating and performing music for a living."

[1] Johnson uses the inapt term "macronarrative".
Steve (USA)
@FMC: "There are no agreed upon standards for who counts as a musician."
"Dentists have much less variation in their business models."

OK, so your complaint is that the US government's classification[1] is inadequate for musicians. You can do something about that by telling the US Census Bureau what classification should be used. A solicitation for proposals to update the NAICS for 2017 was published in the Federal Register on May 22, 2014.[2]

[1] North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) at BLS
http://www.bls.gov/bls/naics.htm
[2] http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-05-22/pdf/2014-11914.pdf
Barbara T (Oyster Bay, NY)
Read "Big Data" by Victor Mayer-Schonberger and Kenneth Cukler about how powerful algorithms are teasing out the hidden connections between seemingly unrelated things to ultimately create meaningless data, that we rely on for daily decisions resulting in misinterpretations costing us millions.
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
This came in the mail today:

Scientists and engineers and inventors and programmers all engage in creative thought, but there’s a real difference between creative thought in the scientific sense and creative thought in the artistic sense. That is, basically, achievements in science are, at bottom, acts of discovery, not acts of creation. Before Newton, the natural fact of gravitation was already there, waiting to be understood; after Newton, there was no need for anyone to have that same insight over again. But if Newton *hadn’t* formulated the laws of motion and gravitation, somebody else would have eventually, and then we’d speak today of, say, Schmedlappian physics rather than Newtonian physics. BUT…if Coleridge hadn’t smoked the right bowl at the right time, neither he nor anybody else would have ever written Kubla Khan.
Steve (USA)
@TBB: "This came in the mail today: ..."

Who wrote "this"?
Steve (USA)
@TBB: "This came in the mail today: ..."

Copyright law is just as important to writers as it is to musicians. Who holds the copyright to the text you quoted without attribution? Did you obtain permission to reproduce it? Have you ever used copyrighted music without permission?
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
Another thought. Interesting picture accompanying this apology- Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs (whose stuff is very good but difficult to find) in the “studio”, which appears to be the corner a small bedroom, working with a computer and a couple of keyboards, a live type (LoFi) microphone, and a guitar. Working in head phones. Isolated. Alone.

This is not the way an art scene happens. This is not the way forward.
Steve (USA)
@TBB: "... Interesting picture ... Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs ... Isolated. Alone."

You are over-interpreting one photo. A Youtube search shows that she performs in small ensembles and that she has collaborators. A web search shows that she is part of a duo called "Bouquet". According to the web site:

"The two set out to create an immersive sound, blending intricate vocal harmonies with a rising mass of guitar, trembling synthesizer, and pulsations of early rhythm machines."
Sarah (California)
I'm a 58-year-old writer and musician who makes a living doing neither. The real issue here, of course, is this: America is founder and CEO of rabid global capitalism. Rabid, ruthless, unfettered, and rapacious. It's what we do, and we've taught everyone else who wants to get in the game how to play it. As a result, nothing - and by that I mean NO THING - except that which makes money has any value whatsoever. This isn't new, of course; artists and intellectuals have always had a tough row to hoe until such time as they either secure a generous patron or live long enough to cash in on the patina of desirability the passage of time inevitably bestows (cf. the Impressionists). But this ages-old problem has never been more pronounced for artists and intellectuals than it is today. The gaping, ravenous maw of capitalism has no use for anything if it isn't making big profits for somebody, like, right freaking now. As a result, artists go begging for money and respect. The same problem plagues American education. You can't expect youngsters to view the pursuit of education for its intrinsic value as necessary when the culture they are growing up in blares a different message night and day: Forget dumb junk like history; it's making money that counts! Expecting hapless teachers to do battle with the sea of problems a cultural impetus like that one foments is absurd, yet who gets the blame for the nation's appalling illiteracy? But hey - we're capitalists! USA! USA!
Steve (USA)
@Sarah: "I'm a 58-year-old writer and musician who makes a living doing neither."

