The article could be called 'Mexican government demonstrates how deeply corrupted it is'. Of course they don't -yet- want American help, they need to give El Chapo enough time to get settled and go back fully into business (with them), and then they play the good neighbor card. Drug lords are fundamental for the daily functioning of the PRI, it has never been this clear, this documented. Mexico has NEVER been worst.
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I read somewhere that the vast majority of arms used by the drug cartels are manufactured and sold by US companies. Finding a way to stop that free flow certainly wouldn't solve the US demand for drugs and the cartels that supply them: but at least it would make things more complicated. At some point, the market has to meet so many complications that people are driven to change the status quo.
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I have lived in and traveled extensively in both countries and speak both languages fluently .
Here's what I think : We Americans are an unhappy /unfulfilled lot so we use " illegal " drugs for recreation . We have the money to buy them but our Victorian guilt also pays for the police resources to keep a lid on their production here .
The Mexicans are by in large much happier than us and do not use cocaine , heroin , speed , etc . to recreate . They laugh , sing and enjoy their close families . Some beers in public and rarely a little weed at home is pretty much the way things go . They hate their corrupt officials and the drug gangs that have sprung up and taken over . They are exasperated and feel powerless to bring about change .
This talk of legalizing drugs in the U.S. to cure the problem is stupidity . Do you really want people driving around or going to work or caring for children all coked up or shooting up every few hours ? The solution is to make our culture more easy going , less anxious , less hostile . more loving and more family oriented . Eliminating the demand for harmful drugs is the solution everyone agrees on . How you do it is the trick that has escaped us . Incarceration and " just say no " are not the solutions ( as time has shown ).
We need to retool as a society . How we could make such an enormous and lasting conversion is beyond me , but I know in my bones that it is the only cure for this intractable scourge .
Here's what I think : We Americans are an unhappy /unfulfilled lot so we use " illegal " drugs for recreation . We have the money to buy them but our Victorian guilt also pays for the police resources to keep a lid on their production here .
The Mexicans are by in large much happier than us and do not use cocaine , heroin , speed , etc . to recreate . They laugh , sing and enjoy their close families . Some beers in public and rarely a little weed at home is pretty much the way things go . They hate their corrupt officials and the drug gangs that have sprung up and taken over . They are exasperated and feel powerless to bring about change .
This talk of legalizing drugs in the U.S. to cure the problem is stupidity . Do you really want people driving around or going to work or caring for children all coked up or shooting up every few hours ? The solution is to make our culture more easy going , less anxious , less hostile . more loving and more family oriented . Eliminating the demand for harmful drugs is the solution everyone agrees on . How you do it is the trick that has escaped us . Incarceration and " just say no " are not the solutions ( as time has shown ).
We need to retool as a society . How we could make such an enormous and lasting conversion is beyond me , but I know in my bones that it is the only cure for this intractable scourge .
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I'm sure, lots of people were paid off. If this drug lord is worth billions of dollars why wouldn't anyone suspect a pay-off to a few guards at the prison. They should have frozen his accounts.
The only surprise I see in El Chapo's escape is that it took so long.
If we really want to put Senor Guzman and others in his business out of work, than all we have to do is follow the leads of Britain and Switzerland. They have legalized programs for drug addicts.
For me legalizing all drugs is a no brainer and a win-win for everyone but the drug lords and our laughable "War on Drugs. "
If legalized, all addicts will be able to obtain their drug of choice without killing, stealing and prostituting themselves. They would obtain their drugs from pharmacies or legalized drug shops. If they get them from pharmacies there would be no tax. If they get the drugs from stores, than a federal tax would be charged, adding billions of dollars to the federal coffers, instead of losing it all to private illegal growers and dealers like Senor Guzman who is probably living quite comfortably in his home in Mexico...laughing at the US and those people of Mexico who are actually fighting the proliferation of drugs in their country, instead of taking kickbacks.
If we really want to put Senor Guzman and others in his business out of work, than all we have to do is follow the leads of Britain and Switzerland. They have legalized programs for drug addicts.
For me legalizing all drugs is a no brainer and a win-win for everyone but the drug lords and our laughable "War on Drugs. "
If legalized, all addicts will be able to obtain their drug of choice without killing, stealing and prostituting themselves. They would obtain their drugs from pharmacies or legalized drug shops. If they get them from pharmacies there would be no tax. If they get the drugs from stores, than a federal tax would be charged, adding billions of dollars to the federal coffers, instead of losing it all to private illegal growers and dealers like Senor Guzman who is probably living quite comfortably in his home in Mexico...laughing at the US and those people of Mexico who are actually fighting the proliferation of drugs in their country, instead of taking kickbacks.
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His people hand you a suitcase full of money, with the itinerarys of all your family members. And a photo array of those that had refused his friendship.
How could you say no?
Or dare extradite him to the U.S.
How could you say no?
Or dare extradite him to the U.S.
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There is a reason Mexico is a third world dump that it's citizens flee from. Their govt couldn't organize a one car funeral procession without screwing it up. The smartest people in the country are criminals.
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Really? How stupid does this prison warden and his crew think people are? Video watching him sneak behind that partition? Laughable. The next day the warden was spotted driving his new Bentley waving to the crowd, " how you all doin?"
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Having lived in Mexico for quite a few years, I can tell you that the whole system is so corrupt that anything is possible. Money talks and really big money talks louder.From the lowly policeman who can be bought for a dollar or two, to the top where the price is in the millions. I am sure that many hands were greased costing Guzman tens of millions of dollars, which means little to Guzman as it can be replaced in a week.
You have no idea as to how corruption is maintained in Mexico, how pervasive corruption it really is. No president, cohorts, judges, police, military, are free of corruption, it is a way of life.
And so it goes.....
You have no idea as to how corruption is maintained in Mexico, how pervasive corruption it really is. No president, cohorts, judges, police, military, are free of corruption, it is a way of life.
And so it goes.....
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Why would US authorities want to collaborate with the same government who let El Chapo escape? Or are they naive enought to believe that the drug lord did this all on his own?
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Why does the U.S. Sell guns to Mexico and why does the U.S. buy Mexico's drugs? It's a business. A deadly business.
The DEA needs to find other work.
The DEA needs to find other work.
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Guzman doesn't have to come to America. He can go anywhere and still operate. Heck, he can live the big life in Mexico. With Nieto and the PRI in power, it's no problem for Guzman. IMHO, he owns the government.
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I don't know if we'd be any better at keeping him out of tunnels.
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Put the prison showers on the second floor.
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Oh I don't know.....it's kinda easy to secure the area immediately under someones cell....you could pour 10 feet of concrete. Or simply house him over a spot where digging is impossible.
The whole thing is obviously assisted by those who were paid to prevent it. Question is, did they assist for profit, or were their families going to be murdered if they did not?
