This move seems like a fairly clear ploy by Republicans to yank some votes (or more importantly, big money donors) to their side in anticipation of 2016. Considering how firmly linked Hillary is with AIPAC, they can't even hope to directly paint her as an enemy of Israel. They're hoping to deflate her chances by tarring the brand instead.
They're not content just to do it with the left, either. Sheldon already talked openly about railroading Rand Paul's chances to eliminate the voices of conservatives who put America first.
These tactics might work for the older crowd that has one or two elections left to participate in before they croak. You know who it isn't working with? The demographics that are expanding, the people that will be voting on American politics for the next 60+ years, the people who will actually get stuck with the bill for any more ill-conceived military pet-projects in the Middle East.
Nevermind your old allegiances, the kids growing up now, taught that the US is number one, don't believe the US takes orders from anyone and they mean it. For the people here that are concerned about the Middle East, the focus is ISIS, not Iran. We've heard enough reporting from the ME over 15 years to know Sunnis from Shiites. If anything, it comes as suspect that ISIS isn't Israel's main concern.
Netanyahu impresses no one who will still be voting in the far future. The only people he might sway are early bird diners at Denny's.
They're not content just to do it with the left, either. Sheldon already talked openly about railroading Rand Paul's chances to eliminate the voices of conservatives who put America first.
These tactics might work for the older crowd that has one or two elections left to participate in before they croak. You know who it isn't working with? The demographics that are expanding, the people that will be voting on American politics for the next 60+ years, the people who will actually get stuck with the bill for any more ill-conceived military pet-projects in the Middle East.
Nevermind your old allegiances, the kids growing up now, taught that the US is number one, don't believe the US takes orders from anyone and they mean it. For the people here that are concerned about the Middle East, the focus is ISIS, not Iran. We've heard enough reporting from the ME over 15 years to know Sunnis from Shiites. If anything, it comes as suspect that ISIS isn't Israel's main concern.
Netanyahu impresses no one who will still be voting in the far future. The only people he might sway are early bird diners at Denny's.
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Israel good; Netanyahu bad.
He's bad for Israel, bad for the U.S. and bad for Middle East peace. Netanyahu ignores his own intelligence service and employs the same contemptible scare tactics as our own Cheney & Co. to incite his radicalized power base. Without the backwater boombox of Fox News, he'd appear the smalltime despot he actually is.
Tragically, little remains of the original vision of Israel - or the world wide support it once enjoyed. So go ahead, fool, and bite the hand of your only remaining friend.
He's bad for Israel, bad for the U.S. and bad for Middle East peace. Netanyahu ignores his own intelligence service and employs the same contemptible scare tactics as our own Cheney & Co. to incite his radicalized power base. Without the backwater boombox of Fox News, he'd appear the smalltime despot he actually is.
Tragically, little remains of the original vision of Israel - or the world wide support it once enjoyed. So go ahead, fool, and bite the hand of your only remaining friend.
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Both the Netanyahu and Obama administrations need to take a deep breath, lower the rhetoric, step back and recognize what's at stake. For Israel, it's nothing less than their very existence. For the US, it should be ensuring Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon and further destabilize the Middle East
Iran, a terrorist-sponsor state, 1) funds Hezbollah, 2) "controls" the countries of Lebanon, Syria & Yemen, 3) is spinning centrifuges like crazy, 4) has long=range missles, and 5) publicy threatens to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth. While Obama and Congress consider what's at stake, Iran bombs replica US battleships in the Persian Gulf during war games.
Why shouldn't Netanyahu have an opportunity to plead before Congress for his country's survival with it's biggest support, the US?
Iran, a terrorist-sponsor state, 1) funds Hezbollah, 2) "controls" the countries of Lebanon, Syria & Yemen, 3) is spinning centrifuges like crazy, 4) has long=range missles, and 5) publicy threatens to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth. While Obama and Congress consider what's at stake, Iran bombs replica US battleships in the Persian Gulf during war games.
Why shouldn't Netanyahu have an opportunity to plead before Congress for his country's survival with it's biggest support, the US?
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Obama should address AIPAC and read them the riot act. Tell them democracy in the US is going to be rehabilitated. Tell them to take their money and corruption elsewhere.
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I would tell Ms. Rice that Netanyahu's visit isn't nearly as destructive to U.S.-Israel ties as this White House.
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I am an American and a Jew and I resent the tactics of Israel acting in collusion with the Speaker to undermine the President. While I do not much care for the President, I object strongly to Israel's attempts, in the past and now, to try and turns Americans against him and towards Israel. I think that American policy toward Iran is not the business of Israel. If American policy is to support Israel, the American public, I among them, will rise up in opposition. Israel has not been a friend of the United States since the Begin administration in Israel. President George H.W. Bush even stopped dealing with Israel after his disgust with Israel sticking its finger repeatedly in America's eye. It now time to stop this nonsense and terminate the seven-million dollars a day we give Israel. Since Israel already has the atomic bomb, what right does any nation have in denying that same right to Iran. Many young American Jews have turned away from Israel because of Israel's anti-American actions. The United States have already overly tolerated Israel's' many affronts. It is now time for America to walk away from the nasty, petulant nation and let them fend for themselves. Then let them realize just what they have done. No tears will be shed by me for such an action
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As a Christian raised grandson of a Hungarian Jew, I always find it amusing when people start out by telling us they are Jewish, and then go on a diatribe against Israel and its leaders. Especially when they include that they and other U.S. Jews do not support Israel. For you see I grew up never knowing my grandfathers family. When my grandfather immigrated to America he intended on seeing his family again. But back then there were these other anti-semites who vowed to take care of the "Jewish Problem". And his entire family, young and old, man and woman, child and adult, perished in the death camps. Back then the Jews couldn't believe anyone would be that evil or that the world would turn their backs while 6 million died. Those that survived learned a valuable lesson, one that you and other Jews living here have never had to experience. So when you run your mouths, remember that Netanyahu understands that it could happen again and unlike you and my relatives, the Israeli's won't ever go to their demise quietly in the night!
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Compared to what our President has done to the relationship, the Prime Ministers has done very little. Prime Minister Netanyahu has a country to protect, President Obama has a legacy to protect, which is more important, in the whole scope of things? There are many of us who believe Iran, with a nuclear bomb, with no hesitate to use it. The rules of M.A.D. do not apply with any government who believes in the 12th Imam.
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The proverbial self-loathing.....
Bibi sticks a thumb in O's eye every time he's had the opportunity, but the gap between reality and fantasy evinced by bflat879 pales before his uninformed and insupportable claim that Iran would "no [sic] hesitate to use" a nuclear weapon. Iran has not attacked another country in over two centuries and the enormous mortality and morbidity experienced when they were invaded by Iraq (with US backing) make it inconceivable (to other than snake-oil salesmen and their marks) that Iran would launch a nuclear attack on a country with a nuclear arsenal like Israel's, an attack that would result in the virtual obliteration of Iran.
And as to Bibi, he is not protecting Israel, but, rather driving her off a cliff, as indeed is everyone who abets Israel in her contemptuous and contemptible violations of international law by retaining and settling land acquired during war.
To Bibi and his supporters, these are facts on the ground. To people who can see beyond the next quarter, the withdraw from (and the continued settlement of) the Occupied Territories leads inexorably to the Hobson's choice of whether Israel wishes to remain a democratic state or a Jewish state -- because it will be impossible to be both. That, and not any foreign nation, will mean the death of Israel.
Friends don't let their friends drive drunk. With friends like bflat879 and Bibi, who needs enemies?
And as to Bibi, he is not protecting Israel, but, rather driving her off a cliff, as indeed is everyone who abets Israel in her contemptuous and contemptible violations of international law by retaining and settling land acquired during war.
To Bibi and his supporters, these are facts on the ground. To people who can see beyond the next quarter, the withdraw from (and the continued settlement of) the Occupied Territories leads inexorably to the Hobson's choice of whether Israel wishes to remain a democratic state or a Jewish state -- because it will be impossible to be both. That, and not any foreign nation, will mean the death of Israel.
Friends don't let their friends drive drunk. With friends like bflat879 and Bibi, who needs enemies?
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Netanyahu the right wing extremists prime minister of Israel , by refusing to meet with Dems in Congress has plunged into an act of intervention in domestic policy of the U. S. This gives more reason for Dems in Congress to : a ) Boycott Netanyahu 's speech in Congress . b )The White House , bipartisan leaders in Congress should urge upon GOP and Speaker to cancel Netanyahu 's - Visa - invitation if any for the speech . c ) The White House and Dems should not forgive and forget Netanyahu 's open support for Romney in 2012 presidential elections , against President Obama , there should be consequences for partisan intervention in U. S. election . 4 ) Re. recent news reports Netanyahu is misleading and representing facts in Israel on P5 + Germany negotiations on Iran's Nuclear program . 5 ) Netanyahu 's partisan speech in Congress would be violation of protocol , high standard and traditions of Congress .
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People need to wake up and realize that Americans need to hear that Netanyahu has to say. Giving Iran a proverbial green light to obtain nuclear power is a huge mistake.
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As an American and 20+ year military veteran, I want to the Prime Minister to speak directly to my representatives in Congress and let them know how the negotiations between Iran and the US will affect his nation. The Obama Admin does everything in secret these days (Obama Care, treaty with Iran, FCC's new regs on Internet) so I do not trust Obama at all. The people of the US need to hear from the Prime Minister. The Administration is afraid of anyone speaking against their agenda(s) but the Prime Minister cannot be bullied by Obama or Susan Rice. Rice was the one who lied to the people about that video causing the death of our Ambassador in Lybia.
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The Canadian pipeline, the Israeli leader................the Republicans stick up for foreign nations and not their own in-need people.
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Today the Iranians were marching with Mr Obama hanging from a noose in a parade through the streets of Tehran
Yesterday the Iranians attacked a fake US Aircraft carrier in the Persian gulf.
Last week Khatami said the hatred of the Iranian people for America grow by the week.
Every month they announce they will destroy Israel.
Last year they stated if the Palestinians get the West Bank they will fill it with missiles.
In negotiations this year the Iranian foreign minister screams at Kerry regularly and had to be restrained from attacking him at one point.
And Netanyahu is the problem?
Yesterday the Iranians attacked a fake US Aircraft carrier in the Persian gulf.
Last week Khatami said the hatred of the Iranian people for America grow by the week.
Every month they announce they will destroy Israel.
Last year they stated if the Palestinians get the West Bank they will fill it with missiles.
In negotiations this year the Iranian foreign minister screams at Kerry regularly and had to be restrained from attacking him at one point.
And Netanyahu is the problem?
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Ironic that this past week's light dusting of snow in Jerusalem wasn't taken as a reminder that one should not skate where the ice is thin. Just the contrary, Bibi seems instead committed to stomping around such dangerous territory.
As an American of Jewish descent, I hold as one of my most fervent hopes that our reflexive support of Israel, whose government seems to feel that repayment should consist of continuous and escalating kicks in the nubbins, will soon come to an end.
Antisemitism is on the rise. And whatever blood libels it may have originated in, today it is stoked by the brutality and greed which drives Israel's policy towards Palestine. Netanyahu's behavior is of a while cloth with that.
It's time to cut this guy loose.
As an American of Jewish descent, I hold as one of my most fervent hopes that our reflexive support of Israel, whose government seems to feel that repayment should consist of continuous and escalating kicks in the nubbins, will soon come to an end.
Antisemitism is on the rise. And whatever blood libels it may have originated in, today it is stoked by the brutality and greed which drives Israel's policy towards Palestine. Netanyahu's behavior is of a while cloth with that.
It's time to cut this guy loose.
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What a combination, Obama and Rice. If there was any foreign affairs insught in these two, there would be no need for Bibi to bypass them and address the congress.
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Netanyahu states, "I will go to Washington to address the American Congress, because the American Congress is likely to be the final brake before the agreement between the major powers and Iran."
Managing diplomatic ties is part of the remit of the executive branch of the US government. Netanyahu needs to address his concerns to the executive branch - the President and his appointed Secretary of State and ambassadors. He does not get to shop around inside the US government until he finds an ear sympathetic to his agenda.
Netanyahu is interfering with the internal political process of the United States, and the Republican Congress is helping him.
Managing diplomatic ties is part of the remit of the executive branch of the US government. Netanyahu needs to address his concerns to the executive branch - the President and his appointed Secretary of State and ambassadors. He does not get to shop around inside the US government until he finds an ear sympathetic to his agenda.
Netanyahu is interfering with the internal political process of the United States, and the Republican Congress is helping him.
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Mr. Netanyahu and the republican congress honestly worry be...and is causing me to doubt our relationship with Israel. Sad move to lose US support
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What should worry you is the administrations support for a nuclear Iran. Do you honestly think Republicans and Netanyahu are a bigger concern than this? I'm sure you'd approve if your crazy neighbor with a history of acting rash were building a bomb in his garage.
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The comments on this forum reflect, I think, a sea change in American-Israeli relations that has been coming for a long time. The sheer number of outraged comments is remarkable for this paper. Ten years ago this would have been nearly unthinkable in the New York Times. I suggest that all those opposed to Netanyahu's policies—not just this speech—copy his / her comments to 1. The White House, in support; and 2. The Israeli embassy, in protest. It's all well and good to vent on this message board, but better to speak to the relevant parties.
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In my opinion, the main reason that GOP invited BiBi was to attract some of the Jewish Dems (independents) voters who might feel more sympathetic to Israel than their Dem base to switch side and vote for GOP candidate in 2016 election. I do not see how BiBi's talk in congress can change anything! On one hand GOP loves to make pro-Zionism a partisan issue and on the other hand most of the Zionists are tired of the criticism they hear from mostly Democrats. Since the rightwing Zionists are not going to lose power any time soon, Democrats can either betray their values and lean towards the rightwing neocons or accept the reality on the ground and let things go as it's meant to go.
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For an interested ring side American well wishers it looks bizarre that its politicians are permitting a outsider to have a considerable say in the internal national matters.
Surely Republicans are aware that their anti Iran efforts will derail detente with Iran and counterproductive particularly after it is revealed in The Guardian few days back that "Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment."
Following photo copy of the Mosad report is published in The Guardian " is quite revealing.
"Even though Iran has accumulated enough 5% enriched Uranium for several bombs and enriched some of it to 20% it does not appear ready to enrich it higher levels. It is allocating some of it to produce nuclear fuel for the TRR and the amount of 20% is therefore not increasing".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
We are forced to conclude that there are biased interest both in US and Israel to keep the very disruptive hostility between West and Iran boiling for reasons beating logic and commonsense.
Certainly not good for global peace and prosperity.
Surely Republicans are aware that their anti Iran efforts will derail detente with Iran and counterproductive particularly after it is revealed in The Guardian few days back that "Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment."
Following photo copy of the Mosad report is published in The Guardian " is quite revealing.
"Even though Iran has accumulated enough 5% enriched Uranium for several bombs and enriched some of it to 20% it does not appear ready to enrich it higher levels. It is allocating some of it to produce nuclear fuel for the TRR and the amount of 20% is therefore not increasing".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
We are forced to conclude that there are biased interest both in US and Israel to keep the very disruptive hostility between West and Iran boiling for reasons beating logic and commonsense.
Certainly not good for global peace and prosperity.
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Every elected Democrat in the Congress should find it within his or her's oath of office to BOYCOTT this speech. There is no place in the Constitution for intrusive congressional diplomacy, and this represents a treason of conspiracy.
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Israel's answer to Dick Cheney is coming to lecture us about the danger of Iran?
Netanyahu has about as much credibility as Cheney and Bush and Rice and Heir Rumsfeld, which is to say, little or none.
However, we do not appreciate his theatrics . He's apparently not busy enough in Israel, so he has to mettle in our affairs. They could not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, now we have this clown to try to convince us Iran is on the brink of getting nuclear weapons. Real scary. Not.
Wake up Americans ! This is another concocted threat by the Military Industrial Complex ( led by republicans, who else) to try to scare us with another phantom boogeyman. Like Vietnam, like Iraq, This is about US power ( and Israel's, I suppose). Iran is not going to attack us, Israel or anyone else We care about. I understand, they don't believe in suicide, which any such attack would mean to them.
Whether Iran is ill intentioned or not is not something the populace here can know with any degree of certainty because our media outlets are incapable or unwilling to provide sufficient information to us. Just fright tactics.
One source of information we can be sure will be biased and based on self interest will be Netanyahu. Listening to his propaganda will be a fool's errand.
Netanyahu has about as much credibility as Cheney and Bush and Rice and Heir Rumsfeld, which is to say, little or none.
However, we do not appreciate his theatrics . He's apparently not busy enough in Israel, so he has to mettle in our affairs. They could not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, now we have this clown to try to convince us Iran is on the brink of getting nuclear weapons. Real scary. Not.
Wake up Americans ! This is another concocted threat by the Military Industrial Complex ( led by republicans, who else) to try to scare us with another phantom boogeyman. Like Vietnam, like Iraq, This is about US power ( and Israel's, I suppose). Iran is not going to attack us, Israel or anyone else We care about. I understand, they don't believe in suicide, which any such attack would mean to them.
Whether Iran is ill intentioned or not is not something the populace here can know with any degree of certainty because our media outlets are incapable or unwilling to provide sufficient information to us. Just fright tactics.
One source of information we can be sure will be biased and based on self interest will be Netanyahu. Listening to his propaganda will be a fool's errand.
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Instead of criticizing Prime Minister Netanyahu our greatest ally in the Middle East she and the current administration should direct their attention to our real enemies, Isis and their Iranian sponsors. Ms. Rice has less than a sterling performance record in foreign affairs.
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ISIS is a Sunni group of fanatical thugs. The Iranian establishment is Shia. You may want to check some basic facts before putting your rant in print.
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Furthermore, Miss Carol, you might want to turn off Fox propaganda to learn that the U.S. has conducted thousands of attacks on the Sunni group ISIL (Daesh) and is by far the dominant force in the coalition fighting them. In fact, the coalition was formed by the effort of President Obama and Sec. Kerry's. If you watch Fox or listen to addled GOP congressmen, you might get the impression that nothing has been done, but that is, in fact, a lie or a series of lies.
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Netanyahu is an arrogant fool way out of his depth.
It's time to take a long hard look at the default support for Israel, and ask whether the interests of all might be better served by a more balanced approach that recognises the human rights of all civilians in the region, and takes steps in good faith to support the stability of Syria and surrounding countries, and a just resolution to the legitimate cries for justice, human rights, and freedom for those living under Israeli occupation, military law, and suffering rapid loss of land and livelihood in Palestine.
It's time to take a long hard look at the default support for Israel, and ask whether the interests of all might be better served by a more balanced approach that recognises the human rights of all civilians in the region, and takes steps in good faith to support the stability of Syria and surrounding countries, and a just resolution to the legitimate cries for justice, human rights, and freedom for those living under Israeli occupation, military law, and suffering rapid loss of land and livelihood in Palestine.
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That the citizens of Israel voted overwhelmingly to elect Netanyahu in the first place reflects very badly on the majority as it indicates their unwillingness to live in peace with their neighbors. The mid March election will be very telling to me and will determine if I will maintain the last remaining sentiments of support I have for Israel.
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Thousands of people will be welcoming Prime Minister Netanyahu during the 2015 AIPAC Conference in Washington DC next week.
Question: When they all stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, what country will they recite it to? The United States of America or the State of Israel?
Question: When they all stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, what country will they recite it to? The United States of America or the State of Israel?
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Israel is reflexively referred to as a close ally of the USA. Really? How so? Israel acts in its own interests, as it should. What are the specific acts of allied support that Israel has demonstrated? I have no issue with Israel acting selfishly, especially since it is subject to existential threats, but the relationship has been a one way street. Netanyahus behavior is an irritant as has Boehners but the real issue is the phantasy of Israeli support of the USA.
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To many of us in Israel it appears that the Obama administration is coming up with a deal that will essentially leave the Iranian atom bomb project intact. The one year break out period is a farce. American intelligence has a poor record of knowing what's going on vis a vis nuclear programs in other countries viz., India, Pakistan and N. Korea. Why should we expect any better info re Iran.
Obama is desperate for an agreement as a foreign policy accomplishment for his administration, which have been few and far between.
On the other hand, we Jews in Israel facing an enemy who has sworn in public (remember Mein Kampf ?- happily ignored by everyone) have a reason to worry. Anything we can do to try to stop this bad deal is in my opinion worth the effort even if the Obama people (with two years left in office) are very much annoyed with us. Also recall it was the Israelis who unilaterally acted against the Iraqi core.
We Jews have learned from history that we must depend on ourselves. Obama is not a true friend of Israel. His animosity for the current government goes back a long way - very much before the upcoming speech in Washington.
Other voices in the wilderness like Churchill in the 1930s were vilified as war mongers etc. Who in the end was right for raising their voice against a monstrous regime?
Obama is desperate for an agreement as a foreign policy accomplishment for his administration, which have been few and far between.
On the other hand, we Jews in Israel facing an enemy who has sworn in public (remember Mein Kampf ?- happily ignored by everyone) have a reason to worry. Anything we can do to try to stop this bad deal is in my opinion worth the effort even if the Obama people (with two years left in office) are very much annoyed with us. Also recall it was the Israelis who unilaterally acted against the Iraqi core.
We Jews have learned from history that we must depend on ourselves. Obama is not a true friend of Israel. His animosity for the current government goes back a long way - very much before the upcoming speech in Washington.
Other voices in the wilderness like Churchill in the 1930s were vilified as war mongers etc. Who in the end was right for raising their voice against a monstrous regime?
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Blah blah blah. While your guy badmouths Obama, Obama was standing up for Israel, adding funding for Iron Dome, expanding the billions in aid, etc.
If you feel you absolutely must depend only on yourselves, then your current leader is helping, with his selfish, self-aggrandizing ingratitude and his diddling with OUR political process, to make more people in the USA that you are right - and that's not how it should be.
And I'm sorry, what about Israel's nuclear weapons?
If you feel you absolutely must depend only on yourselves, then your current leader is helping, with his selfish, self-aggrandizing ingratitude and his diddling with OUR political process, to make more people in the USA that you are right - and that's not how it should be.
And I'm sorry, what about Israel's nuclear weapons?
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Balderdash! First of all, Bibi is no Churchill. He is an arrogant, bombastic whiner given to over-exaggeration.Secondly, if you Israelis are so enamored of your own ability and determination to be self-reliant, why is Bibi coming here demanding American support?
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So, you are saying that we have no time for discussion, reflection or negotiation. Everyone that writes that Obama and his administration are wrong to allow negotiations with Iran have yet to say which should happen instead, so I will ask you? What is it that Obama, and by default the US, should do? Just say it.
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Netanyahu a problem? No problem... Just annex Israel, admit it as a state, and then give Bibi the right to vote.
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Peace or attempted peace is always the next logical step. Talks and deals are better than aggression and we have to weigh the cost factor even if it means compromises and losses as long as we do not compromise on principles. Lives are more important than property. To say we have ended peace talks and there is nothing else to discuss is not an option. Economic sanctions can be placed and removed but the peace process should not and cannot be stopped. Susan E. Rice is correct on her advise. Destroying the peace work-in-process is not an option either.
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Last summer when Netanyahu was blowing up little kids and houses in Gaza, I took at look at the Israeli press. I was horrified. Racist statements about Obama were printed in the comments, as well as statements that Israel basically controlled our politics, that Obama would be gone in two years, and then the GOP would do what Netanyahu wanted. There were also op ed pieces justifying the Gaza mess on religious grounds. It was an eye opener. In closing, I think Israel needs to commit to rebuilding Gaza, and the money should not come from the UN or Norway. why Congress thinks Netanyahu is worth listening too is a mystery.
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"... I took at look at the Israeli press."
Could you be more specific?
Could you be more specific?
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Israel looks more and more like some kind of remote US protectorate gone awry by gaining a frivolous control over the mainland.
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The Prime Minister's visit is NOT harmful to Israel's relationship with the United States. Not at all. The vast majority of Americans support Israel in its ongoing battle for survival against bloodthirsty genocidal terrorists, in Gaza, Judea, Samaria and Iran.
Granted, the visit is harmful to Israel's relationship with one of its most despicable sworn enemies, the Obama Administration, but they hated Israel and wanted to see it destroyed anyway.
Granted, the visit is harmful to Israel's relationship with one of its most despicable sworn enemies, the Obama Administration, but they hated Israel and wanted to see it destroyed anyway.
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Errrr, sorry we do not recognize "Judea" and "Samaria". We recognize the law.
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Bibi Netanyahu has been the main cause of instability in the Middle East by denying the Existence of Palestinians, let alone agreeing to Mr. Obama's Two-State Peace Initiative.
HE is also solely responsible in the rise of Anti-Semitism in the World by his "War Is The Only Option Doctrine".
THE fact is that as his Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, recently pointed out, Bibi has not even been able to defeat Hamas!
Bibi Netanyahu thinks that by having Nuclear Weapons and a Strong Army, he can make Israel Secure!
THE only way Israel can be Secure and Flourish as a "Jewish State" is to make Peace with the Palestinians as Mr. Obama has been advocating, enhance Israel's relations with Egypt and Jordan and become the Champion of Peace in the neighborhood.
AS for Iran, this is a file for the Great Powers to address and sabotaging the current negotiations would only weaken Israel and jeopardize its Security.
IT is time for Regime Change in Israel, and hopefully the Israeli Voters will make this long overdue move soon.
HE is also solely responsible in the rise of Anti-Semitism in the World by his "War Is The Only Option Doctrine".
THE fact is that as his Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, recently pointed out, Bibi has not even been able to defeat Hamas!
Bibi Netanyahu thinks that by having Nuclear Weapons and a Strong Army, he can make Israel Secure!
THE only way Israel can be Secure and Flourish as a "Jewish State" is to make Peace with the Palestinians as Mr. Obama has been advocating, enhance Israel's relations with Egypt and Jordan and become the Champion of Peace in the neighborhood.
AS for Iran, this is a file for the Great Powers to address and sabotaging the current negotiations would only weaken Israel and jeopardize its Security.
IT is time for Regime Change in Israel, and hopefully the Israeli Voters will make this long overdue move soon.
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Shocking wording. The US-Israel relationship should not be a function of what the Obama Administration thinks of Mr. Netanyahu. The US comes across as petty rank amateurs.
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Too many of the president's working relationships descend into these petty and personal battles. The only positive relationships he has are those he's pursuing with adversaries.
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Israel looks more and more like some kind of remote US protectorate gone awry by gaining frivolous control over the mainland.
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If roles were reversed and all things equal (Republican President and a Democrat House & Senate), BiBi would have publicly declined a Democratic leadership invitation to address the U.S. Congress for forty (40) days and forty (40) nights of all the publicity he could garner.
As much as it is in this country's strategic interest to support Israel, it is foolish for us to believe that our mutual admiration society is built these days on anything other than thin ice.
As much as it is in this country's strategic interest to support Israel, it is foolish for us to believe that our mutual admiration society is built these days on anything other than thin ice.
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Total Obamahate. So far they all have lost and this act just adds to the losers who do not want to do what they were elected to do.
So sad to see a leader from A little country like Israel dictating to right wing lawmakers in this country.
Europeans know better than put up with this wannabe dictator.
So sad to see a leader from A little country like Israel dictating to right wing lawmakers in this country.
Europeans know better than put up with this wannabe dictator.
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Is is too much to hope that Biden is going to Israel to meet with the opposition coalition leaders?
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To David:
My objection is to the use of the word 'meddling". They (Israel) have every right to weigh in as to what should be done vis a vis Iran since they are the ones at greatest risk. Your point, such as it is, is that what they are doing is counterproductive. You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it but the again, the point is that this can hardly be categorized as meddling.
My objection is to the use of the word 'meddling". They (Israel) have every right to weigh in as to what should be done vis a vis Iran since they are the ones at greatest risk. Your point, such as it is, is that what they are doing is counterproductive. You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it but the again, the point is that this can hardly be categorized as meddling.
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Vis-a-vis protocol, politicking, etiquette, and timing, the particulars surrounding Netanyahu's address couldn't be worse.
Vis-a-vis the heart of the matter, this is the case that Netanyahu will plead before the U.S. Congress: that President Obama has engineered a disastrous appeasement of Iran's mullahs, as part of a secretly-negotiated, back-channel "grand bargain" two years in the making, that enables Iran to obtain nuclear weaponry and to enjoy the U.S.'s acceptance of its ascension as a regional power and player, in exchange for its joining the alliance against ISIS, and that he did so while putting Israel in an existential stranglehold, i.e., three years ago forbidding Israel to take out Iran's nuclear capacity unilaterally while it still could should diplomacy fail (which it has), while simultaneously refusing to promise that if Iran then got nukes, the U.S., the only entity that could, would take them out.
If Netanyahu's case is valid -- and I think a fair reading of the evidence points that way -- I would pay much more attention to the heart of the matter than to the mechanics.
Vis-a-vis the heart of the matter, this is the case that Netanyahu will plead before the U.S. Congress: that President Obama has engineered a disastrous appeasement of Iran's mullahs, as part of a secretly-negotiated, back-channel "grand bargain" two years in the making, that enables Iran to obtain nuclear weaponry and to enjoy the U.S.'s acceptance of its ascension as a regional power and player, in exchange for its joining the alliance against ISIS, and that he did so while putting Israel in an existential stranglehold, i.e., three years ago forbidding Israel to take out Iran's nuclear capacity unilaterally while it still could should diplomacy fail (which it has), while simultaneously refusing to promise that if Iran then got nukes, the U.S., the only entity that could, would take them out.
If Netanyahu's case is valid -- and I think a fair reading of the evidence points that way -- I would pay much more attention to the heart of the matter than to the mechanics.
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I have said before & will continue. Ms Rice would be an excellent President.
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I cannot understand the President's allegiance to Iran instead of Israel.
The Israel Prime Minister is fighting for the life of his Nation, the only democracy in the Middle East.
Why in the world would Obama want private talks with Iran? Let BIbi speak his mind, should Obama wait for ISIS to turn their eyes to Israel?
The Israel Prime Minister is fighting for the life of his Nation, the only democracy in the Middle East.
Why in the world would Obama want private talks with Iran? Let BIbi speak his mind, should Obama wait for ISIS to turn their eyes to Israel?
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France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia are also involved in the negotiations, and Israel was given regular update, which they promptly chose to use as propoganda against the talks. I don't know how
"private" negotiations with six states can be, but negotiations of this kind are generally conducted in secret, until the larger outlines of the deal are finalized.
The US President has no "allegiance" to Iran, but he would prefer not to go to war unnecessarily with a country of 80 million people.
"private" negotiations with six states can be, but negotiations of this kind are generally conducted in secret, until the larger outlines of the deal are finalized.
The US President has no "allegiance" to Iran, but he would prefer not to go to war unnecessarily with a country of 80 million people.
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It is also reported that Bibi has possibly leaked info from those updates in an attempt to thwart the negotiations. If Bibi wants war, let him go for it. Solo.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/did-netanyahu-leak-sensitive-inf...
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/did-netanyahu-leak-sensitive-inf...
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Netanyahu's visit is destructive, but allowing Iran to have the bomb is not?
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Your proof of Iran nuclear bomb capabilities please, because Mossad doesn't agree with you or Netanyahu. Thank you, Edward Snowden!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
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Back off, Bibi! And I'm every bit as Jewish as you.
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No, clearly you are not. We do not need more appeasers and apologists. You've done enough harm already.
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Given that Netanyahu has clearly become a GOP stooge, it is terribly unfortunate and a detriment to middle east peace. If he wants to attack Iran so badly, why doesn't he...oh yeah, he wants America to fight his war for him. And, he wants America to invade Iran and Syria for him...to stabilize the Middle East. I think his definition of stable and mine are pretty different.
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The Obama administration is really working hard to make Netanyahu's visit look like partisan politics. As with everything else in the era of Obama, reality is flipped on its head. But for the media's happy compliance with all things Obama, most Americans wouldn't even know Netanyahu was coming, and almost nobody would attribute his motives to anything other than appealing to America to not to strike any deals with Iran.
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Ironically enough, in Pres Obama's high profile criticism of Mr Netanyahu, and in his administration's comments, they are very much influencing the politics of Israel's upcoming election.
Congress and Mr Netanyahu are not in the loop re treaty negotiations, Iran is a formidable foe and has a history of unreliability, and it is felt that tough negotiation is not among Mr Obama's strengths---all of which make the current situation packed with tensions and doubts.
Congress and Mr Netanyahu are not in the loop re treaty negotiations, Iran is a formidable foe and has a history of unreliability, and it is felt that tough negotiation is not among Mr Obama's strengths---all of which make the current situation packed with tensions and doubts.
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I am an Israeli. I am ashamed of the Israeli PM. He is arrogant. Ungrateful. A back stubber. A manipultor. A dinasaur. He creates antisemitism. His behavior provides ammunition to antisemitics. My advice to world leader is not to trust a word he says. He is using the Iranian issue for political reasons.
If he starts to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, it will decrease the Iranian aspirations to destroy Israel.
If he starts to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, it will decrease the Iranian aspirations to destroy Israel.
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"If he starts to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, it will decrease the Iranian aspirations to destroy Israel."
Pollyannas, countries or leaders, don't survive very long in the Middle East.
Pollyannas, countries or leaders, don't survive very long in the Middle East.
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I don't believe you are an Israeli
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Who would you like to see as the Israeli PM?
Israel has nuclear weapons; why can't her neighbors?
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Why can't Cuba or Venezuela? They haven't threatened to destroy you nor do they finance terrorists that attack you and Americans abroad.
This whole idea Iran's nuclear program is a response to the almost 50 year old Israeli nuclear problem is a narrative. Iran wants nuclear weapons to expand its influence in the Middle East and therefore in the world.
If you are alright with that and that others will respond, like Saudi Arabia, by developing their own weapons that is fine. If you feel that it will not be more dangerous with Israel and Iran facing off -fine.
If you favour that there will be no way to seriously influence Iran for domestic change because you are alright with how they treat their citizens, fine.
But disarming Israel will have no impact on Iran - nor has Iran ever alleged that it will.
This whole idea Iran's nuclear program is a response to the almost 50 year old Israeli nuclear problem is a narrative. Iran wants nuclear weapons to expand its influence in the Middle East and therefore in the world.
If you are alright with that and that others will respond, like Saudi Arabia, by developing their own weapons that is fine. If you feel that it will not be more dangerous with Israel and Iran facing off -fine.
If you favour that there will be no way to seriously influence Iran for domestic change because you are alright with how they treat their citizens, fine.
But disarming Israel will have no impact on Iran - nor has Iran ever alleged that it will.
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Because through multiple wars with its neighbors, Israel has had the presence of mind not to use them. That cannot be said about the neighbors.
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Given the embarrassing incidents that Mr. Netanyahu has staged to snub the US, like announcing new housing developments during a visit by VP Biden, I don't think he deserves any consideration during this trip by the administration. He's trying to get reelected. It's that simple.
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Don't you get it Ken? He isn't asking for any consideration from the administration; he doesn't want it. He knows he has the support of Congress, and that Obama and his administration don't really matter.
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If is so damaging, why not just Bibi entry into the United States as a head of state. The Executive Branch has exclusive jurisdiction over who enters into the United States, they can actually block a head of state from visiting our nation.
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Actually, the legislative branch has the power to write laws pertaining to who is allowed into the country. The President does have the power to conduct diplomacy, and that means that the executive branch can invite, or allow, people into the US for foreign policy/diplomatic reasons.
Check Article 1 of the US Constitution if you think I'm wrong.
Check Article 1 of the US Constitution if you think I'm wrong.
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Good question. As a head of state, Mr. Netanyahu "qualifies for an A-1 visa regardless of the purpose of his or her visit to the United States":
http://london.usembassy.gov/niv/dipvisas.html
http://london.usembassy.gov/niv/dipvisas.html
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Like others, I'm alarmed by the breach of diplomatic protocol shown by Netanyahu and Boehner. But what's even more disturbing is how this sequence of events demonstrates Netanyahu's apparent lack of skill.
He did not accomplish what he had hoped. Senate Democrats postponed discussion of further sanctions until after the next deadline in diplomatic negotiations, and Senate Democrats who had been pressing for further sanctions backed off and rallied around President Obama. Netanyahu has damaged Israel's relationship with the U.S. and other members of the P5+1 alliance, and he has nothing to show for it.
It's unsettling to see the leader of Israel messing up like this.
It's hard enough to deal with the Iranians. Netanyahu's bumbling doesn't help.
He did not accomplish what he had hoped. Senate Democrats postponed discussion of further sanctions until after the next deadline in diplomatic negotiations, and Senate Democrats who had been pressing for further sanctions backed off and rallied around President Obama. Netanyahu has damaged Israel's relationship with the U.S. and other members of the P5+1 alliance, and he has nothing to show for it.
It's unsettling to see the leader of Israel messing up like this.
It's hard enough to deal with the Iranians. Netanyahu's bumbling doesn't help.
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This is a vitally important moment for President Obama; he needs to recognize that even though Benjamin Netanyahu was invited by Boehner, he will be here and as such needs the full respect of the US President.
Our President needs to take the high road and meet with Netanyahu.
Our President needs to take the high road and meet with Netanyahu.
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Does the President of the U.S. owe it to Israel to meet with Netanyahu each and every time he comes here? The number of visits here by the head of government of this country of seven million is mind blowing, usually several times every year. President Obama has stated for the cameras that he has spoken by phone with Netanyahu far more than with any other head of government on Earth. And now our President is accused of showing lack of respect when not meeting him yet again?? Even as Netanyahu was not invited here by the White House ?? And as Netanyahu rejects meetings with congressional Democrats? The proposition is insulting on its face.
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I couldn't disagree more. This is not a "vitally important moment for President Obama;" it's a vitally important moment for Prime Minister Netanyahu. He should acknowledge his inept blunder in accepting the invitation and arrange - at the very least - to come calling well after the Israeli elections....except in the happy event that he and his party do not end up winning those elections, in which case I'm sure President Obama would be happy to welcome the new prime minister.
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The high road would be to deny Mr. Netanyahu admission into the U.S.
when you're not invited to a party you don't try to break in from the back door and hope people will let it slide.
when you're not invited to a party you don't try to break in from the back door and hope people will let it slide.
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The visit is "productive" in one respect. Americans (and their elected officials) for far too long have stereotyped American Jews as always supporting what the Israeli government supports, whether Labor, Likud, or whatever, and regardless of whether that position is consistent with America's best interests or values. The large push-back from diaspora Jews to Netanyahu's irreverence for our President (as well as to his reckless calls for French and other diaspora Jews to leave their home countries) demonstrates that this stereotype is incorrect. President Obama's refusal to commit a staff member to attending AIPAC's meeting is altogether proper. In fact, to show that he and other politicians listen to the viewpoints of ALL American Jews, and not just those with the deepest pockets and most ingrained lobbying power, President Obama would do well to attend J Street's conference in lieu of AIPAC's this year. Given that J Street supports the President's position on BOTH Iran and the two-state solution, it would also be the politically saavy thing to do to highlight American Jewish support for the President's position.
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Netanyahu and all Israelis know quite well that Obama hates Israel and is extremely sympathetic to its enemies. So, Netanyahu, rightfully, has to make his case directly to congress and the american public. He feels that he has no choice.
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A quick glance at the Israeli press will disburden you of this belief, if that's the right word. And since, as far as I know, Netanyahu wasn't elected to office in the United States, I don't see how the question of 'rightfulness' enters into it. At this point, Israel's 'enemies' appear to be whoever Benjamin Netanyahu and his American friends decide they are. As Israel refused to vote with the US in the UN resolution condemning Russia's annexation of Crimea, may we assume that Israel is extremely sympathetic to a man regarded by most Europeans and the vast majority of Americans as a thug and an international gangster? And virulently hostile to Western interests?
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Some of us are, indeed, sympathetic to the Palestinian people.
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WHY?! They're run by hamas. What happened the cement that entered adter last summer's waR. No schools. No rebuilding of infrastructure. It all went back into repairing the terror tunnels I bet you'd change your mind pretty fast if one of those tunnels opened up under your kid's nursery school.
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Aunt Agatha from Bewitched has more credibility than Susan Rice who just says what they tell her to say. Does anyone remember when Mr. Obama had the President of Mexico lecture congress about America's immigration laws when Mexico's are 10 times worse? Let Mr. Netanyahu speak, let's hear what he has to say. Mr. Obama does not want Israel to divulge the secret plans of Mr. Obamas to get Iran nuclear weapons of mass destruction so they can then destroy Israel.
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Let's call a spade a spade: with Israel, the US bought and continues to sponsor a puppet. However in recent years, the puppet isn't taking heed of its master's wishes. In fact, Israel is basically a petulant teenager living under the protection of the US's roof - give me the car keys, pay my allowance, but don't dare tell me what to do. In recent years, Israel seems to be asserting itself as an adult, sovereign nation (this unauthorised speech by Mr. Netanyahu is a perfect example of this). Ok fine. They're "18" now, so kick them out and let them go it alone.
They seem to want our protection, but don't want to heed our wishes. Enough of this. This whole endeavour has become a completely one-sided relationship and an enormous waste of time and resources for the US and it's taxpayers.
They seem to want our protection, but don't want to heed our wishes. Enough of this. This whole endeavour has become a completely one-sided relationship and an enormous waste of time and resources for the US and it's taxpayers.
