Give Rose a second chance. Everyone today in sports gets a second chance. One example the NFL QB Michael Vick . There are many more examples.
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Lift the ban? Are they kidding? "Long enough"?
I thought baseball was a game of integrity?
I thought baseball was a game of integrity?
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Please correct me if I am wrong. Pete Rose DID bet on games. But he bet on his team winning as I recall. Did he engage in points for or against? That could suggest his tampering with results obviously. Considering all the stuff going on in all professional sports it seems to me that Rose is pretty clean relatively speaking!
you can bet on your team winning and still make decisions that are influenced because you've bet on them winning. pulling or keeping in a pitcher for a different period of time, for example......
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He bet when he was a manager. But I don't think he did so as a player.
Why does rule 21 distinguish between the two?... "Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee,"
I see a mile wide loophole. Banish the Manager, enshrine the Player.
Why does rule 21 distinguish between the two?... "Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee,"
I see a mile wide loophole. Banish the Manager, enshrine the Player.
Great player, lousy person. Keep him out.
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Don't I remember that Rose agreed to his lifetime ban, or is this another case of Fox, et al., rewriting history and creating facts to fit their agenda?
I could not care less if Fox and Rose get together. They deserve each other.
Rose, however, does not deserve admittance to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I could not care less if Fox and Rose get together. They deserve each other.
Rose, however, does not deserve admittance to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Gad...to think...my grandfather took me to watch him play his rookie year, I heard it live on radio when he failed to set the base-hit record and when he was banned...and now, in my opinion, rock bottom.
From what I've read, every MLB locker room has a sign prohibiting betting on baseball. Pete Rose ignored that sign, brought known gamblers into the Reds' locker room, and, to top it all off, welshed on his losing bets.
After he was caught and he accepted the lifetime ban, Rose publicly denied the charges for 15 years, finally coming clean in 2004. Rose's actions as a gambler and liar outweigh his stellar career as a player. He doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame.
After he was caught and he accepted the lifetime ban, Rose publicly denied the charges for 15 years, finally coming clean in 2004. Rose's actions as a gambler and liar outweigh his stellar career as a player. He doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame.
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I don't think what Pete Rose did to baseball compares to what George Bush did to the US.
Though we should never forgive Bush and his cronies, Rose has paid his dues.
MLB scandals go far beyond Pete Rose, and indeed he would seem to be an appropriate fit for the likes of fox media.
Though we should never forgive Bush and his cronies, Rose has paid his dues.
MLB scandals go far beyond Pete Rose, and indeed he would seem to be an appropriate fit for the likes of fox media.
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He's working full time in Las Vegas?? Well, that sure doesn't make anyone forget the reason he's been banned from Baseball.
So the best way to make people stop thinking you're a bad guy is to become a commentator on Fox?
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I didn't think Rose was allowed to wear branded MLB apparel as part of his exile. Maybe the C stands for "cheater".
Yes, twenty-six years is long enough. By reinstating Rose MLB can make itself appear the hero in this drama by "forgiving" Rose of his "sin." MLB can improve its own image greatly.
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Pete Rose is no saint , however there are many in the '' Hall of Fame" that have done far worse thing in baseball and other currently & recently did with PED's to the records. I don't understand why Baseball cannot come to terms with Mr. Rose and he needs to finally come clean 100% for good of the game and as an example all others. Who among us has not made mistakes , forgiveness and a 2nd chance is or was the American way. I for one feel he deserves that and good for Fox for hiring him.
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What you call "far worse" is only your way of evaluating things. Pete Rose broke the one unbreakable rule that is posted in every clubhouse. He agreed and accepted his banishment from baseball for life. It is past time to stop this nonsense. Lifetime means lifetime.
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And what if Pete Rose forgave Jim Gray for ambushing him? (See Game 2 of the 1999 World Series)
Teachable moments ...
Teachable moments ...
Hallelujah (joy)! Thank you Fox, well deserved and overdue. This country believes in giving people a second chance. Pete Rose (Charlie Hustle) should be in the Hall of Fame.
Robert
Robert
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Charles Manson get a second chance. I know that is an extreme example but that does disprove your statement about giving people second chances. This country is full of people who never got a second chance. Maybe they didn't deserve one and neither does Pete.