The whole thing is obviously assisted by those who were paid to prevent it. Question is, did they assist for profit, or were their families going to be murdered if they did not?
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Or maybe you could move him to a different cell every day?? Makes it hard for them to tunnel to his cell if they don't know which one he will be in.
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If this escape and the subsequent lack of activity of Mexico's 'security' forces to apprehend El Chapo doesn't prove to the US that Mexico is one of the most corrupt and useless governments ever, that the US is more than stupid. It's complicit.
And we're getting millions of illegal immigrants from this banana republic?! Millions that we have to support while they would just as soon not adhere to our laws, not learn our language, and then mandate that they all get amnesty while they run our communities and social assistance networks into the ground?!
And we're getting millions of illegal immigrants from this banana republic?! Millions that we have to support while they would just as soon not adhere to our laws, not learn our language, and then mandate that they all get amnesty while they run our communities and social assistance networks into the ground?!
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If you honestly think this problem is only Mexico's problem, you my friend, need a lot of learning to do. The drug war is nothing but a farce. How long has the drug war been going on? Since its establishment by Nixon? How much has it helped? Do you honestly think that the US government doesn't benefit from the drug war? So many things about your comment are completely wrong. Quit getting your news from Fox and Bill and the gang.
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It's their problem that they let him escape after refusing to turn him over to the U.S.
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Here is the heart of this article and of the matter at hand:
"“The Mexicans think we are domineering and imperialist, and we think they are corrupt,” Mr. Isacson said.
The Peña Nieto administration put the Americans at arm’s length upon taking office, questioning the right of American officials to give elite Mexican security officials polygraph tests to root out corruption."
I'm guessing that too many politicians, friends, and associates of Mr. Pena's would flunk those polygraph tests for him to ever consider such an idea. How serious can his administration be about catching Mr. Guzman if they keep refusing our help in catching him? At the very least, more sets of eyes and ears would be better than fewer ones.
My understanding is that the level of drug-lord corruption of the police, the military and the local politicians is so wide and deep in Mexico that any time major drug traffickers are captured, tried and put in jail, it is almost an agreed-upon matter between Mexico's authorities, and the country's drug lords, who work hand-in-glove behind the scenes. If daytime police officers work at night for drug runners, as is said to often be the case, then ever getting a handle on drug trafficking there is out of reach. Essentially, the narco-business people run Mexico.
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I don't share The Donald's view about Mexicans or anyone for that matter; however, I feel so badly for the DEA and any law enforcement personnel who give their lives literally and figuratively to play in this ruse. We should just take care of securing our own borders and let Mexico deal with the problems within theirs.
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Said problem is due to US demand for drugs. Nothing more than Blablabla behind laissez faire capitalism.
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I think Todd Hawkins' proporsal addresses that: if the U.S. secured its borders, what do you think would happen to the drug business?
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If Joquin Guzman Loera, aka El Chapo, plans to, or has already made it, to America, someone needs to let him know that he can always go to San Francisco. It's a "sanctuary" city. And even if El Chapo is found and arrested there, he will find a friend in Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi and be released immediately, because Sheriff Mirkarimi ALWAYS follows not only city law, but the broader 1989 city "sanctuary law, not to mention the more specific 2013 ordinance that applies specifically to federal immigration detainers.
Mark my words...the escape of El Chapo is an American assassination just waiting to happen, and I'm not talking about his!!
Mark my words...the escape of El Chapo is an American assassination just waiting to happen, and I'm not talking about his!!
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I wonder why was Trump so sure and scared of that gangster? What harm did he cause (what crime did he make) to solve the problem with FBI?
I'll be my last pair of socks it was uber-wealthy American illicit-drug interests who financed, helped plan, and helped hire the labor for much of El Chapo's escape... and if this escape truly "adds strains with" the US, I'll *eat* those socks.
The governments and major industries of both the USA and Mexico *own* this entire drug trade.
The governments and major industries of both the USA and Mexico *own* this entire drug trade.
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Maybe you should eat your tinfoil hat instead.
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Time to end our insane Drug War and put Guzman on probation as long as he only inhales medical marijuana.
It all has to do with the change of government in Mexico. The past president had a totally different mentality than the actual one. The truth is that the past president wanted to destroy all the cárteles... But it resulted in blood and a bad image of the country. Peña wants to completely reverse that. And automatically stopped the Narcowar. But we all know that his government is incredibly corrupt. I don't know what is worse.
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What isn't mentioned nearly often enough is the fact that Mexico's drug war, with its 100,000 dead and the pervasive, ingrained corruption that is slowly destroying Mexican society, is totally our fault. The American appetite for drugs has created problem. Americans are 100 percent to blame for the whole mess, because we just can't stop getting high.
The fact that Mexico can't cope with the law enforcement problem does not excuse us one iota. We created the problem; we perpetuate it. I'm no Blame America Firster, but this one's totally on us.
The fact that Mexico can't cope with the law enforcement problem does not excuse us one iota. We created the problem; we perpetuate it. I'm no Blame America Firster, but this one's totally on us.
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So if addicts in the states start using prescription drugs it's totally the fault of the companies that invented them? I'm really tired of these eXcuses. We have tried, repeatedly, different policies to stop people using and making drugs. OTC cold remedies? All the awful paperwork patients in need have to go through to get pain killers. It's enough already. MeXico's problem with drug cartels are of MeXico's making. If the addicts weren't in the States' they'd be somewhere else.
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This is not "totally our fault" because there are many factors besides drugs at play creating the climate that would allow Guzman to operate. A legacy of impunity and corruption, not playing police, and low economic mobility are the conditions needed to have cartels thrive.
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Jon Harrison - So the very obvious fact that the Mexican government cannot control the violence and corruption within its own borders caused by private drug entrepreneurs is the fault of the people of the United States who buy drugs. That's what you are saying and you are not a "Blame America Firster."
If the citrous fruit business in Florida erupts in violence between growers it's then the fault of the people in New York who buy their oranges, right!
If the citrous fruit business in Florida erupts in violence between growers it's then the fault of the people in New York who buy their oranges, right!
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If Joaquín Guzmán Loera can really get into the US, it will be a very clear demonstration of the vulnerability of America's borders, however, given the fact that we are talking about the southern border, I would not be very surprised of the successful penetration.
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What in the world makes you think Guzman has any desire to come to the United States? Lol...this guy is a BILLIONAIRE. He could cares less to set foot in this country.
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Not to worry. The US is the last place where El Chapo would go. There, if he gets caught, his possibilities of recovering freedom are slimmer than ever.
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El Chapo broke out to confront Donald Trump.
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Considering Donald Trump has decided to run his U.S. president campaign on the anti-Mexico platform, this is not helping.