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ONE -SIDED? You are blind to facts:
The 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world’s population, can lay claim to the following:
– Nobel Prizes: Medicine, Chemistry, Economics, Physics, Literature
– Medical Research: biological pacemaker; DNA nana-computer detects cancer cells – then releases combating drugs; stem-cell technology to regenerate heart tissue; pill-camera, tiny, examines small intestine; first full computerized diagnostic instrument for breast cancer detection; development of heart pump synchronization device
– Pharmaceutical Research: treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease
– Microsoft and Cisco companies – only R&D facilities outside the US are in Israel
– Microsoft-Windows operating system – designed in Israel
– Pentium Microprocessor -designed and produced in Israel
– Voice mail – developed in Israel
– Aircraft Security System – developed in Israel
– University degrees, highest % of workers, per capita
– Museums, zoos, orchestras, home computers – highest %, per capita
– Only country in the world – more trees at start of 21st Century than at the 20th
This is only a partial list and was achieved in its short 61 years of life, while defending itself in four major wars resisting combined Arab armies plus unrelenting attacks by terrorists upon Israeli civilians throughout its existence. Amazing!
The 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world’s population, can lay claim to the following:
– Nobel Prizes: Medicine, Chemistry, Economics, Physics, Literature
– Medical Research: biological pacemaker; DNA nana-computer detects cancer cells – then releases combating drugs; stem-cell technology to regenerate heart tissue; pill-camera, tiny, examines small intestine; first full computerized diagnostic instrument for breast cancer detection; development of heart pump synchronization device
– Pharmaceutical Research: treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease
– Microsoft and Cisco companies – only R&D facilities outside the US are in Israel
– Microsoft-Windows operating system – designed in Israel
– Pentium Microprocessor -designed and produced in Israel
– Voice mail – developed in Israel
– Aircraft Security System – developed in Israel
– University degrees, highest % of workers, per capita
– Museums, zoos, orchestras, home computers – highest %, per capita
– Only country in the world – more trees at start of 21st Century than at the 20th
This is only a partial list and was achieved in its short 61 years of life, while defending itself in four major wars resisting combined Arab armies plus unrelenting attacks by terrorists upon Israeli civilians throughout its existence. Amazing!
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Israel can rightfully complain about Iran's backing of Hezbollah, which is posing a serious threat to its citizens (although not in such surprisingly unrefined manner) ... but who is Israel to tell this proud Persian nation what nuclear technology it should or it should not have? What country can buckle in the face of such blatant invasion of its sovereignty? Sorry, but Netanyahu's arrogance is making me root for the Ayatollahs!
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When Iran expresses its desire to see Israel annihilated, I think it's pretty understandable that Israel might want to resist Iran getting a nuclear weapon.
Does that help?
Does that help?
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Iran is not going to annihilate Israel. The idea is ridiculous. Israel just wants another war.
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Bibi`s visit must be a good thing because the Progressive Demo[n]crats are against it.
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Mr. Netanyahu, in coming to the US in this fashion, is demonstrating an arrogance and disrespect for the American people, and, for the president. He should cancel the visit and if he should com,e all conscientious members of congress need to not attend.
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Mr Netanyahu, invited by the US Congress, a body re-elected just 3 short months ago, by definition is responding to the requests by those same American people.
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Netanhayu is brash and clueless. Everyone knows that. But worse, he is being enabled by House Republicans, who are hopelessly partisan and irresponsible in undermining this country's foreign policy.
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I've never heard, or read, about any Democrat, anywhere, being "hopelessly partisan and irresponsible." Except for the dozen or so of them now in Federal prison, that is.
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Mr. Netanyahu said Tuesday that he was making the trip because it was his obligation to “do everything I can to prevent” a nuclear agreement with Iran.
Well, I suppose that means he'll be announcing that Israel will lead by doing, and set a schedule to sign the non-proliferation treaty, give up their own nuclear arsenal and allow full international inspections of any nuclear sites.
Well, I suppose that means he'll be announcing that Israel will lead by doing, and set a schedule to sign the non-proliferation treaty, give up their own nuclear arsenal and allow full international inspections of any nuclear sites.
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to b fagan: Last time I checked, Israel was not designated by the US State Department across GOP and Dem administrations as the planet's number one exporter of terrorism; did not open its parliamentary sessons with chanting, in unison, of "Death to the U.S."; did not execute, beat, and jail political dissidents; did not both finance and order terror-murder organizatons including Hezbollah and HAMAS to murder and maim innocents, including women, children, and babies, for being of a particular nationality or religion; did not have a chief executive repeatedly advocate the genocide of a UN member nation; and was not ruled by mullahs, i.e., religious extremists long wedded to Islamism and jihadism, who wield absolute state power, with the nominal elected chief executive only a figurehead. Until you can figure out what most of your country(wo)men in the American heartland already well understand about the grave danger posed not at all by Israel but beyond imagining by Iran, please study a little history.
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Hi, Dennis, in the heartland of NYC, from the heartland of Chicago.
Study a little history and remember why the Ayatollah was able to harness hatred of the Shah and SAVAK with their links to US and Israel in order to carry out his revolution.
Here's an interesting current piece about how Iran first started with nuclear technology. http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in...
I believe Hezbollah is a terror organization and must give up its repugnant goal of destroying Israel, but I also believe that Israel must stop giving in to their own right-wing intent on their path of creating an un-sustainable single-state situation.
I wish Israel a long and successful future, but that requires living where they are situated.
Governments come and go, and the majority of people in Iran are not reflexive haters of the United States. The clown Ahmadinejad is gone, and his pandering to his country's brand of extremists helped get the nation into sanctions (that increased under Obama, by the way).
Constant threatening by Israel and by McCain and others that we'd bomb our way out of the Iran nuclear issue resulted in nothing more than Iran building stronger, deeper sites and redoubling of their efforts - and such rhetoric made it easy for Ahmadinejad and the Grand Ayatollah to promote the plan even among more liberal parts of the nation. It's time to negotiate seriously. It worked with the Soviet Union - I'd give Iran a chance with it.
Study a little history and remember why the Ayatollah was able to harness hatred of the Shah and SAVAK with their links to US and Israel in order to carry out his revolution.
Here's an interesting current piece about how Iran first started with nuclear technology. http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in...
I believe Hezbollah is a terror organization and must give up its repugnant goal of destroying Israel, but I also believe that Israel must stop giving in to their own right-wing intent on their path of creating an un-sustainable single-state situation.
I wish Israel a long and successful future, but that requires living where they are situated.
Governments come and go, and the majority of people in Iran are not reflexive haters of the United States. The clown Ahmadinejad is gone, and his pandering to his country's brand of extremists helped get the nation into sanctions (that increased under Obama, by the way).
Constant threatening by Israel and by McCain and others that we'd bomb our way out of the Iran nuclear issue resulted in nothing more than Iran building stronger, deeper sites and redoubling of their efforts - and such rhetoric made it easy for Ahmadinejad and the Grand Ayatollah to promote the plan even among more liberal parts of the nation. It's time to negotiate seriously. It worked with the Soviet Union - I'd give Iran a chance with it.
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1. Bad diplomacy Mr Netanyahu, to explain the world threat from Iran directly to Congress.
2. Bad reasoning Mr Obama, not to meet with Mr N because of upcoming elections.
3. Goodbye for the world if / when Iran - a major funder of terrorism is able to distribute nuclear arms to its terrorist proxies.
4. So perhaps bad diplomacy trumps bad reasoning in this case.
2. Bad reasoning Mr Obama, not to meet with Mr N because of upcoming elections.
3. Goodbye for the world if / when Iran - a major funder of terrorism is able to distribute nuclear arms to its terrorist proxies.
4. So perhaps bad diplomacy trumps bad reasoning in this case.
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Maybe we don't want American kids dying for Isreal unless it's absolutely necessary.
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"Goodbye for the world if / when Iran - a major funder of terrorism is able to distribute nuclear arms to its terrorist proxies."
Well the obvious way to prevent such a disaster is to launch a nuclear first strike on Iran and bomb it back into the stone age before it can do the same to the west.
Well the obvious way to prevent such a disaster is to launch a nuclear first strike on Iran and bomb it back into the stone age before it can do the same to the west.
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Charles W - your suggestion, if in fact you really meant it, will start WWIII and a nuclear holocaust. On the bright side, a nuclear winter will slow or stop global warming.
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I wonder what it is that makes President Obama so opposed to Mr. Netanyahu addressing Congress at this time.
The President is a young, attractive, forceful and eloquent speaker who ordinarily has no problems besting his opponents in debate. Mr. Netanyahu is a ponderous and frequently boring speaker, not nearly as attractive in appearance as the President, and combs his hair in Donald Trump fashion.
If the President is truly concerned about the precedent-setting aspects of Mr. Netanyahu addressing Congress close to an election in Israel, why not invite him to take questions from news reporters in a joint TV appearance with the President?
Israel is a very close ally of the United States, and the negotiations are of critical importance to both countries.
The President would surely win a "debate" of this type, so why would he be against it?
The President is a young, attractive, forceful and eloquent speaker who ordinarily has no problems besting his opponents in debate. Mr. Netanyahu is a ponderous and frequently boring speaker, not nearly as attractive in appearance as the President, and combs his hair in Donald Trump fashion.
If the President is truly concerned about the precedent-setting aspects of Mr. Netanyahu addressing Congress close to an election in Israel, why not invite him to take questions from news reporters in a joint TV appearance with the President?
Israel is a very close ally of the United States, and the negotiations are of critical importance to both countries.
The President would surely win a "debate" of this type, so why would he be against it?
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Netanyahu's behavior is an intentional insult, a calculated political snub, an embarrassment fomented by the rabid Right. Worse by far would be for the President to pretend it's just a spirited political debate. Obama's doing the right thing: calling it what it is -- destructive -- and refusing to participate in this sad day in American history.
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So, if I understand you correctly Bob, the President is afraid that Mr. Netanyahu would come out on top.
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I don't think President Obama is afraid of anything.
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Those who support Netanyahu's visit do so because they are concerned about giving Iran a nuclear bomb.
Those who are opposed to his visit are caught up in optics and/or hatred: it's embarrassing to Obama, it's outside typical protocol. Or they hate Israel or Netanyahu.
I'd like to hear what he has to say. Maybe I'll learn something. Maybe I won't. They are words, and I am not afraid of words.
Those who are opposed to his visit are caught up in optics and/or hatred: it's embarrassing to Obama, it's outside typical protocol. Or they hate Israel or Netanyahu.
I'd like to hear what he has to say. Maybe I'll learn something. Maybe I won't. They are words, and I am not afraid of words.
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No. It's exactly as Susan Rice said -- those who are opposed recognize this visit as "destructive" of the US-Israel relationship. Allies simply don't treat each other this way. It's the Republican hatred of Obama that is driving this sad, nasty exercise in political contempt. All Americans should be offended.
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It's "destructive" how? Because it opposes a DANGEROUS deal being made in Iran? Are you crazy? Do you think nuclear Iran is a great idea? This man is fighting for his nation's survival, and was INVITED. Be mad at Boehner, if you must. Not Netanyahu. He is no different from the Pope, who will address be addressing congress.
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Correct protocol or not, that is between the President and Congress. Don't spit in the face of an ally.
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Did you send a tweet to Netanyahu reminding him of that?
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Say your wife asked your brother, without your knowledge, to go with her on a 2 week vacation to Club Med, while she left you with the kids alone. And they both agreed to go, without consulting you.
Should you be mad only at your wife?
Relationships don't always involve just 2 parties. Get a clue.
Should you be mad only at your wife?
Relationships don't always involve just 2 parties. Get a clue.
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The various comments, pro and con, regarding PM Netanyahu's address to the Congress of the United States ignore one lost fact: Iran is on record as promising to wipe the state of Israel off of the map. Again, complete destruction of a sovereign state. Secretary Kerry is in negotiations now with Iran, with alleged outcome of a 10-year delay in nuclear weaponry. Meanwhile, ISIL or ISIS or whatever they are called are committing genocidal acts against the Muslim, Christian and Jewish populace in whatever territory they control. Our President has already mistreated the PM in the past, yet you are surprised when the PM accepted Mr. Boehner's invitation? Once again free speech is a right under our constitution unless the liberals decide it should not be heard. This would not be occurring if the President engaged with the PM, instead, the White House strategy is to enrage the PM.
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Iran is on record as promising to wipe the state of Israel off of the map.
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Actually, "Iran is on record as promising to wipe [the Zionist entity] off of the map." It's verboten for them to say "Israel," much less "God's chosen people."
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Actually, "Iran is on record as promising to wipe [the Zionist entity] off of the map." It's verboten for them to say "Israel," much less "God's chosen people."
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Mike W - Glenside PA
worth a read:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/201212485135149579.html
worth a read:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/201212485135149579.html
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"Iran is on record as promising to wipe the state of Israel off of the map".
Not so.
While the Iranian leadership has stated publicly that the "zionist entity" should never have been created and therefore should not exist on the map, this does NOT translate into an Iranian military threat. Iranians are smart enough to realize that any military offensive would be suicidal. In the long term the Iranians may hope that demographic change and isolation will end up wiping the name “Israel” off the map.
Not so.
While the Iranian leadership has stated publicly that the "zionist entity" should never have been created and therefore should not exist on the map, this does NOT translate into an Iranian military threat. Iranians are smart enough to realize that any military offensive would be suicidal. In the long term the Iranians may hope that demographic change and isolation will end up wiping the name “Israel” off the map.
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It's obviously political, we can see it all the way up here in Canada. No patriotic US congressman should attend a lecture by a foreigner in their own house.
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I want to hear what Mr. Netanyahu has to say to the American people. Anyone who doesn't want to hear his view as the duly elected representative of America's longest-standing ally in the Middle East has an easy option. Don't listen, don't learn.
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"don't listen or learn" send him packing
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Prime Minister Benjamin has made two joint addresses to Congress (1976 and 1994), he has been standing still since then. So I am quite sure he has nothing new to say.
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We all know what he's going to say. He just wants a photo-op for a tight election in Israel.
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Adults behaving like children. And we wonder why the world is in the shape it is in. Go figure. This is a sad and unnecessary situation.
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Prime Minister Netanhayu has courageously taken a Churchillian stance, which is an embarrassment to the Obama Administration intent upon feckless appeasement of the Iranian radical Islamists. What is destructive of Israeli-U.S. ties has been the actions of the Obama Administration. It is absurd for Susan Rice to blame Prime Minister Netanhayu.
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Churchill? Are you serious?
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Netanyaho's refusal to meet privately with the two Democratic senators shows that Netanyaho is insincere.
He does not want to discuss US policy.
He knows what he wants and he thinks he can get it by going around Obama.
If Boehner and the GOP had any decency they would tell Bibi that the president makes foreign policy and withdraw the invitation.
But Boehner, McConnell and the GOP opportunists just want to gain partisan advantage and think this invitation to Bibi will help them with the Jewish voters especially in NY and Florida.
He does not want to discuss US policy.
He knows what he wants and he thinks he can get it by going around Obama.
If Boehner and the GOP had any decency they would tell Bibi that the president makes foreign policy and withdraw the invitation.
But Boehner, McConnell and the GOP opportunists just want to gain partisan advantage and think this invitation to Bibi will help them with the Jewish voters especially in NY and Florida.
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I submit if he was invited to speak to the whole Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he would probably meet to discuss US-Israel policy. As he is speaking to the full Congress, Democrats and Republicans, the Senate invitation should have been bipartisan as well.
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If Boehner and the GOP had any decency they would tell Bibi that the president makes foreign policy
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Yes, the results of the President, and Hillary, and Kerry's foreign policy expertise are plain for all the world to see. In fact, that's what Bibi is trying to tell us: They failed.
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Yes, the results of the President, and Hillary, and Kerry's foreign policy expertise are plain for all the world to see. In fact, that's what Bibi is trying to tell us: They failed.
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No, he isn't insincere. If they want to meet with him, he will be there to speak. The dems are purposely making this divisive. You are blind any time it's your opportunists, but obviously hyper-aware of anything to the right of you. Very one-sided of you!
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I am not sure if "destructive" is the right word, but it is a violation of normal protocol and does not say much for Netanyahu's respect for American political norms.
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What is truly appalling is that this administration is seeking to drive a wedge between the US and Israel. Instead of welcoming the leader of our greatest ally in the Middle East, they decide to excoriate him publicly for wanting to give a speech. All of the negative rhetoric is clearly coming from the White House.
If you disagree with a foreign leaders policies, fine, do so gently. But telling everyone that you find his actions destructive is signaling to the world the US is no longer close to Israel.
If you disagree with a foreign leaders policies, fine, do so gently. But telling everyone that you find his actions destructive is signaling to the world the US is no longer close to Israel.
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"all the negative rhetoric"? You apparently ignore the fact that Mr. Boehner, who has no constitutional authority in the matter of foreign policy, invited a foreign head of state to speak to the Congress to specifically contradict the current administration policy in Iran. Mr. Netanyahu, discounting protocol completely, sees only an opportunity for himself to bolster what is seemingly a fall in popularity at home 2 weeks before election time. Both moves are negative and destructive to the U.S. and Susan Rice is correct.
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If you hold up a mirror to this comment, it would be bit more accurate.
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No. It's Netanyahu who is acting destructively, just as Rice says. He's the one whose actions "drive a wedge between the US and Israel." His contemptuous treatment of the President in order to play politics at home, as well as here, is an insult to America and a basic violation of what it means to be "allies."
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The President's supporters choose to ignore a very basic fact that he believes that a nuclear program for Iran is inevitable and negotiating this in spite of opposition from Israel and Saudi Arabia. I, personally consider this childish and foolish step as the deadline is getting extended because of non cooperation from Iran. Some regimes are like dog tail - however you try you can't straighten that.
So, this dissent of PM Netanyahu is genuine and timely to tell the President that he is living in a fantasy world where a nuclear Iran wont bully like Russia.
So, this dissent of PM Netanyahu is genuine and timely to tell the President that he is living in a fantasy world where a nuclear Iran wont bully like Russia.
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Your view is inaccurate and distorted. Mr. Netanyahu is a foreign head of state and should have no option of addressing our U.S. Congress specifically to oppose our President's foreign policy with another country. Mr. Boehner, who has no authority in matters of foreign policy under the constitution, is completely out of line in his "invitation" to Mr. Netanyahu. Two self-serving individuals ignoring their duties to their own countries.
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@lotusflower: The separation of powers in the US Constitution was designed to eliminate tyranny. A nuclear armed Iran will increase tyranny. Wouldn't make sense to bend the rules of protocol in if it helps prevent tyrants from acquiring immense destructive power?
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@Citizen - Once again, the Republicans are more than willing to ignore the Constitution, rule of law, protocol, whatever, to get what they want. Time and time again, the ends always justifies the means. I've asked before and I'll ask again, why do you all even bother with a country based on democracy? Why do you stay? You don't believe in the rule of law, you believe in the law of rule. Unbelievable!
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The disrespect that the Republicans have for our President knows no boundaries. It's appalling and this invitation to Mr. Netanyahu serves no purpose other than trying to embarrass our President. Shameful.
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The disrespect Obama has for the Constitution knows no bounds. Shameful.
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Eric - You apparently have little knowledge of the Constitution or you would know that what Mr. Boehner has done is in direct conflict with matters of foreign policy outlined in said Constitution.
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lotus...you would be wrong. Nowhere does it say he can't do this. And it is actually done quite a lot. Think of the Pope coming this Fall. They often have people come and speak to the congress. Perhaps you are the one with little knowledge?
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More absurd posturing by both sides. Will this affect the hundreds of millions of dollars we dole out to Israel each and every month? No. Our government is bought and paid for by the representatives of a foreign state and their allies here at home. Iran may indeed pose a threat to Israel but not to the United States. Let Israel deal with it and let's keep American troops and money here in the U.S.
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Don't worry Bibi - the only relationship ruined is the one that was never there in the first place - with Obama himself. True Americans still value Israel and are committed to preventing a nuclear Iran. This "administration" is very temporary, don't let them try to bully you.
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"True Americans still value Israel" - about as tribal as it gets.
And Obama is about as "temporary" as two terms.
Give it up, Republicans. Bibi and Boehner are both wrong, and you darn well know it.
And Obama is about as "temporary" as two terms.
Give it up, Republicans. Bibi and Boehner are both wrong, and you darn well know it.
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I always thought Americans were very patriotic. Now I hear that "true Americans" accept the fact that their government is under the influence of a foreign government.
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Bibi needs to stay home and convince his own nation he's right.
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The Obama administration is right, Netanyahu is an enemy of peace and also of America's right to have our own foreign policy based on America's own interests. His arrogant behavior is an embarrassment to Israel, just as his horrible policies are a tragedy for mankind.
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If Netanyahu and Israel want to go their own way, alone, we should let them. But we cannot allow him to so blatantly interject himself into our political process. even if it is with Boehner's invitation. I don't say this lightly -- I have been a very long-time supporter of Israel. But they are stepping over a line here and there have to be consequences.
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Esteban,
What is wrong with Susan Rice's criticism of the upcoming Netanyahu's address as destructive to our ties? Her observation is spot on. He cannot just come here and dictate our Foreign Policy. Or did he mistake our Congress for the Knesset? If he had bones to pick, diplomatic or backroom channels are always open to Israel. And our almost did'nt make it Speaker, Boehner does not help because no matter what, partisanship ends at our borders. Time we cut the apron strings. The ever sulky child has outgrown them.
What is wrong with Susan Rice's criticism of the upcoming Netanyahu's address as destructive to our ties? Her observation is spot on. He cannot just come here and dictate our Foreign Policy. Or did he mistake our Congress for the Knesset? If he had bones to pick, diplomatic or backroom channels are always open to Israel. And our almost did'nt make it Speaker, Boehner does not help because no matter what, partisanship ends at our borders. Time we cut the apron strings. The ever sulky child has outgrown them.
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America why are you getting in the middle of a very local vicious election (not American)? A few days ago the Israeli Power Authority turned down the electricity in Palestinian held territories just to show off who had the true power. Not a bunch I would trust if we were stupid enough to think Iran has all of a sudden became a world influence. Which they haven't.
Again, Boehner - why did you agree to this speech?
Again, Boehner - why did you agree to this speech?
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It's not "America" getting involved, it's specifically Mr. Boehner and Mr. Netanyahu who have clearly lost their moral compass settings.
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Thanks Susan. Many of us figured out Netanyahu's speech was for political gain first and foremost with an election coming up in Israel soon.
What has some heads shaking is how Boehner got suckered into this. He knows procedure as well as anyone. Yet, he gave the invitation.
What has some heads shaking is how Boehner got suckered into this. He knows procedure as well as anyone. Yet, he gave the invitation.
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Glad to see most comments are as appalled at this coup attempt by Boehner and Dermer and Bibi.
They know what we think though, and what the WH thinks, and Netanyahu will still arrogantly go before Congress like he owns the place and spit in the face of not just Democrats but the President and all of us. And say he's so concerned about Israel's existential threat from Iran. He truly has no shame but worse for us are Adelson & the neo-cons enabling him, from Boehner on down.
Disgusting, unprecedented, horrible. No honor just dirty tricks. Nixon would blush at his lies and tactics.
They know what we think though, and what the WH thinks, and Netanyahu will still arrogantly go before Congress like he owns the place and spit in the face of not just Democrats but the President and all of us. And say he's so concerned about Israel's existential threat from Iran. He truly has no shame but worse for us are Adelson & the neo-cons enabling him, from Boehner on down.
Disgusting, unprecedented, horrible. No honor just dirty tricks. Nixon would blush at his lies and tactics.
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This administration has done nothing but claim that they are Israel's allies yet Obama has repeatedly tried to tell them how to run their country, keeps telling them don't do this, don't to that, they are putting the relationship in jeopardy because they are not doing what Obama wants but Obama will allow Iran to have their nuclear arms agreement? Really? No wonder the problem child will not listen to the bully. Obama has alienated so many countries that hardly anyone listens to him anymore. THAT is dangerous but not as dangerous as allowing Iran to be able to nuke Israel since we all know that it is what they want to do. Heck Saudi Arabia doesn't want it but good old Obama and his bullies are going to do it anyway and Saudi Arabia is a staunch ally for now
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It's been the history of the US to tell other nations what to do, always and constantly. When they don't do as their told, we send in the coverts and create regime change. You'll need to find a better reason than that one to make your point. Sorry.
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I am delighted the President Obama recognizes that the interests of the United States and not necessary the same as Israel. As far as I know the United States does not have a treaty with Israel. Having the United States drawn into another war in the Middle East would be a huge mistake. The “special friendship” that exists between the two nations one that needs to be reevaluated.
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Bibi is speaking to a JOINT Session of Congress with both parties in attendance (and possibly some Democrats boycotting). Feinstein invited him to a Democrats only meeting (maybe assuming he would decline, justifying the boycott).
If she had invited him to a FULL Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting, he may have been more inclined to accept.
If she had invited him to a FULL Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting, he may have been more inclined to accept.
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Netanyahu should not be addressing Congress in any way, shape or form.
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He is deliberately breaching US protocol and aligning with a highly partisan (and seditious) Speaker so I highly doubt that he is concerned about the appearance of impropriety in a simple meeting that no one would have batted an eye had he accepted.
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Arrogance leads you to wrong decision one of which is political suicide. That is what we are witnessing today with Mr. Netanyahu’s behavior. Time will tell.
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First Netanyahu disrespects the President of the United States, then he disrespects Democratic members of Congress. It will be interesting to see If voters in Israel want to change the relationship between the US and Israel into mainly just a relationship between the Likud party and the Republican Party. If Israeli voters keep Netanyahu in office, I think they’ll regret it in the long run.
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The problem with protocol is that when Boehner wanted to invite Netanyahu in 2011, he went through protocol and sent a request to the White House. The White House ignored the request. I am sure Boehner remembered the prior snub, assumed the White House would ignore his request, and invited Netanyahu directly.
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Or maybe Boehner should stop thinking it's his way or the highway and stop acting like it's a good idea to invite a neocon enabler to speak before Congress.
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Kyle LV - so, when Boehner don't get what he wants, he just goes it on his own. Yep, sounds exactly like Republican thinking. And the Repubs want total and complete power again. Oy, veh!
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Oh come on, Netanyahu, we know Iran is was even close to, or interested in, developing a nuclear weapon from none other than Mossad in leaked cables right after that ridiculous UN speech with the bomb prop.
The gig is up, but this man will still attempt to undermine the United States president and push us into another war in the Middle East. He probably estimates with the know-nothing GOP in power, there is a decent chance we will strike Iran for him. And why not, we invaded Iraq in no small part at the behest of Netanyahu and his neocon bidders.
Let's not tiptoe around the truth: Israel is a vicious apartheid nuclear armed state that breaks international law with impunity because the United States lets them. This is a stain on our country.
There should be no attempt to repair the relationship for the duration of Obama's presidency. There should be the coldest of shoulders for Israel. End all aid, cut all ties, and do it now.
The gig is up, but this man will still attempt to undermine the United States president and push us into another war in the Middle East. He probably estimates with the know-nothing GOP in power, there is a decent chance we will strike Iran for him. And why not, we invaded Iraq in no small part at the behest of Netanyahu and his neocon bidders.
Let's not tiptoe around the truth: Israel is a vicious apartheid nuclear armed state that breaks international law with impunity because the United States lets them. This is a stain on our country.
There should be no attempt to repair the relationship for the duration of Obama's presidency. There should be the coldest of shoulders for Israel. End all aid, cut all ties, and do it now.
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Yes good idea. Let's promote friendship and treaties with all the other wonderful democracies in the Middle East. Oh I forgot there aren't any. By the way the Saudis and Egyptians are going to align with Israel against a future nuclear Iran. Which side does that leave us on? What Obama has done to try to isolate Israel and promote and make excuses for countries that support terrorism is appalling. There has been nothing like it in US history.
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@Rob - so what would you have the US do? Start bombing? Just what we need, eh? While we're over there taking out Iran, why not just take out Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and anyone else we THINK might be a future problem since we're doing illegal, pre-emptive strikes?
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Ms. Rice. Do us all a favor and resign already. You never belonged in the National Security Advisor job in the first place.
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You are free to ask on your own behalf, but it is highly inaccurate to do so from "all us us". Susan Rice's take on this is spot on.
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You are referring to Dr. Condoleezza Rice, I'm sure.
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I have not particularly been a fan of Obama over the past 6 years except with his stance against Israel's pressure for us to attach Iran for them. The concept is outrageous. Obama has been following the correct course which is negotiations with Iran in an effort to avoid war and to reduce the nuclear threat. Exactly how it should be done. It is beyond understanding how we would even allow into this country another head of state who was so openly trying to manipulate our foreign policy and our interests. Bibi and his money people in the US such as Edelson have even managed to hijack the Republican party into influencing our foreign policy to whatever Israel wants it to be. The Republican should be embarrassed that they were trapped into actually extending an invitation to Bibi to speak to his agenda. Maybe it is time we ban Bibi from the US, force AIPAC to register as an agency of a foreign government, and eliminate our annual aid to Israel. We need peace and a relationship with Iran.
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I don't always agree with Netanyahu, but he is an articulate and intelligent person. We should welcome him here any time.
Besides, Washington is already broken and Obama and Rice have contributed to the break significantly. Protocol doesn't apply in a badly broken system.
Besides, Washington is already broken and Obama and Rice have contributed to the break significantly. Protocol doesn't apply in a badly broken system.
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"Protocol doesn't apply in a badly broken system." This is the Republican party, through and through. This is why you hear calls for states to secede, for nullification (disregard federal statues) with regards to firearms, gay marriage, wage and labor and the Supreme's Con-5 turning stare decisis on its head. Since the ardent Conservative supporters only believe in the law of rule, not the rule of law, I can't for the life of me figure out why they stay here. They don't want to take "their" county back, they just want to take the country. Period.
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Bibi please go home as our partisan politics, our ineffective Congress, our lack of proper leadership in the House and the Senate are a big enough mess without your unwanted an unwarranted interference. Please go home and play politics on your own turf. Bug out.
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Can anyone or thing be right always all of the time. Is being critical of my son a sign I do not love him? Bibi and Barack should not be joined at the hip. Meaning each one has a right and obligation to be critical of the other. To put the relationship on the line because these two leaders dare to disagree is ridicules and needs to stop. If friends cannot disagree with their friend are they truly friends. In short Bibi is speaking and Barack is not listening, so what. The question should be why what Bibi thinks has so much influence on our congress. Objectively if this is true how can there ever be a fair deal with anyone
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I get that the White House is chagrined that Speaker Boehner invited Prime Minister Netanyahu to make his case in front of a meeting of the full Congress. The President and his executive staff (including Ms. Rice) should get over themselves and check into the meaning of "three equal branches of the Federal government."
Now, I do not get the actions of Senator Diane Feinstein and Representative Dick Durbin to decide not to attend Netanyahu's address to Congress, while inviting him to address a private group of Democratic senators and Congressmen only. This bypasses the leadership of the legislative branch and stamps all over bipartisan ethos.
Ms. Rice is an advisor to the President. She should stick to that role.
Now, I do not get the actions of Senator Diane Feinstein and Representative Dick Durbin to decide not to attend Netanyahu's address to Congress, while inviting him to address a private group of Democratic senators and Congressmen only. This bypasses the leadership of the legislative branch and stamps all over bipartisan ethos.
Ms. Rice is an advisor to the President. She should stick to that role.
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Perhaps you should check the Constitution, which delegates powers to the three branches of government, and foreign policy rests only with the President along with the Secretary of State and its various ambassadors. Neither Mr. Boehner, nor any part, section, party or person of Congress has any authority at all in those matters.
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@lotusflower0. That's just not right. If the Netanyahu invitation were really against the Constitution, then this dispute would already be in front of the Supreme Court. It's not. Congress has the right to invite whoever it wants to speak. It may be misguided, but apparently it's quite Constitutional.
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@abo - "If the Netanyahu invitation were really against the Constitution, then this dispute would already be in front of the Supreme Court. " Surely you jest. You do know how the legal system works, don't you?
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Netanyahu reminds me of someone who once sent Albert Einstein a a complex paper offering a new theory of the universe. After studying it for about 30 minutes, Einstein turned to his assistant and said: This man is a fool. He can calculate but he can't think.
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It has been accepted practice for decades to not hold visits of this nature when a political leader is soon to face the electorate. The world's democracies do not allow themselves to be used by a foreign politician to influence voters. Netanyahu's visit and speech are completely inappropriate.
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The Republicans have invited a foreign head of state into our country to influence an ongoing political debate. Our Founding Fathers would have called this treason. Today's Republicans call it business as usual.
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Mr. Netanyahu's destructive contributions have recently been affirmed by the leaked intelligence documents that show his allegation at the UN last year that Iran was close to a nuclear bomb were refuted by his own intelligence agency - Mossad. Why has this not be more widely reported by the US press?
What more evidence is required that this man is not for peace, but for sustaining an on-going upheaval between the West and other countries in the Middle East, in order to ensure his own on-going power and influence.
President Obama is quite right in his stance.
If the people of the US wish to entertain another potential overseas conflict, and see more flag draped coffins arrive carrying the bodies of their soldiers, then feel free to support the Republican position.
What more evidence is required that this man is not for peace, but for sustaining an on-going upheaval between the West and other countries in the Middle East, in order to ensure his own on-going power and influence.
President Obama is quite right in his stance.
If the people of the US wish to entertain another potential overseas conflict, and see more flag draped coffins arrive carrying the bodies of their soldiers, then feel free to support the Republican position.
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Growing up during the Cold War we repeatedly heard the phrase "Mutually Assured Destruction" of MAD for short. The thinking behind that was that if either the Soviert Union or the US launched a nuclear strike, neither side could eliminate all of the other's nuclear weapons which would be fired and, poof, both countries would cease to exist. Israel has nuclear weapons and Iran knows that. Iran knows that they could not knock out all of Israel's nukes in a pre-emptive strike and would thus suffer the consequences. The concept of MAD while unsettling, kept the hawks on both sides of the Cold War at bay. I suggest that the same would exist for Israel and Iran. Attacking Iran conventionally will result in widspread death and destruction. The US may do well to remember its' history and back away from attacks and focus on non-lethal methods to address this issue.
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EC - thank you! No one seems to even get this!
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Obama may think lifting sanctions for a time limited agreement on Iran not producing a nuclear bomb is a "good deal." Most Americans don't want ANY country who believes they have to blow up the world to reach Heaven to have the bomb.
Israel is not going to let this nasty bit of appeasement go unnoticed. Hence, the Democrats discomfort with Natanyahu's speech before a Joint Session of Congress.
"Dangerous incompetence" rears it's ugly head again.
Israel is not going to let this nasty bit of appeasement go unnoticed. Hence, the Democrats discomfort with Natanyahu's speech before a Joint Session of Congress.
"Dangerous incompetence" rears it's ugly head again.
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The only dangerous incompetence present in this whole matter are the actions of John Boehner and B. Netanyahu.
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There are a lot of fundamentalist Christian right wingers, the Christian Zionists, who want the Israelis to rule all of Biblical Israel, with all the Jews of the world gathering there so that most of them, those who do not convert to Christianity, can be killed in the Battle of Armageddon and the Christians can go the heaven when the world ends. These fundamentalists have extraordinary influence on the Republican party.
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The one-sided support of Israel's violations of Palestinian civil rights and lives has brought down the wrath of the Moslem world around the globe and fueled the losses we have suffered in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and elsewhere.
It seems that Netanyahu and his associates have never learned from their mistakes. Instead of attempting to set up a friendly Jewish state they have crudely deprived their Palestinian neighbors of their rights and lands while claiming the right to defend themselves as if they were innocent of the crimes they have committed. "Lest we forget" has become a hollow admonition as one looks at the harsh Israeli treatment of their relatively powerless neighbors.
It seems that Netanyahu and his associates have never learned from their mistakes. Instead of attempting to set up a friendly Jewish state they have crudely deprived their Palestinian neighbors of their rights and lands while claiming the right to defend themselves as if they were innocent of the crimes they have committed. "Lest we forget" has become a hollow admonition as one looks at the harsh Israeli treatment of their relatively powerless neighbors.
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To think about this simply, international politics can often be compared to interpersonal dynamics. In this case Israel is a spoiled child who has been given all the toys it's wanted by it's enabling parents (US) out of fear that the child will throw a public tantrum or misbehave in school, so to speak. As with a spoiled child, Netanyahu will keep wanting more until the US sets firmer boundaries. In this vein, Obama is correct in ignoring this latest tantrum.
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Speaker Boehner's collusion with a foreign leader to subvert American foreign policy and our national interest (to possibly avoid another disastrous war in the Middle East), to my mind constitutes treason. He should arrested forthwith, clapped in irons, an be marched to the nearest federal detention center pending trial.....And as for Mr Netanyahu, he should be barred from entry to the the U.S. as dangerous and undesirable alien.
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Our relationship with Israel is the most clear and present national security threat. All the actions of the last many decades point to this. CIA officers and Defense personnel have been stating this for a long time.
If the latest leaks by the Israeli's of sensitive negotiation details aren't enough just the hold that a foreign country has on our elected representatives should be viewed as an existential threat by the security establishment.
Susan Rice is the NSA. It is her job to put America first, unlike all of these commentators supporting Netanyahu who clearly are more loyal to Israel than to their own country.
If the latest leaks by the Israeli's of sensitive negotiation details aren't enough just the hold that a foreign country has on our elected representatives should be viewed as an existential threat by the security establishment.
Susan Rice is the NSA. It is her job to put America first, unlike all of these commentators supporting Netanyahu who clearly are more loyal to Israel than to their own country.
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It seems like Netanyahu has embarked on a path that isn't good for Israel in that it splits what was previously bipartisan support by the congress, and alienates him from the American people who definitely don't support foreign politicians setting US policy. On the other hand, it probably isn't good for his reelection bid either because Israeli citizens are savvy enough to understand the damage being done. This episode reminds me of when Netanyahu injected himself in the US election by aligning with Romney.
Yet, Netanyahu is himself a savvy politician, so why is he doing this? To understand, we shouldn't form opinions based on what is being said, but instead look behind the scenes and "follow the money". Perhaps his funders (Sheldon Adelson?) are directing his efforts and he has no choice but to comply to keep the funds flowing? Would similar reasoning also explain Boehner's hapless playing along? I think some investigative reporting is in order.
Yet, Netanyahu is himself a savvy politician, so why is he doing this? To understand, we shouldn't form opinions based on what is being said, but instead look behind the scenes and "follow the money". Perhaps his funders (Sheldon Adelson?) are directing his efforts and he has no choice but to comply to keep the funds flowing? Would similar reasoning also explain Boehner's hapless playing along? I think some investigative reporting is in order.
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Netanyahu correctly recognizes that he is free to do as he pleases and no American President (especially this one) will do anything more dramatic than send one of his underlings to voice disagreement. The billions in aid to Israel will continue unabated and unconditionally. The ruse that the US can play the honest broker in Israel-Palestine conflict was exposed some decades ago.
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Having returned from 2 weeks in Israel. I spoke with many Israelis ranging in age from 17-65, I travelled between Tel Aviv & Jerusalem. Israel in many ways is a mirror image of the US. Opinions differ between age, economic groups and locations. The majority of people believe that BN is the best and only choice to continue as PM . Younger people feel there should be a change. Many of the billboards in the Tel Aviv area featured the Herzog/Livni ticket.
I fully support BN addressing our Congress. Israel is a vital and strategic ally and is the recipient of specific threats of annihilation by Iran, an enemy of the US, sponsor of terrorism and supporter and facilitator of Al Queda, Assad, Hezbollah, Hamas & Sinai terrorist groups attacking Egypt.
All US aid provided to Israel must be spent in the US, Israel is part of the F35 program, shares vital intelligence with US agencies. Israel is not a threat to any of its neighbors, has made concessions such as a settlement freeze in 2010, release of murderers in 2014 while the PA has not budged at all in any attempt to reconcile the situation.
BO is desperate for a foreign affairs 'accomplishment" which will just pause the Iranian nuclear program. Iran has a ballistic missile on the launch pad awaiting a warhead to use against Israel.
Iran is not a friend of the US and never will be. Israel is a like minded society with western values. Americans should welcome what BN has to say and democrats are doing a service not to attend.
I fully support BN addressing our Congress. Israel is a vital and strategic ally and is the recipient of specific threats of annihilation by Iran, an enemy of the US, sponsor of terrorism and supporter and facilitator of Al Queda, Assad, Hezbollah, Hamas & Sinai terrorist groups attacking Egypt.
All US aid provided to Israel must be spent in the US, Israel is part of the F35 program, shares vital intelligence with US agencies. Israel is not a threat to any of its neighbors, has made concessions such as a settlement freeze in 2010, release of murderers in 2014 while the PA has not budged at all in any attempt to reconcile the situation.
BO is desperate for a foreign affairs 'accomplishment" which will just pause the Iranian nuclear program. Iran has a ballistic missile on the launch pad awaiting a warhead to use against Israel.
Iran is not a friend of the US and never will be. Israel is a like minded society with western values. Americans should welcome what BN has to say and democrats are doing a service not to attend.
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finally someone with COMMON SENSE!!! thank you!
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Unless there's something new since October 2012, Netanyahu has already stated his case:
Red Lines in the Sand: Israel's credibility problem on Iran.
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been campaigning for an unambiguous red line to stop Iran’s nuclear advance. In an infelicitous foray into American politics last month, he took to the Sunday morning television shows to insist that Barack Obama act to stop Iran, saying, “You have to place that red line before them now.” Smarting from the Obama administration’s refusals, he challenged the U.S. president with the zinger: “Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.” Then, at the U.N. General Assembly meeting, he held up a cartoon of a bomb and with a marker drew a red line, declaring that Iran could not be allowed to produce a stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium sufficient (after further enrichment) for its first nuclear bomb. On the current trajectory, as laid out in the public reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran will reach that point in about six months.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/11/red-lines-in-the-sand/
Red Lines in the Sand: Israel's credibility problem on Iran.
