And to help emphasize Gulen's point, the day after this opinion piece appears, the Turkish govt. revokes his passport. Merely coincidental, I am sure.
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The content of the article is a hundred percent true. It does not matter who the author is. The change in Erdogan and the AKP government after 17/25 December 2013 corruption investigations is unbeliaveble.
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Clear picture of what has been going on in Turkey recently.
It is a pity that many commenters here commented according to their prejudice to author, disregarding what was written in this article.
It is a pity that many commenters here commented according to their prejudice to author, disregarding what was written in this article.
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Erdogan deceived everyone. He decieved the liberals, muslims and gulenists. He promised democracy and anti-corruption measurements. However, he has done the reverse. Democracy has been eroding. Police officers who investigate corruption are banished. No one can touch corrupt politicians now. Gulen is right. He and his followers have rightfully withdraw support from a deception party.
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An eye opening summary of the scary situation in Turkey. We are witnessing birth of an autocratic leader who ignores basic rule of law and human rights in order to shift the focus from wide spread corruption at the top level government representatives and their relatives.
Throughout Islamic history independent scholars have upheld Islamic values despite the pressures of despot rulers of their times. Fethullah Gulen is the living example of a great Islamic scholar, standing up against clamp down of freedoms, moral and democratic values.
Throughout Islamic history independent scholars have upheld Islamic values despite the pressures of despot rulers of their times. Fethullah Gulen is the living example of a great Islamic scholar, standing up against clamp down of freedoms, moral and democratic values.
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Today Turkey's position has come to a very bad point. two years ago we were talking about when to join Europe Union, but today we are talking about the bad position of democracy in Turkey. We all hope this will not take long, and immediately wake up of this bad dream..
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Erdogan's unhealthy obsession with Hizmet goes back to his style of politics. Every time he faces a crisis Erdogan intentionally ups the ante and fuels polarization to consolidate his own supporters giving the impression he is the "underdog fighting the system" which of course is untrue as over 13 years of government, he is the system personified. Recall Erdogan on the Gezi park protests of last year. He said it was the international interest lobby trying to topple him and crushed the protests on that pretext. He is doing the same thing since the corruption investigations of last year claiming it is the doing of "a coalition of foreign powers" and their "domestic pawns" as a pretext to crush criticism and close the country down.
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It is very fortunate for Turkey to have such a proactive civil movement which is inspired and triggered by globally accepted ethical principles and standards. I hope it will gradually be accepted by wider communities around the world.
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I support Mr. Gulen's opinion, because during his life he always want a democracy and supported democratic leaders in Turkey. One of them was Erdogan. But Erdogan changed a lot since 2007. Mr. Gulen as always want a democracy. Now there is no democracy in Turkey. Erdogan declares all people who do not support his ideas as traitors. And the press is not free in Turkey. Generel Manager of Samanyolu Tv Hidayet Karaca, one of the biggest TV chanel and biggest newspaper (Zaman) General Manager Ekrem Dumanlı were arrested because they don't agree with his regime.
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The day this article appeared in the New York Times, President Erdogan's government made yet another move against Bank Asya, taking over its management on the basis of a technicality that does not allow for such a measure both in law or logic. Now, one of Turkey's largest private Banks has had its management seized in an attempt to cause a mass exodus of funds by the depositors to force a bankruptcy and then an actual takeover of the Bank by forced nationalisation.
And all of this because the Bank was founded by Hizmet inspired people and businesses and because Hizmet remains independent of Erdogan's government and has the audacity to criticise him and his policies. Remaining independent of Erdogan's government is enough to land you in trouble; recall the Twitter and YouTube bans in Turkey!
And all of this because the Bank was founded by Hizmet inspired people and businesses and because Hizmet remains independent of Erdogan's government and has the audacity to criticise him and his policies. Remaining independent of Erdogan's government is enough to land you in trouble; recall the Twitter and YouTube bans in Turkey!
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What a pity! they are leading country totalitarianism for the sake of winning elections.
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Sadly what Respectable Fethullah Gulen writes reflects the situation in Turkey. He missed one important point though. Several of his followers collaborated with AKP organizing trumped-up charges against so many innocent people keeping them in prison for years. So the path to dictatorship was paved with their help. They have to show repentance rather than claiming total innocence.
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It is one of the most important article writen recently about Turkey. Unfortunately, since the most media power is controlled by Erdogan except Zaman and a couple of more media, Turkish people are not able to hear truths about corruptions, freedom of media, democracy, separation of power. Turkey is aliniated more and more every day in global world. I would like to many thanks Mr. Fethullah Gulen who inspired millions to make investment in education, to show tolerance eveyones' belief and to try to make peaceful environment for the benefits of not only Turkish people but all humanity all around the world. I realy would like everybody to read this article...
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The regime of Erdogan is not a departure from Muslim principles. It is the secular democratic state created by Kamel Ataturk that represents a departure from fourteen centuries of Muslim jurisprudence. The Islamists are Muslim fundamentalists, not extremist misinterpreters and distorters of Islam. It is not the "religion of peace." It is the religion of submission. That's what the word means. Islam means "submission", i.e., submission to the word of Allah was given in the Qur'an and the hadith.
“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle. But when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.” - Louis Veuillot
In other words, it’s the old Leninist credo: demand freedom, toleration, and diversity when out of power; practice suppression, control, and elimination of opponents when in power. These words could just as easily come form the mouth of Muhammad, as he practice the former in Mecca when he was weak, and the latter later in Medina and subsequently when Islam became strong. I don't see any evidence that the same strategy is not being applied now.
“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle. But when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.” - Louis Veuillot
In other words, it’s the old Leninist credo: demand freedom, toleration, and diversity when out of power; practice suppression, control, and elimination of opponents when in power. These words could just as easily come form the mouth of Muhammad, as he practice the former in Mecca when he was weak, and the latter later in Medina and subsequently when Islam became strong. I don't see any evidence that the same strategy is not being applied now.
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"The core tenets of a functioning democracy — the rule of law, respect for individual freedoms — are also the most basic of Islamic values bestowed upon us by God."
This is utter apologist nonsense and dissimulation. Here the "rule of law" refers only to Sharia. The only recognized basis for jurisprudence is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the prophet, that is, his habits of action and sayings as recorded in the hadith. And, 'respect for individual freedom" is only extended to Muslims, not dhimmi - Jews and Christians (let alone pagans), and to Muslims only insofar as such freedom conforms to the imperatives set forth in the Qur'an and Sunnah.
This is utter apologist nonsense and dissimulation. Here the "rule of law" refers only to Sharia. The only recognized basis for jurisprudence is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the prophet, that is, his habits of action and sayings as recorded in the hadith. And, 'respect for individual freedom" is only extended to Muslims, not dhimmi - Jews and Christians (let alone pagans), and to Muslims only insofar as such freedom conforms to the imperatives set forth in the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Couple things:
1. I don't expect this government or AKP to do u turn from the direction they are going since there is no other way to cover their corruption.
2. They are coming closer to their end since Turkey still has a democracy although it has still many problems in its constitution.
3. Majority of the people in Turkey are almost illiterate and they are the ones affecting the votes, thus AKP's survival. All the negative changes in the legislation will eventually affect the budget of an ordinary people which will change the voting picture after the elections.
4. All the legislative changes that they are bringing to the parliament to cover all their corruption will eventually trap the AKP and their followers.
5. Unfortunately, Hizmet movement is the only sunni group in the WORLD that is very unique in many ways: No outside financial resources, no political support from any group or country. No bowing to AKP.
6. Just seeing that the Hizmet is the target of those people is a satisfactory proof that Hizmet is on the right side.
1. I don't expect this government or AKP to do u turn from the direction they are going since there is no other way to cover their corruption.
2. They are coming closer to their end since Turkey still has a democracy although it has still many problems in its constitution.
3. Majority of the people in Turkey are almost illiterate and they are the ones affecting the votes, thus AKP's survival. All the negative changes in the legislation will eventually affect the budget of an ordinary people which will change the voting picture after the elections.
4. All the legislative changes that they are bringing to the parliament to cover all their corruption will eventually trap the AKP and their followers.
5. Unfortunately, Hizmet movement is the only sunni group in the WORLD that is very unique in many ways: No outside financial resources, no political support from any group or country. No bowing to AKP.
6. Just seeing that the Hizmet is the target of those people is a satisfactory proof that Hizmet is on the right side.
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Here is a link to a New York Times piece by Dan Bilefsy and Sebnem Arsu detailing the imprisonment of two famous journalists Ahmet Sik and Nedim Sener by Gulen's fanatics merely for writing a book critical of him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/world/europe/turkeys-glow-dims-as-gove...
It must be understood by everyone that Gulen critisize Erdogan only because at some point -at the end of 2011 when Gulen fanatics arrested a retired chief of staff- Erdogan realized that criminal allegations against Gulen and his fanatics were correct, and started to oppose their actions. But by that time much damage was done to the country: Gulen fanatics having already infiltrated highest positions in the state, were behaving like a giant mafia, and
jailing their opponent on ridiculous charges. The most important mistake that president Erdogan made in his 13 years of rule was to collaborate with Gulen and his fanatics. Because of this collaboration about 1000 high ranking civil servants were jailed on fabricated evidence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/world/europe/turkeys-glow-dims-as-gove...
It must be understood by everyone that Gulen critisize Erdogan only because at some point -at the end of 2011 when Gulen fanatics arrested a retired chief of staff- Erdogan realized that criminal allegations against Gulen and his fanatics were correct, and started to oppose their actions. But by that time much damage was done to the country: Gulen fanatics having already infiltrated highest positions in the state, were behaving like a giant mafia, and
jailing their opponent on ridiculous charges. The most important mistake that president Erdogan made in his 13 years of rule was to collaborate with Gulen and his fanatics. Because of this collaboration about 1000 high ranking civil servants were jailed on fabricated evidence.
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I agree with the author in his cry for democracy. This call makes more sense since he is thought to be the other side of the “fight”.
But, in order to participate in a “fight” of this magnitude, you need to be powerful enough. I think it is this precise context where some people are getting it all wrong. Gulen followers or the cemaat or whatever you call them, are NOT that powerful. Yes, their paper sells over a million in Turkey but it just makes 4-5 million people, tops. Turkey is 75+ million people, before all the refugees are counted. And not everyone who buys their paper shares the same views as Gulen. We are talking about mostly blue collar / white collar with incomes in the middle class or lower. And yet somehow they are suspected to topple governments. Only Hollywood can do better.
I am particularly fascinated by people’s imagination. Once you create an unseen goliath, all things can be blamed to it. And we all know politicians are very good at that. For many people here in the US, a man’s word is a word to be trusted. If you have doubts, you go to the court. If courts clean up your suspicions, he is to be trusted. It seems like Gulen has to go through this process every few years to continue to assure people that he has no intentions of toppling anyone.
But, in order to participate in a “fight” of this magnitude, you need to be powerful enough. I think it is this precise context where some people are getting it all wrong. Gulen followers or the cemaat or whatever you call them, are NOT that powerful. Yes, their paper sells over a million in Turkey but it just makes 4-5 million people, tops. Turkey is 75+ million people, before all the refugees are counted. And not everyone who buys their paper shares the same views as Gulen. We are talking about mostly blue collar / white collar with incomes in the middle class or lower. And yet somehow they are suspected to topple governments. Only Hollywood can do better.
I am particularly fascinated by people’s imagination. Once you create an unseen goliath, all things can be blamed to it. And we all know politicians are very good at that. For many people here in the US, a man’s word is a word to be trusted. If you have doubts, you go to the court. If courts clean up your suspicions, he is to be trusted. It seems like Gulen has to go through this process every few years to continue to assure people that he has no intentions of toppling anyone.
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NY Times, are you kidding me? Fethullah Gulen is an Islamist, who supported Erdogan government for the past 10 years !!!! Now that they have fallen apart, he is "teaching" us the merits of democracy ! If Mr. Gulen wants to be taken seriously, he should firstly apolize to those journalists, professors, officers who have been arrested on false evidence created by his media outlets. In addition, calling Mr. Gulen "a scholar" must be joke. He does not teach or conduct research of any sort. He is religious sect leader.
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Turkey did make strides in the direction of a secular democracy. However, a true democracy comes to terms with its path. Turkey has never addressed its role in the Armenian genocide and goes to effort to repress the subject. It did happen, and a mature democracy would admit it, express sadness, and make some effort to make, admittedly late, compensation to the international community with regard to helping the victims of other genocides in the name of the one million Turkish citizens killed in the early twentieth century. I hope Turkey's civil society heals its past and moves forward into the new century confident of its future.
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Mr Gulen did construct todays Turkey together with Mr Erdogan in last 15 years. So it is no surprise he knows the situation better than the most. He had a huge help from Mr Obama while marketing a "conservative nationalist" as a "liberal democrat" to the world. this piece is a very good summary of what is happening in Turkey for last 2-3 years. with all the respect to his scholarship I look forward to hear from Mr Gulen explanations on what happened before (his partnership w/ Mr Erdogan collapsed) and what Hizmet movement learned from the past (their mistakes) so they can be trusted in establishing the future.
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It was high time somebody finally drew attention on how Turkey is running fast to escape from democracy. F.Gulen has been doing his best for decades on teaching people how to live in order there to be place enough for everyone including the new generations.
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I think;
"Victory doesn’t grant them permission to ignore the Constitution or suppress dissent, especially when election victories are built on crony capitalism and media subservience" this sentence is the summary of all the events.
"Victory doesn’t grant them permission to ignore the Constitution or suppress dissent, especially when election victories are built on crony capitalism and media subservience" this sentence is the summary of all the events.
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While I agree with most of Mr Gulen points, I do not think that you can actually criticize Erdogan's government democracy attitude from an islamic point of view. Mr Gulen efforts will be frustrated by the inconsistency of his assumptions.
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I've known Fethullah Gulen for more than 25 years, since my secondary school years. He and his followers have no political agenda. They have dedicated their life for education and global peace. The followers of Mr.Gulen describe themselves as 'devoted souls'. They think of giving rather than taking. They become happy to see that their students academically improve and be a good member for their society. The followers of Mr.Gulen build good relationship with their students, teachers and parents. They believe that at the end, the society will benefit from this good atmosphere.
President Erdogan wants to destroy this movement because he wants to be a dictator. Erdogan did many good things for this country but unfortunately power changed him; he wants to eliminate everything that can be potentially against his dictatorship. Erdogan is destroying the country's reputation and democracy for himself.
President Erdogan wants to destroy this movement because he wants to be a dictator. Erdogan did many good things for this country but unfortunately power changed him; he wants to eliminate everything that can be potentially against his dictatorship. Erdogan is destroying the country's reputation and democracy for himself.
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As an academician at Galatasaray University, I certainly agree with the sentence "Turkey has now reached a point where democracy and human rights have almost been shelved". The desire to rule over all instutitions carried AKP to a point where they assume the others should be thrown away from universities, media, government and etc. Democracy, now clearly understood, has been a way for them to defeat all rivals and establish a system in which only the party members benefit from the sources and have rights.
A Turkish writer announced that if Orwell had been alive, he would have been quite happy to see Erdogan. I am not sure about it at all, but most probably he would have seen clearly how the Commandments the animals wrote on the walls were changed so fast.
Yes, We are all equal, but there are some who are more equal than us in this country. Since Mr. Gulen hasn't approved the so called"democratic system" they imagine, he has been the main obstacle in front of them.
A Turkish writer announced that if Orwell had been alive, he would have been quite happy to see Erdogan. I am not sure about it at all, but most probably he would have seen clearly how the Commandments the animals wrote on the walls were changed so fast.
Yes, We are all equal, but there are some who are more equal than us in this country. Since Mr. Gulen hasn't approved the so called"democratic system" they imagine, he has been the main obstacle in front of them.
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Another example of cynical manipulators aaprpriating the religion of their people and using it to oppress and blind them.
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I taught in Turkey from 2008 to 2012. The democratic process was dying then. Erdogan has managed to strangle free expression in the university, in the press and other media. The US still considers him an ally! Why?
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What Hizmet movement have done so far in the polls was to support human rights, free speech, democratic constitution and values that contribute to world peace and tolerance, not any political parties. So it is iniquitous to attribute this movement to an ally of the AKP. The movement has never aimed to establish any political party though it has millions of followers.
Uncovering of truth related with his son, a 100 billion corruption accusation, his four ministers' dealings with Rizza Zerrab, all his dirty clothes to be revealed. Those are only a few of the things that Erdogan fears.
Do you believe that Erdogan sleeps comfortably in his bed?
Uncovering of truth related with his son, a 100 billion corruption accusation, his four ministers' dealings with Rizza Zerrab, all his dirty clothes to be revealed. Those are only a few of the things that Erdogan fears.
Do you believe that Erdogan sleeps comfortably in his bed?
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Gulen's comments on his support of liberal democracy and assertions of its compatibility with Islam can only be made to Western readers ignorant of the Koran and ignorant of its history and ignorant of Mr. Gulen's own history. Historically, where has liberal democracy taken root in the Islamic world? The areas controlled by Hamas in Gaza? The Sudan (north or South)? Pakistan? Afghanistan? What has happened to the Arab spring--how long did even rudimentary democracy last let alone liberal democracy? Gulen himself is an Islamic radical supporting the Islamization of Turkey before he fled to the US. There are some hopeful signs such as Indonesia and Tunisia but these are historical aberations within the Uma and still fragile. His article is only possible because we in the West are so naïve. David
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Its clear that Erdoğan, who headed the AK Party for about 12 years and who served as prime minister until he was elected president last August in the country's first direct elections, is seeking a presidential system not to further democracy but to install a quasi-authoritarian system.
Mr. Gülen stated a year ago that he made a mistake by supporting the Justice and Development Party (AKP) during the 2010 referendum campaign. Even though, as of today, I do not think that supporting the constitutional amendment package was wrong in itself, it seems that this package has paved the way for the AKP's growing semi-despotism.
Mr. Gülen stated a year ago that he made a mistake by supporting the Justice and Development Party (AKP) during the 2010 referendum campaign. Even though, as of today, I do not think that supporting the constitutional amendment package was wrong in itself, it seems that this package has paved the way for the AKP's growing semi-despotism.
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Are the core tenets of democracy really the same as the basic Islamic values? Hard to believe considering we are witnessing the opposite in recent global events. The only way Turkey was able to achieve functioning democracy is by forcefully localizing "Islamic values" inside the mosques, and not tolerating them in the public, political arena. Such arrangement lasted for some time, but coudn't be sustained.
Having many friends from Turkey, I am able to follow Turkish politics for a long time. Mr.Gulen and Hizmet group look like the strongest voice left that is supporting democracy in Turkey. I didn't really trust Erdogan when he was moving Turkey towards EU. But most of my Turkish friends believed him when he was convincing everybody. With Gezi park events and other non-democratic events, he started to show his real self. I am glad that there is still a civic society in Turkey who doesn't believe fabricated stories of Erdogan or isn't silienced by Erdogan's threats.
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Mr. Gulen is truly an Islamic scholar and the inspiration to all who are engaged in Hizmet. After his books and listening to his preaches, I learned to be selfless when helping others. I’ve learned to love every creature on earth for the sake of their creator.
Once, I was also a strong supporter of Mr. Erdogan as well as my other friends in Hizmet. However now (after the criticisms of Hizmet to his wrongdoings) in his hatred speeches he calls us and Mr. Gulen; betrayers, traitors, blood suckers, assassins, hypocrites, flunkies, leeches, defamers, Israeli spies, CIA agents, infidels, buffoons, liars, perverts, terrorists, viruses, parasites, blood-sucking vampires, parallels (to his political party), tumor (that had infiltrated the body of the state), criminal gangs, blackmailers, ignorant, racists and this goes on and on.. These are some of the insults Mr. Erdogan has made, ones that world leaders would be ashamed to write or voice.
Also in one of his speeches he called all of the Turkish citizens not to even give water to the followers of Hizmet. This way he spreads his hate along the citizens trying to otherize Hizmet followers.
I hope that this wouldn’t continue any longer because the innocent people in Hizmet don’t deserve this.
Once, I was also a strong supporter of Mr. Erdogan as well as my other friends in Hizmet. However now (after the criticisms of Hizmet to his wrongdoings) in his hatred speeches he calls us and Mr. Gulen; betrayers, traitors, blood suckers, assassins, hypocrites, flunkies, leeches, defamers, Israeli spies, CIA agents, infidels, buffoons, liars, perverts, terrorists, viruses, parasites, blood-sucking vampires, parallels (to his political party), tumor (that had infiltrated the body of the state), criminal gangs, blackmailers, ignorant, racists and this goes on and on.. These are some of the insults Mr. Erdogan has made, ones that world leaders would be ashamed to write or voice.
Also in one of his speeches he called all of the Turkish citizens not to even give water to the followers of Hizmet. This way he spreads his hate along the citizens trying to otherize Hizmet followers.
I hope that this wouldn’t continue any longer because the innocent people in Hizmet don’t deserve this.
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Erdogan’s
1. authoritarian style,
2. fact that he has been in power too long,
3. desire to be the unique resource for middle-east that controls all scholars and press,
4. polarized and divided public policies and attitudes,
5. huge corruption scandals, and
6. manipulations to freedom of speech, media and court/law system
are all unacceptable behaviors. These were observed nakedly by the world within last year after Gulen`s supporters took an important and unique stand against his current behaviors -even though they supported RTE in the beginning for his promises to make the country better. I see that they are the unique organized civic groups who can help Turkey to be free from poor-minded politicians and possible RTE regime. Thus is not a political issue any more, this is a freedom struggle. USA won the freedom struggle long time ago. We should support all civic movements who are in peace with others like the Gulen Group. Let`s give a chance.
1. authoritarian style,
2. fact that he has been in power too long,
3. desire to be the unique resource for middle-east that controls all scholars and press,
4. polarized and divided public policies and attitudes,
5. huge corruption scandals, and
6. manipulations to freedom of speech, media and court/law system
are all unacceptable behaviors. These were observed nakedly by the world within last year after Gulen`s supporters took an important and unique stand against his current behaviors -even though they supported RTE in the beginning for his promises to make the country better. I see that they are the unique organized civic groups who can help Turkey to be free from poor-minded politicians and possible RTE regime. Thus is not a political issue any more, this is a freedom struggle. USA won the freedom struggle long time ago. We should support all civic movements who are in peace with others like the Gulen Group. Let`s give a chance.
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Freedom of expression is one of the determining factors for democratic consolidation in a country. It stands for the notion that divergent opinions can be voiced in a society. Turkey's state personnel claims that Turkey is "democratic" and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, even declared in one of his latest speeches that nowhere in the world is media as free as in Turkey. However, domestic cases and international data prove the opposite of these claims. Indeed, Turkey gives a lot of examples on how freedom of expression can be nullified (a very popular concept in Turkey recently) through different ways.
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It shouldn't be surprising to observers of Middle East politics. Erdogan has dreams of the re-establishment of the old Ottoman Empire with himself as Khalif. He was rebuffed by Morsi when he went to visit him in Egypt before he was deposed. His plans conflict directly with the plans of The Mad Mullahs who want to re-establish the Persian Empire with an Islamic 'tinge'.
His repetitive tantrums about the 'evil Zionist entity' lay bare his Islamic fantasy dominated mind-set. At the moment, he is stuck with a democratic constitution which the Turkish military are forced to uphold. When he has replaced enough of its officers with Muslims that he can trust, expect a devolution of Turkish democracy with an ascendancy, (not evolution), of 'Islamic values'.
Turkey can never become part of Europe as long as Erdogan and his mindset are the democratically elected leaders of Turkey.
If I was an industrial/financial investor, I would be giving Turkey a wide berth. In short, Turkey's recent economic expansion may falter now.
His repetitive tantrums about the 'evil Zionist entity' lay bare his Islamic fantasy dominated mind-set. At the moment, he is stuck with a democratic constitution which the Turkish military are forced to uphold. When he has replaced enough of its officers with Muslims that he can trust, expect a devolution of Turkish democracy with an ascendancy, (not evolution), of 'Islamic values'.
Turkey can never become part of Europe as long as Erdogan and his mindset are the democratically elected leaders of Turkey.
If I was an industrial/financial investor, I would be giving Turkey a wide berth. In short, Turkey's recent economic expansion may falter now.
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After cooperating with Erdogan and his power-hungry, self-absorbed and anti-democratic gang for over a decade, Gulen comes out and bemoans in this op-ed piece only after the former allies became enemies and Erdogan declared him an enemy of state. Both Gulen and Erdogan (and their henchmen) have caused great damage to the institutions of Turkish state which have been formed with the sweat and hardwork of men and women of the country from the ashes of Ottoman empire with the great leadership and forward-looking vision of Ataturk. Erdogan's goal is to turn Turkey to an Islamic Republic by 2023 (100th anniversary of founding of Turkish Republic) and he is making a speedy progress towards this goal with every undemocratic avenue possible. Gulen and his Hizmet supporters have contributed to this outcome significantly. I hope that a democratic and secular grass-roots movement as an opposition force will be nurtured and supported in the near future. Otherwise, the future of Turkish state and her citizens and the legacy of Ataturk is at stake.
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"The core tenets of a functioning democracy — the rule of law, respect for individual freedoms — are also the most basic of Islamic values bestowed upon us by God."
Really? Now that Turkey is out of the equation, please tell us the name of one Islamic state that meets that test.
Really? Now that Turkey is out of the equation, please tell us the name of one Islamic state that meets that test.
Hizmet movement is like the sun. It warms up and enlightens not only Turkey but also the world. You cannot curse the sun or turn it off because it makes so hot. If you are clever enough you just try to make use of it. By cursing Hizmet you cannot get anything. As you close your eyes against the sun you make dark it for yourself, andby avoiding appreciating Hizmet you make it dark yourself too...
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Gulen's teachings about dialogue and tolerance is spreading day by day inspite of radical resistance and oppression to his followers in Turkey.
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As a Turkish living in US, how Turkey becomes anti-democratic country and loses its prestige day by day concerns me a lot. Mr Gulen explained these facts in a nice way that is more like looking at big picture. He is one of the strongest minds of Turkey by promoting democracy, human rights, education and mutual understanding.
Unfortunately, Erdogan is fallowing the steps of a dictator. He is shuffling judiciary system to cover corruption investigation, taking revenge from people who criticize him and his government, controlling most of the newspaper, and threatening journalists etc. Very recently, he has been trying to close Turkish schools at abroad. Probably he is the only president who tries to close his countries schools, which are great schools with amazing accomplishments at very difficult parts of the world. Looks like Erdogan is preparing his end. Turkish people are more independent people, and do not accept such a dictatorship.
I hope that the government and Erdogan can see what they are really doing to Turkey and Turkish people and stop talking and doing nonsense, and start to work for more democratic Turkey.
Unfortunately, Erdogan is fallowing the steps of a dictator. He is shuffling judiciary system to cover corruption investigation, taking revenge from people who criticize him and his government, controlling most of the newspaper, and threatening journalists etc. Very recently, he has been trying to close Turkish schools at abroad. Probably he is the only president who tries to close his countries schools, which are great schools with amazing accomplishments at very difficult parts of the world. Looks like Erdogan is preparing his end. Turkish people are more independent people, and do not accept such a dictatorship.
I hope that the government and Erdogan can see what they are really doing to Turkey and Turkish people and stop talking and doing nonsense, and start to work for more democratic Turkey.
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We are really in need of Mr.Gulen's ideas for a better democracy not only in Turkey but also for our world.
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I think the article is a perfect and completely realist analysis of the current situation in Turkey ..I hope that one day democracy will be truly understood in Every piece of the world..
Fethullah gülen is a great teacher trying to show people how to live in peace in the world together as sisters and brothers ... He deserves the nobel prize in my opinion ...
Fethullah gülen is a great teacher trying to show people how to live in peace in the world together as sisters and brothers ... He deserves the nobel prize in my opinion ...
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The article is well summarized and I totally agree with what is written there. Thanks for publishing this article and helping people to understand what is going on.
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Those who want to reform the world must first reform themselves. If they want to lead others to a better world, they must purify their inner worlds of hatred, rancor, and jealousy, and adorn their outer worlds with virtue. The words of those who cannot control and discipline themselves, and who have not refined their feelings, may seem attractive and insightful at first. However, even if they somehow manage to inspire others, which they sometimes do, the sentiments they arouse will soon wither.
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It is really hard to understand the aimless efforts of our administrators. Mr.Gulen's ideas, solutions take care of humanity and make a peaceful world. That's it.
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Hizmet Movement is helping people to understand that we should seek happiness in the happiness of others. That's how people can live peacefully without discrimination or conflict.
The things Mr. Fethullah Gulen said never changed for 40-50 years : Understanding, education, toleration, dialogue, empathy.. He is the mentor of more than 1000 schools in more than 150 countries. In these schools, students are learning how to understand, how to show respect to each other and their beliefs beside Maths, Science, Art.
I was expecting to see President Recep Tayyip Erdogan supporting this movement but the things are very different in Turkey. I cannot understand why AKP declares this movement and these citizens as their enemies even though these people are very welcomed in other countries and awarded because of their philosophy and success in education.
The things Mr. Fethullah Gulen said never changed for 40-50 years : Understanding, education, toleration, dialogue, empathy.. He is the mentor of more than 1000 schools in more than 150 countries. In these schools, students are learning how to understand, how to show respect to each other and their beliefs beside Maths, Science, Art.
I was expecting to see President Recep Tayyip Erdogan supporting this movement but the things are very different in Turkey. I cannot understand why AKP declares this movement and these citizens as their enemies even though these people are very welcomed in other countries and awarded because of their philosophy and success in education.
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The article is very well written but I don't think Fethullah Gulen is providing more information about the ongoing democratic crisis in Turkey. The article is a good summary of AKP's antidemocratic inclination. This has been also reported in the most recent Freedom House report - though "parallel structure" might seize there and corrupt the report !!
The most recent "Freedom In the World" report says:
Turkey drifted much further from democratic norms, with longtime prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan rising to the presidency and overseeing government attempts to quash corruption cases against his allies and associates. The media and judiciary both faced greater interference by the executive and legislative branches, including a series of raids and arrests targeting media outlets affiliated with Erdoğan’s political enemies.
The most recent "Freedom In the World" report says:
Turkey drifted much further from democratic norms, with longtime prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan rising to the presidency and overseeing government attempts to quash corruption cases against his allies and associates. The media and judiciary both faced greater interference by the executive and legislative branches, including a series of raids and arrests targeting media outlets affiliated with Erdoğan’s political enemies.
I really would love to thank nytimes for pulishing this article ,which has enormous importance about shedding light on what has been happening in Turkey, to enlighten people all around the world. As a supporter of this movement I really delighted to read Mr.Gulen`s summary which explained everything clearly. Like the most of the people today protesting on the streets in Turkey I had believed that Turkey will be much better country in terms of every aspect with current government. Ending up like this really agonizing. I strongly believe that these bad days will end soon and again as a nation Turkey will rise.
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I can wholeheartedly say that the writer objectively reflects the current situation of the country. I, myself, live in TUrkey and can see easily that the hizmet movement is seen as scapegoat for Erdogan's sins.It is riduculous but a religous man and his followers have been subject of witch hunting just because of telling that there is something wrong with the ruling of the country. Speaking against oppression is a democratic right, however, those who don't have any idea of democracy see this as undermining the state. Turks should wake up this magic sleep and listen to Gulen's thoughts.
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I totally agree with the author. I personally know some of the volunteers in this movement. Their only goal is building friendship, promoting dialogue and peace in the world. They are trying to embracing diversity and building tolerance in society. Thanks
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totally commendable remarks,
you can't pretend to ignore the contribution of gulen movement to universal peace and yet the institutions represent the hizmet movement are banned to operate and treated as terrorists organs.
Its not knowing that government will trash them away its knowing that the movement becomes more powerful.while they are sardonically isolated since 17/12/2014
you can't pretend to ignore the contribution of gulen movement to universal peace and yet the institutions represent the hizmet movement are banned to operate and treated as terrorists organs.
Its not knowing that government will trash them away its knowing that the movement becomes more powerful.while they are sardonically isolated since 17/12/2014
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One of the wisest sayings is: "Each person is hidden under his or her tongue." An even greater one is: "If you want a friend, God is enough; if you want a companion, the Qur'an..."
This is what I learnt : walk in the path of God and keep your sincerity , this ephemeral world somehow will end. Harvest good deeds so that you can reap them in the hereafter.
Undeniably, I have observed him throughout my life, the conclusion is a person who haven't changed his sayings for at least 40 years, a man of truthfulness,a true follower of Hz. Abu Bakr.
Again if I refer to his sayings ' Those with strong will-power and good, sound character will not lose anything of their virtuous essence, even if they are made to suffer thousands of kinds of pains and sorrows and forced to change their views and ways. What shall we say about those weak ones who, without provocation, change their thoughts and ways every day?''
Thank you Mr. Gulen for setting us a true example ,you have shown that even in today's world it's possible to live a life like this..
This is what I learnt : walk in the path of God and keep your sincerity , this ephemeral world somehow will end. Harvest good deeds so that you can reap them in the hereafter.
Undeniably, I have observed him throughout my life, the conclusion is a person who haven't changed his sayings for at least 40 years, a man of truthfulness,a true follower of Hz. Abu Bakr.
Again if I refer to his sayings ' Those with strong will-power and good, sound character will not lose anything of their virtuous essence, even if they are made to suffer thousands of kinds of pains and sorrows and forced to change their views and ways. What shall we say about those weak ones who, without provocation, change their thoughts and ways every day?''
Thank you Mr. Gulen for setting us a true example ,you have shown that even in today's world it's possible to live a life like this..
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Courage and braveness are important; just as important as the properness of method and trustworthiness. You will be brave and unflinching, especially when you are in the position of protecting your ethos. Yet you will not go hog wild doing this.
I appreciate Gulen for his courage to talk about his countries' ruling party's mistakes freely. Thank you Mr Gulen.
I appreciate Gulen for his courage to talk about his countries' ruling party's mistakes freely. Thank you Mr Gulen.
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There're only few groups left in Turkey to be able to stand up to the new Dictators of Middle East, and Hizmet movement volunteers are one of those groups. Most of the non-AKP newspaper owners already accepted to bow to Erdogan because of the threats to their businesses and being jailed. Zaman, together with Sozcu, Cumhuriyet and Bugun newspapers, which are only 30% of total newspapers sold, are the only remaining ones who can criticize AKP openly.
Just last week, a lady journalist was sued for 5 years just because she made the police knocked her door to arrest wait 5 minutes. 5 minutes, because it was early in the morning, and she needed to get dressed before opening the door. This is not about a group vs. other. It's about Democracy, Freedom of Speech, to be able to live as human beings with Dignity.
Just last week, a lady journalist was sued for 5 years just because she made the police knocked her door to arrest wait 5 minutes. 5 minutes, because it was early in the morning, and she needed to get dressed before opening the door. This is not about a group vs. other. It's about Democracy, Freedom of Speech, to be able to live as human beings with Dignity.
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I have spent time in Turkey. It is an incredible country of warm hearted educated people. I am dismayed by many of the comments I read that do not take Mr. Gulen at his word. Mr. Gulen is breaking with Erdogan and the A.K.P. completely for the first time in this article and deserves our great respect with this declaration. Kemal Ataturk, who created the Turkish Constitution, might have been a dictator, but he was unlike any dictator before or since. He was like a philosopher-king in Plato's republic. He used his power and the military to create a strong civil society, educate all and free women and the poor. He brought Turkey into the 20th century. Personally he was austere and did not accept wealth . The army protected the civil state. There were lapses, but generally the reason that A.K.P was able to generate an economic boom in the last decade was that all of the pieces of the state and economy were kept in place by the military. That balance has been broken and the A.K.P. has now taken the face of it's enemy.
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Perhaps you'd be kind enough to direct us to some passages in the Koran that extol democracy.
The Army has always been the guardian of Secularism in Turkey. The liberals always depended on the Army to do bidding for them and they themselves never worked hard to educate the public and explain the virtues of secularism. The liberals undermined democracy by siding with the Army on the name of secularism. Now the Army is sidelined and liberals are left alone to work, and being lazy, they do not want to work hard to convince the public to back their agenda. All they can do is cry foul. The same thing happened in Egypt, the liberals brought in the Army to help them rather work hard to convince the public for democracy and secular values. It backfired in Egypt, the Army is more brutal than anything they have experienced.
The liberal forces should stop complaining and pay attention to grass root hard work-and there is no alternative to it.
The liberal forces should stop complaining and pay attention to grass root hard work-and there is no alternative to it.
Once again Mr. Fethullah Gulen has given a wonderful summary of the situation in Turkey. Even though the Hizmet movement is undergoing a witch-hunt, all their participants are keen to multiply their work all over the world.
Like mr. Gulen said, the participation in the movement is driven by intrinsic rewards, not extrinsic ones.
I will personally do my best to convince people of the thoughts of the Hizmet movement and hope that people will at least try to understand the Hizmet movement.
Like mr. Gulen said, the participation in the movement is driven by intrinsic rewards, not extrinsic ones.
I will personally do my best to convince people of the thoughts of the Hizmet movement and hope that people will at least try to understand the Hizmet movement.
I agree with this amazing scholar. Turkish people must fight for democracy and human rights, otherwise our country will complete fall down in the hands of some ignorant people.
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When it comes to compare those two men, Gulen and Erdogan, it is clearly seen who values democracy, civil and human rights and universal peace of religions and who is dramatically moving away from those values. There is only one civil movement which serve the Turkey's international reputation: indisputably Gulen movement. There is only one man which dissolves the good reputation of Turkey: Erdogan
As a person who support the EU membership of Turkey, I believe that Erdogan's Turkey does not deserve to be member of the club.
As a person who support the EU membership of Turkey, I believe that Erdogan's Turkey does not deserve to be member of the club.
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We all can see that unfortunately Mr. Erdogan is the best example to see how power change a person 180 degrees.
It is unfortunate that Turkey, once an exemplary country among the Muslim world, now has side-tracked from everything what has been pursued for many years in its history.
The Hizmet movement, motivated by the preaches of Mr. Gulen, has always been an advocate of peaceful acts and democracy.
It is very heartbreaking to see this movement and Mr. Gulen himself have been the target of the corrupted government in Turkey led by Mr. Erdogan.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey.
It is unfortunate that Turkey, once an exemplary country among the Muslim world, now has side-tracked from everything what has been pursued for many years in its history.
The Hizmet movement, motivated by the preaches of Mr. Gulen, has always been an advocate of peaceful acts and democracy.
It is very heartbreaking to see this movement and Mr. Gulen himself have been the target of the corrupted government in Turkey led by Mr. Erdogan.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey.
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He summarized the situation in Turkey in the present. I totally disagree with What the AKP is doing now. It is not the same AKP and not the same Erdogan as they looked a few years ago. You can look at Erdogan and see how a person can change after gaining power.
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Mr. Gülen's told that peace atmosphere can be reach only with the Mr. Gülen's logic and operations .
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Turkey is the only country does not know that the purpose of the service,as some people call the action.
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I am not a Turk but I know and work with people who support ideas of Fethullah Gülen and activities of Hizmet Movement for about 15 years and I didn't see any danger, any bad intention or injustice from their side. All of them are well-educated people trying to contribute to the global peace and mutual understanding. Yes, they take inspiration from their religious sources that tell them not to be selfish and spend their life on the path of altruism and maintaining peace. But it is the truth every religion promotes.
Moreover, as a sociologist I was interested in investigation of such global social phenomenon and spent 5 years to examine the activity of this transnational social movement theoretically and empirically. As a result I have a dissertation devoted to global social initiatives contributing to global peace including Hizmet Movement and I didn't fixed any illegality or danger.
I believe that the Turkish society will be able to cope with difficulties that block its progress and well-being. Its important to realize that there is no advantages in totalitarianism.
Moreover, as a sociologist I was interested in investigation of such global social phenomenon and spent 5 years to examine the activity of this transnational social movement theoretically and empirically. As a result I have a dissertation devoted to global social initiatives contributing to global peace including Hizmet Movement and I didn't fixed any illegality or danger.
I believe that the Turkish society will be able to cope with difficulties that block its progress and well-being. Its important to realize that there is no advantages in totalitarianism.
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I agree whith you
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I agree with the author. It is kind a sad to see what has become of Turkey after years of hard work. I hope things get better in the future.
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A very enlightening piece of article about what is currently going on in Turkey. I hope the ruling party will come to an end soon otherwise Turkey will be added to the 3rd world countries list :(
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First of all, many thanks to NYT to publish this article. You're on the point.
Actually no need to spend so many words and sentences. We only need to focus on what they Mr Gulen & Erdogan have done so far.
While Mr. GULEN is working on peace (not only local but also global), education, tolarance, love, respect, democracy, comity, human rights, freedom, freedom of thougt and faith, pluralism...
ERDOGAN is working on domestic & regional war (PKK/KCK & Syria etc), enmity, animosity, indignity, presumption, totalitarizm, discrimination, larceny, behaviours against human rights and freedoms...
QUESTION: Who doesn't like law, prosecuter, judge and police?
ANSWER: Robbers, Thieves, Terrorists, Dirty & corrupted officials && & ERDOGAN.