The silliness of Trump's campaign aside - only to be surpassed by his garnering of 17% of the Republican vote in the poll - this escape stinks to high heaven. A dismissal of three prison officials doesn't begin to address the corruption perpetuated there. Granted that there were a few escapes in the U.S. just a few weeks ago, but this is no small scale daring-do. More people have to be in the know
The silliness of Trump's campaign aside - only to be surpassed by his garnering of 17% of the Republican vote in the poll - this escape stinks to high heaven. A dismissal of three prison officials doesn't begin to address the corruption perpetuated there. Granted that there were a few escapes in the U.S. just a few weeks ago, but this is no small scale daring-do. More people have to be in the know
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Bos - "Considering Donald Trump has decided to run his U.S. president campaign on the anti-Mexico platform, this is not helping."
That would more specifically be anti-Mexican ILLEGAL ALIEN platform. But don't let a few missing words in a definition ruin a good Democrat political agenda.
That would more specifically be anti-Mexican ILLEGAL ALIEN platform. But don't let a few missing words in a definition ruin a good Democrat political agenda.
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The answer to the lack of cooperation from Mexico is very simple: it is called History ! Read it and hopefully you will understand!!
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Every ones comments on here raise alot of light Bulbs, but for a person, running. For office and freedome of speech about how he feels about the boarder and the human beings of his dislike, just may have been the biggest blow for to countrys to work together
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A letter writer said don't blame the US consumer of drugs for all the drugs that come from Mexico into the US. I guess he never heard of the foundation of capitalism: supply and demand. How does that work? Let's see: you reduce the demand for the drugs and that reduces the supply. The US drug importers and exporters from Mexico are just simply filling a need.
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True....same with Alcohol and that Volstead Act a century ago. Take away folks' freedoms = empowering mafias and cartels. Under our Capitalist System, the fraudulent Drug War showers profits upon the DEA, Coast Guard and ancillary support forces. The US can teach Latin America a lot about corruption. Nobody HIDES it better than we do
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Extraditions had dropped to 54 in 2013 from 115 in 2012. Right about the time the President was declaring executive privilege, and the Attorney General was being held in contempt for all those assault rifles that somehow got to the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico and caused a few hundred deaths. Even though the American press failed to see the value of the story and was largely silent, it was and is a Big Deal in Mexico.
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The extraditions you mentioned should have increased from a dozen or two in 2000 to more than 15,000 in 2001... and gone up by at least 5% per year from that point forward. Think of how big this cannabis-market really is.
Of course, if there were no US law prohibiting cannabis possession/trafficking, that class of extraditions would number barely 20 or 30 per decade.
Of course, if there were no US law prohibiting cannabis possession/trafficking, that class of extraditions would number barely 20 or 30 per decade.
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No doubt President Pena Nieto is deeply disappointed in the timing of the jailbreak.
Guzman could have at least had the courtesy to wait until the President and his entourage of 300 had enjoyed a bit of their trip to France. Allowed them to admire their surroundings and sample the cuisine. Instead, Guzman escaped while the presidential plane was in the air, headed across the ocean. He turned Pena Nieto's landing on French soil into the complete opposite of Lindbergh's.
It was only scheduled to be a four day state visit. Guzman could have waited until it was over. What is four more days of confinement when all your needs are being met on the inside? The unwritten understanding between Guzman and the Mexican government surely calls for greater consideration among nominally opposing parties than this.
Guzman could have at least had the courtesy to wait until the President and his entourage of 300 had enjoyed a bit of their trip to France. Allowed them to admire their surroundings and sample the cuisine. Instead, Guzman escaped while the presidential plane was in the air, headed across the ocean. He turned Pena Nieto's landing on French soil into the complete opposite of Lindbergh's.
It was only scheduled to be a four day state visit. Guzman could have waited until it was over. What is four more days of confinement when all your needs are being met on the inside? The unwritten understanding between Guzman and the Mexican government surely calls for greater consideration among nominally opposing parties than this.
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The administration of Pena Nieto cannot and will not accept help from the US to find and extradite El Chapo to the US for prosecution and jail. He can reveals the names of high level corrupt Mexican officials in his payroll.
While the El Chapo is gone scotch free, Pena Nieto provides another embarrassing moment of Latin American tortilla republic comedy. He watches Mexican crack troops parading at the Champs Elysees on France's Bastille Day.
Garcia Marquez was absolutely correct when he said his novelas were not fiction. He was a Latin American chronist.
While the El Chapo is gone scotch free, Pena Nieto provides another embarrassing moment of Latin American tortilla republic comedy. He watches Mexican crack troops parading at the Champs Elysees on France's Bastille Day.
Garcia Marquez was absolutely correct when he said his novelas were not fiction. He was a Latin American chronist.
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Rephrase:
The administration of the USA cannot and will not offer realistic help from the US to find and extradite El Chapo to the US (or back to Mexico) for prosecution and jail. He can reveals the names of high level corrupt US officials in his payroll.
The administration of the USA cannot and will not offer realistic help from the US to find and extradite El Chapo to the US (or back to Mexico) for prosecution and jail. He can reveals the names of high level corrupt US officials in his payroll.
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Oh please. Just stop.
As long as the PRI is in power you can't expect anything to really change unless they really want it to... It's unfortunate but true. On the other hand, this situation is extremely embarrassing for the Mexican government and I am of the opinion that El Chapo is on a short list... either he will be eliminated by the Mexican Marines/Federal Police, or a rival cartel - or captured and extradited in short order to the US for trial. This time his options have run out. Ordinary Mexicans are really fed up with the violence and corruption and eventually will act.
To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld in the airport car reservation episode: "You know how to capture kingpins, you just don't know how to hold kingpins"
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Their was no predictions here, it was only a matter of when. Read Narcoland by Annabell Hernadez she tells how it really works with the double dealing dudes from Dixie.
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Whose was no predictions here?
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The Mexican government is not accepting US aid in recapturing Guzman because corrupt government, police, and prison officials, having facilitated his escape, have no interest in his recapture.
Unless, of course, afterwards they could sell him yet another escape.
Unless, of course, afterwards they could sell him yet another escape.
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Or maybe beacause we see the results of your interventions in Iraq, Afghanista, Vietnam, etc., etc.,.
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No offer of such help from the USA is realistic. They're in the business just as deep as Mexico is.
Ow ... Zing ... Pow ! Oh that's telling em' like it is. Ooo a Good one. Kinda off topic though ? Maybe stick to the subject with your petty Insults ?
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This article is written is absolutely true. Nothing is exaggerated and not skipped. It's rare for the media lately. I think this is the reason for the Mexican government start thinking, and begin to perform its basic function: to ensure the safety of its citizens.