Betting in baseball—especially a manager betting on his own team—turns MLB into WWW. Lying about it for 15 years is a separate an serious offense. This ban should not be lifted. Period.
It should also be understood that Rose's exclusion from the Hall of Fame ballot is not directly connected to his suspension from MLB. The Hall and MLB are separate and independent institutions. All the baseball writers have to do is put Rose on the ballot, then tabulate the votes. Guessing Rose would not get the required vote.
It should also be understood that Rose's exclusion from the Hall of Fame ballot is not directly connected to his suspension from MLB. The Hall and MLB are separate and independent institutions. All the baseball writers have to do is put Rose on the ballot, then tabulate the votes. Guessing Rose would not get the required vote.
It's not that simple. In 1991 the HOF instituted a rule banning anyone who has been placed on the permanently ineligible list by MLB. where Rose has resided since 1989. If MLB keeps him on the list, the HOF would have to change its own rule, which is highly unlikely. Only after all of this would the baseball writers get their chance.
So he gets yet anither forum from which to lie. OK, he bet on games involving his own team. He should just go away amd shut up like the embarassment that he is.
"Analyst" ? What's Pete qualified to analyze ? Is he going to set the line on upcoming games ? Pete gambled on baseball and is quite rightly banned from baseball for life. Baseball could not survive if the perception was that gamblers could influence the outcome of games. Pete Rose should be forgotten. Fox should be ashamed.
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Let's be honest here: Pete Rose possesses no more insight about baseball than a hundred other former players do, and in fact he is several generations removed from his playing days; the modern game is better represented by those who played it more recently.
It is also unconscionable to allow him to earn a single dollar from the game he so willingly besmirched. Fox is scraping the bottom of the pool with this act. I for one reject it out of hand.
All this talk about "long enough" seeks to somehow whitewash an unforgivable, intolerable act: betting on actual games. Judge Landis had it completely right: lifetime banishment, no exception, no reconsideration. That rule has kept baseball clean from scandals that have consumed football and basketball; so certain is the punishment that it's simply not worth the, pardon the pun, gamble.
Fox has chosen to associate itself with a man who will forever be remembered as having blown certain Hall Of Fame membership by committing the sin of all sins. This tells us more about Fox' character than it does about Pete's desperate desire to become relevant again.
Pete, you'll always be relevant: You are the number one bad guy in this beautiful game, unless some other lock-down Hall Of Famer is senseless enough to do what you did.
It is also unconscionable to allow him to earn a single dollar from the game he so willingly besmirched. Fox is scraping the bottom of the pool with this act. I for one reject it out of hand.
All this talk about "long enough" seeks to somehow whitewash an unforgivable, intolerable act: betting on actual games. Judge Landis had it completely right: lifetime banishment, no exception, no reconsideration. That rule has kept baseball clean from scandals that have consumed football and basketball; so certain is the punishment that it's simply not worth the, pardon the pun, gamble.
Fox has chosen to associate itself with a man who will forever be remembered as having blown certain Hall Of Fame membership by committing the sin of all sins. This tells us more about Fox' character than it does about Pete's desperate desire to become relevant again.
Pete, you'll always be relevant: You are the number one bad guy in this beautiful game, unless some other lock-down Hall Of Famer is senseless enough to do what you did.
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never is long enough. no he doesn't get to say sorry and we smile back. maybe you don't remember the brazen nasty lying when he was caught.
This is great news. As a Philadelphia and 10 years old when the Phillies won the series in 1980, Pete Rose is still my child hero. Everyone deserves a second chance. MLB can't look beyond their own spiteful nose. If you want to get technical there are several people based on their character should not be in the hall, Ty Cobb being one of them. I think Pete Rose is great for baseball.
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Ty Cobb didn't bet in games involving his own team. Do you see the difference now.
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I will tune in to watch Pete.
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Let me get this straight. A former player coaches a team, bets over and over again on the other team his team is playing, knowing his starting pitcher is off one day, his relief corps is depleted in some games on another, will he be sharing his "insider" information with the rest of us this time around? I would bet he wouldn't.