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been campaigning for an unambiguous red line to stop Iran’s nuclear advance. In an infelicitous foray into American politics last month, he took to the Sunday morning television shows to insist that Barack Obama act to stop Iran, saying, “You have to place that red line before them now.” Smarting from the Obama administration’s refusals, he challenged the U.S. president with the zinger: “Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.” Then, at the U.N. General Assembly meeting, he held up a cartoon of a bomb and with a marker drew a red line, declaring that Iran could not be allowed to produce a stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium sufficient (after further enrichment) for its first nuclear bomb. On the current trajectory, as laid out in the public reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran will reach that point in about six months.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/11/red-lines-in-the-sand/
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Netanyahu is no ally of the U.S. in his planned actions, they are self-serving in what he perceives as an advantage for himself 2 weeks before an election. His His blatant rudeness is eclipsed only by Boehner's.
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As a secular Jew, I was nervous during the run up to the Second Iraq war about the disproportionately high percentage of visible Jews among the neo-cons advising George Bush. I worried that in the event the war was a national failure it would be all too easy to identify it as a disaster brought upon America by the Jews. Despite the obvious failure of the neo-con foreign policies there has not been in the United States a significant increase in Anti-Semitism; however, Netanyahu is playing with fire as confirmed by many of the comments below
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You were right to be nervous. American lives were sacrificed in vain due to the propaganda endlessly repeated by the likes of Wolfowitz and Perle.
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No question the visit is ill timed , but let it serve as a lesson to the American establishment ( government , business ) , to stop cajoling to the jewish vote , and surrender its national interest . What is good for the US is not necessarily best for Israel and viceversa. If Israel wants to start a war against Iran , let them go for it.
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Netanyahu is the Republican's latest champion in their desperate fight to destroy President Obama. In the words of a more impetuous president - Bring it on! As for Netanyahu, he'd be smart to look into his retirement plan so there are no surprises.
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Obama is doing a fine job making himself look absolutely INCOMPETENT
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Protecting Israel is an important policy interest of the United States, and has been the position of the U.S. government for many years. Israel is entitled to its own defense and its own foreign policy, and its Prime Minister has a right to make public statements regarding matters affecting it.
None of that is in dispute -- and none of that is at issue in the current controversy.
Under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, it is the President, not the Senate, House, or Congress, who is the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces, and who has the power to conduct foreign affairs by appointing ambassadors and negotiating treaties. Congress may have the power to fund the armed forces and make formal declarations of war, and the Senate may have the power to advise and consent on the appointment of ambassadors and the ratification of treaties, but the command of the armed forces and the conduct of foreign policy clearly belongs to the President, not Congress,
It is the job of the President, the Secretary of State, and the President's ambassadors to invite foreign heads of state to make official visits to the U.S. It is emphatically not the job of the Speaker, or the House, to do so.
Israel's Prime Minister is free to speak -- but bypassing both the President and the State Department to deal directly with Congress, and doing so in a politically partisan manner, immediately prior to an election in Israel, is a breach of diplomatic norms and highly inappropriate.
None of that is in dispute -- and none of that is at issue in the current controversy.
Under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, it is the President, not the Senate, House, or Congress, who is the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces, and who has the power to conduct foreign affairs by appointing ambassadors and negotiating treaties. Congress may have the power to fund the armed forces and make formal declarations of war, and the Senate may have the power to advise and consent on the appointment of ambassadors and the ratification of treaties, but the command of the armed forces and the conduct of foreign policy clearly belongs to the President, not Congress,
It is the job of the President, the Secretary of State, and the President's ambassadors to invite foreign heads of state to make official visits to the U.S. It is emphatically not the job of the Speaker, or the House, to do so.
Israel's Prime Minister is free to speak -- but bypassing both the President and the State Department to deal directly with Congress, and doing so in a politically partisan manner, immediately prior to an election in Israel, is a breach of diplomatic norms and highly inappropriate.
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I would agree with you if we did not have a President that obstructs anyone who does not agree with our fearless leader's narrative. I personally will pay more attention to Mr. Netanyau's speech than I did to Obama's long-winded speil at the State of the Union address during which he said basically nothing.
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Rather ironic, isn't it? Republicans accuse Obama of violating the Constitution, and then apparently violate the same Constitution by inviting Bibi to address Congress.
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not content to call me, a US Citizen, an enemy they now claim our best/strongest ally in the region is destructive. this country has really had a very bad 6 years.
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Yeah. Right. After the paradise of the previous 8 years. Tell it to those who died in vain.
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I'm not sure who called you an enemy, but the Republicans haven't ceased with this "unAmerican, unpatriotic" dribble since at least the 1950's (which is pretty much where their foreign and domestic policies reside).
Now, to the meat of your comment: Israel is only a strategic partner, not an ally. There are no signed accords or treaties between the US and Israel. And this isn't the first time relations have been strained:
"The Reassessment Crisis"
"In early 1975, the Israeli government turned down a US initiative for further redeployment in Sinai. President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by sending Prime Minister Rabin a letter stating that Israeli intransigence has complicated US worldwide interests, and therefore the administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted. The reassessment crisis came to an end with the Israeli-Egyptian disengagement of forces agreement of 4 September 1975."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Seems like Israel's intransigence is bipartisan. Who'd a thunk it?
Now, to the meat of your comment: Israel is only a strategic partner, not an ally. There are no signed accords or treaties between the US and Israel. And this isn't the first time relations have been strained:
"The Reassessment Crisis"
"In early 1975, the Israeli government turned down a US initiative for further redeployment in Sinai. President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by sending Prime Minister Rabin a letter stating that Israeli intransigence has complicated US worldwide interests, and therefore the administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted. The reassessment crisis came to an end with the Israeli-Egyptian disengagement of forces agreement of 4 September 1975."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Seems like Israel's intransigence is bipartisan. Who'd a thunk it?
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The purpose of diplomacy is to reach agreements between two or more parties without resorting to violence. For diplomacy to work, certain social protocols must be followed, mutual respect must be shown, and contempt must be suppressed -- in short, the involved parties must behave in a civil manner.
John Boehner has created a diplomatic crisis by skirting protocols, showing utter contempt for President Obama, and demonstrating a lack of respect for the Office of the President. This is not a question about whether Mr. Netanyahu "should be heard," but rather about Speaker Boehner undermining U.S. *team* efforts to achieve positive outcomes in a very difficult part of the world. Mr. Boehner does not care about the U.S. as a team, but only about his own political ambitions.
We see lately the violent results of power vacuums that have been created (often by the U.S.) throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa. However, the most significant and most damaging power vacuum in the world today is the self-inflicted vacuum in the U.S. Our democracy is no longer an example for others to follow, but has instead become an object lesson in dysfunction and incivility.
John Boehner has created a diplomatic crisis by skirting protocols, showing utter contempt for President Obama, and demonstrating a lack of respect for the Office of the President. This is not a question about whether Mr. Netanyahu "should be heard," but rather about Speaker Boehner undermining U.S. *team* efforts to achieve positive outcomes in a very difficult part of the world. Mr. Boehner does not care about the U.S. as a team, but only about his own political ambitions.
We see lately the violent results of power vacuums that have been created (often by the U.S.) throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa. However, the most significant and most damaging power vacuum in the world today is the self-inflicted vacuum in the U.S. Our democracy is no longer an example for others to follow, but has instead become an object lesson in dysfunction and incivility.
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It is amazing that P.M. Netanyahu has already decided that an agreement that, as Sec. of State Kerry points out, has not been concluded will threaten the security of Israel. There are also reports, albeit unconfirmed, that the Mossad does not believe that Iran's nuclear program is not as far along as the Prime Minister claims.
The evidence is clear that though the current sanctions have hurt Iran, it has not effectively stopped it from proceeding with its nuclear program. Given the potential consequences of not coming to an agreement with Iran -- including a possible acceleration of Iran's program and the consequent need for military action by the US -- it seems that we must give realistic negotiations a chance and not, as Netanyahu wishes, stop them
His visit is, as he has said, an attempt to stop any agreement. As such, he lending support an increasingly bellicose Republican party that seems to see unending military action and the expenditure of more American lives and treasure in the Middle East as wise public policy.
The evidence is clear that though the current sanctions have hurt Iran, it has not effectively stopped it from proceeding with its nuclear program. Given the potential consequences of not coming to an agreement with Iran -- including a possible acceleration of Iran's program and the consequent need for military action by the US -- it seems that we must give realistic negotiations a chance and not, as Netanyahu wishes, stop them
His visit is, as he has said, an attempt to stop any agreement. As such, he lending support an increasingly bellicose Republican party that seems to see unending military action and the expenditure of more American lives and treasure in the Middle East as wise public policy.
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Israel's own intelligence services disputes Netanyahu's claims regarding the state of Iran's nuclear program.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
Even if this were not the case, moreover, Iran's leaders must know that Israel possesses enough nuclear weapons to level their country and kill millions in the event of an Iranian first strike. Say what you will about the Iranian leadership, but I cannot believe that they are suicidal.
Why, then, would Netanyahu choose to break with long-established diplomatic protocol and accept a speaking engagement extended behind the President's back by the leadership of the opposition party? Perhaps he genuinely believes, rightly or wrongly, that the termination of Iran's nuclear program is absolutely essential to Israel's security. But the reckless manner in which he has conducted himself suggests other motives. Maybe his motivations are purely political and intended to bolster his domestic standing on the eve of the Israeli elections. But maybe he has a darlker agenda, to spur neoconservatve Republicans to goad America into yet another costly and unwinnable war that would do nothing to advance American interests, for the purpose of neutralizing an Iranian government for its support of Hezbollah.
This is not America's fight.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
Even if this were not the case, moreover, Iran's leaders must know that Israel possesses enough nuclear weapons to level their country and kill millions in the event of an Iranian first strike. Say what you will about the Iranian leadership, but I cannot believe that they are suicidal.
Why, then, would Netanyahu choose to break with long-established diplomatic protocol and accept a speaking engagement extended behind the President's back by the leadership of the opposition party? Perhaps he genuinely believes, rightly or wrongly, that the termination of Iran's nuclear program is absolutely essential to Israel's security. But the reckless manner in which he has conducted himself suggests other motives. Maybe his motivations are purely political and intended to bolster his domestic standing on the eve of the Israeli elections. But maybe he has a darlker agenda, to spur neoconservatve Republicans to goad America into yet another costly and unwinnable war that would do nothing to advance American interests, for the purpose of neutralizing an Iranian government for its support of Hezbollah.
This is not America's fight.
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Mr. Netanyahu is just a proxy for the Neo-Cons. Maybe Rudy Guiliani can run on his ticket next time he is up for election.
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President Washington's Farewell Address: scroll down to the part about the folly of playing favorites among foreign countries.
Good advice then; good advice now.
Good advice then; good advice now.
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This isn't the first time BiBi has overplayed his hand, and I'm sure it won't be his last. He's assuming that the next president will be either the rabidly pro-Israel Republican candidate, fill-in-the-blank, or, the pathologically pro-Israel Democratic contender, Hillary Clinton. Either way, he's covered. Now, all he has to do is dodge Obama for a couple of years and he's home free.
Moderate Israeli's deserve better than the man they have. But, they've backed him, up to this point, so they can't squawk too much. It appears now that BiBi may have worn out his welcome even with his fellow citizens of Israel as increasing numbers of them are tiring of his chronic campaign of fear, much is which is done simply to keep money flowing from the American taxpayer.
Moderate Israeli's deserve better than the man they have. But, they've backed him, up to this point, so they can't squawk too much. It appears now that BiBi may have worn out his welcome even with his fellow citizens of Israel as increasing numbers of them are tiring of his chronic campaign of fear, much is which is done simply to keep money flowing from the American taxpayer.
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yeah you are right RJSTEELE...very similar to the Dems chronic campaign of fear, war on women, racism, victimization....
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that's in south carolina
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So you agree, then. Thank you for your support.
President Obama, when compared to former President George W. Bush, has not shown much political concern vis-a-vis Israel. Natanyahu's planned visit is not truly harmful to American’s historic relationship with Israel. Let us not forget that any foreign policy decision by the United States is always determined by the "best interests" of the USA and not the other party or side. The issue of debate - especially with Iran - is whether the track that the Obama administration is pursuing is really in the "best interests" of the United States. The combined political and military power/influence within Iran is certainly anti-Israeli and to a large extent, anti-American. Iran is seeking to be the exclusive "power broker" in that entire “middle east” region - hoping to remove any influence the USA might have in terms of military or political actions. Hence, as part of our healthy debate on Iran, there is no harm in bringing to the table the views of those folks who will need to live by the results of any changes vis-a-vis Iran. Lastly, let's be intellectually honest: the Obama administration knows that whatever agreement or treaty is obtained with Iran needs to be rectified/affirmed by the US Senate. It is dubious that such an Obama-Iran agreement will be approved by the current Senate. Hence, all we are seeking is a “sky is falling” reaction by those who see loyalty to President Obama as more important than objective analyses of the Iranian situation.
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For Mr. Netanyahu, Israel's leader to bypass the President of the United States and address the United States Congress is a diplomatic faux pas.
Clearly, Netanyahu is attempting to block President Obama from fulfilling the United States objective to forge a nuclear agreement with Iran.
This is tantamount to the Republican Party President George W. Bush lying to the United States citizenry about WMD, nuclear weopans that do not and did not exist, then using this trumped up excuse to put the United States into an unjustifiable, inhumane position of promoting war on an innocent country.
In the same venomous vein of toying with armegeddon, the Republican Party and Netanyahu again are inventing ways to destablilize global nuclear hostilities, and must be scrutinized and tried for profering another war in an openly hostile rebuke of both the President of the United States and the Nation of Iran who are on the brink of a milestone nuclear agreement.
Republican Party politics has exceded all rational boundaries, and now, unelected, attempts to obstruct foreign policy and replace the duly elected President by conducting foreign relations independently of the White House in Congress.
Clearly, Netanyahu is attempting to block President Obama from fulfilling the United States objective to forge a nuclear agreement with Iran.
This is tantamount to the Republican Party President George W. Bush lying to the United States citizenry about WMD, nuclear weopans that do not and did not exist, then using this trumped up excuse to put the United States into an unjustifiable, inhumane position of promoting war on an innocent country.
In the same venomous vein of toying with armegeddon, the Republican Party and Netanyahu again are inventing ways to destablilize global nuclear hostilities, and must be scrutinized and tried for profering another war in an openly hostile rebuke of both the President of the United States and the Nation of Iran who are on the brink of a milestone nuclear agreement.
Republican Party politics has exceded all rational boundaries, and now, unelected, attempts to obstruct foreign policy and replace the duly elected President by conducting foreign relations independently of the White House in Congress.
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Netanyahu has been at odds with Obama since his election, after Obama called for the halt to the building of settlements. Netanyahu is not used to an American president standing up to him instead of going along with with whatever he said. Netanyahu has chosen his side and it is NOT on the side of Democrats or our president unfortunately.
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What has to be considered here is this question:
Why Susan Rice and the rest of the Obama sycophants are more concerned with protecting Obama's ego than they are with protecting Israel, our only viable ally in the Middle East?
Why Susan Rice and the rest of the Obama sycophants are more concerned with protecting Obama's ego than they are with protecting Israel, our only viable ally in the Middle East?
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If Israel wants to be (seen as) an ally, it needs to act more like one. What have they done for US lately?
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You are clearly asking the wrong question. Also very clearly you are neither in DC, nor a Barrister, nor the person you are tying to project with your profile picture.
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You lost your credibility when you decided to use the term "sycophants." I suppose that gained you some points with those here who believe it is just fine to make an end run around the President of the United States. But you should be thinking about this nation first -- not John Boehner and his political allies. Well played? I think not.
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Obama's foreign policy has been "destructive".
He needs to silence his opposition because he cannot out reason them.
He needs to silence his opposition because he cannot out reason them.
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Every Israeli government since the inception of the State in 1948 has been treated by our adminstration as a favorite child, many times at the expense of our strategic interest in the region. If you Look at the region today you see no role for Israel, our so called strategic partner, helping us in current challenges we face, rather then pouring fuel on the fire by not listing to our repeated calls for a peaceful settlement with the Arab world. Enough is enough, I'm not going to second guess our President on Middle East Policy which first and foremost i elected to conduct in the interest of the U.S. not in the interest of any nation selfishly putting their's first.
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It's possible that it will be decades before the US elects another Republican President given the current disarray of the national party. If that comes to pass, Mr. Netanyahu's legacy will not be remembered fondly.
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i LONG for the day (perhaps my grandchildren will see it) when the truth about our relationship with israel is exposed and they are considered just another country like switzerland or zambia.
one can only hope.
one can only hope.
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When the Nazi's ruled Europe, the US sent all kinds of intelligence assets to Switzerland, while Allied military personnel escaping German prison camps found refuge there.
And due to its volatile neighborhood, the US has provided military advisers, and foreign aid, to Zambia in recent years.
Hope is not a strategy.
And due to its volatile neighborhood, the US has provided military advisers, and foreign aid, to Zambia in recent years.
Hope is not a strategy.
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"doing anything he can do to prevent" should include swallowing his pride and admitting that it was a mistake to accept Mr. Boener's invitation. But while Bibi's mouth is large when it comes to expounding his views and blaming others, it seems too small to chew up his own miscalculations.
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Bibi's problem in the US is that the American Jewish community is overwhelmingly and irredeemably Democratic, Liberal and Progressive in character. He's never going to succeed in enrolling them in a cheap and crude crusade against a liberal, progressive Democratic President. The Christian Republican right is another matter although at the time Israel came into existence they were often anti Semitic.
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Susan Rice is more of threat to this country than Mr. Netanyahu. That also goes for Mr. Obama. This administration is enabling Iran to construct the bomb. Mr. Obama is not inept or is he a fool. His actions are allowing Iran to obtain the bomb. It will be important to hear what Mr. Netanyahu has to say about all this.
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Len
Bush must have been a threat to this country then. He enabled Iran to build a bomb then since he never stopped them in 8 years. In fact he specifically blocked Israeli over flights over Iraq to prevent them attacking Iran. You've just defined Bush as a threat to this country.
Bush must have been a threat to this country then. He enabled Iran to build a bomb then since he never stopped them in 8 years. In fact he specifically blocked Israeli over flights over Iraq to prevent them attacking Iran. You've just defined Bush as a threat to this country.
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Disagree. And Bibi can speak from Israel.
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A lot of political posturing and histrionics, but I dont see the rest of the world caring about this particular event.
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PM Netenhayu and Speaker Bohner will cause more damage to U.S. -Israel relations than any other persons in history. This is not how normal human beings behave. Shame on them both. Israel and the U.S. deserve better.
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The Republicans will go to any length to hurt President Obama, even if it hurts the country in the process. Exhibit A: The Republicans calling for austerity after the crash when mainstream economics called for stimulus. The U.S. is not a family sitting around the kitchen table as the Republicans suggested it was.
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Prime Minister Netanyahu will bring his views to Congress. He may bring information that the current administration does not what discussed. He will put into perspective the ISIS threat, the War in Syria, Iran nuclear talks, Egypt, Libya, Muslim Brotherhood, Rocket attacks on Israel and terrorist. This is the equivalent of Winston Churchill addressing Congress in 1941. I can't understand why we wouldn't listen to what he has to say?
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The two speeches are hardly "equivalent." Churchill didn't address the congress in opposition to Roosevelt's policies and, in cooperation with the opposition, to undercut the administration's foreign policy. Check out youTube if you don't believe me. You'll see that Churchill and Roosevelt were very much on the same page, unlike the current situation.
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We shouldn't listen because he has zero role in US foreign policy and zero role in US governance. Israel is a foreign state dependent on the US for support, not the other way around.
Remember the USS Liberty if you want a history lesson in Israeli foreign policy manipulation of American interests.
Remember the USS Liberty if you want a history lesson in Israeli foreign policy manipulation of American interests.
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It is destructive. But it's been destructive all along, almost with everything Boehner touches. Blame Boehner, not Netanyahu. Boehner is the one who has made it his life's purpose to obstruct and divide. Netanyahu is just trying to protect his people and influence American policy. It's on Boehner to follow protocol.
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Protocol? What rule are they breaking? Obama publically met with UKs Cameron right before the UK elections. We're you as outraged when the M. Brotherhood was invited to the White House?
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The Republicans and Neti are moving toward war when peace is in view. There seems a big worry that peace might be at hand. You know what that would mean...
Israel will end up bombing Iran as a way to draw the US into a wider war.
Israel will end up bombing Iran as a way to draw the US into a wider war.
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"Israel will end up bombing Iran as a way to draw the US into a wider war."
That didn't happen after Israel bombed the reactors in Iraq and Syria, so why is this time different? Anyway, Israel doesn't have the military power to bomb Iran.
That didn't happen after Israel bombed the reactors in Iraq and Syria, so why is this time different? Anyway, Israel doesn't have the military power to bomb Iran.
If you believe letting Iran develop nuclear weapons is "peace is in view," then I think you should reassess your reading of history leading up to WWII. When the current leadership of Iran plainly states that when they go nuclear they will "wipe Israel off the face of the map," peace is not at hand.
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The "wider" war is already on...and it's been on.
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Unfortunately, Bibi and Boehner are two peas in a pod. Neither of them cares about anything other than staying in power and they do that by making people very afraid of boogeymen.
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Boy, the Times readership is really in an uproar over this visit. Only our president is allowed to speak with foreign leaders? I wasn't aware that was the law....
Do you folks recall Nancy Pelosi travelling to Syria, to speak with her good friend the peace-loving Assad, against W's wishes? Anyone? Buelller? Bueller?
It's also fascinating to see how many view Tines readers view this visit as a "slap" to "our first black President." Do these people believe that if a white President was about to enter a deal which more or less guarantees that Iran will get a nuke, that Bibi would behave any differently? Of course they do. To these people, it's all about race. It never ends.
This President's die hards / true believers think ANY criticism of O's (many) failures are by definition rooted in racism.
Do you folks recall Nancy Pelosi travelling to Syria, to speak with her good friend the peace-loving Assad, against W's wishes? Anyone? Buelller? Bueller?
It's also fascinating to see how many view Tines readers view this visit as a "slap" to "our first black President." Do these people believe that if a white President was about to enter a deal which more or less guarantees that Iran will get a nuke, that Bibi would behave any differently? Of course they do. To these people, it's all about race. It never ends.
This President's die hards / true believers think ANY criticism of O's (many) failures are by definition rooted in racism.
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You may likely depend on the same voices to blame Israel for the next round of Islamist attacks on their nation.
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Please stay home Mr Netanyahu. So tired of our Government's constant diplomatic interventions and the Aid! We could have rebuilt a good part of our road system here with the aid that has been given to the little money pit of the Middle East!! I don't work everyday so that I can pay the freight on Israel's never ending problems, stop reneging on every truce that brokered for you and deal with matters yourselves.
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When the US had nowhere to turn in August of 1945, we resorted to nuclear weapons to end World War 2.
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Sheldon Adelson is the one that is handling the cords of Netanyahu and the US Congressmen. He is the financier of their political careers and he is the one that decides their future....If something needs to be done the right man to talk is Adelson.
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All Democratic members of the House and Senate should show their support of our President and the protocols of foreign policy by boycotting Netanyahu's speech. Boehner's invitation to the Israeili Prime Minister was personally disrespectul to our current President and the historic role that the Presidency must have in guiding America's foreign policy.
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The Obama Administration initially supported Israel, dutifully attended and participated in AIPAC functions and supported Israel's right to exist.
Then Benjamin Netanyahu endorsed Mitt Romney in 2012.
Since then Mr. Obama and his team have condemned, ignored, ridiculed and undermined Israel's national security at every turn, while coddling Iran, the nation that poses the biggest threat to Israel's existence.
I have little to say about Susan Rice. Here in Washington, she self-marginalized with the Libya/You Tube video debacle years ago. At this point her ignorance is collateral damage to US foreign policy.
Then Benjamin Netanyahu endorsed Mitt Romney in 2012.
Since then Mr. Obama and his team have condemned, ignored, ridiculed and undermined Israel's national security at every turn, while coddling Iran, the nation that poses the biggest threat to Israel's existence.
I have little to say about Susan Rice. Here in Washington, she self-marginalized with the Libya/You Tube video debacle years ago. At this point her ignorance is collateral damage to US foreign policy.
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You speak for Washington? Good to know.
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The elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss it this: our blind alleigiance to everything Israel says and does has hurt our national security time and time again. We must understand that we can criticize Israel w/out being anti-semitic or racist. Saying that the Israeli government continues to illegally occupy land that belongs to others, and continues to colonize more and more land, and at the same time has instituted racist policies against the people who occupied that land, is not anti-semitic. There are more Jews in the United States than are in Israel. Not all of them believe in Zionism. Not all of them agree with Israel acting as a colonial government. You can be a Jew and be opposed to the policies of Israel. And you can hope for the day that the US deliberrates over which of Israel's policies to support or despise instead of knee-jerk supporting everything they do 100%. That unthinking, absolute support is what earns us more hatred than we deserve, and is what weakens our national security.
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You are so wrong - Israel was granted its land by allied leaders because of wha happened to them in WWII. How then is Israel occupying its land illegal?
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You seem to be discussing your dislike of Israel and Bibi. What does this have to do with a leader coming to the US to talk to Congress? Is it worse than have the Muslim Brotherhood invited to the White House?
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Obama has been much more destructive than Bibi.
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When I read comments like these by Ms. Rice, I can only count the months, weeks, days, hours and minutes until she and her boss are gone.
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We have only heard from the President and Secretary of State. This is a major issue and Americans deserve another voice. Surely the President is not so fragile he can't listen also. If his political allies want to walk out, fine. It is a weakness, not strength.
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We all know what Bibi is going to say. We don't need to allow hum use of the US Capitol as a backdrop for a campaign speech in a close Israeli election. If so shouldn't we also his opponents the same courtesy?
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Our SOS is reading from the POTUS's script. There is only one voice and it is Obama's.
Congress slapped Truman by inviting MacArthur to speak to Congress. He spoke, it was forgotten and he faded away.
Let Bebe speak and then send him on his way. We will soon forget about the MacArthur of our times as he too fades away.
Let Bebe speak and then send him on his way. We will soon forget about the MacArthur of our times as he too fades away.
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1. Fairly sure as a lawyer with a degree in American History that Gen. Douglas MacArthur hasn't faded away.
2. If Benjamin Netanyahu fades away anytime soon, that likely means he will be replaced by the leader of an Islamic Caliphate with nukes.
Is that the "change" Barack Obama plans to deliver to America and the world?
2. If Benjamin Netanyahu fades away anytime soon, that likely means he will be replaced by the leader of an Islamic Caliphate with nukes.
Is that the "change" Barack Obama plans to deliver to America and the world?
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Reading the hundreds of comments below I am struck by the lockstep between some, and this Administration's de facto diplomatic float of the idea that Israel is expendable on the altar of appeasement. That, in fact, democracy is no more viable than totalitarianism. So why take any risks?
Because fear and cowardice are equal to fortitude and fidelity.
Basically, what is happening this week is that the Administration has no time for the President of Israel because it is too busy with the Ayatollah of the Islamic Republic.
I remember when Bill and Hillary visited Yasser Arafat in an official State visit back in 1998. Of course, less than three years later Palestinians danced in the streets as the Towers fell.
Those that fail to learn from history... oh, but wait, the apologists are already arguing that Islamists are as different from each other as carrots are from rocks. Wink, wink.
Because fear and cowardice are equal to fortitude and fidelity.
Basically, what is happening this week is that the Administration has no time for the President of Israel because it is too busy with the Ayatollah of the Islamic Republic.
I remember when Bill and Hillary visited Yasser Arafat in an official State visit back in 1998. Of course, less than three years later Palestinians danced in the streets as the Towers fell.
Those that fail to learn from history... oh, but wait, the apologists are already arguing that Islamists are as different from each other as carrots are from rocks. Wink, wink.
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I don't want Israel or any other nation dictating US foreign policy. Why do you?
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The security services of the USA and Israel both agree that Iran is NOT seeking to build a nuclear bomb.
So what is this about? Is it to deflect from the fact that Israel is a country with no defined borders? That it has expanded, illegally in international law, its territory to encompass the land that was to form the state of Palestine? Isn't it time for Israels great ally, the US, to ask what is Israels end game? It wants the land of Palestine but not the people, even though , genetically they are as close as twins. What happens to the millions of Palestinians ?
So what is this about? Is it to deflect from the fact that Israel is a country with no defined borders? That it has expanded, illegally in international law, its territory to encompass the land that was to form the state of Palestine? Isn't it time for Israels great ally, the US, to ask what is Israels end game? It wants the land of Palestine but not the people, even though , genetically they are as close as twins. What happens to the millions of Palestinians ?
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This barely rises to level of 13 year old stunt by the GOP and BiBi, except!!
They will sabotage the nuke talks with Iran, which is the goal.
The greatest threat to America is the GOP.
They will sabotage the nuke talks with Iran, which is the goal.
The greatest threat to America is the GOP.
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Do you think that nuke talks with Iran, a country which routinely threatens the U.S. and Israel is a good idea? Why? Do you think Iran will 'come around' and be a good world citizen?
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Sabotage? What government system to you live under? The GOP's elected members of our House and Senate have constitutional rights to shape our national policy making. You revealed yourself with your comment: anyone who doesn't give Obama and his Administration a carte blanche is the enemy. Your fealty to the Dems instead of to our governance system is frightening and is a material threat to the nation. So is a nuclear Iran.
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We were threatened by bellicose rhetoric by Russia, China, others, and talked, contained and deterred them.
Do I think Iran will come around and be a good world citizen?
No.
There are 60 or 70 others that are not, too, but I don't think we should bomb them into democracy. Didn't work in 'Nam, hey?
Of course the conservatives don't like democracy and regularly argue against it here and in other forums.
Do I think Iran will come around and be a good world citizen?
No.
There are 60 or 70 others that are not, too, but I don't think we should bomb them into democracy. Didn't work in 'Nam, hey?
Of course the conservatives don't like democracy and regularly argue against it here and in other forums.
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I don't think that the legislative nor the executive branch need the authorization of the other to invite people. The President has even refused to release the list of people invited to the WH.
The question is why is the President so afraid to have the Israeli PM give a speech to Congress? What will he say that he does not want us, the public, to hear?
My suspicion is that what will be said in Congress will not allow the President to say that he did not know when the inevitable occurs....He will not be able to say he did not bomb the train tracks because he did not know.
The question is why is the President so afraid to have the Israeli PM give a speech to Congress? What will he say that he does not want us, the public, to hear?
My suspicion is that what will be said in Congress will not allow the President to say that he did not know when the inevitable occurs....He will not be able to say he did not bomb the train tracks because he did not know.
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Two thoughts.
Israel is classified as our best ally in the region. However, I am unfamiliar with when and how the U.S. called on this "ally". Did Israel send troops to Vietnam, or to Korea? Its seems we are their biggest ally, but they are not ours.
As to the invitation. This is what the U.S. Constitution says. Section 3.
he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers;
Would seem that it is the President's job to receive ministers, not the Congress's. As to fact finding and information, let us be real. This is neither, it is a public show put on by Netanyahu to try to get us to commit to another war in the MIdlle East, so we can sacrifice our sons and daughters.
I hope that this leads to a real review of this relationship. I owe Israel nothing, and certainly will never contribute my flesh and blood.
Israel is classified as our best ally in the region. However, I am unfamiliar with when and how the U.S. called on this "ally". Did Israel send troops to Vietnam, or to Korea? Its seems we are their biggest ally, but they are not ours.
As to the invitation. This is what the U.S. Constitution says. Section 3.
he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers;
Would seem that it is the President's job to receive ministers, not the Congress's. As to fact finding and information, let us be real. This is neither, it is a public show put on by Netanyahu to try to get us to commit to another war in the MIdlle East, so we can sacrifice our sons and daughters.
I hope that this leads to a real review of this relationship. I owe Israel nothing, and certainly will never contribute my flesh and blood.
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President Obama should either encourage or ignore the speech. His complaining only makes him look weak.
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It isn't Obama that's "complaining" -- just everyone else who truly desires peace in the Middle East.
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Imagine - IMAGINE - the cry and hue from the GOP if the Democrats did the same to a sitting GOP President.
We'd never, ever hear the end of it.
I'm only left to wonder why the GOP despises peace. Must be that there is no profit in it.
We'd never, ever hear the end of it.
I'm only left to wonder why the GOP despises peace. Must be that there is no profit in it.
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Ms. Rice, you have no credibility or integrity. This is more of the water causes droughts strategy. The truth is inconvenient isn't it?
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The Administration that bugged Angela Merkel's cell phone is now getting bent out of shape about proper protocol between allies?
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The Obama administration is clearly pandering to the Arabs.
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I'm glad Obama's advisor called out this cynical politician for trying to manipulate Americans. Who, BTW now says he won't meet with Democratic Congress members because that might appear "partisan".
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Obama is creating a nuclear Middle East;
when we in the US are killed by the insane Iranians;
he will have met his goal of transforming America.
when we in the US are killed by the insane Iranians;
he will have met his goal of transforming America.
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You can't create something that already exists. Israel is the agent provocateur in the Middle east nuclear game. If Israel can set its own agenda for its nuclear program then Iran can also, if Israel were submit to the same requirements as the United States and the UK, then Iran's claim of mistreatment would fail.
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This administration has a habit of screwing it's friends and pacifying its enemies. If Pres. Obama can get British Prime Miniter Cameron to telephone senate members to support his negotiations with Iran why can't Congress hear Netanyahu on the same issue. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This administration conducts its relations with Israel like 3rd graders, whether or not Israel contributes to the problem. I think the intelligence information provided, the ordinances going both ways, the military tech support and front line defense against Islamic Fundamentalism gives Israel some right to be a concerned for itself and not rely on "lead from behind" Pres. Obama.
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It seems the GOP is attempting to make Israel a partisan issue to boost their 2016 presidential election chances. A positive - albeit optimistic - consequence would be a true debate of our unconditional support for Israel.
Over the recent years many people have come to believe it is both against our interests and immoral, yet at the national level the issue remains shrouded in fear. There is increased awareness (including in this forum), but no voice that matters is advocating a meaningful change of policy. Perhaps this simply reflects where the country stands, but breaking tabu subjects open can have surprising outcomes and I would welcome it.
Over the recent years many people have come to believe it is both against our interests and immoral, yet at the national level the issue remains shrouded in fear. There is increased awareness (including in this forum), but no voice that matters is advocating a meaningful change of policy. Perhaps this simply reflects where the country stands, but breaking tabu subjects open can have surprising outcomes and I would welcome it.
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I share in the concerns that there is a great effort to restrict dialog. More information is always better than less in determing the right course of action. I believe Mr. Netanyahu should be heard as he represents our staunchest ally in the Middle East and will have to deal with whatever transpires in a nuclear deal with Iran. Let the man speak.
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Let him speak in Israel, technology makes it possible for information to flow freely. Bibi just hates Obama and he is doing this as a favor to GOP.
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This is most troubling.
With his visit to the US and to address the Congress, he will only give more ammunition to those hot heads who rant about "the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world."
It is irresponsible of him and of the leaders of the Congress.
With his visit to the US and to address the Congress, he will only give more ammunition to those hot heads who rant about "the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world."
It is irresponsible of him and of the leaders of the Congress.
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Buffoonery is at an all time high. Republican, Democrats and the Tea party should reserve their energy towards domestic policies. Israel has more allies than just the United States.
Mr. Netanyahu needs to realize that the United States has enough problems at their own door steps. Israel receives millions of dollars in aid for a state of the art missile defense system while Republican threaten to stop funding our (the US) own borders. How much more does America have to give to show our loyalty to Israel.
In a time when we need less political bickering, Mr. Netanyahu and John Boehner actions are destructive to domestic policies by creating even more division amongst the two parties. If I could ask John Boehner question I'd ask why continue adding fuel to the fire and creating more divide?
Mr. Netanyahu needs to realize that the United States has enough problems at their own door steps. Israel receives millions of dollars in aid for a state of the art missile defense system while Republican threaten to stop funding our (the US) own borders. How much more does America have to give to show our loyalty to Israel.
In a time when we need less political bickering, Mr. Netanyahu and John Boehner actions are destructive to domestic policies by creating even more division amongst the two parties. If I could ask John Boehner question I'd ask why continue adding fuel to the fire and creating more divide?
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The US could get out of the way and let Israel handle it's own regional issues, instead of making a deal that Israel can't live with and the US won't have to.
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The conclusion is almost inescapable that for the Obama Administration to consider Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to be a big problem, there's probably something very wrong with their thinking about Iran, or with the nature or details of the upcoming deal with Iran, or both.
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I don't understand why the White House is even trying to restrain themselves to call a spade a spade. The way Netanyahu is acting one would think he is OUR Secretary of State. He is coming here to address Congress and make Foreign Policy for us? The audacity of the Man! What I cannot understand is why the Administration is making excuses for not meeting him. Why does'nt the President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of State, the National Security Adviser and all the Democrats just snub him? Let him address the Congress with Republicans. Why did the Democrats who support Israel request an opportunity to speak with him to be imperiously turned down? And he is speaking because he wants to do everything to prevent a nuclear agreement with Iran. Who is he to prevent us from anything in our own country? He is making puppets of us while he is the master puppeteer. Time to get our relationship with Israel reviewed. Israel is biting the hand that feeds it. This not how an ally behaves, let alone a strong ally. But to be honest his arrogance is enabled by the likes of John Boehner who puts a foreigner ahead of his President. Great Patriotism, Mr. Boehner!
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Regardless of how one feels about Boehner's and Netanyahu's approach, motives, and respect regarding the upcoming speech, their actions are not unconstitutional. Their strategy can be seen as a clever way of creating controversy to attract even more attention to Netanyahu's speech. Many more will be watching as a result, including those who are 'boycotting' it.
As far as damage to the U.S./Israel relationship, there will be a lot of handwringing and angry comments like those of Rice, but nothing will come of it and life will go on. Even Rice hedges with an ending comment about how hard the US will continue to work to maintain their immutable relationship with Israel.
Let Netanyahu make his case. He will likely push for an agreement that is untenable with Iran. However, if the nuclear agreement is a strong, long term one, that prevents Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, then it will withstand the scrutiny of the majority. If the agreement is weak and allows Iran to eventually produce a nuclear weapon, then it will fail and there will be many who will reject it, regardless of how Netanyahu feels. Obama and his administration should not fear Netanyahu's speech, they should be more concerned about the strength of the nuclear agreement with Iran on its own merits.
As far as damage to the U.S./Israel relationship, there will be a lot of handwringing and angry comments like those of Rice, but nothing will come of it and life will go on. Even Rice hedges with an ending comment about how hard the US will continue to work to maintain their immutable relationship with Israel.
Let Netanyahu make his case. He will likely push for an agreement that is untenable with Iran. However, if the nuclear agreement is a strong, long term one, that prevents Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, then it will withstand the scrutiny of the majority. If the agreement is weak and allows Iran to eventually produce a nuclear weapon, then it will fail and there will be many who will reject it, regardless of how Netanyahu feels. Obama and his administration should not fear Netanyahu's speech, they should be more concerned about the strength of the nuclear agreement with Iran on its own merits.
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I've read most of the comments to this article. Your non-hysterical views are a much needed breath of fresh air. All the protocol issues and hurt feelings are a side show. What's not a side issue is the quality of the strategy and plan to contain Iran's nuclear aspirations. The Administration -- who represent us -- not itself, should use or not use the input provided by Israel and other sources and then focus their energies on beating the duplicitous mullahs who run Iran. Freaking out over Netanyhu shows an alarming misplacement of emphasis which does not bode well.
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I'm curious as to what those who oppose the president's approach want. It's abundantly clear that, absent a negotiated settlement, Iran will not stopped from developing a nuclear capability. So, do they support a US preemptive strike against Iran? Do they sincerely believe that that will make the U.S., Israel and the world safe from the wrath of the Iranian people?
For half a century, the USSR and the US engaged in a global struggle, including many indirect military conflicts, and yet they avoided a nuclear war that would have destroyed both and everyone else, as well. What's different this time - what justifies putting all Americans at risk of being the eternal enemies of Iran? I'd honestly like an answer from someone, and please don't fall back on the excuse that Iranians are any more extreme, evil or irrational than the former leaders of the USSR.
For half a century, the USSR and the US engaged in a global struggle, including many indirect military conflicts, and yet they avoided a nuclear war that would have destroyed both and everyone else, as well. What's different this time - what justifies putting all Americans at risk of being the eternal enemies of Iran? I'd honestly like an answer from someone, and please don't fall back on the excuse that Iranians are any more extreme, evil or irrational than the former leaders of the USSR.
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Let's not forget that Bibi barged his way into the Charlie Hebdo demonstrations in Paris in total disregard of the Prime Minister's explicit request for him not to show up. Among diplomats, Netanyahu is boorish and disrespectful. Among regular people, he is impolite and inconsiderate. Above all, he is foolish to think that anything positive is going to come of his low-class behavior.
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I voted twice for Obama and still think he's better for this country than the two I voted against. But I think Susan Rice has got to go. It is not "destructive" for Israel's prime minister to accept an invitation from our Congress and speak in defense of the existence of his nation. It might be that the Administration doesn't want to hear what Netanyahu has to say, but that's not a good reason for Rice to insult the man or our ally Israel.
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So Susan Rice cannot insult Bibi and he can insult Obama and the US? Wow do you hear yourself?
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Let's put the issue of nuclear weapons on an even, honest basis.
Israel, to the best of my personal knowledge, has had a nuclear capability for over 40 years.
I then worked with a brilliant nuclear physicist, who was also a mentor in my career in computer systems development, who told us he was resigning to go to Israel to help them make the bomb.
If we want Iran to disarm, we must also insist that Israel do its part as well.
Israel, to the best of my personal knowledge, has had a nuclear capability for over 40 years.
I then worked with a brilliant nuclear physicist, who was also a mentor in my career in computer systems development, who told us he was resigning to go to Israel to help them make the bomb.