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The arrogance of the US believing they should go "help" rearrest this billionaire is hilarious.
America's half a century "War on Drugs" created many narco-nations. Mexico is one of them. They are no different than Cuba before Castro. They are what America was becoming during Prohibition, but we out sourced our manufacturers. What insanity. Marijuana is Schedule ONE! Even today it is as bad for you as heroin or methamphetamine according to OUR government.
America's half a century "War on Drugs" created many narco-nations. Mexico is one of them. They are no different than Cuba before Castro. They are what America was becoming during Prohibition, but we out sourced our manufacturers. What insanity. Marijuana is Schedule ONE! Even today it is as bad for you as heroin or methamphetamine according to OUR government.
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Redux:
The USA created Guzman the same way they created Saddam.
What are the odds he'll be dealt with in similar fashion?
The USA created Guzman the same way they created Saddam.
What are the odds he'll be dealt with in similar fashion?
He will likely always be able to escape. With all his money and connections, there is no way to keep him in prison.
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The US must investigate all lobbyists who oppose legalization of drugs as well as those who work for the Mexican government. The drug war must end as should the flow of money to the Mexican government.
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It seems the entire country of Mexico is under the thumb of drug cartels. There is no law and order. They all look the other way. The drug cartels make life a little better for the people...spreading some of the $$ around....then hire them to transport the drugs to the US...but all the profit goes back to Mexico. The whole country is living off US backs...and we are allowing it. The people have been raised without any notion of honesty or integrity. They proudly parade over the border into this country without shame or guilt. It's about time we open our eyes before the Mexican/American politicians get elected and we become as corrupt as Mexico. THAT could very likely be their long-term goal.
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Become as corrupt as Mexico, you should wake up, we've been the big crook for a long time. It's business as the illegals know it here, our business owners are happy to hire you as fast as you can make up a ss #.
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"The whole country is living off US backs...and we are allowing it. The people have been raised without any notion of honesty or integrity." I agree. They need to learn that honesty and integrity lie in consuming drugs, not in supplying them.
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They don't make them up, they steal them. Without e-verify it's impossible to tell it's been stolen. You cannot distinguish between stolen or true. As an employer you cannot discriminate against someone in hiring just because you are not sure they are a citizen or not. We need e-verify now.
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When are we going to learn to stay out of other countries business? If they need our help they will ask for it. Poking our nose where it doesn't belong gets us in trouble regularly. Why is this so hard to understand?
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We really should mind Mexico's business a little more. Would it be to much for their government to have a job program other than haul this dope to the U.S.
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Not when we have 20 million illegal immigrants living in and off the US. Sorry, but if we're to stay out, we must keep them out!
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Guzman's outfit accounts for approx. 70% of all narco trafficking, when you also consider that some $30 billion per year for the last say, 15 years of trafficking, that's a lot of money, especially in Mexico. Where do you think all of that money goes? Some goes to paying off the pols and police there, most is reinvested in "legal" businesses such as big corporations(stocks) and small start up companies.. Why aren't the Mexican people doing something about this? Instead millions flee each year to the U.S. then complain that immigration laws are too strict? Yet, not one word from them and Mexican Americans in general about the basket case of a country Mexico has become.. nothing, nada!!! Some do however stay and fight for change and suffer the consequences from the inaction of the rest of their compatriots. Time for reevaluating our relationship with them, long overdue, but nothing will become of it.... Too much at stake for our need of cheap , slave type labor outweighs the health and safety of us all, here in the U.S. as well as in Mexico.
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'El Chapo' has more money behind him than the entire Mexican Government.
I see a Hollywood bio-pic in the making.
I see a Hollywood bio-pic in the making.
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"Shorty's" escape should come as no surprise. The only reason it took as long as it did was because of the time it took to dig the tunnel.
Let's all be honest here -- Mexico is a corrupt and incompetently run country. Their problems spill over the border into the Unites States in the form of illegal immigration and the U.S. has to spend our taxpayer money to deal with it including trying to stop it.
The escape plays right into Donald Trump's hands and in fact could not have been better timed. I have thought for a long time that Trump was nothing more than a clown in a suit and tie but his firm (albeit rather ham handed) stance against illegal immigration has, I admit, made me view him more positively.
I have no issue with people who want to immigrate to the United State legally but we cannot let everyone into this country who wants to come here. Our immigration laws must be followed and enforced unless we want to deal with complete chaos.
Let's all be honest here -- Mexico is a corrupt and incompetently run country. Their problems spill over the border into the Unites States in the form of illegal immigration and the U.S. has to spend our taxpayer money to deal with it including trying to stop it.
The escape plays right into Donald Trump's hands and in fact could not have been better timed. I have thought for a long time that Trump was nothing more than a clown in a suit and tie but his firm (albeit rather ham handed) stance against illegal immigration has, I admit, made me view him more positively.
I have no issue with people who want to immigrate to the United State legally but we cannot let everyone into this country who wants to come here. Our immigration laws must be followed and enforced unless we want to deal with complete chaos.
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Which is why we should do whatever it takes to secure our southern borders. The only reason Guzman was caught in 2014 was because the U.S. was involved in the search...BUT they would not let the US bring him here...now they are refusing any US aid in his capture. SO transparent.
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So you think he's coming here as an illegal immigrant? Somehow that seems far-fetched.
On the other hand, he has enough money to run for president here under the new system in the US.
On the other hand, he has enough money to run for president here under the new system in the US.
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"So you think he's coming here as an illegal immigrant?" Best and funniest line of the week.
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The U.S. economy has been very good to select communities and classes of business leaders and senior politicians - just Google auto industry growth in Mexico and you will understand why American workers cannot compete with low wages and robotic assembly and supply-chains. The Mexican government sends the U.S. it's poor and disparate and drugs in exchange for the bountiful tax-free profits from drug trading that some Mexican military generals and senior politicians had been noted by U.S. DEA as participants through acquiescence or benign neglect. The U.S. is between a 'rock and hard place' whenever Mexican drug cartels are active as the Mexican government refuses U.S. assistance while its own resources are clearly and historically incapable of catching, convicting and incarcerating leaders of Mexico's drug industry.
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In addition to the customers and the money for their drugs, I am afraid you forgot the other important element the U.S. supplies to the Mexicans. ie. the drug cartels. The GUNS
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At one time the money that was being sent from the US back to Mexico via Western Union by illegal and legal immigrants was 2nd only to Mexico's oil exports. Tell me why with billions of dollars flowing from the US into Mexico would the Mexican government do anything to stop the flow of illegals crossing the border into the US. It serves two purposes for Mexico, it removes unskilled labor from the country where they would be a drain on Mexico's treasury and, produces a steady cash flow of Yankee dollars into the Mexican economy.