So you are blaming "capitalism" for that? FYI, any writer or musician who owns a computer or an instrument that is used to make money is a capitalist.
Dheep' (Midgard)
Sure Sarah - whatever you say
Fran (<br/>)
I'd love to have a quality of life conversation, specifically focused on hours worked, and number of gigs required, not to mention consistency and dependability of income. Our conservatory graduated, hard working not to mention extremely talented guitar teacher works at local schools part time, at day camp in the summer, plays musicals for the better scale, teaches privately in students' homes (committing and wasting more time) all to fund the music he actually wants to make. It is better than not having music in your life, but it is likely not sustainable into middle age. So my question -- is this peripatetic life new or as it's always been? Should we blame a digital economy or simply the vagaries of a creative industry?
Steve (USA)
@Fran: "... is this peripatetic life new or as it's always been?"

Wandering minstrels were entertainers in the Middle Ages.[1] Haydn had a variety of jobs in different places. Brahms was a teacher and a conductor. Elgar worked as a clerk and a teacher. Ives owned an insurance company.

[1] This book has a chapter on "Minstrels". A web search will find more:
"Music in the Age of Chaucer" By Nigel Wilkins.
Dheep' (Midgard)
As an Investment (Creative Pursuits) it would be one of the absolutely Worst Possible rate of Returns ever made. As an Investment in one's Self / Living - it is one of the Absolutely Best Investments ever made. It Has NEVER let me down. I have let it Down on Occasion.
As a Person who made a Living (?) at one time through Music/Commercial Art, I can tell you - at One time, you could actually work, & work every day/Night of the week if you so chose. It was always there whenever I got Laid off From my "Real Job".
Yes, I am Old now, but even if I was Young - there is No Way I could work for Pay as I once did. It is NOT there. Thousands of Talented Folks go Wanting for any type of Reward for Their Hard work because it is Not valued. It is Rare that it ever Has been. And very few of them are "Entrepreneurs" -nor do they wish to be (I Love the Music Bizz. I Hate the Business of Music" - Keith Richards)
Yes, I am Old (& Certainly no Pop Star anymore as far as Looks) ,but it never fails to still to Still Interest People. I walked into a Family gathering last weekend & a Relative asked "Are you Playing"? Another cornered me for the Talk we Inevitably have about Instruments & the Tech Involved. Even though I was / am a Low Level Entertainer, People still find it Interesting to associate with this. And this is the same Relative who Considered me a "Bum" as a young Man while I worked 5/6/7 nights a week.
An Ordinary American (Texas)
I didn't read Johnson's first article. Reading an analysis based on available data and surveys and etc. about a creative field like music just... well, it's too much like reading about a Van Gogh painting instead of looking at the real thing. Now, after reading both his articles (the claim, and the defense) I see why my aversion was correct. Johnson uses a hammer (available data) as a tool because that's all he has, even though the hammer doesn't fit the job. In the real world, musicians know what's what. Johnson doesn't. Neither do his readers, if they take him seriously. (I am not a musician but I work in a related creative field, and the "digital revolution" has not improved it. Rather, it has proven a negative economic disruption. It has made earning a living more difficult and has not improved the creative products.)
Steve (USA)
@AOA: 'I am not a musician but I work in a related creative field, ...'

What "creative field" do you work in?

'... the "digital revolution" ... has proven a negative economic disruption.'

How has the "digital revolution" affected your income? Do you have any source of income other than your "work in a related creative field"? Have you ever been affected by copyright infringement? If so, what did you do about it?
Steve (USA)
Borodin was a chemistry professor, and Rimsky-Korsakov was a naval officer.[1] Louis Armstrong was a garbage re-seller for a time.[2]

[1] Wikipedia.
[2] "Satchmo: The Genius of Louis Armstrong" By Gary Giddins.
Michael (Los Angeles)
This follow-up is 100 percent accurate, just like the original article.

Just like most people lose touch with current tastes in music, nearly all of Johnson's naysayers are out of touch with the current music business. It has obviously never been better, and Johnson proved it.
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
Michael

There is a name for the school of philosophy you and Mr Johnson profess- Techno-Philistinism.

Centuries of artists are laughing at Mr Johnson’s attempt to apply data to art.