I think everyone understans what I mean.
Actually no need to spend so many words and sentences. We only need to focus on what they Mr Gulen & Erdogan have done so far.
While Mr. GULEN is working on peace (not only local but also global), education, tolarance, love, respect, democracy, comity, human rights, freedom, freedom of thougt and faith, pluralism...
ERDOGAN is working on domestic & regional war (PKK/KCK & Syria etc), enmity, animosity, indignity, presumption, totalitarizm, discrimination, larceny, behaviours against human rights and freedoms...
QUESTION: Who doesn't like law, prosecuter, judge and police?
ANSWER: Robbers, Thieves, Terrorists, Dirty & corrupted officials && & ERDOGAN.
I think everyone understans what I mean.
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not only turkey, all the world should evaluate this scholar and his approachs
Thank you NY times for publishing this article. This article basically summarizes what the turkish government is going through at the moment. Hope to see democracy in turkey as soon as possible. Hope to see the current ruling party to end without anymore harm done to the Citizens of Turkey.
No one has the right to take ones democratic rights away from them.
No one has the right to take ones democratic rights away from them.
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I Totally agree with Mr.Gulen. Unfortunately turkey s stuation is what he descripes. Democracy shut down and suspended by dictatorial decision and will.
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Together with his gang Erdogan robed the state. One of them (Erdogan Bayraktar even confessed their guilt) but they didn't want to be prosecuted so they created an imaginary organization called "parallel state".
Erdogan has become a very dangerous dictator. Stealing,lying,insulting,humiliating..etc. The best thing he does is lying. He pretends like he is religious, but he only worships money.
Those evidences what you could listen on youtube were enough to condemn this guy forever in prison.
However Turkish folk has not woken up completely to see this crime organization.
Erdogan has become a very dangerous dictator. Stealing,lying,insulting,humiliating..etc. The best thing he does is lying. He pretends like he is religious, but he only worships money.
Those evidences what you could listen on youtube were enough to condemn this guy forever in prison.
However Turkish folk has not woken up completely to see this crime organization.
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Thank you.
I have read this article. It's wonderful and very excellent. I have been reading or listening carefully mr. Gülen for twenty nine years. If he written about a topic it is true. He haven't say any lie. He is the most valuable pearl for humanity.
I have read this article. It's wonderful and very excellent. I have been reading or listening carefully mr. Gülen for twenty nine years. If he written about a topic it is true. He haven't say any lie. He is the most valuable pearl for humanity.
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This article perfectly reflects my thoughts and opinions in the best effective way. No one can express the situation any better than this. I have lived in the USA very long time appreciating and experiencing the best form of democracy in the world. I think I can easily compare USA and Turkey from that perspective. That is why the last paragraph starts with a very true statement.
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I would like to congratulate NY Times and Its Editors for publishing this article. By this article we can understand exactly what is going on in Turkey for the last year.
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Fetullah gülen write a very good writing about democracy..turkey's democracy level is low in these days.
Excelent writing
Thkn so much..
Excelent writing
Thkn so much..
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Mr. Gulen really have very nice expression. thanks
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I agree with Mr Gulen has ideas that the A.K.P's has been using bad way following unusual of democracy .I also not talking about the democracy ,unfortunately undemocracy.This reason about Turkey will be crying to bad things also away from European contanct according to relation less thought. This is not only Turkey and also the other many countries get together were effectively .This is not real politic .*hizmet servant *also not connection between each other according to A.K.P's leaders democracy, althought Mr Gulen said to hizmet participants have never formed a political party nor have they pursued political ambitions .
I agree with the views expressed in this article.
Most people didn't realize until recently that AKP seemed to be respecting religion only to increase its political power. But now they ingore all kinds of norms and rules including those dictated by religion only to stay at power. Politics should stay away from religion. We see how politics can be such dirty.
Most people didn't realize until recently that AKP seemed to be respecting religion only to increase its political power. But now they ingore all kinds of norms and rules including those dictated by religion only to stay at power. Politics should stay away from religion. We see how politics can be such dirty.
Fethullah gulen's opinions are important to democracy. he wants to piece. I just want to say he is a great person. I support to him for the rest of my life.
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I am of the opinion that the article by Mr.Gulen very well describes how Turkey-a NATO ally- day-by-day is becoming an autocratic State where the rule of law, freedom of the media, fundemental human rights and other international values are systematically undermined and ignored. I do not know if the news hit the international media yet, just as I write this opinion Turkey's Banking Regulatory Authority (called BDDK) announced that they are overtaking the management of BankAsya, a Bank operating in Turkey with a high ratio of assests and loands; just because BankAsya is known to be close to the people from Hizmet movement. What does that move signal to the international finance and economic circules? Would you consider investing in a country where a healthy Bank is just overtaken by State not based on rules and regulations but just for satisfying the rulers? I can only pray for the people Turkey and hope that God will save them. But they have a huge responsibility on their shoulder. Without a democracy Turkey will not be in democratic and developed world. They are on the crossroads. Let's hope and pray that majority of the Turks will opt for the democracy and rule of law not for a facade and unsustainable economic development which seemed to be the highest motivating factor for majority of people who voted for the ruling party at the recent polls.
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Turks have no one to blame but themselves.
Mr. Gülen support erdoğan when he is acting according to international walues and he stop cut the support when he starts to act as dictator so everyone who wants to live in democracy should stay against erdogan
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Not only Mr. Gülen is an islamic scholar but also a great thinker who leads his followers to be educated both with modern science and islamic teachings. He is a chance for humanity.
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Thanks NYT for permitting the world the opportunity hear Fethullah Gulen’s view of what has been occurring in the Turkey over the last few years. Sadly, we are recently witnessing the erosion of democracy, justice, human rights, freedom of expression and state corruption. I think the saying “absolute power, absolutely corrupts” pretty much summarises the recent failure of AKP.
Many political commentators are missing the big picture and have simplified Turkey’s current situation as a political struggle between Erdogan and Gulen, a modern day David and Goliath battle. Mr Gulen is 76 years old living in a reclusive life in Pensylvania for15 years. He has been in public life for over 50 years and has authored more than 43 books, hundreds of articles for journals, and countless sermons which have largely been recorded. You cannot find any evidence a desire for political power.
Mr Gulen is equally guilty as the USA, EU and many UN nations for supporting Erdogan while he was championing democracy, good governance, and economic improvements. Sadly AKP after winning their third term, have changed their political path and are pursuing a tight path of central government controlling everything with a Bush-like, “you are either with us or against us” approach. In a time where many are afraid to raise any differing view to the Government, Mr Gulen has courageously spoken out about government corruption, hate language, social division, and the departure from their prior democratic path.
Many political commentators are missing the big picture and have simplified Turkey’s current situation as a political struggle between Erdogan and Gulen, a modern day David and Goliath battle. Mr Gulen is 76 years old living in a reclusive life in Pensylvania for15 years. He has been in public life for over 50 years and has authored more than 43 books, hundreds of articles for journals, and countless sermons which have largely been recorded. You cannot find any evidence a desire for political power.
Mr Gulen is equally guilty as the USA, EU and many UN nations for supporting Erdogan while he was championing democracy, good governance, and economic improvements. Sadly AKP after winning their third term, have changed their political path and are pursuing a tight path of central government controlling everything with a Bush-like, “you are either with us or against us” approach. In a time where many are afraid to raise any differing view to the Government, Mr Gulen has courageously spoken out about government corruption, hate language, social division, and the departure from their prior democratic path.
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Unfortunately everything mentioned in this article is happening. Even today, the government took over a bank which supports Gulen's movement, without any logical reason.
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Very well said. This article summarizes what is going on in our beloved country Turkey, last past few years. Our government is trying to stop Hizmet Movement by doing so many unlawful, heartbreaking and disappointing things to their own people. Fethullah Gulen is advocate of love, dialogue and democracy. He has been supporting the government because of their promises about human rights and democracy. Now government is messing up in everything, they do huge corruptions and they are doing so many shameful things in and outside of the country. Erdogan is attacking Hizmet because Hizmet participants does not support him in his wrongdoings. I wish and pray that this nightmare will end very soon.
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I had some negative views about this movement however my thoughts have changed by the time. One of my friends married a guy from this movement and they are religious but democratic and liberal people.
Fethullah Gulen (Hodjaefendi) is one of the leading figure of turkey since 1960's and 70's who advocated the democracy. His efforts to promote better democracy in Turkey, even though many people blamed him for this, redounded to Hodjaefendi's credit in the Turkish community. Today, he is the only scholar who resists to the anti-democratic implementations and policies of the government. What he was saying yesterday in terms of democracy is the same of today. People have never witnessed inconsistencies in his speeches since 1960's.
In addition, Hizmet movement participants supported the democratization agenda of the ruling party, and all the policies toward a better democracy. in contrast, one of the most important reasons of transformation of the ruling party is that the leader of the party himself engaged with his son in the corruption.
The participants of the Hizmet movement will never diverge from the way of democracy.
THANKS TO NY. TIMES FOR THIS ARTICLE.
In addition, Hizmet movement participants supported the democratization agenda of the ruling party, and all the policies toward a better democracy. in contrast, one of the most important reasons of transformation of the ruling party is that the leader of the party himself engaged with his son in the corruption.
The participants of the Hizmet movement will never diverge from the way of democracy.
THANKS TO NY. TIMES FOR THIS ARTICLE.
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I thought oppression is a relic of the past, it's bothering me to see this act from the government of a country that I has always admired. Gulen and his social movement joined by many people around the world have been positively contributing a lot in many regions across the globe, I feel it firsthand because I am an alumni of Gulen school and the teaching of those schools and those people who follow Gulen's path of altruism brought nothing but peace and well-being for everyone around them.
Congratulations ! There would be no better person to explain the transformation of President Erdogan than Mr.Gulen. As a witness of changings and developments in Turkey for forty years now I am totally disappointed. A promising young generation and signifiant developments in and out of the Turkey and in the end a failure...
With the power government having, it was expected to be written a civil constitıtion but in vain. People lost against their lasts wasted everything.People care only about themselves can not succeed.
Mr.Gulen cares about the problems of not only Turks but also of humanity at large.and it could be seen in all his successes and writings.Even if you ask people living in his neighbourhood in USA you would have many witnesses of his high quality and characteristics.
I believe he is one of those , suffering because of the failure of the turkish democracy an to evaluate the situation since he worked for the good for fifty years.
Thanks for the great job u did.
With the power government having, it was expected to be written a civil constitıtion but in vain. People lost against their lasts wasted everything.People care only about themselves can not succeed.
Mr.Gulen cares about the problems of not only Turks but also of humanity at large.and it could be seen in all his successes and writings.Even if you ask people living in his neighbourhood in USA you would have many witnesses of his high quality and characteristics.
I believe he is one of those , suffering because of the failure of the turkish democracy an to evaluate the situation since he worked for the good for fifty years.
Thanks for the great job u did.
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This article is absolutely mirroring objectively the real current situation in Turkey. Fethullah Gulen has dedicated his whole life for the peace of human beings. From the beginning of this movement until now nobody can show anything against democracy. Gulen and this movement has been applauded by variety of people and organizations not in Turkey also but all over the world. But now just to be able to cover their own dirt, Erdogan chose Hizmet movement as an enemy and want to put to sleep the people by trying non-logical attacks. so all the things are done lawlessness. World is observing everything. Light of dawn is seen. Sun light is soon.
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Turkey has been inclined to rule by totalitarian regime. If you are disagree with the applications of the government, they criticize you as traitor. Society could not solve the problems in itself thanks to the polarization between political parties, Kurds and Sunnis, etc.. Many debatable issues are on the table waiting to be published to turn the agenda, just to prevent Turkey not to hear, not to talk about government's corruptions.
I am a Turkish citizen living in Japan. It is very sad to see Turkey is not on the right path for several years now. Not only she is getting away from being an EU member but also a Democracy living country. The ruling party and its former leader Erdogan, president of Turkey, keep surprising everyone including me with changing their track to totalitarianism.
I agree on every word Mr. Gulen states. I hope people in Turkey will once again exercise their rights to reclaim their future by giving the ruling party nice lesson with the new elections.
I agree on every word Mr. Gulen states. I hope people in Turkey will once again exercise their rights to reclaim their future by giving the ruling party nice lesson with the new elections.
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I stronglly aggry with the author. If we consider nowadays democratic condition of Turkey and compare to past, obviously outgoing dictatorship is carried out day by day. Erdogan regyme is no longer part of democratic world but still accusing the biggest man of peace Gulen, aims to hide of corruption and economic collapse.
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Everyone knows about Turkey. But nothing is same anymore in Turkey. There is a Tyran in Turkey who controls everything. You English speaking people maybe reads pool media and thinks about Mr Gulen is about to establish an Islamist Turkey but same pool media in Turkey accuses us to cooperate with CIA and MOSSAD. They have no skin if they had they wrote only one truth but they are lying to you and simple innocent and poor Turkish peoples. Our goal is simple , it is to establish peace on world. But Tyran and thief Erdogan accuses us with terrorism, did you see any weapon on us. But I think you know Erdogan supplies weapons to ISIS.
I think the ideas of Mr Gulen can be a huge contribution for understanding the middle-east for the journal.
It is very sad to see that Turkey is moving towards totalitarianism in the hands of a very popular elected government. The political leadership which was the hope of the masses for the underprivileged came out as a power hungry tyrant, has shattered the dreams of many people in Turkey. But a journey towards convalescence is not always easy. I guess the recent upheaval cannot prevent the upward journey of Turkey, since the democratic institutions and public support towards betterment are well established with the help of many public figures including Fethullah Gulen. Witnessing the shift towards extremism in many instances, I think we should support open minded and progressive groups in Turkey.
Regardless, Gulen and Erdogan they both are Islamist and TurkIsh Nationalists. Gulen has always been against Kurdish rights and Erdogan has proven his nationalist & Islamist stand by siding with ISIS against Kurds in Kobani, Syria. They both can not be a true representatives of an EU membership candidate; democratic Turkey
I believe the AKP lost a great opportunity to bring more democracy and human rights to a great country like Turkey. They had this chance by winning all elections in the last 12 years. When they were first elected, the western folks were questioning the AKP and Mr. Erdogan's sincerity/integrity whether they believe in the core values of democracy or they're going to use these steps to their true agenda. I just remember reading a lot of articles and watching many discussions on Turkish media about convincing European Union and the US on how Islam and democracy would work together and they even called that "Moderate Islam" in Turkey. Plus, Obama visited his first international trip to Turkey and gave a speech about Turkey's opportunity to become a role model in the region. However, all these ideas and suggestions collapsed after Gulen and Erdogan started having different approaches towards both domestic and international political issues. In the last year, each side started bringing out their opponent's weak sides to the public and it looks dirty to the Turkish society. In a brief ending, both leaders are envying each other and confusing their roles and especially Mr. Erdogan is acting like a religious movement leader instead of president of Turkey.
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Great article that summurize whats really happenning in Turkey. Let me give you some information about the Hizmet movement. I can say that our goal is building friendship, promoting dialogue and peace but not just in Turkey especially in the world. That's why the movement has many schools in many countries (nearly 160 countries). I think the government of Turkey couldn't handle with their intolerance against the movement. I suggest that follow the movement.
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This is a very good and fair explanation of what has been going on in Turkey for the last a couple of years.
There is nothing to be said to the truth.
There is nothing to be said to the truth.
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Fethullah Gulen is a proficient author with more than sixty books translated into many world languages, an imam, preacher, and civil society activist. He has been actively promoting interfaith and intercultural dialogue for over a decade, he was the first Muslim scholar to publicly condemn the attacks of 9/11 (in an advertisement in the Washington Post). He recognizes democracy as the only viable political system of governance. He helped publish a scholarly book on the Islamic perspective on terror and suicide attacks, condemning such acts on humanitarian and religious grounds. He did not express these views only to Western readers but voiced them in mosque sermons with congregations of thousands of Muslims. The most striking feature of his life is the fact that his vision and ideas have not remained rhetorical but instead have been realized globally as civic projects. Here, I see his contribution to his country by explaining with this writing what has been going on in Turkey.
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As a Bangladeshi teacher, I have read several books of Mr Fethullah Gulen whose books are available in my beloved country. After reading dozens of book suggested by my friends, I have clearly understood the philosophy of Mr Gulen especially after reading
1) No one can be a suicide bomber. No one can rush into crowds with bombs tied to his or her body. Regardless of the religion of these crowds, this is not religiously permissible. Even in the event of a war, during which it is difficult to maintain balances, this is not permitted in Islam, which states: "Do not touch children or people who worship in churches."
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2)Terrorism cannot be used to achieve any Islamic goal. No terrorist can be a Muslim, and no true Muslim can be a terrorist. Islam demands peace, and the Qur’an demands that every true Muslim be a symbol of peace and work to support the maintenance of basic human rights. If a ship is carrying nine criminals and one innocent person, Islam does not allow for the ship to be sunk in order to punish the nine criminals; doing so would violate the rights of the one innocent person.
As a practicing Muslim, Alhamdulillah (thanks Almighty), we need this voice....
We need tolerance, we need love of humanity, we need love for others.
Only this voice can solve the problems in the world.
Thank you Mr Gulen for your uniting ideas..
1) No one can be a suicide bomber. No one can rush into crowds with bombs tied to his or her body. Regardless of the religion of these crowds, this is not religiously permissible. Even in the event of a war, during which it is difficult to maintain balances, this is not permitted in Islam, which states: "Do not touch children or people who worship in churches."
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2)Terrorism cannot be used to achieve any Islamic goal. No terrorist can be a Muslim, and no true Muslim can be a terrorist. Islam demands peace, and the Qur’an demands that every true Muslim be a symbol of peace and work to support the maintenance of basic human rights. If a ship is carrying nine criminals and one innocent person, Islam does not allow for the ship to be sunk in order to punish the nine criminals; doing so would violate the rights of the one innocent person.
As a practicing Muslim, Alhamdulillah (thanks Almighty), we need this voice....
We need tolerance, we need love of humanity, we need love for others.
Only this voice can solve the problems in the world.
Thank you Mr Gulen for your uniting ideas..
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I would like to thank you Mr. Gulen for giving such a great interview and NY Times also deserves appreciation for its stance with Democracy and freedom of press.
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I have been far from Turkey for 7 years. Within these years, I have been observing Turkey and its struggling to become part of EU, to solve the major problems of Turkey, to be part of resolving the intercultural issues, to become a prominent member of BM, to be medium to solve the problems in Middle East and so on and so forth. I think Turkey had a very impressive progress regarding such issues until February 7 crisis. From this critical time up to now Turkey has changed its path. Everything changed and now Turkey tried to
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The problem in Turkey is that, gulen supporters want everything to be followed by laws and to no go out of democracy but erdogan tells that his opinion is law and democracy. All the world know that erdogan now is far from laws and democracy and he is getting further and further day by day
Throughout the Islamic history, scholars have enabled upholding of religious principles by standing up against despot rulers. The great Islamic scholar of today Mr Gulen is doing exactly that, defending core human values, the rule of law, justice and freedom.
Once acting democrat turned tyrant, Erdogan is busy pulling rabbits out of his hat to distract attention from his governments large scale corruption allegations.
Once acting democrat turned tyrant, Erdogan is busy pulling rabbits out of his hat to distract attention from his governments large scale corruption allegations.
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I voted for Erdogan many times before. I had thought, like many other people, that he was for basic human rights with no regard to people's ethnicity, religion, etc. I had really believed that he wouldn't oppress anyone in the country like the ones in the past. However, he unfortunately turned into an bully thanks to the conservative votes, and kept calling anyone he doesn't like a betrayer or a spy of foreign intelligence services. Now, he's the one who rules most of the Turkish media behind the scenes and can even blame the most innocent person of the world as being a villain. As for the Hizmet movement, yes; Hizmet movement once supported him big time. Yet, those were the days Erdogan was really trying to do good stuff in the country. What the leftists and secularists in Turkey will never understand is that since they are the natural rivals of Erdogan from the very beginning, they will keep blaming Hizmet for once-being-a-supporter-of-Erdogan. For them, if I think that one is really erroneous for the time being, it is only because there is a conflict of interest between me and that person. They think that otherwise I would have always thought the same for that specific person from the very beginning. They won't accept the fact that people can change and get corrupted. This is the case about Erdogan. He got poisoned by the power he has had for 12 years. He noticed that he can manipulate the laws in Turkey and do whatever he wants to do, and then he turned into a villain.
I agree with the disposition of the author. I felt like the then-prime minister (and current President) was voicing the truths and the policies that would uphold my rights and benefits as a Turkish citizen, would run the country with a full scale democracy, rule of law, freedom of expressions, equal civil rights. Therefore, I voted for him.
It is to my dismay now Turkey is heading to full authoritaniazm under the leadership of Mr. Erdogan. Here below are a few reasons why I feel disappointed:
1- The rule of law was suspended. They (The AKP deputies) are passing the bills that will help accomplish the goals they have on their agenda which are detrimental to my rights . (Intelligence bill, Magistrate court bill, the structure of board of judges and prosecutors bill and so on)
2- Passing a bill to shutdown twitter, facebook, youtube as it will limit my right to access information.
3-Prosecuting and ultimately jailing the journalists and dissent who criticize the administration`s policies.
4-Passing a bill to shutdown education centers eventhough it is against the free enterprise in democracies.
5-Most recently apprehending the governance of a private banking institute (Bankasya) using the goverment power and bypassing the legal procedures.
I am appalled and very concerned with the current direction of my country
It is to my dismay now Turkey is heading to full authoritaniazm under the leadership of Mr. Erdogan. Here below are a few reasons why I feel disappointed:
1- The rule of law was suspended. They (The AKP deputies) are passing the bills that will help accomplish the goals they have on their agenda which are detrimental to my rights . (Intelligence bill, Magistrate court bill, the structure of board of judges and prosecutors bill and so on)
2- Passing a bill to shutdown twitter, facebook, youtube as it will limit my right to access information.
3-Prosecuting and ultimately jailing the journalists and dissent who criticize the administration`s policies.
4-Passing a bill to shutdown education centers eventhough it is against the free enterprise in democracies.
5-Most recently apprehending the governance of a private banking institute (Bankasya) using the goverment power and bypassing the legal procedures.
I am appalled and very concerned with the current direction of my country
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The article sums uo the sad situation in Turkey. It is almost a plea to the government officials to not to undermine the democratic wins over the last ten years.
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What is going on in Turkey is explained a very good clearly in this article.
So far I was very excited about Turkey's future. I believed Erdogan that he might be the person to develop Turkey democracy and human right and expect be model for Middle East countries. Unfortunately, he disappointed Turkish people. Totally agree with author underlying.
Nowadays, I believe that Turkish people will understand that we need to pay much for obtaining real democracy in Turkey.
I totally agree Mr.Gulen for hoping good days in Turkey and pray for beautiful days for all part of Turkish people.
Based on my personal experience and what I learned through Turkish and Western media Fethullah Gulen is an advocate of democracy. He has always supported the democratization of Turkey. Erdogan started very pragmatic in office promotion liberal democracy however he is establishing his authoritarian "pseudo religious" government.
Detaining and arresting people in order to cover up a corruption is sign of a very weak character. I feel Erdogan has deceived his own people.
US and the West has to push Turkey back to the commitment of the rule of law, democracy and human rights.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey,
So far I was very excited about Turkey's future. I believed Erdogan that he might be the person to develop Turkey democracy and human right and expect be model for Middle East countries. Unfortunately, he disappointed Turkish people. Totally agree with author underlying.
Nowadays, I believe that Turkish people will understand that we need to pay much for obtaining real democracy in Turkey.
I totally agree Mr.Gulen for hoping good days in Turkey and pray for beautiful days for all part of Turkish people.
Based on my personal experience and what I learned through Turkish and Western media Fethullah Gulen is an advocate of democracy. He has always supported the democratization of Turkey. Erdogan started very pragmatic in office promotion liberal democracy however he is establishing his authoritarian "pseudo religious" government.
Detaining and arresting people in order to cover up a corruption is sign of a very weak character. I feel Erdogan has deceived his own people.
US and the West has to push Turkey back to the commitment of the rule of law, democracy and human rights.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey,
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As Turkish citizenship living in Philippines
By this article we can understand excatly what is going on in Turkey for the last year. Every country needs democracy and Turkish people deserves democracy.
An additional thank you NY times
By this article we can understand excatly what is going on in Turkey for the last year. Every country needs democracy and Turkish people deserves democracy.
An additional thank you NY times
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This article is really summarize what is happening in between governing party in Turkey and Hizmet movement. Actually this is very sad that everyone in the world sees this movement as a peace act but not these people in AKP.
I am really glad that as a well known newspaper NYTimes has an objective lens when they are describing the situations. This is what we missed in Turkish counterparts.
Especially after the pool media has been setup by governing party, they use media as a tool to tell lies for everyone that does not support their benefits.
I am not a political scientist or economist but it is very obvious that they will lose their power sooner or later and when they will, no one will walk their side for sure.
I am really glad that as a well known newspaper NYTimes has an objective lens when they are describing the situations. This is what we missed in Turkish counterparts.
Especially after the pool media has been setup by governing party, they use media as a tool to tell lies for everyone that does not support their benefits.
I am not a political scientist or economist but it is very obvious that they will lose their power sooner or later and when they will, no one will walk their side for sure.
In my opinion, it is not fair to accuse Gulen and the movement of being undemocratic and creating the evil called “Erdogan”. Every person, in essence, deserves the benefit of the doubt. This is what Gulen and a lot of people (like me) did by voting and opting for the AKP. It was not (blindly) a strategic alliance, but more the fact that the ideals brought them on the same page: transparent open democracy, universal human rights, EU membership and giving the (deserved) basic human right to minorities such as Kurds, Alevites, Christians and Jews.
Turkey was on the right path, but along the road Erdogan (and his party) became corrupt and went astray from this path, thus not being on the same page with Gulen and "Hizmet-movement". Erdogan was criticised for not being democratic and excluding minorities and a large part of the society. He cannot handle any criticism and started a with hunt. now shouting that he does not need the EU and is isolating the whole country from the rest of the world, Putin-esk behaviour.
Contrary to Gulen, because his ideals are still the same and have not changed. even a pioneer in my opinion, as he stated once: “We do not need more mosques, rather we need more schools.”
I underline the fact that in the past the Turkish people have rejected elected leaders who strayed from a democratic path. I am hopeful that the people will exercise democratic rights again to reclaim the future of their country And go towards a democratic, liberal, open Turkey.
Turkey was on the right path, but along the road Erdogan (and his party) became corrupt and went astray from this path, thus not being on the same page with Gulen and "Hizmet-movement". Erdogan was criticised for not being democratic and excluding minorities and a large part of the society. He cannot handle any criticism and started a with hunt. now shouting that he does not need the EU and is isolating the whole country from the rest of the world, Putin-esk behaviour.
Contrary to Gulen, because his ideals are still the same and have not changed. even a pioneer in my opinion, as he stated once: “We do not need more mosques, rather we need more schools.”
I underline the fact that in the past the Turkish people have rejected elected leaders who strayed from a democratic path. I am hopeful that the people will exercise democratic rights again to reclaim the future of their country And go towards a democratic, liberal, open Turkey.
That's a very informative article about the situations in Turkey right now. Turkey's democracy is under attack by its own government. The decision makers of Turkey make black propagation against a civil movement to cover a huge corruption done by government members. Their only purpose is to keep their leadership forever whatever it takes. That's unacceptable by its own citizens.
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Very good article. A wonderful summery of recent events in Turkey. Mr. Gulen nicely summarizes the current government's curtailment of democracy.
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Greate article. You can see how turkey makes a step backwards and this just because of the government. The government destroys the development of the own country. Unfortunalety, doesn't stop to destroy it. Everyone knows that hizmet isn't a part of the terrorism, on the contrary, it is just fighting for frienship and peace on the world. It's just saying that everyone no matter what skincolour he has o which language he speaks is a friend of the other one. Why some people can't understand it???
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Nice article. It is encouraging to see a Muslim scholar standing up for democracy and basic human rights.
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Another Obama accomplishment - the loss of Turkey to radical Islam.
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As a Turkish citizen I want more democracy, and I worry for my country because of the actions of Turkey's ruling party, known as AKP. I want to thank to Mr. Gulen for being our voice with this article.
I spent several weeks in Turkey last year, traveling from Gallipoli (Canakkale) to the southern coast, up into farthest eastern Anatolia, then Cappadocia , and then back again to Istanbul. When away from
the "tourist" areas, especially in the conservative countryside, I was struck by the incidences of outright hostility I encountered - and after discussion with what I could only term moderate Turks in Istanbul, it appeared to be a product of the highly conservative government and it's influence. I am no tyro when it comes to travel in remote areas nor those of potential danger (retired Marine, two wars, former Africa specialist) but I felt a need to start practicing some old-fashioned situational awareness after a couple of incidents which I was not expecting. Having worked closely with Turks before, and admiring them, I was taken aback by these experiences. Anecdotal yes, but it has colored my views of what is underway in Turkey - especially as it relates to current government efforts to roll back some of the societal gains made under Kemal Ataturk.
the "tourist" areas, especially in the conservative countryside, I was struck by the incidences of outright hostility I encountered - and after discussion with what I could only term moderate Turks in Istanbul, it appeared to be a product of the highly conservative government and it's influence. I am no tyro when it comes to travel in remote areas nor those of potential danger (retired Marine, two wars, former Africa specialist) but I felt a need to start practicing some old-fashioned situational awareness after a couple of incidents which I was not expecting. Having worked closely with Turks before, and admiring them, I was taken aback by these experiences. Anecdotal yes, but it has colored my views of what is underway in Turkey - especially as it relates to current government efforts to roll back some of the societal gains made under Kemal Ataturk.
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I totally agree with the author. I personally know some of the volunteers in this movement. Their only goal is building friendship, promoting dialogue and peace in the world. They are trying to embracing diversity and building tolerance in society.
Democracy in Turkey is having hard time recently. Ruling party is now oppressing all groups against them. They are blaming Hizmet movement to hide their corruptions. I hope they will not be able to reach their goals and democracy in Turkey will start to rise again.
Democracy in Turkey is having hard time recently. Ruling party is now oppressing all groups against them. They are blaming Hizmet movement to hide their corruptions. I hope they will not be able to reach their goals and democracy in Turkey will start to rise again.
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Mr. Gulen is a shining beacon of light for the future of Turkey. I hope that the harms caused by the current government will end shortly.
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once there was a country I was hopeful for. I used to tell my friends Turkey was progressing into more democratic, value oriented, where human rights are respected and appreciated. Alas, those dreams faded away each day. Once Fethullah Gulen was a close ally of Erdogan. During those days A.K.P. and hizmets agenda were similar. More democratic country, accepting one another, entering into E.U. However, who is ignoring the West and its values? Erdogan accused Gulen of working with "Mossad" and West to undermine Turkey...Ohh my beloved country, you don't deserve this ruling, but unless you speak up what is right, it will be like this for some time.
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The first thing that people need to know, Gulen wasn't an ally of Erdogan or AKP, as mainstream media says. Gulen movement was often supporting AKP's strategies. Being allies means that they plan and execute strategies together, however this is totally a different case.
Second, Erdogan was ready to fight anyone who stand against his strategies. "His strategies" because he is ruling the party and government by himself. The Turkish Parliament hasn't been so suppressed this aggressively, not even after the military coups.
Second, Erdogan was ready to fight anyone who stand against his strategies. "His strategies" because he is ruling the party and government by himself. The Turkish Parliament hasn't been so suppressed this aggressively, not even after the military coups.
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Thank you for publishing this article. Everyone needs to see how Turkey's reputation in the whole world is being damaged. Public perception has been altered severely by lies and unjust rulings. A great number of people were made to believe that Hizmet Movement is harmful to the society and a threat to the government even though it's so far away from being anything like that. Democracy is about to be shelved in Turkey and this is going to impact everyone including those who are not affiliated with the movement.
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Democracy is crucial not only for countries and nations but everybody. This article sets light to every dark points of democracy problems clearly.
Tomorrow's headline: Turkish parliament moves swiftly to ban access to nytimes.com and other "insidious western propaganda outlets bent on undermining Turkey."
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Great article. A wonderful summery of recent events in Turkey. Mr. Gulen nicely summarizes the current government's curtailment of democracy.
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By this article we can understand excatly what is going on in Turkey for the last year. Every country needs democracy and Turkish people deserves democracy.
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This article outlines what any conscientious person would have to say concerning the Turkish government's cruel actions against its own people. It is always easy to cast aspersions upon good people as in McChartyism or current witch hunting in Turkey. However, history never stops recording...
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Fettullah Gulen is one of the best scholar in the world . It is a pleasure to see this article in such a world wide read newspaper . Having said that as Turkish born US citizen I am deeply concerned with
Pressure from government to silence free media
And it's sponsors .
Pressure from government to silence free media
And it's sponsors .
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Mr. Fethullah Gulen is one of the greatest person I have ever met. I thank New York Times to have this Article. Mr. Fethullah Gulen is a wonderful preacher who has been thought us how to be a good person, how much important to love each other. He has been served to humanity since he's teenager. He never thought any benefit for himself by helping other people. I feel myself very lucky just knowing him and feeling his existence in the world. Thanks again New York Times
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What a timely and insightful,wellwritten article from a world wide known and respected scholar, Fethullah Gulen. I am also pretty much disappointed with the total transformation of AKP Party from a democrat party into a dictatorship with the leadership of Erdogan.
I am upset about watching my country's turning into a authoritarian regimes of AKP elites. Many thanks to NYT for publishing this great article in such a needed time.
I am upset about watching my country's turning into a authoritarian regimes of AKP elites. Many thanks to NYT for publishing this great article in such a needed time.
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As far as Mr.Gulen's Islamic and democratic profili is concerned, his article on the corrupted democratic atmosphere in Turkey gives us an opportunity to see the general view of recent situation in Turkey. Erdogan's continual attack on the core tenets of democracy has turned upside down the democratic system in Turkey. His greedy and despotic wishes to organize a system in which he will be able to prolong his so-called caliphate or sultanate has resulted in a totalitarian government system. At this point Mr.Gulen has tried to warn him against this fatal threat which is also called losing the self-integrity and balance. Erdogan's illegal acts on gaining money and bribery have forced him to create a non-real enemy called parallel state. All Erdogan's criticism to Mr.Gulen and Hizmet movement can be traced from his endeavor and struggle to cover his illegal acts.
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It is sad to see Turkey losing trust in the world. A democratic Turkey respecting human rights and the rule of law is an important factor in the stability of the Middle East.
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Mr Gulen clearly portreys the current political aura of Turkey and what has been going on for about a year and a half. Turkey's democracy is under serious attack by its very own government.
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Mr. Gulen mentioned very important things that's unfortunately happening now in Turkey . I hope Mr. Erdogan and his group stop that undemocratic treatments as soon as possible. Our hope and prayer for our country.
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Unfortunately AKP has been doing all these violent discriminations since 20011, now it has become a shame to be Turkey's citizen. I know all these started after their corruptions, but their current approach is worse
Erdogan was once a hero in the eyes of more than 50% of Turkish people. Erdogan and his party was once a champion of freedom against the military intervention, they made some progress toward European Union Membership, and the economy was way better compared to the previous terms before him. This lasted around 8-9 years of his initial terms between 2002 and 2011.
After they assured the military is no longer a threat to their government, they started to change their attitude towards the different sections of general public. Erdogan recently started to use a new cliché that "He, his party, and his loyal supporters are building the NEW TURKEY". So far these are some of signs of NEW TURKEY;
- a huge corruption network among government officials including ministers and the supporting businessmen
- Media, that has been taken over by the government first and given to the party supporters. This media is of course at his full service now.
- a promise to re-write constitution just for the sake of bringing "Presidential Democracy!" instead of the current parliamentary democracy.
- Trying to shut down any media outlet (TV, newspapers) by arresting journalists, media executives, and sending government inspectors and writing huge monetary punishments,
Mr. Gulen and his supporters are only one group among the people who have been discriminated by Erdogan and his NEW TURKEY supporters.
I personally thank NY Times to let voice of Turkish people be heard in these difficult times.
After they assured the military is no longer a threat to their government, they started to change their attitude towards the different sections of general public. Erdogan recently started to use a new cliché that "He, his party, and his loyal supporters are building the NEW TURKEY". So far these are some of signs of NEW TURKEY;
- a huge corruption network among government officials including ministers and the supporting businessmen
- Media, that has been taken over by the government first and given to the party supporters. This media is of course at his full service now.
- a promise to re-write constitution just for the sake of bringing "Presidential Democracy!" instead of the current parliamentary democracy.
- Trying to shut down any media outlet (TV, newspapers) by arresting journalists, media executives, and sending government inspectors and writing huge monetary punishments,
Mr. Gulen and his supporters are only one group among the people who have been discriminated by Erdogan and his NEW TURKEY supporters.
I personally thank NY Times to let voice of Turkish people be heard in these difficult times.
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You can easily understand Fethullah Gulen's quality of thought from the article. He summarizes the situation in Turkey in a best possible way, not attacking any person in particular. Turkey is a great country and I strongly believe that bright future is near.
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Thanks to the New York Times for including such a great article from a well known Turkish writer. It is inspiring to see more of these articles reflecting the true values of the Hizmet movement around the world.
Keep up the good work NYT. True journalism.
Keep up the good work NYT. True journalism.
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I would like to congratulate NY Times and Its Editors for publishing this article. Through such media we can only defend our democratic rights. I wish also someday, media in Turkey can be free from all government pressures to voice their difference of opinions and world views.
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I would like to thank the NY Times for providing Mr. Gulen an opportunity to explain what has been going on in Turkey recently. I have been following Mr. Gulen for many years and greatly admire his works.
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In his article the respectable Turkish Islamic scholar Fethullah Gulen gives an accurate picture of the recent situation in Turkey. He underlines the significance of democracy in Turkey that is undergoing a big crisis under the ruling of the A.K.P. government. He suggests that democracy is necessary in todays world and that everything necessary should be done to restore it.
It is a pity those people who are fighting against injustice are facing injustice. The article makes it clear that this insanity should stop as soon as possible. Throughout the years the Hizmet movement proved through its efforts that Turkey and the world deserve better which is only possible with peace and democracy.
It is a pity those people who are fighting against injustice are facing injustice. The article makes it clear that this insanity should stop as soon as possible. Throughout the years the Hizmet movement proved through its efforts that Turkey and the world deserve better which is only possible with peace and democracy.
As a Turkish citizen living in Australia, I am very disappointed because of undemocratic implementations by Erdogan since 17 December 2014. Erdogan Government has been trying to hide what has happened in Turkey on 17 December 2014 and to create an excuse for the corruption scandal his close friends and family members involved. Hizmet Movement had a good reputation on Erdogan's eye until the corruption scandal erupted. I know too much Mr Gulen who has supported democracy, the importance of education, promoted free speech and interfaith dialogue since 1965. The ones who have opportunity to access his books and weekly sermons on his website will see that Mr Gulen has been consistent for more than 50 years on the matters he stated on this article.
it is the Erdogan Government which changed its agenda after the general elections took place in 2011.
it is the Erdogan Government which changed its agenda after the general elections took place in 2011.
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Excellent. These words are very meaningful notes to history. Fethullah Gulen and people who are inspired by him choose to be in the right side of the history. Gulen who is man of principle inspires mass in Turkey against corruption. Meanwhile, the direction of authoritarian government sent troops to Bank Asya, honest people who believe the virtues of democracy stand and resist against these cruel act. Congratulations nytimes.. I hope freedom of press will be a model for Turkey in the future..
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Mr. Gülen believes that dialogue is among the duties of muslim in order to make to make the world more peacefull place. He promotes a cooperatin civilizations through dialogue. Mutual understand, gathering among common things. I have learnt from Fethullah Gulen that to love humanity regardless of religion race. He lives for others. He alao stress out that seek for happines, happines of others. ..
In the world he recieved so many peace buldiers awards.
In the world he recieved so many peace buldiers awards.
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It is only fair to look at someone's acts and deeds holistically before making a judgement about their character, motives or the movement they're leading. Fethullah Gulen and the Hizmet movement's efforts for the advancement of peace and justice throughout the world are testimony to what they stand for. Assuming and attributing ulterior intentions and agendas without recognising the transparent acts of self-sacrifice and devotion to humanitarian progress is not reasonable.
Feeding on the society's sentiments concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict, the Kurdish issue and religious freedom has carried the AKP very far in terms of political support but this does not grant them the right to alter mechanisms of the law to undertake a rage-driven attack on a social and civic movement.
Everyone has the freedom to support political views or opinions they see aligned with their perception of truth and justice. Everyone should also have the freedom to end their support for a political organisation which they no longer believe represents the truth and justice. Hizmet movement's stance against the AKP does not have to be seen as anything more than this. Everyone also has the right to defend themselves against accusations and defamation. Hizmet movement in this respect definitely deserves the right to have its say and clarify its position. I applaud the NYT for acknowledging this and featuring this article.
Feeding on the society's sentiments concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict, the Kurdish issue and religious freedom has carried the AKP very far in terms of political support but this does not grant them the right to alter mechanisms of the law to undertake a rage-driven attack on a social and civic movement.