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Mexico hoards those US dollars for good reason. A few years ago it used US dollars to buy 2000 long tonnes of Gold. That's a lot of gold even if it's for industrial purposes.
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For some reason I have a strange feeling in my gut that Guzman did not "escape" from this prison outside Mexico City; and that the whole escapade was an elaborate plan from the beginning starting sometime previous to the photos of him being arrested. He managed to buy off and corrupt the entire federal police force and staged an act wherein the whole thing was planned prior to his initial arrest. And the Mexican refusal to extradite him to the United States was part of the plan which involved the escape tunnel and the motorcycle he used in his moment of glory. This will make a great motion picture. I never fell off a turnip truck!
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The best way to force Enrique Pena Nieto to recapture Shorty is to put the brakes on economic development. We have a 50 year old treaty to provide refined propane for distribution throughout the entire country. I believe it is close to expiring. Perhaps put that back on the table. Nothing speaks louder than the traditional economic squeeze. Time to get serious and tighten our rules too. There are people on the Mexican side of the border who agree. One fellow in Agua Prieta proudly sports a large bumper sticker which reads: "Enrique Pena Nieto no es mi presidente." There are millions of other Mexicans who feel the same. I was worried that this new "Alianza" party, a "new reunion" of the PRI and the Green party, would give EPN his opening. If he wants to stick it in our eye, we can and should do the same. This runs against the grain of everything I want to see happen in MX, but it is getting time to pull up the welcome mat while the opaque Mexican federal and state governments have a whole new round of reorganizing the pisos and plazas. It's getting real old, folks! Don't give an inch to criminals. Short of closing the border, this may be the best way to "encourage" Mexico to put out the fires being started by the rich criminals who hold sway over the Mexican people.
Maybe it is time to do a complete cleanup like US feds did to the mafia criminals - so well portrayed in the movie "Casino". Overnight, the mafias' leaders and henchmen disappeared.
Maybe it is time to do a complete cleanup like US feds did to the mafia criminals - so well portrayed in the movie "Casino". Overnight, the mafias' leaders and henchmen disappeared.
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America domineering? Yes.
America imperialistic ? Yes
Mexicans corrupt? Yes
They are both right!
America imperialistic ? Yes
Mexicans corrupt? Yes
They are both right!
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The best way to force Enrique Prieto Nieto to recapture Shorty is to put the brakes on economic development. We have a 50 year old treaty to provide refined propane for distribution throughout the entire country. I believe it is close to expiring. Perhaps put that back on the table. Nothing speaks louder than the traditional economic squeeze. Time to get serious and tighten our rules too. There are people on the Mexican side of the border who agree. One fellow in Agua Prieta proudly sports a large bumper sticker which reads: "Enrique Prieto Nieto no es mi presidente." There are millions of other Mexicans who feel the same.
I was worried that this new "Alianza" party, a "new reunion" of the PRI and the Green party, would give EPN his opening. If he wants to stick it in our eye, we can and should do the same.
This runs against the grain of everything I want to see happen in MX, but it is getting time to pull up the welcome mat while the opaque Mexican federal and state governments have a whole new round of reorganizing the pisos and plazas. It's getting real old, folks! Don't give an inch to criminals.
Short of closing the border, this may be the best way to "encourage" Mexico to put out the fires being started by the rich criminals who hold sway over the Mexican people.
Maybe it is time to do a complete cleanup like US feds did to the mafia criminals - so well portrayed in the movie "Casino". Overnight, the mafias' leaders and henchmen disappeared.
I was worried that this new "Alianza" party, a "new reunion" of the PRI and the Green party, would give EPN his opening. If he wants to stick it in our eye, we can and should do the same.
This runs against the grain of everything I want to see happen in MX, but it is getting time to pull up the welcome mat while the opaque Mexican federal and state governments have a whole new round of reorganizing the pisos and plazas. It's getting real old, folks! Don't give an inch to criminals.
Short of closing the border, this may be the best way to "encourage" Mexico to put out the fires being started by the rich criminals who hold sway over the Mexican people.
Maybe it is time to do a complete cleanup like US feds did to the mafia criminals - so well portrayed in the movie "Casino". Overnight, the mafias' leaders and henchmen disappeared.
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it is looking more and more like at least some Mexican officials looked the other way, or even helped in this escape.
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The Mexican government deserves nothing from us. They are not an ally - period. I have no doubt that Guzman's escape was the result of corruption within the Mexican government at the very top and their refusal to accept our help only reinforces that position. We ought to do whatever we want at this point. All of the men and women that lost their lives putting this guy behind bars only to have the corrupt Mexican government undermine those sacrifices by allowing him to escape - I am disgusted.
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We ought to do whatever we want at this point. And may I guess what it is "we" want... how about invading a sovereign, oil-rich country for a change?
Off course, americans lack volition to say no to drugs. The hedononist/nihilist society blames mankind for their ill reputation as weapons wholesalers
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The wasteful and destructive US "war on drugs" created all the "drug lords". There's no point in throwing good money after bad by trying to "recapture" one.
The politicians responsible for wasting taxpayer dollars on these nonproductive activities should be held accountable. The money could be used much more productively to support our country.
The politicians responsible for wasting taxpayer dollars on these nonproductive activities should be held accountable. The money could be used much more productively to support our country.
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Did anyone look for this felon in San Francisco? Sadly, I'm quite serious.
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Truth is, he's safer in Mexico. That's why he never left. He has the money and influence to buy his escape and freedom.
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Or maybe Austin.
Mexico is a corrupt nation, controlled by drug lords, bribery of government officials, and the overt sanctioning of illegal emigration to the United States. Trump may be out of the politically correct mainstream, but he speaks truth to power. Build the wall. Build it high, build it deep. And make Mexico pay for it if they want to continue to export anything to the United States.
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What you are doing is a sophism. You start from a correct statement, but ended in a false argument.
Mexico's government is corrupt and criminal. Those are the guys that the U.S. should keep out, but those usually are very welcome to come with their billionaire investments. Instead they should be prosecuted by international law and no wall would be needed.
The illegal immigrants that you and Trump want out are hard working people coming because of the bad government in Mexico.
Mexico's government is corrupt and criminal. Those are the guys that the U.S. should keep out, but those usually are very welcome to come with their billionaire investments. Instead they should be prosecuted by international law and no wall would be needed.
The illegal immigrants that you and Trump want out are hard working people coming because of the bad government in Mexico.
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People will climb up and over and crawl under a wall. It's a waste of time. Illegal immigration could have been stopped on a dime long ago by fining and/or jailing Americans who employ them.
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Your "Wall" didn't stop the Bronfman's from importing illegal alcohol into the US a hundred years ago. Only Legalization did. Same for drugs. You're just Walling in your own bad self, fool!