If we want Iran to disarm, we must also insist that Israel do its part as well.
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The evening of Netanyahu's visit is the 13th of the Jewish month of Adar, the Jewish holiday of "The fast of Esther" where Jews fast and read from the Book of Esther the next day and evening.
This holiday commemorates the Jewish heroine Queen Esther who saved the Jewish people from the threat of total destruction at the hands of their Persian (Iranian?) adversary Haman thousands of years ago.
What did she do so great that her name has been commemorated and celebrated for thousands of years?
She was married to the Persian king Ahasuerus. She desperately wanted to advocate and present the threat of the immanent Iranian danger before the king and the court. However protocol did not allow the Queen to show up and speak to the court without an official invitation. In fact she could forfeit her life for doing so. She did not know what to do. Her uncle the great rabbi Morechai told her the following:
"If you remain silent at this time, relief and rescue will arise for the Jews from elsewhere, and you and your father's household will perish; and who knows whether it is for a time like this that you have attained royalty?" (Chapter 4, vs. 14, Book of Esther.)
Jews all over the world will be pondering these words that night as Netanyahu stands uninvited by the king to advocate on behalf of his people against the Iranian threat like his ancestors did long ago.
This holiday commemorates the Jewish heroine Queen Esther who saved the Jewish people from the threat of total destruction at the hands of their Persian (Iranian?) adversary Haman thousands of years ago.
What did she do so great that her name has been commemorated and celebrated for thousands of years?
She was married to the Persian king Ahasuerus. She desperately wanted to advocate and present the threat of the immanent Iranian danger before the king and the court. However protocol did not allow the Queen to show up and speak to the court without an official invitation. In fact she could forfeit her life for doing so. She did not know what to do. Her uncle the great rabbi Morechai told her the following:
"If you remain silent at this time, relief and rescue will arise for the Jews from elsewhere, and you and your father's household will perish; and who knows whether it is for a time like this that you have attained royalty?" (Chapter 4, vs. 14, Book of Esther.)
Jews all over the world will be pondering these words that night as Netanyahu stands uninvited by the king to advocate on behalf of his people against the Iranian threat like his ancestors did long ago.
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And they have been fighting and hating for thousands of years. When will both sides stop? I doubt In my life time. Why are we letting ourselves be pulled into this unending conflict?
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When, as in this instance, the head of some foreign state purposely insults our President, that state insults America. The last time I checked, America does not need Israel to guarantee America's continued existence.
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I find a lot of commenters here critical of Netanyahu's agenda, as if it were somehow wrong to advance Israel's political agenda through influence. I'm not sure what they think Kerry, Obama, or any other U.S. representative, for that matter, is doing, when they travel abroad. Are they not trying to advance the U.S. agenda in the process, so that other countries react in a way that serves what's in the best interest of the U.S.? If you're irritated that Boehner made the invite and that Netanyahu accepted or that the whole exchange didn't follow some understood protocol, then so be it, but to criticize Netanyahu for doing what he believes best serves the needs of Israel ought to suggest that you're critical of the U.S., or any other country for that matter, for doing the very same thing.
Whether Iran's nuclear capabilities are overblown or not is not something I'm sure I care about, when they've effectively stated that they want to destroy Israel. If it's not via nuclear weapons, then it's through some other vehicle, so get your shorts in a knot regarding breaking with protocol all you want - how someone could suggest that Iran would be a more valuable ally than Israel is beyond me.
Whether Iran's nuclear capabilities are overblown or not is not something I'm sure I care about, when they've effectively stated that they want to destroy Israel. If it's not via nuclear weapons, then it's through some other vehicle, so get your shorts in a knot regarding breaking with protocol all you want - how someone could suggest that Iran would be a more valuable ally than Israel is beyond me.
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How could it be LESS valuable? We might save a few billions a year, just for starters.
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The "sniping and finger pointing" is coming from the Dems, who are still perturbed by the Congress being in the hands of Reps. Netanyahu is the only friend we have in the mid-east, and POTUS has wasted his yrs ignoring them.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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Some here have suggested that we end our annual stipend to Israel.
Then with the money we save we could use it for the rest of the Middle East. Our only ally in the area could then be returned to a third world country and driven into the sea. This is just what Islamic terrorists want. Victory for them.
What ever happen to detente?
Then with the money we save we could use it for the rest of the Middle East. Our only ally in the area could then be returned to a third world country and driven into the sea. This is just what Islamic terrorists want. Victory for them.
What ever happen to detente?
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More political posturing from Republicans. If a Democrat had done this under Bush they would be labeled Unamerican or traitors.
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It's irresponsible NOT to invite Netanyahu and listen to him speak. I would never vote for a member of Congress who was opposed to hearing him out.
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Every justice loving human being on earth ought to be appalled that Netanyahu remains at large rather than facing justice for his stomach-turning crimes: the bombing of hospitals and clinics for disabled people, the murder of sleeping children in designated UN shelters, the terrorizing of a captive population, the destruction of life-supporting civilian infrastructure, the razing of entire neighborhoods, the shootings of fleeing refugees.
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Why are Democrats so afraid to listen to the speech? Whatever happened to free speech? I guess that only goes for Democrats. The US is making secret deals with Iran without the involvement of Israel. The country that is most affected by the outcome. Knowing that Obama does not care about Israel it is no wonder that they are concerned.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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Considering this unprecedented move by John Boehner to embarrass our president and damage our country I wonder if he really loves the U.S. Should we ask Juliani?
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Obama doesn't need any help. He does a fine job on his own of embarrassing himself.
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Conservative disrespect for the President of the United States undermines us as a nation at home and worldwide. Conservatives are their own worst enemy, a self-fulfilling prophecy, wrapped up in a compulsive hatred of every single thing the President does, and addicted to violence as the only legitimate response to every insult and every threat everywhere in the world. Never mind that a transparent treaty negotiated with Iran is the best thing that could happen to reduce tension, keep an eye on their nuclear program, reduce the threat of violence, and support the forces of moderation and cooperation in Iran. There is no cure for anti-Obama derangement syndrome, and even if there were, conservatives are addicted to it. They shoot themselves up with lies about Obama's loyalty, and other variations of destructive hatred, disrespect, and violent rhetoric in opposition to the President every night on Fox. It makes them conservatives feel more alive, perhaps, to be pumped up on adrenaline, hating their own President, hating Muslims, hating Arabs, and hating Iran, ready to kill, kill, kill, kill, and in Congress next week all the conservatives will be jumping up and down right along with Bibi saying kill, kill, kill, kill, and then when they and ISIS are done with all their killing in the Middle East some Democrat will come along and try to pick up and put back together all the broken pieces of the ruined countries the conservatives left behind.
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But progressive disrespect for a President is the highest form of patriotism, right?
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"...addicted to violence as the only legitimate response to every insult and every threat everywhere in the world." In part because they know that that's what Joe Six-Pack, he of the pickup truck with gun rack, wants to hear. He sounds like...you know, the sound Tim "the Tool Man" Taylor used to make, when he hears that tough talk.
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Time to cut the strings with Israel. No more funds from our pockets.
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You really want to cut ties with the only Democratic, pro-Western nation in the Levant?
Who says conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
Who says conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
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This is rich. What is actually destructive is Iran getting a nuclear bomb. She's worried about her boss appearing weak and Netanyahu is worried about Israel getting destroyed.
Yet another poor showing by Susan Rice.
Yet another poor showing by Susan Rice.
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Yeah, that is all she's got, well plus brain fog.
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Before bullying the United States and seeking to hijack its foreign policy through open sabotage and deception (yes, deception -- for a leaked Mossad report confirms that Netanyahu knowingly lied to the United Nations about Iran's activities while waving his insultingly juvenile bomb cartoon), Israel's campaigning-for-reelection prime minister should first be called to account for why Israel thought it was a good idea to attempt secretly proliferating nuclear weapons to the apartheid regime of South Africa in 1975.
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It's time we brought our national relationship with Israel under control. Too long they have gained favors from the U.S. that they no longer deserve. Let's focus on America's interests, and those critically depend on peace in the Middle East.
Israel sees an eventual war with Iran. In that regard, they are at least half the problem. We don't want to be drawn into that. The U.S. should treat each country equally, and condemn violence and warmongering by both. And if we invite Israel's PM to speak to congress, then we should do the same for Iran.
Otherwise this is just bad politics. I rarely agree with the Obama Admin, but this time they got it right and Boehner is playing a dangerous game of warmongering.
When this is over. American support for Israel is going to be polarized along political lines. That's bad for everyone.
Israel sees an eventual war with Iran. In that regard, they are at least half the problem. We don't want to be drawn into that. The U.S. should treat each country equally, and condemn violence and warmongering by both. And if we invite Israel's PM to speak to congress, then we should do the same for Iran.
Otherwise this is just bad politics. I rarely agree with the Obama Admin, but this time they got it right and Boehner is playing a dangerous game of warmongering.
When this is over. American support for Israel is going to be polarized along political lines. That's bad for everyone.
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The "invitation" to Mr. Netanyahu is yet another example of the effectiveness of the Israeli lobby on American policies.
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All members of Congress should be required to publish on a monthly basis the sources and amounts of all campaign contributions over a certain amount.
AIPAC would show up on a lot of lists. It is never trite to say, "Follow the Money".
AIPAC would show up on a lot of lists. It is never trite to say, "Follow the Money".
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To put this in historical perspective, Iran hasn't attacked any other nation in the last 300 years. But during my lifetime, the U.S. overthrew a democratically-elected Iranian leader (Mossadegh) and installed a corrupt monarch who tortured his own people. When the Iranians overthrew the Shah, we furnished arms to the Iraqis and encouraged Saddam Hussein to attack Iran. Then we attacked Iraq--not once but twice--and have destroyed that country.
With Israel and the U.S. Republican party calling for us to "bomb-bomb-bomb Iran," the Iranians have every reason to be terrified and to want nuclear weapons. We have them in superabundance. Israel has them. And the only reason we aren't attacking North Korea is that they have them.
With Israel and the U.S. Republican party calling for us to "bomb-bomb-bomb Iran," the Iranians have every reason to be terrified and to want nuclear weapons. We have them in superabundance. Israel has them. And the only reason we aren't attacking North Korea is that they have them.
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"Iran hasn't attacked any other nation in the last 300 years" - this is true only if you limit your inquiry to armies across borders. Iran has been the primary sponsor of terrorism around the world for the past 30 years. How many IEDs that killed Americans in Iraq were made in and provided by Iraq? How about the attack in Argentina that killed 90 people? The mad mullahs have plenty of blood on their hands, even if they have been operating behind the scenes rather than at the head of uniformed armies.
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what are you talking about? Right now in Argentina there is a scandal where that country's president was hiding evidence of Iran bombing a jewish center in Buenos Aires, and they support Hezbollah, which wages war in Syria and Israel.
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Boehner's correct to invite Netanyahu to speak to Congress about concerns with this agreement and Congress is fully within its Constitutional right to do so. This agreement will provide the Iranian Mullahs with a lifting of the sanctions that have brought them to the negotiating table and allow them to keep their nukes to threaten Israel, us and all of their neighbors.
Other than some potential good will in the ongoing troubles in Iraq and Syria, what are we getting in return for this agreement?
Other than some potential good will in the ongoing troubles in Iraq and Syria, what are we getting in return for this agreement?
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"If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies." - Moshe Dayan (1915 - 1981)
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Talking is one thing. Negotiating is another. We have a talker negotiating.
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Its all politics- Netanyahu needs to keep his people scared to win re-election: even Mossad thinks the Iran threat is overblown. And its partisan politics on this side clearly, when the guy won't meet with democrats.
Wishing the Israeli people and others in the region mutual safety and respect, which will come soonest with a changes in leadership all around...
Wishing the Israeli people and others in the region mutual safety and respect, which will come soonest with a changes in leadership all around...
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I don't know President Obama and have never met him personall but I can safely assume he must be a very patient man. The sheer level of personal disrespect he has tolerated is mind boggling. I guess he has no choice lest here labelled ' angry black man'. I know that I don't have that amount of patience. Guess that's one of the many reasons this black man is not president
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I have never met George W. Bush, but he must be a very patient man. The sheer level of disrespect he tolerated as President...
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Congress today is unable to do the business of America and does not need foreign "MEDDLERS" to disrupt and take time from our political process as congress this year is scheduled for a mere 110 days of work for a salary paid by all of us in excess of $170,000.00 annually.
Shame on John Boehner for subjecting us to this travesty!
Shame on John Boehner for subjecting us to this travesty!
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Groups, or in this case governments, who proclaim their intention to wipe a group of human beings off the planet must not be allowed to posses nuclear capabilities. There are no other issues to discuss!
It doesn't matter who is in office, or how close we are to an election, or even if we are talking about a long time ally or a country we have no diplomatic ties with.
If the leader of any nation comes to the US to discuss the fact that a raving lunatic is trying to develop a weapon for the express purpose of wiping out the citizens of their country, then the US should grant an audience. And yes, anyone looking to wipe out an entire group of people is a lunatic who does not deserve international legitimacy and must be stopped.
It doesn't matter who is in office, or how close we are to an election, or even if we are talking about a long time ally or a country we have no diplomatic ties with.
If the leader of any nation comes to the US to discuss the fact that a raving lunatic is trying to develop a weapon for the express purpose of wiping out the citizens of their country, then the US should grant an audience. And yes, anyone looking to wipe out an entire group of people is a lunatic who does not deserve international legitimacy and must be stopped.
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I'm a bit confused. Are you taking about Iran v. Israel or Israel v. Gaza?
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Mr. Netanyahu is acting like a spoiled teenager, doing whatever he wants, yet still expecting to get his allowance on time. This type of behavior is getting very old.
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In 1999 I had an Israeli citizen working for me in London. He told me he needed three days off in order to fly home to vote, to make sure that Natanyahu did not win the election. I remember his words to this day - "He is a danger to Israel, to the Middle East, and to the United States"
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Netanyahu is a failure of a "leader" and perfectly depicts what ails modern society. Policies and political structures forged in the fires of the past. Hopefully the Israeli people will put him where he belongs. In retirement.
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The existence of Susan Rice as a national security advisor to anyone other than her family pet is laughable -- no, it's downright frightening. With an administration historically unmatched in the opacity of its arguments, we should be thanking Mr. Netanyahu for taking the time to explain what is really going on in Iran. It's obvious he understands the danger this president and his cabal is placing Israel and its people.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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All my support for Israel has now evaporated. Isn't it plain now that many Americans no longer support a country that refused to cooperate, violates agreements with the Palestinians, and is trying to actively sway America into serving them with no return or appreciation?
The reason Israel holds such a disproportionate voice in American policies compared to most other countries is because of the AIPAC. Israeli-Americans are more interested in Israel's interests, not American interests. It makes me mad when I see people from ethnic groups including my own trying to fight for their home country's interests instead of America's.
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt
The reason Israel holds such a disproportionate voice in American policies compared to most other countries is because of the AIPAC. Israeli-Americans are more interested in Israel's interests, not American interests. It makes me mad when I see people from ethnic groups including my own trying to fight for their home country's interests instead of America's.
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt
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The wonder of a dicey world and playing politics with everyone - this is the kind of Israel leadership that's mind is very strange to.....
Meeting with congress is just an exercise in media gamesmenship and much to do about whatever they're dreaming.
What counts is the smarts of the efforts to negotiate and trust and verify - the actions and the science is what give cause for the prevention of destructiveness - so forget the forum for egos and let's all stick to knowledge base reality - that has the support of the Obama leadership - and its future next President H. Clinton - now that's where BN would be wise to have a visit sooon the bettter.
jja Manhattan, N. Y.
Meeting with congress is just an exercise in media gamesmenship and much to do about whatever they're dreaming.
What counts is the smarts of the efforts to negotiate and trust and verify - the actions and the science is what give cause for the prevention of destructiveness - so forget the forum for egos and let's all stick to knowledge base reality - that has the support of the Obama leadership - and its future next President H. Clinton - now that's where BN would be wise to have a visit sooon the bettter.
jja Manhattan, N. Y.
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Netanyahu should be immediately arrested if he sets foot on our soil and questioned about his role in crimes against humanity.
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When Bibi loses his election, will he blame Bohner? He should. If he doesn't, I'll happily do it for him.
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“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008
The alchemist's nightmare: turning gold into lead. Our lone, reliable, middle-east partner transmuted into pariah for the shallowest of reasons: personal animosity and the rapacious pursuit of legacy. Surely, Ozymandias viewed his kingdom through similar eyes.
Transformed, indeed.
The alchemist's nightmare: turning gold into lead. Our lone, reliable, middle-east partner transmuted into pariah for the shallowest of reasons: personal animosity and the rapacious pursuit of legacy. Surely, Ozymandias viewed his kingdom through similar eyes.
Transformed, indeed.
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It used to be a joke, but Israel really is behaving as our 51st state. And it's a red state.
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Ms. Rice, don't you think it would hurt the relationship more if the US actually made friends with Iran? And the Israelis aren't the only ones who'd be disappointed. Think about the Americans who were held hostage in Iran back in 1979 for 444 days.
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America must do what is in America's interests. We must not be beholden to a foreign country's preferences, no matter who they are.
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Netanyahu seems to be on a self destructive path in terms of world opinion. If he is not careful he made find himself and Israel without friends.
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Lots of smart posts here - Thanks, America. But one theme I fear is wrong - that the Democratic members of Congress will not bow in front of Netanyahu. They will. Read the recent New Yorker article to see how AIPAC slips cash into the pockets of elected officials in every corner of the USA. One billionaire like Sheldon Adelson really can control all of Congress...
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She said, “The point is, we want the relationship between the United States and Israel to be unquestionably strong, immutable, ..."
That's the crux of the problem with America's relationship with Israel. An "immutable" relationship can't (and won't) properly evolve to reflect the true national interests of both parties.
That's the crux of the problem with America's relationship with Israel. An "immutable" relationship can't (and won't) properly evolve to reflect the true national interests of both parties.
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The underlying issue is that the Obama administration has shown little grasp of the realities of the threats coming from the Middle East. How easily we gloss over Obama's complete lack of understanding of ISIS (the JV team comment revealed much). We like to think that our leaders are smarter and more informed than we are - but evidence shows that this Admin is just winging it. They develop "conference room" solutions that are designed to play well to the media, and though well intentioned, are not based on fact and reason. All I can say is thank goodness, and despite all the vested interests involved, someone is forcing the Administration's hand so they don't sell us out with a naive Iranian nuclear deal. I'm not liking the whole intervention is US politics but that is small potatoes compared to the real issue. Ask yourselves: does the Administration that believes that doing more social media is the primary plan against ISIS really deserve your trust on life and death issue of a nuclear Iran?
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Never has an American President had more disdain for the Jewish State. It is blatantly obvious in his actions and words. Congress has every right to invite Netanyahu to speak on a topic where he feels the very existence of Israel may be threatened by a deal with Iran which Obama is so obviously desperate for. In fact not only does the Constitution give Congress the right to do this they have the responsibility to invite whoever they want to help them decide how to vote on this very important issue. Of course Susan Rice had no problem with Obama inviting the UK Prime Minister who was lobbying congress not to impose new sanctions on Iran just a few weeks ago. Extreme hypocrisy but not a surprise from this administration.
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Obama has disdain for the Jewish State? I think you should try listening to his words and not the Republicans'. You seem to have more disdain for him than he is capable of ever having for Israel.
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Rob: Hypocrisy? PM David Cameron held a *joint news conference* with the President. He did not address a joint session of Congress. He may have lobbied Members of Congress, but that's not the same thing. Please give the citation for where the Constitution says anything about who Congress can ask to speak at a joint session.
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David Cameron met privately with US Senators at the President's behest to shill for Obama's Iran deal. It's exactly the same thing.
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All Congressional representatives should boycott Mr Netanyahu's speech to Mr Boehner. Those who attend should be voted out of office by Americans who believe that foreign nations should not inject themselves in American governance.
Mr Netanyahu needs to learn that neither he nor Israel control US foreign policy. Israel has its own interests at heart, and have demonstrated various times, beginning with the USS Liberty, their willingness to manipulate America to their own ends. This time is no different.
Mr Boehner needs to learn that by putting Mr Netanyahu's needs ahead of America's, that he and the republican party merely serve to remind American citizens that republican partisanship trumps American interests.
What a sad day for America that we have such elected officials as John Boehner in positions of political power.
Mr Netanyahu needs to learn that neither he nor Israel control US foreign policy. Israel has its own interests at heart, and have demonstrated various times, beginning with the USS Liberty, their willingness to manipulate America to their own ends. This time is no different.
Mr Boehner needs to learn that by putting Mr Netanyahu's needs ahead of America's, that he and the republican party merely serve to remind American citizens that republican partisanship trumps American interests.
What a sad day for America that we have such elected officials as John Boehner in positions of political power.
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Perfect timing to cut back on our aid money to Israel. It recieves more money than anyother country in the world. Israel is not a third world country in dire need. We could put that money to infrastructure and education. 3.5 billion is way too much. We will still be friends and supporters of Israel we dont need to subsidize them.
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@Christina
If we withhold aid money to Israel I think I know where they'll tell us to shove our 'friendship'.
If we withhold aid money to Israel I think I know where they'll tell us to shove our 'friendship'.
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Of course Iran loves to see this type of discord among its enemies. It is breathtaking that Boehner is essentially helping them in their attempt to obtain nuclear weapons. All for politics. Boehner is a disaster.
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Obama can't play power politics--he is an amateur. Soon Iran will be Obamas new best friend-an ally!
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It's perfectly appropriate that Boehner should invite Netanyahu to speak before Congress. After all, Netanyahu has done his best to block any attempt to negotiate with the Palestinians, just as Boehner has done to block any such efforts with Democrats. They are both masters at derailing progress, so they'll certainly have a lot to talk about.
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I'm at a loss to say which is more despicable- Boehner's Republicans or Netayahu. Both are willing to sacrifice a more peaceful Middle East in order to pander to their respective right wing bases and win elections.
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True to form, the Obama administration would rather pick fights with its allies than focus on its true enemies, who get stronger and more confident by the day,
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I just read that former Israeli President Shimon Peres also thinks this is not a good idea. It sounds like in Israel as well as the US you do not have to support one POV. 63% of Americans agree that Boehner was out of line. There is more than black and white as described by the right wing in both countries.
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I say let Netanyahu address the U.S. Congress thereby insulting the President of the United States who under the U.S. Constitution is solely responsible for the conduct of U.S. diplomacy in all its aspects. Then let the Obama administration condemn everything Netanyahu has to say and include specifically why you should not as the leader of a foreign government circumvent the executive branch to conduct public diplomacy on U.S. soil. But everything Netanyahu says should be rebuked in detail perhaps by multiple spokespersons. I recommend public rebukes by the Secretary of State and other senior administration figures.
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I suggest Congressional Democrats RSVP their regrets to Boehner for being unable/unavailable to attend Netanyahu's speech to Congress.
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The Netanyahu government has dragged the Jewish ethical tradition through the mud and placed a country American Jews love in an absolute dead end -- politically and morally. This thumb-in-the-eye visit to Congress is a shanda.
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After Cantor, next is Boehner, he should go and contest elections in Israel not in the US.
Where is Michele Bachmann and her loyalty oath for Congress? we need it from the US Congress as they would sit and listen a foreigner tell them what the US Should be doing instead of us telling these aid recipients what they need to do in order to justify the over $4 billion that we give them.
Where are the fiscal conservatives who want to cut off our unemployed and under employed US Citizens of food stamps and demand them to work for it, whereas Bibi can come and demand billions more to see it our way in the peace deal.
Where is Michele Bachmann and her loyalty oath for Congress? we need it from the US Congress as they would sit and listen a foreigner tell them what the US Should be doing instead of us telling these aid recipients what they need to do in order to justify the over $4 billion that we give them.
Where are the fiscal conservatives who want to cut off our unemployed and under employed US Citizens of food stamps and demand them to work for it, whereas Bibi can come and demand billions more to see it our way in the peace deal.
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The only "destructive" force is the latter-day Neville Chamberlain living in the White House.
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As far as our continued involvement in the Middle East, I"d like to see America kick both Israel and Saudi Arabia to the curb. Neither of them are worth the trouble.
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The US simply embargo a portion of Israeli arms that would do wonders to change net not
Nrtanyahu's attitude and performance presently. Money talks and in this case Israel's defense only exists because of fnancial support to Israel. American defense contractors for the indirect destination of this money can afford to take a little los.
Nrtanyahu's attitude and performance presently. Money talks and in this case Israel's defense only exists because of fnancial support to Israel. American defense contractors for the indirect destination of this money can afford to take a little los.
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According to the Constitution, the Executive conducts foreign affairs and is Commander in Chief. The Legislative Branch is prohibited from those activities.
For that reason, protocol necessarily governs contacts between members of Congress and foreign leaders. Without it, Congress takes over all the powers of the Executive Branch, in what is essentially a revolution.
Boehner has humiliated himself and embarrassed Netanyahu by engaging in this ignorant stunt. Boehner should apologize to both Israel and the USA. Members of Congress should applaud politely and leave quickly to minimize the damage.
For that reason, protocol necessarily governs contacts between members of Congress and foreign leaders. Without it, Congress takes over all the powers of the Executive Branch, in what is essentially a revolution.
Boehner has humiliated himself and embarrassed Netanyahu by engaging in this ignorant stunt. Boehner should apologize to both Israel and the USA. Members of Congress should applaud politely and leave quickly to minimize the damage.
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Eh, we didn't hear much of an uproar over protocol when Pelosi visited Assad 2007, or when she visited Cuba last week...
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Boehner is equally to blame for this faux pas. He extended the invitation. It just goes to show how far he and the rest of the Republicans in Congress will go to undermine Obama.
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While as someone who is not an Israeli citizen I will refrain from making public statements concerning internal Israeli politics, it is worthwhile to point out that Mr. Netanyahu appears to be peddling an inflated Iran nuclear weapons threat for entirely political purposes, even to the extent of meddling in internal American politics. As evidence, it is only necessary to point to the latest revelations, obtained by Al Jazeera and The Guardian courtesy a source in South Africa, that Mr. Netanyahu's public statements over the past three years contradict his own intelligence service's estimates (together with those of the CIA and IAEA, among others).
It is clear that the republicans will stoop to any level to promote their endless war agenda, and that neither they nor a substantial segment of the US populace has learned nothing from the campaign of deception that led to the US invasion of Iraq. Mr. Netanyahu's appearance before Congress is a political stunt, designed to support his efforts at home and those of the hawks in the US. Nothing more. The very best we could do at this stage is to simply ignore him, and remember the shameful acts of our various representatives at the ballot box in 2016.
It is clear that the republicans will stoop to any level to promote their endless war agenda, and that neither they nor a substantial segment of the US populace has learned nothing from the campaign of deception that led to the US invasion of Iraq. Mr. Netanyahu's appearance before Congress is a political stunt, designed to support his efforts at home and those of the hawks in the US. Nothing more. The very best we could do at this stage is to simply ignore him, and remember the shameful acts of our various representatives at the ballot box in 2016.
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Much ado about nothing. Obama is not meeting with Netanyahu during his visit. If Netanyahu wants to waste his time talking to the half of Congress that wants to hear him, fine. Foreign policy flows through the Oval Office, and has since Washington's time, in case no one noticed. Netanyahu will go home and nothing will have changed, at least from a perspective of getting Obama to do what he wants. And for his part, Boehner continues to act like the traitor he is, spending every waking moment looking for opportunities to hold a twice-elected President up to ridicule and scorn before the entire world.
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American Jews are not helpless in this travesty.
- We can keep our checkbooks closed the next time the fund raisers call.
- We can let our government know that the vast majority of us are not admirers of AIPAC, and are ashamed of its attempts to manipulate foreign policy and control US elections.
- We can continue to protest Netanyahu's visit. Let him see Jewish protestors everywhere he looks.
- We can keep our checkbooks closed the next time the fund raisers call.
- We can let our government know that the vast majority of us are not admirers of AIPAC, and are ashamed of its attempts to manipulate foreign policy and control US elections.
- We can continue to protest Netanyahu's visit. Let him see Jewish protestors everywhere he looks.
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I think American Jews and Israeli Jews have radically different mindsets. I met an Israeli in Turks and Caicos, he was remarkably open about how American Jews who visit Israel don't seem to care much about the Jewish faith or its history, but that American Christians were some of the nicest people he'd ever met who cared about everything there. I know he's not the sole representative of Israel, but it's quite a stark contrast to hear him explain what it's like to be surrounded by countries seeking your destruction in comparison to a "travesty" of a visiting politician.
Still waiting for the Speaker of the House Boehner invite Hassan Rouhani, President of Iran, to address a joint meeting of Congress so that the American people can hear from all sides on this important topic. Apparently only Mr. Netanyahu's views qualify as deserving of our consideration. Or is this just another example of Senate Majority Leader McConnell's pledge to oppose anything and everything that President Obama tries to accomplish during his term of office?
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If there is no diplomatic agreement with Iran to end their nuclear weapons program what serious alternative can Netanyahu offer? Israel and the U.S. attacking another Arab country?! Then what? Maybe we could occupy Iran - indefinitely. That worked real well in Iraq. While I have no doubt the American military would defeat Iran, it should be noted that Iran has a real military with real weapons. There would likely be many American deaths in addition to civilian casualties in Iran. I see no real gains from these serious losses. We can't erase what Iran knows about nuclear weapons. Do we bomb/attack them regularly? There is no military solution to this.
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So the Obama solution of appeasing Iran and doing nothing to stop the spread of ISIS and Islamic extremism is the way to go? Mr. Netanyahu should skip this speech...because what falls on deaf ears the most here in Washington is reason.
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Rodcom argues negatively, explicitly for defeatism and implicitly for what comes next, appeasement. Worse, his argument is steeped in ahistoricity, assuming that time began with Bush II's ill-advised 2003 invasion of Iraq. It did not. In fact, Iran has long been designated the planet's leading exporter of terrorism, across both Republican and Democratic administrrations, with only the current Administration badly out of step on assessment and policy. Iran's attaining nuclear weponry would make the enitre world, not only the region, instantly more unstable and more dangerous, such that succeeding US presidents, not only Obama, have stated that they will not allow it. Not only has Obama dithered, he's been for years back-channel grand-bargaining with Iran toward a settlement that will let the mullahs have nukes and regional power in exchange for help with ISIS. Worse, he forbade Israel to knock out Iran's nuke capability as a last resort, but wouldn't promise that the US would do so if diplomacy failed, putting Israel in a stranglehold. ISIS is bad, very bad; but a nuclear Iran will be superbad. Ask any seasoned historian or knowledgable observer. Obama's policy is not a dangerous gambit, it's a fool's errand.
Netanyahu, like Putin, is the face of a new type of fascism: illegally occupy land outside national boundaries, back it with military force and use international appeals to bring a larger and more pure people to overwhelm the local population. Israel is NOT a democracy. Under Netanyahu it has lost its claim to being a US ally. When it stops the illegal settlements, withdraws from Palestine and signs the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty it will regain the hearty support I gladly gave it in the past. Until then, it is a renegade nation, a new fascist state.
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Israel has full civil and human rights, including voting rights, for all citizens, including its 20 percent Arab citizens, which is why its Knesset (parliament) comprises 20 percent Arab membership. Israel occupies disputed territories in which Palestinians live only because it was attacked from them in 1967. The colonial powers that controlled those lands abdicated, and the Palestinian inhabitants refuse to sue for peace (and worse) even in exchange for that land and for statehood. Currently the supposedly more liberal Palestinian Authority refuses to negotiate. Israel is not perfect, but has removed most settlements and the provocative settlement activity is very marginal. Rodcom and his ilk did not protest when PA leaders indicated that Gaza would as a Palestinian state be Judenrein (free of Jews). Utterly fallacious posts by Massachussetts's sizable coterie of hard-leftists notwithstanding, Israel is a democracy in a part of the world where there is no other.
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While I often disagree with Dr. Susan Rice on policy, I do agree with her assessment about Mr. Netanyahu's scheduled appearance to speak to Congress.
Not only was a major lapse in protocol it is an indicator of just how low Mr. Boehner will go to undercut the President.
I only hope at this point that many members of the Congress will choose to pass on attending.
How dare you Mr. Boehner !
Not only was a major lapse in protocol it is an indicator of just how low Mr. Boehner will go to undercut the President.
I only hope at this point that many members of the Congress will choose to pass on attending.
How dare you Mr. Boehner !
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I would think that any Democratic representatives, especially, who attend this travesty are showing that they place their allegiance to Israel over that of their President and their country.
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Congress is symbol of democracy and I gave my full support to PM Netanyahu’s speech on March 3; Iranian nuclear program is NOT only Israel problem: I do NOT want to get nuclear bomb in suitcase in NY, DC,LA,SF… from Iranian terrorist friends: Hamas, Hezbollah… ( after Iran get nuclear bomb)!!!
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I do NOT want to see the US involved in another fake war.
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Think of it. A perfectly justifiable effort by Mr. Netanyahu to alert Americans to the need to reject any and all deals that will place nuclear weapons in the hands of the killer-state of Iran is causing high government officials to wet their pants in anticipation of it.
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The "killer state" is Israel, not Iran. Just look at the records.
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The thought of an arsenal of nuclear weapons in the hands of an Israeli government being run more and more by ultra-nationalist, fanatical extremists is not very reassuring either.
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In response to Paul:
1- The Iranians need no assistance in being demonized. they do a fine job of this all by themselves.
2- The notion that Israel, which is subject to existential threat by Iran, should not "meddle" in US foreign policy is beyond bizarre.
1- The Iranians need no assistance in being demonized. they do a fine job of this all by themselves.
2- The notion that Israel, which is subject to existential threat by Iran, should not "meddle" in US foreign policy is beyond bizarre.
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Their meddling is backfiring as more and more Americans get turned off by extreme right wing warmongering Israeli politicians. How does it help their cause to insult the President?
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@Andrew W
What's really bizarre, if Israel is indeed under such constant existential threats, is for Netanyahu to urge all the Jews of Europe to move there so they can "be safe'.
What's really bizarre, if Israel is indeed under such constant existential threats, is for Netanyahu to urge all the Jews of Europe to move there so they can "be safe'.
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It's not the protocol, it's not the "partisanship," it's the message that has the administration upset. As chief negotiators, we were enabled by UN resolutions calling for the PREVENTION of Iran's developing a nuclear weapon. While Kerry are negotiating a secret agreement they plan to present as a fait accompli, they obviously fear Netanyahu's message opposing their feckless deal. He is our only ally in the region and he heads the government of a country #1 on Iran's hit list. In the long term (i.e., beyond Obama's last 2 years), allowing them to go nuclear means every other nut case government in the region will go nuclear. Then protocol won't matter to anyone.
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We can expect the aggression of Barry Soetoro and his allies to escalate upon the "American Wishbone" in proportion to his projected exit strategy. With all of the quisling position(s) he and his foreign and domestic benefactors have attained.
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The last time I looked, Barack Obama was the president, not John Boehner.
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Yes, and he works in the White House, not in Congress, where Netanyahu was invited to speak. Also, and this may be news to you, Obama works for the Executive Branch, not the legislative, where treaties must be approved. So the Pres does not get to call all the shots. Like you, he seems to misunderstand the scope of his power as President & head of the Executive branch.
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Inviting "Netan-yahoo" just continues the animus from Republican legislators that began on the day that black, Anti-American, interloper, Barack Obama, was elected. There is no doubt in my mind that Republicans in congress would invite Vladimir Putin to speak to a joint session and have nothing but praise for him before and after.
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" There is no doubt in my mind that Republicans in congress would invite Vladimir Putin to speak to a joint session and have nothing but praise for him before and after."
When you need to resort to gross exaggeration to make a point, perhaps your point isn't strong enough to stand on its own merits. And please, give the race thing a rest. If not, at least let us know how to oppose President Obama's leadership and policies without being called racist.
When you need to resort to gross exaggeration to make a point, perhaps your point isn't strong enough to stand on its own merits. And please, give the race thing a rest. If not, at least let us know how to oppose President Obama's leadership and policies without being called racist.
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The Israelis have a lock on Congress and this visit is just one more indication. Our "unconditional" support of Israel regardless of their destructive policies has caused grief for the U.S. Iran, like Iraq under Saddam, is not a global threat. It trades with our allies in the MENA region, particularly Turkey. It's the non-state actors, like ISIS, which are the problem. His visit is just another of an endless array of examples of Republicans doing anything to oppose Obama and nothing to solve problems and provide solutions.
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Very few heads of state have appeared before a joint session of congress - in fact you can count them on one hand. I suspect that Natanyahu has been invited because of the existence of a mouthpiece like AIPEC that our politicians can cruel on hands and knees for money. It is surely not because Natanyahu has the stature of someone like Churchill.
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It's highly likely that for every person Netanyahu manages to "convince", whatever that means, he will almost certainly alienate two others How that is good for Israel is a mystery.
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I think that if the Israelis really cared to model their affairs on the views of Steve Turnley of Reston, VA, they would have given you a call.
Obama is no friend of Israel, and never has been. But calling Netanyahu's upcoming visit "destructive" via his toadie Susan Rice is more than destructive on its own merits. Shame on the president and his administration for turning their backs on our own real ally in the Middle East. Tiny Israel has put their neighboring Islamic countries to shame with their vibrant economy and democracy.
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Guess what. 95% of Americans could care less. And also guess what. thats NOT anti semitic.
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1. Netanyahu was invited. He can not be blamed (as Jews always are) for everything non-Jews don't like. Instead of blaming him, attacking him, and "commenting" about him (as non-Jews always do), beat Congress, Google, Donald Duck.
2. Years from now, assuming a cure for radioactivity can be found, some brilliant minds will write volumes of analysis on what happened and why.
3. There's a pervasive assumption by humans that we are the smartest beings ever created. It is better represented by those that deeply believed that the Sun revolves around "our" Earth. Some many died trying to prove them wrong....
4. Stupidity is endless
2. Years from now, assuming a cure for radioactivity can be found, some brilliant minds will write volumes of analysis on what happened and why.
3. There's a pervasive assumption by humans that we are the smartest beings ever created. It is better represented by those that deeply believed that the Sun revolves around "our" Earth. Some many died trying to prove them wrong....
4. Stupidity is endless
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"He can not be blamed (as Jews always are) for everything non-Jews don't like."
There are two groups of people in this world: those who group people into two groups and those who don't.
There are two groups of people in this world: those who group people into two groups and those who don't.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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totally agree with your point #4 as clearly and definitively proved by your comment.
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I don't understand the dust up and strong opinions about the visit by the Prime Minister of Israel. We do have three branches of government. The Republican majority Congress invited the Prime Minister to speak about an issue that Israel views as an existential threat to the existence of Israel. Our current President and does not have a good working relationship with the current Israeli Prime Minister. We subsidize Israel billions of dollars a year and Congress has the obligation to pass budget legislation and to approve any agreement with Iran.
So the Prime Minister gives a speech stating his country's case to the US Congress that must approve the Iranian deal if one is reached. So what.
The cat fight over the protocol is rather a small matter in the overall reality of the issues. Should the Congress have notified the White House as a courtesy that they were inviting the Prime Minister of Israel to speak. Yes, that would have been the right thing to do. Does this internal etiquitte dispute really make that much difference? No.
What is important is that the USA ultimately makes a deal with Iran that is in our interest and that the Executive branch and the elected Congress approve the agreement if an acceptable agreement is actually reached. The internal feuding about protocol is a side show that does not reflect well on the Obama administration or the Congress and does not advance the interests of the USA.
So the Prime Minister gives a speech stating his country's case to the US Congress that must approve the Iranian deal if one is reached. So what.
The cat fight over the protocol is rather a small matter in the overall reality of the issues. Should the Congress have notified the White House as a courtesy that they were inviting the Prime Minister of Israel to speak. Yes, that would have been the right thing to do. Does this internal etiquitte dispute really make that much difference? No.
What is important is that the USA ultimately makes a deal with Iran that is in our interest and that the Executive branch and the elected Congress approve the agreement if an acceptable agreement is actually reached. The internal feuding about protocol is a side show that does not reflect well on the Obama administration or the Congress and does not advance the interests of the USA.
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Jack: "We do have three branches of government".
Yes Jack, and it is the Executive Branch that is responsible for foreign affairs.
Yes Jack, and it is the Executive Branch that is responsible for foreign affairs.
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Jack, Natanyahu behaviour is the reason many European countries are starting to recognize Palestinian as a country. This is not Obama. This is about a man who thinks he owns the whole world and can dictate to those countries. If Natanyahu can go to the US without the invitation of while house and castigate the US President in his home country, what does that tell you. He is alienating Israel from his main allies, and the better he is replaced by someone who understands diplomacy, the better. Natanyahu used Bush to destroy Iraq that has produced ISIS, do you want him to use Obama to create more problems with Iran. Obama is just too smart for him.
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Netan-yahoo thinks he knows what he's doing, and Whiskey John and his buddy Twitch have never flinched from their openly destructive disrespect for our African American President. I call on all Democrats to make certain they are absent from congress on the day of this politically volatile "address." Netan-yahoo has nothing important to say to Americans. Show him the door, politely.
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I find it odd that Democrats are opposed to this visit when American Jews vote for Democrats almost as overwhelmingly as blacks.
However, I am tired of Israel being treated like the 51st state. Why do they give them so much? Netanyahu has said on many occasions that Israel can fend for itself. They have nukes.
I wish we could just stop meddling everywhere. Peace through trade, not superior firepower.
However, I am tired of Israel being treated like the 51st state. Why do they give them so much? Netanyahu has said on many occasions that Israel can fend for itself. They have nukes.
I wish we could just stop meddling everywhere. Peace through trade, not superior firepower.
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Are you saying you want Israel to use nukes?