Everyone has the freedom to support political views or opinions they see aligned with their perception of truth and justice. Everyone should also have the freedom to end their support for a political organisation which they no longer believe represents the truth and justice. Hizmet movement's stance against the AKP does not have to be seen as anything more than this. Everyone also has the right to defend themselves against accusations and defamation. Hizmet movement in this respect definitely deserves the right to have its say and clarify its position. I applaud the NYT for acknowledging this and featuring this article.
I would like to thank New York times for posting this article, and I wish everyone would read it and have an insight as to what is happening in Turkey. Unfortunately many people are blind to what is going on in Turkey , since the media is controlled by the government, and those who are opposing the injustices are being arrested and detained. If and when the general public gets affected with this new " totalitarian" era in Turkey, then maybe they will open up their eyes and pay attention to other "truths". I just hope and pray that we get back democracy in Turkey and people are treated fairly and equally.
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Really thank you for publishing this splendid article giving us to see the clear brief picture of what's going on in turkey these days.
Mr. Gülen, as being a international world figure and heritage of all of us/ whole humanity, thought us the eternal truths and invite all of us regardless of our color, race, faith etc. to meet in mutual values and meet in international mutual human Virtues in the world, on the way/ path to eternity. Learned from him that; Being on the path to the eternal life, having been invited by the Eternal One, it' s worthless to quarrel or to senseless to fight each other, under the sovereignty of the Eternal One. We can live together and feel the universal brotherhood in peace, in tolerance as being the chilren of the same father and mother, on the broad way to the paradise. We are the cells of the same body; flowers, leaves, fruits of the same magnificent universe tree and must help each other to live better and happier with mutual human virtues/good deeds whatever their names are in different parts of the worlds; democracy, tolerance, human rights, freedom and so on. Luckily and thanks Allah million times that we have the chance to meet and recognize this world humanity doctor.
Mr. Gülen, as being a international world figure and heritage of all of us/ whole humanity, thought us the eternal truths and invite all of us regardless of our color, race, faith etc. to meet in mutual values and meet in international mutual human Virtues in the world, on the way/ path to eternity. Learned from him that; Being on the path to the eternal life, having been invited by the Eternal One, it' s worthless to quarrel or to senseless to fight each other, under the sovereignty of the Eternal One. We can live together and feel the universal brotherhood in peace, in tolerance as being the chilren of the same father and mother, on the broad way to the paradise. We are the cells of the same body; flowers, leaves, fruits of the same magnificent universe tree and must help each other to live better and happier with mutual human virtues/good deeds whatever their names are in different parts of the worlds; democracy, tolerance, human rights, freedom and so on. Luckily and thanks Allah million times that we have the chance to meet and recognize this world humanity doctor.
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Thanks to the Newyork Times for publishing Mr Gulen's valuable thoughts. His vision and intellectual approach of solving problems will make Turkey and the world better place. Peace, education and the dialog terms became applicable for us with his guidance.
I would like to thank NYTIMES for allowing its readers to read this article by Mr.Fethullah Gulen who enlightens us on the current situation in Turkey. It is my hope and dream that we will benefit from this article.once again thank you
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Such a well written article! It tells of what Erdogan and his (former?) party AKP has become in such a few years. Not only observing muslims, but also moderates and even seculars have supported what AKP was presumed to be standing for back then; the human rights, democracy, joining EU, individual freedoms. The support was not for AKP but their efforts for betterment of human rights and democracy. Or we thought so, that their efforts were for.
As of this hour, there were news of Turkish Govt trying to seize a bank close to Gulen Movement, illegally and defying all national and international banking laws.
The difference between Erdogan and Gulen are not tactical and personal -as mentioned in a comment here-, but is a difference in every possible way in opposite directions: religious, social, humanitarian, judicial, political, etc. Erdogan has no respect for others but lots of hatred, no respect for law, no respect for checks and balances, and absolutely no respect for separation of powers. He certainly has a taste for spending precious resources of his country for a lavish life.
As of this hour, there were news of Turkish Govt trying to seize a bank close to Gulen Movement, illegally and defying all national and international banking laws.
The difference between Erdogan and Gulen are not tactical and personal -as mentioned in a comment here-, but is a difference in every possible way in opposite directions: religious, social, humanitarian, judicial, political, etc. Erdogan has no respect for others but lots of hatred, no respect for law, no respect for checks and balances, and absolutely no respect for separation of powers. He certainly has a taste for spending precious resources of his country for a lavish life.
Mr. Gulen, in his speeches and writings, urges his audience to search for the truth by establishing a balance between martial and spiritual values. His role is to encourage the establishment of schools worldwide by providing a balanced and well rounded education of tomorrow's professionals by advising current students with stronger knowledge and resourceful skills demanded by modern life as well as ethical value. "So, verily, with every difficulty, there is relief. Verily, with every difficulty, there is RELIEF" (Insirah Suresi, 5).
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Wonderful words and clear expressions.
What has happened recently couldn't be summarized better than this.
Thanks to NYT for spreading this statement
What has happened recently couldn't be summarized better than this.
Thanks to NYT for spreading this statement
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What now happens in Turkey with BankAsya is just what mister Gulen want to tell us. "There is no space for those who don't vote AKP. Even not for their bank"... Very weird!! A government is busy to shutdown a private bank. This tell me enough about the ondemocratic ways going on in Turkey
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I thank New York Times for this wonderful article. This will be a historic piece which describes today's Turkey very well. I wish success to my friends in Turkey in their efforts to develop a free and democratic country. I pray God to save them from Erdogan.
Let the actions speak for themselves.. I think this quote summarizes the situation very well...
When you take a slight look at what these two "leaders" in Turkey -one is spiritual whereas the other is political- speak of and do, everything is clear for those who really would like to see the truth.
Mr. Gulen, with his humble lifestyle, teachings and preaching, inspired nothing but peace and good deeds, sincerity in faith and dedication to others, His life has been screened for at least 50 years by both his followers and his critics. Is there any single evidence or utterance that he is aiming for caliphate or any political position? No. Any call for a bad deed? No.
Whereas, Mr. Erdogan, with his luxurious lifestyle, has been using every tool, legitimate or illegitimate, to maintain his power. There passes almost no day on which his words or actions contradict his previous ones. No need to mention all those proofs of corruption, even we as regular people can see everywhere in media. No need to mention the hatred speech he uses, and the accusations of treason for millions of innocent people!
A muslim is supposed to watch what comes out of his mouth since he/she is responsible for what he/she utters and claims both in this world and especially in afterlife. I do not think Mr. Erdogan seems to have such considerations, while Mr. Gulen has always been kind and demonstrated his high character despite the dirty language by the other.
When you take a slight look at what these two "leaders" in Turkey -one is spiritual whereas the other is political- speak of and do, everything is clear for those who really would like to see the truth.
Mr. Gulen, with his humble lifestyle, teachings and preaching, inspired nothing but peace and good deeds, sincerity in faith and dedication to others, His life has been screened for at least 50 years by both his followers and his critics. Is there any single evidence or utterance that he is aiming for caliphate or any political position? No. Any call for a bad deed? No.
Whereas, Mr. Erdogan, with his luxurious lifestyle, has been using every tool, legitimate or illegitimate, to maintain his power. There passes almost no day on which his words or actions contradict his previous ones. No need to mention all those proofs of corruption, even we as regular people can see everywhere in media. No need to mention the hatred speech he uses, and the accusations of treason for millions of innocent people!
A muslim is supposed to watch what comes out of his mouth since he/she is responsible for what he/she utters and claims both in this world and especially in afterlife. I do not think Mr. Erdogan seems to have such considerations, while Mr. Gulen has always been kind and demonstrated his high character despite the dirty language by the other.
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As a Turk living in Australia; a country regarded as one of the leading exponents of democracy, I am concerned like a lot of people within Turkey and abroad re the latest developments there.
My views on Fethullah Gulen is that he has always been a voice of reason. Even during periods of volatility he has exuberated calm and urged people to approach matters wisely, without emotives to ensure a sensible outcome is achieved. What he has called for in this article - democracy, human rights & equality, basic freedoms and rule of law are what he has asked for several decades ago.
People accuse him of once being a cohort of the AKP, and now since the falling out see him as a threat as well. How can a private citizen who has encouraged support and dissent to be displayed within the bounds of democratic rule and within the confines of law, be seen as a traitor usurping for power !
I wish there were independent commissions setup to watch out for corrupt activity within the state because what we're seeing from the AKP is nepotism and an autocratic rule disguised in theocracy. This is how they're manipulating the emotions of the lay people to keep on winning elections.
Finally, Turkey also suffers from a lack of alternatives. There's no centre-right or centre-left democratic party to challenge the AKP as they have that ground covered. Without viable alternatives, Turkey is in a no win situation.
My views on Fethullah Gulen is that he has always been a voice of reason. Even during periods of volatility he has exuberated calm and urged people to approach matters wisely, without emotives to ensure a sensible outcome is achieved. What he has called for in this article - democracy, human rights & equality, basic freedoms and rule of law are what he has asked for several decades ago.
People accuse him of once being a cohort of the AKP, and now since the falling out see him as a threat as well. How can a private citizen who has encouraged support and dissent to be displayed within the bounds of democratic rule and within the confines of law, be seen as a traitor usurping for power !
I wish there were independent commissions setup to watch out for corrupt activity within the state because what we're seeing from the AKP is nepotism and an autocratic rule disguised in theocracy. This is how they're manipulating the emotions of the lay people to keep on winning elections.
Finally, Turkey also suffers from a lack of alternatives. There's no centre-right or centre-left democratic party to challenge the AKP as they have that ground covered. Without viable alternatives, Turkey is in a no win situation.
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I would like to thank the NYTimes to give mister Gulen the possibility to explain which stance he has about Turkey. Their is a Turkish proverb: A real friend tells the bitter truth. And knowing mister Gulen as a full love for his country, it makes sense that he is telling about the unfair political affairs to protect his country of downward fall. Unfortunately, this is not appreciated by the Turkish political party, AKP, and labelled him as a threat for his party and take it personally by Tayyip Erdogan. So, you see nonsensical and ridiculous arestaties. Moreover, people is humiliated if they are not agree with the stand of the AKP. Their is no freedom of opinion, what is the basic of democracy!
The article has been written well and explains the situation in Turkey with precise and accurate description. Turkey's political leaders have achieved to take Turkey back to the unstable non-democratic period, when we actually thought that the country was heading towards being accepted as a democratic society where freedom of speech was provided.
Unfortunately, the current government has lost the plot and is fast sinking in the compulsive actions taken as a measure to hide the wrong doings, corruption etc. carried out while in power.
It is a great disappointment and saddening to see people of Turkey just sitting back and observing what is happening, when people from across all nations across the world, can see a clearer picture of the misleading actions taken by the government.
Unfortunately, the current government has lost the plot and is fast sinking in the compulsive actions taken as a measure to hide the wrong doings, corruption etc. carried out while in power.
It is a great disappointment and saddening to see people of Turkey just sitting back and observing what is happening, when people from across all nations across the world, can see a clearer picture of the misleading actions taken by the government.
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Thanks to Mr.Gulen's precious ideas millions of people spread around the world that people who sacrifice joy of the world to sake of Turkey's peacefulness and democratization.I really got inspiration from his speeches,books,and etc.And I see that he is one of the most advocated person that I have known.It was a great article.
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The arguments in this article and my observations for the last few years of Turkey are very much aligned. Turkeys economy is being stabbed in the back by totalitarian actions. The president of Turkey is going outside of the line of law to save his own neck from scandalous crimes. I am hopeful that Turkey will have better days in the near future because I believe Turkish people still embrace democratic values.
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Current situation in Turkey is indeed saddening, since turning back from modernizing Turkey and undoing every big or little democratic gains and accomplishments of Turkish people, have now become the hardest obstacle to overcome, by hands of Erdogan himself. Calling Erdogan a 'patriot' or a 'hero' would have been true till 2010-2011 just because of his administration's accomplishments on Turkey's human rights and institutionalization of democracy in government. However after he won the third parliament elections, he started to reveal his secret agenda that was going to lead the country into a dictatorship.Then, we apparently see that his 2023 goals, what he is aggressively trying to achieve, are all about only building his dynasty and dictatorship.
Mr. Gulen and his movement, like every one of us in the west, supported Erdogan till 2010-2011 only because he was successful on improving Turkey's democracy. And as far as I know, Hizmet people and Mr. Gulen did not support him when his moves made people suspicious whether he stays on the same page as he used to be before, and Once they saw that his intentions are not safe for the country, they pulled their support back.
I believe that Mr. Gulen is very respected scholar and I do not think that he or hizmet people would do anything against the favor of their country. It is so apparent that they only go by their principle but not any other individual including Mr. Gulen himself.They just tend to support the pursuer of the good.
Mr. Gulen and his movement, like every one of us in the west, supported Erdogan till 2010-2011 only because he was successful on improving Turkey's democracy. And as far as I know, Hizmet people and Mr. Gulen did not support him when his moves made people suspicious whether he stays on the same page as he used to be before, and Once they saw that his intentions are not safe for the country, they pulled their support back.
I believe that Mr. Gulen is very respected scholar and I do not think that he or hizmet people would do anything against the favor of their country. It is so apparent that they only go by their principle but not any other individual including Mr. Gulen himself.They just tend to support the pursuer of the good.
I really thank Mr. Fethullah Gulen for this eye opening assessments about Turkey and its ongoing political disorder. He shed light on various vital points open for objective investigations. I would like to call people’s attention to the third paragraph “checks and balances” section. It is a sort of an objective and reliable measurement that everyone should apply it to evaluate these kinds of complicated social or political disputes anywhere in the world. If one side is open for any challenge for the sake of transparency, this should be a convincing and credible way for those who put all prejudices or biases aside and really tries to understand the facts of Turkey. What is going on between Hizmet Movement and Mr.Erdogan in Turkey can be articulated after applying this simple but well functioning method. On one hand, you can see people from Hizmet Movement around everywhere in the World and basically you can check each one of them with this measurement and make your own decision. Please trust your senses after a short interaction with any member of it. However, I don’t think there is a chance for you to be even close to asking A.K.P. delegates a very simple question about the corruption in Turkey. If you can, please do it as well, and again trust your senses. I think, as Mr. Gulen pointed out, all problems emerged because of lack of the transparency or Mr. Erdogan’s and the government’s persistency against properly working “Check and Balance” system in Turkey.
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I loved the article. It really explain very well the last one year of Turkey. Unfortunately Turkey and the World have been faced with a new autocratic leader who is the former leader of the ruling party. I''m sure the system he is trying to build will be collapsed very very soon because that's against the nature of human-being.
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Democracy is under attack in Turkey. Unfortunately, the head of Turkey and his government created an enemy to close their emberrassing and unacceptable theft, And it seems they will do more to close it. Turkey need democracy and more freedom.
Thanks to mr. Gulen and NYT for the article. Mr. Gulen showed again hizmet movement is against all kind of illegal activities.
Thanks to mr. Gulen and NYT for the article. Mr. Gulen showed again hizmet movement is against all kind of illegal activities.
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For full-disclosure, I would be considered a "Gulenist" by many, since like Mr. Gulen, I also find happiness in the happiness of others and I live my life based on this principle. That being said, it is saddening to see that when Mr. Gulen accurately describes the egregious situation in Turkey, instead of reflecting on the gravity of the situation, most seculars react with "oh, you once were partners". What is even more tragic, is that they base this on no evidence whatsoever, but on pure rumors and slander, much like those Mr. Erdogan currently uses as a pretext to crackdown on Hizmet Movement, and so far without success. If even a speck of those claims were true, Mr. Erdogan would have happily used it to legally declare Hizmet Movement as a criminal organization. But so far, despite having replaced all of the judiciary and police force with his vassals, the only charge against the movement has been about a fictional scenario in a TV series. This further proves that all those claims are nothing but rumors.
Having seen so many Machiavellis throughout the history of Turkey, the doubt in the motives of Mr. Gulen is understandable. However, unlike Mr. Erdogan who has contradicted himself over and over again, proving his expediency, Mr. Gulen has never ever strayed from his principles. I urge you to do some research and critical thinking, and see what evidence you can produce that would suggest that Mr. Gulen has a shady agenda.
Having seen so many Machiavellis throughout the history of Turkey, the doubt in the motives of Mr. Gulen is understandable. However, unlike Mr. Erdogan who has contradicted himself over and over again, proving his expediency, Mr. Gulen has never ever strayed from his principles. I urge you to do some research and critical thinking, and see what evidence you can produce that would suggest that Mr. Gulen has a shady agenda.
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As a Turkish Citizen living in the US which is the most democratic country in the world, we are watching regrettably how our own country goes away from the humanitarian laws, democracy and freedom day by day. We really worry about the future of Turkey. This party (AKP) did not only divide the whole country into two pieces but also the families, friends and relatives. There is a major population who still supports this dictatorial regime because of some economical reasons and a big portion of this population is the most ignorant people of the country. They are persuaded by very cheap words. They cannot see how this person, Erdogan, drags the country to a disaster for only saving himself and his family. When they realize the truth, it will be very late.
Thank you very much for issuing Gulen's article, who sacrificed his life for the world piece, education and interfaith dialog which we believe the only thing that the humanity need for a better world.
Thank you very much for issuing Gulen's article, who sacrificed his life for the world piece, education and interfaith dialog which we believe the only thing that the humanity need for a better world.
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Gulen is the represinitve of real Islam. He is a great chance for universal peace. The language that Fetuhullah Gulen happens to use is the one of peace and kindness.
Fethullah Gulen, up to this day, has never said anything inappropriate to anyone around him
Fethullah Gulen, up to this day, has never said anything inappropriate to anyone around him
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I sincerely appreciate the participants of Hizmet Movement to keep on creating more peaceful and livable world.
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Fethullah Gülen believes that dialogue is one of the the duties of muslim in order to make the world more peacefull place. He supports a coooperation among civilizations through dialogue. Mutual. understand, gathering among common things. We have learnt from Fethullah Gulen that to love humanity regardless of religion difference. He eagerly lives for others. He thinks that if u save one petsons life u can save the world. He also eloborate on that seek for happines, happines of others.
In the world he got so many peace buldiers awards.but that is not the case: the case is make the world more reliable and peaceful place. Thats the key point of him. Thats why we follow him and his projects
In the world he got so many peace buldiers awards.but that is not the case: the case is make the world more reliable and peaceful place. Thats the key point of him. Thats why we follow him and his projects
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the biggest looser of the world ever came. He has transformed from chance to become worlds best leader to world biggest disappointment. biggest dictator.
fethullah gulen is the biggest Islamic intellectual I know. his ideas is like light for today the darkness of the world like crime, cruelty and ignorance
Erdogan had stolen state funs to ensure his party's power for ever. to build his baas regime. so he is eliminating all the barriers on his way and Fethullah Gulen is one of them
the major difference between them is
Erdogan has used Islam to become to power. and still using to stay in the power
Fethullh Gulen has dedicated himself to Islam to show how peaceful religion Islam is. to fight ignorance in all-over the world.
fethullah gulen is the biggest Islamic intellectual I know. his ideas is like light for today the darkness of the world like crime, cruelty and ignorance
Erdogan had stolen state funs to ensure his party's power for ever. to build his baas regime. so he is eliminating all the barriers on his way and Fethullah Gulen is one of them
the major difference between them is
Erdogan has used Islam to become to power. and still using to stay in the power
Fethullh Gulen has dedicated himself to Islam to show how peaceful religion Islam is. to fight ignorance in all-over the world.
it is very good to see this article on your pages.if someone wants to see what happens in Turkey it is a good way to look at this article.Turkey is not the powerfull country as it was 2 years ago. its goverment has become a totaliter rulership which defy the laws that bridle its unlawful assaults.Hizmet movement is the only one powerful movement that criticise this bed trend.because of this opposite position to goverment, hizmet movement has been under attack by the goverment. As the time that i write this comment the Turkish goverment is care for wrecking BANKASYA which is konwn as a bank sited by hizmet movement.
I guess no one would disagree that Turkey is not any more the "model" country for the Mid East. But it was only couple years ago when Antony Shadid in his eloquent writings was raising the possibility of New Ottomans, which meant to most of us a country leading the world in freedom, security, and wealth.
Perhaps more so than anybody else, the author of this piece has worked for Turkey to be that country. The schools that he mentions in passing as "life-changing education", they reflect the way he envisioned the way to that goal of raising Turkey as a country of peace: with patience and in a bottom-up manner, i.e., change the people, and the world will change.
That is where he is in stark contrast with the ideological drives behind the current government. Once Abdullah Gul asserted: make the "right rules", and the people will change. Of course, this is an approach destined to corrupt, e.g., according to whom are the "right rules"?
The fact that the author explicitly says, and is evident in his entire life, that he's not interested in political power should be noted. And the fact that he is targeted by a harsh-ruler attests to their sincerity.
Finally, note his rational approach to the people who like the movement (Hizmet) and work for state institutions: as long as they abide with the constitution and the rules, no one should judge them for their personal choices.
Perhaps more so than anybody else, the author of this piece has worked for Turkey to be that country. The schools that he mentions in passing as "life-changing education", they reflect the way he envisioned the way to that goal of raising Turkey as a country of peace: with patience and in a bottom-up manner, i.e., change the people, and the world will change.
That is where he is in stark contrast with the ideological drives behind the current government. Once Abdullah Gul asserted: make the "right rules", and the people will change. Of course, this is an approach destined to corrupt, e.g., according to whom are the "right rules"?
The fact that the author explicitly says, and is evident in his entire life, that he's not interested in political power should be noted. And the fact that he is targeted by a harsh-ruler attests to their sincerity.
Finally, note his rational approach to the people who like the movement (Hizmet) and work for state institutions: as long as they abide with the constitution and the rules, no one should judge them for their personal choices.
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A really nice article summarizing what's happening now in Turkey. The damage to the country's image most importantly to the democracy within is huge. People supporting AKP are in big ignorance and are in deep deception. The reasonable people of Turkey should step and prevent some mobs within the government ruin the country.
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Mr Gülen is a champion advocate for equality and progress. His views are highly regarded and has always been on the right side of history. The concerns he has raised for Turkey are valid and should be adhered to by the rulers of Turkey.
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It's interesting to see some commentors repeating the same rhetoric Erdogan has been voicing for the past year. That Mr. Gulen is only voicing his concern about democracy now because he and Erdogan are at odds with each other.
I would like to remind these readers that Mr. Gulen has been voicing the importance of democracy for the last 30 years, archives are witness to this and the the AKP has only been around for 12 years.
Mr. Gulen has always tried to distance himself from Islamists but his closening to AKP was due to Erdogan's claim that he is no longer a Islamist but a democrat. This statement should've been taken with a touch of salt.
I would like to remind these readers that Mr. Gulen has been voicing the importance of democracy for the last 30 years, archives are witness to this and the the AKP has only been around for 12 years.
Mr. Gulen has always tried to distance himself from Islamists but his closening to AKP was due to Erdogan's claim that he is no longer a Islamist but a democrat. This statement should've been taken with a touch of salt.
If the sincere believers are becoming puppets of leaders with hidden agendas and puppets of foreign interest groups and turn into extremists and even terrorists this is only because of lack of education. That's why we see more terrorist activities in underdeveloped Muslim countries but not much in modern Muslim countries where Muslims are educated well. Turkey has been a role model in that sense. Gulen movement with its countless schools is the only solution against radicalization. Both East and West needs more Gulen schools to win against radical Islam.
If Recep Erdogan has nothing to hide why is he putting the journalists and policemen who are investigating the corruption to jail!? If he is someone who is committed to world peace and justice why is he trying to close the schools of hizmet? He has been a very effective charismatic leader. He lead Turkey to become the 17th largest economy in the world and prepared and qualified Turkey to EU membership. Why is he ruining all that hard work now its hard to understand!
This problem in Turkey is not only a problem of Turks anymore. Anyone who advocates Democracy and whoever wants to do something against terrorism should contribute in their way and call Erdogan to his senses and protect Gulen movement either with expressing their opinion here and other platforms or disseminating related articles to friends.
If Recep Erdogan has nothing to hide why is he putting the journalists and policemen who are investigating the corruption to jail!? If he is someone who is committed to world peace and justice why is he trying to close the schools of hizmet? He has been a very effective charismatic leader. He lead Turkey to become the 17th largest economy in the world and prepared and qualified Turkey to EU membership. Why is he ruining all that hard work now its hard to understand!
This problem in Turkey is not only a problem of Turks anymore. Anyone who advocates Democracy and whoever wants to do something against terrorism should contribute in their way and call Erdogan to his senses and protect Gulen movement either with expressing their opinion here and other platforms or disseminating related articles to friends.
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Hizmet movement has contributed to Turkey many impressive values such as love, peace, humanity etc. They not only Turkey but also affect nearly 150 country of world with the schools. Hizmet movement teaches being a human with sacrifice. They live to make live others. They make a new world without borders. They full it with peace, love and people not discriminated with nation, colour, religion, language etc. However, nowadays this world is tried to be destroyed with oppression, illegality. The ruler of Turkey distinguishes Turkey by making this movement other. Although it's not easy to remove these people who has based with sacrifice, peace and friendship.
Fethullah Gülen has convinced people at home and abroad that respectful dialogue with each other help mold peaceful communities, which are built on values that people share in common.
peace advocateFethullah Gülen has been actively promoting interfaith and intercultural dialogue for over a decade, starting long before the tragedy of 9/11. In Turkey, he has been credited with bringing about a positive atmosphere in relationships between the majority Muslim population and the various religious minorities such as Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Catholic, and Jewish communities
peace advocateFethullah Gülen has been actively promoting interfaith and intercultural dialogue for over a decade, starting long before the tragedy of 9/11. In Turkey, he has been credited with bringing about a positive atmosphere in relationships between the majority Muslim population and the various religious minorities such as Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Catholic, and Jewish communities
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I totally agree with Mr.Gulen. I respect his ideas and find them valuable for the humanity. I will suggest this article to my friends to read. I appreciate NYT for publishing such a valuable article.
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Fethullah Gülen is a good Islamic scholar and this article is a brief summary of the things happening in Turkey.he always tells his followers about peace and democracy.he spents his life for the sake of humanity and loving each other.love is the most important that he has been teaching to world.we will always follow his great ideas.
Fethullah Gülen is one of the few scientists and intellectuals of Turkey's train. The most obvious feature that separates it from others is that it is human action. He has not used for religious interests and has always tell the truth.
These arguments are truths about Turkish democracy. Last few years for Turkish People, completely terrible nightmare.
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I would like to thank Mr.Gulen for carefully analyzing Turkey's deteriorating democracy and explaining the situations in depth. Turkey has lost its freedom, it is now ruled by a tyrant who just wants to destroy the country. Why would he want that? Because he is jealous of the Hizmet movement also because he is getting orders from another country. I hope everyone sees the intention of Erdogan because Turkey is losing hope for being a modern country.
I have been reading Gulen's books for 15 years. Now I am regretting that why I did not discover these books too earlier. It is not true to think that Gulen is only a religious man. We now understand that Gulen movement (HIZMET) is a democratic movement and it's aim is to live together. His books teaches us that. This is a very good brief of Turkey's last 3 years.
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I owe Mr Gulen a lot in transferring me from a young aimless boy of early 90's to a man with a mission. A mission to help others in any possible way. A mission not to hate not to isolate not to disintegrate but to involve regardless of variations.
It is a shame but unfortunately true that like some other great people in history, I am afraid we will regret not valuing his thoughts enough after he passes away.
It is a shame but destiny...
It is a shame but unfortunately true that like some other great people in history, I am afraid we will regret not valuing his thoughts enough after he passes away.
It is a shame but destiny...
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Turkey has been going through a very hard time politically and in terms of civil and media rights. The ruling party and mainly Erdogan think the Hizmet movement is against him and his future, right after the 17 and 25 december event.. But judging from the movement's actions throughout the world, Hizmet's only concern is well-being of the people whereever it is available. There is no any other agenda. Well can you tell me any other purpose when the whole humankind has so many problems... Let this unique man and his followers or friends do something useful deeds for the people all of world.
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Its exactly about what is going on in our country. No exaggration.
I feel the article is an accurate analysis of the current situation in Turkey and I hope that it will have a positive effect on the local and international community.
I also feel that it this article alone is not going to sway peoples opinions on the situation in Turkey. Thorough research in the History of the movement and beginnings of the AKP is essential. It is also essential to know that the movement never backed AKP the party but supported its initial outlook on the future of Turkey. Hizmet has always been an advocate of democracy and peace building relations through intercultural and interfaith dialogue.
When you take into account all the leaked documentations of the government profiling its citizens (especially those directly or indirectly associated with the movement) dated 2004, you can see that the AKP never had a genuine relationship with the movement. Any of these documents can be accessed now due the internet.
People need to read this article in conjunction with articles and documents on the both parties through different source to get an accurate perception.
I believe there will be a TRUE Spring after this very INTENSE winter.
I also feel that it this article alone is not going to sway peoples opinions on the situation in Turkey. Thorough research in the History of the movement and beginnings of the AKP is essential. It is also essential to know that the movement never backed AKP the party but supported its initial outlook on the future of Turkey. Hizmet has always been an advocate of democracy and peace building relations through intercultural and interfaith dialogue.
When you take into account all the leaked documentations of the government profiling its citizens (especially those directly or indirectly associated with the movement) dated 2004, you can see that the AKP never had a genuine relationship with the movement. Any of these documents can be accessed now due the internet.
People need to read this article in conjunction with articles and documents on the both parties through different source to get an accurate perception.
I believe there will be a TRUE Spring after this very INTENSE winter.
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I don't understand why erdogan started to accuse him after the police operations about 4 ministers' corruptions and bribery contacts. We listened those records and it is clear that those ministers have to be judged. Instead of sending them to court Erdogan kept accusing mr gulen and hidmet movement. But why? And today he commanded bank institutions to take over the control of a bank for some weird reasons. We are all afraid about our country's future. He had to be stopped.
Fethullah Gülen directly criticizes Islamist political thought in his many books and articles and argues in favor of democracy and the modernization and consolidation of democratic institutions in order to build a society where individual rights are respected and protected. He carefully makes clear his position that some forms of democracy are preferable to others and is cautiously optimistic about its development
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Mr. Gulen is a great person, dedicated his life for education and well being of mankind. He is one of the modern activist and leader. His philosophy in education should be dynamics in all education systems.
His goal is to raise Muslim consciousness and to get involved in modernity, democracy and a free-market economy, so as to get Muslims to enter into those global processes. He also wants to provide a good image of Islam, not so much through indoctrination, but to teach Islam through its members setting a good example by becoming good doctors, good mathematicians, good politicians, good cooks, and so forth. Such people want to teach Islam by doing their duty properly.
His goal is to raise Muslim consciousness and to get involved in modernity, democracy and a free-market economy, so as to get Muslims to enter into those global processes. He also wants to provide a good image of Islam, not so much through indoctrination, but to teach Islam through its members setting a good example by becoming good doctors, good mathematicians, good politicians, good cooks, and so forth. Such people want to teach Islam by doing their duty properly.
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Thank you for this great article.In this complex life humanity needs his ideas.. I really want thank you Fethullah Gülen for englihgtening our pessimistic life..
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Thanks to Fethullah Gülen and Hizmet Movement and thanks to supporters of Hizmet.This article was the explanation of what is going on in Turkey.I hope that Turkey will get better soon and I believe thet everyone in the world will see WHO is right or not.
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I think it is so clear that a huge pressure has been put on the institutions and organizations who would like to have more freedom and democracy in Turkey. Unfortunatelly Turkey's direction is getting further from the right paths on becoming a member of EU since the parlaments of AKP don't support and seek the roadmaps of EU partnership. That's why we have been watching unfair rules and unethical actions against hizmet mocement and Fethullah Gulen. Every darkness is follewed by sunshines as long as we stay patient...
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When you think anything about against the AKP or turkey's nowadays development process ,especially after 17-25 December,you will born either traitor or virus . Gulen teached us the way of peace and lights of Quran . This is very successful article that shows the conditions in Turkey.
Gulen movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, for many years all around the world.
Gulen movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, for many years all around the world.
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I learned from Mr.Gulen's writings and speechs than a muslim can and must be a democrat.
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Mr. Gülen is one of the figures of the global democracy, which has a critical approach, sensible, respectful, tolerable .. To move closer to the humanity for a world where it will do well to live together by respecting the person in İt's. I thank mister Gülen for being frank in front of any injustice, for having stayed or even for so many years!
Mr. Gulen is a big Islamic scholar that he is practicing in that way. Since he is pointing democracy and peace in his article, he believes that can be achieved by education.
Although Mr. Gulen is part of the tension, his piece definitely reflects the current situation in Turkey objectively. What brings leftists and rightists together in any country in the world is the absence of liberty and justice which are the basis of American democracy that is in the largest and most diverse country in the world. This is the observation any journalist can do on Turkey, there is a lack of justice. All the negative claims about Mr. Gulen is secondary issues, that can be addressed in a just regime. I believe that is also the reason why he prefers to live in US. I should also mention that he was acquitted from all charges which are very similar to today's claims about 10 years ago.
One who wants to know someone's personality should check that person's friends. And figuring out Mr. Gulen's and Mr. Erdogan's "second homes" makes things clear about which one is really up for democrasy!
One who wants to know someone's personality should check that person's friends. And figuring out Mr. Gulen's and Mr. Erdogan's "second homes" makes things clear about which one is really up for democrasy!
Thank you very much for publishing this article. I believe it is a very objective article. I love Fethullah Gulen. He is working for peace of world.
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Turkey has a very significant point in the middle east and europe. Turkey has dramatically changed in a several decades. In this way, it was thrown to extreme ends and brake its shell. After all theese events,
alotof real, powerful politicians, activists, scholars and quality human grow in Turkey. One of them is Mr. Gulen. Mr. Gulen has a very huge comprehensive sensitivity for humans and he is a very good opportunity for all muslims and secularists. He recommends always peace, tolerance, education and collaborative beneficial initiative for everybody. In addition, universal Turkish schools of NGO and their reflections is proved his wide perspective and courage.
alotof real, powerful politicians, activists, scholars and quality human grow in Turkey. One of them is Mr. Gulen. Mr. Gulen has a very huge comprehensive sensitivity for humans and he is a very good opportunity for all muslims and secularists. He recommends always peace, tolerance, education and collaborative beneficial initiative for everybody. In addition, universal Turkish schools of NGO and their reflections is proved his wide perspective and courage.
A vivid portrait of an America without seperation of Church and State.
We owe Thomas Jefferson our freedoms!
We owe Thomas Jefferson our freedoms!
A good article clearly pointing out where Turkey is going under the ruling party. It is a saddening truth that in recent years democracy has been under political pressure which has resulted in unfair and unlawful captivation of many people including police officers and journalists who have revealed Erdogan's corruptions or criticised his actions. However, the more Erdogan tries to cover his bad deeds, the more his crimes become bare in and out of Turkey which causes not only him to lose credit but also Turkey to go back in decmocracy and human rights arena. This part of story looks very sad but on the other hand -as Mr Gulen hopefully expresses- Turkey seems that it will find right path soon by opposing those who corrupts and uses public votes as a mask to cover up their corruption.
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As Mr Gulen expressed in his interview current government of Turkey should be more sensitive. They should care about the values of the nations and especially religions. May Allah accelarate these volunteers numbers.
I think that Gulen is true with this opinion about : 'Turkey has now reached a point where democracy and human rights have almost been shelved ' .
It is be seeing by arresting of The director of Turkish Tv Channel STV in December.He is still behind bars...
It is be seeing by arresting of The director of Turkish Tv Channel STV in December.He is still behind bars...
1. In a recent interview, a CHP senator Mr. Eksi, admitted that he had to resign from the Journal of Hurriyet in an attempt to relief Aydin Dogan against the pressure from the AKP.
2. Mr. Dogan was a determined opponent of the AKP.
3. The reason behind this resign was to save Mr. Dogan from the unjust tax
punisment imposed on his corporation.
4. Mr. Senator's resign seems to pay off because Mr Dogan's corporations survived against this pressure.
5. Now, those of you claiming that Mr Gulen and his followers supported the AKP for their own interests but not the democracy.
6. If your claim was true, they would have done the same things and survived.
7. Being robbed just because its relationship to Gulen Movement survived just like them.
8. This bank operation, alone, proves that the movement was targetted for not being submissive to the AKP.
2. Mr. Dogan was a determined opponent of the AKP.
3. The reason behind this resign was to save Mr. Dogan from the unjust tax
punisment imposed on his corporation.
4. Mr. Senator's resign seems to pay off because Mr Dogan's corporations survived against this pressure.
5. Now, those of you claiming that Mr Gulen and his followers supported the AKP for their own interests but not the democracy.
6. If your claim was true, they would have done the same things and survived.
7. Being robbed just because its relationship to Gulen Movement survived just like them.
8. This bank operation, alone, proves that the movement was targetted for not being submissive to the AKP.
I believe this article gives a very good summery of the current situation in Turkey. Unfortunately president Erdogan will do anything to keep in power. For that he will burry democracy as it seems. He needs to do that to veil his corruption.
I hope the international community sees the situation is getting worse for Turkey and also for the international community because of the importance of Turkey. Don't stay watching, do something!
I hope the international community sees the situation is getting worse for Turkey and also for the international community because of the importance of Turkey. Don't stay watching, do something!
Fethullah GULEN did a satisfactory explanation about current problems in Turkey with his article. We also hope that; our government willexercise their legal and democratic rights again to reclaim the future of
their country. I hope so.
their country. I hope so.
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Every people in Turkey is afraiding to give comment even to this article... We are not safe, we are not happy, somebodies live in a rich life in New, Expensivve Palaces, but we cant crytisyse even this, we may be charged, or Polices of Erdogan may come to my door to take me
Democracy is a need for every country and every one. Mr. Gulen stressed the point of democracy and peace in the article. Turkey is a big and developed country which deserves democracy.
F.Gulen has spent over 40 years preaching and teaching the values of peace, mutual respect
Its so hard to say good things about this moment and the future time of Turkey because of this government. There is no proofed thing about journalists and other innocent people but Tayyip and his man trying so hard to find fake information.they could not find any legal action and unfair movement. Fethullah Gülen wants to unite all Muslims in the pool of dialogue,peace and tolerance.but unfortunately tayyip erdoğan just wants discrimination.
I remeber an article of mr. Fethullah Gulen in Hurriyet newspaper about Gezi Park actions. He was asking about who was guilty for all that mess: the young people who protest? The other groups who has no realitions with that action? Government? The sistem? OR ITS OUR?? In that time there were no problems yet between Hizmet and government. Now as we see its Hizmet turn, who will be next???...
I have been reading Fethullah Gulen's books for awhile now. What I gathered from his work is that he has an ideal world in his mind where everyone respects each other and lives harmoniously together no matter what their standpoint/religion/rank or race is. Everyone is valued and cherished not because of their wealth, social rank or race but simply because God/Allah valued and created them in the perfect form in the first place.
There is no place for terrorism, corruption, and abuse of power in his ideal world. Which makes one wonder if all these adversities towards him and his movement are actually the wrath of someone, who has been guilty of all these charges.
I would like believe that no muslim country's leader is fueling the so called "islamic terror" with all my heart. Meanwhile I can not understand why someone would hate a religious leader and his followers -so much that he brazenly threatens them- whose only goal has been to create "peace islands" in this world.
Anybody who reads newspapers would appreciate how desperately we need this type of world.
Please read a few books of Mr.Gulen and then form your decision. As a matter of fact, you will probably hear more of him in the upcoming years as his movement has already sprawled to more than 150 countries and hungry for more progress.
There is no place for terrorism, corruption, and abuse of power in his ideal world. Which makes one wonder if all these adversities towards him and his movement are actually the wrath of someone, who has been guilty of all these charges.
I would like believe that no muslim country's leader is fueling the so called "islamic terror" with all my heart. Meanwhile I can not understand why someone would hate a religious leader and his followers -so much that he brazenly threatens them- whose only goal has been to create "peace islands" in this world.
Anybody who reads newspapers would appreciate how desperately we need this type of world.
Please read a few books of Mr.Gulen and then form your decision. As a matter of fact, you will probably hear more of him in the upcoming years as his movement has already sprawled to more than 150 countries and hungry for more progress.
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Let's compare two people work with their life journey:
Erdogan: Currently a millionaire or billionaire ?who knows, How he made this wealth? is he a businessman? No. He just a politician. His family has many ships, land, homes out there. No need to proof.
Mr. Gulen: As the life long preacher. He has many books over 100, and have educated students over thousand or million? who knows. There is no personal wealth.
To be unbiased, We can ask above fact to a foreign person two compare these people works,
what will they say? (Action speaks louder then words)
Erdogan only successful on one matter: He divided and broke social harmony into many pieces which none of them feel safe any more in the country. Turks suspicious about Kurds, Alevis don't trust Sunni's, Liberal don't trust any more to Sunni and etc...
Thank you NY Times for giving opportunity for people such as Mr. Gulen to express himself whom suppressed in his homeland.