Chuck Barris would be proud. Pete Rose is a walking Gong Show.
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Pete took the hit, while baseball commissioners ignored players with far more serious habits and activities. The worst part of the whole deal was that Pete played his heart out every game. He constantly sacrificed his body for that extra base or seemingly unreachable ball. He was the idol of every kid who played baseball for the love of the game.
Get Pete into Cooperstown. Get out the highlight reels. Pete makes NFL players look like pampered runway models who don't want to break a nail. Pete was the end of an era, a time when kids played sports for fun. There was no long term goal, like a free ride through college or a pro contract. The country is full of beautifully manicured public baseball fields that sit empty all day. Pete is a reminder of the days when we etched home plate and bases in dirt with a stick. Then we played until the stitching and electrical tape wouldn't hold the ball together.
Get Pete into Cooperstown. Get out the highlight reels. Pete makes NFL players look like pampered runway models who don't want to break a nail. Pete was the end of an era, a time when kids played sports for fun. There was no long term goal, like a free ride through college or a pro contract. The country is full of beautifully manicured public baseball fields that sit empty all day. Pete is a reminder of the days when we etched home plate and bases in dirt with a stick. Then we played until the stitching and electrical tape wouldn't hold the ball together.
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This is the best move Fox ever made. On baseball, we judge people on how they played the game. I grew up watching Pete Rose play the game. Nobody played as hard as he did. It has always been his whole life. Baseball has gone down hill since his departure and the Dodgers moving out of Brooklyn.
All I can say is welcome back Pete.
All I can say is welcome back Pete.
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To Times Readers:
Commentary on a TV sports chat show, OK. Autographing in Vegas, alright, he needs work. HOF, who cares.
But "back in" MLB, no. Never.
Submitted by ROGER LATZGO www.rogerlatzgo.com Germansville PA
Commentary on a TV sports chat show, OK. Autographing in Vegas, alright, he needs work. HOF, who cares.
But "back in" MLB, no. Never.
Submitted by ROGER LATZGO www.rogerlatzgo.com Germansville PA
Time to lift the ban.
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The decision that Fox is exploring is increased gambling on baseball and the "management" of games to make them more salable to viewers. If that sounds like game fixing it's because that's what it is. Fox is working behind the scenes to induce more hitting, more runs, more gambling, and more competition in standings. Pete Rose is only the beginning.
Baseball is a game that's easy to fix. Will the government continue to look the other way? Fox and fix are almost the same word.
Baseball is a game that's easy to fix. Will the government continue to look the other way? Fox and fix are almost the same word.
Please! Next we will have a Rose & ARod tag team reporting on players' sins and forgiveness. That would add to the rattings.
It's time to move on. Charley Hustle has been punished long enough. It will be fascinating to hear his take on players and teams in both leagues. He made a mistake. He has paid the price. Reinstate him and let's move forward. He's the best hitter in the history of the game and belongs in the game's Hall of Fame.
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This talk of Pete's sins... My Gosh, what psychological purpose does this serve for all these folks to continue to lash the man for "his sins". Whether you want him in the Hall or not - please turn the page in your phraseology and recognize that Rose is a fascinating wealth of knowledge when talking baseball - it is a sad waste - he really is an excellent ambassador for baseball. And I wonder how many of the folks who label him with the lifetime label rather than as a unique and doggone good ball player have screwed up - whether in the Hall or not he is a fascinating source of baseball information and enthusiasm
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There is, and has been for decades, a huge sign in every Major League locker room informing anyone inside that room that betting on baseball is simply not acceptable on any level. Rose lived in those locker rooms for decades. He knew the consequences. And he lied about his involvement for many years precisely because he knew the consequences.
Now he doesn't want to live with the consequences any longer. As they say, life is difficult. He already made his choices. There is no reason to reinstate him. Being on the ineligible list doesn't prevent him from working; it doesn't interfere with his livelihood; it prevents him from being admitted to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Consequences.
Now he doesn't want to live with the consequences any longer. As they say, life is difficult. He already made his choices. There is no reason to reinstate him. Being on the ineligible list doesn't prevent him from working; it doesn't interfere with his livelihood; it prevents him from being admitted to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Consequences.