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I did not elect Netayahu. I elected Obama. Obama's job is to keep peace and stability in the Middle East, not to be Israel's advocate. I am sick and tired of being constantly told Israel is our staunchest ally in the region and we should give then blank check in everything they do when everything they do just makes America look worse in the Arab and Muslim world
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@Patrick
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why we are constantly told that, and
without a shred of proof to support it. I guess we are to accept it blindly, like an article of faith.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why we are constantly told that, and
without a shred of proof to support it. I guess we are to accept it blindly, like an article of faith.
Breach of protocol? Perhaps. Bad manners. Perhaps. But what Rice is really yapping about is that the visit may be expose this Administrations weakness and lack of transparency in its handling of the Iran issue.
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No, what it exposes is the that Boehner and the Republicans will do anything to take a shot at the President.
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I'd love to hear how Boner and Bibi has been transparent and strong in dealing with Iran. All I see is them threatening war and annihilation and giving radical Iranians more excuses to say "See! Those Americans and Jews are coming to attack us!". Only scenario that I see that they'll be happy with, is for America to invade Iran (instead of Israel, they'll stand back and say we'll go in if you don't do a good job like we told you to) and pay the resulting cost in lives and money. When did America become Israel's 4th branch of military?
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The Obama administration becomes more and more desperate as the date nears for Netanyahu's speech. What, exactly, are they so afraid of?
According to the Washington Post, Obama lied to the American people in his State of the Union address (link below) by claiming the deal would halt Iran's attempts to gain nuclear weapons. Boehner responsibly stepped in and invited Netanyahu to let Americans know what the truth is. Sad we can't get it from our own president or his administration given how much is at stake.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/22/obamas-cl...
According to the Washington Post, Obama lied to the American people in his State of the Union address (link below) by claiming the deal would halt Iran's attempts to gain nuclear weapons. Boehner responsibly stepped in and invited Netanyahu to let Americans know what the truth is. Sad we can't get it from our own president or his administration given how much is at stake.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/22/obamas-cl...
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Obama seems dead set to leave as his legacy that Iran get's a nuclear bomb. which will put the middle east into a nuclear arms race. And his predecessor will have a hell of a time handling all this fall-out form Obama's constant dithering.
And does Susan Rice have any credibility? How does she get a title of our countries National Security Adviser? She totally lied to us about Benghazi and has been lying ever since.
I think we had better hear from Netanyahu sooner than later.
What is Obama trying to hide from us?
And does Susan Rice have any credibility? How does she get a title of our countries National Security Adviser? She totally lied to us about Benghazi and has been lying ever since.
I think we had better hear from Netanyahu sooner than later.
What is Obama trying to hide from us?
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There are a lot of smart people who believe negotiations are the only way to keep Iran nuclear weapons free; that to take a hard line stance will give them the international cover they need to make their bomb.
There are also people who consistently misuse the apostrophe, do not know what a predecessor is, or that fallout is one word. and you would have us trust the latter?
There are also people who consistently misuse the apostrophe, do not know what a predecessor is, or that fallout is one word. and you would have us trust the latter?
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So Netanyahu has been silent?
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I think he will try to move Iran out of the adversary column and into the ally column--leaving Israel surrounded and alone. And then he will try to blame the republicans, of course!
Even if Israelis' do not care for Bibi-at least he has not set them up for extinction.
Even if Israelis' do not care for Bibi-at least he has not set them up for extinction.
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Ms. Susan Rice deserve huge credit for speaking out loud. She knows it will be virtually impossible for her to get another gig in ANY administration. The monster Zionist hydra will ensure it will never happened.
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President Obama consistently seems to try to shut down those with differing views. What is he afraid of? The truth is always our friend.
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The Republicans consistently seem to try to shut down those with differing views. What are they afraid of? The truth is always our friend.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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the President circumvented Congress with executive orders as he has a right to do. Now Congress has circumvented the President by inviting Netanyahu to address Congress. Let me get this straight, it is well and good for Obama to bypass Congress but when Congress bypasses him that is wrong. Does that seem a little bit hypocritical? Both sides need to stop this childish behavior and meet in the middle ground. Ludicrous and the country suffers as the world laughs.
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If the Congress decides to declare war on Iran, thanks to persuasion by Netanyahu, but the Commander in Chief doesn't agree, does that mean to you that the President is required to fight a war? The Constitution specifically denied Congress the power to make war ... so coordination between the two branches of government is what the Constitution demands. That's why we have rules of protocol, guarded by the State Department, when Congress gets itself into the war and foreign relations business by talking to foreign leaders. Congress refused to observe them here.
The President's powers as head of regulatory agencies (created statutorily by Congress, for presidential enforcement) have no bearing whatsoever on constitutional matters of foreign policy and war.
The President's powers as head of regulatory agencies (created statutorily by Congress, for presidential enforcement) have no bearing whatsoever on constitutional matters of foreign policy and war.
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You don't seem to recognize a distinction between international relations (where traditional wisdom holds that America should present a united front and which the Federalist Papers identify as the particular domain of the executive branch)and domestic policy (in which disagreement is institutionally structured).
as I asked, is that well and good? Your logic is quiet twisted. If Congress does not pass legislation does the President have the right to bypass Congress and laws that are passed and on the books? Does his executive powers override the law of the land? I thought the Constitutional oath he took was to uphold the law, not to bypass the law with executive orders. My bad, I must be mistaken.
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Do not assign him a security detail and deny his security detail visas. I'm being serious. Taxpayer dollars should not go towards supporting someone acting against America's national strategic interests. It may be a breach of diplomatic protocol, but since when does Bibi care about that?
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Arming Iran is in our national strategic interest?!? Really. Do you have any idea how Iran treats its homosexuals and women? Do you?
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Well, it's not a state visit since President didn't invite him. Let Boner pay for it, or even better, Bibi. How about some gun-toting "patriots" with concealed gun permits providing the body guard service?
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I was a staunch supporter of our President until the Gaza war. Our President showed his true colors by constantly deriding Israel for defending itself against an unprovoked barrage of missiles. I have never been so disgusted with Mr. Obama and now he adds insult to injury by turning Mr. Netanyahu into the villain. Who else can defend Israel and the Jewish people if not for the Prime Minister himself. If we wait for Mr. Obama to cut a deal with Iran we may not have a State of Israel left to talk about. It's too late for Mr. Obama to come through with a meaningful agreement with Iran. Israel is fighting for its mere existence. Presidents like Mr. Obama will come and go but the existence of Israel must supersede his shortsightedness.
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"Israel is fighting for its mere existence. "
By bombing hospitals, mosques and schools, stealing more land and murdering over 500 children in what Israel has turned into the world's largest penal colony.
By bombing hospitals, mosques and schools, stealing more land and murdering over 500 children in what Israel has turned into the world's largest penal colony.
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In retrospect, dual citizenship was not such a good idea.
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If Israel made more friends in the world it would not have to fight so much for its existence.
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The president has proven that he is no friend of Israel nor of real democracy in the only Middle eastern state that even knows what it is. I don't always agree with Mr. Netanyahu but this is not about one man. Indeed, it is about a president who is foolish enough to believe that Iran is telling him the truth while he denigrates Israel.
I am ashamed to have voted for this president on so many different levels, well beyond the issue of Israel. it makes me wonder what his real issues are with Israel and with defending our staunchest allies. But, I think it's apparent.
I am ashamed to have voted for this president on so many different levels, well beyond the issue of Israel. it makes me wonder what his real issues are with Israel and with defending our staunchest allies. But, I think it's apparent.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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This is mostly a shape of the negotiating table thing. He'll say what he always says and it will have a bigger audience but the same effect.
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I am a supporter of Israel but not a supporter of Netanyahu. He was educated here in the US and knows exactly what he is doing, understands exactly this visit is a breach of protocol and that this is a brazen move to support the warmongers in the GOP at the expense of his relationship with President Obama who wisely is not so anxious to get us into another war in the Middle East.
Netanyahu may think he is doing the right thing for Israel- but he is not and this move will backfire on him.
The person that is most at fault is Boehner of course. While Netanyahu thinks he is doing the best thing for Israel, Boehner's only motivation is to disrespect our President while keeping his billionaire overlords happy. Continuing to have sharp political divides spill over to foreign policy and dealing with foreign PMs only shows the world we are a divided country and therefore weaker because of it. Boehner makes the USA look weak to the outside world. As Lincoln said, a house divided cannot stand. Boehner has to go. Boehner's loyalty is only to his party- not the USA.
Netanyahu may think he is doing the right thing for Israel- but he is not and this move will backfire on him.
The person that is most at fault is Boehner of course. While Netanyahu thinks he is doing the best thing for Israel, Boehner's only motivation is to disrespect our President while keeping his billionaire overlords happy. Continuing to have sharp political divides spill over to foreign policy and dealing with foreign PMs only shows the world we are a divided country and therefore weaker because of it. Boehner makes the USA look weak to the outside world. As Lincoln said, a house divided cannot stand. Boehner has to go. Boehner's loyalty is only to his party- not the USA.
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Don’t blame Netanyahu. He is doing what’s best for Israel. We should instead be upset at our leaders who do not have the skills neither the courage to do what’s best for the US.
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We hear that many Israelis are not happy with Netanyahu's despicable and destructive actions. OK. Let's see if they vote him in again.
I don't think it's really acknowledged how damaging this is for the US/Israeli relationship and the enormous support that US people have provided.
I don't think it's really acknowledged how damaging this is for the US/Israeli relationship and the enormous support that US people have provided.
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As a supporter of Israel it is increasingly clear and by now beyond doubt that Netanyahu is an rxistential threat to Israel.
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Natanyahu has been ringing the alarms on Iran's nuclear ambitions since before Obama took office. Why has Israel not handled this on its own? Why does the US have to fight a war against Iran on Israel's behalf?
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They wanted to but Obama stopped them.
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This is the seldomly-spoken truth: the instant that Israel engages in some overt conflict with Iran, Syria, or some other Islamic country, all of them will unite to attack Israel. They must rely on America to back them up. They could most likely defeat any single country, but if they all gang up to attack Israel, it's over.
No other country has that existential threat, except perhaps South Korea.
No other country has that existential threat, except perhaps South Korea.
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I really doubt Obama can stop Netanyahu from doing anything. If what you wrote was true, the settlement building would have stopped.
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It just looks as if Mr. Netanyahu is being played by the Republicans. Once President Obama has left office, they will have no further use for him. Mr. Netanyahu is going along with it as it affords a potential opportunity for him to boost his popularity before the Israel electorate.
This is politics and, as such, there is not a long wrong with it.
One just wishes that both the Republicans and Mr. Netanyahu would offer a real alternative to dealing with Iran than that currently being negotiated by the US and our allies.
This is politics and, as such, there is not a long wrong with it.
One just wishes that both the Republicans and Mr. Netanyahu would offer a real alternative to dealing with Iran than that currently being negotiated by the US and our allies.
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At this point, it is extremely frustrating to see the devolution of the Obama administration, both in the eyes of Americans and our allies abroad. Based on all available information, Obama's goals have become increasingly clear-- his idealistic notion that we can come to a proliferation agreement with Iran is at best misguided, and at worst, a decision that can lead this world into another global war.
To think that we can trust the Iranian government and shut out our Israeli allies, so that Obama can make his mark in World History books, is quite unfortunate. By publicly condemning Netenyahu and Congress' decision to allow the speech "for the sake of non-partisanship is not only disrespectful to our intelligence as Americans, but also to the foundation of America itself.
To think that we can trust the Iranian government and shut out our Israeli allies, so that Obama can make his mark in World History books, is quite unfortunate. By publicly condemning Netenyahu and Congress' decision to allow the speech "for the sake of non-partisanship is not only disrespectful to our intelligence as Americans, but also to the foundation of America itself.
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Rice is right.
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Rice is 0 for 2.
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I don't understand why it is so awful for the country to listen to a different point of view. A point of view that the President has done everything to silence in Israel and in Congress. Really, what are we afraid of hearing before we make a peace or war decision that will impact Israel even more than the US?
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Bibi will not say anything that hasn't been heard before. He just wants to use the Capitol as a backdrop for a campaign speech in an close Israeli election.
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Fallout from Mr Netanyahus appearance in Congress falls squarely in the lap of John Boehner. His attempt at embarrassing the president, while satisfying the fringe element of his party, has widened a rift in the relationship of a long time ally. His actions are typical of the right wing since 2008, vitriol and divisiveness without any attempt at providing solutions.
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Obama and company are on the right side and they have nothing to lose. Bravo!America first!
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That's your opinion.
We believe in diversity which means that we accept that people have diverse opinions.
My opinion is that you are wrong.
Bravo diversity.
We believe in diversity which means that we accept that people have diverse opinions.
My opinion is that you are wrong.
Bravo diversity.
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Can we not live in a world wear leaders of free countries have a meeting without someone else having a fit? It's Israel, meet with them.
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The actions of Speaker Boehner are inexcusable. There is no similar precedent in our history of the administrative branch being so boldly circumvented. I have never seen such blatant contempt and disregard for a sitting President in my lifetime. It is sickening. As a thought experiment- imagine what would have happened if someone like Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid had pulled a similar stunt during the Bush administration.
Recently exposed Mossad documents have shown that Israel itself knows that Iran is nowhere near a nuclear weapon. Netanyahu's speech to the U.N. in 2012- complete with his ticking-bomb illustration- was overdramatic and inaccurate.
I and the American people do not want war with Iran. A peaceful, diplomatic solution is demanded both here and abroad. They very idea that Netanyahu and Boehner would try to destroy a peacful solution is disgusting, an in the case of Boehner, treasonous.
Recently exposed Mossad documents have shown that Israel itself knows that Iran is nowhere near a nuclear weapon. Netanyahu's speech to the U.N. in 2012- complete with his ticking-bomb illustration- was overdramatic and inaccurate.
I and the American people do not want war with Iran. A peaceful, diplomatic solution is demanded both here and abroad. They very idea that Netanyahu and Boehner would try to destroy a peacful solution is disgusting, an in the case of Boehner, treasonous.
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If Pelosi or Reid pulled something like this with the Bush Administration I guarantee they would have been accused of being un-American and worse. No question.
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Netanyahu's colossal ego leads him to step on his own message by making himself the story. He has become an extension of the American Republican party, who are among the least popular people on the planet. Each year for several years, he has claimed Iran is one year away from having a bomb. Like U.S. Republicans, he never sees the irony in making inherently false and inflammatory claims over and over. His calls for Jewish citizens of European countries to flee to Israel only serve to stir the pot. It would be so refreshing if he would lose this election. But his has created an atmosphere in which only those who agree with him are true lovers of Israeli – very similar to Republicans like Giuliani in this country. Counterproductive is a kind way of putting it.
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Does Israel own the USA?
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Surely you jest. The US is not for sale.
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You should be able to answer that living in NY, NY...! They don't in California.....Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Alabama, etc, etc.......Idaho, Washington state, etal........
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We are rapidly approaching the 50 year anniversary of Israel's introduction of nuclear weapons into the Middle East. Israel's long-standing policy of "nuclear ambiguity" is no less inflammatory than the rhetoric of Ahmadinejad.
Israel's path to influencing Iranian nuclear policy does not involve the United States. The historic path of a peace seeking nation is disclosure, disarmament and adoption of the non-proliferation treaty.
Israel's path to influencing Iranian nuclear policy does not involve the United States. The historic path of a peace seeking nation is disclosure, disarmament and adoption of the non-proliferation treaty.
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Really? No less inflammatory than the rhetoric of Ahmadinejad? I must have missed those statements by Israel's prime minister that Iran be 'wiped off the map'.
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Israel's "nuclear ambiguity" is the only reason Israel still exists - and if part of the path to peace is disarmament, it seems counterproductive for President Obama to endorse a deal that will make Iran a nuclear power and trigger a nuclear arms race across the region.
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Israel = ally
Iran = enemy
There's the difference in a nutshell and why Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons should worry you.
Iran = enemy
There's the difference in a nutshell and why Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons should worry you.
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The biggest error on the part of Netanyahu is that he greatly underestimated how much of a distraction from the core issue his visit would create. Instead of a serious debate on the viability of an alliance with an Iran further empowered by a nuclear arsenal, we are mired down in the politics of his upcoming speech. Look at what Iran has done to her own people. Look at what they are doing in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. The facts seem to suggest that the USA is trying to buy an alliance with the largest state sponsors of terror by giving them a clear pathway to nuclear capability. If you consider the radical theology of Iranian leadership and their own stated ambitions, the idea of removing sanctions and giving them a deal that will ultimately allow them to achieve their nuclear goal is frightening. The fact that Netanyahu’s speech is causing a larger uproar and more concern than our administrations dance with Iran is mind boggling.
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Get over it Obama administration. A president is not an emperor, even in foreign affairs.
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The Constitution of the United States of America very clearly makes the Executive Branch responsible for foreign affairs, not Congress.
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It also says nothing about Congress inviting someone to speak.
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Given that Barack Obama is the President of the United States and its Commander in Chief, he should be able to request that John Boehner apologize and un-invite Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is a matter of professional protocol.
If a senior manager in a company was to invite a prominent visitor to address company members without consulting the CEO of the company, the CEO would have every right to ask the senior manager to issue an apology and explain to the invited guest that a mistake had been made; the company would have every reason to ask the senior manager to resign if he refused.
Yes, there is a separation of powers in government, but if the President's wishes are willfully ignored and the tenants of diplomacy are disregarded, it creates the kind of atmosphere that tells people around the globe that the United States is teetering at the edge of a coup. That is not good for anyone. Speaker Boehner needs to consider if he is committed to the "united" portion of the name of our nation.
If a senior manager in a company was to invite a prominent visitor to address company members without consulting the CEO of the company, the CEO would have every right to ask the senior manager to issue an apology and explain to the invited guest that a mistake had been made; the company would have every reason to ask the senior manager to resign if he refused.
Yes, there is a separation of powers in government, but if the President's wishes are willfully ignored and the tenants of diplomacy are disregarded, it creates the kind of atmosphere that tells people around the globe that the United States is teetering at the edge of a coup. That is not good for anyone. Speaker Boehner needs to consider if he is committed to the "united" portion of the name of our nation.
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Obama is not the CEO or emperor of the United States.
Boehner is not his subordinate. Period.
Boehner is not his subordinate. Period.
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Do you know Orrin Hatch is the President pro tempore and he will be seated next to the speaker when PM Netanyahu speaks to the USA Congress and that the Republican are the majority part in the Senate.
I think these people know what bthey are doing and that they are true patriots.
For you to suggest that they are anything other tells me you know nothing about democracy.
We are not teetering at the edge of a coup.
This is about dissent which the right to is codified in the Constitution
You should read it..
I think these people know what bthey are doing and that they are true patriots.
For you to suggest that they are anything other tells me you know nothing about democracy.
We are not teetering at the edge of a coup.
This is about dissent which the right to is codified in the Constitution
You should read it..
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Damaging to Israel, his own Country; damaging in his behavior of charging through our Door; making too much noise; confirming for those already who hold Mr. Netanyahu accountable for the massacre of the Children of Gaza that he is dangerous, and to have a statesman from a foreign country visit at the invitation of an American politician who some feel is a loose cannon and harmful to us, little good can come of all this disruption.
Many of us will be glad to see the back of him, one which this American did many years ago, while working for a man who fled Nazi-occupied France.
Some of us will attend this Prime Minister's address to Congress in Washington, but President Obama and Senator Kerry have already moved ahead and are trying to discuss with the Leader of Iran, with sensitivity and diplomacy, how to establish a pacific understanding between the two Countries.
This is what this American expects of this remarkable President, and cares about. The rest in the end, when it comes to inflammatory behavior on the part of visiting politicians, is another diversion where one senses bellicose defiance in the air.
Wishing to take this opportunity to extend my appreciation along with a few other Americans to Senator John Kerry for all his hard work. We care.
Many of us will be glad to see the back of him, one which this American did many years ago, while working for a man who fled Nazi-occupied France.
Some of us will attend this Prime Minister's address to Congress in Washington, but President Obama and Senator Kerry have already moved ahead and are trying to discuss with the Leader of Iran, with sensitivity and diplomacy, how to establish a pacific understanding between the two Countries.
This is what this American expects of this remarkable President, and cares about. The rest in the end, when it comes to inflammatory behavior on the part of visiting politicians, is another diversion where one senses bellicose defiance in the air.
Wishing to take this opportunity to extend my appreciation along with a few other Americans to Senator John Kerry for all his hard work. We care.
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As an American of non-Jewish background who has been a long-time supporter of our foreign aid and friendship with Israel I am beginning to seriously question. Support for Israel should not be blind to their West Bank policies and nuclear politics. Now naked partisanship from the GOP and Netanyahu that is unseemly and disrespectful of POTUS. More fanatical religious factions and turmoil in the Middle East. Our Neocon approach to this region has already cost us much blood and treasure and things are more of a mess than ever. I understand that it is about the very survival of Israel, but it seems that Israel's situation and security have deteriorated given their approaches, our approaches and world events. This all could end in a situation good for neither Israel or the United States.
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Israel exists in a tough neighborhood, surrounded by both governments and terrorist groups sworn to its destruction. And given its diminutive size, complete obliteration is not inconceivable. You would have nukes too for the defense of your people. The Iranians cannot be trusted and they have broken every promise thus far. Obama may turn out to be the Neville Chamerlain of his time.
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Israel has the nukes.
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Israel's nukes are for defense. They are not guided by an apocalyptic philosophy. They value life more than some of their neighbors.
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The Israelis cannot be trusted. They are now threatening South Africa to bring their banking industry to a halt if that country does not limit the voices of the Arabs in their country.
Why would Israelis be threatening South Africa? Why anyone would trust them.
Why would Israelis be threatening South Africa? Why anyone would trust them.
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Metaphorically speaking, we have a new love triangle in the Middle East: Iran, the alluring tramp; Obama, the wooer; and Netanyahu, the jilted party. Americans are tired of Israel's myopic, impetuous leadership, and attracted to the bigger picture: a non-nuclear Iran. I invite all Democrats to walk off the floor; leaving Netanyahu, Boehner and rest of Rebublicans all to themselves. Rudeness is met with rudeness. Is that in the Old Testament?
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My American Jewish friends are unanimously outraged by Netanyahu. Say what you will, Rice is correct. Netanyahu is a million miles from Rabin.
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My Canadian Jewish friends are equally outraged that the leaked agreement has a ten year sunset. Awesome news that the US will have sanctioned Iran's entry into the Nuclear club in a decade. Is the administration so desperate for ANY agreement that they are willing to set off a nuclear race in the ME? The NSA leader is the jv team.
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"..which is a priority of Mr. Obama’s." I would add that a treaty is a priority of the Country and the whole world. The choices with Iran are the status quo of nothing but sanctions, a treaty which, we can only hope, will lead to peace breaking out, or a war with Iran. I think people like Netanyahu and Boehner feel that war is the way to go. For Lindsey Graham and others, war is always the best option...to achieve peace, of course. War to achieve peace doesn't seem to be working in the Middle East so far.
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I will reconsider Israel's motives when they sign the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and come clean on their own nuclear weapons.
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The problem with O, and Rice, is that they cannot handle the truth. Seems both of these people are of the 'peace in our time' school. Go get them BeBe.
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In a galaxy far far away people (with internet connectivity) are holding themselves laughing. Susan Rice fresh from her triumphal authoring of our Libya policy is calling someone else "destructive". she has not failed up she is orbiting Pluto with the rest of that part of humanity that thinks a super secret deal with a bunch of Iranian super theo-nutters is a super good idea.
Let Bennie come. Before this president and Mrs.Strangelove drag us all into nuclear winter let us find out just what the heck is going on.
Let Bennie come. Before this president and Mrs.Strangelove drag us all into nuclear winter let us find out just what the heck is going on.
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I'm amused by this latest rebuke of the Obama administration. This president is out of step and dead wrong on this issue. History will prove this "agreement" with Iran to be a disaster and the loser will surely be Israel. History is filled with examples of failure in these circumstances.
Would any U.S. president, sans Carter and Obama, stand idly by as other nations make decisions about our national security? The administration's position is indefensible and clearly highlights their failure to maintain and strengthen our relationship with one of our strongest allies.
Israeli's should know they have a friend in the U.S. people, but not their president. He is once again embarrassing the nation on the world stage.
Would any U.S. president, sans Carter and Obama, stand idly by as other nations make decisions about our national security? The administration's position is indefensible and clearly highlights their failure to maintain and strengthen our relationship with one of our strongest allies.
Israeli's should know they have a friend in the U.S. people, but not their president. He is once again embarrassing the nation on the world stage.
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As an American Jew that supports Israel, I have been disheartened over the last several years as political extremism there has translated into policies that have diluted its moral high ground and world standing. Netanyahu's visit to Congress, an obvious and unnecessary subversion of protocol, further demonstrates that Israel's current leadership has been consumed by ideology and hubris that resembles the Neocon takeover US foreign policy a decade ago. I also see similarities to how criticism of Israel and their policies invokes shrill accusations of anti-Semitism and abandonment of Israel within the Jewish community. If Netanyahu's real objective is to prevent and Iranian - U.S. nuclear deal, he has shot himself (and his country) in the foot by inserting himself into US partisan politics.
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The American people elected Barack Hussein Obama to handle the foreign policy of the United States. Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is going over the American peoples' head.
46% approve of the President. The people he is going to speak to have a 14% approval rating.
46% approve of the President. The people he is going to speak to have a 14% approval rating.
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Statistics are just another fool's lies. Ask the individual American citizen of their approval of their district's elected Representative or their state's Senator. These are consistently above 50%
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Susan Rice - who in the past has spoken before she had the facts - has hardly the "credibility" needed to guarantee Israel's security in a deal with Iranian Ayatolahs.
Who could trust the security of their Nation to a trio of naive negotiators (Obama, Kerry and Rice) who are known to concede before getting a quid-pro-quo (e.g., dismantling European Missile Defense System in an ill-fated "Reset" with Russia) ; and worse, who have shown nothing but weakness in foreign policy stand-offs - including crossing their own "Red Lines" (e.g., Syria)?
Ever wonder why V. Putin has become so arrogant over the past 6 years...?
Who could trust the security of their Nation to a trio of naive negotiators (Obama, Kerry and Rice) who are known to concede before getting a quid-pro-quo (e.g., dismantling European Missile Defense System in an ill-fated "Reset" with Russia) ; and worse, who have shown nothing but weakness in foreign policy stand-offs - including crossing their own "Red Lines" (e.g., Syria)?
Ever wonder why V. Putin has become so arrogant over the past 6 years...?
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What's worse is the fact we've elected the inmates to run the asylum... twice.
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I despise Netanyahu. With that said, what's really the big deal? If killing thousands of Palestinians is okay, how is accepting an invitation from Congress, which as after all one third of the American government, destructive of relations with the United States? This just seems to be another hissy fit by Obama, the same kind he threw against Putin and Russia when Putin didn't hand over Snowden and which, through a chain reaction, has led Europe to the brink of war. There seems to be something deeply deranged about Obama.
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@abo
In a twisted kind of way, I find I agree with you. After the myriad slaps (metaphorical) in the face by Netanyahu to President Obama, Vice President Biden, SoS Kerry, why is anybody so outraged at this latest affront? They should have hit back the first time he stepped over the line. By letting him get away with it everytime, he of course assumes there will never be consequences. And sadly, so far he's been right.
In a twisted kind of way, I find I agree with you. After the myriad slaps (metaphorical) in the face by Netanyahu to President Obama, Vice President Biden, SoS Kerry, why is anybody so outraged at this latest affront? They should have hit back the first time he stepped over the line. By letting him get away with it everytime, he of course assumes there will never be consequences. And sadly, so far he's been right.
It is "destructive" because the White House has decided to destroy the relationship. And yet despite Obama's efforts, the relationship with America endures, with most Americans supporting Israel, and Congress supporting Israel. The "destruction" of the relationship is really only with Obama, not with the U.S.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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Netanyahu is about to commit the most disgraceful and imprudent action in his quest for reelection in Israel. He has always shown disdain and sought to undermine Pres. Obama. The Republicans are not true Americans if they would allow a foreign leader to disrespect our commander-in- chief. They scream patriotism and nationalism, when they practice "racism".
This is clearly and affront to America. Because he is black, some white Americans don't find this to be an insult. We do have two America's , one white , one black. We need to accept the fact. Some say that Pres. Obama initiated this, divisive with Israel on Middle East policy. It it were left up to Israel the U.S. would be smack dab in the middle of another war.
By the way isn't there some question of unethical or even corruption with Netanyahu in Israel? He is under investigation, it was said.
This is Republican's circus, a lot of rankish acrobatics and clownish perpetrators...
This is clearly and affront to America. Because he is black, some white Americans don't find this to be an insult. We do have two America's , one white , one black. We need to accept the fact. Some say that Pres. Obama initiated this, divisive with Israel on Middle East policy. It it were left up to Israel the U.S. would be smack dab in the middle of another war.
By the way isn't there some question of unethical or even corruption with Netanyahu in Israel? He is under investigation, it was said.
This is Republican's circus, a lot of rankish acrobatics and clownish perpetrators...
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That's not what your dear leader said in 2004. But I digress, yours is an ever changing narrative.
walter Bally@
"That's not what your dear leader said in 2004. But I digress, yours is an ever changing narrative"
To begin with Pres. Obama is the leader of all Americans whether you want to accept it, like it , or not. The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
What DID he say in 2004?
The part about an "ever changing narrative"? Yes ! It should be, who wants to remain stagnated, stuck in a world that's comfortable for you; which is steadily dissipating with a rainbow of possibility....
"That's not what your dear leader said in 2004. But I digress, yours is an ever changing narrative"
To begin with Pres. Obama is the leader of all Americans whether you want to accept it, like it , or not. The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
What DID he say in 2004?
The part about an "ever changing narrative"? Yes ! It should be, who wants to remain stagnated, stuck in a world that's comfortable for you; which is steadily dissipating with a rainbow of possibility....
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Netanyahu is quoted as saying " ... do everything I can to prevent" a nuclear agreement with Iran. The only alternative to a diplomatic agreement with Iran is military action. To put it simply "War"! Boehner invites him to speak in active opposition to our foreign policy which is trying to keep the United States from being embroiled in more Middle Eastern military conflict. In one way or another military action against Iran entails a drain on USA military and financial resources. Our illustrious Congress thinks this is a time to stir up more resentment against the USA just when they are bumbling around and drying up funds for Homeland Security? What kind of convoluted thought process would bring about such absolute nonsense?
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I just love it when the nations that have nuclear weapons decides who can join the club. We will let you have one only if you promise never to use it. How ridiculous is that.
Israel is playing a very smart game. They have allied themselves with the US for their defense against Mid East nations that they constantly anger and who do not want them in the region. It is time that we stepped out of picture, cut off all the aid, and let them deal with there own problems. We have enough of our own to deal with.
Think about it, is Israel fighting ISIS, are they doing bombing runs against ISIS targets, are they providing intel, do they have boots on the ground. This is their back yard get involved.
Israel is playing a very smart game. They have allied themselves with the US for their defense against Mid East nations that they constantly anger and who do not want them in the region. It is time that we stepped out of picture, cut off all the aid, and let them deal with there own problems. We have enough of our own to deal with.
Think about it, is Israel fighting ISIS, are they doing bombing runs against ISIS targets, are they providing intel, do they have boots on the ground. This is their back yard get involved.
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If Israel could be involved directly in the defense against ISIS, they would. The US' Arab allies will never allow that nor ever be on the same fighting side as Israel. That is what's stopping Israel.
In the meantime, Israel provides the US with enormous amounts of intel to assist them in the battle.
In the meantime, Israel provides the US with enormous amounts of intel to assist them in the battle.
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Even though the Mossad (Israel Secret Service) already stated, there is not
a nuclear danger, emanating or coming from Iran, Netanyahu wants, with the
support of the countless, pro Israeli members of Congress, use the
Congress of The United States of America, to continue advertising and
promoting, his hawkish wishes , views and demands against Iran, for a military confrontation of the United States against Iran, in which of course, American blood will be spilled, defending the demands and wishes of Israel, not, of The United States.
The foreign policy of The United States, is dictated and accommodated. to Israeli wishes and even demands.!!
a nuclear danger, emanating or coming from Iran, Netanyahu wants, with the
support of the countless, pro Israeli members of Congress, use the
Congress of The United States of America, to continue advertising and
promoting, his hawkish wishes , views and demands against Iran, for a military confrontation of the United States against Iran, in which of course, American blood will be spilled, defending the demands and wishes of Israel, not, of The United States.
The foreign policy of The United States, is dictated and accommodated. to Israeli wishes and even demands.!!
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Someone let the democratic senators who are disappointed they won't be given a special audience with Netanyahu know that they're automatically given the opportunity -- they're members of Congress, and the prime minister will be addressing them, all of them.
A shameful episode, one entirely politicized by Obama. And he and his advisers have the temerity to suggest it's the other way around.
A shameful episode, one entirely politicized by Obama. And he and his advisers have the temerity to suggest it's the other way around.
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Honestly as an Israeli citizen i feel ashame with our prime minister that get to this level of humiliation and un trsutable relation with the American government in all aspects and with our best allies ever.
This is real shame to our country that already isolated pretty much due to Netanyahu and his government as well to all israelis and Jewish worldwide.
Henry Kissinger said it on 1974 and its still very much relevant to now: The only foreign policy that Israel has is internal which all related to its own political internal situation. President Obama is completely right of not playing this game.
This is real shame to our country that already isolated pretty much due to Netanyahu and his government as well to all israelis and Jewish worldwide.
Henry Kissinger said it on 1974 and its still very much relevant to now: The only foreign policy that Israel has is internal which all related to its own political internal situation. President Obama is completely right of not playing this game.
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He'll kowtow to the Republican but won't even meet with the Democrats who are the real supporters of Israel. Either Netanyahu is getting bad advice or his mind is going off the rails.
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Perhaps Boehner and his minions can next invite Putin to address Congress. That would give the know-nothings another opportunity to show their contempt for the President of the United States.
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Let him speak. It will not help him or Israel, for that matter. People will see the subtext here, that Netanyahu wants American men and women to die for Israel, not his own people. We have become like his drug dealer, giving him anything that he needs with no risk to his own safety. This is NOT a fair partnership. The Republicans love it because those warmongers want to declare war on Iran anyway. Why not, then, declare war on Pakistan? They have nuclear weapons. Why not India? They have nuclear weapons. Why not North Korea? They have nukes. I'm sorry, but this is a sham issue. Netanyahu just wants America people to die for his theocracy. Send him a big NO!
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Bombing Iran will not destroy their nuclear program. It will either turn Iran into a more virulent enemy armed by Russia and/or result in a very costly war. I'd rather they have limited nuclear capability, frankly. The U.S. needs to stay focused on building a competitive economy. This is the real 21st century battlefield.
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The relationship between the US and Israel will survive. Netanyahu may feel he can get away with his style of boorish politics and the Speaker may think he can bee boorish and it won't affect his "shine". Most Americans want Israel to be secure. But we must not forget that Iran is a player in the region now that Saddam has been disposed off. It is the Shia sword against the Sunni axe. Israel is justified in its views on Iran given that country's support for Hezbollah and other terrorist actors. And it may feel able to engage with Iran. A million Persians died in the war with Saddam. Don't underestimate Teheran's resolve. Time for some "real" diplomacy and for Israel to be part of that style of engagement. there are very capable Israeli's who can do that kind of work. Netanyahu is not cut out for that. He is a bully.
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If diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way, then Netanyahu fails miserably in his attempt to court American public opinion on the Iranian nuclear issue. The comments section of the NYT on this story hardly reflect the sentiment of the majority of Americans, and Jewish Americans who are following these events. Personal opinions aside, snubbing the president of the United States is a bad move for an Israeli Prime Minister. I suspect the majority of the Israeli public agree too.
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There is a thin line between evil and goodness with Netanyahu. Netanyahu is doing what he believes to be in his self-interest, winning the election and garnering support for his positions; Boehner is doing what he considers to be in his self-interest. pandering to the extreme groups in his party. Susan Rice is, and has always been, a good soldier, doing her job for the administration. Obama believes in a deal with Iran and he will ignore, but be annoyed with, all the noise of the Netanyahu's visit to work on a deal. As much as i dislike Netanyahu and Boehner, no one should expect any different action from either of them, or for that matter Susan Rice. In the end, Netanyahu's visit will only embarrass the intelligent US Jewish community, who already knows that Netanyahu is an extremist and a poor spokesperson for the Israeli people.
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The words spoken by Susan Rice amount to a blatant attempt to unseat the Prime Minister of Israel. In some ways, it is preferable to CIA interference, although there is certainly some of that going on as well.
The Presidency of Barack Obama will be viewed as a period of not-so-secret efforts to accommodate the goals of Islamic extremists. In this, I am in total agreement with Mayor Giuliani. Netanyahu may be overly belligerent in his foreign policy, but the dangers of his approach are nothing compared to the risks inherent in the Obama Administration's approach.
A backlash against Susan Rice is inevitable. She should have been purged after the death of Ambassador Smith, and her "talking points." But this time, she must be removed.
The Presidency of Barack Obama will be viewed as a period of not-so-secret efforts to accommodate the goals of Islamic extremists. In this, I am in total agreement with Mayor Giuliani. Netanyahu may be overly belligerent in his foreign policy, but the dangers of his approach are nothing compared to the risks inherent in the Obama Administration's approach.
A backlash against Susan Rice is inevitable. She should have been purged after the death of Ambassador Smith, and her "talking points." But this time, she must be removed.
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for the TRUTH read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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My two cents:
Foreign policy is driven by sovereigns interest (moral and immoral). Escalating conflicts with yet another nation in that volatile part of the world, can’t be of interest to any sovereign.
This will only serve the anarchist, and the defense contractors. It’s simple task for West to destabilizing any countries in that region, structurally and economically; but we should know by now what comes next.
Don’t forget all those alienated ( i.e. no job, not much to look forward to, suffered through the conflicts and economic ruins) young people in any destabilized nation with a black-and-white worldview, looking for purpose and adventure.
Foreign policy is driven by sovereigns interest (moral and immoral). Escalating conflicts with yet another nation in that volatile part of the world, can’t be of interest to any sovereign.
This will only serve the anarchist, and the defense contractors. It’s simple task for West to destabilizing any countries in that region, structurally and economically; but we should know by now what comes next.
Don’t forget all those alienated ( i.e. no job, not much to look forward to, suffered through the conflicts and economic ruins) young people in any destabilized nation with a black-and-white worldview, looking for purpose and adventure.
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Bibi was invited- he accepted the invitation.
If Obama would pause from genuflecting in every direction to every despot who comes his way he would realize that if Iran gets the bomb it will be the greatest foreign policy failure in recent history and the dawn of a very dark era.
Stop blaming the messenger.
We should not be playing chicken with Armageddon. It should not even be a discussion.
Calling it fear-mongering doesn't diminish the threat. Lift your head from whatever electronic device it is currently absorbed in, swerve to miss the old lady crossing the street, and take a moment to really think through the combination of a Looney Tunes Iranian Mullah in a culture that celebrates martyrdom and a nuclear bomb.
And there is another angle to this situation.
Today blatant antisemitism is not socially acceptable, so those who hate Jews have created anti-Israel movements which thinly disguise their venomous hatred of Jews.
In the US not only is anti-semitism unacceptable but blatant anti-Israelism is not popular as well. Obama's attitude is not anti-semitism disguised as anti-Israelism (because he is not an anti-Semite,) but anti-Israelism disguised as anti-Netanyahuism.
You don't have to dig deep to see that there was never any warmth there, in a way this a brilliant strategy to subtly tweak US policy toward the left wing, "progressive" long held anti-Israel stance. Netanyahu is only too convenient a cover.
If Obama would pause from genuflecting in every direction to every despot who comes his way he would realize that if Iran gets the bomb it will be the greatest foreign policy failure in recent history and the dawn of a very dark era.
Stop blaming the messenger.
We should not be playing chicken with Armageddon. It should not even be a discussion.
Calling it fear-mongering doesn't diminish the threat. Lift your head from whatever electronic device it is currently absorbed in, swerve to miss the old lady crossing the street, and take a moment to really think through the combination of a Looney Tunes Iranian Mullah in a culture that celebrates martyrdom and a nuclear bomb.
And there is another angle to this situation.
Today blatant antisemitism is not socially acceptable, so those who hate Jews have created anti-Israel movements which thinly disguise their venomous hatred of Jews.
In the US not only is anti-semitism unacceptable but blatant anti-Israelism is not popular as well. Obama's attitude is not anti-semitism disguised as anti-Israelism (because he is not an anti-Semite,) but anti-Israelism disguised as anti-Netanyahuism.
You don't have to dig deep to see that there was never any warmth there, in a way this a brilliant strategy to subtly tweak US policy toward the left wing, "progressive" long held anti-Israel stance. Netanyahu is only too convenient a cover.
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There is real hope in the Iran negotiations. Neo-con war hawks of any nation should not be interfering in American diplomatic efforts. Too many lives are lost in pointless wars, and the Middle East is a cauldron.
Speaker Boehner came very close, or in fact, violated the Logan Act. Constitutionally only the president (with the State Department) represents the country to other nations. This is a principle that George Washington first invoked.
Speaker Boehner came very close, or in fact, violated the Logan Act. Constitutionally only the president (with the State Department) represents the country to other nations. This is a principle that George Washington first invoked.
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Here is a fantasy thought....
Obama/Netanyahu are putting on a"charade". This show was for convincing Iran that Israel had no say in this deal. Iran accedes to most of US demands since it is feeling thrilled about the rift between US/Israel..
Obama/Netanyahu are putting on a"charade". This show was for convincing Iran that Israel had no say in this deal. Iran accedes to most of US demands since it is feeling thrilled about the rift between US/Israel..