Erdogan: Currently a millionaire or billionaire ?who knows, How he made this wealth? is he a businessman? No. He just a politician. His family has many ships, land, homes out there. No need to proof.
Mr. Gulen: As the life long preacher. He has many books over 100, and have educated students over thousand or million? who knows. There is no personal wealth.
To be unbiased, We can ask above fact to a foreign person two compare these people works,
what will they say? (Action speaks louder then words)
Erdogan only successful on one matter: He divided and broke social harmony into many pieces which none of them feel safe any more in the country. Turks suspicious about Kurds, Alevis don't trust Sunni's, Liberal don't trust any more to Sunni and etc...
Thank you NY Times for giving opportunity for people such as Mr. Gulen to express himself whom suppressed in his homeland.
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thank you for publishing this article objectively.Although we live black days of democracy and suffer from the pressure on press in Turkey,I hope and believe that one day justice will come again and the realities will be seen more clearly.
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Democracy is much wished than ever in Turkey otherwise antidemocratic manners may harm not only The people in Turkey but also the whole people in the world just like a chain reaction. One should stop and think the conclusions of these things. Mr. Gulen is a great virtue for humanity with his good thoughts. We should remember that we are in the same ship.
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Turkey has been going through some difficult times lately. Especially with the dictatorial tendencies of Erdogan coming back to life more than a decade later after his imprisonment in the year 2000 or so, Turks are experiencing the most dire straits of its history right now. My good wishes for the good people of Turkey.
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It was a very successful article that emphasize what is going on in Turkey for a few years.Thanks to Mr.Gulen for his writings and thoughts.
I think people will look back in time, and will note that today Mr. Gulen has chosen to step onto the field. I suspect it is an historic day, and that this letter marks a turning point in Turkish history. It is a great country and perhaps this is the first step in a peaceful transition from isolated to important member of the global community.
"Turkey has now reached a point where democracy and human rights have almost been shelved. I hope and pray that those in power reverse their current domineering path".What a magnificant patience.!Although these people especially Gülen Hocaefendi heard the worst words and insults by Erdogan,he is still in balance on his position. I really admire Mr.Fethullah Gulen and his tolerance.
The thoughts of Mr Gülen about democracy are really important. And I believe that all nations must support these thoughts for the goodness of the World. Democracy can't change according to the men.If changes, it isn't democracy.
I'm glad to see an articel like this here. I hope the people in the world can see the truth in Turkey, because most of Turkish people can't. They haven't even the oppurtunity to watch the real news because all they can see is a version of propaganda. It's hard to see that democracy is the issue in Turkey and the leader is responsible therefore. In my eyes; mr. Gulen is a person that you can't understand easily. You have to read his books or simply listen to him. He's against to this totalitarism and a man of democracy.
I don't like to label anyone easily. But we cannot avoid the responsibility of telling the truth. Erdoğan seeks to make his dictatorial ambitions the very form of government in our country.
Those who govern the country being held accountable before the law is the very essence of democracy. A democratic system prevents rulers from indulging in ambitions of arbitrary rule by making them accountable. This is the very reason why the independence of the judiciary, the legislature and the executive branch matters. This is where freedom of thought, freedom of expression and freedom of association are most needed. Freedom of belief is needed to this end. The opposition is another essential ingredient.
Those who govern the country being held accountable before the law is the very essence of democracy. A democratic system prevents rulers from indulging in ambitions of arbitrary rule by making them accountable. This is the very reason why the independence of the judiciary, the legislature and the executive branch matters. This is where freedom of thought, freedom of expression and freedom of association are most needed. Freedom of belief is needed to this end. The opposition is another essential ingredient.
Unfortunately, this is the situation in Turkey. Democracy is no longer maintained. There is no media freedom. If you are against Erdogan then you have no chance in Turkey to work and act. Everything is working against you.
After December 17 - 25 Turkey has changed. Erdogan wants to lead Turkey alone. The law does not function anymore.
After December 17 - 25 Turkey has changed. Erdogan wants to lead Turkey alone. The law does not function anymore.
Thank you very much this extraordinary article! I have learned to believe democracy and to accept and love people regardless of their religion, race and nation from Gulen's books and conferences.
Well, Fethullah - put an Islamist in power who wants Shariah Law and this is what you get. I hope the people of Turkey learn a lesson from Egypt and send Erdogan packing!
I'm leery about Mr. Gulen because his Gulen/Hizmet organization is often talked about in Islamic "cult"/caliphate terms. His "loose"confederation of followers are apparently not so "loose"...... they are among other things one of, if not the the largest, operators of charter schools in the U.S and further operate hundreds of schools worldwide. Many of their U.S. schools have come under serious scrutiny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/audits-for-3-georgia-charter-school...
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/08/120-american-charte...
This article sounds like sweet and sour grapes from an out of favor, exiled and very rich Turkish cleric living large in Pennsylvania.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/audits-for-3-georgia-charter-school...
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/08/120-american-charte...
This article sounds like sweet and sour grapes from an out of favor, exiled and very rich Turkish cleric living large in Pennsylvania.
It is a undeniable fact that mister Gülen is a sincere defender of democracy and the rule of law. In many speeches and in his books he is pleading for democracy and maintaining the the rule of law in every level of the state. Uncountable amount of social services inspired by his philosofy strife to promote the idea of democracy, the rule of law and the universal values of humanity. He devoted his entire life to promote interreligious/ intercultural dialogue in order to find peace in one others differences. Several objective scholars at the academic field have written books about his philosofy and the so called social movement "Hizmet". I could recommand Helene Rose as one of those academics with an objective view
I have known Gulen's supporters over 25 years. They humble, hard-worker, honest, educated, work only for God sake, they do nothing for money or reputation but they do anything to serve society...Now over 1 year this movement is being attacked by the politics of Turkish government. Excuse me! I really don't care what the government says...
Fethullah Gulen one of the contemporary activist who is trying to create peace all over the world. Thank you so much for contributing the peace by sharing this article...
Fethullah Gulen one of the contemporary activist who is trying to create peace all over the world. Thank you so much for contributing the peace by sharing this article...
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If you follow independent and free press you clearly see that things are exactly as Mr Gulen explained in this piece of article article in NY Times.
Turkeys current government trying to put the limitations to the freedom of individuals, freedom of press, freedom of speech, detain journalists and putting many chief police officers to jail without having a reasonable proof of guilt. They doing all these things for hiding their corruptions.
It is the nature of the Truth, It reveals soon or later and that they some people will regret what they have done to innocent people and i believe sincerely justice will come some day soon!
Turkeys current government trying to put the limitations to the freedom of individuals, freedom of press, freedom of speech, detain journalists and putting many chief police officers to jail without having a reasonable proof of guilt. They doing all these things for hiding their corruptions.
It is the nature of the Truth, It reveals soon or later and that they some people will regret what they have done to innocent people and i believe sincerely justice will come some day soon!
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Mr. Erdogan come to prime minester to promising uprising Turkish democracy and human rights, press freedom and giving to opportunity for everyone. Also he promised to nation, to take Turkey EU direction. After all he made good job since 2010 and when HSYK (Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors) reform got approval from Turkish people Mr. Erdogan understood, no one anymore can take him down. As usually knowing that idiom, 'power is corrupt.' Thats the happen by Mr Erdogan. He became Jr. Putin, as used this explanation from Mr. Thomas Friedman. Today Mr. Erdogan is a one man, what ever he says or giving order no one can criticize or stop him.
In Turkey today, democracy is melting, human rights is reverse, day after day AKP government restrict freedom but radicalism come more popular then ever happen before in Turkey. Research from MetroPOLL conducted last month, about 20 percent of Turkish people endorse the use of violence on behalf of Islam in some cases. Never so many people support violence as much as todayy in Turkey. This name is radicalism governing and governing... Mr. Erdogan still polarizing Turkish nation and giving his supporter more radical idea and keeping witch hunting.
I utilize from Mr. Gülen's OP-ED. Also, I appreciated NY Times to open his page for who really supporting Democracy and peace today.Radicalism never bring to us (all human) any better future or hope. Mr. Erdogan has to stop take his own country to radicalism direction.
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In Turkey today, democracy is melting, human rights is reverse, day after day AKP government restrict freedom but radicalism come more popular then ever happen before in Turkey. Research from MetroPOLL conducted last month, about 20 percent of Turkish people endorse the use of violence on behalf of Islam in some cases. Never so many people support violence as much as todayy in Turkey. This name is radicalism governing and governing... Mr. Erdogan still polarizing Turkish nation and giving his supporter more radical idea and keeping witch hunting.
I utilize from Mr. Gülen's OP-ED. Also, I appreciated NY Times to open his page for who really supporting Democracy and peace today.Radicalism never bring to us (all human) any better future or hope. Mr. Erdogan has to stop take his own country to radicalism direction.
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I did never ever hear words of Gülen which are including hate. He always talks about loving and forgiving. But when we look to Erdogan, every day it gets crazier and he's only yelling words that include hate to the crowd who are listening. Its not that difficult to see the right and wrong, isn't it? I want to thank Gülen for changing my life by teaching me to love everyone for the sake of God and made me a better person.
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Today Turkish people is being tested on their believes in democracy. They will choose to be ruled by monarchy or democracy. We see that day by day Hizmet movement which is inspired by mr Gulen is supported from all groups of people in Turkey and all around the world. This is why they call themselves dedicated souls for humanity, love and world peace...
A democratic Turkey respecting human rights and the rule of law is an important factor in the stability of the Middle East. İ share the view of mr. Gulen.
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No one is safe in Turkey by the pressure from the AKP government. This article reaffirmed that Turkey is declining in all respects press freedom and freedom of speech.
This is a very good summary of what is happening in Turkey.
Gulen is warning Turks that Turkey is heading toward a dictatorial regime rapidly under Erdogan rule.
Gulen is warning Turks that Turkey is heading toward a dictatorial regime rapidly under Erdogan rule.
If you read the books of Gülen you can find all about peace, tolerance, acceptance and investing on education to build up a peaceful world. On the other hand AKP induce feelings of hatred between people to cover their own illegal acts. It is a nice analyses of Fethullah Gülen about the current situation in Turkey. I hope that everybody in Turkey will see the undemocratic acts and what is really going on.
As it is a fact that Mr. Gulen is one of the most important actors through building peace between world religions and people, we must all mind his words on democracy, which Turkey is lack of right now. We all should rely on his advices to achieve peace and justice.
Turkish government corrupted and become racists. They killed the democracy. Also Turkish government sending weapons to ISIS. They are no different then a ISIS Terorist. mr Gulen is against the all of the government's lawlessness. Mr Gulen is a honorable scholar. God bless mr Gulen and his friends.
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People in Turkey are losing voluntarily(!) their democracy. Mr. Gülen is one of the few who comes into action.
Fethullah Gülen in our present day is a person who shows tolerance and welcomes all of humanity. He is an excellent person and I give all my respects to him.
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The name of the clash in turkey is not 'the war of JDP and gulen movement' but the clash of virtues and the corruption of values beliefs rights and freedoms. Mr. Gulen summarizes this fact perfectly in his article..
I have been following news about Turkey since corruption case has started. Actually the case finished once it started. Because Erdogan made decision to dismiss police officers, prosecutors, as well as journalist instead of going to the court.
And also chose Hizmet as a scope coat. Everyhing was clear that his aim was covering up his corruption
This article helps people understand well what has been going on in Turkey
I would like to thank you Mr. Gulen for giving such a great interview and NY Times also deserves appreciation for its stance with Democracy and freedom of press.
And also chose Hizmet as a scope coat. Everyhing was clear that his aim was covering up his corruption
This article helps people understand well what has been going on in Turkey
I would like to thank you Mr. Gulen for giving such a great interview and NY Times also deserves appreciation for its stance with Democracy and freedom of press.
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It is encouraging to read such a pro-democratic and pro-human rights piece by an Islamic scholar. Thank you.
I fully agree with this analysis. Mr. Gulen is a wellknown scholar. I thank NYT for this article.
This is very successful article that shows the conditions in Turkey.
Very accurate description of what has been ongoing in Turkey during the last 4 years. Very calmly written letter...
Today, Fethullah Gulen and his followers are most prominent Islamic group among the Muslim world standing against so called "Islamic terror" and supporting all assets of democracy, human rights and freedom of speech.
Those comments of Fethullah Gulen clearly separate himself and followers from El Qaida or ISIL like terrorist organizations. He always curse the "Islamic terror" by saying, "A true Muslim cannot be a terrorist, while a terrorist cannot be a real Muslim"
While Turkey is leaving democracy behind and going toward a dictatorship, the most highest voice against anti-democratic movements comes from Gulen group in Turkey.
Today, Gulen and his followers trying to protect the values of democracy in Turkey. This is why they are target of the government, the owner of anti democratic movements.
Those comments of Fethullah Gulen clearly separate himself and followers from El Qaida or ISIL like terrorist organizations. He always curse the "Islamic terror" by saying, "A true Muslim cannot be a terrorist, while a terrorist cannot be a real Muslim"
While Turkey is leaving democracy behind and going toward a dictatorship, the most highest voice against anti-democratic movements comes from Gulen group in Turkey.
Today, Gulen and his followers trying to protect the values of democracy in Turkey. This is why they are target of the government, the owner of anti democratic movements.
unbelievable that Turkey is transformed into a banana republic. Press freedom and freedom of expression now belong to the past because of the A.K.P.’s crackdown.
Thanks to the NYTimes for this article which presents clearly the situation in Turkey. In a way, the fierceness of AKP againts the hizmet movement highlights all its actions all around the world !
Everybody should read this article to understand what's going on in Turkey and Turkey's eroding democracy.
It is perfect.
It is perfect.
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Fethullah Gulen is one of the most influential people in Turkey and it is important to have a first-hand opportunity to learn about his ideas regarding contemporary situation in Turkey from his article. Turkey, which has been seen by many experts as a democratic role model for the Islamic world, is giving worrisome signals after serious corruption allegations involving key members of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). Surprisingly instead of conducting a fair investigation AKP has chosen to have a heavy-handed approach and inhibit these developments. Government’s recent crackdown on various local media outlets is an indicator that there is something to hide. Article is balanced and addresses undemocratic tendencies in Turkey. I believe that the most important point that deserves reader’s attention is Gulen’s appreciation of the democratic values and the rule of law. He is a prominent Islamic scholar after all, and such value and importance invested in the secular cannons and the rule of law have to be acknowledged and even appreciated.
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Congratulations New York Times, very timely opinion piece from a very important figure who is at the heart of AKP criticism in Turkey but in the meantime a universally accepted Islamic scholar inspiring millions…
I read Mr Gulen’s article word by word and understand one more time that religion is not in the monopoly of anybody or any party. One can still find fault in a religious rhetoric that is deceiving some while dividing others as Kurds, Alavis, Armenians, non-Muslims, etc. Mr.Gulen and his followers secure the spirit of Islam by not sacrificing the religion to day to day gains and benefits and utilizing religion to unite people through dialogue activities in the world.
Mr Gulen teaches us another side of Islam in these days: Check and balance system is a civic duty and a religious obligation for each individual and society to secure universally accepted norms and welfare in a society. Doing it without revolting but using all the democratic and civic channels proves that their “positive action” motto is genuine. Being the scapegoat of a corrupting government proves that Gulen and his followers are on the right path despite the fact that unconditional righteousness is quite painful sometimes.
I read Mr Gulen’s article word by word and understand one more time that religion is not in the monopoly of anybody or any party. One can still find fault in a religious rhetoric that is deceiving some while dividing others as Kurds, Alavis, Armenians, non-Muslims, etc. Mr.Gulen and his followers secure the spirit of Islam by not sacrificing the religion to day to day gains and benefits and utilizing religion to unite people through dialogue activities in the world.
Mr Gulen teaches us another side of Islam in these days: Check and balance system is a civic duty and a religious obligation for each individual and society to secure universally accepted norms and welfare in a society. Doing it without revolting but using all the democratic and civic channels proves that their “positive action” motto is genuine. Being the scapegoat of a corrupting government proves that Gulen and his followers are on the right path despite the fact that unconditional righteousness is quite painful sometimes.
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I learned to love all of people regardless of their race, colour, nation from Mr. Gülen. We began to believe democracy and peace after reading Gülen's books.
Reading the comments to this article is almost as eye opening as the article itself, portraying how polarized Turkey is... I doubt that anyone in their right mind would disagree with the content of the article, yet you'll read many negative comments attacking Gulen, stating conspircy theories, ulterior motives, hidden agendas, etc.
It's undeniable that Gulen has made a lot of enemies, and a lot of friends... He has great influence, and he's causing change.
Supporters of the old militarist rule of Turkey doesn't like Gulen, because Gulen was against the military coups that toppled three governments in the past. Military opressed the muslim society of Turkey for decades, and unfortuantely the fruits of that oppression is today's AKP.
Supporters of AKP doesn't like Gulen, because they want to enjoy the "fruits of power" that once belonged to the militarist regime, at all costs. Corruption is abound in Turkey, even more so than before. Gulen does not support corruption, so he has to be made into an enemy.
Interesting times for Turkey. We all know it is not sustainable though, because Turkey does not have any rich oil or natural gas reserves, unlike many of its neighbors. Eventually economy will take a huge hit and Erdogan will not be able to "fund his votes." Turkish lira already lost more than 60% in value compared to two years ago. Predictions are much worse.
It's undeniable that Gulen has made a lot of enemies, and a lot of friends... He has great influence, and he's causing change.
Supporters of the old militarist rule of Turkey doesn't like Gulen, because Gulen was against the military coups that toppled three governments in the past. Military opressed the muslim society of Turkey for decades, and unfortuantely the fruits of that oppression is today's AKP.
Supporters of AKP doesn't like Gulen, because they want to enjoy the "fruits of power" that once belonged to the militarist regime, at all costs. Corruption is abound in Turkey, even more so than before. Gulen does not support corruption, so he has to be made into an enemy.
Interesting times for Turkey. We all know it is not sustainable though, because Turkey does not have any rich oil or natural gas reserves, unlike many of its neighbors. Eventually economy will take a huge hit and Erdogan will not be able to "fund his votes." Turkish lira already lost more than 60% in value compared to two years ago. Predictions are much worse.
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Time will teach us once more that those who really pursue peace for everyone wins one way or the other. Sooner or later today's oppressive politicians in Turkey will regret what they are doing to innocent people ...
Gulen and his followers have contributed much to world peace... Thank you very much...
Gulen and his followers have contributed much to world peace... Thank you very much...
Fethullah Gülen this country is a very important guide for world peace.
Fethullah Gulen Hocaefendi explained in the article exactly what is happening in Republic of Turkey.
We learned the corret meaning of democracy from Fethullah Gulen. This article summarizes the perspective of hizmet people.
Actually, i think that mr. Gulen described the situation in Turkey very well. We all hope that everybody can live in democratic state with every freedom. Unfortunately, we don't see this rights. We want a free Turkey, where everybod is really free. If you criticize the government, you'll land in prison. The most people support this mistakes of them, because they are uneducated. Turkey becomes a country like Iran. We must prevent that urgently.
There could not be a better explaination about what is happening in Turkey now.
F,Gulen is just a person with great idea and also he want to make it happen. Here in the Turkey person divede to three groups. First of them is the supporters of the Hizmet. One other is supporters of the government(A,K,P). The last one is neutrals. Over a year the government(we can say some of the important persons) try to convinces the citizens that the Gulen is going to make revolution in the country, by using own papers, or with the films, serials and other media. On the other hand the supporters of Hizmet are doing what they was doing this situation began, and what theyt have to do. They try to improve dialog with everybody.
And the neutral maybe do not understand the importance of the situation or they enjoy watching what is going on.
And the neutral maybe do not understand the importance of the situation or they enjoy watching what is going on.
It is remarkable artickle as always Mr. Gulen gives. He pointed out all problems perfectly and outstandingly . Turkey is lead to undemocratic way and as a citizen i have big concerns about where is the country going.
This is a well-written summary article by Mr. Gulen. I support the movement and believe in their works. Mr. Gulen who was one of the “100 influential people” by the Time magazine in 2013, is a great thinker and Turkish educator. I wish everyone knew him and really understand what he is trying to do for “all of us”.
It is obvious that Erdogan is trying to hide his "dirty works" and he is also trying to take revenge! Erdogan is in search for a "scapegoat". Who would not protest violently when taking revenge? Of course ,the Hizmet participants who believe in peace, education and co-existence in the society.
In Turkey, everyone (in the Government) is trying to impress and satisfy Erdogan! People are afraid because Erdogan has the power and money to retaliate (I heard this personally from a secular-Turkish person).
I am confident that these days will pass soon! People, including Erdogan and his entertainers, who are abusing power and stealing WILL come to justice. More importantly, DAY of Judgment will come and these people will face what they have done.
I pray for Turkey and Turkish people. Erdogan and his party have got to go soon before they ruin and destroy more values!
@Mark_Ea1
It is obvious that Erdogan is trying to hide his "dirty works" and he is also trying to take revenge! Erdogan is in search for a "scapegoat". Who would not protest violently when taking revenge? Of course ,the Hizmet participants who believe in peace, education and co-existence in the society.
In Turkey, everyone (in the Government) is trying to impress and satisfy Erdogan! People are afraid because Erdogan has the power and money to retaliate (I heard this personally from a secular-Turkish person).
I am confident that these days will pass soon! People, including Erdogan and his entertainers, who are abusing power and stealing WILL come to justice. More importantly, DAY of Judgment will come and these people will face what they have done.
I pray for Turkey and Turkish people. Erdogan and his party have got to go soon before they ruin and destroy more values!
@Mark_Ea1
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It is explaining Turkeys situation well with democracy and the new evidents about the life in Turkey. And he is just the one who could say the true things briefly without any fear of loosing money or interest, and he did write well. I really want to meet him and take some lessons from his unlimited knowledge that people dont see these days recently... Totally the best article writer , you should take more articles from him in order to increase your visitors from other nationalities...
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Mr. Gülen is a religios scholar known by Turkish people as well as many foreigner especially islamic academics.However president Erdoğan considers him a rival. the irony is that Erdoğan is a politician but Gülen is a scholar who kept distance from politics during his life. the one is seeking people's support. the other is seeking God's consent.
What F.Gulen said 40 years ago is just the same what he says today what AKP says changes EVERYDAY.
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It is really disappointing to see my country in this situation, and Gulen expresses with the best words what`s happening in Turkey. They restricted the basic freedom and they declared the contrast voices as an enemy. Apparently, the party is going to win the elections, but victory doesn't mean to attack other people or arrest journalists..
In the article , there are remarkable notes on the recent moves of the political party called AKP,so called democracy advocate . The surge of the intolerant policies -product of rigorous AKP policy makers (!)- experienced in Turkey raised serious concerns across the world. Whether one is a supporter of a political party or not has never been so complicated in Turkey. If a citizen is accused of being traiter on the bases of political orientation, the title of the article becomes even more accurate "eroding democracy". The supporters of Gülen movement as well as those who are engaged with Gülen movement institutions are very well organized and connected such that the supression or threats will only increase the awareness and sympathy towards Mr. Gülen.
Thanks for this article.We all learned from Mr. Gulen; tolerance, respect, mercy, generosity andforbearance which is the most essential element of moral systems; it is a very important source of spiritual discipline and a celestial virtue of perfected people.
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I have been following the movement for a while and strongly disagree that the author is motivated by his own gains. He has spoken up to the leadership several times even before these recent events. Some examples include:
-criticizing the "aid ship" that went to Palestine and had many killed on board for not having the appropriate accreditation
-critiquing the change of the 'military written' constitution for not being enough
-constant warnings of the unlawfulness of different types of corruption in the government
I can summarize that Gulen and the movement affiliated with him is totally independent but you can find them on the same page as any good progress regardless of who it is by. If anyone still thinks they have a secret agenda to be released, they must be very inefficient at it; since they have thousands of schools, hospitals, constant humanitarian movements and still no one that can prove them with anything unlawful.
-criticizing the "aid ship" that went to Palestine and had many killed on board for not having the appropriate accreditation
-critiquing the change of the 'military written' constitution for not being enough
-constant warnings of the unlawfulness of different types of corruption in the government
I can summarize that Gulen and the movement affiliated with him is totally independent but you can find them on the same page as any good progress regardless of who it is by. If anyone still thinks they have a secret agenda to be released, they must be very inefficient at it; since they have thousands of schools, hospitals, constant humanitarian movements and still no one that can prove them with anything unlawful.
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A reasonable argument, as it comes to a movement that includes many individuals with variety of life-styles; -diverse actions are inevitable. One could contravene that some of the followers participated in deeds that violated human rights. Hence, the individuals shall be held responsible for their actions -not the Hizmet Movement as a body. Howbeit, the unjust arrests of journalists reasoning they were “secretly” quoting Gulen’s ideas, is a violation of human rights especially freedom of speech. I marched on December 20th, 2014 in NY, and joined many who said “Free media can not be silenced” as a constructive criticism towards the democratic progress in Turkey. As stated in the article “The A.K.P.’s leaders now depict every democratic criticism of them as an attack on the state. By viewing every critical voice as an enemy — or worse, a traitor — they are leading the country toward totalitarianism.” Pacta sunt servanda. Are agreements made by the Turkish officials being honored when they were elected by citizens? The Turkish government has to reconcile and regain the public's voice -as stated in the constitution.
Although aforementioned events are mostly a chain of counter acts to democracy, injustice brings the awareness of human rights. As the A.K.P. continues to make a fuss out of this movement, a fortiori, the peace volunteers of Hizmet will resume advocating for the value of individuals lives; respecting and embracing democracy, rule of law, and universal human rights.
Although aforementioned events are mostly a chain of counter acts to democracy, injustice brings the awareness of human rights. As the A.K.P. continues to make a fuss out of this movement, a fortiori, the peace volunteers of Hizmet will resume advocating for the value of individuals lives; respecting and embracing democracy, rule of law, and universal human rights.
The author has perfectly summerized what has been happening in Turkey for about 2 years. Unfortunately, people in Turkey have no better alternative choice to elect a person other than Erdogan. Because of that, his ruling system have evolved from proving equal rights and emocracy based ruling to a totalitarian & "one and only leader" system who have effect on every single establishment in that country.
I support Gulen because of his open mind and his powerful standing against incorrect political practices of Erdogan in Turkey.
I support Gulen because of his open mind and his powerful standing against incorrect political practices of Erdogan in Turkey.
Democracy is a need for every country and every one. Mr. Gulen stressed the point of democracy and peace in the article. Turkey is a big and developed country which deserves democracy.
This article comprehensively covers every aspect of Turkey's eroding democracy and precisely pin-points the main problems of Turkey. Furthermore, it also proposes potential solutions to the problems. Exquisitely written.
Mr.gulen hocaefendi is the best islamic scholar in the world. also he has lots of ideas and knowledge about other subjects as well. We can see by the way of this article. I suggest that everyone should read this especially; turkish people that love their country. ...
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Happy to see an article of Fethullah Gulen here, for that firstly usa and all the world need to get news and analysis about Türkiye from him. I ve read him for maybe 20 years and hes said all same about human rights and democracy. Not changed according to type of governments, according to time and pressure.. He is a reliable and responsible source for who what to learn about Türkiye.
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The article is about the Turkish democracy and how it is undermined by the ruling party and its supreme leader. I don't think that the people who accept this fact and add up "but, however etc." to their sentences are sincere. To be able to judge what really is going on in Turkey we need better points to look at than unfounded claims of pro-AKP trolls. The current security bill gives unprecedented powers to police; such as to be able to tap phone lines without a court order up to 48 hours, literally right of unlimited use of fired arms against people who participate violent demonstrations etc. The same bill brings 2.5-4 years imprisonment if someone joins a demonstration with a slingshot or fireworks. I don't want to talk the levels of abuse of judicial, administrative, police powers as I don't think many westerners are unable to comprehend it.
Finally I would like to talk about the author. I have seen may times he has been accused of many things. I don't want to name them. Yet I haven't seen any little evidence to support these claims. I believe on most cases if not all perceptions outweigh realities
Finally I would like to talk about the author. I have seen may times he has been accused of many things. I don't want to name them. Yet I haven't seen any little evidence to support these claims. I believe on most cases if not all perceptions outweigh realities
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Erdogan is the best example to see how power change a person 360 degrees. It is unfortunate that Turkey, once an exemplary country among the Muslim world, now has side-tracked from everything what has been pursued for many years in its history. The Hizmet movement, motivated by the preaches of Mr. Gulen, has always been an advocate of peaceful acts and democracy. It is heartbreaking to see this movement and Mr. Gulen himself have been the target of the corrupted government in Turkey led by Erdogan.
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In an earlier comment I wrote that ' Three things are required for a nation to prosper and outperform all others: 1- Rule of Law 2- Property Rights 3- Freedom of speech.'' A breaking news coming from Turkey tonight states that banking authorities and the police are getting ready to nationalize publicly traded Bank Asya ( the bank is founded by businessmen affiliated with Gulen movement, specializing on Islamic finance) on politically motivated trumped up charges. So there goes the property rights of Turkish entrepreneurs ...What a shame.
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After approximately a decade studying the Hizmet Movement in both Turkey and internationally, I remain rather baffled by it. Like any global, transnational movement, Hizmet cannot be reduced to a single political rationality or aim--its charter schools, NGOs, private businesses and media companies are too diverse for such singularity. Moreover, as Fethullah Gulen writes in this op-ed, his own public statements and those of official Hizmet organs such as Zaman newspaper, which was raided last December by Turkish security papers, have consistently, almost fetishistically emphasized principles of liberal democracy, including individual liberty, constitutional rule of law, and interreligious tolerance. Those who claim that he is simply a fundamentalist wolf in liberal sheep's clothing typically have polemical ideological axes of their own to grind.
And yet, Gulen and Hizmet's claim to have no political aspirations in Turkey rings hollow. Gulen's own powerful backing for the AKP's early efforts to reform the military's role in Turkish politics alone belie this claim. So too does the story of Turkish journalist Ahmet Sik, whose critical book on Gulen, the Imam's Army, was quashed before seeing the light of day (to his credit, Sik has recently criticized the censoring of Hizmet media as well). It may be that Hizmet simply aspires to transform Turkey along liberal, if religiously-inspired, lines. To deny that such an aim is political, however, is to deny the reality of Turkey today.
And yet, Gulen and Hizmet's claim to have no political aspirations in Turkey rings hollow. Gulen's own powerful backing for the AKP's early efforts to reform the military's role in Turkish politics alone belie this claim. So too does the story of Turkish journalist Ahmet Sik, whose critical book on Gulen, the Imam's Army, was quashed before seeing the light of day (to his credit, Sik has recently criticized the censoring of Hizmet media as well). It may be that Hizmet simply aspires to transform Turkey along liberal, if religiously-inspired, lines. To deny that such an aim is political, however, is to deny the reality of Turkey today.
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I always go to bed every night wishing that in the morning the nightmare about Turkey under Erdogan is over. But every morning I face with the horrible news that all the values that I believed for is degrading rapidly in Turkey.
Democracy, human rights, seperation of powers, freedom of media just a few.
Thanks to Fethullah Gulen who concisely explains what is going on. It is also good to hear these words from a scholar.
Democracy, human rights, seperation of powers, freedom of media just a few.
Thanks to Fethullah Gulen who concisely explains what is going on. It is also good to hear these words from a scholar.
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I found thıs opinion very useful and clear. Mr Gulen explains very well what is going on in Today's Turkey. President Erdogan completely changed because when corruption scandal was exposed, him and hıs son were ınvolved with 4 ministers . He needed to create an enemy and chose Hizmet movement. In thıs antı- corruption operation, evidences are so obvious as call records (tapes), ımages of millions of dollars ın shoe boxes. So Erdogan needed to manipulate hıs supporters and he began to blame Hızmet movement for doing a plot again his goverment. Now more than a year in Turkey, many laws were changed, many police officers were appointed to other positıons and even jailed.These prosecutors and police oficers who made this operation were alleged as betrayer of nation and they take orders from Mr. Gulen but as I saıd before more than a year still Erdogan and his party didn't give a satisfactory answer to general public. They only manipulate people , try to change the current agenda and make people forget about their corruption.Mr Gulen was supporting Erdogan when he tried to provide a European standard democracy but when Erdogan ıs goıng far away from democracy and trıes to brıng a single party regime Mr. Gulen criticize him. There are many more crulelty,injustices and inequalities if I wanted to write ıt would take hours to complete.In conclusıon, people of Turkey have to open their eyes for the reality and look for the democracy not for their own interests.
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Well thought and written article by a scholar who is known and followed throughout the whole world by millions. it summarizes the status-quo of Turkey that the government has been establishing since last year by putting law, justice, human rights and ethics aside. Grateful for NYTimes and the owner of the article, Fethullah Gullen.
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Hizmet Movement is one of the most important movement for Turkey and also for the world. But I can't understand why the president and the goverment want to erase this movement. The people in this movement and Mr. Gülen's ambition is just to bring peace to their county and to the world. I believe all people will see this one day. I hope it won't be late..
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These are unnecessary debates.
It is very clear that there is a nanny state like Orwell's 1984 in Turkey.
Mr Erdogan does not want any opposition voice. It's dictatorship. I am very concerned for Turkey's poor democracy..
It is very clear that there is a nanny state like Orwell's 1984 in Turkey.
Mr Erdogan does not want any opposition voice. It's dictatorship. I am very concerned for Turkey's poor democracy..
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Describing Gulen as a person who seeks personal gain and opposing human rights can only be justified by ignorance. It was his and the Hizmet Movement's ideals which made the Movement support Erdogan, and it is the same ideals which caused them to support Erdogan. Deeper investigation will suggest that Erdogan's political actions against Israel's violence is nothing more than a set of word games. All these years he failed to support his words against Israel with any real course of action. Actually it is a fact that the trade between Israel and Turkey reached its peak in the last years.
Erdogan failed miserably to live up to the promise of being the ''big brother'' of Middle East and instead of using his power to establish peace, his unresponsible actions caused terrorist groups such as ISIS to thrive.
In contrast Hizmet Movement has always been the supporter of peace. In his own words Gulen spent last of his years trying to prove that Islam is not the religion of blowing yourself up.
It is also a fact that the U.S goverment's reluctancy to deport Gulen is not caused by Gulen's ties to the goverment, but it is caused by the fast decrease of Erdogan World wide credibility as a leader. U.S. govermenet,most possibly, wanted to avoid doing a bidding of a man who is renown for his actionss against the human rights. It is known that U.S. goverment, for years, has investigated Gulen's schools.
Erdogan failed miserably to live up to the promise of being the ''big brother'' of Middle East and instead of using his power to establish peace, his unresponsible actions caused terrorist groups such as ISIS to thrive.
In contrast Hizmet Movement has always been the supporter of peace. In his own words Gulen spent last of his years trying to prove that Islam is not the religion of blowing yourself up.
It is also a fact that the U.S goverment's reluctancy to deport Gulen is not caused by Gulen's ties to the goverment, but it is caused by the fast decrease of Erdogan World wide credibility as a leader. U.S. govermenet,most possibly, wanted to avoid doing a bidding of a man who is renown for his actionss against the human rights. It is known that U.S. goverment, for years, has investigated Gulen's schools.
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It's very unfortunate to see that Erdogan is destroying the strong bonds among the members of society and ruining the reputation of Turkey in order to save himself and his family. He has made alot of mistakes and passed the safe turning point. That's why he plays dangerously lawlessly as he knows that he will lose everything if he plays fairly.
He has become everything he wished for but he is still jealous of Gulen as he is a global leader and inspiration to millions although he does not claim any part in the success of Hizmet movement all around the world. Erdogan wants to gain respect with money and power whereas Gulen acts sincerely and without expecting anything in return, which makes him even greater.
He has become everything he wished for but he is still jealous of Gulen as he is a global leader and inspiration to millions although he does not claim any part in the success of Hizmet movement all around the world. Erdogan wants to gain respect with money and power whereas Gulen acts sincerely and without expecting anything in return, which makes him even greater.
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No one can deny that gulen movement encourage our educational system with schools and also with their activities at Turkey, they announce Turkey around the world. It's hard to say that now country of Turkey is governed by wrong people and because of those Hizmet association is suffering. It's is too Unfortunate.
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Putin in russia erdogan in turkey
Unfortunately turkey goes to 1990s with this government
Unfortunately turkey goes to 1990s with this government
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I've known about Mr. Fethullah Gulen and the Hizmet Movement since I was very young. The Hizmet Movement is truly a sincere, tolerant, and respectful movement. The things written in Mr. Gulen's article truly portray President Erdogans cruelty and unfair acts against innocent journalists. It is sad to say that a government that was once democratic is getting a step closer to totalitarianism everyday. All free democracies must have free press.
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I strongly agree what Fethullah Gulen says in his article. I have been living in the US for more than 20 years now and I am watching the declining of the democracy in Turkey with great sorrow. I strongly wish that this free falling of Turkey under Erdogan government is soon recovered; otherwise United States and West is going to lose one of his allies once and for all and Turkey will be a country without a direction. Erdogan is so hypocrite in his talks so the real danger may not be clearly visible. He resembles Darth Sidious character of Star Wars. I don't think there is a need for listing evidences here; everything is very clear. Unfortunately this is not yet totally understood by the Turkish Republic who doesn't read much and so much under the influence of the lies told by Erdogan.
Fethullah Gulen is one of the few scholars that tries to stand against Erdogan's despotism. That's why Gulen movement is under attack by the people who were lined up trying to be able to speak with him.
Fethullah Gulen is one of the few scholars that tries to stand against Erdogan's despotism. That's why Gulen movement is under attack by the people who were lined up trying to be able to speak with him.
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Democracy is a need for every country and every one. Mr. Gulen stressed the point of democracy and peace in the article. Turkey is a big and developed country which deserves democracy.
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Very true: 'The A.K.P.’s leaders now depict every democratic criticism of them as an attack on the state. By viewing every critical voice as an enemy — or worse, a traitor — they are leading the country toward totalitarianism.' But if you read the whole you see also that Mr. Gulen shares his hope with us and tells the A.K.P that it is not too late to reverse this downfall!
Fethullah Gülen is a world renowned Turkish scholar.
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It's splendid to see an article from him on a world wide known and prestigious newspaper like NYT, especially during these days, because in Turkey only a few newspapers are left to reveal what's really going on, instead of being minions of the last Sultan of Turkey, Erdoğan.
Since all their dirt spreaded even in the smallest veins of the country was popped up with an investigation, they have been using every tool of the state legally and illegaly against Hizmet movement. The saddest thing is to see how people can be so easily manipulated. Republic of Turkey is turning into Erdoğan Sultanate and people still praise him heartily, just because he seems to be a devout person. People don't have any values like human rights, democracy or rule of law. They have no importance, as long as Erdoğan finds a microphone and yells at Israel!
It would be siliness to be hopeful about the future of my country, when we consider the situation today, but since I believe in God and have faith in sincerity and rightfulness of Hizmet movement, those dark days will be sooner or later over. Then I will, hopefuly, be glad once again that I am a part of this beautiful community.
"O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient." Qur'an 2/153
Since all their dirt spreaded even in the smallest veins of the country was popped up with an investigation, they have been using every tool of the state legally and illegaly against Hizmet movement. The saddest thing is to see how people can be so easily manipulated. Republic of Turkey is turning into Erdoğan Sultanate and people still praise him heartily, just because he seems to be a devout person. People don't have any values like human rights, democracy or rule of law. They have no importance, as long as Erdoğan finds a microphone and yells at Israel!
It would be siliness to be hopeful about the future of my country, when we consider the situation today, but since I believe in God and have faith in sincerity and rightfulness of Hizmet movement, those dark days will be sooner or later over. Then I will, hopefuly, be glad once again that I am a part of this beautiful community.
"O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient." Qur'an 2/153
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I learned to love all of people regardless of their race, colour, nation from Mr. Gülen. We began to believe democracy and peace after reading Gülen's books.
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What a nice analysis. Actually it is bewildering to be exposed to such a treatment by the leader of a country which has approximately eighty million citizens in 2015 where the world is now a global village. As the writer mentioned "Speaking against oppression is a democratic right, a civic duty and for believers, a religious obligation". However people are sentenced due to an episode of a TV series which was playing four years before. Thus where is democracy, human rights, respect to idea, and freedom.
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Mr. Gulen presented the current situation in Turkey very accurately. I don't think anybody would disagree that currently Turkey is rapidly moving away from the West and shows less evidence of a functioning democracy. I sincerely hope this will change soon as the last thing the world needs is yet another totalitarian state in the Middle East.
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Fethullah Gülen is a good Islamic scholar and this article is a brief summary of the things happening in Turkey.he always tells his followers about peace and democracy.he spents his life for the sake of humanity and loving each other.love is the most important that he has been teaching to world.we will always follow his great ideas.
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I m agree with you
Time by time , government and president can't look at the writing on the wall that writing shows them how Turkish people feel embarrassed on international area. Especially Erdogan's behavior effects that. Mrs. Gulen is state totally opposite side which is much more democracy and human's right. Surely one day each member of government regret what day doing now . However, that day would be too late to fix something.