Sincerely

T Bone Burnett
Michael (Los Angeles)
Am I speaking with the real T Bone?! If so, then you know that artists never made money from record sales. The only thing that's changed is corporations no longer control what is popular, and touring has become much more lucrative.
Sarah (California)
Unless you're actually Mr. Burnett, I'd suggest you stop identifying yourself as such.
Frank Hyman (Durham, NC)
I thought Steven Johnson’s article Creative Accounting was timely and encouraging. He also made one point that could have borne deeper discussion. He writes that making it as an artist these days, “Require[s] a kind of entrepreneurial energy that some creators lack.” I don’t think it’s so much a lack of energy as much as a lack of appreciation for the kind of life running your own business can provide. In my experience, most creative people are to the left of the political center (no doubt due to those strange feelings of empathy) and often have a disdain for anything smacking of business. I’ve been without a day job for 23 years largely because I decided to become self-employed. I make a very good living from nine creative outlets: writing, photography, stone masonry, design, gardening, carpentry, politics, sculpture and foraging. As Andy Warhol said, “After art comes business, and the art of doing business is the best art of all.” Artists with a disdain for business would be wise to get over it. Owning your own business makes you the captain of your own life. As you comfort yet another friend who’s been laid off, you’ll be launching yet another remunerative and artistic adventure. Let the creative accounting begin.
Katie Taylor (Portland, OR)
Any solution that requires everyone to be an entrepreneur is not a realistic solution. It's like justifying habitat destruction by saying that if they really wanted to, all animals could become bacteria or cockroaches (or humans). Which also begs the question of whether or not we want to live in a world that can only support bacteria and cockroaches (and humans, and entrepreneurs). A person only has so much time and energy, and the more energy that goes into running a business, the less you have to put into your music. The end result is a broad and flat music culture populated mostly by newcomers that is heavy on style (mostly borrowed from David Bowie or whoever) and light on big new ideas. Also, an industry model that favors business people, who tend to focus on what will sell and are often not the most innovative artists.
John Riley (San Francisco)
I guess journalism isn't art, perhaps not in its present form, but I find it interesting that this discussion is happening in a newspaper that, like all newspapers, can't figure out how to stop losing money. Music is personal expression. I can see how it can continue in some form. Journalism takes some infrastructure to do it properly. The funding model has been destroyed.
Channie (Seoul)
Come on, stop complaining... if you love music and making music... then making money should be something of an afterthought. Listen, I create music too, and I want to be able to make music for a living. But I can't. That's just the fact of life. Get over it. I have a day job which pays the bill. And I get home and do my music creation. I love it, though I'd love to get paid for it every now and then, it doesn't. I perform with my buddies on the weekends, and that's how we express ourselves through music.

To the author's point, I think the current music scene is better for musicians who's just starting out, with all the technologies that are available to them to make music and be available to the world, with iTunes and Youtube. Yes, it may not make every musician happy, nor should it. But from the stand point of music lovers, it's a time of blessing since music can be created and shared with anyone around the world for the first time in human history. So, why not get excited?
Marilyn Carino (Brooklyn, NY)
Channie, no one is suggesting that one should be paid for making music for fun, such as yourself, but, as a professional musician (this is my craft and my profession), I can't seem to "get over" the fact that corporations like You Tube/Google, Spotify, etc. make plenty of money using my, and other musicians' product yet share none of this wealth with us. Plenty of people are making buckets of money from music, they are just not sharing that money with the musicians. To consider this as "whining" on our part is the kool-aid the corporations must be pleased to see you are drinking.

You seem to be making the argument that, because music is something we enjoy it should be free and freely shared. That is somewhat arguable until you factor in that someone has to spend the hours and production costs to not only create the music but pay engineers for studio time, mastering costs and promotional costs. You would never have heard of most of your favorite music unless time and money was spent to get that music to you. As a hobbyist I don't expect you to really understand our position but please don't speak for us when you know nothing about our plight.
Todd Bishop (Portland)
Wonderful, we'll move the entire creative economy over to an amateur/part time thing, that we do in between shifts at the cannery. That will really turn us into a beacon of culture. We'll do that not because there is no money in art, but because some people think that there is just no way a reasonable portion of the many billions of dollars involved can get into the hands of the people who actually make it.
FarePlay (West Coast)
I can't recall an instance where a non-staff writer for the New York Times was given a feature length rebuttal article.