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Glad Boehner thought of it.
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What's "dangerous" is providing a clear path to nuclear armament for a country that routinely chants "Death to America" and "Death to Israel", and has expressed the desire to see Israel annihilated. While at the same time rewarding them by removing sanctions.
That's what's "dangerous". A speech - not so much.
That's what's "dangerous". A speech - not so much.
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Bibi is in full election-campaign mode, and addressing the U.S. Congress is just another campaign stop. This is just as much a campaign event as were his remarks that all the Jews of Europe should make aliyah (migrate under the Law of Return) to Israel.
Israel under Netanyahu is a theocracy, where the state appoints Chief Rabbis and the extreme Orthodox haredi control such family law matters as marriage and divorce, with military exemptions for their children under the pretext that they are religious students.
Secular Jews would find living there unpleasant compared to living in a non-theocratic Western democracy. Bibi's insult to the Jews of the Diaspora was calculated solely for domestic consumption.
Israel under Netanyahu is a theocracy, where the state appoints Chief Rabbis and the extreme Orthodox haredi control such family law matters as marriage and divorce, with military exemptions for their children under the pretext that they are religious students.
Secular Jews would find living there unpleasant compared to living in a non-theocratic Western democracy. Bibi's insult to the Jews of the Diaspora was calculated solely for domestic consumption.
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It's revealing that Boehner and his Republican cohort see war as the only solution to Iran's nuclear ambitions. Sanctions haven't worked and expecting more sanctions to work now is the very definition of insanity. Is this what we really want from our leadership? The Obama administration's negotiations with Iran are secret and no real details have emerged as to the substance of any tentative agreement, and yet the Republican led Congress seeks to undermine even the possibility of a peaceful settlement to this issue. I have no confidence in leadership that is not wiling to consider all other options before resorting to the Bush doctrine of preemptive war. And I consider the present Congressional leadership to be somewhere between feckless and outright treasonous in their attempts to undermine the State Department's ongoing diplomatic efforts.
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Israel, or at least its politicians, sometimes reminds me of George Orwell's "1984", where the "Ministry of Peace" conducted rotating wars with the country's neighbors, to maintain control of their own country.
Israel always seems to go out of its way to make itself unpopular with its neighbors, thus guaranteeing a state of war or near-war. Mr. Netanyahu's great grandchildren, and their children, will not thank him.
Israel always seems to go out of its way to make itself unpopular with its neighbors, thus guaranteeing a state of war or near-war. Mr. Netanyahu's great grandchildren, and their children, will not thank him.
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A simple question for those who question Mr. Netahyahu's destructive gambit: Will any foreign ambassador show up for his speech? Who from the diplomatic corp will attend the speech?
Terrorism is a threat to the safety and security of all Americans.
Would it really hurt President Obama to swallow his ego and listen to what Prime Minister Netanyahu has to say?
Would it really hurt President Obama to swallow his ego and listen to what Prime Minister Netanyahu has to say?
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Obama is a fairly smart man and I think he knows what Bib is going to say, he chooses and rightly I might add not to be lectured. Props to Obama for this. I'll keep saying it, when was the last time a sitting President was allowed to speak to the Knesset?
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
And all the house democrats scattering like rats!
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....and the terrorism threat is strongly influenced by what Netanyahu & Co. has done, is doing, and plans to do.
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The gross anti Israeli tone in these comments is appalling. That it comes from liberal democrats is not a surprise any longer. I guess a lot of american Jews who understand the danger of a nuclear Iran will vote republican next time. It's always baffling to me when liberal democrat end up supporting terrorist states in the name of political correctness. Israeli bashing sure is politically correct. Oye.
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American Jews largely support the Democratic party. Boehner's ham-handed and improper acts will do nothing to change that, I promise you.
Blind partisanship. This is purely a partisan issue. In the heat of the moment, they'll throw anyone under the bus because of his association with the evil republicans.
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Perhaps this development merely brings to light the truth. That Israel sees America as its "rich uncle Sam" and private back up army. Nothing more. This is the basis of an ally???
I am sorry, but I fail to see what our support for Israel at all gains for American interests in today's world. It looks to me like they behave like unruly bullies claiming land that is not theirs, and picking fights which are destructive to world peace and not justified.
In my view it is time that we sever ties with Israel. Stop all foreign aid and stop all financial support to their military.
It is time that Israel EARN our support.
I am sorry, but I fail to see what our support for Israel at all gains for American interests in today's world. It looks to me like they behave like unruly bullies claiming land that is not theirs, and picking fights which are destructive to world peace and not justified.
In my view it is time that we sever ties with Israel. Stop all foreign aid and stop all financial support to their military.
It is time that Israel EARN our support.
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There is still plenty of time for Bibi Netanyahu to catch the flu or manufacture a crisis in Israel so that he can withdraw from the ill-advised Republican invitation by John Boehner to speak before a joint session of Congress on 3 March. A word to the wise is sufficient.
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This is what I see: Speaker Boehner seems to want to act as if he's president, having signing ceremonies and inviting foreign leaders, in a way that looks as if he is trying to undermine the real president's presidency. Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn't trust American policy to protect Israel adequately. Boehner and Netanyahu found a way to help each other with their respective agendas. Republicans will continue to make things difficult for this administration and Iran will continue to be a problem for Israel, beyond the speech and beyond any nuclear agreement. I guess I see the incidents as symptoms rather than causes.
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I encourage everyone who is against Mr. Netanyahu's speech to Congress to write your Representative and Senators and ask them not to attend. The strongest message to Mr. Boehner and Mr. Netanyahu would be a nearly half-empty chamber for their partisan attack on President Obama and their attempt to sabotage delicate nuclear negotiations with Iran in favor of their preferred option of military confrontation.
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The head of a very influential pro-Israel organization in the U.S. has stated that any Democratic senator who does not show up for Mr. Netanyahu's (anti-Obama) speech to the congress must have a doctor's note.
Now some people will think that statement was hyperbole and that no organization outside congress can effectively demand that a senator do as they are told. They may think that but they would be wrong.
I would like to propose a solution to this dilemma. Let the Democratic senators show up for the speech, be checked off the attendance list by the pro-Israel organization, then get up and leave the chamber.
This plan will accomplish the goals of demonstrating the pro-Israel organizations very real power yet allow Democratic senators to show support for a Democratic president.
Now some people will think that statement was hyperbole and that no organization outside congress can effectively demand that a senator do as they are told. They may think that but they would be wrong.
I would like to propose a solution to this dilemma. Let the Democratic senators show up for the speech, be checked off the attendance list by the pro-Israel organization, then get up and leave the chamber.
This plan will accomplish the goals of demonstrating the pro-Israel organizations very real power yet allow Democratic senators to show support for a Democratic president.
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The rabid froth of hatred for Netanyahu in these comments is amazing.
Some think Netanyahu should be denied entry to the US.
Some think we should now end relations with Israel.
Some think Israel has crossed a red line.
It's a speech, people. A speech. By a leader who doesn't want nuclear arms to fall into the hands of a country that wants to destroy his.
These reactions betray the commenters' hatred and irrationality.
Some think Netanyahu should be denied entry to the US.
Some think we should now end relations with Israel.
Some think Israel has crossed a red line.
It's a speech, people. A speech. By a leader who doesn't want nuclear arms to fall into the hands of a country that wants to destroy his.
These reactions betray the commenters' hatred and irrationality.
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Agree with you completely. In addition, the administration does seem to be acting as a petulant child. If the administration can refute what Netanyahu has to say, then let them do so after the speech. They will get the last word and if they had not thrown the hissy fits of the past few weeks, I'd be much more open to hearing what the administration has to say. (Voted for Obama twice, but think the administration's behavior is unbecoming and rude.)
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It is not just a speech, it is war mongering by a foreign leader on American soil. The so-called existential threat from Iran is only that without the perceived threat Netanyahu & Co. would have no raison d'etre.
While the Iranian leadership thinks the "zionist entity" should never have been created and therefore should not exist on the map, this does NOT translate into an Iranian military threat. Iranians are smart enough to realize that any military offensive would be suicidal. In the long term the Iranians may hope that demographic change and isolation will end up wiping the name “Israel” off the map.
NOPE (Neutralize Organized Propaganda Ersatz)
While the Iranian leadership thinks the "zionist entity" should never have been created and therefore should not exist on the map, this does NOT translate into an Iranian military threat. Iranians are smart enough to realize that any military offensive would be suicidal. In the long term the Iranians may hope that demographic change and isolation will end up wiping the name “Israel” off the map.
NOPE (Neutralize Organized Propaganda Ersatz)
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Greg:
The alternative to appeasement is not "war mongering."
The alternative to appeasement is not "war mongering."
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I can't wait to hear the insights of the Prime Minister. It would be good if the President sat in on the speech.
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No member of the Executive Branch can attend the speech, because the leaders of the House and Senate have violated the constitutional separation of powers by conducting foreign policy on a matter of war without coordinating that event with the President.
Everyone can find out what the Israeli PM said from TV. It isn't likely to be something they didn't already know. On the other hand, if Netanyahu delivers a rousing call to war that inflames everyone, this Congressional blunder will have turned into a full-blown international incident.
Everyone can find out what the Israeli PM said from TV. It isn't likely to be something they didn't already know. On the other hand, if Netanyahu delivers a rousing call to war that inflames everyone, this Congressional blunder will have turned into a full-blown international incident.
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The House and Senate have not violated anything by inviting him.
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If the U.S. wants the role to represent Israel at the nuclear negotiations table then it has an obligation to hear what the Israeli government has to say. If PM Netanyahu's only venue is Congress then let it be there.
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The time has come to cut Israel lose.
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Hopefully the Israeli electorate will show their displeasure with this terrible decision. And throw this bum out in 2 weeks. And the new leadership there will work hard to get back on track with a 2 state solution. This Israeli's need to realize the world will not wait forever.
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While the White House is lambasting the Israeli Prime Minister let's not forget what President Obama said about him to President Sarkozy in November of 2011:
"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,"
I wonder how Ms. Rice would characterize that remark.
"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,"
I wonder how Ms. Rice would characterize that remark.
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We are about to find our who the real American Patriots are . . . they're the ones who do not show up for Netanyahu's speech to Congress.
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Why? Why not show up and shout him down. or, more reasonably, hear his speech and then tell the people what one thinks about it. The desperate disappearing of Democrat legislators is something we saw here in WI and it reflected poorly on them.
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It is outrageous that a foreign leader would address Congress to rail against a sitting president's policies. The disrespect shown POTUS for 6+ years mind-bending, and the undermining of government is sedition, pure and simple.
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Just what are the sitting president's policies?
Maybe it is Obama that needs to address a joint session of Congress.
Maybe it is Obama that needs to address a joint session of Congress.
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So if the PM of France or Germany wanted to address Congress in 2005 to criticize GWB's Iraq policy, you would have been totally opposed to that?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Yeah, didn't think so.
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hee hee
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This National Security Liar, Susan Rice, a stalking horse and megaphone for the president, threatens Israel with a disruption of U.S. support in order to silence any criticism of the Iranian negotiations.
The concerns of Israel are being ignored, yet so many continue to support this president no matter what. Where and when will the line be drawn?
And what steps are expected of Netanyahu in light of the existential threats faced by his country? The criticisms of his speech strike me as merely another expression of misplaced Obama-adoration.
The concerns of Israel are being ignored, yet so many continue to support this president no matter what. Where and when will the line be drawn?
And what steps are expected of Netanyahu in light of the existential threats faced by his country? The criticisms of his speech strike me as merely another expression of misplaced Obama-adoration.
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Victor how much more do you want from the United States? Your comment is ignorant at best. What President Obama should be worried about and what should be HIS TOP PRIORITY is to the American People not the people of Israel. Sorry to burst that bubble. Last time I checked we live in The United States and he is the President, you hate American policy so much as apparently Bibi does, he can choose to forego any future payments to build his illegal settlements and weapons.
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Why do you think this country can so blithely ignore the concerns of important allies, along wth promoting the interests of committed antagonists, and yet continue to enjoy the security and prosperity the populace has come to expect?
Appeasement at any cost, with ever-yielding concessions to yield an agreement, may be your idea of great American leadership, but it is not mine.
Appeasement at any cost, with ever-yielding concessions to yield an agreement, may be your idea of great American leadership, but it is not mine.
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I remember a time when Ahmedinejad was invited to Columbia university and then insulted. I thought this was crazy. Every one is entitled to civility, Ahmedinejad AND Netanyahu.
I do think the $218 million damages against PA, to be tripled under US law, was ridiculous. But it shows how pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian America really is. In this context, an invitation for Netanyahu is hardly surprising.
I do think the $218 million damages against PA, to be tripled under US law, was ridiculous. But it shows how pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian America really is. In this context, an invitation for Netanyahu is hardly surprising.
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There is only 1 truth in this entire matter...to quote Golda Meir "if the Arabs put down their guns there would be no more fighting. If the Israelis put down theirs there would be no more Israel."
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want the TRUTH? read 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' – John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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The comments have been filled with bile and vitriol against Prime Minister Netanyahu and have been defensive of the "aggrieved" Obama administration. The Obama administration's foreign policy has failed in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya and in the Ukraine at the cost of incalculable human suffering. Israel, adhering to the Begin doctrine, deprived both Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad, two of the most dangerous players in recent Middle Eastern history, of nuclear weapons. Imagine Assad and ISIS vying for a Syrian nuclear arsenal. Now is the time to do the same for Iran.
The Obama administration has been toying with the idea that an alliance can be formed with Iran to battle ISIS. Qasem Soleimani has spent years using the Iranian Quds force to destabilize Syria and Iraq. The Obama adminstration is deflecting the dialogue to be about Netanyahu's speech. Diplomatic protocol is all good and fine, but ultimately truth is more important.
The Obama administration has been toying with the idea that an alliance can be formed with Iran to battle ISIS. Qasem Soleimani has spent years using the Iranian Quds force to destabilize Syria and Iraq. The Obama adminstration is deflecting the dialogue to be about Netanyahu's speech. Diplomatic protocol is all good and fine, but ultimately truth is more important.
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I say cut Israel off. You can see Netanyahu comes here a politic'n. And this is in character for him. No statesmanship, all politics. That's why Israel keeps cutting the grass in Gaza every two years, recurrently destroying the civilization there, rather than making peace with all Palestinians, once and for all. don't tell me Israel already gave back Gaza. It is a tired argument that neglects the fact that the Palestinians are on record that they won't accept separate peaces, and they know full well that when israel gave back Gaza it meant they were keeping the west bank, and that is unacceptable to the Palestianians, as well it should be. Democrats unite against this trojan horse who would destroy them. What we know have is not a US-Israeli alliance, but a Republican Israel alliance. Feeling as I do about the Republicans, I say cut Israel loose to fend for itself. Supporting Israel is supporting the Republicans, and I for one won't tolerate that.
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Israel crossed a red line....
In 1963. Once JFK was out of the way, the dirty work at Dimona shifted into high gear....
LBJ gave Israel the green light to develop nuclear weapons of mass destruction.....Israel crossed the nuclear red line with no major objections from the Western powers.....now, the West is suffering the consequences of letting a Middle Eastern theocracy go nuclear.
Just Remember Security Council resolution 487 (1981) which calls "upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguard"
In 1963. Once JFK was out of the way, the dirty work at Dimona shifted into high gear....
LBJ gave Israel the green light to develop nuclear weapons of mass destruction.....Israel crossed the nuclear red line with no major objections from the Western powers.....now, the West is suffering the consequences of letting a Middle Eastern theocracy go nuclear.
Just Remember Security Council resolution 487 (1981) which calls "upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguard"
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This event has been damaged enough so that it won't have an effect. Netenyahu will make his speech and go home and that will be the end of it. He's already unpopular in the U.S. for trying to interfere in the 2012 elections. He's always bet on Presidents who excused every action by Israel, and for the first time he hasn't got one. There will be protesters outside the Capital building, and they'll get a lot of pr, and the President's popularity ratings have gone up since he's started standing up to Congress (with the Keystone Pipeline, etc.), and his support hasn't been damaged by standing up to the Israeli leader. The only problem is the spineless Democrats (and I vote Democratic) who won't boycott this. I'm pro-Israel, but I wish the more moderate factions in that country would get coverage by the U.S. media -- a lot of Israelis want peaceful solutions.
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I don't think that Netanyahu will ever accept the fact that he's a big fish in an exceedingly small pond, and that in a century he'll be remembered--if at all--as a George Wallace-like figure who stood guard in futile defence against the powerful tides of history. Engels' concept of "false consciousness" is exemplified today most visibly in Bibi's illusions of grandiosity and the Republicans who consistently vote against their own political interests.
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Netanyahu is here to stoke the flames of a US led war with Iran, nothing else. The only logical outcome of sabotaging a diplomatic process is a full out war -fully paid for by American lives and American tax payer dollars.
If that's what Boehner and company want, I'm not surprised. Is that what Americans want?
If that's what Boehner and company want, I'm not surprised. Is that what Americans want?
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can't we deny netanyahu a visa? why are we letting him enter the US at all? we've kept many other undesirable leaders out (i.e. arafat).
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America would do well to simply ignore the Middle East's Dick Cheney. No more war for oil or Israel.
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The U.S. has lived with the threat of Nuclear annihilation for decades, and we have somehow survived. I tend to agree with Ron Paul on this. Why should we care about a nuclear armed Iran, if we believe in the rights to bear arms and a strong military defense capability, should that not extend to foreign governments, even those we disapprove of.
I don't wish for nuclear proliferation run amok but the Israelis have yet to acknowledge their own large nuclear arsenal, that was created by spying on and stealing military secrets from their number 1, ally, partner and fan, the United States.
Perhaps it's time for Israel to declare it's nuclear arsenal, parade it's warheads through the streets, and make clear the threat of mutually assured destruction. I get the feeling that unbridled population growth, environmental despoilation and global climate change will likely end our species before global nuclear war. I just want to live our last few collective years of the reign of mankind on this planet with the illusion that all is well. This whole Israel, Iran, Mideast thing is a no - win situation.
I don't wish for nuclear proliferation run amok but the Israelis have yet to acknowledge their own large nuclear arsenal, that was created by spying on and stealing military secrets from their number 1, ally, partner and fan, the United States.
Perhaps it's time for Israel to declare it's nuclear arsenal, parade it's warheads through the streets, and make clear the threat of mutually assured destruction. I get the feeling that unbridled population growth, environmental despoilation and global climate change will likely end our species before global nuclear war. I just want to live our last few collective years of the reign of mankind on this planet with the illusion that all is well. This whole Israel, Iran, Mideast thing is a no - win situation.
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If an American ambassador in a foreign country brokered an opportunity for Obama to speak in that country's parliament without even informing the foreign office or the government, he or she would be declared persona non grata.
Of course, Obama wouldn't do that because he plays by rules.
Of course, Obama wouldn't do that because he plays by rules.
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Dea Mr Israeli Prime Minister,
Have you given a second thought to your planned visit? I do not see any positive outcome after your speech to the US congress. Please think it over there i still time to avoid further disharmony between our countries and the rest of the world
Have you given a second thought to your planned visit? I do not see any positive outcome after your speech to the US congress. Please think it over there i still time to avoid further disharmony between our countries and the rest of the world
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I don't think Netanyahu will decide not to come based on your admitted lack of vision
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I am aware that the prime minister is not going to change his mind because of my statement. Still it is useful to consider if his visit will have a positive impact. So far he has only drawn mostly complaints for trying to undercut our President efforts to bring Iran to the negotiating table. His coming here will be cheered only by hardliners with a limited vision and make the peace process more painful.
Me Netanyahu has opened Israel's Pandoras Box for questions of their being on USA's dole and influences on Middle East policies; this Congressional appearance is tacit push for USA to
consider going to war for Israel.
That position will alert the anti-war movement to rail against an unprovoked Iranian attack.
The real irony is GOP and anti-Obama efforts to tear him down will make it almost impossible for him to rally or persuade approval for war against Iran.
consider going to war for Israel.
That position will alert the anti-war movement to rail against an unprovoked Iranian attack.
The real irony is GOP and anti-Obama efforts to tear him down will make it almost impossible for him to rally or persuade approval for war against Iran.
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If Netanyahu was actually knowledgeable about Middle East politics, and truly concerned about Iran's ascendance, he should have lobbied Congress to avoid the Iraq War. Period.
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Since Netanyahu was not prime minister at the time, it would have been a neat trick for him to have done what you suggest. As it was, Israel did lobby against attacking Iraq which it foresaw as only strengthening Iran - the country of actual concern to it back then (and even more so now). The Bush Administration ignored the advice and the rest, as they say, is history. Once that political die was cast, Israel was supportive unlike some other US allies.
Sorry that the facts undermine the thrust of your comment, but you are entitled to the truth of the matter so you don't repeat your mistake.
Sorry that the facts undermine the thrust of your comment, but you are entitled to the truth of the matter so you don't repeat your mistake.
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Republicans have no CLASS whatever! Such grandstanding was unheard of in previous administrations. Because we elected the first African-American president the republicans stoop to the most ludicrous positions. Largely, this is a racist policy that the repubs follow,. It works! That is why they control the congress.
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Just political posturing preparatory to the Democrats doing the same thing to the next Republican president.
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It is amazing how much our media attention is concentrated on the Bibi speech, and how little information and analysis we get on the deal with Iran. Red herring anybody?
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Exactly. Just like Obamacare: wait until the deal is made to find out what's in it.
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John Boehner seems to be locked in an epic power struggle with the President. His daily decisions and actions seem focused on the singular objective of forcing President Obama's hand by inflicting some kind of damage.
But Mr. Boehner is a feckless, and rather ignorant, combatant, hopelessly overmatched by the President's political and legal skills. Every attack on the President, like the repeals of the ACA, has failed. A bill to impose new Iranian sanctions is doomed to failure by presidential veto. Yet Boehner and the Republicans keep trying, insanely expecting a different result.
It is Boehner and the congressional Republicans who are "destructive". They are destroying constructive solutions to complex problems like Iranian nuclear weapons. They are destroying the lives of government workers and kids born in America to illegal immigrants. Foolishly, they are even destroying their own political viability.
Bibi is a destructionist himself, who would rather (nuclear) bomb Iran than let them have electricity within their borders produced by nuclear power. His rude visit to Congress is of course partisan, taking sides with Boehner to stick it to Obama. But he's as insane as the House Republicans to think that they will make the President do what they want.
But Mr. Boehner is a feckless, and rather ignorant, combatant, hopelessly overmatched by the President's political and legal skills. Every attack on the President, like the repeals of the ACA, has failed. A bill to impose new Iranian sanctions is doomed to failure by presidential veto. Yet Boehner and the Republicans keep trying, insanely expecting a different result.
It is Boehner and the congressional Republicans who are "destructive". They are destroying constructive solutions to complex problems like Iranian nuclear weapons. They are destroying the lives of government workers and kids born in America to illegal immigrants. Foolishly, they are even destroying their own political viability.
Bibi is a destructionist himself, who would rather (nuclear) bomb Iran than let them have electricity within their borders produced by nuclear power. His rude visit to Congress is of course partisan, taking sides with Boehner to stick it to Obama. But he's as insane as the House Republicans to think that they will make the President do what they want.
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I completely agree. My hope is Boehner continues his hairpin turns to the right to keep peace in his caucus which finally convinces the majority of the American public that the current Republican party is totally incompetent on every level and certainly should come nowhere close to placing their hands on the wheels of power.
We have an enemy who has publicly stated that they want to destroy both the United States and Israel.
We have a president who is concerned with protocol and the politically correct name to call these terrorists.
This should be the biggest concern to all Americans.
We have a president who is concerned with protocol and the politically correct name to call these terrorists.
This should be the biggest concern to all Americans.
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"We have an enemy who has publicly stated that they want to destroy both the United States and Israel." And the US has invaded, bombed, occupied and surreptitiously regime changed how many nations and sovereign countries now? Do you think for one minute that Iran hasn't considered that if they bombed/nuclear bombed Israel that the US and all NATO allies would respond accordingly? Gimme a break. All war all the time is what folks such as yourself are asking. There's a big number of us that are tired of wasting young American lives and all our treasure on these ridiculous adventures in destruction because destruction and more deficit spending is all we have to show for them. Get real, for once, get real.
What else can be said about Netanyahu's visit? This man believes that he can manipulate the president of the United States by accepting an invitation from the GOP. Does he know that there is still more than a year of the Obama administration and that eventually Obama is the one making the decisions and not the GOP.
Besides, there was a leak this week from a MOSSAD memo stating that the Iranian Nuclear concerns were greatly exaggerated by Bibi during his speech at the UN a couple of years ago.
I wonder if sometimes Mr. Netanyahu looks himself in the mirror and realizes that he's wrong. My bet is that he doesn't or ignores it.
Besides, there was a leak this week from a MOSSAD memo stating that the Iranian Nuclear concerns were greatly exaggerated by Bibi during his speech at the UN a couple of years ago.
I wonder if sometimes Mr. Netanyahu looks himself in the mirror and realizes that he's wrong. My bet is that he doesn't or ignores it.
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The congressional Democrats should pull a Lynch and flat out turn their backs on this repugnant, arrogant buffoon Netanyahu.
He is the leader of a welfare state that has battened at the expense of the American taxpayer for far too long.
Whether treasonous conservatives accept it or not, when you disrespect the President, you disrespect America.
He is the leader of a welfare state that has battened at the expense of the American taxpayer for far too long.
Whether treasonous conservatives accept it or not, when you disrespect the President, you disrespect America.
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Of course, Obama can just have a private meeting with Netanyahu and hear what he has to say. Netanyahu has far more experience in dealing with terrorism than Obama does. Oh, and Netanyahu served in the military. Obama did not. Just sayin'.
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Netanyahu certainly has a lot of experience with terrorism. He and his despicable country have been engaging in it for over 60 years.
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I've never seen two sides act more childish about anything. The right course is to claim a terrible misunderstanding and postpone this ill-conceived lecture. Any assistant professor would be able to see this; it's amazing to me that two Prime Ministers/Presidents cannot.
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The visit by the Prime Minister of Israel should be postponed after the election. The election in Israel is March 17 and the visit is March 3. If we haven't reached an accord with Iran during the past many years of negotiating, then it is unlikely that we reach an accord between March 3 and March 17. So the visit can wait. I do think the Prime Minister Netanyahu believes he is acting in Israel's best interest, but I also think the current timing is politically motivated.
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As an American (religious) Jew (and a Democrat), I'm appalled at Netanyahu's actions.
Unfortunately, I don't have much hope about reasonable leaders gaining power in Israel. An increase in two major voting blocs in Israel has resulted in a rightward drift: the population of both former Soviet emigres and ultra-Orthodox Jews, both of which reliably vote right wing.
The more Israel drifts to the right, the less hope I have for its future. (And, since we're talking foreign policy here, I won't even get into Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.)
Unfortunately, I don't have much hope about reasonable leaders gaining power in Israel. An increase in two major voting blocs in Israel has resulted in a rightward drift: the population of both former Soviet emigres and ultra-Orthodox Jews, both of which reliably vote right wing.
The more Israel drifts to the right, the less hope I have for its future. (And, since we're talking foreign policy here, I won't even get into Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.)
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Sir, I am a Danish from jewish origin and believe that Bibi has made Israel into a nouveasu ghetto, and instead of preventing Holocaust II, made it more likely by threatening Iran. Attacking Iran will only unite and strengthen israel's enemies and is a fatal mistaske. Bibi, time to reboot.
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Consider the source!
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This is not the first time that Netanyahu has inserted himself into US policies and politics. During the Presidential election he made it quite clear who his choice was and was out front doing all he could to bring that about. At that point the US should have realized that he is no friend of America or his own country. If we are to continue to support Israel at the high level we have established, a question worth debating, than it is time to make Israel understand that we will rethink our commitment as long as a head of state brazenly interferes in our affairs. We should do what is in our best interests and nobody elses. It is amazing to watch this play out as nobody in Israel even knows what the agreement is that is being negotiated but to Netanyahu, any deal is bad regardless of the content.
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It is Obama's actions and his general attitude of towards Israel that has been destructive for US-Israel relations - not an Israeli prime minister speaking up before the US makes a dangerous and irresponsible deal with Iran.
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John NY - I don't think I've ever heard of an agreement between two opposing nations to not go to war referred to as "dangerous and irresponsible." So, your answer to Iran would be, what exactly? Stop doing whatever it is you're doing or we'll (pick one or more) bomb, invade, occupy, destabilize and co-opt regime change whether your people want that or not. Sounds a lot like Iraq, doesn't it. Now, that's a shining example of American Exceptionalism, eh?
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Unless there's something new since October 2012, Netanyahu has already stated his case:
Red Lines in the Sand: Israel's credibility problem on Iran.
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been campaigning for an unambiguous red line to stop Iran’s nuclear advance. In an infelicitous foray into American politics last month, he took to the Sunday morning television shows to insist that Barack Obama act to stop Iran, saying, “You have to place that red line before them now.” Smarting from the Obama administration’s refusals, he challenged the U.S. president with the zinger: “Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.” Then, at the U.N. General Assembly meeting, he held up a cartoon of a bomb and with a marker drew a red line, declaring that Iran could not be allowed to produce a stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium sufficient (after further enrichment) for its first nuclear bomb. On the current trajectory, as laid out in the public reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran will reach that point in about six months.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/11/red-lines-in-the-sand/
Red Lines in the Sand: Israel's credibility problem on Iran.
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been campaigning for an unambiguous red line to stop Iran’s nuclear advance. In an infelicitous foray into American politics last month, he took to the Sunday morning television shows to insist that Barack Obama act to stop Iran, saying, “You have to place that red line before them now.” Smarting from the Obama administration’s refusals, he challenged the U.S. president with the zinger: “Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.” Then, at the U.N. General Assembly meeting, he held up a cartoon of a bomb and with a marker drew a red line, declaring that Iran could not be allowed to produce a stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium sufficient (after further enrichment) for its first nuclear bomb. On the current trajectory, as laid out in the public reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran will reach that point in about six months.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/11/red-lines-in-the-sand/
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I have no problem with Netanyahu addressing Congress. They are the people elected to be our voice afterall and communicate with their constituents about events affecting us. We should not be held in the dark over these kinds of matters. Obviously the situation has become so dire that he felt this was needed. Israel is our ally. Iran is not. If our administration doesn't feel a need to consult our closest ally to the situation then I don't blame that ally for making efforts to reach the American people. Susan Rice has been consistantly terrible at every job appointed to her. She has once again stuck her foot in her mouth and made this administration look bad.
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So, the essence of your argument is that the US should conduct foreign policy via public sentiment. If that truly is your case, I think the majority of the US is against an Israeli proxy war with Iran, so we're supportive of the Obama administration's efforts to reach an accord. I know everyone keeps saying that Israel is our "ally" but if you research this topic, the US has signed no agreements with Israel.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/751
They are a de facto ally in practice only and, during the Ford and Nixon administrations, that de facto status was strained as well:
Nixon and Ford Administrations (1969–1977) The Reassessment Crisis[edit]
In early 1975, the Israeli government turned down a US initiative for further redeployment in Sinai. President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by sending Prime Minister Rabin a letter stating that Israeli intransigence has complicated US worldwide interests, and therefore the administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted. The reassessment crisis came to an end with the Israeli-Egyptian disengagement of forces agreement of 4 September 1975.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
So, please US, do some homework. The answers are at our fingertips if we only choose to look for them.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/751
They are a de facto ally in practice only and, during the Ford and Nixon administrations, that de facto status was strained as well:
Nixon and Ford Administrations (1969–1977) The Reassessment Crisis[edit]
In early 1975, the Israeli government turned down a US initiative for further redeployment in Sinai. President Ford responded on 21 March 1975 by sending Prime Minister Rabin a letter stating that Israeli intransigence has complicated US worldwide interests, and therefore the administration will reassess its relations with the Israeli government. In addition, arms shipments to Israel halted. The reassessment crisis came to an end with the Israeli-Egyptian disengagement of forces agreement of 4 September 1975.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
So, please US, do some homework. The answers are at our fingertips if we only choose to look for them.
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Boenhner used it as a "Gotcha" tactic. Netanyahu wasn't here to "help" the US, he was here to gain support before running for office another time. We have provided Israel with $$$$ for years.
Again, it's the forum. Bibi could have come and given a speech to AIPAC, or maybe even to the UN. You don't undermine the authority of a head of state by diving into partisan internal politics. And you don't try relentlessly for years to weaken the president at every opportunity, then turn around and complain that he's weak. Boehner has embarrassed our country - again - but this time on a national stage. And Bibi's playing into it for his own narrow purposes. I hope enough Israelis see through this to crush him and his belligerent party in the election.
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Congress has the right to invite and listen to any head of state they wish to. Netanyahu has not been able to have the ear of the Nation and this will give him that chance. Obama and his western partners are attempting do negotiate with a country that has two governments. And Kerry and crew are talking to the wrong one. When Iranian mobs and leaders espouse death to Israel and death to America, the American President and the American people should stop sticking their heads in the sand pay attention. The Iranians mean what they say.
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"Netanyahu has not been able to have the ear of the Nation and this will give him that chance." My first concern is, why does Netanyahu need the ear of this nation? Neither you nor I can vote for him and we are not privy to the information held by all the three letter agencies (NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS, et.al,) in addition to the Department of State, the Pentagon and every other holder of the critical pieces of the puzzle that is Foreign Policy to decide if his information is true and accurate or seriously flawed.
Don't kid yourself, this is the USA. If Netanyahu wants to visit with the American public (and by default, the Congress) he can publish Op-Eds in any number of newspapers and make the TV pundit circuits for as long as he wants. Do you think for a minute FOX news would turn him down? Instead of listening to all the noise, ask yourself what sounds reasonable.
Don't kid yourself, this is the USA. If Netanyahu wants to visit with the American public (and by default, the Congress) he can publish Op-Eds in any number of newspapers and make the TV pundit circuits for as long as he wants. Do you think for a minute FOX news would turn him down? Instead of listening to all the noise, ask yourself what sounds reasonable.
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The Israel Lobby has gone too far this time.
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If Mr. Netanyahu was really interested in "informing the American people" of his views re the negotiations, he could simply have come to the US and made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows. I'm sure all the various networks (right and left leaning) would consider him a "get" and give him all the time he wanted. Instead, he and Speaker Boehner have created an unnecessary controversy by having Mr. Netanyahu appear before the United States Congress (made up on both Democrats and Republicans). Did Speaker Boehner discuss this invite with the Minority Leader of the House before extending it? I think not.
It is a blatant slap in the face not only to the President but to the rest of the country and a misguided attempt to embarrass the President. They have ended up embarrassing themselves and making enemies where it wasn't necessary. If there is nothing wrong with Speaker Boehner inviting Netanyahu, and in Netanyahu's acceptance, then why was it done in secret?
It is a blatant slap in the face not only to the President but to the rest of the country and a misguided attempt to embarrass the President. They have ended up embarrassing themselves and making enemies where it wasn't necessary. If there is nothing wrong with Speaker Boehner inviting Netanyahu, and in Netanyahu's acceptance, then why was it done in secret?
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America has not had a statesman in The White House for almost half a century.
Beginning with LBJ's phony Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, The White House has been occupied by an unbroken string of politicians completely out of their depth with world history, culture and languages. The current occupant is no exception.
Beginning with LBJ's phony Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, The White House has been occupied by an unbroken string of politicians completely out of their depth with world history, culture and languages. The current occupant is no exception.
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Since the Civil War, this is the biggest divisive act faced by we American Citizen. A threat to our unity, American society, and a show of mockery among the world. We need a Lincoln to overcome this absurdity
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It is destructive because Obama threw a tantrum. But hearing other perspectives is not something that liberals and their elites are used to. Just hear what the man has to say, even if you disagree with him instead of making him a villain for accepting an invitation that was extended to him by the leader of the house.
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Obama threw a tantrum? Let me show you the difference. Here's a tantrum: Bill O'Reilly being called out for aggrandizing his coverage of the Falkan war zone. I'm being generous with "aggrandizing." You'd call it being politically correct.
Netanyahu and Boehner are not going to back down now; they would lose too much face. The speech is going to happen. So, let's stop Israel from further meddling in the foreign policy of the U.S.
Netanyahu could send planes and rockets in 5 minutes to get what he says he wants - to bomb the facilities in Iran that could produce nuclear weapons. Let's tell him to go ahead if he dares. Why doesn't he?
He knows that Iran is not going to attack Israel because we will defend Israel if attacked. And Netanyahu won't attack Iran because we are not obligated to intervene militarily if Israel attacks another country.
What Netanyahu wants to achieve from his speech (aside from his primary goal of getting re-elected) is to undermine the deal the Administration is negotiating with Iran. When Iran resumes production of nuclear weapons, pressure will build on the U.S. to bomb Iran.
Netanyahu has been putting a target on our backs for years by undermining every attempt the U.S. has made to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. That has inflamed radicals in islamist countries against the U.S. to the point that we have been attacked on our soil and our citizens now cannot travel to many of those countries without fear of being executed.
Let's stop this by telling Israel it could lose part of its lifeline if it continues meddling in our foreign policy. Boehner should be siding with the U.S. rather than helping a megalomaniac like Netanyahu try to draw us into war with Iran.
Netanyahu could send planes and rockets in 5 minutes to get what he says he wants - to bomb the facilities in Iran that could produce nuclear weapons. Let's tell him to go ahead if he dares. Why doesn't he?
He knows that Iran is not going to attack Israel because we will defend Israel if attacked. And Netanyahu won't attack Iran because we are not obligated to intervene militarily if Israel attacks another country.
What Netanyahu wants to achieve from his speech (aside from his primary goal of getting re-elected) is to undermine the deal the Administration is negotiating with Iran. When Iran resumes production of nuclear weapons, pressure will build on the U.S. to bomb Iran.
Netanyahu has been putting a target on our backs for years by undermining every attempt the U.S. has made to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. That has inflamed radicals in islamist countries against the U.S. to the point that we have been attacked on our soil and our citizens now cannot travel to many of those countries without fear of being executed.
Let's stop this by telling Israel it could lose part of its lifeline if it continues meddling in our foreign policy. Boehner should be siding with the U.S. rather than helping a megalomaniac like Netanyahu try to draw us into war with Iran.
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Excellent summary of the situation. Well said.
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America's subservience to Israel is destructive. American supporters of Israel putting the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of America is destructive. The failure of the American media to deal honestly and accurately with Israel, its history, its policies, and its actions is destructive.
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Susan Rice has a bad habit of speaking up when silence would be far better. Netanyahu's actions speak for themselves and paint him in a far worse light than she ever could.
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Netanyahu ignors resolutions concerning his illegal land grab policies in West Bank settlements and the veritable strangulation, seige, and starvation of Gaza, shirking world opinion. He doggedly persists in the execution of these policies, emboldened by intractable US support, even though he is clearly stoking the fires of bitter entrenched hatred amongst the palestinians and arabs at large spanning generations. Israel is effectively a hegemonistic colonizer and a brutal occupation force having no right to exist, yet incredibly insisting on being formerly recognized as such. This dogged treachery and arrogance is the driving force behind the Hamas missle attacks and Iran´s push for nuclear weapons, no question.
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Tuesday: Hem in the export of a legal product (oil) by our closest ally with our longest border - Canada. Check.
Wednesday: Disparage the leader of our closest ally and only democracy in the Middle East - Israel. Check.
England has to wonder when we may commence bombing them.
Wednesday: Disparage the leader of our closest ally and only democracy in the Middle East - Israel. Check.
England has to wonder when we may commence bombing them.
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In my view America should: 1.) shut off the $3.5B a year spigot to Israel, 2.) recall Ron Dermer and summarily fire him for activities incompatible with his posting 3.) declare Mr. Netanyahu persona non grata and 4.) conclude the current Iran/US Nuclear negotiations ASAP.
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Netanyahu has almost guaranteed that the next generation of American leaders will be less and less inclined to support Israel. He has contributed to the perception that Israel controls or seeks to control American foreign policy. He has done more than any other Israeli leader to jeopardize the continuing existence of Israel.
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On the contrary, Ms. Rice, you and your boss have taken a partisan wrecking ball to the US-Israeli relationship (and simultaneously to the US relationship with our most important Arab allies) for six years and are now obsessed with making a shameful agreement that will allow Iran to go nuclear. Our relationship with Israel will be just fine again as soon as you leave, which cannot be too soon. Most Americans agree with Bibi, however much abuse you heap on him.
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I certainly hope that you and your "most American" friends aren't going to act like a big brother while he antagonizes the whole Middle East. There is no logic to supporting him. See "The Israel Lobby And U.S. Foreign Policy" by Stephen Walt, Harvard University"
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In January 2015, a deranged thug murdered four Jews in a Kosher market in Paris. Netanyahu responded by encouraging all French Jews to move to Israel "for their safety."
So tell me, were Netanyahu's words designed to comfort and heal the rattled Jews of France, or were they designed to cravenly curry favour with the voters in Israel? What a despicable, opportunistic person.
So tell me, were Netanyahu's words designed to comfort and heal the rattled Jews of France, or were they designed to cravenly curry favour with the voters in Israel? What a despicable, opportunistic person.
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This from the woman who lied to us about Benghazi and called the deserter Bowe Bergdahl a "hero?"
She should hAve been fired years ago.
She should hAve been fired years ago.
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uhh... since when are we The United States of Israel?
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To all those "enraged" by the Prime Minister of Israel: when and how were you wronged by the Jewish state? The whole blame for this episode lies with mr. Boehner, and it does look like a trap where Mr. Netanyahu cannot win. When was a language used againt democratically elected leader of THE democratic state in the Middle East used toward the worst sadistic tyrans of this planet?
So, to people with sense of reality: call your representatives, demand they afford Mr. Netanyahu the same respect seemingly reserved for everyone else.