The widespread corruption probably exists in the DEA too. As part of the high paying drug war empire, they have a vested interest in keeping pot illegal, and their retirement plans on track and well financed. Legal pot in America would put a huge dent in the Mexican cartel's net worth, as well as the prison industrial complex in America - the worst gulag on the planet, and a disgraceful aspect of contemporary America.
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Seems like there's plenty of hypocrisy on both sides of the border, but in Mexico they're a little less hypocritical about it.
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Any outsider, i.e. Americans, probing into Mexico will find criminality and corruption so endemic in policing and politics, that there will be just a blur where the law should be drawn. Pretty embarrassing for a country hoping for a thriving tourist industry and an image of social progression (like gay marriage). At this rate, another 13 years on the lam would be probable before recapture.
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P.R.I. has always been known for being lenient on the cartels. I'm sure the culpability for Guzman's escape goes to the very top of the government. Not wanting to cooperate with America just reinforces that suspicion. A combination of mega money and/or death threats on the part of the bad guys will soften any local and federal politician or law enforcement official in Mexico to look the other way when it comes to cartel execs flying the coop.
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The Mexicans still harbor great resentment of the colossus to the North. Mexican officials, bureaucrats, historians and ordinary citizen view the United States as the great invader that stole the lands of the Southwest, California and Texas. Mexicans view their immigration to the U.S. both legal and illegal as a right. It is their own country they are migrating to. Mexican politicians have stoked the flames of fear of American intervention as a threat against Mexican sovereignty. America will invade again and take over.
Of course those fears are baseless but if you have no job, no future and the drug cartels rule through violence then paranoia about America is a normal reaction. The politics of Mexico demand the vilification of America. Mexico believes that the drug cartels would not exist if Americans did not demand drugs. In other words the social upheaval, corruption and violence in Mexico is the fault of America. Allowing American drones to fly over Mexico threatens its sovereignty and security. Americans are not just spying on the drug cartels but on the Mexican government and people. Mexico will work to secure its southern border but does not accept that any border should exist in the North. Cooperation with the Americans undermines the claims to the Northern States of Mexico in the United States.
There is only one way to end the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants from Mexico. Seal the border. Mexico needs to know where its border ends and the United States begin.
Of course those fears are baseless but if you have no job, no future and the drug cartels rule through violence then paranoia about America is a normal reaction. The politics of Mexico demand the vilification of America. Mexico believes that the drug cartels would not exist if Americans did not demand drugs. In other words the social upheaval, corruption and violence in Mexico is the fault of America. Allowing American drones to fly over Mexico threatens its sovereignty and security. Americans are not just spying on the drug cartels but on the Mexican government and people. Mexico will work to secure its southern border but does not accept that any border should exist in the North. Cooperation with the Americans undermines the claims to the Northern States of Mexico in the United States.
There is only one way to end the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants from Mexico. Seal the border. Mexico needs to know where its border ends and the United States begin.
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Jay, your comment is very well written, and you perfectly picture the Mexican point of view about the US.
But, "to end the flow of drugs" is a fallacy. You would need to close all borders, air and ocean ports. Sort of a quarantine and the next day you would have millions dying of withdrawal syndrome.
But, "to end the flow of drugs" is a fallacy. You would need to close all borders, air and ocean ports. Sort of a quarantine and the next day you would have millions dying of withdrawal syndrome.
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In 1848, there were approximately 2,000 Mexican Nationals in what is now California. There were less than 50,000 Native Peoples, the Spanish/Mexicans having killed upwards of 200,000 of them, purposefully or not.Their goal for the Native People was enslavement. They took 'California' by conquest, they same way they lost it.
The Mexicans lost their fight with the US settlers in California, who numbered in the neighborhood of 30 to 50,000, leading to the short-lived California Republic. (Check out our flag.) By 1849, there were over 100,000 US citizens in CA. Mexico never controlled California and they formally 'lost' the territory the same way they gained it; by force.
Stop whining.
The Mexicans lost their fight with the US settlers in California, who numbered in the neighborhood of 30 to 50,000, leading to the short-lived California Republic. (Check out our flag.) By 1849, there were over 100,000 US citizens in CA. Mexico never controlled California and they formally 'lost' the territory the same way they gained it; by force.
Stop whining.
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Unfortunately too much money is involved on both sides of the border to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the the US. The choke points where the drugs enter the country are probably in on it as well. I would guess that for that kind of money dock workers and law enforcement officials to some degree are involved sort of like the Al Capone prohibition days when the judges, law enforcement and civilian dock workers all were on Al's payroll. Where is Elliot Ness when you need him
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Why does the Obama Administratiom continue to ignore the disgusting murders, mass graves, beheadings, journalists killed, politicians assassinated all under a blanket of deception by the Mexican govt?
The Mexican Cartels have killed many more Americans than Al Quaeda. Yet Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry and all the members of Congress do nothing to defend our life and liberty and prevent these foreign goons from destroying American society. It feels like the summer before 9/11 when Bush and Condaleeza Rice were repeatedly warned and did nothing.
For Obama, the ignored anarchy is next door in Mexico.
The Mexican Cartels have killed many more Americans than Al Quaeda. Yet Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry and all the members of Congress do nothing to defend our life and liberty and prevent these foreign goons from destroying American society. It feels like the summer before 9/11 when Bush and Condaleeza Rice were repeatedly warned and did nothing.
For Obama, the ignored anarchy is next door in Mexico.
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Another vote for Donald Trump and his anti-Mexican platform!
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Are you that ignorant? You don't know that Obama has increased deportations drastically more than previous presidents?
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If you mean anti-Mexican criminals, make that two votes, but I still want my grass cut, my drywall projects completed and someone to prepare food to eat at restaurants. When will American kids and the un- and under employed in this country get off their butts and work at jobs they are qualified for? We need to stop rewarding laziness with handouts in this country.
I'm sure they want to find Guzman, just as soon as the bribe money they have now runs out.
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When I lived in Mexico I learned quickly to always carry a wallet with a twenty dollar bill in it. I can't tell you how many times I was pulled over by the Mexican police and told I owed a 150 dollar fine for whatever the infraction was and that they would not take me to jail if I gave them what I had in American dollars...they had no interest in pesos. I would open the wallet and say I only had 20 dollars, give it to them and they would let me go. It was like paying a toll. Likewise, if you put gas in your car, you had to get out of your car and watch the pump as they put the gas in, or the number would jump 100 pesos. Mexico is corrupt through and through. From the gas pump guy, to the government guy who lived down the road, where the road abruptly stopped being maintained, it's in the DNA. While I may not like the way DT is generalizing about Mexicans, I know that at least in the tiny town I lived in, the drugs, gangs and guns were all supplied by people who were deported from the US and the police and military were as much involved as anyone. Amazing how this guy can build a tunnel, but there are no sewage or water systems in much of the country, no payola in that effort.