It also appears Mr Johnson is writing about music as someone who is very new to music. He claims to have spent a week reviewing data before he wrote the article. Unfortunately, data alone does not provide the kinds of insights required to evaluate a complicated problem.

With so many talented music staff writers, why did the NYT go outside to hire a writer without more experience with the subject matter? These are important questions that deserve answers.
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
Mr. Johnson

Thank you for responding to the Future of Music rebuttal of your article.

Would you respond to this?

http://illusionofmore.com/steven-johnson-thesis-isnt/

Thank you.

T Bone Burnett
Ellen (Berkeley)
I second that.
Michael (Los Angeles)
I don't think random commenters should be allowed to sign their comments with the names of famous people.
T Bone Burnett (Los Angeles)
Michael

I don't either. In fact, I don't think there should be *any* anonymous comments on the internet.

All good wishes

T Bone Burnett
Cliff Gerrish (San Francisco)
I think the NY Times owes the FMC or someone like Anil Prasad of Innerviews.org equal space to respond to Johnson. Despite his backpedalling and softening of his thesis -- basically he's told the public not to worry about musicians--they're doing just fine. The notion that artists can just "adjust" their contracts with the Streaming platform is incredibly naive.

As far as the question about whether "data" can capture the creative economy, I think the answer is no. Johnson basically says this and then goes on anyway. Poorly researched, poorly thought out, damaging to artists-- that sums it up.
M.R. (nyc)
Steven Johnson is debating a straw man.
No one is claiming "apocalypse": but record budgets have been slashed, and this blocks talented artists without the means to self finance/promote from participation.
Details like "who" can participate aren't visible from Johnson's 'birds eye' perch. But maybe he should swoop a bit closer to earth every now and then, because some really good music used to come from places -- Detroit, Liverpool, the Bronx -- where people couldn't afford to self produce/promote.
The fact is this: rates of pay from streaming services are so low that, for most working artists, they don't cover production costs. As streaming displaces monetizable CD and download sales, artists are suffering losses in income.
Creating paper gains by listing elementary school teachers as musicians won't change that fact.
Mr Johnson also fails to note that much of the music economy in 1999 was gray market/cash, significant portions from overseas touring. The loss of this income simply isn't measurable by his sources, while the paper gains when this same income is pushed onto the books by ever increasing post 9-11 security, or when the same musicians are forced into teaching positions are counted as 'growth'.
Equally misleading is data from 'gig economy' part-timers who 'identify" as musicians, rather than dog walkers or pot dealers. This choice doesn't change the income's source or reflect true music industry growth.
We wish Johnson was right. He's not.
Steve (USA)
@M.R.: 'Steven Johnson is debating a straw man.
No one is claiming "apocalypse": ...'

Johnson is paraphrasing Metallica's Lars Ulrich, who is quoted at length in Johnson's original article. These sentences could be what motivated the word "apocalypse":

"It’s clear, then, that if music is free for downloading, the music industry is not viable. All the jobs I just talked about will be lost, and the diverse voices of the artists will disappear."[1]

BTW, Metallica now has a Youtube channel, "MetallicaTV".

[1] Ulrich speaking in 2000:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/the-creative-apocalypse-that-...
Mark Weiss (Palo Alto, CA)
In Palo Alto, California there are five venues at which I had produced small concert events, for working-class musicians, on tour in 1999 or thereabouts-- coffee houses, bars, art galleries and a night club per se -- that by 2014 had been converted to office space, mostly for tech workers chasing the next big IPO outcome. Meanwhile, rents have increased at least 40 percent in that period (or since 2008 rather) forcing out emerging artists en masse.
nutrition watcher (CA)
Yes, but there isn't working-class ANYTHING in Palo Alto anymore. It's no less true of any other career. It's an entire economic class that has been effectively swept clean in that area, not a career category.