So, to people with sense of reality: call your representatives, demand they afford Mr. Netanyahu the same respect seemingly reserved for everyone else.
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Although I have no love for the Republican party, I did have some respect for Mr. Boehner's efforts to deal with his fractious caucus; however, that respect turned to disdain when he invited Mr. Netanyahu to speak before Congress. Boehner's invitation has nothing to do with Israel; rather it is simply an ugly and divisive attempt to embarrass Mr. Obama. Shame on you John Boehner.
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How do you spell "war monger"? ....McCain Netanyahu
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In a letter released by Mr. Durbin’s office, Mr. Netanyahu said such a meeting “could compound the misperception of partisanship regarding my upcoming visit.”
Ya right, Bibi. Only talking to one side while giving the back of your hand to the other . . . that's bipartisanship all right! Why not just spit in the president's eye while you're in town as well?
Ya right, Bibi. Only talking to one side while giving the back of your hand to the other . . . that's bipartisanship all right! Why not just spit in the president's eye while you're in town as well?
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Both sides have legitimate gripes with the other. The Israelis see Obama mishandling a confused foreign policy in the most dangerous neighborhood in the world, plus he is eager to do a nuclear deal with the Iranians at almost any cost, which is not good news for Israel. Obama is fed up with Netanyahu's brusque disregard for US sensitivities on hot button issues like the growth of West Bank settlements. But this has spun out of control to become an embarrassing middle school cafeteria feud that has more to do with personalities then policies.
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Susan Rice must be seen but not heard: she is the most undiplomatic person ever to serve in any administration.
She complains that Bibi's visit will inject a degree of partisanship but is unspecific about where: is his visit going to polarize our public opinion more here or create partisan battles in Israel? The latter should be no skin off our collective nose.
And, what's with this silly talk that Bibi's trip will be 'destructive' of the fabric of our relationship? He is free to come to this country if he wants, and Boehner, who is third in line for presidency, is free to invite whomever he wants to address the Congress.
In fact, by taking such a hard-nosed position on Bibi's visit, Obama administration is actually TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS in Israel. What is the point of not meeting Bibi for fear of influencing the outcome of elections if you cannot keep your mouth shut about the visit itself.
By taking the position it has, as expressed by Susan Rice, Obama administration IS influencing the outcome of elections there: either it makes Bibi more popular, notwithstanding his recent scandal regarding his expensed items, and gets him reelected, or makes him less popular, in conjunction with the billing scandal, and makes him lose his control.
Unwittingly, Obama administration IS trying to decide the outcome of Israeli elections. If his visit does not bother Obama, as he has stated on numerous occasions, then let it not bother you. Walk the talk, O.
She complains that Bibi's visit will inject a degree of partisanship but is unspecific about where: is his visit going to polarize our public opinion more here or create partisan battles in Israel? The latter should be no skin off our collective nose.
And, what's with this silly talk that Bibi's trip will be 'destructive' of the fabric of our relationship? He is free to come to this country if he wants, and Boehner, who is third in line for presidency, is free to invite whomever he wants to address the Congress.
In fact, by taking such a hard-nosed position on Bibi's visit, Obama administration is actually TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS in Israel. What is the point of not meeting Bibi for fear of influencing the outcome of elections if you cannot keep your mouth shut about the visit itself.
By taking the position it has, as expressed by Susan Rice, Obama administration IS influencing the outcome of elections there: either it makes Bibi more popular, notwithstanding his recent scandal regarding his expensed items, and gets him reelected, or makes him less popular, in conjunction with the billing scandal, and makes him lose his control.
Unwittingly, Obama administration IS trying to decide the outcome of Israeli elections. If his visit does not bother Obama, as he has stated on numerous occasions, then let it not bother you. Walk the talk, O.
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Sure, Sonny, that works if you completely ignore all the background to the situation! I mean, it's not like Netanyahu is trying to go around the President in an appeal to Congress not to have a diplomatic agreement with Iran...or Boehner isn't trying to embarrass the President in any way. I mean, it's not either of them are violating established protocol. And Netanyahu didn't do anything to betray his political leanings during our last presidential election, did he?
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Netanyahu is rightly receiving condemnation for this untimely visit. But what about Boehner? He invited Netanyahu without consulting the White House. A clear breach of protocol and unwise meddling in the sensitive negotiations to secure a nuclear deal with Iran. And this from the Speaker who professes to desire a cooperative working relationship with the President. Say one thing. Do another. Greatly disappointing.
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Obama's entire presidency is predicated upon breaches of protocol. This is little more than Obama being scared that Netanyahu will expose the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the administration's negotiations with Iran. Rather than keeping Iran from getting nukes, the Obama administration's plan virtually assures it. Obama is telling Israel, "if you like your country, you can keep your country"
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treabeton-
But entirely predictable.
But entirely predictable.
"Say one thing. Do another. "
Do I really need to point out how many times Mr. Obama has done exactly that?
If hypocrisy is such a problem for you, then you might want to reconsider your support for the President.
Do I really need to point out how many times Mr. Obama has done exactly that?
If hypocrisy is such a problem for you, then you might want to reconsider your support for the President.
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I wish someone would tell House Speaker Boehner that he's not the President of the United States and not the Commander in Chief. Foreign policy should not be hijacked by a political hack trying to save his job as Speaker by placating the extremist Tea Party House Republicans which undermines our foreign policy in the process.
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Netanyahu is doing Sheldon Adelson's bidding, again. He's coming here to say "he's against it" whatever Obama is trying to accomplish with the Iranians. As with the Republicans, he has not come up with a suggestion of what to do instead this side of stating a war that will be without end. It is an easy way to garner headlines, but destructive and against Israel's strategic interest.
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Ever since she appeared on all Sunday talk shows mouthing an known incorrect lie about Bengasi, I never hear a word Susan Rice says. She is national security advisor only to send a political message. She is unqualified for the job. Nothing but a mouthpiece.
I do not support Netanyahu's visit to speak, but she's the wrong one to criticize it, or anything else.
I do not support Netanyahu's visit to speak, but she's the wrong one to criticize it, or anything else.
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A majority vote in Congress, meaning Democrats, Republicans and Independents agreed to invite Netanyahu to speak before Congress. This could be interpreted as an opportunity to counterweight the American pressure on Iran to agree to a nuclear agreement more than a snub to President Obama. It is vital to American interests and loyalties to Israel, our strongest ally in the region, to allow our representatives in government to show a united support for Israel,
Prime Minister Netanyahu is facing many of the same criticisms from the people in Israel that both Democrats and Republicans face in the U.S. As an election looms in March, there are scandals related to over bloated expenses which his opposition claim violated Israeli campaign finance laws. Mr. Netanyahu is playing to his base in addressing security issues while his opponents emphasize governmental corruption and economic reforms. Sounds vaguely familiar to the divide between Democratic and Republican concerns.
What is striking is that the Israeli voters seem to be split between outrage about the corruption in government as more of an immediate threat than regional security. The US has far more egregious corruption tied to campaign financing yet the majority of the public is powerless to effect change. No doubt that Israeli intelligence is vital to the American role in fighting against terrorism in the region and the concerns about nuclear proliferation remain the crux of U.S. diplomacy to engage Iran in direct talks.
Prime Minister Netanyahu is facing many of the same criticisms from the people in Israel that both Democrats and Republicans face in the U.S. As an election looms in March, there are scandals related to over bloated expenses which his opposition claim violated Israeli campaign finance laws. Mr. Netanyahu is playing to his base in addressing security issues while his opponents emphasize governmental corruption and economic reforms. Sounds vaguely familiar to the divide between Democratic and Republican concerns.
What is striking is that the Israeli voters seem to be split between outrage about the corruption in government as more of an immediate threat than regional security. The US has far more egregious corruption tied to campaign financing yet the majority of the public is powerless to effect change. No doubt that Israeli intelligence is vital to the American role in fighting against terrorism in the region and the concerns about nuclear proliferation remain the crux of U.S. diplomacy to engage Iran in direct talks.
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Achievements of Bibi
Look at this Netanyahu government's achievement. Bad relations with the US. Bad relations with Turkey. Bad relations with Europe. Rise of anti-Semitism after Gaza. Bad relations with the Palestinians. And finally, what peace process?
Look at this Netanyahu government's achievement. Bad relations with the US. Bad relations with Turkey. Bad relations with Europe. Rise of anti-Semitism after Gaza. Bad relations with the Palestinians. And finally, what peace process?
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If the current government of Israel wants to unwisely identify and tie their future to a single political party then said government should expect no support from the other political affiliations in our country --but let it be said that abandoning support from all political stripes in favor of cavorting to a party of dubious staying power considering changes in American demographics, a party more and more aligned with the far right, a party more and more becoming the face of xenophobia, and identifying as a racially white... That is simply madness.
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Progressives in the Democratic Party withdrew support for Israel a long time ago.
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Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, has very poorly served his country. By facilitating this speech, in the way he did it, he mis-read Washington, provoked a hugely negative reaction, and sparked a crisis in US-Israel relations. The substantive policy goals of his government - to put the brakes on a deal with Iran - have been thwarted by this unnecessary controversy, not advanced. Regardless of his good motives, or what he thought he was doing for Israel, the objective truth is he created a disaster. He should be fired and replaced by a professional who can do a better job of improving Israel's relationship with the United States.
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President Obama's biggest legacy will be permitting Iran to get nuclear weapons giving them free reign to continue sponsoring terrorism around the world.
Prime Minister Netanyahu understands this. Unfortunately President Obama does not. All Americans will pay the price.
Prime Minister Netanyahu understands this. Unfortunately President Obama does not. All Americans will pay the price.
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President Obama's biggest legacy will be avoiding the biggest war ever in the Middle East, and possibly avoiding WW3. This avoidance provides for the long term security of Israel. If he were to let this war happen, Israel's long term future is toast.
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Disagree. If nothing else, Obama's "legacy" is that by attempting to bring a degree of moderation and reason to U.S. foreign policy he sought to reverse a dangerous and unsustainable course that had been charted by the previous administration. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. took near-unanimous worldwide support for the United States after 9/11 and squandered every bit of it with a disastrous, ill-advised and unnecessary war in Iraq. I would have thought an approach based solely on bellicosity and threats of bombing or invasion had already been discredited.
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His actions are simply avoiding the issue instead of confronting the issue now to prevent WW3. He is repeating the same mistakes made before WW II
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Perhaps another Congressperson should invite a prominent Iranian to address Congress on the same day? Why waste the audience?
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Netanyahu has no place in influencing our already fractious political theater. I really resent him "dictating" how we deal with other countries in Israel's interests not necessarily what is good for our country. Getting a nuclear deal with Iran is SO much better than not getting one--no deal would mean we would have no oversight or clue as to what they might develop.
Repairing relations with Iran may be the start of a reduction in the threat to Israel anyway, as they would have to be more open to US interests in order to keep the relationship in good stead. Taking the hard line has gotten us nowhere. It has made Iran a more difficult part of the middle east issue. We should at least make a first class effort to ease sanctions and increase oversight of whatever nuclear pursuits Iran is engaged in.
Repairing relations with Iran may be the start of a reduction in the threat to Israel anyway, as they would have to be more open to US interests in order to keep the relationship in good stead. Taking the hard line has gotten us nowhere. It has made Iran a more difficult part of the middle east issue. We should at least make a first class effort to ease sanctions and increase oversight of whatever nuclear pursuits Iran is engaged in.
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Regardless of ones position on Mr. Netanyahu's politics, or even America's relationship with Israel, can we all at least agree that as Prime Minister of our closest ally in the Middle East we ought to hear what he has to say? While I realize that our collective positions (Left, Right and in the middle) have already pre-determined both the content and value of the Prime Minister's thoughts on the issue of Iran and nuclear weapons before he has even stated them before our Congress, I am coming up short on why so many are showing themselves as being virulently opposed to his speech. Whatever the United States does in regard to the potential agreement with Iran will likely be determined by our chief executive if the president remains true to his word that he will exercise his executive authority to get things done (as Congress won't, per the president). Frankly, this all seems much ado about nothing.
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" can we all at least agree that as Prime Minister of our closest ally in the Middle East we ought to hear what he has to say? "
The question is whether or not a speech before congress is the best venue for Netanyahu to share what he has to say. That would certainly not be the case for sensitive intelligence information, and as for the rest, Bibi has been giving his opinion for several years now, in front of the UN and elsewhere. Do you honestly think that either the administration, or congress, for that matter are unaware of what Netanyahu wants?
The sole purpose of this speech is to chide the President on his approach to Iran. How anybody can fail to see the colossal nerve of the PM of Israel lecturing the US President on what to do in Congress is beyond me.
The question is whether or not a speech before congress is the best venue for Netanyahu to share what he has to say. That would certainly not be the case for sensitive intelligence information, and as for the rest, Bibi has been giving his opinion for several years now, in front of the UN and elsewhere. Do you honestly think that either the administration, or congress, for that matter are unaware of what Netanyahu wants?
The sole purpose of this speech is to chide the President on his approach to Iran. How anybody can fail to see the colossal nerve of the PM of Israel lecturing the US President on what to do in Congress is beyond me.
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UncommonSense
I see no sense in regarding Israel as our closest ally. The friend of my enemy (the Republican Party) is my enemy.
I see no sense in regarding Israel as our closest ally. The friend of my enemy (the Republican Party) is my enemy.
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Let him write an Op/Ed in this newspaper then.
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It does not bode well for the US-Israeli relationship if Israelis return Mr Netanyahu to power. Under the latter, Israel is fast becoming not an ally of America but a friend to the conservative, GOP-led part of America whom Netanyahu leads around by the nose.
If Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition continues to lead Israel, it really will be time to create more daylight and distance between the two countries because, increasingly, our national interests will not be the same.
If Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition continues to lead Israel, it really will be time to create more daylight and distance between the two countries because, increasingly, our national interests will not be the same.
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This is a dangerous little game that Boehner and Netanyahu are playing. To the historians out there: has a foreign head of state ever addressed the US Congress without being invited by the President?
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If Obama administration feels so strongly about the forthcoming visit of Netanyahu why can't it refuse his admission to US ? Are they so spineless that they cannot stop a single person coming to USA. This is the nadir of American President's power. Don't allow him entrance to US and make the Israeli ambassador persona non grata. Throw him out of this country. For God's sake, who rules this country. Obama or Netanyahu.
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netanyahu is the problem
Netanyahu has failed to integrate Israel in the region with the 20 Arab countries. Let us be like the nations and elect a new Prime Minister who will seek peace and pursue it until Israel can fully trade with all Arab and Muslim States. (Arab League proposal in 2002).
Netanyahu has failed to integrate Israel in the region with the 20 Arab countries. Let us be like the nations and elect a new Prime Minister who will seek peace and pursue it until Israel can fully trade with all Arab and Muslim States. (Arab League proposal in 2002).
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More inflammatory comments from an administration bent on getting a deal, any deal, even if it's a bad deal.
I am now that much more interested in hearing what Mr. Netanyahu has to say. As it appears, so is the vast majority of Congress.
They are words. What is the administration so afraid of hearing?
I am now that much more interested in hearing what Mr. Netanyahu has to say. As it appears, so is the vast majority of Congress.
They are words. What is the administration so afraid of hearing?
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For as long as I can remember, I had dreamed and prayed for a Jewish homeland, in the chosen land that God gave to the Jewish people.. When this miracle happened, I truly believed that God had answered my prayers and the prayers of the Jewish people.We had a place in the world where we were not afraid of using our last name out of fear of being persecuted and hated.A place where we would no longer see signs that said no jews or dogs allowed, which was a sign in Tuxedo, N.Y.I consider myself first and foremost, an American,but I find myself in a position where I must take a stand against one of the two places in the world that I love.It's comparable to making a choice between my children, and I am angry, I'm angry at Netanyahu, & President Obama for putting me in this position.What I find frustrating is that Netanyahu overstepped his boundary, & is responsible for the dilemma that I find myself in. I feel he is misusing his position & has caused a chasm in Israelis relationship with the United States.I'm angry with the Obama administration
for acting like hurt children who are slighted, and are mad & will not talk or acknowledge a friend.Neither Netanyahu nor President Obama will change my support for Israel or the Democratic Party. Both men will shortly fall out of power, & new relationships for the better will begin.Time heals most pain.
for acting like hurt children who are slighted, and are mad & will not talk or acknowledge a friend.Neither Netanyahu nor President Obama will change my support for Israel or the Democratic Party. Both men will shortly fall out of power, & new relationships for the better will begin.Time heals most pain.
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"...a move that Mr. Obama's team has called a breach of protocol."
Precisely what was it that Mr Obama's team called Mr Obama's rewriting of provisions in the Affordable Care Act? Congress writes the law, the President executes them. In which case, the rewriting was a breach of the Constitution. Apparently that's okay, but breaching "protocol" is much, much worse.
The Constitution does not prevent Congress from meeting or speaking with foreign dignitaries; Art 2 Sec 3 Clause 4: "[the President] shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers". The meaning of this can be construed to be just about anything the reader wants, but nowhere does it prevent Congress from inviting foreigners to speak.
Perhaps if the President were interested in maintaining friendship with the only rational state in the Middle East, instead of brokering a rapprochement with a country that has been at war with the US for over 30 years to achieve a personal "legacy" - then this would not be an issue, and likely would not even have occurred.
Precisely what was it that Mr Obama's team called Mr Obama's rewriting of provisions in the Affordable Care Act? Congress writes the law, the President executes them. In which case, the rewriting was a breach of the Constitution. Apparently that's okay, but breaching "protocol" is much, much worse.
The Constitution does not prevent Congress from meeting or speaking with foreign dignitaries; Art 2 Sec 3 Clause 4: "[the President] shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers". The meaning of this can be construed to be just about anything the reader wants, but nowhere does it prevent Congress from inviting foreigners to speak.
Perhaps if the President were interested in maintaining friendship with the only rational state in the Middle East, instead of brokering a rapprochement with a country that has been at war with the US for over 30 years to achieve a personal "legacy" - then this would not be an issue, and likely would not even have occurred.
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The only way this could have happened is for Boehner, McConnell and many other key Republican operatives to be conducting secretive talks about strategies with Foreign heads of state. That is a version of sedition. The have much to gain from a right wing power structure in Israel and nothing to gain from peace. Peace is not profitable for the GOP, nor does it register in their moral-compass bearings. In modern times they have such a poor track record of working hard to support true peace.
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I couldn't imagine Amy Goodman of Pacifica Radio not characterizing Netanyahu's visit as "Democracy in Action". I think Obama is very concerned about the facts that will be shared for all of America's ears. Boehner's idea, pure genius and all of this flak is only because he is flying right over target. The whole event was stolen from the democrats Alinsky playbook.
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Mr. Netanyahu said its his obligation to do everything he can do to prevent a nuclear agreement with Iran. Now there is a war monger. Is Mr. Netanyahu going to expend Israel's resources fighting a war with the Iranian Government? If Mr. Netanyahu wants a war, I hope he fights his own war and the United States is not part of the disaster that will ensue once again in the middle east. It seems like we have have learned nothing from all the past conflicts. Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me so goes the spiritual song, lets hold hands and take heed in that message.
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Maybe he wants us to leverage our sanctions regime to deliver an agreement with teeth. The alternative to a bad deal isn't only war, it's a good deal.
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Destructive of what, precisely? A sell-out deal to Iran that will give them break-out capacity in a decade or less? The Israeli's intelligence is as good as ours, and there's little doubt that Netanyahu knows the contents of that accord as well as Obama. This is more saber rattling by the Obama Administration at the only country that it sees fit to treat fully as an enemy: Israel. Netanyahu does a service, and an excruciatingly difficult one, by braving US (read Obama) hostility to his country. But he's got no choice. A nuclear armed Iran with a teleology that calls for the destruction of Jews as a necessary pre-requisite for the Coming of the 13th Imam MUST NOT get weapons, now or even years after Obama can claim it was not on my watch. Thought the parallel is repeated ad nauseam, Obama is Chamberlain and Netanyahu Churchill. Sometimes the "pre-mature anti-fascists" are right.
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It's a little late for Israel to be lecturing the US President about what to do vis a vis Iran. The time to come would have been before we voted to go to war with Iraq. Israel could have shared their intelligence community's view of the threat that Saddam Hussein posed to the US - little to none. I have no doubt that that both parties in Congress would have been endlessly grateful to Israel for correcting any misimpressions that were created by the false intelligence presented by Colin Powell to the UN or the hyped up threats about mushroom clouds.
If only Republicans had had the foresight to invite Israel back then! Sure the White House might have been angry about Israel butting into our foreign policy decisions, but what's more important than preventing a war promoted on phony assumptions?
Interestingly, Obama was one of the few who spoke out against the Iraq war as a mistake from the get-go. But for some reason, Netanyahu seems to think that the same Republicans who championed the Iraq war and spent years lying to us about how things were going are the ones to be trusted on how to handle Iran, and not Barack Obama. Republicans, in turn, seem to think that Bibi, who has managed to alienate most of the Western world's leaders with his aggressive behavior, is the one to take advise from on how to deal diplomatically with Iran.
If only Republicans had had the foresight to invite Israel back then! Sure the White House might have been angry about Israel butting into our foreign policy decisions, but what's more important than preventing a war promoted on phony assumptions?
Interestingly, Obama was one of the few who spoke out against the Iraq war as a mistake from the get-go. But for some reason, Netanyahu seems to think that the same Republicans who championed the Iraq war and spent years lying to us about how things were going are the ones to be trusted on how to handle Iran, and not Barack Obama. Republicans, in turn, seem to think that Bibi, who has managed to alienate most of the Western world's leaders with his aggressive behavior, is the one to take advise from on how to deal diplomatically with Iran.
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How is Iran "...a major threat to the entire world..."? That is over the top and quite frankly ridiculous. The world is not trembling in Iran's wake. Boehner"s disregard for U.S. national security, is a different matter!
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Israel is concerned, since Iran will have the ability to "wipe it off the map", as it has previously expressed the desire to see. Surely you understand that, right?
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Both Americans and Israelis tend to conflate a lot of irrelevancies in Netenyahu's upcoming speech. While I dislike Netanyahu and his policies, I truly believe that he is simply fulfilling his obligation to Israel and the Jewish people to confront and not appease a fundamentalist regime conspiring publicly to annihilate the State of Israel. I don' think anyone in Israel would have issues with talks with Egypt or Saudi Arabia about nuclear attainment but Iran is a very different case, and even as a "lefty" in Israeli politics, I fear negotiations with Iran and do not trust the fact that Obama suddenly has designated Iran a trust worth partner for negotiations. Israel has too much at stake, and BB should make his case to the free world, and not just the USA.
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As a proud liberal, a feminist and a staunch supporter of gay rights, I stand with Israel.
Make no mistake: This isn't about Mr. Netanyahu and his unfortunate conservative politics. This is about the wisdom of allowing a fervent opponent of Israel -- and a documented and ongoing supporter of international terrorism -- to get a nuclear bomb.
The idea that any progressive, liberal-minded U.S. citizen who cares about basic human rights would take sides with Iran over Israel is simply sad.
Iran continues to publicly execute gay men for the crime of "perversion." The most recent hangings occurred last month. Doesn't this bother anyone?
Amnesty International ranks Iran second in the world in terms of executions, and public hangings -- by crane in the public square -- are now a daily occurrence.
Acid attacks on women in the streets are now on the rise, as religious zealots seek to combat "immodest dress." In fact, women are still struggling to regain some of the basic human freedoms that they lost when Ayatollah Khomeini took power.
As recently as 2012, the US State Dept. classified Iran as an “active state sponsor of terrorism," that provides "financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia."
Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East, and the only nation in the region that treats women and gays as human beings worthy of basic human rights. I stand with them.
Make no mistake: This isn't about Mr. Netanyahu and his unfortunate conservative politics. This is about the wisdom of allowing a fervent opponent of Israel -- and a documented and ongoing supporter of international terrorism -- to get a nuclear bomb.
The idea that any progressive, liberal-minded U.S. citizen who cares about basic human rights would take sides with Iran over Israel is simply sad.
Iran continues to publicly execute gay men for the crime of "perversion." The most recent hangings occurred last month. Doesn't this bother anyone?
Amnesty International ranks Iran second in the world in terms of executions, and public hangings -- by crane in the public square -- are now a daily occurrence.
Acid attacks on women in the streets are now on the rise, as religious zealots seek to combat "immodest dress." In fact, women are still struggling to regain some of the basic human freedoms that they lost when Ayatollah Khomeini took power.
As recently as 2012, the US State Dept. classified Iran as an “active state sponsor of terrorism," that provides "financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia."
Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East, and the only nation in the region that treats women and gays as human beings worthy of basic human rights. I stand with them.
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The only Democracy, yes for only Jews.
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Read the 5 sessions of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine. An international panel of jurists reviewed the UN`s definition of apartheid & then heard from dozens of witnesses. Their conclusion was that apartheid is s systemic part of the policies & actions of the Israeli government and has been for 7 decades.
www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/
You support the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of Palestine ?
www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/
You support the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of Palestine ?
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I lived in Israel for two decades. Your statement is not only silly... It demonstrably, flat-out false.
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Well, if the reasoning for the GOP to invite Netanyahu were not so blantantly political, it may makes some kind of sense when viewed as an opportunity of building a force for peace in the Middle East. I recall that when Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter before him, had the notion that something may be done (that did not involve more bombs and bullets) in trying to settle the on-going tradegy that is the Palistinian question, they had the good sense and grace to invite BOTH of the leaders of the respective sides to Washington. Yes, those earlier efforts did fail but it was not through lack of effort or due to naked political posturing. Pity and a shame that the US no longer seems to at least try to appear to be a beacon of peace in the world.
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Birddog, did you ever ponder why those earlier attempts failed? Each time the Palestian leader walked out. This refusal to a peaceful solution on the part of Palestinians goes back to at least November 1947 when the UN offered a two state solution which the Jews accepted (this was before the State of Israel) and the Palestinians turned down. It happened again in 1967 with the "Three 'Nos'" by the Arabs after the Six-Day war. It's happened several times since then, most recently, just a few years ago. Tragically, the Palestinians don't want a two-state solution. They want to destroy the State of Israel and have been loudly proclaiming this for decades. Just read the Middle Eastern press.
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Excuse me, Bibi, but both Mr. Boehner and you both know this a "poke in the eye" of a President who along with George H.W.Bush and Jimmy Carter had the stomach to stand up to Israel's Zionist politics among all the presidents of this country.
Boehner's invitation without the White House to another head of state to speak to Congress is a "slap in the face"; Bibi's acceptance is what "compounds the mispercetion of partisanship". Both know what is at stake here and it is more than the Iranian nuclear program - it is the visible flexing of the Israel Lobby's muscles on Capital Hill. The Israel Lobby has for some time been the strongest lobby in Washington, even stronger than the NRA or AARP with nearly 100% backing on all Israel-related issues.
So now we all know what those inside the Beltway know - our Middle East policy is managed by Israel.
Boehner's invitation without the White House to another head of state to speak to Congress is a "slap in the face"; Bibi's acceptance is what "compounds the mispercetion of partisanship". Both know what is at stake here and it is more than the Iranian nuclear program - it is the visible flexing of the Israel Lobby's muscles on Capital Hill. The Israel Lobby has for some time been the strongest lobby in Washington, even stronger than the NRA or AARP with nearly 100% backing on all Israel-related issues.
So now we all know what those inside the Beltway know - our Middle East policy is managed by Israel.
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We must approach the negotiations with Iran in a manner that advances the interests of the U.S., not those of Israel. And President Obama is doing precisely that to the dismay of Mr. Netanyahu and his fellow religious zealots. Iran is a far more useful ally to us that Israel, and we should act accordingly. The President's efforts to resist the enormous pressure from the Israeli lobby are to be congratulated.
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The agreement would eventually give Iran a bomb, while removing sanctions. The only country whose interest that deal is in is Iran.
It is not in the interest of the US to give the bomb to a country that routinely chants "Death to America".
It is in Obama's interest, though, because he is desperate for a legacy of any kind. He wants a deal for that legacy, even if it's a bad deal.
It is not in the interest of the US to give the bomb to a country that routinely chants "Death to America".
It is in Obama's interest, though, because he is desperate for a legacy of any kind. He wants a deal for that legacy, even if it's a bad deal.
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“I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say.”
-President Barack Obama, March 2012
How exactly does Iran becoming a regional nuclear power advance the interests of the U.S.?
-President Barack Obama, March 2012
How exactly does Iran becoming a regional nuclear power advance the interests of the U.S.?
Whatever Netanyahu is, he is no religious zealot, but as a politician, he sure wants Israel's religious zealots to think he is one of them.
Israel is excellent at the strategy of "isolation." Look at what they have done to their neighbors. They have made bad choices for years. This is just another one.
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Agreed .... and look what they have done to themselves.
Congress is an equal branch of government and doesn't need the President's approval to invite any speaker.
If Netanyahu shouldn't address Congress, why is it ok for the Pope to address Congress later this year?
If Netanyahu shouldn't address Congress, why is it ok for the Pope to address Congress later this year?
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The Constitution clearly states that foreign policy is the mandate of the Executive Branch.
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There is a division of powers. The executive branch has the responsibility to conduct foreign policy.
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Inviting and listening to a foreign head-of-state is NOT conducting foreign policy. It's a real stretch to interpret it as that.
What about the Pope? Is Congress conducting foreign policy with the Vatican? No one in the Obama administration would dare say anything about his visit.
What about the Pope? Is Congress conducting foreign policy with the Vatican? No one in the Obama administration would dare say anything about his visit.
Mr. Netanyahu would not have behave this way unless he, and Isreal's backers in USA, think they have more political clout than a sitting US President and Israel's interests take precedent over USA's interests. There is something odd and wrong in our relation with Israel. The Israel and its backers feel no qualms to go against our stated policies but they do not think USA has such a right. There is a dire need to bring some balance to US-Israeli relations.
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A point worth mentioning which clearly reveals Neytanyahu's ulterior motive for the Congressional address right before his own election--He has refused to debate his major opponents in the campaign. He'll travel to the US to speak to knee-jerk Republican automatons who will clap and stand ad nauseam. But he won't debate his opponents in Israel.
Case closed.
Case closed.
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Neither did he agree to meet privately with democratic leadership and other historical supporters of Israel when given the opportunity. What does that say about his agenda?
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And if Democrats decided not to flee the House and attended the speech, what would their reaction be? I guess we'll never know.
Your premise is false. Mr. Netanyahu has always been willing to debate Mr. Herzog, who is the only other person in the upcoming elections who could possibly be asked to form a government and be the next Prime Minister.
Iran is an enemy of the United States and our closest democratic ally in the Middle East, Israel. It's leaders are committed to both the destruction of Israel, not to mention they have funded terrorists for decades. The White House's "negotiations" with this enemy state are simply astounding. Here's hoping their efforts fail.
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Why does Iran have a nuclear program? Energy? Nope, plenty of oil there. Research? nope again. Should we trust them? The Netanyahu speech is necessary: No deal plus sanctions is better than a deal which will allow phasing in of nuclear capability in a country committed to regional hegemony and outsourcing of terror.
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No you should not trust Iran, but you are completely ignoring the other side of the coin. The possibility of removing sanctions is the only leverage we have. Take away the possibility that they might be removed and you guarantee Iran will go nuclear.
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Better late than never. This statement should have been made early and firmly by the administration when they knew about it. That they now have makes you wonder why they always seem to be catching up to political and nonpolitical issues and then have to double talk their way about it?
It's embarrassing to watch this fumble of international relations on Israels part and incredibly disingenuous considering the Billions of dollars we throw at them every year. Here's an idea, cut off the cash pipeline and then see how quick they are to rattle the cage for votes at home. Mr. Netanyahu is putting his own bullish political agenda ahead of, not only his own people, but the American people as well. This is wanton disregarded and desire to influence US foreign policy is both obvious and unacceptable and I can only hope this gets reflected in the election he is trying to pander to in the coming weeks.
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Bibi is making a big mistake. He has already interfered in our last Presidential election and now he wants to address Congress while we are involved in peace talks with Iran and right before elections in Israel.
Bibi, Boehner and the rest of the warmongers want all out war with Iran and they can't get it without the full backing of the United States. I don't believe the citizens of either country wants WWIII.
Bibi refuses to meet with Democrats. He says he wants to avoid the appearance of partisanship. What a joke!
He has openly disrespected our President on many occasions, openly campaigned for Romney and now he wants to address Congress, invited by Boehner.
We do not want Israeli making our foreign policy. He is here to interfere with our current talks with Iran.
This is so wrong for many reasons. Boehner was out of line to invite him without consulting with our President and Bibi was wrong to accept the invitation.
It is my belief (and fervent hope) that this scheme backfires here and in Israel.
Bibi, Boehner and the rest of the warmongers want all out war with Iran and they can't get it without the full backing of the United States. I don't believe the citizens of either country wants WWIII.
Bibi refuses to meet with Democrats. He says he wants to avoid the appearance of partisanship. What a joke!
He has openly disrespected our President on many occasions, openly campaigned for Romney and now he wants to address Congress, invited by Boehner.
We do not want Israeli making our foreign policy. He is here to interfere with our current talks with Iran.
This is so wrong for many reasons. Boehner was out of line to invite him without consulting with our President and Bibi was wrong to accept the invitation.
It is my belief (and fervent hope) that this scheme backfires here and in Israel.
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Ironically, Nentanyahu's gross mistake may backfire and strengthen our bargaining position with Iran. This is good since Bibi is expendable and means nothing to our security and Iran very much matters to us the long run.
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Mr. Netanyahu has overplayed his hand. Many American Jews are angry by his playing Republican politics with his and his Republican Ambassador's buddy the Speaker. His interference in the American political scene is nothing short of outrageous.
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Recemt disclosure of leaked documenta from Israel's intelligence agency, Mossad, show a very different assesment of Iran's nuclear program than the one presented by Bibi at his infamous UN speech a couple of years ago. Flashing a bomb cartoon purporting imminent nuclear capability is eerily reminiscent of another bold exercise in public deception carried out by the Bush administration during the buildup to the Iraq war.
Bibi and the Republicans -- a match made in heaven!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
Bibi and the Republicans -- a match made in heaven!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu...
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A war monger is only seeking the company of other war mongers. Enticement to war hinges on Iran's nuclear capability which presently is zero, according to Israel's own secret service. Whenever peace talks begin, war mongers gather to undermine the peace. We've seen it in Iraq, in Vietnam, in Korea, and now in the middle east; a country and area of the world supposedly fighting for religion. And those who profit from death see a great opportunity, even if that means sacrificing our kids and annihilating the innocents who get in their way. This is greed, power, and all the attributes of right wing politics. Sickening.
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Imagine this image of the US for a moment: Canada and Mexico are terrorist states, Venezuela wants to develop a nuclear bomb, has developed long-range missles and publicly calls for "wiping the US off the face of the earth". Such is the type of predicament facing Israel in the Middle East today. Nothing less than its very survival is at stake.
What is Obama afraid of in allowing the PM of our strongest ally in that region an opportunity to speak directly to Congress about his views on a negotiation for which Israel has no control but for whom the consequences are enormous? And why the public belittlement and condemnation of the only democratic friend we have in the region?
What is Obama afraid of in allowing the PM of our strongest ally in that region an opportunity to speak directly to Congress about his views on a negotiation for which Israel has no control but for whom the consequences are enormous? And why the public belittlement and condemnation of the only democratic friend we have in the region?
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When it suited its purposes, the Obama administration had David Cameron, a foreign leader, call Senators personally to lobby against legislation that would have strengthened sanctions against Iran. On the other hand Netanyahu's speech is impermissible meddling in the US political system by a foreign power. I guess "meddling" means conveying a message you disagree with. While I believe Bibi's speech is a tactical blunder (why alienate the leader of your most important ally?), the Obama administration's petulant response is widening an ill timed rift in a very public manner. Let Bibi speak. If his arguments are wrong, the Obama administration will have ample opportunity to make its case to the country.
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What is the President so afraid of? The Congress has a perfect right to invite whomever they please to speak. The Congress is being asked to vote on matters dealing with Israel and the Middle East. Why not hear what the Israeli Prime Minister has to say. There is nothing new in this - it happens all the time.
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Foreign-Leaders/Fast-Facts/
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Foreign-Leaders/Fast-Facts/
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What exactly is Israel doing to help the US?
American pilots are flying daily missions against ISIS, our "oldest and most trusted alley" ,recipient of billions of dollars in military aid and located next door, is not lifting a finger.
American pilots are flying daily missions against ISIS, our "oldest and most trusted alley" ,recipient of billions of dollars in military aid and located next door, is not lifting a finger.
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Easy question. Israel helps the US enormously with intelligence. Like many of the prior wars in the Middle East involving the US, Israel cannot participate directly because the Arab allies will not allow it.
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Can Netanyahu imagine, how he would feel, if Obama interfere in Israel's domestic affairs? He would be so enraged that he might bar Obama from entering Israel and appearing before Knesset!
Obama has not returned Bibi's "favour" by endorsing Isaac Herzog's candidacy. Bibi threw his support solidly behind Mitt Romney in 2012. While Shimon Peres and others hailed Obama's re-election. Bibi woke up to a shock on November 7. We will rejoice on March 17, if Herzog unseats Bibi!
Obama has not returned Bibi's "favour" by endorsing Isaac Herzog's candidacy. Bibi threw his support solidly behind Mitt Romney in 2012. While Shimon Peres and others hailed Obama's re-election. Bibi woke up to a shock on November 7. We will rejoice on March 17, if Herzog unseats Bibi!
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As spokeswoman for the Administration, Susan Rice has called a spade a spade. John Boehner, and Netanyahu should be ashamed of themselves: mixing election politics with US politics to discredit the President of the United States.
Foreign interference in the machinery of US government is outlaw--particularly meddling in ongoing and delicate negotiations between foreign states.
If Congress doesn't like the President's negotiations with Iran, they should take it up with the President and John Kerry, not invite a foreign head of state to lobby Congress when it's Congress who needs to work this out with President Obama. Like it or not, he's our duly elected president through 2016. Congress will get a chance to vote on whatever deal gets ratified.
The laws of the Constitution in the conduct of foreign policy will be followed.
In my lifetime, I have never ever witnessed the level of interference by a heads of state in an election campaign (2012) and now delicate foreign relations. Somebody should pay dearly for this, and it's not the President.
Foreign interference in the machinery of US government is outlaw--particularly meddling in ongoing and delicate negotiations between foreign states.
If Congress doesn't like the President's negotiations with Iran, they should take it up with the President and John Kerry, not invite a foreign head of state to lobby Congress when it's Congress who needs to work this out with President Obama. Like it or not, he's our duly elected president through 2016. Congress will get a chance to vote on whatever deal gets ratified.
The laws of the Constitution in the conduct of foreign policy will be followed.
In my lifetime, I have never ever witnessed the level of interference by a heads of state in an election campaign (2012) and now delicate foreign relations. Somebody should pay dearly for this, and it's not the President.
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I hope the Republican National Committee has adequate funds to pay for the level of security and hospitality expected when a foreign head of state visits the US.
The Republicans keep finding new ways to stick it to our democratically elected President. They should have been charged with subversion long ago.
The Republicans keep finding new ways to stick it to our democratically elected President. They should have been charged with subversion long ago.
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Great, just great. American tax payers may be paying for the protection of an accused war criminal in order that he can speak to the people they elected to Congress. Go figure.
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Mr. Netanyahu will embarrass a President who has no foreign policy clothes.
Today, Britain sending soldiers to the Ukraine further illustrates, the disaster that Susan Rice, John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have crafted in the middle east and relations with Russia.
Today, Britain sending soldiers to the Ukraine further illustrates, the disaster that Susan Rice, John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have crafted in the middle east and relations with Russia.
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Teapublicans have been trying hard for decades to kill support for Israel outside of their own tribe and make it exclusively a far right ideological precept. It seems they may have finally succeeded. Far right hate mongering has reached new lows. It's obvious that the Obama administration is pursuing the strategy most likely to stop Iran from manufacturing nuclear weapons, but it's apparently more important to derail this effort to show how much they hate the President of the United States. Insanity.
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Ok, now I know that it was a good move to have Netanyahu come and speak. I don't really know, or care much about this particular issue but I do know that if this administration does not like it, it must be good. And if this administration really doesn't like it then it must be really good.
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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy – John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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Wow. As if one needed a reminder of the Democratic party's spinelessness. The majority of Democrats will attend Netanyahu's speech, instead of doing the right thing and standing by the nation's president, who is also a Democrat. This sort of disrespect and flouting of partisanship by a foreign leader is the sort of thing that one would expect the president's party to eschew. But given Democrats' lack of spine (and the overall subservience of Congress to AIPAC), the majority of them will attend Netanyahu's speech.
Ironic that this happens on the heels of the pseudo-distraction about whether or not Obama loves America. Imagine the outrage by Republicans if the situations were reversed - if the leader of a country who had tense relations with a GOP White House were invited by the Democratic speaker to address Congress, wholly bypassing the executive branch. Republicans would be crying treason once they emerged from their fainting couches.
Ironic that this happens on the heels of the pseudo-distraction about whether or not Obama loves America. Imagine the outrage by Republicans if the situations were reversed - if the leader of a country who had tense relations with a GOP White House were invited by the Democratic speaker to address Congress, wholly bypassing the executive branch. Republicans would be crying treason once they emerged from their fainting couches.
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Obama seems to prefer that the United States have an elected king instead of the 3 branches of government specified by the Constitution. The Congress has every right to invite whomever it wishes. In this case they have invited a man who is dedicated to protecting his nation from an Iran which is determined to acquire nuclear weapons and is a sworn enemy of his nation.
I wish we had a leader who was equally dedicated to protecting his nation from an Iran which is determined to acquire nuclear weapons and is a sworn enemy of his nation.