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Fethullah Gülen demonstrated once more that he is on the side of democracy. He is against opression and lawlessness.
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This article is a great summary of what is going on in Turkey for the last year. In political science, there is a magic three concept: authoritarianism, corruption and blame the enemy, which completes each other. And the result of this magic three is "eroding democracy in Turkey". That is exactly what A.K.P and Erdogan have been doing for the last 1-2 years. Thanks to Hizmet movement, because when A.K.P made a U turn from democratic and human right values to be more totalitarian, The followers of this movement did not follow them and stood for democratic and human right values despite being declared "enemy/traitor" (according to "fake enemy" concept), and being under pressure , attacks , and crack downs by government at the different level of the society. I am still hopeful that these undemocratic actions will end one day, and Turkish people will understand that the most important concept is democracy ,and human rights not being from right wing or left wing, conservative or liberal or religiuos. Once it is understood, Turkey can reach a point of being a peaceful and strong country and a model for many countries.
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@YUSUF - I too am hopeful that the Turkish people will come to understand the extent of the undemocratic actions wrought upon them. It would be a blessing if Turkey could reach the point of being a peaceful and strong country--once again a model for many countries. For these important transformations to happen, they will have to occur without Erdogan. He has shown the world his refusal to embrace any plan of action other than a dictatorial caliphate, and Turkey cannot reclaim its democratic tradition with Erdogan at the helm. He must go.
This is very successful article that shows the conditions in Turkey.
Fethullah Gulen Hoca Efendi and Hizmet movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, for many years all around the world.
Fethullah Gulen Hoca Efendi and Hizmet movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, for many years all around the world.
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Fethullah Gulen is an advocate of democracy. He has always supported the democratization of Turkey. Fethullah Gülen is a good Islamic scholar and this article is a brief summary of what is going on in Turkey lately.
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The article is a good summary of what is happening right now in Turkey. Unfortunately Turkey is becoming a dictatorship.
Thanks to Mr Fethullah Gülen and NY Times for this article.
Thanks to Mr Fethullah Gülen and NY Times for this article.
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“A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand”
The threads of harmony as well as injustice are intricately woven in the fabric of society and ultimately impact the world community. In the midst of adverse conditions of war, natural and economic disasters, the international community readily responds to ameliorate the problems. The current state of affairs in Turkey should be considered a humanitarian disaster with ramifications for civil society, media, judiciary system, and free enterprise. The series of events have threatened the democracy of Turkey with worldwide implications.
The future of civil society is based on social justice, political participation, cultural vibrancy, and economic productivity. Turkey, once a thriving and flourishing democratic country, is currently at risk for losing its unique position in the world. According to Mr. Gulen, “ Not long ago, it was the envy of Muslim –majority countries: A viable candidate for European Union to becoming a functioning democracy that upholds universal human rights...”
The Hizmet Movement is committed to interfaith dialogue, community service, relief efforts and life-changing education aligned with the UN Millenium Goals. His message of peace and tolerance is reflected in the exemplary responsiveness of the Hizmet Movement during this time of extreme oppression and injustice.
In accordance with Mr. Gulen, I concur that citizens should unite around human rights, freedom, and reclaim the future of their country.
The threads of harmony as well as injustice are intricately woven in the fabric of society and ultimately impact the world community. In the midst of adverse conditions of war, natural and economic disasters, the international community readily responds to ameliorate the problems. The current state of affairs in Turkey should be considered a humanitarian disaster with ramifications for civil society, media, judiciary system, and free enterprise. The series of events have threatened the democracy of Turkey with worldwide implications.
The future of civil society is based on social justice, political participation, cultural vibrancy, and economic productivity. Turkey, once a thriving and flourishing democratic country, is currently at risk for losing its unique position in the world. According to Mr. Gulen, “ Not long ago, it was the envy of Muslim –majority countries: A viable candidate for European Union to becoming a functioning democracy that upholds universal human rights...”
The Hizmet Movement is committed to interfaith dialogue, community service, relief efforts and life-changing education aligned with the UN Millenium Goals. His message of peace and tolerance is reflected in the exemplary responsiveness of the Hizmet Movement during this time of extreme oppression and injustice.
In accordance with Mr. Gulen, I concur that citizens should unite around human rights, freedom, and reclaim the future of their country.
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These words are the summary of last one year in Turkey..We really want to live in a democratic country, in a democratic world but Erdogan tyranny seems to be the biggest problem standing opposite our democracy dream...However we will overcome all the problems against our dreams and prepare a democratic country for our children... We will success, no doubt! We are all Fethullah Gulens......
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Thank you very much for publishing this article. I believe it is a very objective article.
At now, this movement is only opposition in Turkey.
As I write this review, the Erdogan government is doing turkey's largest preparing to seize one of the banks.
Turkey day by day is one step closer to dictatorship.
Gulen and Hizmet movement always talk about democracy and human rights.
He is an important character for the world peace. Mr Gulenl All students are advised to tolerance and respect.
At now, this movement is only opposition in Turkey.
As I write this review, the Erdogan government is doing turkey's largest preparing to seize one of the banks.
Turkey day by day is one step closer to dictatorship.
Gulen and Hizmet movement always talk about democracy and human rights.
He is an important character for the world peace. Mr Gulenl All students are advised to tolerance and respect.
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It is really interesting read... When the 'Hizmet' members helped government to prison all the critics of the government with a mock-up coup d'etat scenario, they were best friends. When Gezi protests started the writer of this same article complained of the education that those kids received(obviously they were not products of their schools), and they should listen government as their elders. They only fall apart when it came to the private education schools; when government decided to close them, suddenly all bets were off. Ladies and Gentlemen, just remember the underlining of the 'Die Hard' movies. At the end there are no politics and nobody is after the glorious Democracy. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!
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As much as I like liked your flowing style I had a couple of points to make:
1.We need to be clear about who are the hizmet members and the fake coup d'etat. People who entered in jail had unopened files and even some of them might have been charismatic and beloved from Ataturkists this doesn't make them less guilty. Mentioning files ;President couldn't mange to make anything relevant to do the same to the Hizmet members even though that's his most inner desire probably.
2.The events of Gezi park were used by different groups to cause caos and the protesters were not clear on the ideal-the case was no doubt fair but it degenerated due to the weak conception of the crowd on how protests work.
Regarding money thing you probably need to hear stories of people who gave their life to save their students and wonder what inspired them.Best regards.
1.We need to be clear about who are the hizmet members and the fake coup d'etat. People who entered in jail had unopened files and even some of them might have been charismatic and beloved from Ataturkists this doesn't make them less guilty. Mentioning files ;President couldn't mange to make anything relevant to do the same to the Hizmet members even though that's his most inner desire probably.
2.The events of Gezi park were used by different groups to cause caos and the protesters were not clear on the ideal-the case was no doubt fair but it degenerated due to the weak conception of the crowd on how protests work.
Regarding money thing you probably need to hear stories of people who gave their life to save their students and wonder what inspired them.Best regards.
When there has been an illegal or antidemocratic implications have appeared and the break out of a giant graft pro which was affiliated with 4 ministers, the government says Hizmet movement shouldn't have revealed these mess, but they are wrong. It was a big mistake a very big mistake those who think Hizmet and Government are twin brothers. In the past Hizmet supported the government's European provision and also dealing with illegal formation in the army which want the power of grabbing all gained human rights. You know that, as in the past it has practiced almost every decade by illegal junta. One should be thoughtful of the danger of the despotic governance if it starts with his "brother" the end can be extended to every single citizen.
Mr. Fethullah Gulen is a respected Turkish intellectual and his comments on continuing events in Turkey since 17 December 2013 enlightens our vision about what is going on behind the scene. Tayyip Erdogan has completely changed his thoughts, behaviours and statements since that time and he is running towards into dictatorship. The future is not bright for Turkey, unfortunately..
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As far as I know, F.Gulen has spent over 40 years preaching and teaching the values of peace, mutual respect . He has advocated for education and dialogue. He's always believed in seeking happiness in the happiness of others and the virtue of seeking God’s pleasure in helping His people. Whatever influence is attributed to him, He's used it as a means to promote educational and social projects that help nurture virtuous individuals. He's no interest in political power. If he had had an interest like that, he would have been able to found a political party before 2002 and become the the ruling one.
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Fethullah Gülen is a good Islamic scholar and this article is a brief summary of the things happening in Turkey. The ruling party, AKP, is terrorizing the country, deporting people, putting people in jail because they don't agree with Erdoğan, separating people(even husbands and wives) and creating a chaotic environment just to cover their corruption. But eventually they won't be able to cover the corruption anymore and they are going to be miserable at the end. Hopefully, with the help of God, Turkey will get out of this chaos so
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A day will have come who want to embarrass Hizmet Movement, will understand their mistakes but it will be too late.
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This is the best article that shows the fact of Turkey's Eroding Democracy I've ever read.
Fethullah Gulen is a chance for Turkey and for world. Because he advices people to be honest, tolerant and respectful. Today we all need them very much.
Fethullah Gulen is a chance for Turkey and for world. Because he advices people to be honest, tolerant and respectful. Today we all need them very much.
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This cruelty of president Erdogan will never last forever. AKP and Erdogan destroyed the judiciary system in Turkey. Sooner or later they need justice. Because no country will be ruled without justice. When they lose power,they will be questioned and jailed because of their illegal activities. President Erdogan became dictator himself. But he has to keep in mind that how dictator's life ends.
Thanks very much to the newspaper and the editors and chief editor of NYT.
Thanks very much to the newspaper and the editors and chief editor of NYT.
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Turkey has become a country where media executives are arrested without any legal basis.
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I am extremely sad for the future of Turkey, and I do greatly appreciate the column written by Fethullah Gulen Hoca efendi since he has reflected the ongoing realities.
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My husband is a Political Scientist from Turkey. We continuously discuss Gulen's movement. In Turkey it is known that the Gulen group infiltrated the Police Force, Education and Judicial Systems. When he was in good terms with Erdogan, Gulen furthered this infiltration in those three areas. The Gulen group promoted their own group by hiring their own people at the expense of others. Whoever criticized Gulen's ideas the Gulen police fabricated criminal accusations against them. Judges, who are Gulen followers, put the critics in jail. An example is Tahsiye Publication writers and editors were jailed for 17 months. When Gulen wanted to control the government, of course, Erdogan opposed it. Again, the Gulen group is fabricating the usual cliches that democracy is eroding. In the USA the Gulen group opened over 100 schools for their monetary and political gains in Turkey on the American taxpayers.These one time allies split when Erdogan criticized Israeli politics in regard to Palestine. Many people believe that Israel pushed Gulen to silence Erdogan. Since this did not succeed, it turned into an ugly political fight.Thus, these two allies began clashing and this is the real picture. Now that Gulen is losing in every front in Turkey, Gulen's movement is fabricating lies against Turkey. Unbiased Turks will testify that Turkeys present leaders achieved the highest degree in democracy, freedom of speech and economic development compared to past regimes.
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Dear Carmen
Sorry but Your sayings are not true facts about this movement but just some conspiracy theories in Turkey which is announced by governors to suppress their corruptions and inequities...
I suggest you to read one of the books of mr Gulen or investigate his life or to visit the dedicated teachers in their schools in more than 160 countries from all around the world. So you will understand what I mean...
On the other hand You can suggest that Turkish government was mistaken to believe in this ngo or Hizmet movement but you can't claim more than 160 countries governments and their people would be mistaken.. this would be one of the most unreasonable and foolish conspiracy theory that ever been claimed. Thanks.
Sorry but Your sayings are not true facts about this movement but just some conspiracy theories in Turkey which is announced by governors to suppress their corruptions and inequities...
I suggest you to read one of the books of mr Gulen or investigate his life or to visit the dedicated teachers in their schools in more than 160 countries from all around the world. So you will understand what I mean...
On the other hand You can suggest that Turkish government was mistaken to believe in this ngo or Hizmet movement but you can't claim more than 160 countries governments and their people would be mistaken.. this would be one of the most unreasonable and foolish conspiracy theory that ever been claimed. Thanks.
This is a great article summarizes what`s happening in Turkey now. However, it`s heartbreaking to see a great country which was seeking for a greater democracy in the region, suffers with its disappointing leadership. Turkey is a bridge between Europe and Asia, West and East by all means. Unfortunately, incumbent government has been breaking all its political and cultural connections with its neighbors when the whole world needs a role model democracy in the region. AKP Government`s political gains causes a lot of pain. There are a lot of craziness going on in Syria and middle east. I especially blame President Erdogan for his polarizing attitude and because of his desire to rule alone but portraying himself as benevolent.
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The media environment in Turkey can be described as “historically conservative, redistributive, panoptic and discriminatory media autocracy,” and since 2007, there has been an increase in restrictions on media freedom by the government that include “conglomerate pressure, judicial suppression, online banishment, surveillance defamation and accreditation discrimination.”
Turkey is categorized as a “partly free” country by Freedom House. In press freedom, it is categorized “not free” with a rank of 134 out of 197 countries and the Internet in Turkey is categorized as “partly free.” In such an environment, Gülen Movement is empowering people, helping build civil society and providing a means to challenge authoritarian rule.
Turkey is categorized as a “partly free” country by Freedom House. In press freedom, it is categorized “not free” with a rank of 134 out of 197 countries and the Internet in Turkey is categorized as “partly free.” In such an environment, Gülen Movement is empowering people, helping build civil society and providing a means to challenge authoritarian rule.
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Most Turkish media are directly controlled, with government supervisors monitoring all editorial content
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We, as the old voters of Erdogan, thought that if the military domination on Turkish democracy could be eliminated than our society would achieve advenced democracy. Our support to AKP during their first two period was for their promises about EU criteria, civilian constitution, etc.
But we did not think that they will sattle theri own "civilian domination" and couse a degeneracy within their organizations and, purely, goverment agencies.
Besides, its obvious, from much concrete evidences, records etc, that there is a huge corruption!
Now Erdogan found a way to put Turkish puplic off their stoke: Parallel state!
More than one year passed but there is no evidence about this claim.
My pure people! They are watching a bad scenario, an the worse is they believe in it...
But we did not think that they will sattle theri own "civilian domination" and couse a degeneracy within their organizations and, purely, goverment agencies.
Besides, its obvious, from much concrete evidences, records etc, that there is a huge corruption!
Now Erdogan found a way to put Turkish puplic off their stoke: Parallel state!
More than one year passed but there is no evidence about this claim.
My pure people! They are watching a bad scenario, an the worse is they believe in it...
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That is a really clear article that describes the current catastrophic situation in Turkey and Mr Gulen's struggle for freedom and democracy . Our only hope for freedom and democracy is hizmet movement with the help of God.
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Those who still can defend Mr Erdogan and his lawlessness are linked with his company because they have getting benefits, obviously. Today there is no place in media, in bureaucracy for opponents. In the past, Mr Gulen and his company supported Erdogan's party in order to achieve modern democracy but today Mr Erdogan seeks to establish its own tyranny. Unfortunately, there is no transparency and accountability in Erdogan's Turkey. For example, he build a palace that costs more than billions US Dollar just for his presidency. Moreover, even he has full control of executive and legislative powers he is also trying to suppress judiciary to finalize his tyranny.
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This article is a great summary of what is going on in Turkey for the last year. In political science, there is a magic three concept: authoritarianism, corruption and blame the enemy, which completes each other. And the result of this magic three is "eroding democracy in Turkey". That is exactly what A.K.P and Erdogan have been doing for the last 1-2 years. Thanks to Hizmet movement, because when A.K.P made a U turn from democratic and human right values to be more totalitarian, The followers of this movement did not follow them and stood for democratic and human right values despite being declared "enemy/traitor" (according to "fake enemy" concept), and being under pressure , attacks , and crack downs by government at the different level of the society. I am still hopeful that these undemocratic actions will end one day, and Turkish people will understand that the most important concept is democracy ,and human rights not being from right wing or left wing, conservative or liberal or kemalist or religiuos. Once it is understood, Turkey can reach a point of being a peaceful and strong country and a model for many countries.
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Fethullah Gülen is a good Islamic scholar and this article is a brief summary of the things happening in Turkey. The ruling party, AKP, is terrorizing the country, deporting people, putting people in jail because they don't agree with Erdoğan, separating people(even husbands and wives) and creating a chaotic environment just to cover their corruption. But eventually they won't be able to cover the corruption anymore and they are going to be miserable at the end. Hopefully, with the help of God, Turkey will get out of this chaos soon.
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Erdogan and his close circle be it political, be it social, be it economy would know that in fact the movement and AKP had never been on the same page either ideologically or philosophically. Since AKP thinks that once you have a very strong government you would solve all the problem of the country, the latter disagrees that politics may be a solution unless you have a brilliant society.
The very same movement`s spiritual leader Fethullah Gulen bravely issued a condemnation letter against the brutal, cruel, merciless act of 9/11 and its perpetrators.While I assume back then The president would not possibly imagine or dream of doing anything close to this, of-course not, His close stance to extremist groups today explains it well.
The very same movement`s spiritual leader Fethullah Gulen bravely issued a condemnation letter against the brutal, cruel, merciless act of 9/11 and its perpetrators.While I assume back then The president would not possibly imagine or dream of doing anything close to this, of-course not, His close stance to extremist groups today explains it well.
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This undemocrotical situatin is going to change and one day real democracy will be provided in Turkey. Please be patient.
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Fethullah Gulen's criticism is justified. Turkey is sliding towards authoritarianism. Two months ago a Turkish court issued a warrant for his arrest. Today the Turkish government has revoked his passport, sending a signal that it might file a formal request for Gulen's extradition. Washington will most likely reject such a demand, putting the already strained relations with Turkey under further pressure. While the US harbours concerns about Erdogan's increasing authoritarian rule, it also needs to cooperate with Ankara, a Nato ally, on regional issues. Since he became president, Erdogan has been trying to infuriate Washington by ingratiating himself with Putin and other anti-American leaders
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Makkah and its spread through the world from this blessed city. The verse above, “God knows best upon whom to place His Message,” may be understood from the perspective of Divine appointment of the Messengers as well as with respect to the geological, anthropological, historical, human, spatial and linguistic dimensions of Divine Messengership. Indeed, God Almighty knows best upon whom to place His Message and in which community the Messenger will appear. It is also He Who knows best at what point during religious conflicts and clashes among nations the new religion will emerge.
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Mr.Gülen only advises people to be tolerant and respectful to each other. The government in Turkey today attacks both Mr.Gülen and this movement to overlap his corruption.
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Turkey has a huge problem about democracy and i hope that the problem will be solved with Hizmet Movement...
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Hizmet movement is NOT the Solution... it is/was the part(ner) of the problem. Mr Erdogan and Mr Gulen are not any different than each other... They are both trying to establish a Islamic state.
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Turkey is falling down and gaining speed as it falls but many people think we are speeding up and unaware of the fact that this fall will end soon with a great suffering and loss.
Only a couple of intellects such as Fethullah Gulen are raising their voice and openning their arms like a scissors to warn the crowd. Only a few understand and foreseen the terrible stuation we have been drifted by the current goverment.
Only a couple of intellects such as Fethullah Gulen are raising their voice and openning their arms like a scissors to warn the crowd. Only a few understand and foreseen the terrible stuation we have been drifted by the current goverment.
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Turkish scholar Fethullah Gülen, has a sphere of influence on the global scale. Active in more than a hundred countries with schools and intercultural centers, the Gülen movement is considered to be one of the most significant social movements that arose from the Muslim world.
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Thank you editor-in-chief for publishing this article. This is a great article that summarizes what happened in Turkey. See you in the next article...
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Fethullah Gulen's article highlights the risks where turkey is heading. i believe he is the only influential leader in Turkey who has been warning mr erdogan about the dictatorship mr. erdogan wants to create in turkey.world needs Fethullah Gulen's ideas.
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He is a good islamic leader. "Gülen put Nursi's ideas into practice when he was transferred to a mosque in Izmir in 1966. Izmir is a city where political Islam never took root. However, the business and professional middle class came to resent the constraints of a state bureaucracy under whose wings it had grown, and supported market-friendly policies, while preserving at least some elements of a conservative lifestyle.
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At this point, Erdogan is becoming authoritarian even more than Ottoman Sultans of the past. There was still an independent Judiciary system during Ottoman time, but right now Erdogan can manipulate the judiciary system to make arrests at his own will. Freedom of press in Turkey is totally gone. Anybody who speaks against AKP will be threatened and silenced. No sane person in Turkey can claim that there is even freedom of speech in Turkey right now. When will Turkish people put a stop to the injustice going on in Turkey by raising their voice? I hope soon, otherwise Turkey will become another dictatorship of the Middle East.
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"Whenever I ses a leaf fall from its branch in autumn,I feel as much pain as if my arm was amputated" M.FETHULLAH GULEN
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hahaha!
We need to teach our public what is human rights and democracy this article is a claim for that
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It is quite sad that an innocent movement founded on the grounds of developing human welfare around the globe ( Hizmet ) is a victim of false accusations and a public image smear campaign by an nontransparent leading political party . Eventually , the truth shall prevail for nothing is hidden under the Sun.
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It is very worrying to see Turkiye in this undemocratical , hatred environment where some people ara alieniated and eliminated, more it is applied with the name of the government. Moreover, I strongly believe that sooner or later reality will be clear to people and I hope it wont be late.
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This article shows that Fethullah Gülen is on theside of democracy and He always on the side of tolerant and respect.
Mr. Gülen always talks about democracy, human rights and peace... Mr Gülen wants to increase humanity and peace in the world.. Gülen movement shows us great example about this topic.. Humanity.. Education... dialogue
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Fethullah Gulen is a Turkish Islamic scholar, author & poet, education advocate, and preacher emeritus.
Fethullah Gulen is regarded as the founder and inspirer of the global social movement known as the Hizmet (Service) Movement, more popularly known as the Gulen Movement.
In 1994, Mr. Gulen co-founded the “Journalists and Writers Foundation" and was given the title "Honorary President" by the foundation.
In March 1999, upon the recommendation of his doctors, Fethullah Gulen moved to the U.S. to receive medical care.
In July 2008, Fethullah Gulen was voted the top public intellectual in the world by Foreign Policy Magazine.
In April 2013, Gulen was named among the TIME magazine's 100 most influential people list.
Despite the high regard millions hold for him, Mr. Gulen considers himself a volunteering member of the civil society movement he helped found and does not accept any credit of leadership for the Hizmet (Service) Movement.
In his article Fethullah Gulen makes clear the current undemocratic situation in Turkey.
As a Turkish citizen I hope our country will overcome this hard time without big loss.
Fethullah Gulen is regarded as the founder and inspirer of the global social movement known as the Hizmet (Service) Movement, more popularly known as the Gulen Movement.
In 1994, Mr. Gulen co-founded the “Journalists and Writers Foundation" and was given the title "Honorary President" by the foundation.
In March 1999, upon the recommendation of his doctors, Fethullah Gulen moved to the U.S. to receive medical care.
In July 2008, Fethullah Gulen was voted the top public intellectual in the world by Foreign Policy Magazine.
In April 2013, Gulen was named among the TIME magazine's 100 most influential people list.
Despite the high regard millions hold for him, Mr. Gulen considers himself a volunteering member of the civil society movement he helped found and does not accept any credit of leadership for the Hizmet (Service) Movement.
In his article Fethullah Gulen makes clear the current undemocratic situation in Turkey.
As a Turkish citizen I hope our country will overcome this hard time without big loss.
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This article was a pleasure to read! Mr. Fethullah Gulen has done a great job in his synopsis of the abrupt downturn in Turkish democracy. As a Turkish citizen, it's disheartening to see AKP, the current political party in Turkey, approach totalitarianism in an effort to cover up the corruption investigations in their name. They've failed the citizens of Turkey and I pray that my country is governed by democratic leaders in the nearest time before AKP does any more harm.
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Gulen is an İslam alim who has done perfect jobs for both Turkey and the world's peace and brotherhood.This article tells us the reality of Turkey and many facts.we should always support the gulen movement.
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Compassion and love are central concepts in Gülen’s teachings. He advocates tolerance and forgiveness as central Islamic values and he believes peaceful coexistence is not far
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Muhammed Fethullah Gülen is a Turkish preacher former imam,writer,and Islamic opinion leader. He currently lives in a self-imposed exile in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, United States. He is a peace envoy. He always likes talking wtih the people that belong to other religions
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Summary of the close history of Turkey sad but hopeful...
Time will be the best reviewer for those events resulting many citizens of Turkey stamped as traitors, leeches and many other bad names while those deserve to be hailed for standing for a better democracy in Turkey.
Gulen stated this truth in a virtually plain but rich content article.
Kudos...
Time will be the best reviewer for those events resulting many citizens of Turkey stamped as traitors, leeches and many other bad names while those deserve to be hailed for standing for a better democracy in Turkey.
Gulen stated this truth in a virtually plain but rich content article.
Kudos...
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If Gulen İdeas and Movement is not correct , these İdeas are not confessed all over the world . His İdeas today the Country is inspired to 160 people .the complete these countries have agreed that the humanity on the very need of his İdeas . Taking inspiration from him , the young men , everywhere they go, is leading to light . The political lead of Turkey is seeking the mean political power failures guilty.this Movement is required to use this order of this.
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Islam orders peace and a true Muslim can only be symbol of peace and the maintenance of basic human rights.Gulen
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First of all, I want to congratulate to you for this successful article.Mr. Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, healthcare and helping poor people for many years all around the world. I believe Islam has not extremism , it's a religion of peace. For this reason, if we wanna peace we should support Mr.Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement against to Erdogan, AKP, dictators and extreme groups.
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It looks like many commentators are trying to cover the realities such as crack down on the media, clear authoritative tendencies in the new law proposals, and charges against police and law officials following the corruption cases, with conspiracies about Mr. Gulen and his movement.
It is amazing to see how rulers use INVENTED fears to drive their own people into the REAL prisons of totalitarianism both physically and mentally. We have seen this low game played again and again all around the world. It is just plain scary how easily the masses are manipulated into tolerating eradication of diverse views, diverse people, diverse beliefs or diverse cultures.
You don’t have to agree with Mr. Gulen 100% when it comes to your world view, religious perspective and the philosophy of his Movement. However this does not give you a license to deny him and his movement existence and does not make what he says untrue, at least for those of us who have their own brains to think and those who don’t succumb to mindless nationalistic manipulations of puffed up future dictators.
It is amazing to see how rulers use INVENTED fears to drive their own people into the REAL prisons of totalitarianism both physically and mentally. We have seen this low game played again and again all around the world. It is just plain scary how easily the masses are manipulated into tolerating eradication of diverse views, diverse people, diverse beliefs or diverse cultures.
You don’t have to agree with Mr. Gulen 100% when it comes to your world view, religious perspective and the philosophy of his Movement. However this does not give you a license to deny him and his movement existence and does not make what he says untrue, at least for those of us who have their own brains to think and those who don’t succumb to mindless nationalistic manipulations of puffed up future dictators.
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Freedom of press is a must for democratic countries And I would like to thank for this eye-opener article about anti-democratic rhetoric happening and governed by ruling political party A.K.P. in Turkey esp. for people who is not familiar with what Turkish public have been going through for about 3 to 4 years.
Constitutional rights of a Turkish citizens are treated by prejudice by ruling political party. Discrimination against Hizmet movement and regular government officers, policemen and women, public prosecutors and or professional people, doctors, engineers, scientists...
Witch-hunt has become regular in a way you have been given two options my way or hi-way. Well, no one call this a democracy, right?
Tragic things have become so common in these days in Turkey. NGOs are subject to this discrimination, eveven banks and privately-owned businesses.
Wait a minute? You are not agree with me how dramatic it can get a democracy. No, democracy-like autocracy I have to call. Brainwashed people, highly cencorship in media, limited access to free voices.
Constitutional rights of a Turkish citizens are treated by prejudice by ruling political party. Discrimination against Hizmet movement and regular government officers, policemen and women, public prosecutors and or professional people, doctors, engineers, scientists...
Witch-hunt has become regular in a way you have been given two options my way or hi-way. Well, no one call this a democracy, right?
Tragic things have become so common in these days in Turkey. NGOs are subject to this discrimination, eveven banks and privately-owned businesses.
Wait a minute? You are not agree with me how dramatic it can get a democracy. No, democracy-like autocracy I have to call. Brainwashed people, highly cencorship in media, limited access to free voices.
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Little Red Riding Hood Vs Wolfe - Part-1
Fethullah Gulen’s struggle with Erdogan reminds me of the Little Red Riding Hood story. The little girl is asked to take some food to her ailing grandmother. A wolf eats her grandmother and dresses in her clothes by the time she arrives at her house.
After the 2002 election, Erdogan made incredible efforts to have consensus in Turkey. He built dialog and conversation with any “Grandmothers” and “Little Red Riding Hood” including social groups like Gulen and Hizmet Movement and religious minority groups on the way. He needed these agreements to gain more public support and to eliminate military power. Since military intervention was a common problem for everyone Erdogan easily gained public support.
The 2010 Referendum changed everything in Turkey. When Erdogan received 58% of the popular vote during the 2010 referendum, he started putting pressure on these groups. Old “Grandmothers” were eaten without anyone noticing.
Now he plays an innocent role wearing “Grandmother’s” clothes, but the “Grandmother” looks different now that her eyes, ears, nose, and teeth are much bigger than “Little Red Riding Hood” remembers. Before the 2010 Referendum, Erdogan was pro-democracy, human rights, dialog, transparency, freedom of media...etc. Currently, Erdogan is trying to bring all powers including supreme and appeal courts under him despite the fact that it is unconstitutional.
Fethullah Gulen’s struggle with Erdogan reminds me of the Little Red Riding Hood story. The little girl is asked to take some food to her ailing grandmother. A wolf eats her grandmother and dresses in her clothes by the time she arrives at her house.
After the 2002 election, Erdogan made incredible efforts to have consensus in Turkey. He built dialog and conversation with any “Grandmothers” and “Little Red Riding Hood” including social groups like Gulen and Hizmet Movement and religious minority groups on the way. He needed these agreements to gain more public support and to eliminate military power. Since military intervention was a common problem for everyone Erdogan easily gained public support.
The 2010 Referendum changed everything in Turkey. When Erdogan received 58% of the popular vote during the 2010 referendum, he started putting pressure on these groups. Old “Grandmothers” were eaten without anyone noticing.
Now he plays an innocent role wearing “Grandmother’s” clothes, but the “Grandmother” looks different now that her eyes, ears, nose, and teeth are much bigger than “Little Red Riding Hood” remembers. Before the 2010 Referendum, Erdogan was pro-democracy, human rights, dialog, transparency, freedom of media...etc. Currently, Erdogan is trying to bring all powers including supreme and appeal courts under him despite the fact that it is unconstitutional.
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An important person for the world peace.
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Mr. Gülen always talks about democracy, human rights and peace... Mr Gülen wants to increase humanity and peace in the world.. Gülen movement shows us great example about this topic.. Humanity.. Education... dialogue...
In these days, akp government attacks Mr Gülen.. This government killed democracy and human rights , and free media.. erdogan kill who against tyranism. This pathetic actions decrease turkeys honour and Muslims honour.. Corruption in akp government at high levels.. I call erdogan to be common sence.. This people and this country don't deserve that..
In these days, akp government attacks Mr Gülen.. This government killed democracy and human rights , and free media.. erdogan kill who against tyranism. This pathetic actions decrease turkeys honour and Muslims honour.. Corruption in akp government at high levels.. I call erdogan to be common sence.. This people and this country don't deserve that..
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True love will cure all apparently incurable pain and disease, and answer the cries of the modern world.
Gulen
Gulen
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I'm concerned about reports of journalist being detained in Turkey for simply doing their jobs.
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If anybody reads this comment section also sees one truth.
Many comments owner here is Turkish and they have sympathy to Mr. Gulen or they are adherent to his Hizmet movement. They can write and speak English very well, that says a lot. Gulen's people are well educated, teaching a foreign language is one the main goal of his Schools.
Meanwhile Erdogan so far the only prime minister and president of Turkey's history who cannot speak any foreign language.
That says a lot too.
Many comments owner here is Turkish and they have sympathy to Mr. Gulen or they are adherent to his Hizmet movement. They can write and speak English very well, that says a lot. Gulen's people are well educated, teaching a foreign language is one the main goal of his Schools.
Meanwhile Erdogan so far the only prime minister and president of Turkey's history who cannot speak any foreign language.
That says a lot too.
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'Power tend to corrupt and absolute power mean is absolute corruption' says Bismarck. According to this Islamic scholar view we can briefly see a kind of uncontrollable power in third term of A.K.P in Turkey. As he emphasises that party have made some important progress for their country, however after a turning poing of A.K.P. Turkey have lost progress situation. Gulen is trying do something to stop this terrible returning in democracy and human rights.
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Mr.Gülen is very precios not only for Turkey but also all the world.many Thanks to NYT for providing a platform for Gülen to share his ideas.
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Thank you NY Times for publishing this article. This is a great article that summarizes what happened in Turkey. As a Turkish-American living in the US, the situation in Turkey does not only affect the citizens in Turkey, but also those who live in abroad. People’s perspective towards our nation began to shift negatively. When any part of the family does not feel like it is being treated fairly, that should be a problem for all of us. However, the current ruling party violates human rights and continues to loose the nation’s credibility. Basically, it is easy to realize the situation in Turkey by examining how the ruling party keeps changing their strategies. What ever they are saying today is completely different than yesterday. They are just seeking ways to cover up their corruption by moving people’s attention into nonsense issues.
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It is a very good summarize of what's going on in Turkey, thank you NYT team for bringing this to our attention.
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I give importance to the idea of F.Gulen being an authority and a leader of Islamic world and Turkey. But what he says about democracy, human rights, and universal values is not accepted by the ones who haven't got enough capacity to understand them. The ones who don't read Gulen's books or don't listen to his lectures say that F. Gulen is bad. But in his books or lectures he always emphasizes on democracy and peace so he wants democracy and peace to be effective every where in the world. His all books and lectures make and show this idea true. I think he is internationally an intellectual person .
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Mr. Gulen is not the only one who emphasizes what happened in Turkey in last several years. Freedom House issued the latest annual report on political rights and civil liberties, Freedom in the World 2015. The report is emphasizing that Erdogan and the ruling party, AKP, have been breaking down Turkish democracy, human rights, and justice system during the last years by using absolute power. The report highlights that as the government has been relocating judges, prosecutors, and police chiefs, it interfered with the Turkish justice system, put pressure on the Turkish court system, and banned and limited Internet access. The annual report indicates that Erdoğan has been destroying democratic pluralism in Turkey, controlling media patrons, and using force to opponent journalists. Moreover, the report states that Erdogan and his oligarch cabinet have been bypassing the Turkish constitution and the government agencies. On the other hand, the report indicates the Gulen movement is victimized by Erdogan and his oligarch because of its opposition. The executives and journalists in Zaman newspaper and Samanyolu TV channel, and businessmen, and its followers were detained and some of them arrested without any concrete evidence. As a Turkish citizen, I strongly agree with Mr. Gulen pointing out that the democracy and human rights in Turkey have been under pressure. Mr. Gulen shows that Turkish people must advocate their legal and democratic rights for their future and their country.
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First of all I want to thank Mr. Gulen for explaining what has been actually going on in Turkey in a fair way. There are no agitations, no threats, or heartbreaking and hard-to-believe words pointed towards Erdogan. With his always kind and peaceful words, he has been an inspiration for many people and will continue to be so.
'Hizmet' movement has always been under attack from different groups, but the most shocking one was from Erdogan. Everybody would remember how Mr. Gulen suggested Turkish citizens all around the world to go and vote for AKP during the elections in the past years. It was not for Erdogan though, and people miss the point. It was for the belief he had about democracy and the peaceful country he always hoped where women wearing headscarves would not be alienated, Kurds could be Kurds, Alevi's could pray in their own 'Cemevi', etc. He always promoted peace and right of education. That's why people who shared the same ideals and hopes spread all over the world, and of course Turkey. Now, people who share the same blood is accusing each other for some lunatic "parallel organization" joke. These are all Turkish citizens, of course they will find jobs in various government or non-government based jobs. But people interpret this as a threat and an epidemic spreading the whole country.
I hope we all try to see what is going on behind the curtains, and what is Erdogan’s intention for Turkey as a whole.
'Hizmet' movement has always been under attack from different groups, but the most shocking one was from Erdogan. Everybody would remember how Mr. Gulen suggested Turkish citizens all around the world to go and vote for AKP during the elections in the past years. It was not for Erdogan though, and people miss the point. It was for the belief he had about democracy and the peaceful country he always hoped where women wearing headscarves would not be alienated, Kurds could be Kurds, Alevi's could pray in their own 'Cemevi', etc. He always promoted peace and right of education. That's why people who shared the same ideals and hopes spread all over the world, and of course Turkey. Now, people who share the same blood is accusing each other for some lunatic "parallel organization" joke. These are all Turkish citizens, of course they will find jobs in various government or non-government based jobs. But people interpret this as a threat and an epidemic spreading the whole country.
I hope we all try to see what is going on behind the curtains, and what is Erdogan’s intention for Turkey as a whole.
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The article is indeed a good summary of what is happening right now in Turkey. Unfortunately Turkey is becoming a dictatorship; the rule of laws is not in effect anymore; the government doesn't care constitution and shuffles judiciary and police. The government also *owns* +50% of the media and suppressed half of the remaining. We have mostly Twitter and pro-Gulen media to fight back and they are not sufficient. The next elections seem to be the only hope. Unfortunately ordinary people in Turkey don't have access to unbiased news.
I'd like to add a few words on Mr. Gulen and Hizmet movement, too. They are quite sensitive on human rights and democracy issues. And they did quite a good job in secular education world wide. Most of Hizmet volunteers are well educated and they are all over the world. They are able to see where Turkey is going. I hope they won't kneel down in front of the dictatorship.
I'd like to add a few words on Mr. Gulen and Hizmet movement, too. They are quite sensitive on human rights and democracy issues. And they did quite a good job in secular education world wide. Most of Hizmet volunteers are well educated and they are all over the world. They are able to see where Turkey is going. I hope they won't kneel down in front of the dictatorship.
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"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
As Turkish citizens, we are eye-witnessing this proverb.
There is no way that Mr Erdogan can fight with the corruption which means fighting with his own existence. Instead, he is creating an enemy which he is really good at it, and fighting till the end so that public does not see and talk about the corruptions.
He knows that there is no way out but to continue his witch-hunt.
As Turkish citizens, we are eye-witnessing this proverb.
There is no way that Mr Erdogan can fight with the corruption which means fighting with his own existence. Instead, he is creating an enemy which he is really good at it, and fighting till the end so that public does not see and talk about the corruptions.
He knows that there is no way out but to continue his witch-hunt.
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First of all, I wanna congratulate to you for this successful article.
Mr. Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, healthcare and helping poor people for many years all around the world. I believe Islam has not extremism , it's a religion of peace. For this reason, if we wanna peace we should support Mr.Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement against to Erdogan, AKP, dictators and extreme groups.
Mr. Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement have done beautiful jobs especially about education, healthcare and helping poor people for many years all around the world. I believe Islam has not extremism , it's a religion of peace. For this reason, if we wanna peace we should support Mr.Fethullah Gulen and Hizmet movement against to Erdogan, AKP, dictators and extreme groups.
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As always this is a great article, that summarizes many facts about Turkeys current troubles and emphasize where Hizmet movement stands.
Turkey cannot compromise from "Human rights, Freedom of Press and rule of law. It's the key country in the middle east as an ally of USA and NATO member.
Fethullah Gulen always advocated Democracy, Education, Human Rights and Peace.He made clear once again that Hizmet's position politically is not supporting a political party blindly, but supporting the right projects like EU, and embracing universal principles.
Thanks to NY Times for this article
Turkey cannot compromise from "Human rights, Freedom of Press and rule of law. It's the key country in the middle east as an ally of USA and NATO member.
Fethullah Gulen always advocated Democracy, Education, Human Rights and Peace.He made clear once again that Hizmet's position politically is not supporting a political party blindly, but supporting the right projects like EU, and embracing universal principles.
Thanks to NY Times for this article
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Mr. Gulen's contribution to world peace is priceless. With the education and dialogue facilities in more than 150 countries, Gulen deserves Nobel Peace Price much more than anyone else. Gulen has always got a firm standing in favour of human rights, democracy, rule of law. On the other hand, he strongly condemns all sort of radicalism and violance. Once he said, 'Osame Ben Laden is the person that I hate the most in the world'.
Gulen is very precious not only for Turkey, but also all mankind. Meanwhile, many thanks to New York Times for providing a platform for Gulen to share his ideas.
Gulen is very precious not only for Turkey, but also all mankind. Meanwhile, many thanks to New York Times for providing a platform for Gulen to share his ideas.
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This op-ed is important not only because it powerfully describes the ongoing downturn in Turkey's democracy but also beacuse it is penned by someone whose life is a summary of Turkey's uphill battle to establish rule of law
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A fair article on the current state of democracy in Turkey. I voted many times for Erdogan's party as well as his previous party (Fazilet/Refah). However, I have been shockingly watching now what the government has been doing for the past year. The AKP government worked very well in the beginning, and improved both the economy and democracy of the country. But, with the corruption investigations surfacing, all of these gains have been given up to cover up their corruption allegations. I find the government's actions consistent with the psychology of self-confession to the corruption charges. Although the Turkish government messed up the entire judicial system and police forces, people still firmly believe that the big corruption scandal is indeed true.