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Same story here. But I used to ask the officer if I could just pay the fine to him instead of having to go down to the police station. If a twenty didn't work, a hundred always would. The Gringos that got thrown in jail didn't seem to understand the system and/or didn't have extra cash hidden away somewhere. It's all a game.
I really hate comments like DS's. They tell tales of horrific corruption but are always vague on the details. Where in Mexico did DS live? How long ago did he live there? He doesn't say. Just tells us that "Mexico is corrupt through and through."
Now for some specifics: I've lived in Guanajuato, Mexico, for fifteen years. I've traveled in most parts of the country--by plane, bus, trains, and, mostly, car. Unlike DS, I actually CAN "tell you how many times [I've been] pulled over by the Mexican police and told I owed a 150 dollar fine": ZERO times. And when I fill up with gas, the attendant almost always calls my attention to the fact that he's zeroed the pump.
I don't deny that Mexico is corrupt. But the extent of the corruption is grossly exaggerated, thanks to comments like DS's. Keep in mind that the U.S. is corrupt, too. The difference is that, up there, you tend to make corruption legal. See Citizens United.
Now for some specifics: I've lived in Guanajuato, Mexico, for fifteen years. I've traveled in most parts of the country--by plane, bus, trains, and, mostly, car. Unlike DS, I actually CAN "tell you how many times [I've been] pulled over by the Mexican police and told I owed a 150 dollar fine": ZERO times. And when I fill up with gas, the attendant almost always calls my attention to the fact that he's zeroed the pump.
I don't deny that Mexico is corrupt. But the extent of the corruption is grossly exaggerated, thanks to comments like DS's. Keep in mind that the U.S. is corrupt, too. The difference is that, up there, you tend to make corruption legal. See Citizens United.
I'm mexicans and a reader of the NYT. The escape hurt us as mexicans. We appreciate US help, but we have to arrest El Chapo in our way because is a monster and your officials dont have any respect for the lives of innocent people in México. If you are angry like mexicans, please stop selling guns to drug cartels and stop consumption of drugs or legalize it.
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Good. Out of national pride, also take back the ten million who left to get away from you and your useless promises.
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LOL!
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obedfloresmx - "If you are angry like mexicans, please stop selling guns to drug cartels and stop consumption of drugs or legalize it."
I am sure there are many, many other countries around the world that are selling guns to the drug lords. The US does not have the monopoly on that activity. As for stopping the consumption or legalizing it how will that deter the drug lords? Consumption world wide will not stop there are already markets opened around the world and legalizing it will add taxes to its cost.
You will still be able to buy cheap, untaxed dope from El Chapo's organization. But don't blame the seller blame the consumer, right!
I am sure there are many, many other countries around the world that are selling guns to the drug lords. The US does not have the monopoly on that activity. As for stopping the consumption or legalizing it how will that deter the drug lords? Consumption world wide will not stop there are already markets opened around the world and legalizing it will add taxes to its cost.
You will still be able to buy cheap, untaxed dope from El Chapo's organization. But don't blame the seller blame the consumer, right!
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...and that "house" that was being built one mile away from the prison fences? How long did prison and government authorities notice that house and not figure out "Chapo" was going to escape? It's so obvious, Sherlock Holmes would have declined to take the case.
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Legalize, like Fox wanted and nobody would give a f, oh I forgot, too many people's jobs depend upon the incarceration of people for their personal consumption of material, whether organic or not, control freaks with machine guns, fences and armies. Run chapo run.
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So first Donald Trump says something bad about Mexicans; then, the Chapo dude escapes and, according to DT, is out there to get him. Now, everyone is supposed to forget what DT had said and sympathize with his concern. What a coincidence that these two should have something in common! This all sounds like a telenovela.
Unfortunately, just like my home country, Mexico suffers from endemic corruption in all levels of the government. Even more unfortunate, and just like Brazil as well, corruption is part of their culture. Not much future for any.
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Yes, the corruption is a reallity, but not a fatality or cultural issue. I dont know we are you living now, but mexicans are fighting against corruption and we will eliminate it.
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They are a failed state and a narco terrorist state. I would suggest there are other places to go for vacation. And forget about border control. Tunnels trump border guards.
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Americans are the ones using the narcotics, and Americans are the ones selling the guns to the gangsters. But do blame the Mexicans.
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Or you could stop selling guns to drug cartels and stop consumption of drugs or legalize it.
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There is a distinction between American criminals and American government operatives fighting those very criminals. There is little distinction between Mexican criminals and corrupt Mexican government operatives that insulate those criminals from punishment - they are one-in-the-same.
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Really this is a no-brainer, All we need to do is look at the aerial view of the prison. The construction site is the ONLY activity that clearly might hold the tunneling activity. Just as soon as it started in Feb. 2014 it ought to have drawn immediate concern by those in charge of holding El Chapo. They would have had it under constant surveillance and gotten warrants to search it regularly. Where else nearby would that dirt be easily concealed?
So a decision NOT to look closely at the construction site was made at the top. Money to be left alone was paid and the tunnel work was done under that cover. Millions flowed into the pockets of key prison officials for sure. So why are we surprised that the Mexicans don't want us hot on the trail of this little monster?
Moreover, the political ramifications of embarrassing the current president were certainly played out heavily in the usual backhanded justification for letting Guzman slip away. President Nieto has taken a big hit just as planned and the USA gets stiffed again.
Kinda reminds me of a Keystone Cops Cantinflas flick where the bumbling is so sly and off the cuff that it's almost laughable. The Mexicans love that foolishness so much they will just shrug it off and make several songs about it. Meanwhile, Shorty's legendary wealth puts the world to shame and mocks the corrupt system he enjoys.
I think that the US also had a responsibility to monitor by satellite. I wonder if they did take note of the construction
So a decision NOT to look closely at the construction site was made at the top. Money to be left alone was paid and the tunnel work was done under that cover. Millions flowed into the pockets of key prison officials for sure. So why are we surprised that the Mexicans don't want us hot on the trail of this little monster?
Moreover, the political ramifications of embarrassing the current president were certainly played out heavily in the usual backhanded justification for letting Guzman slip away. President Nieto has taken a big hit just as planned and the USA gets stiffed again.
Kinda reminds me of a Keystone Cops Cantinflas flick where the bumbling is so sly and off the cuff that it's almost laughable. The Mexicans love that foolishness so much they will just shrug it off and make several songs about it. Meanwhile, Shorty's legendary wealth puts the world to shame and mocks the corrupt system he enjoys.