I wish we had a leader who was equally dedicated to protecting his nation from an Iran which is determined to acquire nuclear weapons and is a sworn enemy of his nation.
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FYI - Israel has nuclear weapons already and has proven time and again that it will use aggression against its neighbors. Why are you so surprised that other nations in the region would seek the means with which to defend themselves if need be (and the history of Israel has shown, it probably will be needed).
I wish we had a populace who was dedicated to reading all of the facts on the table, not just cherry-picking the ones that fit their narrow scope.
I wish we had a populace who was dedicated to reading all of the facts on the table, not just cherry-picking the ones that fit their narrow scope.
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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy – John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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We do have a President who is dedicated to protecting this nation from Iran. His name is President Obama. What would you suggest the President do to protect us from Iran? Go to war? Bush tried war in the Middle East as a means of spreading "peace". I don't think that has worked out too well. Do you? How has that worked out for our soldiers? How has that worked out for Iraqis and Afghanis? How much of our taxpayer money has gone for that cause?
As for the 3 branches of government. They are quite intact. If you are referring to President Obama issuing executive orders on specific issues, he is perfectly within his legal right to do so. Bush issued far more executive orders during his presidency than Obama has. Did you complain about Bush thinking he was elected king when he issued executive orders? If anyone has overstepped the boundaries of a branch of government, it is John Boehner.
As for the 3 branches of government. They are quite intact. If you are referring to President Obama issuing executive orders on specific issues, he is perfectly within his legal right to do so. Bush issued far more executive orders during his presidency than Obama has. Did you complain about Bush thinking he was elected king when he issued executive orders? If anyone has overstepped the boundaries of a branch of government, it is John Boehner.
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This would have been a good opportunity for the President to be a grown up, but the pouting cold shoulder treatment is pathetic. Given the administration's well known weak negotiating skills, Isreal has every right to be concerned. Iran is probably laughing hard enough to wet their pants at this point.
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Richard Huber's comment says it all ! Well done
Susan Rice has lost any credibility with her lies to the people in the aftermath of Benghazi. A legitimate administration would never have placed her in a position of power. Of course a legitimate administration wouldn’t have pressed the transparent lies in the first place.
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please, how many investigations? How much taxpayer money was wasted in those witch hunts? And what did it prove? That Republicans waste time and money on partisan politics instead of doing the people's business
Quite revealing, on the type of comments the NYT picks, and the comments uprooted by the reading public, Readers Picks. It's a good debate, and thank you NYT Ombudsman. It's pretty certain that this disparity will translate into votes, as the public will is related to our Congresscritters.
On the other hand, we have Sheldon Adelson's money, directly buying politicians in both the USA and Israel. Is advocating for a hostile foreign power's interests over one's own (nominal) country sedition? Or treason?
On the other hand, we have Sheldon Adelson's money, directly buying politicians in both the USA and Israel. Is advocating for a hostile foreign power's interests over one's own (nominal) country sedition? Or treason?
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Edelson has vowed to spend more than the $120 million he spent in 2012 on the 2016 campaign. So nothing will improve until campaign financing laws are changed & lobbies are ended.
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EA,
Let's hope you can vote him out in a few weeks. But we in the US understand the difficulties of an election system that is rigged because those elected make the rules. We'd love to get rid of our extremist congressmen but money and redistricting make that very difficult. So instead we get the party of crazy, the Republicans.
Let's hope you can vote him out in a few weeks. But we in the US understand the difficulties of an election system that is rigged because those elected make the rules. We'd love to get rid of our extremist congressmen but money and redistricting make that very difficult. So instead we get the party of crazy, the Republicans.
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you mean gerrymandering
To see why Netanyahu's visit and his invitation to speak to our Congress is so destructive, let's remember the events leading up to the US attacking Iraq, partially on false intelligence given to us by the Israelis. Boehner is just an empty suit. His main purpose is to oppose and embarrass Obama in every way his power allows. I can't believe that Boehner can get away with this treacherous act of inviting a foreign leader to address Congress and publicly attack the US policy to negotiate with Iran rather than wage war. History taught us that Israel furnished no troops on the ground for the Iraq war and absorbed no financial expenditures. Netanyahu became the bully who brought two countries to a war that was unnecessary and will remain a blot on the US reputation for fairness.
The only thing gained by the Iraq war was a win by Netanyahu to instigate the war and then walk away leaving the US to bear the stripes of the war -- the loss of American lives and American dollars.
Can we trust this man to even care about America's interest in the Middle East? We cannot allow Israel to unravel US policy in that part of the world and elsewhere.
I am also distressed at Mr. Durbin for cow-towing to Netanyahu by inviting him to meet with Democrats privately. That is a strong showing of lack of patriotism and weakness, second only to Boehner's original invitation. We must never allow a foreign leader or country to dictate our foreign policy when it isn't in our best interest.
The only thing gained by the Iraq war was a win by Netanyahu to instigate the war and then walk away leaving the US to bear the stripes of the war -- the loss of American lives and American dollars.
Can we trust this man to even care about America's interest in the Middle East? We cannot allow Israel to unravel US policy in that part of the world and elsewhere.
I am also distressed at Mr. Durbin for cow-towing to Netanyahu by inviting him to meet with Democrats privately. That is a strong showing of lack of patriotism and weakness, second only to Boehner's original invitation. We must never allow a foreign leader or country to dictate our foreign policy when it isn't in our best interest.
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"let's remember the events leading up to the US attacking Iraq, partially on false intelligence given to us by the Israelis" AND voiced on the American public by the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle (aka AIPAC).
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As I see it, Republicans are handing over American foreign policy to a foreign country by inviting Mr. Netanyahu of Israel to appear before Congress. All this in an attempt to force Obama to quit negotiating with Iran. Playing politics with this issue is dangerous for Republicans. It is obvious they are a party out of control and certainly not interested in "governing" for the benefit of America.
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I may add that under the US Constitution foreign policy is in the mandate of the Executive Branch NOT the Legislative Branch. Congress is only intended to control foreign financial affairs.
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In the US, we generally pride ourselves on our open market of ideas where the merits of each is tested publicly. One would expect that on an issue as important to the US (as well as our Arab allies throughout the Middle East), hearing a diversity of views would be important. By trying to shout down Prime Minister Netanyahu rather than countering the merits of what he will say (and we don't know precisely what that may be though we have a general idea), our Administration gives every indication that it is unwilling to justify its position but would rather present an agreement as a "fait accompli" and claim, as it has suggested in the past, that anyone who is against it favors war. So opaque has this Administration been on its policy toward Iran, that we have seen a recent spate of articles trying just to understand what that policy might actually be. Surely the US public deserves better from our President.
It is self-defeating that we continue to make this all about Israel, rather than also about our Arab and Muslim allies in the immediate region, the eventually affected members of NATO (the presumed targets for Iran's growing missile arsenal) and, of course, ourselves. It won't be the first time that someone has used Israel as a distraction to avoid the real issue. Except that real issue won't go away just because we are told to look in another direction.
It is self-defeating that we continue to make this all about Israel, rather than also about our Arab and Muslim allies in the immediate region, the eventually affected members of NATO (the presumed targets for Iran's growing missile arsenal) and, of course, ourselves. It won't be the first time that someone has used Israel as a distraction to avoid the real issue. Except that real issue won't go away just because we are told to look in another direction.
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Diversity of opinion? If this is what we really want, we should invite the Iranian leaders to defend themselves against Netanyahu's fabrications in the congress. However, the forum for this discussion is not the US congress; it is the UN. I cannot care less about these people. We are Americans and are responsible for serving the needs of Americans.
I am ashamed that my congress is hijacked by a foreign country.
I am ashamed that my congress is hijacked by a foreign country.
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Opaqueness is a well established mode for Obama. We are supposed to just wait for him to announce the deal and say thank you.
Great point about being open to ideas, Charlie in NY. I await the invitation from Congressional Republicans to either the Supreme leader or President of Iran, so we can have a true diversity of views.
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Obama Adviser Calls Visit by Netanyahu ‘Destructive’
[ Use of the word "destructive" in this matter is shocking to me. I can recall no President allowing an officer to so insult Congress and the government of an ally. For an invitational address to Congress by the leader of another country to be characterized by a Presidential officer as "destructive of the fabric of the relationship" is anti-democratic and thoroughly undiplomatic. ]
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[ Use of the word "destructive" in this matter is shocking to me. I can recall no President allowing an officer to so insult Congress and the government of an ally. For an invitational address to Congress by the leader of another country to be characterized by a Presidential officer as "destructive of the fabric of the relationship" is anti-democratic and thoroughly undiplomatic. ]
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Funny thing, the rest of us can't recall a Congress inviting a foreign head of state to address Congress without clearing it with the President and the State Department first. By engineering and accepting such an unprecedented invitation, Netanyahu has turned normally bipartisan support for Israel into yet another partisan stone to be hurled back and forth across the aisle. If he cared about the long-term health of the US-Israeli relationship, Netanyahu never would have taken such a step.
How stupid does Benjamin Netanyahu think Americans, who are paying attention to this maneuver between him and Mr. Boehner, are? He states that he will not meet with the Democratic senators because he doesn't want to give in to the misrepresentation of his visit as partisan. Since he and his former GOP operative, now Ambassador from Israel to the U.S., Ron Dermer,concocted this speech without advising the Secretary of State, the President or even apropriate officials in his own government, giving a glaring example of not only partisanship, but treachery, the stated reason for not meeting Democratic senators does George Orwell proud. Mr. Netanyahu's arrogance is epic as he represents himself as the leader of Jewish people everywhere, not just in Israel, urging European citizens to flee Europe and assuming his need to set American policy straight, declaring it is his duty. Benjamin Netanyahu clearly wants war with Iran, he just wants the U.S. to do most of the dirty work for him and he has many allies in Congress actively undermining nuclear negotiations. What could possibly go wrong in an attack on Iran, it worked so well in Iraq?
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Thanks to Speaker Boehner, any hopes of clemency or a pardon for Jonathon Pollard from President Obama will have to wait another two plus years. THANKS JOHN!
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Deplorably cheap act by Netanyahu, while an obvious, seditious act by Republican John Boehner. I hope that ratings for the Netanyahu speech will be to the minus, and that there will be protestors of impressive number to greet Netanyahu on his arrival to the United States, and outside the White House during his song and dance in defiance of our President. I have no intention of watching Netanyahu's speech, can pick up later on through follow-ups.
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Looking forward to finally hearing the truth about iran
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Right, Susan, it's all Netanyahu's fault. And Bush's and Cheney's and Boehner's not to mention all those Americans who voted against Obama in the last election because they didn't get the "message" right. Apparently Obama's "phone and pen" strategy has not worked with Congress, but that's not his fault either. Blame is a game that two can play.
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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy – John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
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This is 100% about Bibby. A man who has absolutely no understanding whatsoever about the nation/hand that feeds him. It would appear that he actually believes the bombastic bigotry that spews forth from AIPEC (which does not speak for America). And sooner or later, Americans will open their eyes and tire of seeing their sons & daughters in uniform being killed or maimed in remote, sandy, ungrateful places. Already happening.
There is an opportunity here. Our support for Israel and/or her leaders is no longer monolithic and unbending. If this division can somehow be a forum for Israel's transgressions and oppression of the indigenous Palestinian people, it will be a good thing.
This could also reveal a split in Israel between the far right and the center right. All this is reason for optimism that peace and harmony are within reach.
Israel better make peace. If ISIS ever makes it to the border she will need the cooperation of the indigenous people to defend themselves.
This could also reveal a split in Israel between the far right and the center right. All this is reason for optimism that peace and harmony are within reach.
Israel better make peace. If ISIS ever makes it to the border she will need the cooperation of the indigenous people to defend themselves.
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She's absolutely correct. And some of us (particularly non-messianic Jews and other secular-thinking individuals) who acknowledge we live in the State of New York not the State of Israel, will be watching very carefully to see which of our so-called representatives understands the difference. Someone suggested O fly to Jerusalem to address the Israeli Knesset simultaneously. Wonder if he'll be invited? Split screen, dueling DHH and language translators, flags and banners from the Middle Ages. What a show, better than the Oscars for sure.
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There are three actors here who conspired to bring about this event, each for their own self-serving reasons: Boehner, who wants to stick it to Obama and ingratiate himself with the foaming-mouth far right in the U.S. (the current GOP base); Bibi, who is running for re-election and wants to consolidate his support with the foaming-mouth far right in his country (Likkud); and Ron Dermer, the current Israeli ambassador to the U.S. and former U.S. right-wing political apparatchik, who organized this whole fiasco without regard for diplomatic protocol and has demonstrated that he remains a committed right-wing partisan just as he was as a U.S. citizen learning at the foot of Frank Luntz.
Anyone who suggests that this is about Israel's survival is either seriously delusional or deliberately deceptive. This is primarily about embarrassing the current POTUS and scoring political points back in Israel ahead of the election, and secondarily about putting pressure on Obama to scale back negotiations with Iran, which they know won't happen, as he is a lame duck and doesn't care about political pressure anymore.
Anyone who suggests that this is about Israel's survival is either seriously delusional or deliberately deceptive. This is primarily about embarrassing the current POTUS and scoring political points back in Israel ahead of the election, and secondarily about putting pressure on Obama to scale back negotiations with Iran, which they know won't happen, as he is a lame duck and doesn't care about political pressure anymore.
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Good post.
No. This is about the survival of the world. The entire world. Nukes in the hands of mullahs is a dead end circumstance.
Why would anyone be surprised by Netanyahu's behavior?
He has been quite happy to humiliate the present administration to show who appears to have the power in the US-Israel relationship.
Doesn't anyone remember Vice President Biden's visit to Israel in 2010 during which Netanyahu announced the extension to illegal settlements on the West Bank. This was clearly designed to show who was boss. If the Americans are happy to let him get away with humiliating your leaders, the US public only has itself to blame.
He has been quite happy to humiliate the present administration to show who appears to have the power in the US-Israel relationship.
Doesn't anyone remember Vice President Biden's visit to Israel in 2010 during which Netanyahu announced the extension to illegal settlements on the West Bank. This was clearly designed to show who was boss. If the Americans are happy to let him get away with humiliating your leaders, the US public only has itself to blame.
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Israel:US = the tail wagging:the dog
It's time we stood up to bullying.
It's time we stood up to bullying.
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When did Israel become our 51st state?
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when did you realize this? it's been decades and sadly it's going to take herculean efforts and a president even braver than obama to finally bring this "special relationship" to an end.
wake up america!
wake up america!
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How dare Netanyahu give a speech? Especially when the future of his country is being decided behind closed doors between US and Iran, without any information given to the Israelis.
Reverse the position, imagine Iran wanted to nuke US, and threatened to do so many times as well as fund terror groups to start wars and launch rockets at US cities. Israel says they will negotiate for 'nuclear agreement' on behalf of US, w/o letting US know any details. And Israel is very very upset that a US President is coming over there to give a speech about his apprehensions.
The only thing thats destructive is Obama's increasingly disastrous foreign policy moves, from Libya to Syria to Iran/Israel.
Reverse the position, imagine Iran wanted to nuke US, and threatened to do so many times as well as fund terror groups to start wars and launch rockets at US cities. Israel says they will negotiate for 'nuclear agreement' on behalf of US, w/o letting US know any details. And Israel is very very upset that a US President is coming over there to give a speech about his apprehensions.
The only thing thats destructive is Obama's increasingly disastrous foreign policy moves, from Libya to Syria to Iran/Israel.
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U.S. and Isreali relations are already destroyed....
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Finally! And it's high time!
As an American Jew, I've come to understand that the "Occupied Territories" also include the Congress of the United States. And when I define myself as an "American Jew", the defining fact of my own sense of who I am, who my allegiance belongs to is "American". I want what's best for MY country. I'm sure the citizens of Israel want what's best for Israel. Mr. Netanyahu? I think he wants what Mr. Netanyahu wants.
As an American Jew, I've come to understand that the "Occupied Territories" also include the Congress of the United States. And when I define myself as an "American Jew", the defining fact of my own sense of who I am, who my allegiance belongs to is "American". I want what's best for MY country. I'm sure the citizens of Israel want what's best for Israel. Mr. Netanyahu? I think he wants what Mr. Netanyahu wants.
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Perhaps sending the Israeli Ambassador home would be an appropriate action in addition to investigating how much Chinese money from Macau is going into the booty of AIPAC and GOP.
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Congress (led by Boehner) is turning over the US foreign policy to Netanyahu!
Israel(because of Netanyahu) has stopped being an ally or a friend of the US. They decide to do what is best for them and to hell with the US and global criticism.
The West will never contain or defeat the jihadists (IS, Al-Qaida,Boko Haram, El Shabab, the Taliban), for as long as the Israel Palestine issue festers, the Sunni and the Shia are at each other's throast and preparations are made by Israel to attack Iran.
Israel(because of Netanyahu) has stopped being an ally or a friend of the US. They decide to do what is best for them and to hell with the US and global criticism.
The West will never contain or defeat the jihadists (IS, Al-Qaida,Boko Haram, El Shabab, the Taliban), for as long as the Israel Palestine issue festers, the Sunni and the Shia are at each other's throast and preparations are made by Israel to attack Iran.
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Bibi is destructive. His way is the way to tragedy, not only for Israel but for all involved.
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The word "destructive" used by Susan Rice is wildly insulting to members of Congress and to the Israeli government. Congress can surely invite the leader of any country to address the body and any leader can accept such an invitation without the need for a threat from the office of the President.
I find the words of Ms. Rice impossibly intemperate.
I find the words of Ms. Rice impossibly intemperate.
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Ms Rice's language is (finally) appropriate ..... much better than the usual "unhelpful" response to Israeli illegal activity.
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I agree
This visit is actually shameful for our democracy.
This visit is actually shameful for our democracy.
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Perhaps you are unaware of protocol and do not realize, as stated in the article that this will be the first time that a Prime Minister has entered into an agreement with one U.S. party to address our Congress without consulting first, with our President and Secretary of State, and second, with the other party. Secondly, it is diplomatic protocol that we do not invite leaders of other countries just before said leaders are having an election within their own country - i.e., a means of being objective towards the political processes in other countries. Therefore, Ms. Rice usage of the word "destructive" was factually correct. Prime Minister Netanyahu, in entering into an agreement with the Majority Leader, instead of adhering to previous diplomatic channels, will be destroying previously bipartisan procedures that have occurred since Israel became a country.
My question to you and others who agree with this new practice would be that if indeed Israel is our closest ally, how is it possible for its Prime Minister to address our Congress without first informing our President and our Secretary of State?
My question to you and others who agree with this new practice would be that if indeed Israel is our closest ally, how is it possible for its Prime Minister to address our Congress without first informing our President and our Secretary of State?
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OK--I get it--Bibi Netanyahu is never going to win the Mr. Congeniality award. But what is all the Bibi bashing accomplishing?? Absolutely nothing!!! Even if Bibi Netanyahu is defeated next month will the next Israeli Prime Minister be greeted at the White House by Obama with open arms? Probably not. The Cold War between the US and Israel will continue unabated until Obama leaves the Presidency in 2017. I wish Francis Underwood was President of the United States now.
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Prime Minister Netanyahu already knows how disrespectful the latest defiance is to the White House – just like coming to the White House and disagreeing with President Obama to the cameras, or going on American TV shows in praise of Romney, or greeting Joe Biden with settlement development in Israel. But he doesn’t feel negative consequences for his intransigence, so it continues. And his audience in the Congress explains why.
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Congress- bought and owned by the Israel lobby. 'nuff said.
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Bibi is Israel's George W and the sooner they get rid of him the better!!
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Bravo! Finally the Administration stands up against the Israeli Prime Minister!
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Why is the New York Times not reporting that Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim is contradicted by Mossad ? The Guardian newspaper of London reported this important fact a couple of days ago. This man is dangerous to all.
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Netanyahu is "destructive" of US-Israel relations in a good way he does not intend. What's "destructive" is showing lots of Americans how totally bought by the Israel Lobby most of "our" senators and representatives are. Maybe Americans will finally figure out the unimpeachable wisdom, as usual, of George Washington's warning in his Farewell Address to America NEVER to allow itself to become so entangled in the affairs of another nation--ANY other nation--that the interests of that nation come in any way to supersede exclusive focus on what's best for America alone. The idea that the interests and goals of Likud Israel should be identical with those of America is preposterous. Naturally, Israel and its Lobby in DC want to buy control of our Senate, House, and White House with bribes, to guarantee that our government become nothing but a puppet of Israel, so that Israel can order up an American proxy war to "protect" Israel, not us, from Iraq, Iran, you name it. That would be great for a tiny country like Israel facing much, much larger hostile powers all around it. But it would be, and has been, absolutely disastrous for America. The neocon Iraq war was a complete disaster, which keeps on giving, to us and the world, with it's creation of ISIS. Can you imagine the "IS" that would emerge from a shattered Iran if America actually did Israel's will there, too, and created a chaos there with "regime change" as in Iraq? Iran is over THREE times as populous as Iraq. Want jihadis?
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But Netayahu`s party (the Likud) got almost 650,000 votes in the 2013 Israeli election (the combined Likud+Beiteinu party received 832,099 votes or 23.25% of the total votes & a disproportionate 33 seats of the 120 seats available).
So he has broad support (ie. among some Israelis). What he really has is the US Congress in his pocket as the Israel Lobby is able to game the US election campaign funding system & thereby control Congress.
The NYT`s quoted Congressmen Brian Baird “The difficult reality is this: in order to get elected to Congress..you have to raise a lot of money & you learn pretty quickly that if AIPAC is on your side you can do that.” & John Yarmuth on upholding the interests of the US “We all took an oath of office & AIPAC in many instances, is asking us to ignore it”
It was NOT the American people who voted to donate $4 billion/yr to Israel (the total is now $120 billion ) or to create a special US tax loophole (~$2 billion/yr) for gifts to Israeli "charities" that build illegal settlements on Palestinian land. It was the AIPAC controlled Congress.
So he has broad support (ie. among some Israelis). What he really has is the US Congress in his pocket as the Israel Lobby is able to game the US election campaign funding system & thereby control Congress.
The NYT`s quoted Congressmen Brian Baird “The difficult reality is this: in order to get elected to Congress..you have to raise a lot of money & you learn pretty quickly that if AIPAC is on your side you can do that.” & John Yarmuth on upholding the interests of the US “We all took an oath of office & AIPAC in many instances, is asking us to ignore it”
It was NOT the American people who voted to donate $4 billion/yr to Israel (the total is now $120 billion ) or to create a special US tax loophole (~$2 billion/yr) for gifts to Israeli "charities" that build illegal settlements on Palestinian land. It was the AIPAC controlled Congress.
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“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!"
You speak of freedom of speech and foreign diplomacy, in vain efforts to cover your thinly veiled disdain for the President.
If the Democrats invited a foreign Prime Minister to criticize a Republican President in Congress you would tear off your clothes in deep distress.
Hypocrites, you divide the country with your hatred.
You speak of freedom of speech and foreign diplomacy, in vain efforts to cover your thinly veiled disdain for the President.
If the Democrats invited a foreign Prime Minister to criticize a Republican President in Congress you would tear off your clothes in deep distress.
Hypocrites, you divide the country with your hatred.
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My disdain for the president is not in the least bit veiled, I have no respect for this president nor his administration that in the foreign policy space has been an utter and complete disaster. He has been even worse in domestic policy. The country will take a decade at least to repair the damage he has done.
If Mr. Netanyahu goes ahead with his speech , he will have done more harm to his country than Iran could ever create. As an American of Jewish background, I am appalled by his behavior. Hopefully, the Israeli electorate will feel the same way.
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I hope the American electorate remember the republicans and their constant and goofy efforts to embarass our president.
What is the harm and why the fear? One more voice is all.
Read Haaretz and you will see that if the Israeli election was held today, it would be a photo finish. Sadly, many Israelis believe Nuttyyahu's hype.
First: Israel ambassador to USA who with John Boehner engineered Netanyahu invitation should be declared "Persona non grata" and expelled from USA for meddling in internal and foreign policy of USA what is behavior incompatible wit his diplomatic status.
Second: Being not officially invited to USA, Netanyahu visit should be considered as private visit of private foreign person to USA (or private american citizen) and Netanyahu should be treated as such. All diplomatic privileges and protection should be void and Israel government should be informed in advance of his visit about status granted to his visit.
Second: Being not officially invited to USA, Netanyahu visit should be considered as private visit of private foreign person to USA (or private american citizen) and Netanyahu should be treated as such. All diplomatic privileges and protection should be void and Israel government should be informed in advance of his visit about status granted to his visit.
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Netanyahu apparently thinks he has the right to use our military any way he wants. He apparently thinks he can bypass the White House to seek a declaration of war from Congress. He apparently thinks that he can use the Republican Party and Christian Zionists as pawns in his global game of power. He apparently thinks that the majority of Americans and the majority of Jews in this country who vote Democratic are enemies of his state. He apparently hates our president and the majority of voters who elected him. At this point, the feeling is mutual.
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Netanyahu was not invited to participate in the march inParis after the Charlie Hebdo shooting. He just turned up and inserted himself in the front row, waving to the crowd as though it were a victory parade rather than a solemn display of unity. Later he turned up, also uninvited, at a Paris synagogue and tried to politicise a service by inviting the congregation to migrate to Israel. Attended responded by singing La Marsellaise. His proposed appearance before Congress is but another example of his propensity for opportunistic showboating. The more representatives who stay away the better. He needs to learn that he is not the President of the United States and that the United States is not a vassal state of Israel.
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I remind my fellow readers that then Senator Obama was welcomed with open arms by Prime Minister Netanyahu on his July 2008 visit to Israel - only weeks before winning the US Presidency (see NYTimes July 24, 2008 - Obama Meets with Israeli and Palestinian Leaders). You judge the then Senator's motivation for that visit. For me, I simply wish that our President would find a way to speak clearly with the American people. Is it about politics and influencing elections or a fundamental disagreement with Israel on how to deal with Iran.
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In my world July is not "weeks" before November, it is almost 4 months, an eternity in politics.
Obama doesn't want Netanyahu to speak because he will very likely say something that is politically damaging to Obama. Why have we lost the ability to admit this simple truth? Are there any journalists in this country?
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We all know what Bibi will say and it will not be damaging to Obama except in the eyes of republicans who put their political agenda ahead of the good of the country.
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Bibi dislikes the way we do thing so much he feels the need to lecture but he continues to feed from the American tax payer trough. What a hypocrite.
Hint: we don't need lecturing.
Hint: we don't need lecturing.
BiBi's destructive to Israel, Palestine and everything else. Name one ally besides US Republican war mongers? Just vote him out already!
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American democracy is rapidly becoming a laughingstock around the world. Congress has been bought by the lobbyists at the expense of the people. Congress plays a role in foreign policy unintended by the Constitution. Congress applauds a foreign leader and consistently fails to support the President.
The once "leader of the free world" has become an example of what to avoid.
The once "leader of the free world" has become an example of what to avoid.
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If the Obama Administration imagines this Netanyahu visit to be destructive in any way, just wait until they get a load of an Iranian (..it wasn't ours...) nuke.
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Congress wouldn’t have needed to arrange the meeting with Netanyahu if President Obama was doing his job. He supposedly can’t find the time to meet with our closest ally in the war against terrorists but can find the time to attend a three day meeting discussing what name to call radical Islamic terrorists.
We need a president who is more concerned with the safety of all Americans instead of behaving like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum because he didn’t get his way.
We need a president who is more concerned with the safety of all Americans instead of behaving like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum because he didn’t get his way.
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Netanyahu is a right wing warmonger who is more interested in reelection than in the good of Israel. His gross breach of diplomatic protocol is appalling to most Americans who love their country.
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or go to a funeral of an Arab despot, a country that whipped a human rights blogger and will now behead an atheist citizen for the crime of 'apostasy'. These are Obama's friends. Yet Netanyahu coming here is 'destructive'. This administration is a disaster.
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Hard to understand how we treat the Prime Minister of Israel, our closest ally and democratic leader in the Middle East, worse than the Arab despots and dictators that surround him, who tolerate terrorism, honor killings, misogyny, and in general a destructive contribution to the world at large. It is a disgrace and affront to every Jew who have wholeheartedly supported this nation. We are not in Kansas anymore.
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Why should Netanyahu be allowed to use the US Capitol as a backdrop for a campaign speech?
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I agree completely. And it becomes easier to understand when you consider that the Obama administration has been the most anti-Israeli American administration since the founding of the Israeli state.
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Ira, has Obama ever been asked to address the Knesset? Has any President given that honor? Thought so. Time for Bibi to step aside. We have been supporitng Israel for decades, look up how much of our tax payer money goes to support our supposed closest ally in the Middle East. He builds illegal settlements, our ammo and weapons enough is enough. Bibi never should have been asked to speak.
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Decades in future, assuming another progressive foreign policy administration is elected, a big if given the Bush/Clinton ticket facing us in 2016, Obama's legacy will be the projection of US influence in the world w/o the immediate threat of US military destruction of those who oppose us.
The First US President since Carter not to whole scale kill large groups of indigent peoples, although one could argue the drone attacks but for sake of argument lets give him the benefit of doubt for this exercise.
This is what the Cheney(s), Netanyahu(s), McCain(s), and the rest of the hawks and right wing clown car cant get over. That someone or a group can use their brains over brawn to bring forth substantive change in the world.
Sure they're scream Chamberlain and appeasement and maybe they're right, but we owe it to ourselves and our children to try and stop the cycle of violence that will only continue to deprive us of our liberty and freedoms, all in the name of expediency and extremism, is this not what were fighting? Are we becoming what we are trying to destroy? Terrorists?
Ultimately neo-cons fear is loss of control of the MDC and the trillions of dollars that it represents, w/o an enemy it will almost impossible to continue the justification relentless dollars. Its all about Corporate Welfare babies and they're bottom lines because there is profit in killing your enemies, perceived or otherwise.
The First US President since Carter not to whole scale kill large groups of indigent peoples, although one could argue the drone attacks but for sake of argument lets give him the benefit of doubt for this exercise.
This is what the Cheney(s), Netanyahu(s), McCain(s), and the rest of the hawks and right wing clown car cant get over. That someone or a group can use their brains over brawn to bring forth substantive change in the world.
Sure they're scream Chamberlain and appeasement and maybe they're right, but we owe it to ourselves and our children to try and stop the cycle of violence that will only continue to deprive us of our liberty and freedoms, all in the name of expediency and extremism, is this not what were fighting? Are we becoming what we are trying to destroy? Terrorists?
Ultimately neo-cons fear is loss of control of the MDC and the trillions of dollars that it represents, w/o an enemy it will almost impossible to continue the justification relentless dollars. Its all about Corporate Welfare babies and they're bottom lines because there is profit in killing your enemies, perceived or otherwise.
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Nobody seems willing to say what so many Americans really think, so I'll say it: The USA needs to get out of Israel. Enough already!
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Why get out of Israel?
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The Israeli Prime Minister wants us to go to war with Iran; he has every right to to say that, or anything he believes in his country's interest; What he does not have is a right to intervene in our politics and that's what he is doing by concocting with the Speaker an obviously partisan invitation meant to give Republicans advantage in the contest for the Jewish vote in 2016. The question for the Prime Minister is why do think your re-election is more important than Israel's interest, now and especially in future, with a solid relationship with both American political parties, which has been the basis of alliance since the founding of Israel?
The Speaker does have the right to invite the Israeli PM. The first question for the Speaker ought to be "why are you interfering in Israeli politics with an election there days away?" By making the Republicans a formal ally of the Likud party (which has nowhere near a majority in Israel's multi-party system) instead of the nation of Israel, the Speaker and Netanyahu are undermining the long term health of the relationship.
The other question for the Speaker. Why war with Iran now, when we are already at war with ISIL, engaged in shoring up NATO (GIs in Estonia is not an idle gesture) and trying to restore a stable balance of power in Asia to help persuade China to stop pushing its neighbors around? Isn't this a moment to keep our head clear and our powder dry?
The Speaker does have the right to invite the Israeli PM. The first question for the Speaker ought to be "why are you interfering in Israeli politics with an election there days away?" By making the Republicans a formal ally of the Likud party (which has nowhere near a majority in Israel's multi-party system) instead of the nation of Israel, the Speaker and Netanyahu are undermining the long term health of the relationship.
The other question for the Speaker. Why war with Iran now, when we are already at war with ISIL, engaged in shoring up NATO (GIs in Estonia is not an idle gesture) and trying to restore a stable balance of power in Asia to help persuade China to stop pushing its neighbors around? Isn't this a moment to keep our head clear and our powder dry?
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No mention of the fact that many of Netanyahu assertions re: Iran's nuclear capabilities are disputed by his own intelligence service massad. He should be given the George W Bush award for fact twisting intelligence. He wants America to wage another senseless war that will do noone any good. The repubs never saw a war they didn't want to start or a war they could win.
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When you "invite" the bellicose leader of a foreign government to give cover to the notion that our country should eschew the opportunity for a verifiable treaty between nations, and instead, embrace the disastrous path toward all-out war, you have committed treason.
We've been dancing around this spectacle for over six years now: the failure to support our homeowners and our unemployed, the failure to provide job opportunities through infrastructure improvements that could be, literally, financed for practically nothing.
We've been living in directionless fog, awaiting a Republican party to get over itself and its losses and get on with the task of making America strong, free, and prosperous for all of its citizens.
Instead, we get this. It's simply treason.
We've been dancing around this spectacle for over six years now: the failure to support our homeowners and our unemployed, the failure to provide job opportunities through infrastructure improvements that could be, literally, financed for practically nothing.
We've been living in directionless fog, awaiting a Republican party to get over itself and its losses and get on with the task of making America strong, free, and prosperous for all of its citizens.
Instead, we get this. It's simply treason.
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1. It's verifiability is very much in dispute.
2. All-out war is only one outcome. (Of course if you ignore the UN mandates for the negotiations in the first place which called for prevention of Iran getting nukes, then a war will come soon enough.)
3. Blame Harry Reid, not the Republicans. Besides, this is off track.
4. Look up "treason" in the dictionary.
2. All-out war is only one outcome. (Of course if you ignore the UN mandates for the negotiations in the first place which called for prevention of Iran getting nukes, then a war will come soon enough.)
3. Blame Harry Reid, not the Republicans. Besides, this is off track.
4. Look up "treason" in the dictionary.
Benjamin Netanyahu is giving second thoughts to many of us who have supported Israel for decades. There is something very sleazy about his maneuvers and he has done great damage to his country. Down the coming years I think that the Israels will find that they have seriously offended their only real ally. They will have to ask themselves if it has been worth it.
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Out here in frozen Ohio over my coffee and the Times, reading about Susan Rice on 'Charlie Rose', I'm freshly flabbergasted at the vitriol and loathing for Israel, and the ignorance about government and civics in general, as I read the ragged comments on this article.
Congress of course has every right to invite Netanyahu, and the prime minister naturally has every right to attend. Imagine these same voices responding to Churchill's appearance before a joint session of Congress, and the resulting arrangement of alliance and Lend/Lease. Imagine FDR -- in the loop or outside it in the overall invitation, chummy or no with Winston -- behaving like Obama.
All leaders good or bad are always politicians. Their actions through and through are politically charged, and no doubt most so when events are hardest. That is how all of this works.
Congress of course has every right to invite Netanyahu, and the prime minister naturally has every right to attend. Imagine these same voices responding to Churchill's appearance before a joint session of Congress, and the resulting arrangement of alliance and Lend/Lease. Imagine FDR -- in the loop or outside it in the overall invitation, chummy or no with Winston -- behaving like Obama.
All leaders good or bad are always politicians. Their actions through and through are politically charged, and no doubt most so when events are hardest. That is how all of this works.
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Churchill wasn't coming to congress to undermine American foreign policy and interests. Netanyahu is.
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Except that it wasn't "Congress" that invited Bibi--it was just the Republicans. And 2 weeks before the Israeli elections.
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Bibi did this as a head of state, without letting the host country's head of state know. To compound matters, the invitation came from the opposition party. That is a clear breach of diplomatic protocol.
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Its strange that Speaker Boehner thought that inviting PM Netanyahu would enhance Jewish support of Republicans. Certainly ego maniac Likud supporters like Las Vegas fat cat Abelson aside. Abelson it seems wants to take ownership of a Likud Republican fusion. Besides the ongoing oppression of the Palestinians, which Netanyahu seems to see as a public virtue, the US has little use of a foreign leader who goes to Washington to under cut important negotiations with the Iranians and use the visit as a political platform for reelection.
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This incident over a breach of protocol is so petty and insignificant.
The US needs oil and stability in the Middle East. It needs to detach itself from Saudi Arabia, whose Wahabbism is fueling ISIS and other Sunni terrorists. Iran can help achieve these objectives, Israel can't. It's in the best interest of the US to restore relations with Iran. Of course, Iran's power and influence in the Middle East will rise, which is against Israel's interests.
Netanyahu is the leader of Israel, not the US. If he feels it necessary to insult President Obama to promote Israel's interests, so be it. A new president will be in office in less than two years, and this incident will have blown over. Iran will be a threat to Israel for a lot longer.
The US needs oil and stability in the Middle East. It needs to detach itself from Saudi Arabia, whose Wahabbism is fueling ISIS and other Sunni terrorists. Iran can help achieve these objectives, Israel can't. It's in the best interest of the US to restore relations with Iran. Of course, Iran's power and influence in the Middle East will rise, which is against Israel's interests.
Netanyahu is the leader of Israel, not the US. If he feels it necessary to insult President Obama to promote Israel's interests, so be it. A new president will be in office in less than two years, and this incident will have blown over. Iran will be a threat to Israel for a lot longer.
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Reading these comments makes me disagree that this will "blow over" in a couple of years. What I sense is a drumbeat of ever increasing frustration with Israel and erosion of support. Bibi is willing to squander the goodwill of a large segment of the US population for his own political benefit.
"A new president will be in office in less than two years..."
Yup, that's what supporters of the Israeli right are counting on -- that Obama is a lame duck, and then a new administration will have to kowtow to Israel. However, Netanyahu's actions cumulatively, are a game-changer: American politicians are coming to see that the electorate will support them if they challenge Israeli policy.
Yup, that's what supporters of the Israeli right are counting on -- that Obama is a lame duck, and then a new administration will have to kowtow to Israel. However, Netanyahu's actions cumulatively, are a game-changer: American politicians are coming to see that the electorate will support them if they challenge Israeli policy.
Thank you, Gort. But Israel is not alone in being worried about a nuclear armed Iran. I predict: the next Congressional guest speaker will be the new leader of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have no desire for nuclear weapons at present, but if President Obama's "deal" permits Tehran to build a bomb sometime in the future, the Saudis will be forced to get (probably buy) its own nuclear arsenal as well. But will any of these regimes worry about pesky details such as maintaining proper command and control? A cynic might argue that Obama is making this idiotic deal with Iran so that the U.S. can turn around and sell the same type of nuclear arsenal that Israel possesses to the Saudis. Initial purchase price, installation, plus command and control services for the next 50 years could add up to a tidy sum. ... Klaatu barada nikto!
Can you imagine the howling if any other foreign leader tried to make an end run around the sitting head of state and appeal their case directly before our Congress?
The American tradition is that politics end at the water's edge (the border) and that we present a unified front to the world in matters of foreign relations. The current crop of Republicans seem to have placed political interests above American interests and tradition and the same is true of the Likudniks- headed by Mr Netanyahu.
President Obama should deny his plane landing rights and force them to turn away.
The American tradition is that politics end at the water's edge (the border) and that we present a unified front to the world in matters of foreign relations. The current crop of Republicans seem to have placed political interests above American interests and tradition and the same is true of the Likudniks- headed by Mr Netanyahu.
President Obama should deny his plane landing rights and force them to turn away.
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this is about a speech. maybe an inopportune moment, but still about a speech. Free speech. Inadvertently, mr boehner and his republicans, the people who are always trying to suppress free speech with endless inane talking points and The Fix at election time, are actually offering someone with something to say, a moment of free speech.
How many Americans would like such a moment? Let him speak.
How many Americans would like such a moment? Let him speak.
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No one is saying he shouldn't speak, although we all know what he will say. The issue is whether he should be allowed to use the US Capitol as a backdrop for a campaign speech.
David, he has an invite, so he is allowed to speak. The issue is what is the issue? What is the big deal?
Not following protocol? No
Insulting Obama? No
But perhaps:
Knee-jerk, vicious partisan defense of a Democrat president.
Progressive white guilt.
Anti-Semitism.
Pro-Palestinian sentiment.
Isolationist tendencies.
Not following protocol? No
Insulting Obama? No
But perhaps:
Knee-jerk, vicious partisan defense of a Democrat president.
Progressive white guilt.
Anti-Semitism.
Pro-Palestinian sentiment.
Isolationist tendencies.
President Obama sent David Cameron (Prime Minister - Great Britian) to lobby Congress directly to support Obama's deal with iran. So, it does not appear that the President has objections to foreign leaders directly addressing and lobbying Congress. The President objects to Netanyahu's message. While the President has every right not to send anyone who would hear a message that the President does not agree with, it should be clear what is happening. The President wants a deal with Iran, seemingly at any cost. There may be reasons why it makes sense to keep nuclear weapons out of Iran's hands. The President should respect the fact that Congress has the right to hear dissenting views. Especially when those views come from the only counry in the region with democratically elected officials and the country most likely to be incinerated by the Iranians.
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We should send Dennis Rodman over, in return.
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Mr. Boehner should remember that even if he thinks President Obama is a Bubba, he is our Bubba. No outsiders allowed into the ring.
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He must be stone deaf to the consternation his machinations are causing. We already know that Speaker Boehner is stone deaf, and intent only on embarrassing the President. For Netanyahu to be a party to that is shameful. No wonder Ms. Rice used the phrase "destructive."