Change the hall of fame criteria and leave it at that. The BBWA should be able to do that without lifting MLB's lifetime ban on Rose. Simply strike the words "integrity, sportsmanship, character" from the election rules. Then Bonds and Clemens and A-Roid can get in, too.
Or, toss out racists like Ty Cobb, drunks like Mickey Mantle, and cheaters like Willie Mays (a party to the 1951 signal and NL pennant stealing scandal)!
Full disclosure: I have a mint Pete Rose rookie card that I hope to cash in.
Or, toss out racists like Ty Cobb, drunks like Mickey Mantle, and cheaters like Willie Mays (a party to the 1951 signal and NL pennant stealing scandal)!
Full disclosure: I have a mint Pete Rose rookie card that I hope to cash in.
Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, with an asterisk if necessary. The steroid cheats? Banned forever plus a season. Two entirely different crimes.
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how much you wanna bet pete doesn't finish out the season in the broadcasting booth........(woops)
A recent article by the New York Times, focuses on celebrity publicity using the ever so popular social media platform today – Instagram. It is called The Shade Room where contributors take snapshots of celebrities accompanied by witty captions. After finding this account on Instagram, I found that like tabloids today it is almost like an online celebrity gossip magazine. For example, the latest celebrity couple breakup to candid snapshots of celebrities out and about. I learned that within on two weeks, “The Shade Room” gained nearly 10,000 followers, which is pretty remarkable. With so much social media content out there, I always wonder how people, brands, or businesses gain such a following.
How does one appeal to such a wide audience and gain so many like with just a single photo or tweet? In relation to marketing communication, this is one example in which professionals try to strive for – a following and get more people interested which is a difficult thing to do. I think what stands out with – The Shade Room is that, its raw celebrity media.
How does one appeal to such a wide audience and gain so many like with just a single photo or tweet? In relation to marketing communication, this is one example in which professionals try to strive for – a following and get more people interested which is a difficult thing to do. I think what stands out with – The Shade Room is that, its raw celebrity media.
The case for Pete Rose's reinstatement has long been based on the argument that passive-aggressive fixing (when and when not to wager on your own team, especially when you are managing it and therefore can influence lineups and pitching changes in a way to try to maximize your gambles) is a lesser violation than fixing (wagering on your own team to lose, or accepting money beforehand and then working toward such an outcome). Rose himself has never understood or at least pretended not to understand how badly the game was hurt by his actions while manager of the Reds.
This was not a case of a player betting on himself/his team and it was not a case of a player betting against himself/his team. But Rose didn't just "bet on baseball" as the line goes; he bet on games where he had disproportionate influence on the outcome. The Dowd report captures all of this very well. Rose also accepted lifetime ineligibility in 1989. I do think Manfred is looking for a way to reinstate him, despite the unforced errors Pete has committed since he finally 'fessed up. This kind of showmanship and crass commercialism alienated Rose's core constituency, the very Veterans Committee post-1972 era Hall of Fame voters he will need to gain access to Cooperstown. But is currently ineligible for consideration, based on a Hall of Fame rule, not one from MLB.
I think if Manfred sees that Rose behaves himself on Fox Sports and at the All-Star Game he'll begin the reinstatement process in 1-2 years.
This was not a case of a player betting on himself/his team and it was not a case of a player betting against himself/his team. But Rose didn't just "bet on baseball" as the line goes; he bet on games where he had disproportionate influence on the outcome. The Dowd report captures all of this very well. Rose also accepted lifetime ineligibility in 1989. I do think Manfred is looking for a way to reinstate him, despite the unforced errors Pete has committed since he finally 'fessed up. This kind of showmanship and crass commercialism alienated Rose's core constituency, the very Veterans Committee post-1972 era Hall of Fame voters he will need to gain access to Cooperstown. But is currently ineligible for consideration, based on a Hall of Fame rule, not one from MLB.
I think if Manfred sees that Rose behaves himself on Fox Sports and at the All-Star Game he'll begin the reinstatement process in 1-2 years.
Did Pete pass FOX' right-wing audition test? Did he have to pepper his baseball comments with vile insults hurled at Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid?
