March Madness 2015: Welcome to a Different Kind of Bracket

Mar 16, 2015 · 33 comments
Small College IT Staffer (Milwaukee)
Hey guys--
There were a couple of games yesterday, in case you didn't notice. Could you update?
Michael S. Davidson (New York)
I don't like this at all. I would much prefer last year's when I could tell what percentile I was in. I have three of the four final teams and have little idea where I stand relative to others.
Beckett (Atlanta)
Brackets are great!
Felix (Forest Hills)
I chose my brackets and see them each time I open the link, so I'm connected as a contestant, I think.
The results showing the red lined eliminations is confusing me, and my upshot score, which has an explanation that makes some sense. BUT, I can find no link to the "contest registration " described in the instructional page, so I can't find a way to verify I am in contention.
My picks for elite 8 are all correct as of 3-28 Noontime, and I'm concerned to verify that, should I go all the way I am properly registered. Any advice is appreciated.
Brad N (New Jersey)
Super fun concept. But the bracket only kept my first round and the eventual champion, and the program won't let me fill in the picks as promised. I though the idea was that you change picks midstream and pick an underdog that's getting hot for a higher point value. Oh well... let's fix the bugs on this and get back at it next year. Could be a lot more fun... if it worked.
Mike D (Tampa)
anyone figure out how we see how our bracket compares to others? Rankings or standings?
kevinleibel (Chapel Hill)
agree, not too much fun unless we know how we are doing relative to the rest of the group

NYT editor: We'll have posts in coming days comparing where readers stand.
LawDawg (Charlotte)
The score update doesn't seem to be working - shows I have 2 points out of 3 possible for correctly picking GA St. and N.D. - shouldn't I have 7.7 points out of a possible 18.7?
Lissy Carr (NYC)
How do I see the performance of my brackets relative to others?
M (Madtown)
UAB won, but my bracket shows them as losers.
Jiminy (Queens)
Hello, NYT...I think the interactivity is broken.

NYT editor: Jiminy, the interactivity has ended for the moment because the tournament has started. All is well if you have a Green 0 on your bracket. The points will add up when the games end. Also, we will have a few separate posts comparing reader results as the tournament goes along.
J. Pupke (Richmond, VA)
Women's bracket?
Brunella (Brooklyn)
Re-logging in shows a blank bracket, shouldn't picks show up?
Jeffrey B. (Greer, SC)
Don't want no Apple Watch, and I despise throwing a ball into a Peach Basket, whose bottom has been kicked out.
Football is my sport right now. You know, the game where you use your foot.
Manchester United!
G.P. (Kingston, Ontario)
We know it is a development league and apparently the players have longer than us.
Moving along. Don't pick any team now. it is too early. Wait till Thursday morning.
Are Kansas and Texas doing it by mirrors? Does Wichita State have hope?
Kentucky is fast. Virginia bows to know one.
Meanwhile there will be some good games and story lines between Thursday and to the final.
A favour though - could the t.v. colour commentators stop yelling please.
unreceivedogma (New York City)
College basketball is exploitative. March Madness generates over $1 billion in revenue, coaches make millions, yet none of these "student" players get paid. Less than 2% ever get a chance to become pros. Stadiums cost $10s of millions while tuition continues to go through the roof.

Why is the Times perpetuating this fraud by promoting it with this lame betting feature?
Nick (Rochester)
Fraud: "Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain."

1) No "student" is forced to play. In fact, many hopefuls never make the roster.
2) Those who do make the roster are under no deception that they will be paid. The NCAA is very clear about this.
3) "High revenue" sports like men's basketball subsidize lower revenue sports, like women's basketball.

If you want to make the case that college players should get paid, that's fine, but don't call it fraud.

Should tuitions be raised to support player's salaries, in addition to the free "education" they receive?
Rob (Berkeley)
Love the upshot bracket. There are elements of risk and competition in the selections, and getting rewarded for not following the crowd. Nice job.
Kenneth (Dallas, TX)
Found this fascinating. I still couldn't stop myself, somehow, from picking a fairly conventional Final Four, despite how this bracket works. Interested to see how it plays out.
Jaze (NYC)
This is fun... entering my picks now.
Jaze (NYC)
I cracked the 99th percentile into the Final 8.
Tom (N/A)
Ever bet on a horse race?
realist (Colorado)
How do you submit your bracket, once it has been completed?
Jon Huang (New York)
You already have!

The bracket is automatically saved as long as you are logged into your NYT account. At the end of the contest we will compile the information and contact the winner.
James Kling (Harrisburg, PA)
But when I go back to "My Bracket" it defaults to blank. So it has been saved but you can't display it?
Kiki (Brooklyn, NY)
Bracket pools are already somewhat like this. If you pick a favorite like Kentucky to win, you'll wind up having to compete with everyone else. If you pick a surprise winner, Wichita St., then you'll win the pool if they actually do win the tournament. If millions of people competed in the same pool, it would very similar to the bracket discussed in this article, but you'd be left guessing about the advantage of making obscure picks.
Kyle W (Manhattan)
So somehwhat... the expected value of picking an underdog is still skewed. This provides a true upshot to picking an underdog.

Thing about the final four. Most people will have Kentucky. In a normal office pool you generally need to pick most of the final four or some crazy upset winner. In this pool, picking Kentucky probably has little value compared to picking Wich. St.... To put it in context, you probably would need need only 1 final four team and the eventual champion to be your obscure pick to win, where that isn't true of a normal pool. It's all about risk and return.
arbitrot (nyc)
So what you're telling us is that Nate Silver or Nate Cohn is going to win this thing.
Amy (Brooklyn)
It's very interesting to note that you are anti-Keynesian and, in fact, you suggest that correctly valuing undervalued companies is the essence of the stock market.
Amy (Brooklyn)
It's our secret, we won't mention this to Paul Krugman.
Elaine (Pacific Grove, CA)
So if I make my picks on the page that says "My Bracket," they will be saved automatically, and once the games start, my bracket will be automatically updated with wins/losses?

The instructions say to go to "The Contest," but there isn't a link. Just the empty interactive bracket. I've filled it out (which was enormous fun!) but I'd hate to have all my picks disappear on me!
G.P. (Kingston, Ontario)
Umm. The Apple Watch comes in several price ranges. Which one are you giving out?:)

Editor's note: In the contest rules, its says the Apple Watch is worth $549.
Kathleen (Austin)
You expect people to read the rules, the FAQ, the instructions? Now the odds on that are about zero.