I think that the US also had a responsibility to monitor by satellite. I wonder if they did take note of the construction
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Azam great article from a diplomatic point of view, but I believe it misses the point: why Mexico, Guatemala Honduras or El Salvador fail to cooperate. It is in great part the failed drug policy and mixed signals from American society 21st century values (ie. legalization/tolerance for drug use). Citizens in these countries who are suffering the collateral damage of the failed policy, are fed- up with what appears a two-faced reality of American policy. On the other hand, the political class in Central America (and MX), corrupt and rent-seeking, reflects this frustration in their actions.
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Considering their involment?
Shocked.
Mexicans are good people.
Their govenment is not.
Shocked.
Mexicans are good people.
Their govenment is not.
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This is why I have always laughed at the ignorant argument that demand in the US "creates" the cartels, like some law of physics. The majority of Mexican people are decent and have chosen not to join cartels. The world-wide demand for drugs has not "caused" the majority to join cartels. They have chosen to keep their integrity. Drug lords choose to become drug lords.
A multi-billionaire like Guzman, who has his tentacles across Mexico (government and law enforcement included), in the US, and may be even in So America, can bribe with impunity, and stay free.
The unending thirst for illegal drugs like heroin, in all these countries ( especially the US) will ensure that "king Chapo' remains on the loose and continues to run his evil empire...
The unending thirst for illegal drugs like heroin, in all these countries ( especially the US) will ensure that "king Chapo' remains on the loose and continues to run his evil empire...
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“The Mexicans think we are domineering and imperialist, and we think they are corrupt”
Correct and correct.
Correct and correct.
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If we were domineering and imperialist, we'd have never asked Mexico if they'd like our help. We'd have simply rolled in and taken care of business.
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We are domineering and imperialist, but both Mexico and USA are corrupt, although USA is number #1 by a long shot in EVERY category.
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Believe me, we're also corrupt. Car ignition switches, drug companies in bed with FDA, poison chemical flame retardants, trans-fats still in our food: big money corruption alive and well in the USA.
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Not hard to understand not accepting help from the U.S. How else would these officials from the highest levels be able to get filthy rich from released drug lords? However, as corrupt as they are, there would not be these drug lords, the misery, the massacres of innocents, the rich payoffs without the SORRY UNITED STATES CITIZENS snorting or shooting up. Those are the ones I'd like to deport.
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Unfortunately that isn't going to happen when here is so much money to be made off of the entire enforcement and incarceration industry. But if the users were deported to Mexico maybe that would make them think twice about the habit.
Just keep in mind, there would be no such thing as a "Mexican Drug Kingpin" if it wasn't for the overwhelming support of American drug purchasers.
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true but without a drug market these drug lords, like their us counterparts after prohibition, would just move into other fields like unions, garbage collection, gambling, etc. Where these is a will there is a way. The existence of the US (or not) would probably not impose limits on this entrepreneurial spirit.
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or is that the other way around?
Not to mention American drug laws that drive the purchasers into the arms of said "Mexican Drug Kingpin."
The heading of this article is no surprise considering El Chapo had to have paid off prison guards, wardens, and most of the Mexican government to escape. How else could anyone build an underground tunnel leading up to a prison without anyone knowing about it?
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I guess I've been under a rock and don't really understand how El Chapo escaped. Really?? where is everybody with a mind--of course he got away. Lets see- 1. rich, 2. a legend and 3. too many people out there getting paid enormous amounts of cash to help this man. and WHY would the U.S. think they would be allowed to join in the search. the DEA is
DEA(D) on this one, believing everyone is on the same side. we are NOT. just Dumb & Dumber Part 3. not funny.
DEA(D) on this one, believing everyone is on the same side. we are NOT. just Dumb & Dumber Part 3. not funny.
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Well put, bro. Rest assured that when the US mounts a "WAR," whether against Poverty or Drugs or whatever.....it's bound to be a massive fraud against American taxpayers. The day they legalize all drugs.....that's when the cartels are finally doomed.....and the DEA, CIA agents will need to find REAL jobs....
Hmm, keeping law enforcement on both sides of the border at bay?
It couldn't be that Mexican officials at the highest level, including their president, have been paid off?
It couldn't be that Mexican officials at the highest level, including their president, have been paid off?
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I think it's safe to say that the illegal drug market is a fairly significant contributor to Mexico's GDP.
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Narcotics are as important to Mexico as oil is to Saudi Arabia.
They told us that they could handle him all alone when they first captured him. We asked to extradite him to the US to be tried and sentenced here. He would have been put in a place where his influence is much less than in Mexico.
The Mexicans refused.
Then he broke out of their prison.
They took many more years to finally capture him while meanwhile he and his people murdered many Mexicans and caused a reign of terror. Of course, the destruction due to his drugs must be added to this picture.
Now, once again, the Mexicans have shown the entire world that the are incapable of dealing with this fiend on their own.
But their denial and machismo are infinite.
So let them show the entire world what they can do with their corrupt prisons, local police and government.
The Mexicans refused.
Then he broke out of their prison.
They took many more years to finally capture him while meanwhile he and his people murdered many Mexicans and caused a reign of terror. Of course, the destruction due to his drugs must be added to this picture.
Now, once again, the Mexicans have shown the entire world that the are incapable of dealing with this fiend on their own.
But their denial and machismo are infinite.
So let them show the entire world what they can do with their corrupt prisons, local police and government.
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it does not take much to show the world how corrupt mexico is. I was there once and the police pulled me over for "speeding" and demanded money on the spot.
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A valuable lesson you should have learned. Go to Mexico you should not!
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Same here.
Not speeding, but "illegal left turn" There was no sign anywhere visible that would have indicated no left turn.
He demanded 1000 pesos and then let me go.
Never again will I travel to Mexico.
Not speeding, but "illegal left turn" There was no sign anywhere visible that would have indicated no left turn.
He demanded 1000 pesos and then let me go.
Never again will I travel to Mexico.
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The Mexicans should have been more open to collaboration. Should have swapped Guzman for a couple of our prisoners from New York. Seriously, they need to forget the pride thing and just work together with the Americans.
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Pride has nothing to do with it. We might actually find him
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"The Mexicans" don't want El Chapo to be caught. It's not in the interest of those who rule the nation to allow him to fall into US hands.
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Why should they allow a foreign country to invade their country? American drug agents have done plenty of harm to innocent people in Mexico and elsewhere, with impunity. Horribly arrogant of the U. S. govt.
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"Sometimes, the Americans would share information and push for a raid that never happened, for reasons never explained, officials said. In other cases, suspects would disappear, sometimes after finding out that they were on the government’s radar."
It's hard to see this and not conclude that the current Mexican government has at least some elements who are slowing things down so their criminal associates/political benefactors can elude arrest.
It's hard to see this and not conclude that the current Mexican government has at least some elements who are slowing things down so their criminal associates/political benefactors can elude arrest.
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