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Letting Pete " back in " would undermine a decision that was meant to reinforce a standard to which there cannot be an exception . Yes , his banishment could be painful for him and for those who know how devoted he has always been to baseball ; but it need not be . He has a good life and has been forgiven by many . Hopefully , he has forgiven himself also and found some modicum of inner peace . I'm glad that Fox has given him and us this opportunity , and I think he will be received well . His sins never included setting out to destroy others as was the case with detestable Lance Armstrong . That kind of person should be shunned for life by all connected to professional sports . There are still many ways which Pete , without technical " reinstatement " , can contribute to the sport and which will earn him the respect of his fans , both old and new .
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For the life of me, I don't see how betting FOR the team you are coaching threatens the integrity of the game; if anything it reinforces your desire to win. And betting in games you don't control - benign. This is a faux scandal in a sport that has a lot worse "cheating" on a daily basis - corked bats, spitballs and tar, intercepted signals. 1919 was bad because the team essentially bet AGAINST itself and threw the game. There is no evidence Rose ever bet against the Reds; yes the rules ban all gambling, they also ban corked bats but that gets you a wink and a nod. That's without even getting into the ethics of steroids, the biggest stain on the sport. The ban is ridiculous and the man should be in the Hall of Fame.
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What a Sanctimonious Perspective!
The guy bet on some baseball games ... and lied about it. He, like a great many professional athletes today (and of yesteryear), was not the nicest guy on the field. But Don tells us Pete "has a good life ... is forgiven by many ... and hopes he's forgiven himself and found inner peace." Such hogwash! Then he tells us "there are still many ways Pete can contribute to the game." My blood is boiling! Who is this self-righteous stuffed shirt?
We all know college and professional sports are, together, the national religion, but the ranks of college and professional athletes in the "United" States are loaded with hundreds of individuals whose crimes make Pete's pale by comparison.
Okay, he made a mistake ... he's paid a price ... put him in the Hall, get him on tv, and put an end to this sanctimonious nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdcudGplAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDS82bphJ0
The guy bet on some baseball games ... and lied about it. He, like a great many professional athletes today (and of yesteryear), was not the nicest guy on the field. But Don tells us Pete "has a good life ... is forgiven by many ... and hopes he's forgiven himself and found inner peace." Such hogwash! Then he tells us "there are still many ways Pete can contribute to the game." My blood is boiling! Who is this self-righteous stuffed shirt?
We all know college and professional sports are, together, the national religion, but the ranks of college and professional athletes in the "United" States are loaded with hundreds of individuals whose crimes make Pete's pale by comparison.
Okay, he made a mistake ... he's paid a price ... put him in the Hall, get him on tv, and put an end to this sanctimonious nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdcudGplAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDS82bphJ0
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Hey Don it was okay for baseball when they turned a blinded to all the cheating w greenies in the 60's & 70's , PED's in the last 25 years. What about the when the owners got together and refused the deal fairly with players on salary , hmmm that was moral right? Let's not forget the ban on any person who wasn't lily white to play baseball until 1947. Really get off your high horse and stop being a hypocrite.
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26 years is long enough.
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Let him in. He deserves it and there are a multitude of reasons why ohers, who are in, shouldn't be. I commend Fox for a smart move. His analysis will a great asset to the show. His knowledge of baseball, not just from a technical aspect, but from a more strategic and managerial viewpoint, will be extremely interesting to viewers.
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And why is it? Pete knew what he'd done and knew what the penalty would be when caught. He signed on to the agreement banning him from baseball. He autographed that document. This wasn't a witch hunt. This isn't like the PED controversies in which there are so many ifs, buts and maybes. It's very straightforward and strongly reinforces the gambling prohibition. After all, if Pete Rose can be held absolutely accountable, why would any other ballplayer think he can get away with breaking the non-gambling rule?
1. Best hitter of all time.
2. Inspired a generation of kids to try hard all the time.
3. Broke rule 21 as a manager, not as an player. The rule makes a point to distinguish between the two.
What would be awesome is if Pete Rose would reach out to Jim Gray and forgive him. Then get into the HOF too.
Baseball Writers need to get with it.