The AKP government acted such that he would convert this scandal to its benefit by blaming Gulen and his supporters as if they plotted a coup against the government. I found this very unrealistic. It wouldn't be surprising that there are Gulen supporters in different segments of the society, bureaucracy, health, education, etc. similar to any other Turkish Citizen. What is however not acceptable is that these supporters go above the law to do something against the government. To this date, AKP government couldn't show evidence that this is the case. Gulen himself has been saying in this article that if there is any wrongdoing, those individuals must be prosecuted.This time will be remembered as shameful for Turkish democracy.
The AKP government acted such that he would convert this scandal to its benefit by blaming Gulen and his supporters as if they plotted a coup against the government. I found this very unrealistic. It wouldn't be surprising that there are Gulen supporters in different segments of the society, bureaucracy, health, education, etc. similar to any other Turkish Citizen. What is however not acceptable is that these supporters go above the law to do something against the government. To this date, AKP government couldn't show evidence that this is the case. Gulen himself has been saying in this article that if there is any wrongdoing, those individuals must be prosecuted.This time will be remembered as shameful for Turkish democracy.
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I have been closely observing Turkey for the last few years. This observation is not only limited to the political landscape but also social dynamics as well. I have also participated in many activities organized by Hizmet movement and could say that I understand the main underpinning of this social, non-governmental organization. I agree with Mr. Gulen that for a democracy to survive and thrive, there needs to be checks and balances. Currently, there is no separation of powers in Turkey. A country once pointed as the model for all neighboring states and aspiring to become part of the EU now has no pull in the region and being scolded by EU for its outrages actions agains human rights, freedom of press, and rule of law. I do believe that Turkey's president has become a totalitarian. It is refreshing to hear from a Islamic scholar to talk about democratic values. We need to listen to his concerns. I thank NY Times for publishing this op-ed.
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PART 4
I should like to pay a great tribute to those who run and support the schools of the Gulen movement, as well as to all those parents who become so willingly involved in their children’s education. The ideology of that organisation, with its emphasis on respect, courtesy, dedication and striving for achievement, involves each child and family in a manner which I can see enables a child to be well-educated in a thoroughly rounded way, and not just by rote, and equips the child to make the best of him- or herself in a modern society. I certainly feel that it is a pity that generally in England there is far less expectation, or response, from parents as to playing their part in the education of their own children - except in schools operated by the Wisdom organisation. If I were young enough to have school-age children I would certainly consider sending them to a Wisdom School, as I would be confident that this would give them both a hugely beneficial, and very enjoyable, start to their lives.
Harvey Marshall
BSc. D Litt (Hon) FRICS
Lord Mayor of the City of Westminster 2001-2
Chairman, Turkish British Chamber of Commerce and Industry 2005-12
21 April 2014
I should like to pay a great tribute to those who run and support the schools of the Gulen movement, as well as to all those parents who become so willingly involved in their children’s education. The ideology of that organisation, with its emphasis on respect, courtesy, dedication and striving for achievement, involves each child and family in a manner which I can see enables a child to be well-educated in a thoroughly rounded way, and not just by rote, and equips the child to make the best of him- or herself in a modern society. I certainly feel that it is a pity that generally in England there is far less expectation, or response, from parents as to playing their part in the education of their own children - except in schools operated by the Wisdom organisation. If I were young enough to have school-age children I would certainly consider sending them to a Wisdom School, as I would be confident that this would give them both a hugely beneficial, and very enjoyable, start to their lives.
Harvey Marshall
BSc. D Litt (Hon) FRICS
Lord Mayor of the City of Westminster 2001-2
Chairman, Turkish British Chamber of Commerce and Industry 2005-12
21 April 2014
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PART 2
As to educational standards, I found these to be quite remarkable. I remember, vividly, visiting a secondary school in Turkey where the pupils’ command of English was exceptional. The school also had the latest technology and would be envied anywhere in the United Kingdom. Indeed as regards maths and science, the advanced level of the textbooks on view, and the proudly displayed trophies and awards from international “Olympiads” in all the schools which my wife and I visited, testified to the heights of attainment by pupils, and the schools’ encouragement of pride in achievement. The same applied, in even greater measure, to a University that I visited in Baku (where even the desks were constructed to sustain earthquakes). I spoke to the students about their graduation, and it was encouraging that they also responded extremely favourably when I mentioned the magic word “football”, and knew all the names of the English players of any note!
As to educational standards, I found these to be quite remarkable. I remember, vividly, visiting a secondary school in Turkey where the pupils’ command of English was exceptional. The school also had the latest technology and would be envied anywhere in the United Kingdom. Indeed as regards maths and science, the advanced level of the textbooks on view, and the proudly displayed trophies and awards from international “Olympiads” in all the schools which my wife and I visited, testified to the heights of attainment by pupils, and the schools’ encouragement of pride in achievement. The same applied, in even greater measure, to a University that I visited in Baku (where even the desks were constructed to sustain earthquakes). I spoke to the students about their graduation, and it was encouraging that they also responded extremely favourably when I mentioned the magic word “football”, and knew all the names of the English players of any note!
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I just wanted to share a letter of Harvey Marshall, Lord Mayor of the City of Westminster 2001-2002 about the Gulen schools known as Wisdom schools here in the UK and all over the world.Thanks in advance for your time for reading it.
Wisdom Schools:
As the former Chairman of the Turkish British Chamber of Commerce and Industry, I was introduced to the organisation promoting the Wisdom School movement in the UK, in the latter 1990s, and continued my interest into the new millennium when I became Lord Mayor of the City of Westminster. I visited many of the Schools throughout Europe and the East, and also the Wisdom School now operating in London, which was established in this time.
I was most impressed with the style and ethos of the schools which I visited, as well as their sincerity and dedication, but in particular with their involvement of parents in the fullness of their children’s education. It was a delight to see old-fashioned standards being maintained, with children wearing uniforms, and teachers being smartly dressed, and with respect being shown, both from pupils to teachers and teachers to pupils. As in my days at school (many years ago) the children were being taught the importance of respect for others and of courtesy, even down to standing up when someone entered their classroom. When they wanted to ask a question, they would do this by raising their hands, and not just shouting.
Wisdom Schools:
As the former Chairman of the Turkish British Chamber of Commerce and Industry, I was introduced to the organisation promoting the Wisdom School movement in the UK, in the latter 1990s, and continued my interest into the new millennium when I became Lord Mayor of the City of Westminster. I visited many of the Schools throughout Europe and the East, and also the Wisdom School now operating in London, which was established in this time.
I was most impressed with the style and ethos of the schools which I visited, as well as their sincerity and dedication, but in particular with their involvement of parents in the fullness of their children’s education. It was a delight to see old-fashioned standards being maintained, with children wearing uniforms, and teachers being smartly dressed, and with respect being shown, both from pupils to teachers and teachers to pupils. As in my days at school (many years ago) the children were being taught the importance of respect for others and of courtesy, even down to standing up when someone entered their classroom. When they wanted to ask a question, they would do this by raising their hands, and not just shouting.
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Three things are required for a nation to prosper and outperform all others: 1- Rule of Law 2- Property Rights 3- Freedom of speech. Looking at what's going on in Turkey right now it is clear Erdogan and his party are destroying the very dynamics of prosperity and vibrancy required to be called a developed democracy. Gulen is a man of integrity whereas Erdogan lost his credibility the minute he started the Putinazation of Turkey. To use an economic term Erdogan is merely a correction in an overall bull market for Turkey.
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This is very conscious and concrete analysis of recent unfortunate developments in Turkey. The article reflects the simple historic facts out of very chaotic environment of the present that many fails to understand what is right or wrong as a result of more and more one-sided media-tic manipulations in Turkey.
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Mr Fethullah Gulen thank you for your contribution to democracy and humanity. As a turkish citizen I'd like to say Turkish Goverment is going to wrong way and only one islamic scholar who is Fethullah Gulen is saying your way is wrong . My advice to Turkish ruling party must be turn to democracy freedom of speech and tolerance
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Fethullah Gülen is a renowned Muslim scholars worldwide. Fethullah Gülen is a Muslim who introduced Islam to the world in the best way. Islam turkey and turkey with schools opened in the female was introduced to the world in the best way. the world of Islam is to live according to the most beautiful and the best way of faith.
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I have to agree with the article. There are things that you can blame on the Hizmet movement, but NOTHING CAN JUSTIFY the current witch hunt and the persection of them by Erdogan's AKP.
I also have to point out the lack of a proper understanding displayed by some followers of the Turkish politics. Hizmet's support of the Ergenekon coup trial was based on a ton of ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Hours of recorded conversation, thousands of signed pages all documenting a terrifying and apparent attempt and plans to bring the country under the control of a military junta. None of the Ergenekon suspects were acquitted because they were falsely accused. There were problems about the way trial went, but not with the actual case of a military coup against a government. When Hizmet and the affiliated newspaper Zaman supported the Ergenekon coup trial, it was based on real, tangible evidence.
Today, Erdogan is trying to frame the Hizmet movement as an instrument of, well pretty much every ideological enemy of the state. Funny.
What is going on in Turkey today is just another episode in the history of tyrannical governments trying to eradicate opposition.
I argued in the past that unchecked power corrupted Erdogan but I was too naive as there has never been an uncorrupted Erdogan. He probably was a shrewd politician bent on unchecked domination of the Turkish state even when faked as a reforming democrat. I had voted for him twice, but will never vote for his party again.
I also have to point out the lack of a proper understanding displayed by some followers of the Turkish politics. Hizmet's support of the Ergenekon coup trial was based on a ton of ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Hours of recorded conversation, thousands of signed pages all documenting a terrifying and apparent attempt and plans to bring the country under the control of a military junta. None of the Ergenekon suspects were acquitted because they were falsely accused. There were problems about the way trial went, but not with the actual case of a military coup against a government. When Hizmet and the affiliated newspaper Zaman supported the Ergenekon coup trial, it was based on real, tangible evidence.
Today, Erdogan is trying to frame the Hizmet movement as an instrument of, well pretty much every ideological enemy of the state. Funny.
What is going on in Turkey today is just another episode in the history of tyrannical governments trying to eradicate opposition.
I argued in the past that unchecked power corrupted Erdogan but I was too naive as there has never been an uncorrupted Erdogan. He probably was a shrewd politician bent on unchecked domination of the Turkish state even when faked as a reforming democrat. I had voted for him twice, but will never vote for his party again.
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In addition to reading religious texts, Fethullah Gulen should also have familiarized himself with French journalist Jacques Mallet du Pan's famous adage coined during the French Revolution in 1793: "la révolution dévore ses enfants" ("the Revolution devours its children").
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What I think that Mr. Gulen did not support AKP on the contrary, he supported right projects
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Good to read the comments of Fethullah about his schools. They always promoted their schools as the voice of Islam and their teachers as the companions of our Prophet Mohammad. Now, we, as the Muslims, clearly understand that Fethullah's schools are secular. This is a desperate confession. After the curse of Fethullah to Mr. Erdogan, they started to loose their base among Anatolian Muslims. Now, the objective and pure Anatolian Muslims will understand the real face of Fethullah and his supporters. They will impede their financial aid to Fethullah's supporters. Then, this 'secular' movement will cancel out itself. Thanks Fethullah. It is good to hear from you what we already know.
Mr. Erdogan! Do not give up your campaign against these assasins. Your voters are behind you. 50% of Turks are walking with you. Please wipe out all the assasins from judiciary, bureaucracy and the military. May God be with you!
Mr. Erdogan! Do not give up your campaign against these assasins. Your voters are behind you. 50% of Turks are walking with you. Please wipe out all the assasins from judiciary, bureaucracy and the military. May God be with you!
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Very concise picture of Turkey. He definitely feels AKP pressure from the distance and ponder on the problems of society. Just look at recent NYT articles on AKP's decisions on EU and Syria politics. You will thoroughly understand what Mr. Gulen means. Turkey is even cannot recognized by many allies in recently years.
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Mr. Erdogan is the biggest failure of the Political Islam. Turkish government dramatically changed its goals in the last few years. In the beginning AKP claimed their goal was having Turkey join the European Union , meaning to govern with western standard democracy.
At that time the achievements were accomplished with the support of different groups in Turkey. Unfortunately last several years has been a huge disappointment for the Turkish people, Turkey is getting farther away from western standards each day.
Two days ago a western reporter, Frederike Geerdink, was prosecuted and could be face up to five years prison because of a “tweet”! She is not the only one, Sedef Kabas and many others are already prosecuted because they chose to voice their opinion through twitter.
Such incidents clearly show where Turkish democratic standards stand.
Mr. Gulen’s op-ed clearly explained that he supported AKP when they were on the right track towards true democracy and why he is not supporting them now.
Mr.Gulen’s vision for democratic standards is extremely important for world peace, as he was the first Muslim scholar to declare that there is no going back from democracy. And he continues to say the same thing today.
At that time the achievements were accomplished with the support of different groups in Turkey. Unfortunately last several years has been a huge disappointment for the Turkish people, Turkey is getting farther away from western standards each day.
Two days ago a western reporter, Frederike Geerdink, was prosecuted and could be face up to five years prison because of a “tweet”! She is not the only one, Sedef Kabas and many others are already prosecuted because they chose to voice their opinion through twitter.
Such incidents clearly show where Turkish democratic standards stand.
Mr. Gulen’s op-ed clearly explained that he supported AKP when they were on the right track towards true democracy and why he is not supporting them now.
Mr.Gulen’s vision for democratic standards is extremely important for world peace, as he was the first Muslim scholar to declare that there is no going back from democracy. And he continues to say the same thing today.
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I just want to add an important point. Those who think that Mr Gulen was an ally of Erdogan, or he was trying to get political power in Turkey are in accurate in their judgments and they are skewing the facts to base injustice towards Gulen's followers.
The truth is Mr Gulen was never interested in Turkish politics. He was never involved in any kind of political activity. He was never a political ally of anyone. Mr Gulen many times defended by Mr Ecevit, he is totally opposite of Erdogan.
As a person raised in Turkey, I can say that minorities, especially non-muslim minorities were never treated as neighbors. There were a lot of conspiracy about them. Mr Gulen's teachings were towards educating people and respecting differences. and he himself showed an example of that by visiting, orthodox, jewish and many other minority groups in Turkey.
If he was seeking political power why would he put effort to highlight minority rights.
If he was seeking political power why would he abstain from politics himself? If he was seeking political power why would he urge people to open secular schools all across the world. The Answer is HE WAS NOT SEEKING POLITICAL POWER. He was never an ally of Erdogan. When Erdogan was uplifting the democracy, Gulen was with him. when erdogan is corrupting he is not. I think that is a very sensible and logical position for every democratic and righteous person.
Defending truth even if it is painful is what Gulen and his followers are doing now. SO BRAVE
The truth is Mr Gulen was never interested in Turkish politics. He was never involved in any kind of political activity. He was never a political ally of anyone. Mr Gulen many times defended by Mr Ecevit, he is totally opposite of Erdogan.
As a person raised in Turkey, I can say that minorities, especially non-muslim minorities were never treated as neighbors. There were a lot of conspiracy about them. Mr Gulen's teachings were towards educating people and respecting differences. and he himself showed an example of that by visiting, orthodox, jewish and many other minority groups in Turkey.
If he was seeking political power why would he put effort to highlight minority rights.
If he was seeking political power why would he abstain from politics himself? If he was seeking political power why would he urge people to open secular schools all across the world. The Answer is HE WAS NOT SEEKING POLITICAL POWER. He was never an ally of Erdogan. When Erdogan was uplifting the democracy, Gulen was with him. when erdogan is corrupting he is not. I think that is a very sensible and logical position for every democratic and righteous person.
Defending truth even if it is painful is what Gulen and his followers are doing now. SO BRAVE
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Kenan , I cannot say that he is not seeking political power, he is but not as political career. But he is seeking anyway. You cannot say that You have a good relationship with prime ministers but you are not there for political power.
However, deep down the issue is, after 12 years of AKP government, Turkish Islamic politics has come to divert their road, Gulen group is surely the intellectual and education side of this equation. Erdogan side is clearly shows their color, poorly educated, corrupt, opportunistic, no vision what so ever.
Gulen in that sense , he is a person he proved that he values Non secular western style education ( in the west there are a lot of religion affiliated good schools exist).
Erdogan lost his charm that is sure.
However, deep down the issue is, after 12 years of AKP government, Turkish Islamic politics has come to divert their road, Gulen group is surely the intellectual and education side of this equation. Erdogan side is clearly shows their color, poorly educated, corrupt, opportunistic, no vision what so ever.
Gulen in that sense , he is a person he proved that he values Non secular western style education ( in the west there are a lot of religion affiliated good schools exist).
Erdogan lost his charm that is sure.
Erdogan is a hypocrite when it comes to West or Israel: he publicly bashes Israel when the opportunity arises, to secure votes from various radical elements from within his followers, but he will happily cut deals with Israel if it helps hims politically or financially. Even his own son, Bilal, has many commercial ties with Israel (which is totally fine by me, but I object to the hypocrisy).
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It is really sad to see that all Erdogan opponents are here. But, after the elections you will once again see that this article and comments are not true. Turkish people will vote again for AKP and Erdogan. So, you have to ask yourselves right now the question ; should we really just talk here to burst out our anger to Erdogan or rather try to make a peace with our majority of people (50% of Turkey's population) who support Erdogan and AKP.
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So you say that percentage of votes for a party legitimizes everything in terms of justice?
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They never get a lesson! But we are patient! Another election, another victory! Look forward to the elections in June Mr Gulen:)
All the Gulen followers are here, again very active, as always, to promote him and to catch new followers!
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Not everyone who agrees with the article is a follower. Neither everyone who votes for the AKP is a follower of AKP. I comment here as I see it is my duty, as an individual who is familiar with the events, to share my thoughts. It is a pity you turn to false accusations when you encounter opposite views. How Erdogan-like of you.
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I'm glad to see a Muslim scholar standing up against authoritarianism. This article presents the mindset that is desperately needed not only in Turkey but also in the middle east. I hope this can be an opportunity for this movement and its ideas to spread. Then we might hope all of authoritarian rulers and ISIS in the extreme lose power and dissolve from the scenery.
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Unfortunately, they rotate the Turkey for the last two years asylum. Mr Gulen again urge common sense. I hope AKP government returns to democracy.
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Finally, a strong voice from the Muslim world is making a case for democracy based on the genuine Islamic sources. Mr. Gulen rightly points that Turkey, a county once commended for its success in blending modernity with Islamic identity, has been steadily drifting towards authoritarianism under Mr. Erdogan's iron fist rule. I join Mr. Gulen in hoping that Turks will say enough is enough, and put their country back on the course of democratization. Thank you NY Times, by the way, for giving space to such moderate voices as well.
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Mr Gulen and his followers created this monster and now, they complain about it. Mr Gulen and his handpicked judiciary and police jailed thousands of innocent people using the fabricated documents. Mr Gulen and his Hizmet movement helped Mr Erdogan to demolished democratic, secular republic for a new Islamic totalitarian kingdom. Mr Gulen is the last person to defend the Democracy in Turkey.
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I agree with all the words of this article. It is easy to see how Mr Erdogan have changed in recent years and how he loved power, how he have pushed to side anybody who threatens his power, how he started lying to justify his doings, how he polarized Turkish people, how he accused an Beloved islamic scholar as terrorist.
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Mr. Fethullah Gulen always believes democracy and human rights. He is speaking about peace, freedom, brotherhood of all people, education, free media. He and his followers are believe Turkish people and peaceful future on all over the world.
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I totally agree with the statements written by Mr. Gulen. We all believed that Erdogan and his ruling party were a hope and solution not only for Turks but also for the entire Muslim countries. However, we were wrong and we understood the realities starting late 2013..
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"The core tenets of a functioning democracy — the rule of law, respect for individual freedoms — are also the most basic of Islamic values bestowed upon us by God."
Perhaps the author would do better to acknowledge that the rule of law and respect for individual rights are not bestowed on us by a higher power at all. It is up to us, all of us regardless of faith to acknowledge each others worth and acknowledge it with the force of law that is bestowed on us by each other.
By relying on God's view as we see it we have already undermined the law we have all agreed to live under.
Perhaps the author would do better to acknowledge that the rule of law and respect for individual rights are not bestowed on us by a higher power at all. It is up to us, all of us regardless of faith to acknowledge each others worth and acknowledge it with the force of law that is bestowed on us by each other.
By relying on God's view as we see it we have already undermined the law we have all agreed to live under.
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When Erdogan's Deputy Prime Minister said last year that it was against propriety for women to laugh in public, it was only the beginning. In the past several months Erdogan himself has declared gender equality "against human nature", said all Turkish women should have three children, berated an internationally respected woman journalist during a televised debate as "shameless" and "not knowing her place", and the list goes on. In fact the Deputy Prime Minister's laughter remarks were prescient in the sense that very few people in Turkey have much to laugh about at the moment-particularly women.
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Akp and Erdoğan has failed about what they have promised to Turkey and her people
New constitution have you heard
More democracy more jobs
Nothing since the election 2010 they turned back on people only their agenda was real for them
Gained more power than ever yet not satisfied with people
False accusations and TV series how can be material documents about a case
I don't believe them any more
I was supported them for good being of Turkey not this
Hizmet movement and his people has no political agenda like Erdogan has
And the hizmet movement can say easily this is wrong
Without fair trial or exams who is becoming official of this government they should really look into
My father believed them but now I think he is in such pain
I don'tthink morality improved in Turkey during their ruling or changed in good way
Twitter was closed by their order not with a verdict or case result
Facebook YouTube was restricted time to time
I don't think while they are ruling Turkey will have bright future.
Thank you publish ing this article because it shows simply what is happening in My beloved country Turkey
New constitution have you heard
More democracy more jobs
Nothing since the election 2010 they turned back on people only their agenda was real for them
Gained more power than ever yet not satisfied with people
False accusations and TV series how can be material documents about a case
I don't believe them any more
I was supported them for good being of Turkey not this
Hizmet movement and his people has no political agenda like Erdogan has
And the hizmet movement can say easily this is wrong
Without fair trial or exams who is becoming official of this government they should really look into
My father believed them but now I think he is in such pain
I don'tthink morality improved in Turkey during their ruling or changed in good way
Twitter was closed by their order not with a verdict or case result
Facebook YouTube was restricted time to time
I don't think while they are ruling Turkey will have bright future.
Thank you publish ing this article because it shows simply what is happening in My beloved country Turkey
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"Without checks and balances, no individual or group is safe from the ruling party’s wrath". This is exactly what is going on in Turkey under Erdogan's regime. Every corner of the state has been taken under Erdogan's control. Erdogan was quite skilful to form a cycle of people who enjoys benefits of applauding and praising whatever he says and he does; it does not matter whether he lies or not, he proves what he says or not.
But I am also hopeful that people of Turkey is getting to know what is wrong with Erdogan.
But I am also hopeful that people of Turkey is getting to know what is wrong with Erdogan.
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In a time when everyone is confused Gulen comes out with a clear message and this is important. Muslims are hesitant to condemn ISIS and the like and Gulen is not.
Unfortunately Gulen and his movement was very unfortunate that they have always been debated with reference to futile domestic politics and many who had various agendas chose to pull Gulen into political scene use him as a convenient enemy/opponent.
It is a vital necessity to discuss Gulen, his thoughts and the movement in their own merit as a scholar, leader, theologian, and social movement. This will afford us the the opportunity and tool to tackle many of the chronic problems of our time.
Unfortunately Gulen and his movement was very unfortunate that they have always been debated with reference to futile domestic politics and many who had various agendas chose to pull Gulen into political scene use him as a convenient enemy/opponent.
It is a vital necessity to discuss Gulen, his thoughts and the movement in their own merit as a scholar, leader, theologian, and social movement. This will afford us the the opportunity and tool to tackle many of the chronic problems of our time.
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This is a wonderful article! I am really happy that Gulen brought to light the fact that Hizmet Movement and the Erdogan used to support one another, which changed when the Erdogan began to shift his priorities and the path he was headed on. Both Gulen and followers of Hizmet were able to think critically about their government and therefore understand the newly-forming authoritarian tendencies of Erdogan, which I think is very important. I hope that changes are made soon because the democratic state of Turkey as we know it is at risk.
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I spent ten enlightening days in Turkey last year, enthralled by its history, culture, scenic and architectural beauty. Until the current administration, Turkey was one of the most welcoming of countries to minorities; Jews thrived there despite 600 years of discrimination and murder, pogroms and prison camps, found in much of the "civilized" world. My heart goes out to the people of the Hizmet movement who appreciate what is happening to their country, and to the multitude who have not recognized the calamity that seems likely to befall them.
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I had read the comments at a breath taking speed, valueing the article but finding it less then what has to be said.
One of the basic principles of forming a society is to keep the trust of the people to each other and what Erdogan is doing, playing with the very crucial dynamics of the society and let the people think about one another to be the man of someone else, manipulating the public opinion with a goverment fed media. Very pitying the Turkish society to have the new sultan Erdogan
One of the basic principles of forming a society is to keep the trust of the people to each other and what Erdogan is doing, playing with the very crucial dynamics of the society and let the people think about one another to be the man of someone else, manipulating the public opinion with a goverment fed media. Very pitying the Turkish society to have the new sultan Erdogan
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This article does a great service to the Hizmet movement itself as it is a clear statement of position by the most important name of the movement on the current state of affairs in Turkey as it is on Islam, democracy and human rights. We should expect more from Gulen giving strong support to the case of a peaceful Islam with respect for diversity, democracy, and basic human rights.
The case of Erdogan is a tragedy in that we are witnessing a skilled politician on the way to ending his career as an authoritarian, intolerant, isolationist leader possibly engulfed in corruption. Despite the fact that he directly controls much of Turkish media including the state-owned TRT channels, he literally runs from the other media banning them from the press conferences, his official trips, his new White Palace. You won't find him responding to a question from the media that he doesn't have any control over. This fact alone shows how vulnerable he has become. His isolation not only in the Middle East but in the West and other parts of the world is only tragic if compared to the applaud he was getting a few years ago in every part of the world. No one could have imagined a Turkish president going after the Turkish schools in more than 160 countries of the world trying to close them down or taking over them with no legal or logical basis whatsoever. But it is happening: a Turkish president labeling schools opened by Turkish citizens as harmful and dangerous. Too bad that it is happening.
The case of Erdogan is a tragedy in that we are witnessing a skilled politician on the way to ending his career as an authoritarian, intolerant, isolationist leader possibly engulfed in corruption. Despite the fact that he directly controls much of Turkish media including the state-owned TRT channels, he literally runs from the other media banning them from the press conferences, his official trips, his new White Palace. You won't find him responding to a question from the media that he doesn't have any control over. This fact alone shows how vulnerable he has become. His isolation not only in the Middle East but in the West and other parts of the world is only tragic if compared to the applaud he was getting a few years ago in every part of the world. No one could have imagined a Turkish president going after the Turkish schools in more than 160 countries of the world trying to close them down or taking over them with no legal or logical basis whatsoever. But it is happening: a Turkish president labeling schools opened by Turkish citizens as harmful and dangerous. Too bad that it is happening.
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So weird! It is proven left and right that Erdogan is a corrupt. But we are discussing Mr Gulen.
I think it is ridiculous that we even talk about this. AKP is corrupt. In order to keep the power they are even more corrupt now. and people are trying to judge Mr Gulen.
I found this ironic.
Facts 1- 70% of the media owned by Erdogan. How. over the last 10 years government took over 70% of the media by force! and it is not through hidden hands. Erdogan's son in law, who has nothing to with media administration ownes a newspaper.
2- All the government aids to the poor people are done through AKP. so he solidifies his base
3- Erdogan hates, alevites, christians, jewish people and promotes hatred to solidify his base, who are mostly uneducated people.
Gulen is a person who promotes peace and education so it is obvious that why Erdogan philosophically target Gulen. Education, peace brings free thinking and elevated life standards all of them will destroy oligarch.
I think it is ridiculous that we even talk about this. AKP is corrupt. In order to keep the power they are even more corrupt now. and people are trying to judge Mr Gulen.
I found this ironic.
Facts 1- 70% of the media owned by Erdogan. How. over the last 10 years government took over 70% of the media by force! and it is not through hidden hands. Erdogan's son in law, who has nothing to with media administration ownes a newspaper.
2- All the government aids to the poor people are done through AKP. so he solidifies his base
3- Erdogan hates, alevites, christians, jewish people and promotes hatred to solidify his base, who are mostly uneducated people.
Gulen is a person who promotes peace and education so it is obvious that why Erdogan philosophically target Gulen. Education, peace brings free thinking and elevated life standards all of them will destroy oligarch.
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As an academician, I have followed Mr. Gulen for long years. His speeches or writings reflect an accumulation of mind work in philosophy, human and social psychology. With such respect, he is light years away from dealing with trivial games of politics. Unfortunately, the reigning politicians of today's Turkey are far from understanding what Mr. Gulen disseminates to humanity. With careless remarks and unfounded claims, the reigning politicians are trying to win one more election and increase their personal wealth. Mr. Gulen even does not bother to answer them. His message to the entire world is simple and clear:
"Regardless of their religious observance, citizens can and should unite around universal human rights and freedoms, and democratically oppose those who violate them."
My humble piece of advice to those who does not understand this eminent scholar is such: Read his books, Listen to his talks. You will soon see the remedies to the suffering mankind in many parts of the modern world.
"Regardless of their religious observance, citizens can and should unite around universal human rights and freedoms, and democratically oppose those who violate them."
My humble piece of advice to those who does not understand this eminent scholar is such: Read his books, Listen to his talks. You will soon see the remedies to the suffering mankind in many parts of the modern world.
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Thanks to NYT by publishing this article which shows the big picture clearly about what happened (and has changed) in Turkey for the last decade especially last 2 years.
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"... Turkey for the last decade especially last 2 years" and you guys were partners in crime for the first 10 years right???
Mr Gulen is no better or different than Mr Erdogan. They both want to demolish the modern, secular Republic and establish as totalitarian Islamic state ruled by a King(Sultan). The only disagreements about, who will be the Sultan... The rest is history...
Mr Gulen is no better or different than Mr Erdogan. They both want to demolish the modern, secular Republic and establish as totalitarian Islamic state ruled by a King(Sultan). The only disagreements about, who will be the Sultan... The rest is history...
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This is a great article to showcase the stance of Mr. Gulen and hizmet movement about what is goin on in Turkey right now. Mr. Gulen made it so clear about why himself and hizmet movement is not agree with A.K.P.
There are many allegations about Mr Gulen and hizmet movement. Most famous one is that he has a strong ties with US government. Because he can still live in US. When you turn your face to US there are other allegations as he is trying to spread Islam in US. When you look at his whole life he has always been the strong advocate of democracy, the rule of law, individual freedoms.
When you look at A.K.P on the other hand though you do not see the same balance even within the last 15 years. So I believe when it comes to judging things one has to judge fairly.
I think everyone should be more appreciative at least there is someone who raise their voice for the real democracy.
There are many allegations about Mr Gulen and hizmet movement. Most famous one is that he has a strong ties with US government. Because he can still live in US. When you turn your face to US there are other allegations as he is trying to spread Islam in US. When you look at his whole life he has always been the strong advocate of democracy, the rule of law, individual freedoms.
When you look at A.K.P on the other hand though you do not see the same balance even within the last 15 years. So I believe when it comes to judging things one has to judge fairly.
I think everyone should be more appreciative at least there is someone who raise their voice for the real democracy.
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I am a Turkish-American, lived in the US more than 15 years, and more than 30 years I was in or around Hizmet.
As long as Turkish government worked parallel and helped to Hizmet Movement, Turkish government was fine. It started couple years back and they separated their ways. Now Turkish Government is not good and Erdogan is against part of Hizmet Movement.
Why Gulen is not mentioning what's going on in Turkey fully?
Some supporters of Hizmet Movement were high ranked police officers, government officials. They listened to people's phones without permission and also fabricated evidence.
OK, I understand Gulen and his followers might be against Erdogan. But to get rid off Erdogan, you can not play such games and coup by using their followers in every part of the government. Erdogan came by elections, he will go by elections.
I am scared to to announce my identity because, once you are on their side, you are a good person. But never ever try to criticize them. Otherwise, they try to ruin your life with every possible way and lies. It did not happened to me, but I have a lot of friends around me which experienced this.
Again, they can criticize anyone they like, but please try to see the problem from other side's perspective, too.
Democracy is not for one group of people, it is for everyone.
As long as Turkish government worked parallel and helped to Hizmet Movement, Turkish government was fine. It started couple years back and they separated their ways. Now Turkish Government is not good and Erdogan is against part of Hizmet Movement.
Why Gulen is not mentioning what's going on in Turkey fully?
Some supporters of Hizmet Movement were high ranked police officers, government officials. They listened to people's phones without permission and also fabricated evidence.
OK, I understand Gulen and his followers might be against Erdogan. But to get rid off Erdogan, you can not play such games and coup by using their followers in every part of the government. Erdogan came by elections, he will go by elections.
I am scared to to announce my identity because, once you are on their side, you are a good person. But never ever try to criticize them. Otherwise, they try to ruin your life with every possible way and lies. It did not happened to me, but I have a lot of friends around me which experienced this.
Again, they can criticize anyone they like, but please try to see the problem from other side's perspective, too.
Democracy is not for one group of people, it is for everyone.
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I would love to see Erdogan facing all the allegations and explaining his case against all serious accusations. He has never done that. Instead, he ordered relocation of thousands of police officers removing them from any position of impact. Why is he afraid of answering all the claims about him or his fellow cabinet members? Why is the AKP running from government audits? Why is anyone bringing a case against anyone involved with the AKP suddenly taken away from his or her position? Why is the Turkish public not given the opportunity to know more about the government tenders? Why in the world is Erdogan and his people started to ban the reporters of the media in opposition from all press conferences and the government media? Why is the fear if the Hizmet movement people fabricated evidence and the Turkish government can prove fabrication right away?
Various people known with a past in the Hizmet are now working against the Hizmet and nothing has happened to them as far as we know. But if you are scared of exposing your weak attachment with the Hizmet to your friends, it is another story.
Various people known with a past in the Hizmet are now working against the Hizmet and nothing has happened to them as far as we know. But if you are scared of exposing your weak attachment with the Hizmet to your friends, it is another story.
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Brilliant comment! It is hard to notice their two faced behaviours. Thanks for the truth.
As long as we are not "taking the picture of what's going on in Turkey" from the principles' perspective, we will just waste hours on examples to support our arguments. Regardless of Hizmet Movement and their "current" position against government, or credibility of both sides referring to the form their alliance a few years ago, we need to look what they mean today to the Turkey and the world.
Regardless of what I think of it, check what Hizmet movement have already been doing since it has been established by making quite a research on your own. Internet is such a powerful tool to find the accurate data as well as misinformation however, I trust the conscious of the readers of this newspaper.
On the other hand, check How AK Party began its journey, what their promises were when they were first elected and; look where they stand today. Check "not only" the evolution of numbers of economy but also the stats about the social justice, freedom rights, and free media. Create your smarter questions about what both sides are occupied with "today". Test the claims of both sides about each other and find out the truth yourself.
Last thing though, without dealing with who is right or wrong, what their "intention" or secret agenda is; simply question this. Why would a government clash with "the individuals" of a social movement just during the time frame that they were accused of corruption, shifting away from democracy and alienating dissentient people as "enemy of the state"?
Regardless of what I think of it, check what Hizmet movement have already been doing since it has been established by making quite a research on your own. Internet is such a powerful tool to find the accurate data as well as misinformation however, I trust the conscious of the readers of this newspaper.
On the other hand, check How AK Party began its journey, what their promises were when they were first elected and; look where they stand today. Check "not only" the evolution of numbers of economy but also the stats about the social justice, freedom rights, and free media. Create your smarter questions about what both sides are occupied with "today". Test the claims of both sides about each other and find out the truth yourself.
Last thing though, without dealing with who is right or wrong, what their "intention" or secret agenda is; simply question this. Why would a government clash with "the individuals" of a social movement just during the time frame that they were accused of corruption, shifting away from democracy and alienating dissentient people as "enemy of the state"?
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I totally agree with the statements written by Mr. Gulen. We all believed that Erdogan and his ruling party were a hope and solution not only for Turks but also for the entire Muslim countries. However, we were wrong and we understood the realities starting late 2013. Now, he acts like the newest dictator of the 21st century. He destroys anything and everything democratic and he attacks against anything and everything democratic. He has his own media empire and columnists. He has his own business ties and micromanagement links. The rest will not be accepted by him and his followers. Such a dictatorship will make Turkey worse every single day. Turkey's image to entire world has totally changed; whether AKP and Erdogan accept or not. Nobody can talk about the democracy in Turkey anymore. His speeches, actions and rules are all destructive and anti-democratic, you can not see anything he delivers positive and constructive anymore. His only objective is to hide his corruption scandal with quick and dirty solutions made by his power, media and micromanagement empire now!. I am extremely sad for the future of Turkey, and I do greatly appreciate the column written by Mr. Gulen since he has reflected the ongoing realities.
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I think it is even more deplorable to see that the self-proclaimed pious supporters of AKP simply look away or even attempt to justify the corruption allegations or pressure/oppression on the free media which reveal them. It is utterly disgraceful that their materialistic greed and political fetish blind them to violate the very basic principles of Islam. I applaud Mr Gulen and his followers for being a strong voice of common sense, pure conscious, peace, understanding and standing against the third-world authoritarianism attempts in modern Turkey.
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Mr. Erdogan and Hizmet supporters worked together to take the military out of the political scene. That was a good thing for Turkish democracy. That was enough for Mr. Erdogan because he now had the power. However, Hizmet supporters were with Mr. Erdogan because of principles such as Europian Union and a new constitution. Mr. Erdogan, not only strayed from the path towards these promises to the Turkish people, he betrayed them by going in the opposite Putin-like direction.
Corruption charges against Mr. Erdogan's son and his cabinet was the divorce between the two powers. In response to the charges he dismissed/dispersed more than 5,000 policemen and hundreds of judges, established new ad-hoc courts and prosecutors that already dismissed the charges.
Democratic principles are embraced by the societies of the west after long struggles. Current affair of democracy in Turkey is a step backward from a closer perspective. However, in the long run it is a great win for democracy. right now an unimaginable dialog has started from across the political dial on the common ground of democratic principles such as freedom of speech. This process made the conservative mainstream Turkish people understand the importance of separation of powers and a secular democratic constitution. This core gain will help support the progress of democracy in the coming years.
Corruption charges against Mr. Erdogan's son and his cabinet was the divorce between the two powers. In response to the charges he dismissed/dispersed more than 5,000 policemen and hundreds of judges, established new ad-hoc courts and prosecutors that already dismissed the charges.
Democratic principles are embraced by the societies of the west after long struggles. Current affair of democracy in Turkey is a step backward from a closer perspective. However, in the long run it is a great win for democracy. right now an unimaginable dialog has started from across the political dial on the common ground of democratic principles such as freedom of speech. This process made the conservative mainstream Turkish people understand the importance of separation of powers and a secular democratic constitution. This core gain will help support the progress of democracy in the coming years.
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Mr. Gulen is a peace advocate but there is a war against him by the enemies of democracy who came to power by using democracy as a tool. He summarized the situation in Turkey very briefly. Thanks..
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Mr. Gülen is speaking the truth and doing the right thing. It is not hard to understand Why the government in TR is against him. The nation state has turned to AKPstate that does not allow others than followers of 'Tayyibizm'. Kurds, shias, left or right wing followers have suffered a lot since the republic established. Now it is Gülen Movement's turn.
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An eloquent yet precise description of Turkey’s current saddening status and a warning bell for a clear and present danger for the people and friends of Turkey.
I is truly heartbreaking what Turkey has become in the last couple of years. Once a shining cross-cultural bridge and an inspiring role model, now is being led to the dark labyrinth of corruption and totalitarianism. Mr. Erdogan tries everything by silencing the free media, firing thousands of criminal investigators and prosecutors, setting up unconstitutional courts, and viciously attacking on anyone who does not actively support him. All for nothing but only to cover his own and his gang’s crimes. “Hizmet”, arguably one of the most peaceful and altruistic movement in the Muslim world, is Mr Erdogan’s prime target only because it volunteers has never and will never complicit in his crimes.
As it goes for any sad story, there is a silver lining in this one too. Not only by his Putin-esque totalitarianism and third world corruption but also by his immoral and illegal attacks to the “Hizmet”, Mr. Erdogan and his gang once again showed the true face of “political Islam”. It is a plague to Islam itself and to the Muslim world. Political Islam is an enemy of any true civic movement and civil initiative in the Muslim world. Period. It has become crystal clear how different the “Hizmet” and civil initiatives alike from the political Islam and how important they are for peacebuilding between cultures and faiths.
I is truly heartbreaking what Turkey has become in the last couple of years. Once a shining cross-cultural bridge and an inspiring role model, now is being led to the dark labyrinth of corruption and totalitarianism. Mr. Erdogan tries everything by silencing the free media, firing thousands of criminal investigators and prosecutors, setting up unconstitutional courts, and viciously attacking on anyone who does not actively support him. All for nothing but only to cover his own and his gang’s crimes. “Hizmet”, arguably one of the most peaceful and altruistic movement in the Muslim world, is Mr Erdogan’s prime target only because it volunteers has never and will never complicit in his crimes.
As it goes for any sad story, there is a silver lining in this one too. Not only by his Putin-esque totalitarianism and third world corruption but also by his immoral and illegal attacks to the “Hizmet”, Mr. Erdogan and his gang once again showed the true face of “political Islam”. It is a plague to Islam itself and to the Muslim world. Political Islam is an enemy of any true civic movement and civil initiative in the Muslim world. Period. It has become crystal clear how different the “Hizmet” and civil initiatives alike from the political Islam and how important they are for peacebuilding between cultures and faiths.
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It's about time that Gulen brings to the fore the arrogance with which Erdogan treats critics. The paranoia that has engulfed Erdogan is very obvious.
His decline is eminent - but it is sad that Turkey is paying the price along the way. I am hopeful - Turkey has survived even worse!
His decline is eminent - but it is sad that Turkey is paying the price along the way. I am hopeful - Turkey has survived even worse!
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Finally, a strong voice from the Muslim world is making a case for democracy based on the genuine Islamic sources. Mr. Gulen rightly points that Turkey, a county once commended for its success in blending modernity with Islamic identity, has been steadily drifting towards authoritarianism under Mr. Erdogan's iron fist rule. I join Mr. Gulen in hoping that Turks will say enough is enough, and put their country back on the course of democratization. Thank you NY Times, by the way, for giving space to such moderate voices as well.
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The article is really summarizing what happened in Turkey. Democracy had many obstacles since recent decades and solved some problems but today people are facing with basic freedom and human rights issues. Fethullah Gulen always emphases the importance of freedom and democracy in Turkey. His ideas are very important for not only Turkey but for all the World.
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This is a great article, that summarizes many facts about Turkeys current troubles and emphasize where Hizmet movement stands.
First of all, let's leave our hate speeches behind. Let's look at the facts, see what is actually going on and remember that people around the world can see things and understand what is going on. The current problems in Turkey are not a big secret.
Fethullah Gulen is an inspirer to millions and most of those millions are very well educated and smart people so if they choose share Mr.Gulen's world view, there must be some good in it. Everybody make mistakes, we're all human beings, no one must expect that Mr.Gulen's article must include all problems and be flawless. But in the end it is obvious what Hizmet volunteers do around the world in terms of education and social projects. They are almost everywhere and they try to help people without acting like a missionary.
There is enough war in world, what Mr.Gulen repeatedly say is let's respect each other's opinion and live together. You can not blame him if couple of his followers did bad things and and couldn't share the same philosophy. Mr.Gulen is a very important islamic scholar and his views are what world needs these days. Every big scholar around world who announced similar thoughts has been criticized and sometimes muredered. Look Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr etc..
There is evil everywhere and good people must stick together! So let's not fight...
First of all, let's leave our hate speeches behind. Let's look at the facts, see what is actually going on and remember that people around the world can see things and understand what is going on. The current problems in Turkey are not a big secret.
Fethullah Gulen is an inspirer to millions and most of those millions are very well educated and smart people so if they choose share Mr.Gulen's world view, there must be some good in it. Everybody make mistakes, we're all human beings, no one must expect that Mr.Gulen's article must include all problems and be flawless. But in the end it is obvious what Hizmet volunteers do around the world in terms of education and social projects. They are almost everywhere and they try to help people without acting like a missionary.
There is enough war in world, what Mr.Gulen repeatedly say is let's respect each other's opinion and live together. You can not blame him if couple of his followers did bad things and and couldn't share the same philosophy. Mr.Gulen is a very important islamic scholar and his views are what world needs these days. Every big scholar around world who announced similar thoughts has been criticized and sometimes muredered. Look Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr etc..
There is evil everywhere and good people must stick together! So let's not fight...
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Mr, Gulen is on of the most import scholar and intellectual who is well aware of a need of democracy in Turkey and all around the, he have supported AKP to promote better democracy in Turkey for almost 10 yers. There is no surprise now he is against to ruling government since they have been destroying the democracy that they tried to build for 10 years.
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When there was a referendum to change the constitution of Turkey in 2010, Fethullah Gulen addressed to all the people and requested them to say " yes " to the new constitution. Since the old constitution was a done by the soldiers just after the military coup in 1982, Turkey deeply needed a democratic constitution. And thousands of people traveled long distances from more than 140 countries to Turkey to show their support in a democratic way. And then what happened? Referendum was positive and 58 % of the Turkish people wanted a new - democratic constitution... Erdogan's party AKP started declining from democratic rules at that point itself. They had cheated the people by saying that they would make a new constitution before the referendum, however no single step has been done until today. And now there is going to be a new election after 5 months in Turkey...Erdogan (now president but shadow prime minister) again claims that we are going to make a new constitution!!!! Where have you been for last 4 years??? You were ruling the country and you were at the pilot seat!!
Government banned Twitter and Facebook just before the election to cover up the corruption scandal in which 4 ministers + Erdogan himself and their sons + relatives are involved..
Turkey cannot compromise from "Human rights, Freedom of Press and rule of law. It's the key country in the middle east as an ally of USA and NATO member.
Gulen always advocated Democracy, Education, Human Rights and Peace.
Government banned Twitter and Facebook just before the election to cover up the corruption scandal in which 4 ministers + Erdogan himself and their sons + relatives are involved..
Turkey cannot compromise from "Human rights, Freedom of Press and rule of law. It's the key country in the middle east as an ally of USA and NATO member.
Gulen always advocated Democracy, Education, Human Rights and Peace.
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Mr. Erdogan is the best example to see how power change a person 360 degrees. It is unfortunate that Turkey, once an exemplary country among the Muslim world, now has side-tracked from everything what has been pursued for many years in its history. The Hizmet movement, motivated by the preaches of Mr. Gulen, has always been an advocate of peaceful acts and democracy. It is heartbreaking to see this movement and Mr. Gulen himself have been the target of the corrupted government in Turkey led by Mr. Erdogan.
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360 degree change: means no change,
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Zarife you meant I believe 180 degree.
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Just 180 degrees. 360 would bring him full circle.
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A great opinion article describing what's going on in Turkey. Hizmet is an altruistic movement which essentially offers no political or financial benefits to its participants. People who are devoted to Hizmet typically give their time and money to the movement and receive essentially nothing sizable other than pleasure of serving God. In that sense, it is Turkey's biggest civic movement that motivates people for donation and service to help solve the World's ongoing problems, starting from education, to interfaith commonalities, to hunger. The movement's success in bringing people together is an evidence that it exceeded beyond its origins in Anatolia. The movement's recent schools in Africa, for example, are bringing Christian and Muslim students together peacefully.
It is so normal that the movement's participants exist in the government and this is their individual right. The judicial cases opened on such people are pathetic. The fact that these cases are opened after the massive corruption scandals of the ruling party (AKP)'s high ups makes them extremely questionable. Remember that 100s of police officers, prosecutors and judges, who were running the corruption investigations got assigned to other jobs and moved to other locations. This was a gross breaking of constitutional principles. In a democratic country, any official accused of such big scandals would resign from their post for the health of investigation. But none of that happened..
It is so normal that the movement's participants exist in the government and this is their individual right. The judicial cases opened on such people are pathetic. The fact that these cases are opened after the massive corruption scandals of the ruling party (AKP)'s high ups makes them extremely questionable. Remember that 100s of police officers, prosecutors and judges, who were running the corruption investigations got assigned to other jobs and moved to other locations. This was a gross breaking of constitutional principles. In a democratic country, any official accused of such big scandals would resign from their post for the health of investigation. But none of that happened..
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Hopefully, it will not be too late when people understand Mr Gulen's thoughts who do not agree with him just for their fanatical thoughts.
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Mr. Gulen is a voice of Muslim people who support democracy and the rule of law. There is no any leader like him in the Muslim countries.
I hope Mr. Erdogan can give-up anti democratic regime in Turkey. Otherwise, Turkey will loose all its credit in the world in near future.
I hope Mr. Erdogan can give-up anti democratic regime in Turkey. Otherwise, Turkey will loose all its credit in the world in near future.
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Mr Gulen leads the most peaceful movement in the world. He always denounces terrorism, promotes interfaith intercultural dialogue, peace, education, helping the needy people!. Unfortunately, those who want to cover up their corruption and theft, wanted to close his mouth through charges. But, millions who believed in him, will continue to support his case for ever, for it's really the sole peace!
Thank you Mr Gulen for what you have done so far for the peace of the world !!!
Thank you Mr Gulen for what you have done so far for the peace of the world !!!
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People like Mr. Gulen wants democracy like we have here in the US. Period.
Just one example from recent Turkey: One of the Turkish parliament member's son just recently was able to line up almost 15-20 police officers in a government building under the supervision of some of kind of police chief (could be their own chief, I am not sure) and question those police officers and only God knows what else happened in that room then. If it happens here in Denver, you know what is going to happen to this son and the police chief. Period again.
Just because Mr. Gulen has a religious background, some people especially in Turkey are having issues with what he says and what he does because they are not religious probably. It is a common issue by the way in Turkey.
Unfortunately, there is not many people who can talk and write about civil rights and democracy and most importantly anything against government right now in Turkey. So, what do we do? If I say something, who is going to hear me? I support Mr. Gulen because he is one of the few well-known people in Turkey who can criticize and say something about current government in Turkey when they abuse their power and change direction from democracy towards something else.
It is not about Mr. Gulen or Erdogan, it is about Turkey's future I guess.
Just one example from recent Turkey: One of the Turkish parliament member's son just recently was able to line up almost 15-20 police officers in a government building under the supervision of some of kind of police chief (could be their own chief, I am not sure) and question those police officers and only God knows what else happened in that room then. If it happens here in Denver, you know what is going to happen to this son and the police chief. Period again.
Just because Mr. Gulen has a religious background, some people especially in Turkey are having issues with what he says and what he does because they are not religious probably. It is a common issue by the way in Turkey.
Unfortunately, there is not many people who can talk and write about civil rights and democracy and most importantly anything against government right now in Turkey. So, what do we do? If I say something, who is going to hear me? I support Mr. Gulen because he is one of the few well-known people in Turkey who can criticize and say something about current government in Turkey when they abuse their power and change direction from democracy towards something else.
It is not about Mr. Gulen or Erdogan, it is about Turkey's future I guess.
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Thus, civil movements and organisations can correct the false image of islam. Please show me a better organisation, i will join them and pray for them. OK, just please go to any association, school, education center, etc. of Hizmet movement anywhere in the world to see with your own eyes. They have been to 160 countries. These countries all have their own intelligence and securiry services. If they had any secret agenda if they pretended a coup to turkish state, these schools and other associations would not stay there a minute. if there is something against universal law they do, there are constituons and courts. Rumors and false accusations are not valid in universal justice. However, they only help making the worldwide PR of Hizmet movement.
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What an amazing piece. I applaud Mr. Gulen's courage in sharing his democratic ideals with the readers of the New York Times, especially in a time when he is constantly scapegoated, slandered by Erdogan, and threatened physically and legally. These are troubling times for Turkey and more voices like Gulen's need to be heard. We all had high hopes for the A.K.P. and its ability to serve as an example to Middle Eastern countries and the West as a political party that respected both religious values and democratic values. Unfortunately, the A.K.P. has disappointed on all accounts, but the scariest aspect is its control over media and expression, disabling anyone from criticizing the government.
We constantly hear from non-Muslims about how Muslim leaders need to speak out against authoritarianism and terrorism. Here is Fethullah Gulen, a respected Islamic scholar and preacher, using the New York Times to condemn the practices of the A.K.P. and telling the world this isn't Islam, this isn't democracy, and this isn't right. Well done! I only hope Turkey recovers from its current illness soon, for the safety of herself, of the region, and of the world.
We constantly hear from non-Muslims about how Muslim leaders need to speak out against authoritarianism and terrorism. Here is Fethullah Gulen, a respected Islamic scholar and preacher, using the New York Times to condemn the practices of the A.K.P. and telling the world this isn't Islam, this isn't democracy, and this isn't right. Well done! I only hope Turkey recovers from its current illness soon, for the safety of herself, of the region, and of the world.
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Another Gulen follower from Boston! :)
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Thanks for the point. I would read first what she said. This commentary section is not place to label other people, instead to comment the topic.
Please also keep in mind that these thoughts are not specific to Boston. Many different group of people praise Mr. Gulen educational effort in 200 counties. I would recommend you to use your knowledge and time to distinguish the evil and the good, not to label the people in a commentary section.
Please also keep in mind that these thoughts are not specific to Boston. Many different group of people praise Mr. Gulen educational effort in 200 counties. I would recommend you to use your knowledge and time to distinguish the evil and the good, not to label the people in a commentary section.
Mr. Gulen taught us by illustrating how one can stand up against injustice and authoritarianism using democratic virtues. (This looks driving Erdogan more into illogical power usage as being one man of the country.)
The day the government of Turkey takes responsibility for the Armenian Genocide of 1915 is the day I will believe a single word coming from a Turkish politician.
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Are you implying that Gulen is a politician? If not, then your comment is irrelevant to the post.
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He's not a politician.
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Unfortunately Turkey is declining very fast in terms of democracy, rule of law, human rights, economics and foreign relations. Now the country is ruled by a dictator who wants to control everything. To cover up the corruption charges, akp displaced thousands of polices and hundreds of prosecuters across the country.
Thank you Mr Gulen for the article. Really it's very informative piece!
Thank you Mr Gulen for the article. Really it's very informative piece!
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Gulen is a voice of reason. He could have had negotiated & allied with Erdogan and reaped the benefits--that's what even old-guard Kemalists prefer to do nowadays. His earlier alliance with Erdogan against the oppressive military should be congratulated despite the problems in the judicial process. If Gulen eliminated, an all powerful Erdogan will wipe the secularists off in a populist fashion.
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Mr Gulen and his followers has been serving the world peace for more than 30 years now. They are the most obvious example of peaceful muslim people. The article is reflecting what is happening in Turkey with 100% accuracy. Erdogan used Hizmet movements success in education and promotion of peace and dialogu when he needed. Many of AKP politicians sent their kids to Hizmet schools because they raise well educated and respected students. Now AKP's corruption revealed Erdogan showed his real face.
I am terribly sorry to see the direction that Turkey is going. Erdogan is feeding his base with hatred. Injustice is widely spread. Youtube, tweeted, facebook all social media is controlled and can be banned with a single order. There is only a handful of newspapers and journalists that can freely write. The rest are paid by government itself. We are far away from Democracy. If you are not aligned with Erdogan's idealogy you are an enemy of state. In Turkey if you are thief you are better off compared to police. All the officers who caught Erdogan's corruption are in jail now. All the thieves are out living under the secure umbrella of political power of Erdogan. Uneducated people are leading institutions. Because Erdogan does not care about merit. He only cares about loyalty to his oligarch.
I endorse this article and praying that these days will be over.
I am terribly sorry to see the direction that Turkey is going. Erdogan is feeding his base with hatred. Injustice is widely spread. Youtube, tweeted, facebook all social media is controlled and can be banned with a single order. There is only a handful of newspapers and journalists that can freely write. The rest are paid by government itself. We are far away from Democracy. If you are not aligned with Erdogan's idealogy you are an enemy of state. In Turkey if you are thief you are better off compared to police. All the officers who caught Erdogan's corruption are in jail now. All the thieves are out living under the secure umbrella of political power of Erdogan. Uneducated people are leading institutions. Because Erdogan does not care about merit. He only cares about loyalty to his oligarch.
I endorse this article and praying that these days will be over.
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The person who has nothing to hide from world could write only like this. This written statement is a confirmation of Fethullah Gulen’s hope for the World and efforts to solve the clashes happening in Turkey and its’ neighborhood.
As a person who identified the falsification of the Turkish governments, the good-looking tomorrows which is offered by the same government till their last term flip-flopped to the future of the Middle-eastern country which the world focused to see the peace and freedom but look like never going to happen.
This open and promising approach to solve the unpleasant incidents occurring in Turkey and in the Middle East is evidence that Fethulah Gulen as much as rational when the current Government is un-rational. Thanks to the op-editors for publishing this article and let the readers know about the incidents that is happening in Turkey.
As a person who identified the falsification of the Turkish governments, the good-looking tomorrows which is offered by the same government till their last term flip-flopped to the future of the Middle-eastern country which the world focused to see the peace and freedom but look like never going to happen.
This open and promising approach to solve the unpleasant incidents occurring in Turkey and in the Middle East is evidence that Fethulah Gulen as much as rational when the current Government is un-rational. Thanks to the op-editors for publishing this article and let the readers know about the incidents that is happening in Turkey.
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Power without knowledge and wisdom brings authoritarianism..
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Mr. Fethullah Gulen, as always, promotes better democracy, peaceful country, better human rights, freedom of religion and media.
That is why Mr. Gulen and his followers supported him until 2013. However, after that especially corruption probe he became a leader who is doing what he did not do in the past such as putting pressure on media, detaining the journalists, screenwriters and editors. Now he is such a big disappointment for Turkey.
That is why Mr. Gulen and his followers supported him until 2013. However, after that especially corruption probe he became a leader who is doing what he did not do in the past such as putting pressure on media, detaining the journalists, screenwriters and editors. Now he is such a big disappointment for Turkey.
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When Erdogan came to party, Gulen and his followers supported Erdogan's actions, because then he was acting in democracy, and was taking Turkey to good direction. But when he (Erdogan) got the power he changed his directions from democracy.
So,now, end of this clash between Erdogan and Hizmet is will show us, where Turkey will be headed, if Erdogan wins, Turkey will be away from
Democracy and be more authoritarian.... (we can see it from his actions)
I wish that won't happen and Turkey will remain in Democracy .... a real Democracy, as once Gulen said "There is no turning back from Democracy" ,
Turkey won't turn back from Democracy....never....
So,now, end of this clash between Erdogan and Hizmet is will show us, where Turkey will be headed, if Erdogan wins, Turkey will be away from
Democracy and be more authoritarian.... (we can see it from his actions)
I wish that won't happen and Turkey will remain in Democracy .... a real Democracy, as once Gulen said "There is no turning back from Democracy" ,
Turkey won't turn back from Democracy....never....
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Mr, Gulen is a big oppurtunity to explain that Islam does not accept terrorism. Unfortunately,In Turkey There is an additional problem regressing to morality. Corruption, lying, calumny are getting worse. Gulen movement or hizmet says stop this moral decline.
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This is a very good and fair explanation of what is going on in Turkey.
I love Turkey and its people.
Based on my personal experience and what I learned through Turkish and Western media Fethullah Gulen is an advocate of democracy. He has always supported the democratization of Turkey. Erdogan started very pragmatic in office promotion liberal democracy however he is establishing his authoritarian "pseudo religious" government.
Detaining and arresting people in order to cover up a corruption is sign of a very weak character. I feel Erdogan has deceived his own people.
US and the West has to push Turkey back to the commitment of the rule of law, democracy and human rights.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey,
I love Turkey and its people.
Based on my personal experience and what I learned through Turkish and Western media Fethullah Gulen is an advocate of democracy. He has always supported the democratization of Turkey. Erdogan started very pragmatic in office promotion liberal democracy however he is establishing his authoritarian "pseudo religious" government.
Detaining and arresting people in order to cover up a corruption is sign of a very weak character. I feel Erdogan has deceived his own people.
US and the West has to push Turkey back to the commitment of the rule of law, democracy and human rights.
I pray and wish that the situation will normalize soon and justice will come to Turkey,
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Thank you for your objective view.
My goodness! The sad fact is that all that lovely, peaceful sounding rhetoric about the many charms of democracy is seldom acted upon by entities that could actually effect such a blissful state of being. The unavoidable truth is that democracy has few friends among the ruling political elites. There may be exceptions but in my long view it appears that the closer a political group gets to the levers of power, the more caveats and necessity it finds to pull them in the direction that enhances their own power at the expense of others.
It is good that Mr. Gülen speaks out now, but it maybe too late. Plus Mr Gülen had been part of the problem, he and his cohorts supported and helped to create and nurture a monster called Erdogan, a very ignorant and deceptive individual, whose biggest accomplishment is playing soccer for a second-league team for 20 plus years. And showing that he is against all the secular principles of Atatürk and his comrades, brought to newly created Turkey. Mr. Gülen ignored those inclinations of R.T. Erdoğan until the Frankenstein turned against its disobedient creators.
Middle East is full of petty tyrants who use the religion to capture the political power, and some people like Fethullah Gülen are very good aiding and abetting them. Erdogan is no exception, actually he is quite the crude imitation of political shyster.
Now neither Mr. Gülen nor anyone can control the monster, and Mr. Gülen is whining about the outcome. There was another team throughout the 1950s and a military coup took them down at the end of the decade. Everybody loved those revolutionaries, and thought the Atatürk's heritage was saved. But there is a truism in America "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!"
Now, here we are, Gülen took part in getting the country in a dead end, but he cannot get her out. Ballot box is out of the question because the Turkish people have been educated to see everything through the prism of religion and Erdoğan seems to be very devout.
Middle East is full of petty tyrants who use the religion to capture the political power, and some people like Fethullah Gülen are very good aiding and abetting them. Erdogan is no exception, actually he is quite the crude imitation of political shyster.
Now neither Mr. Gülen nor anyone can control the monster, and Mr. Gülen is whining about the outcome. There was another team throughout the 1950s and a military coup took them down at the end of the decade. Everybody loved those revolutionaries, and thought the Atatürk's heritage was saved. But there is a truism in America "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!"
Now, here we are, Gülen took part in getting the country in a dead end, but he cannot get her out. Ballot box is out of the question because the Turkish people have been educated to see everything through the prism of religion and Erdoğan seems to be very devout.
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Overall good remarks but remember Turkey isn't the "middle east" it is considered Asia Minor as it's Turkic roots were the result of invasions of Ossoman / Mongolian tribes from central asia (where Gulen originally put in his CIA backed schools for the energy sources)
The other issue is Gulen and his followers are not qualified to operate a country let alone schools, they are closing worldwide. The Gladio B project has failed in it's attempts to destabilize Russia and China energy sources by using islam.
Now the blowback begins, after France - which country is next?
The other issue is Gulen and his followers are not qualified to operate a country let alone schools, they are closing worldwide. The Gladio B project has failed in it's attempts to destabilize Russia and China energy sources by using islam.
Now the blowback begins, after France - which country is next?
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It was not Mr Gulen who created the monster, he is just trying to do his best to awake the people in Turkey.One thing for sure is that whoever the owner or owners of the project have now lost the control totally.
If it helps, it is true, technically three percent of the surface area of Turkish State is in Europe. Having said that, Anatolia, in Greek means east [ἀνατολή] or Asia Minor. Middle East is a relatively new term and Asia Minor is located there. Ask Google to display a "Map of Middle East." Google is not the arbiter here, but all Western history and geography books will include Turkey, or Asia Minor, or Anatolia in the Middle East. (yes it takes "the" and it is capitalized)
As to the "Ossomans" and Mongolians, there are no people that I know of called "Ossomans"; the Turkic people who came through the Southwestern route and settled in Bursa, had a commander named "Osman Bey", and his "Beylik" was named after him. Later when the state he established grew Europeans called it "Ottomans" and eventually "Ottoman Empire."
Mongolians were never part of the people who in AD 1299, or some claim it 1305, set up state in the Aegean region.
In about one hundred years Mongolians under Tamerlane (Timurlenk)came and defeated then the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid. But did not stay there.
As to Gülen and his followers, anyone who is bent on using religion to unite people will destroy the country they are screwing with.
History teaches us the states based on religion are the relics of the past, and they have no future in the modern world. Turks tried it since the 16th century but failed to have viable state run according to the religious dogma but failed badly.
As to the "Ossomans" and Mongolians, there are no people that I know of called "Ossomans"; the Turkic people who came through the Southwestern route and settled in Bursa, had a commander named "Osman Bey", and his "Beylik" was named after him. Later when the state he established grew Europeans called it "Ottomans" and eventually "Ottoman Empire."
Mongolians were never part of the people who in AD 1299, or some claim it 1305, set up state in the Aegean region.
In about one hundred years Mongolians under Tamerlane (Timurlenk)came and defeated then the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid. But did not stay there.
As to Gülen and his followers, anyone who is bent on using religion to unite people will destroy the country they are screwing with.
History teaches us the states based on religion are the relics of the past, and they have no future in the modern world. Turks tried it since the 16th century but failed to have viable state run according to the religious dogma but failed badly.
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What we know about Mr. Gulen is murky, and consists of the narrative created about his background. Personally, I don't even believe Gulen family roots are Turkish.
But we do know NYT promotes him, like the 'pro-democracy' movement in Ukraine. We know his entrance to US was arranged by some minorities in Turkey. Media reports indicate Greeks and Armenians refused to help, but others did, along with some ex-CIA agents who gave positive reviews.
So, who are you really Mr. Gulen?
But we do know NYT promotes him, like the 'pro-democracy' movement in Ukraine. We know his entrance to US was arranged by some minorities in Turkey. Media reports indicate Greeks and Armenians refused to help, but others did, along with some ex-CIA agents who gave positive reviews.
So, who are you really Mr. Gulen?
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If you wold like to know who really he is, it is better to look at his actions or his preaches where he supports/motivates people to spread peace and educational activities all around the world. It is hard to get a good understanding of his teachings by news/media as there is intentional defamation against him. But he has lots of books and preaches that would provide a better understanding on his perspective.
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Why is it such a big deal for you if Mr. Gulen's "family roots" are not Turkish? How is it even relevant to what he said in the article?
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>What we know about Mr. Gulen is murky
That's because you haven't done any research on him outside of the propaganda that you've been fed. Nothing is really murky about him or his organization. He's written hundreds of books and thousands of articles explaining his viewpoints and stances on social issues. The movement itself is very public, with its of schools, hospitals, public fund-raisers/charities for disasters, the Turkish Olympiads, etc. What part about this is murky?
That's because you haven't done any research on him outside of the propaganda that you've been fed. Nothing is really murky about him or his organization. He's written hundreds of books and thousands of articles explaining his viewpoints and stances on social issues. The movement itself is very public, with its of schools, hospitals, public fund-raisers/charities for disasters, the Turkish Olympiads, etc. What part about this is murky?
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Great article that clearly describes the Turkish Government's recent turn towards authoritarianism. There cannot be a healthy democracy without free press and media. Fethullah Gulen is a prominent Muslim Scholar. He has been advocating for tolerance and dialog for fifty years. Like he says he has not any political interest yet like every other Turkish citizen he has the right to talk, criticize the government policies.
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If the democracy would lost in the Turkey it will mean that the societies democratics will lost a fortress very important on the region.With democracy in the same time the reel islam ,the freedom and the tolerance will lost for a long time.It's unique nuance between darkness and enlightenment.
Gulen has summarized well what has happened in Turkey recently. I think he answered several questions/or responded to criticisms like:
- why did his admirers supported Erdogan in the beginning?
- he reiterated his position with respect to democracy, human rights, etc.
- he made clear once again that Hizmet's position politically is not supporting a political party blindly, but supporting the right projects like EU, and embracing universal principles.
Turkey has been derailed from the path of democracy; but this will not last long. Turkey will be back on its right track soon.
- why did his admirers supported Erdogan in the beginning?
- he reiterated his position with respect to democracy, human rights, etc.
- he made clear once again that Hizmet's position politically is not supporting a political party blindly, but supporting the right projects like EU, and embracing universal principles.
Turkey has been derailed from the path of democracy; but this will not last long. Turkey will be back on its right track soon.
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"- why did his admirers supported Erdogan in the beginning?"
Are you naiveté.
Gulen movement is a religious movement, they are not going to support CHP or HDP.
I mean come on,
They didn't think that Erdogan one day would dispose, But they were together since Erdogan was Istanbul Major.
In this context , I can say one thing, Erdogan stabbed Gulen from the his back for just political power but nothing else . or let's say " GREED IS GOOD"
Are you naiveté.
Gulen movement is a religious movement, they are not going to support CHP or HDP.
I mean come on,
They didn't think that Erdogan one day would dispose, But they were together since Erdogan was Istanbul Major.
In this context , I can say one thing, Erdogan stabbed Gulen from the his back for just political power but nothing else . or let's say " GREED IS GOOD"
Ok, when did this happen? When Erdogan refuse to give the Gulen movement everything they wanted!
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All this sounds fine--but then I see no mention of the Armenian Genocide a century ago, nor of Turkey's perpetual denialism. Before taking Gulen's democratic professions at face value we ought to see his acknowledgment of the historical reality and his call for formal acts of Turkish atonement.
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The guy is religious leader not an Ayatollah, You mixed something here.
What he is going to throw his legacy in garbage.
Armenian genocide acknowledgment cannot be expected from individuals , even if they do so it is not the same thing as official recognition.
What he is going to throw his legacy in garbage.
Armenian genocide acknowledgment cannot be expected from individuals , even if they do so it is not the same thing as official recognition.
Mr. Gulen always supported democracy.Even in his early preachings you can see that. He is a writer of over 70 books. Many of these books are being thought in the islamic universities. He is the first Islamic Scholar who suggested his followers to open schools and hospitals instead of mosques. He is living a humble life. Even though he has many rich followers who supports schools,non-profit oranizations such as Embrace Relief,Raindrop Foundation etc in US he lives in a room in a building where he teaches and preaches. He was never involved in a political party.
Lets review what are they accusing him?
AKp is claiming he wants to overthrown the goverment and rule the Turkey. If Gulen had a agenda like this we should have seen this when he is young and dynamic. But instead he preached in the villages,cities and instead of establishing a political party he has chosen a secluded life in PA.
I think action is louder than talk. I can see in his actions that all he care is being a good muslim and set up a good example for youth.
What he wrote in the article is 100% true. When prosecutors and police officers started to investigate corruption suddenly(in one night) they became traitor. In order to cover the corruption and win the elections Erdogan needed to blame someone and Mr Gulen was there.
Lets review what are they accusing him?
AKp is claiming he wants to overthrown the goverment and rule the Turkey. If Gulen had a agenda like this we should have seen this when he is young and dynamic. But instead he preached in the villages,cities and instead of establishing a political party he has chosen a secluded life in PA.
I think action is louder than talk. I can see in his actions that all he care is being a good muslim and set up a good example for youth.
What he wrote in the article is 100% true. When prosecutors and police officers started to investigate corruption suddenly(in one night) they became traitor. In order to cover the corruption and win the elections Erdogan needed to blame someone and Mr Gulen was there.
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For Mr. Gülen and his former friend Recep Erdogan, democracy is like a train, once they reach the destination (Caliphate/Islamic State), they get off it.
I don't know about Gülen, but Erdogan even used this expression.
I don't know about Gülen, but Erdogan even used this expression.
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Gulen has never used this term. On the contrary he repeatedly said "there is no return from Democracy for Turkey" over the past 25 years.
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there is no such a station on the way of the 'democracy train'. it doesn't take you caliphate or I S.
it's obvious that you don't know about gulen. if you had you could already heard "there is no return from Democracy for Turkey" what he says over the past 25 years.
it's obvious that you don't know about gulen. if you had you could already heard "there is no return from Democracy for Turkey" what he says over the past 25 years.
Mr Gulen should have also mentioned that he himself along with his shadowy cult like organization has been staunch supporters of Erdogaan led AKP since Erdogan has been in power since 2012.
Fethullah Gulen- Erdogan duo's so called 'moderate islam' coalition have been successfully(!) weakened major foundations of Turkey's secular sytem, basically dismantling independent judiciary, press and staunchly secular Turkish military by faux-forged documentation cased of the Sledgehammer, Ergenekon among other.
The NY Times should also mention to its readers that Mr Gulen has been in self-exile in the US since 1999, has been awarded green card by recommendation of major CIA officers despite FBI objections.
This commentary should not take anything away from how rampant corruption has become in Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdogan that massive corruption graft cases despite hundreds of solid evidences have been thrown out by Erdogan elected 'independent' judiciary.
Turkey has become a rogue state under Erdogan that supports Islamist terrorists (ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda off shoot Al Nusra among others) and somehow the Obama administration still looks other way when it comes to unveiling tons of evidence that would automatically bring Erdogan to Hague, International War Crime s Court.
Mr Gulen and his so called 'civil peaceful' Hizmet movement got canned from the coalition 2-yrs ago and thus lack credibility of their criticism of Erdogan tyranny.
Fethullah Gulen- Erdogan duo's so called 'moderate islam' coalition have been successfully(!) weakened major foundations of Turkey's secular sytem, basically dismantling independent judiciary, press and staunchly secular Turkish military by faux-forged documentation cased of the Sledgehammer, Ergenekon among other.
The NY Times should also mention to its readers that Mr Gulen has been in self-exile in the US since 1999, has been awarded green card by recommendation of major CIA officers despite FBI objections.
This commentary should not take anything away from how rampant corruption has become in Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdogan that massive corruption graft cases despite hundreds of solid evidences have been thrown out by Erdogan elected 'independent' judiciary.
Turkey has become a rogue state under Erdogan that supports Islamist terrorists (ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda off shoot Al Nusra among others) and somehow the Obama administration still looks other way when it comes to unveiling tons of evidence that would automatically bring Erdogan to Hague, International War Crime s Court.
Mr Gulen and his so called 'civil peaceful' Hizmet movement got canned from the coalition 2-yrs ago and thus lack credibility of their criticism of Erdogan tyranny.
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Mr. Gulen has a great contribution to Turkey's democracy. He had an extensive knowledge and teaching experience in Islamic scholarship with more than 60 books translated into many languages. Throughout his life, Mr. Gulen served as an imam, preacher, inspirer of educational activities and society activist with acclaimed competence as a speaker of Islam, education, and dialog in Turkey.
Mr. Gulen realized the missing thing for Islamic societies in late 60's- lack of education. He dedicated his life to educate not only Turkish citizens but also other nations.
Right now, Mr Gulen has concerns on Turkey's Democracy like most of Turkish citizens do. Actions of A.K.P.'s leaders are not democratic as we read from the article. They are leading the country toward totalitarianism. For Turkey's sake, Turkish community have to speak against oppression which is a democratic right.
I believe Turkey will get through these anti democratic actions somehow. What Turkish citizens need to do is to be aware of the importance of democracy.
Mr. Gulen realized the missing thing for Islamic societies in late 60's- lack of education. He dedicated his life to educate not only Turkish citizens but also other nations.
Right now, Mr Gulen has concerns on Turkey's Democracy like most of Turkish citizens do. Actions of A.K.P.'s leaders are not democratic as we read from the article. They are leading the country toward totalitarianism. For Turkey's sake, Turkish community have to speak against oppression which is a democratic right.
I believe Turkey will get through these anti democratic actions somehow. What Turkish citizens need to do is to be aware of the importance of democracy.
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Mr. Gülen is anything but a democrat. He (together with his former friend Erdogan) had happily used undemocratic means to do away with people they disagreed with, and only after the tables were turned, and Mr. Gülen found himself on the receiving end of the monster he created, he's crying wolf. It required a willing suspension of disbelief to accept the validity of the Ergenekon affair, but let's not forget that who was set it up - Mr. Gülen's followers.
Le't not forget that Gülen's followers infiltrated the police and judiciary which gave them a unique opportunity to go after the Turkish generals using fabricated evidence and staging Stalinist-like show trials. They also put away hundreds of journalists, shut down independent media, and promoted creeping Islamization of Turkey.
The choice between Gulen and Erdogan is no choice at all. It's just a different color of the same poison.
Le't not forget that Gülen's followers infiltrated the police and judiciary which gave them a unique opportunity to go after the Turkish generals using fabricated evidence and staging Stalinist-like show trials. They also put away hundreds of journalists, shut down independent media, and promoted creeping Islamization of Turkey.
The choice between Gulen and Erdogan is no choice at all. It's just a different color of the same poison.
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I believe Mr. Gulen is more democrat than anyone in Turkey.
Yes Mr. Gulen and President Erdogan had mutual relationship until corruptions came up, Erdogan decided to blame Mr. Gulen and destroy Hizmet movement.
Ergenekon is a terrorist organization which is partially destroyed by President Erdogan's support.
And infiltration to police and judiciary departments is unacceptable. Because every Turkish citizen has right to be a police, judge or prosecutor. It as legal right. Among these people, one can like Mr. Gulen or Mr. Erdogan, or anyone else. Loving someone is not a crime. All allegations against Turkish generals were legal investigations done legally.
We are not choosing anybody. We are choosing democracy and human rights and supporting who supports them..
Yes Mr. Gulen and President Erdogan had mutual relationship until corruptions came up, Erdogan decided to blame Mr. Gulen and destroy Hizmet movement.
Ergenekon is a terrorist organization which is partially destroyed by President Erdogan's support.
And infiltration to police and judiciary departments is unacceptable. Because every Turkish citizen has right to be a police, judge or prosecutor. It as legal right. Among these people, one can like Mr. Gulen or Mr. Erdogan, or anyone else. Loving someone is not a crime. All allegations against Turkish generals were legal investigations done legally.
We are not choosing anybody. We are choosing democracy and human rights and supporting who supports them..
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Turkey should be expelled from NATO, and sanctioned by the EU. Erdogan is no better than any other terrorism-backing theocrat.
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" Not long ago, it was the envy of Muslim-majority countries: a viable candidate for the European Union on its path to becoming a functioning democracy that upholds universal human rights, gender equality, the rule of law and the rights of Kurdish and non-Muslim citizens. "
What Gulen does not say is that all of these conditions were created by the AKP under Erdogan when he was first elected, essentially saving Turkey from the secular elite who relied on constant military coups and an oppressive state mechanism to impose order on the country. It is hugely disappointing that the same Erdogan, after a fantastic start, has now exhibited the same dictatorial tendencies manifested in previous secular governments.
What Gulen does not say is that all of these conditions were created by the AKP under Erdogan when he was first elected, essentially saving Turkey from the secular elite who relied on constant military coups and an oppressive state mechanism to impose order on the country. It is hugely disappointing that the same Erdogan, after a fantastic start, has now exhibited the same dictatorial tendencies manifested in previous secular governments.
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Erdogan changed a lot since 2007. I voted for him for three times now I see that It was a big mistake. Before he was a prime minister he promised for human rights, equal citizenship rights, fight for poverty, to stop luxury and so on. After he became a prime minister I believe that he fought and was successful in some cases. Even most of the things didn't change a lot public were supporting him. After 2007 he changed a lot. Most of the things came to deadlock. Economy were suffering again. At this point whoever criticized him were blamed a spy of Israel or CIA. He and Gulen movement were together as far as I could see. In 2013 "Cemaat" started to criticize him in some cases. I don't know if "cemaat" were right or wrong. But I know one thing whoever criticises AKP, were blamed being a spy or an enemy by Erdogan and his supporters. They do not accept any criticism which is the biggest mistake. In Turkey they claimed that they were building a religious public, but in EU they told that they want a smooth relations between Turkey and other countries,they claimed that they were increasing human right conditions but in real it wasn't. Obviously they were playing two sided. Even in Turkey they were the same. If AKP rally was in a conservative city such as Konya they all talked about Erdogan was a Khalifa of all Muslims, but if they were in Izmır for instance they talked about drinking alcoholic beverages in Izmir was the best event and so on. They were so cheap.
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Here is Erdogan’s famous words; “will be history for me if he has indeed used such expressions." He used it many times toward many people. Such as Joe Biden, recently TUSIAD President Haluk Dincer and so on. Unfortunately he is becoming more and more dictator. Anyone who doesn’t support him, is an enemy to him. On the other hand Mr. Gulen is a real democrat.
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The people in Turkey need to get democracy,human rights and justice. Not need to the single party state.
It is so informative and illustrative article to understand the current situation in Turkey.
Thanks for The New York Times and wish to similar articles.
It is so informative and illustrative article to understand the current situation in Turkey.
Thanks for The New York Times and wish to similar articles.
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People from all kinds of anti-religious groups in Turkey and anti-Islamic people elsewhere unanimously accuse so-called Gulen supporters in judiciary and police for systematically sending all critics of the Gulen movement to prison. Yet, despite all the aggression, attack, and anti-Hizmet discourse for more than a year now, the government is yet to reveal evidence for the accusations. Not a single evidence has been shown to people yet. Absolutely nothing. Anti-Hizmet accusations have become so commonplace everywhere only due to fabricated lies and opinions published on a certain group of Turkish newspapers almost on a daily basis for more than a year. Most of such claims have been refuted by newspapers close to Hizmet. And actually, Zaman has even started publishing a comics magazine several weeks ago, because rationality and reasoning have been kicked out of window by pro-government newspapers a long time ago. I am yet to see an evidence of guilt.
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This article has too many lies and distortions. The writer of this article, Mr. Gulen is not a reliable person. He and his team in Turkey has established a parallel state acting not regarding the laws but accordingly wishes of Mr. Gulen.
The organization he has established in Turkey was -and still is- holding very important positions at government, media, bussiness, judiciary, police department and even in the army.
All Mr. Erdgoan's fault! is to noticed their parallel organization and decided not to leave them a great space to act accordingly the wishes of so called İslamic scholar, preacher and social advocate, Mr Gulen.
The organization he has established in Turkey was -and still is- holding very important positions at government, media, bussiness, judiciary, police department and even in the army.
All Mr. Erdgoan's fault! is to noticed their parallel organization and decided not to leave them a great space to act accordingly the wishes of so called İslamic scholar, preacher and social advocate, Mr Gulen.
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Mertoglu wrote
"This article has too many lies and distortions. The writer of this article, Mr. Gulen is not a reliable person. He and his team in Turkey has established a parallel state acting not regarding the laws but accordingly wishes of Mr. Gulen."
So then In all those time Erdogan was and has been in power ( as a prime minister not a President ( because president is symbolic )) , He utilized so called Gulen's peoples accusations to weaken the Army and in fact you could find hundreds of press releases to vehemently support those accusations.
I mean what is the defense here, You are telling us Turkey's justice minister autonomously persecuted people and prime minister doesn't have any idea, That prime minister is Erdogan.
We all born yesterday, sure.
"This article has too many lies and distortions. The writer of this article, Mr. Gulen is not a reliable person. He and his team in Turkey has established a parallel state acting not regarding the laws but accordingly wishes of Mr. Gulen."
So then In all those time Erdogan was and has been in power ( as a prime minister not a President ( because president is symbolic )) , He utilized so called Gulen's peoples accusations to weaken the Army and in fact you could find hundreds of press releases to vehemently support those accusations.
I mean what is the defense here, You are telling us Turkey's justice minister autonomously persecuted people and prime minister doesn't have any idea, That prime minister is Erdogan.
We all born yesterday, sure.
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There is absolutely no evidence for the so called Gulen's parallel-state. Erdogan's prosecutors spent over a year to produce a single lawfully viable evidence, but failed miserably. The only "evidence" they found against Gulen is his public videotaped criticism of an Al-Qaida sympathising preacher who actively recruited people for ISIS.
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I don't want to enter into polemic with anyone here and don't expect any reaction for my comments. But I would like to ask those who wrote that Fethullah Gulen has political ambitions, political group, ally to Israel, caliphate driven etc,
1) have you ever read any of his books;
2) have you got any idea what his followers have managed to do in education, health, and relief activities in the last two decades around the world?
3) why don't you thoroughly investigate a person and his deeds whom you want to blame for first and then act?
1) have you ever read any of his books;
2) have you got any idea what his followers have managed to do in education, health, and relief activities in the last two decades around the world?
3) why don't you thoroughly investigate a person and his deeds whom you want to blame for first and then act?
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Apparently most of the people don't what's going on in Turkey. Here, I will explain Gulen movement, AKP, and the recent crisis in Turkey.
Gulen movement was born as a religious congregation in late 1960s and early 1970s in Turkey. Starting from late 1980s it became a civic movement promoting modern education, inter-cultural dialogue and tolerance. They organized dialogue events to bring different elements of Turkish society (e.g. Alevis, Christians, Jews) in 1990s. Gulen himself visited Pope Jean Paul II in Vatican in 1998. The movement also opened itself to other countries in the same period and currently people inspired by Gulen's ideas conduct similar activities in 160 countries across the world.
AKP comes from a tradition (a.k.a Milli Gorus) that inherently dislikes if not hates Gulen movement. Although in 2002 Erdogan and AKP declared that they "changed", took "Milli Gorus shirt" off, and will promote democracy and civil liberties in Turkey, Erdogan has been doing the exact opposite since 2007.
Indeed Gulen movement supported AKP, but Erdogan never liked Gulen and simply took advantage of anyone and everyone who could support AKP for curbing military influence in politics. Now he's trying to an establish authoritarian system.
Last words, Gulen haters in Turkey call him a CIA/Mossad agent, pope's secret cardinal, infidel, western puppet etc. Those who hate him abroad call him Islamist who would like to bring sharia. If you'd like to know who he is, just read his books.
Gulen movement was born as a religious congregation in late 1960s and early 1970s in Turkey. Starting from late 1980s it became a civic movement promoting modern education, inter-cultural dialogue and tolerance. They organized dialogue events to bring different elements of Turkish society (e.g. Alevis, Christians, Jews) in 1990s. Gulen himself visited Pope Jean Paul II in Vatican in 1998. The movement also opened itself to other countries in the same period and currently people inspired by Gulen's ideas conduct similar activities in 160 countries across the world.
AKP comes from a tradition (a.k.a Milli Gorus) that inherently dislikes if not hates Gulen movement. Although in 2002 Erdogan and AKP declared that they "changed", took "Milli Gorus shirt" off, and will promote democracy and civil liberties in Turkey, Erdogan has been doing the exact opposite since 2007.
Indeed Gulen movement supported AKP, but Erdogan never liked Gulen and simply took advantage of anyone and everyone who could support AKP for curbing military influence in politics. Now he's trying to an establish authoritarian system.
Last words, Gulen haters in Turkey call him a CIA/Mossad agent, pope's secret cardinal, infidel, western puppet etc. Those who hate him abroad call him Islamist who would like to bring sharia. If you'd like to know who he is, just read his books.
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I can summarize your comment like this that is a very clear descrition of Erdogan's and Gulen movements difference.
Erdogan's movement is a street and largely uneducated or under educated movement.
Gulen movement exclusively educated ( not like aristocrats ) Middle class movement.
That si the difference.
Erdogan's movement is a street and largely uneducated or under educated movement.
Gulen movement exclusively educated ( not like aristocrats ) Middle class movement.
That si the difference.
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Anytime, anywhere, political and religious authority are yoked together the result is predictably repressive. There is always a passage to justify whatever self-serving action is contemplated by thumbing through one of these infallible books until it's found.
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AKP ( Justice and Development Party) looses its credibility, corruption and bribery are everywhere. There's no Justice but virtual Development
Mr. Gulen is a respected Islamic scholar and community leader, somebody who would be listened to by millions of orthodox, sunni muslims word wide. He has been an outspoken critic of radicalism and been against extremism for a long time, much before it was fashionable in the muslim world. NYT has done great service to world peace and Turkish democracy to let him share his opinions in these troubled times.
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Like a Turkish journalist once said, "Everything Gulen and Erdogan say when they accuse each other is true." So everything written here is entirely true, except the author omits the fact that he and his gang were accomplices with AKP in all of the oppressive actions he cites. The Hizmet movement were the main technicians behind the government's oppression tools, and when Erdogan turned against them and closed down their schools, they retaliated by exposing massive government corruption, using the same tools previously employed to take down AKP critics. Now that they are at the business end of the oppression, they are most democratic.
Perhaps the single untruth here, in my opinion, is the exaggerated numbers of Gulenist followers; their power lay not in the number of votes they could add or subtract from AKP, but the well-educated technicians and judges etc.
Perhaps the single untruth here, in my opinion, is the exaggerated numbers of Gulenist followers; their power lay not in the number of votes they could add or subtract from AKP, but the well-educated technicians and judges etc.
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Ozgur from Portland writes below "Yet, despite all the aggression, attack, and anti-Hizmet discourse for more than a year now, the government is yet to reveal evidence for the accusations. Not a single evidence has been shown to people yet." Well, of course not; all evidence would show that they were accomplices!
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What a nice surprise, I believe that Not only Turkey but also many countries including US will be proud of Gulen very soon. He is an alive Gandhi.
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You're kidding, right? By the way, Bani-Sadr, who befriended Khomeini in Paris, used to say that the old man wouldn't kill a fly.
Unfortunately for Bani-Sadr (and the rest of Iranians!) he understood who his old friend was too late.
Unfortunately for Bani-Sadr (and the rest of Iranians!) he understood who his old friend was too late.
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It would be helpful to know what is the source of Fethullah Gulen’s wealth and who funds his lifestyle.
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Why is that relevant? Either the issues raised are valid or not; that's all that is pertinent to this discussion.
I disagree Sam. It's very relevant. Who funds the movement?
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Fethullah Gulen lives a very simple life. He almost never leaves where he lives. He is one of the best selling authors in Turkey. His books are sold all around the world, which is his sole income. The money he makes from his books are well enough for him to get by given his life style.
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Thanks Fethullah Gulen for this article. In turkey no democracy now. no human rights. some politicians using their power to shut up journalist.Fethullah gulen says Muslim people cant take bribe and he says dont sell your heaven for life of the world .. Fethullah gulen says Muslim has to be debendable.
thanks Fethullah Gulen.
thanks Fethullah Gulen.
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Another follower! Did Gulen have a dream again, in which the Prophet Muahmmed told that Gulen's followers should double tweets and comments on the internet?:) In the end, he is blessed retired reachers who is so used to have these kinds of dreams often:)
Fethullah Gulen is a religious Sectarian leader of NUR Tarikat. However He is more on religious conservatism side, he is also one of the most praised charity school system founder, Gulen Schools. These system has many schools outside the Turkey.
Gulen has an immense support in Turkey, his followers are more educated and rational as well as mainstream people. However after they separate their ways with Turkey's now leading party AKP and his leader Erdogan , his political group persecuted and extradited from the governmental organizations.
Gulen Movement has used early collaboration with Erdogan as a pivotal force to invade Turkish Army and prosecuted many members of high ranking officers as graft allegations, Now it is very well understood, Erdogan used this period as a grand profiling, almost everybody in Government. then he eliminated secular hawks from ARMY and after that turned his rage to Gulen's followers ( mainly in Justice department) and eliminate them too.
Gulen still have strong power in Turkish politics but he is quite a lot disenfranchised.
Erdigan is using at this moment Gulen movement as a Israel's ally or American's spies like allegations to convert Gulen's followers.
But as we said , Gulen's followers is quite different than the Erdogan's base in terms of educational level, So Erdogan is not successful to convert them en masse.
As of Today, Gulen seems to be , not yet played last resort trick in Turkey's politics.
Gulen has an immense support in Turkey, his followers are more educated and rational as well as mainstream people. However after they separate their ways with Turkey's now leading party AKP and his leader Erdogan , his political group persecuted and extradited from the governmental organizations.
Gulen Movement has used early collaboration with Erdogan as a pivotal force to invade Turkish Army and prosecuted many members of high ranking officers as graft allegations, Now it is very well understood, Erdogan used this period as a grand profiling, almost everybody in Government. then he eliminated secular hawks from ARMY and after that turned his rage to Gulen's followers ( mainly in Justice department) and eliminate them too.
Gulen still have strong power in Turkish politics but he is quite a lot disenfranchised.
Erdigan is using at this moment Gulen movement as a Israel's ally or American's spies like allegations to convert Gulen's followers.
But as we said , Gulen's followers is quite different than the Erdogan's base in terms of educational level, So Erdogan is not successful to convert them en masse.
As of Today, Gulen seems to be , not yet played last resort trick in Turkey's politics.
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If Gulen movement had/has strong power in Turkish politics, why it did not translate into slightest percentage of change away from AKP votes in the latest two elections?
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Anna asks
If Gulen movement had/has strong power in Turkish politics, why it did not translate into slightest percentage of change away from AKP votes in the latest two elections?
Because AKP is not in coalition government, they are able to use all power of state to coerce and change voter tendency to their side.
It is very well known fact that before the election AKP gave food , money and goods to their voter base as well as many poor people. This is just the tip of the iceberg, how they can effect the voters decision.
If Gulen movement had/has strong power in Turkish politics, why it did not translate into slightest percentage of change away from AKP votes in the latest two elections?
Because AKP is not in coalition government, they are able to use all power of state to coerce and change voter tendency to their side.
It is very well known fact that before the election AKP gave food , money and goods to their voter base as well as many poor people. This is just the tip of the iceberg, how they can effect the voters decision.
Stongman Erdogan is simply a hopeless case. He has has no mores. His jails are overflowing with journalists, judges, and politicians who dared criticize him.
He is nothing more than a liar and a thug. As for his endless attacks on Israel, it is ERDOGAN who owes Israel an apology! He has called the existence of Israel "a crime against humanity"!
His terror flotilla was organized and boarded by armed Islamic radicals in conjunction with the Erdogan regime.
That flotilla, according to an exhaustive report by UN experts, attempted to break a LEGAL blockade.
Apologizing to a semi-dictator who has imperial designs for hegemony of the eastern Mediterranean will accomplish nothing.He sees the appearance of enmity to Israel as in his imperial interests.The apology will accomplish nothing but feed the strongman’s ego.
The international media should finally begin describing him for what he is: An Islamic dictator, an avid supporter of internationally recognized terrorist organizations (i.e. Hamas), the leader of a radical Islamist movement, and a would-be hegemonist over the eastern Mediterranean. It's DISGUSTING that he remains a member of NATO.
He is nothing more than a liar and a thug. As for his endless attacks on Israel, it is ERDOGAN who owes Israel an apology! He has called the existence of Israel "a crime against humanity"!
His terror flotilla was organized and boarded by armed Islamic radicals in conjunction with the Erdogan regime.
That flotilla, according to an exhaustive report by UN experts, attempted to break a LEGAL blockade.
Apologizing to a semi-dictator who has imperial designs for hegemony of the eastern Mediterranean will accomplish nothing.He sees the appearance of enmity to Israel as in his imperial interests.The apology will accomplish nothing but feed the strongman’s ego.
The international media should finally begin describing him for what he is: An Islamic dictator, an avid supporter of internationally recognized terrorist organizations (i.e. Hamas), the leader of a radical Islamist movement, and a would-be hegemonist over the eastern Mediterranean. It's DISGUSTING that he remains a member of NATO.
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Erdogan is bad, thats for sure, but Turkey and its people is by far peaceful and open minded. Turkey has been a part of NATO since 1960 and has done a lot to defend it including sending troops to Korea, Afghanistan, and Bosnia.
Erdogan bashed Israel on purpose tı get his Islamist conservative base to vote for him and for international scenery. Israelies know this very well along with some smart people in our administration.
Strange thing that we allow this charade to continue cause after all Erdogan has secret Swiss accounts that were well known by the US ambassador, as well as Germans but probably keeping him unleashed would serve our interests better with this dictator.
Strange thing that we allow this charade to continue cause after all Erdogan has secret Swiss accounts that were well known by the US ambassador, as well as Germans but probably keeping him unleashed would serve our interests better with this dictator.
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After failure of two alleged coup attempts through his followers in judiciary and police department, Gülen pens a paradoxical op-ed, a political step arguing he is not political.
He surely wouldn't talk about how his followers sent hundreds of Kurds into jail, including dozens of journalists (which led Erdoğan to be in the center of freedom-of-press criticisms). But thankfully, thanks to a recent bill, there is only 7 'journalists' imprisoned in Turkey, 4 of which were jailed before Erdoğan governments and are convicted of various crimes from robbery to armed terrorist attacks for the communist terror group, DHKP/C.
We also witnessed how Gülen-linked officers fired the Gezi protests by demolishing activists' tents. Oh not to forget, Gülen is also accused of demonizing rival religious groups and in one case, members of a rival group were sent behind bars by Gülenist officers. But, guess what? Fingerprints of those who conducted the raid were found on the seized hand grenades.
Gülen is not a person to talk about freedoms and democracy after he planned to return back to Turkey in Khomeini-style. If you wonder his power in state institutions, see how he brought secularist CHP and nationalist MHP together and many tiny marginal political parties together in nominating a controversial candidate to stand against Erdoğan in the presidential elections.
If Turkey is 'startegic ally', as it described by the US, Gülen should immediately be deported.
He surely wouldn't talk about how his followers sent hundreds of Kurds into jail, including dozens of journalists (which led Erdoğan to be in the center of freedom-of-press criticisms). But thankfully, thanks to a recent bill, there is only 7 'journalists' imprisoned in Turkey, 4 of which were jailed before Erdoğan governments and are convicted of various crimes from robbery to armed terrorist attacks for the communist terror group, DHKP/C.
We also witnessed how Gülen-linked officers fired the Gezi protests by demolishing activists' tents. Oh not to forget, Gülen is also accused of demonizing rival religious groups and in one case, members of a rival group were sent behind bars by Gülenist officers. But, guess what? Fingerprints of those who conducted the raid were found on the seized hand grenades.
Gülen is not a person to talk about freedoms and democracy after he planned to return back to Turkey in Khomeini-style. If you wonder his power in state institutions, see how he brought secularist CHP and nationalist MHP together and many tiny marginal political parties together in nominating a controversial candidate to stand against Erdoğan in the presidential elections.
If Turkey is 'startegic ally', as it described by the US, Gülen should immediately be deported.
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Since when investigating corruption is called a coup attempt? Instead of reverting to vague allegations that lack any evidence, Erdogan should have allowed to courts to do their job so that he could be cleared (if he is so pure and clean)
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if there was a corruption, why did Gulen's police waited until Erdogan wanted to close Gulen's private schools? If not, you would hide the corruption when the right time comes!
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you know what happened pretty well: Erdogan found out about the investigations first, made his move and pulled out the private schools card
The level of hypocrisy in this article is staggering. Whoever wrote this article (we all know that Fethullah Gulen is not capable of writing even at second grade level), they failed to mention all the injustice while the Hizmet movement was in bed with AKP as together they tried to alter the secular system. The harassed academics, jailed journalists and military personnel (all with manufactured documents). Let's remember that the AKP now blames the Hizmet movement for all this charade. Relatively speaking, it was more democratic back then. However, such relativism does not make the Hizmet movement a pillar of democracy, au contraire. It is sad that NYT can be a forum for such outrageous propaganda.
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Well, it is interesting to claim Gulen is not capable of writing @ secondary level, whereas he has written tens of books that are read by millions :)
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Sure, he wrote them all himself. I also have a bridge to sell for you.
Mr. Gülen is the last person to pontificate about democracy. After all, he, together with his former friend and ally Recep Erdogan, have done their best to bury Turkish democracy. There are more journalists in jail in Turkey right now than in Russia, China, and Iran combined thanks to the members of the Mr. Gülen's organization who dominated police and judiciary.
Let's also not forget that Mr. Gülen helped to do away with the secular generals who guaranteed the secular character of the Turkish republic.
He's talking about democracy and the rule of law only because he and his friends are now on the receiving end of the monster they created. It serves them right to be hoisted by their own petard.
Erdogan got it right when he called Gülen a Turkish Khomeini. Besides, Gülen's disagreements with his former friend Erdogan are only personal. The well-being of the Turkish people are the least of their concerns.
Let's also not forget that Mr. Gülen helped to do away with the secular generals who guaranteed the secular character of the Turkish republic.
He's talking about democracy and the rule of law only because he and his friends are now on the receiving end of the monster they created. It serves them right to be hoisted by their own petard.
Erdogan got it right when he called Gülen a Turkish Khomeini. Besides, Gülen's disagreements with his former friend Erdogan are only personal. The well-being of the Turkish people are the least of their concerns.
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Fethullah Gulen and his supporters are the only opposition left in todays Turkey, which is moving fast towards authoritarianism. They are the only reasonable organized group within Turkey's muslims with which the west can have a dialogue.
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You're probably right, and Gülen's Hizmet movement is the the only viable opposition to the AKP right now, but the fact is that disagreements between the Hizmet and AKP are tactical and personal in nature.
The way the removal of the Turkish Army from politics was accomplished by the Gülenists, speaks volumes about the movement itself. They fabricated evidence and staged Stalinist-like show trials to put away the generals. One can argue that generals should stay out of politics, but it doesn't justify the undemocratic means to go after them.
I feel sorry for the Turkish people. The clock is being turned back and the prospects are grim when Gülenists are the only viable alternative to the AKP. The poison may be different, but the results will be the same.
The way the removal of the Turkish Army from politics was accomplished by the Gülenists, speaks volumes about the movement itself. They fabricated evidence and staged Stalinist-like show trials to put away the generals. One can argue that generals should stay out of politics, but it doesn't justify the undemocratic means to go after them.
I feel sorry for the Turkish people. The clock is being turned back and the prospects are grim when Gülenists are the only viable alternative to the AKP. The poison may be different, but the results will be the same.
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''Fethullah Gulen and his supporters are the only opposition left in todays Turkey, which is moving fast towards authoritarianism.''
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Hahaha, you can not be serious and fool people here.
Try two opposition parties, CHP and MHP, especially CHP (founding father of Ataturk's party) if you really want to demonstrate political opposition against Erdogan tyranny.
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Hahaha, you can not be serious and fool people here.
Try two opposition parties, CHP and MHP, especially CHP (founding father of Ataturk's party) if you really want to demonstrate political opposition against Erdogan tyranny.
Dear Mr. Gulen,
in my political memory, your first presense leads to late 60s. As along my father, (then a founding member of AP-Justice Party and a member of the city council, Bornova) you should have visited his (and his fathers) shoe atelier located near a mosque you used to preach in the 70s. Father says that you both talked politics and the content of this talk was to reach a consensus on tolerant values in politics and as well as in individual ways of interpreting religious life. It is maybe to highlight that you, during your preaches in the 70s, underlined that "jidal" (social struggle as you interpreted it than) was banned in Islam and told many of your supporters that your movement actually is not concerned with politics and gained many supporters through that stance. Many are confused. Any reflex of collective defense against illegal interventions of authoritarian approaches violating fundamental rights (as in case of the 1960 coup) should gain respect. But on the other hand serious concerns exist, such as of followers who trusted your words to be politically neutral, that you actually didn't and involved yourself in political rhetoric struggle, so along such concerns. Turkey had a by finding conditions legal constitution before 1960. Shouldn't any "Turkish" critics made to turkish politics refer to such constitution? inlcuding the regard that Islam is a religion with political provisions but does not require a certain type of government necessarily.kind regards.
in my political memory, your first presense leads to late 60s. As along my father, (then a founding member of AP-Justice Party and a member of the city council, Bornova) you should have visited his (and his fathers) shoe atelier located near a mosque you used to preach in the 70s. Father says that you both talked politics and the content of this talk was to reach a consensus on tolerant values in politics and as well as in individual ways of interpreting religious life. It is maybe to highlight that you, during your preaches in the 70s, underlined that "jidal" (social struggle as you interpreted it than) was banned in Islam and told many of your supporters that your movement actually is not concerned with politics and gained many supporters through that stance. Many are confused. Any reflex of collective defense against illegal interventions of authoritarian approaches violating fundamental rights (as in case of the 1960 coup) should gain respect. But on the other hand serious concerns exist, such as of followers who trusted your words to be politically neutral, that you actually didn't and involved yourself in political rhetoric struggle, so along such concerns. Turkey had a by finding conditions legal constitution before 1960. Shouldn't any "Turkish" critics made to turkish politics refer to such constitution? inlcuding the regard that Islam is a religion with political provisions but does not require a certain type of government necessarily.kind regards.
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Hi
this is extremely very important article, it is enlightening the thingns happening in Turkey right now. If there is any opportunity please increase the number of such articles released by Gulen.We need more and more.
this is extremely very important article, it is enlightening the thingns happening in Turkey right now. If there is any opportunity please increase the number of such articles released by Gulen.We need more and more.
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Mr Gulen has chosen the understanding of democracy that respects the rights and avoids the politicization of religion. Gulen's position is that there is no turning back from democracy. Religion is not something governments can impose but people can freely choose with their own will. Otherwise, as it happened in the case of Turkey, shrewd politicians can manipulate people's beliefs and fears for their own benefit.
As the world descends in to madness with violence we need to hear Gulen's voice of calm and peace. His understanding of Islam is essential for promoting peace in the region.
As the world descends in to madness with violence we need to hear Gulen's voice of calm and peace. His understanding of Islam is essential for promoting peace in the region.
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If the intent was to give space in NYT for someone to speak out for liberal democracy in Turkish Politics, Mr. Gulen is a poor choice. He and Erdogan are theocrats at heart with a sultanate/caliphate in their dreams. They just arrived at a point in their united efforts whereby fighting over the spoils has given way to a bitter, existentialist fight. In an effort to find "moderate islamists" in the Middle East who could be counted on not to be Soviet or Iranian client states US has been cheerleading since the 1970s these movements; now, their true colors are showing.
On the way to "bringing democracy" to the Middle East and bypass Saudis, Gulf Sheikdoms, US and EU policy has elected to relay on Gulen, Erdogan, Maliki et al and managed to create more sectarian militancy rather than help construct liberal civil society.
In the last election Erdogan received lessthan 21 million of the eligible 56 million votes; 13 million abstained. There are robust, secular political groups in Turkish polity that uphold, separation of powers, independent judiciary, separation of state and church that NYT should be covering more closely but doesn't.
On the way to "bringing democracy" to the Middle East and bypass Saudis, Gulf Sheikdoms, US and EU policy has elected to relay on Gulen, Erdogan, Maliki et al and managed to create more sectarian militancy rather than help construct liberal civil society.
In the last election Erdogan received lessthan 21 million of the eligible 56 million votes; 13 million abstained. There are robust, secular political groups in Turkish polity that uphold, separation of powers, independent judiciary, separation of state and church that NYT should be covering more closely but doesn't.
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Gulen chose to write an Op-Ed.
I am sure the secular political leaders in Turkey would be welcome to put out their views if they choose to do so here.
Musafa Akyol writes in the NYT regularly (don't know where he falls in Turkish political spectrum, but he seems to begin on a religious basis and arrives at liberalism, which is perhaps the most important opportunity in the middle east for the forseeable future, because you are not going to make hundreds of millions of people secularists by force).
Turkey is an pivotal state in the middle east, and its current President does seem to have lost his way in some respects (such errors eventually come back to bite, all it takes is one turn of the economic wheel). This is not to say the secularists did not make many mistakes, they did.
As a NYT reader, it would be a great thing to hear from the broad spectrum of voices representing the society.
I am sure the secular political leaders in Turkey would be welcome to put out their views if they choose to do so here.
Musafa Akyol writes in the NYT regularly (don't know where he falls in Turkish political spectrum, but he seems to begin on a religious basis and arrives at liberalism, which is perhaps the most important opportunity in the middle east for the forseeable future, because you are not going to make hundreds of millions of people secularists by force).
Turkey is an pivotal state in the middle east, and its current President does seem to have lost his way in some respects (such errors eventually come back to bite, all it takes is one turn of the economic wheel). This is not to say the secularists did not make many mistakes, they did.
As a NYT reader, it would be a great thing to hear from the broad spectrum of voices representing the society.
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Sinan, your claim about Mr. Gulen's "dream" of a caliphate needs significant support. This man and his followers have been declining political posts and benefit for many years. Yet, you put him in the same spot as Erdogan who clearly is going for a sultan style government with his recent actions. For the first time in Turkish government history, a President ran the Council of Ministers, the highest operational meeting in the government! He constructed a "White Palace", illegal w.r.t. the property law. It is clear that he has become a dictator. On the other side, there is essentially no evidence that Hizmet followers and Mr. Gulen are "infiltrating" the government. So, your claim doesn't go beyond an baseless accusation.
I am sure you and many others are thinking "Why did you then support AKP?" We said it many times, but let me say it again.. We supported the principles not the specific party. Had the other parties promised adopting of EU and democratic principles, they would collect votes from Hizmet. 7+ years ago, none of the "secular political groups" and most of the political minority parties promised these democratic principles, and very basic human rights and freedoms. Let's face it, those political groups banned girls from universities because of their clothing. I think those political groups now learned that ignoring people's needs & values is just not right. So, although Hizmet never stated to support AKP, its followers were right not to support the others back then.
I am sure you and many others are thinking "Why did you then support AKP?" We said it many times, but let me say it again.. We supported the principles not the specific party. Had the other parties promised adopting of EU and democratic principles, they would collect votes from Hizmet. 7+ years ago, none of the "secular political groups" and most of the political minority parties promised these democratic principles, and very basic human rights and freedoms. Let's face it, those political groups banned girls from universities because of their clothing. I think those political groups now learned that ignoring people's needs & values is just not right. So, although Hizmet never stated to support AKP, its followers were right not to support the others back then.
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Good point, except just as the AKP needed Gulen's movement to secure power from the secularists, so to will the securalists need Gulen's movement to rest power from the AKP. Any hope for a true western style secular democracy in the middle east, (at least not secured by the point of a gun), as the past few years have shown, is fantasy. Even in Turkey the religious establishment, especially now after AKP rule, has to much influence in the political process. Even in Europe democracy didn't begin to flourish until the Reformation and the Catholic churches influence was challenged.The best that can be hoped for and should be worked towards in Turkey is an islamist political entity/party that has influence but respects the law and shares power. Gulen seems to understand this. There is no way back to relying on the military to uphold secularism , while it subjugates about 30% of the population.
"The core tenets of a functioning democracy — the rule of law, respect for individual freedoms — are also the most basic of Islamic values bestowed upon us by God."
While well-intended, I believe this argument is all wrong. If it were right democracies would be the rule in the Muslim world and dictatorships the exception. That is clearly not true and misapprehends the special role Turkey has played. In finding a way to reconcile Islam and democracy, the Turks have inspired liberal Muslims everywhere. The Turks have been pioneers and are not in any way typical. Likewise, Muslim refugees in the West, like those from Eastern Europe and Asia, are pioneers in the democratic world rather than champions of democracy liberating core beliefs of the Koran.
While well-intended, I believe this argument is all wrong. If it were right democracies would be the rule in the Muslim world and dictatorships the exception. That is clearly not true and misapprehends the special role Turkey has played. In finding a way to reconcile Islam and democracy, the Turks have inspired liberal Muslims everywhere. The Turks have been pioneers and are not in any way typical. Likewise, Muslim refugees in the West, like those from Eastern Europe and Asia, are pioneers in the democratic world rather than champions of democracy liberating core beliefs of the Koran.
America born in humanity denying slavery and nurtured in equality denying Jim Crow has primarily allied itself with Sunni Muslim Arab nation state secular military royal theocratic tyrants and humanity and equality denying Zionist Jewish Israel in the Middle East. If and when Turkey turns from democracy it will fit into the typical traditional preferred American governing scheme.
Having inherited the ethnic sectarian regional imperialist mantle from the empires of the Ottoman Turks, the British and the French, America has left hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured and displaced or made refugees with no end in sight. Most of the human beings in the region do not live in civil secular plural egalitarian democracies. Most of the people are denied their divine natural equal certain unalienable rights including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Particularly the 35 million Kurds and the 6 million Christian Muslim Arab Palestinian Israelis.
The schism among the Shia and Sunni is balanced by fights with Jews and Christians. And the Turks (80 million)are facing Arabs (320 million) and Persians (80 million) and Kurds and Israelis (6.1 million). Backed by America the Arabs and Israelis sit at the center of the turmoil.
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" Adolf Hitler 22 August 1939.
Having inherited the ethnic sectarian regional imperialist mantle from the empires of the Ottoman Turks, the British and the French, America has left hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured and displaced or made refugees with no end in sight. Most of the human beings in the region do not live in civil secular plural egalitarian democracies. Most of the people are denied their divine natural equal certain unalienable rights including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Particularly the 35 million Kurds and the 6 million Christian Muslim Arab Palestinian Israelis.
The schism among the Shia and Sunni is balanced by fights with Jews and Christians. And the Turks (80 million)are facing Arabs (320 million) and Persians (80 million) and Kurds and Israelis (6.1 million). Backed by America the Arabs and Israelis sit at the center of the turmoil.
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" Adolf Hitler 22 August 1939.
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It seems that things have changed for Gulen followers in Turkey. For a review of the "Good old days," you can find a 2012 New York Times article by searching for: Turkey Feels Sway of Reclusive Cleric in the U.S.
In my opinion, this seems to be a basically a question of which Islamic faction controls the government in Turkey. In any case, after reviewing the 2012 article, it's important to remember that Gulen followers have established huge charter school operations in the US. Note that since late 2013, the FBI has executed multiple search warrants on Gulen schools in the US.
Following are the two introductory paragraphs from the 2012 NYT article:
ISTANBUL — When Ahmet Sik was jailed last year on charges of plotting to overthrow the government, he had little doubt that a secretive movement linked to a reclusive imam living in the United States was behind his arrest.
“If you touch them you get burned,” a gaunt and defiant Mr. Sik said in an interview in March at his apartment here, just days after being released from more than a year in jail. “Whether you are a journalist, an intellectual or a human rights activist, if you dare to criticize them you are accused of being a drug dealer or a terrorist.”
In my opinion, this seems to be a basically a question of which Islamic faction controls the government in Turkey. In any case, after reviewing the 2012 article, it's important to remember that Gulen followers have established huge charter school operations in the US. Note that since late 2013, the FBI has executed multiple search warrants on Gulen schools in the US.
Following are the two introductory paragraphs from the 2012 NYT article:
ISTANBUL — When Ahmet Sik was jailed last year on charges of plotting to overthrow the government, he had little doubt that a secretive movement linked to a reclusive imam living in the United States was behind his arrest.
“If you touch them you get burned,” a gaunt and defiant Mr. Sik said in an interview in March at his apartment here, just days after being released from more than a year in jail. “Whether you are a journalist, an intellectual or a human rights activist, if you dare to criticize them you are accused of being a drug dealer or a terrorist.”
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Thank you for sharing this! Unfortunately American don't know who these people are and what they are capable of doing for their success!
World events move ever more rapidly, and it is hard to believe that it was just a few years ago that Turkey was a model of democracy and modernity in the Middle East. Other than the overly harsh position of Ankara against Kurdish separatists, the Turkish government demonstrated that a country with an overwhelming Muslim majority could also be pluralistic and tolerant of all faiths. Turkey was admired around the world for what the nation had accomplished.
Today, as Fethullah Gulen outlines in his fine article, the A.K.P. regime acts as though it is the state, rather than merely a political party with temporary stewardship of the government. The descent of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu into a radical fundamentalist who distorts Islamic principles to excuse his grab for absolute power is tragic. In the process, Davutoglu has diminished Turkey in everything from human rights to economic progress.
Today, as Fethullah Gulen outlines in his fine article, the A.K.P. regime acts as though it is the state, rather than merely a political party with temporary stewardship of the government. The descent of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu into a radical fundamentalist who distorts Islamic principles to excuse his grab for absolute power is tragic. In the process, Davutoglu has diminished Turkey in everything from human rights to economic progress.
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A.K.P. has been evolved so deeply that, we, as the people of Turkey, can not believe how the members of the party humiliate their achievements and easily exchange the values they were carried to the stage with temporary perishable benefits. What a pity!
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Secularism is more than a personal belief. It is the bedrock of democracy.
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"Peaceful environmental protesters, Kurds, Alevis, non-Muslim citizens and some Sunni Muslim groups not aligned with the ruling party have suffered, too. "
He didn't seem that disturbed from this situation until he was targeted himself.
He didn't seem that disturbed from this situation until he was targeted himself.
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This view is an unjust simplification not based on any factual information, but only prejudices. No movement or no person is perfect, however the author have long been on the side of democratic values and universal human rights. He was the person, who unprecedentedly started the dialogue between those groups in Turkey in early 90s. He was among the first who said temples of Alevis (cemevi) should be regarded as places of worship just like the mosques. He was among those who said education in mother tongue is a basic human right and should be given to people without using this as a bargaining issue with regards to the Kurdish problem.
"The core tenets of a functioning democracy — the rule of law, respect for individual freedoms — are also the most basic of Islamic values bestowed upon us by God." So in my view of "individual freedoms in a functioning democracy" and perhaps this is also true in your version, I should be able to wear a cross and witness anywhere in the world as I please, including Mecca? If I were born into a Muslim family, I should have the individual freedom to be an atheist? All without fear of death or jail?
When Muslims who claim Islam is tolerant start supporting the rights of others to believe or not believe, to practice a different religion or hold humanist meetings in supposedly Muslim countries, when they clearly disavow Sharia law as not compatible with civil society which respects "individual freedoms," then we can take such statement by Mr. Gulen seriously.
When Muslims who claim Islam is tolerant start supporting the rights of others to believe or not believe, to practice a different religion or hold humanist meetings in supposedly Muslim countries, when they clearly disavow Sharia law as not compatible with civil society which respects "individual freedoms," then we can take such statement by Mr. Gulen seriously.
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Unfortunately, Fethullah Gulen is telling lies on what is happening in Turkey. Gulen and Hizmet movement used to have enormous power at police organisation and among judiciary. Now we see that, the movement has had established an huge wiretapping network in Turkey and recorded all politicians in Turkey, and used those records as extortion. Finally they tried to use that power against Erdogan and they failed, public opinion supported Erdogan against those. After that, the fall started for them. That is the real story.
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Corruption is the big reality which is permanently done by Erdogan and his ministers..By his illegal efforts Turkey began running twords antidemocracy..
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Yes , you are right, Erdogan used Gulen's power to profile everybody in ARMY and also Gulen's own people, when the Army's power reduced and discredited , he turned and used against Gulen's people.
or in short , Erdogan , when it finished his deal with Gulen, he stab him behind.
That is the truth , not your version.
or in short , Erdogan , when it finished his deal with Gulen, he stab him behind.
That is the truth , not your version.
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AKP second person in hierarchy said that.
A minister cannot buy and wear 700.000 USD (the number is true) watch.
That says a lot about Erdogan.
A minister cannot buy and wear 700.000 USD (the number is true) watch.
That says a lot about Erdogan.
"But victory doesn’t grant them permission to ... suppress dissent, especially when election victories are built on crony capitalism and media subservience." Reads very much like a description of the USA.
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It is entirely possible this author is correct. However, there ought to have been more given to readers about who he is, and the context in which he makes these claims.
The author was an important ally of President Erdogan, but has now become his chief rival for political power. The author is based in the US, with strong ties to the US government. Last month, a warrant was issued for his arrest, and the US will not honor extradition laws.
The Turkish Constitution was written by the military dictators, and was awful. The judges were appointed by those dictators, and were awful. The "free press" was a creature of those dictators, and was awful. The original awful Constitution was modified instead of replaced in a controversial process involving this author, and its meaning is now more confused than most Constitutions. Erdogan does not treat it as this author wishes, but this author does not interpret it as others wish either.
Erdogan is a primary leader of opposition to Israeli government policies regarding the Palestinians. As such, he draws much vituperation, and this author's rivalry gets help based not on their own merits but on opposition to Erdogan.
The author was an important ally of President Erdogan, but has now become his chief rival for political power. The author is based in the US, with strong ties to the US government. Last month, a warrant was issued for his arrest, and the US will not honor extradition laws.
The Turkish Constitution was written by the military dictators, and was awful. The judges were appointed by those dictators, and were awful. The "free press" was a creature of those dictators, and was awful. The original awful Constitution was modified instead of replaced in a controversial process involving this author, and its meaning is now more confused than most Constitutions. Erdogan does not treat it as this author wishes, but this author does not interpret it as others wish either.
Erdogan is a primary leader of opposition to Israeli government policies regarding the Palestinians. As such, he draws much vituperation, and this author's rivalry gets help based not on their own merits but on opposition to Erdogan.
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Thank you. I would like to point out that the author is NOT Erdogan's rival for political power. This is a fact. You will not be able to find any evidence to support otherwise. He is the visionary of a civic movement and a victim of Erdogan's intolerance and tyranny.
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When a country effectively has a single-party system, as does Turkey, the competitors tend to have close connections to that party. President Erdogan seems to hold power, although his hand-picked successor, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, may become a competitor. The fact that Fethullah Gulen comes from the same stable of A.K.P. politicians does not render his views worthless. Gulen voices pro-Democratic, tolerant opinions, which is more than either Erdogan or Davutoglu have bothered to do
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To call Erdogan a primary leader of opposition is naive at its best. In the last three years alone, where the harsh rhetoric of Erdogan against Israel peaked, trade with Israel increased close to 30 percent based on official numbers. Despite the rhetoric, no sanction ever issued against Israel by Erdogan. Erdogan is a pragmatic leader who, for power, can make many conflicting moves. It appears that Erdogan, controlling almost 60-70 percent of the Turkish media, managed to cover up his mass corruption cases even in the eyes of some people in the West.
The warrant request for Gulen issued by the Erdogan government is purely political and has no ground for an actual crime committed by Gulen. No democratic government will act on this request, period.
The warrant request for Gulen issued by the Erdogan government is purely political and has no ground for an actual crime committed by Gulen. No democratic government will act on this request, period.
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When Islamists gain power, they tend to seek absolute power to impose either Sharia or Sharia-lite.
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I think it is also important see that so far all attribution of power to the movement has proven to be false. We were really scared in to believing that "Gulenist" judges and police were wreaking havoc but where are they now? The government could not even write a case in the past year against Gulen and his followers. Where is the conspiracy? All they can do is jail people on false charges.Like they did previously with journalists in the past or with some Ergenekon trials.
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@ rtelbisoglu - Lest you think people don't know or have forgotten, the Turkish prosecutors who "jail(ed) people on false charges" such as the top ranking officers of the Turkish military in the Ergenekon trials were adherents of the Gulenist movement.
We have a saying in this country, "What goes around, comes around". It sounds like imam Fethullah Gulen and his followers are now getting a taste of their own medicine.
We have a saying in this country, "What goes around, comes around". It sounds like imam Fethullah Gulen and his followers are now getting a taste of their own medicine.
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