Edith Windsor Takes Back What She Said About Topless Gay Activists

The plaintiff of the Defense of Marriage Act case gives her theories on keeping love alive and pushing the envelope.

Comments: 37

  1. She sounds like my kind of gal. Love her!

  2. Hooray for Edie!
    Very proud that you are speaking for us all at the Supreme Court.
    Looking forward to many parties after DOMA dies its deserved death.

  3. Seems like a pretty normal soul, perhaps more independent than many of her generation, who just happens to be lesbian.

  4. What a great, honest, no-nonsense lady she is. Can't wait to see you at Pride, Edith!

  5. The world, and especially the United States, needs more people like Edith Windsor. Long shall she live!

  6. Im sorry you have condenced your interview with Ms. Windsor. She is obviously a person we should all listen to intently. Wish I had known her during my own struggles with being gay back in the 50s. We probably passed each other in the street 100 times but perhaps my immature thoughts at the time would not have pleased her. But what good she might have done me.

  7. Glad I met ya.

  8. "That's how everybody who's not gay decides to support gay marriage..." This makes the extreme assumption that all straight people are intolerant of same sex marriage until they meet a queer person. How ridiculous. Equally ridiculous to say that once a straight (and by this assumption, intolerant of same sex marriage) person meets a queer person they suddenly become tolerant. Every straight person already knows someone who is queer, whether they realize it or not. I fully support her and admire her courage in pursuing her case, but this is just a silly thing to say.

  9. Hmm, that's not at all how I understood her comment. I understood her to mean that many straight people who previously did not support marriage (or any) equality for GLBT people have a change of heart when someone they already know and love comes out. This has happened over and over with many political figures, but it's also a phenomenon familiar to many of us. It's one of the reasons I personally have always felt that it's so important to be out to family, friends, and co-workers.

  10. In her wisdom, I'm sure she'd be less surprised than I to hear how literally you took her statement. Try to lighten up, there's too much seriousness already on this topic.

    I know you come from a good place, though.

  11. In her 83 years, I think she's probably seen a few more people have to "come around" to the issue than you have. I think you are being a little flippant. Yes, many straight allies today were never intolerant. But 60 years ago that was not the case, and that's when Edie was starting to come out! It's a different world.

  12. Edie is such a smart, thoughtful and honest woman. Her open-mindedness and willingness to say she was wrong or sorry should serve as an example to everyone. My hero!

  13. God love you Edie!

  14. I shall be cheering at Edie's street party!

  15. Disarmingly, fearlessly honest, especially about herself and the changes she's gone through. And sounds like a person truly comfortable in her own skin. Thanks to both her and the interviewer.

  16. This is the best evidence that sexuality offers no immunity from irrational opinion I have ever read.

  17. My hero! (And yes, Ben Shapiro, I said HERO!).

  18. Gay pride festivals with topless women? Who needs 'em? I feel plenty of gay pride just reading this.

    What a lady!

    Thank you so much, Edie, for blazing this trail.

  19. Thank you for this scintillating de-objectification of our ferociously intelligent and quintessentially human plaintiff. Win or lose, I can't wait to hear what Edith Windsor has to say after the judges come creaking back from their lair.

  20. Any chance of getting the uncondensed version of this interview?

  21. Good article; silly headline.

    I did find it curious why there were two questions about her sexuality (not her orientation but specifically about sex) in the "condensed" interview. Would someone ask a heterosexual woman about her sex life with a disabled husband for a NY Times article that was not specifically about that subject?

  22. The fact that she is open about how passionate she and her wife were is relevant. I'm glad they included the questions.

  23. Is it too soon to give Ms Windsor a postage stamp?

  24. Hi Edie , I doubt you remember me, but we met at the Bagetelle in around 1955-56 when I was a graduate student, and you gave me your phone number and invited me to tea at your apartment. I went with a book of poetry, W.H. Auden; I even recall what I was wearing, but alas we had no chemistry and did not meet again. That was 10 yrs before you found your fantastic match in Thea. I admire you tremendously for fighting this stupid DOMA and I believe you will win. But don't blame Clinton for signing it. I recall vividly why he signed it. At that time congress was about to call for an amendment to the constitution to make marriage between just a man and a woman. It would have passed in enough states at that time to become the law of the land . Set in stone and hard to ever change. We considered it a moderate and helpful thing at that time.
    We are looking forward to the Supremes' decision in June. I will celebrate if we win.

  25. Best magazine interview of the year. I have great respect for the wisdom and experience Edie brings to the modern gay rights and disability rights movements. Thank you Edie for taking a stand and speaking out.

  26. Whatever was excised from the original interview should be published. With more. Sorry this interview is so short.

  27. Ms. Windsor: If you "apologize for everything [you] thought," then please apologize and rescind the "not a feminist" remark. Your dinging women everywhere. How can you fight for rights you believe in, fundamental rights, and say you're not a feminist? It's not a bad word.
    I find your "not" considering yourself a feminist offensive.

  28. She didn't support feminists because they didn't support her or her partner.

  29. Mare she 's dissing feminists because of their misandria and that they dissed lesbians - "feminists" put off even women - Ms Windsor does not need to change her opinion of them , feminists need to change their ingratiating , sexist , attitude and agenda

  30. Give Ms.Windsor a break. It's hardly the first time I've heard lesbians who wanted to be part of the earlier feminist movement in the U.S. say that they were basically "unwelcomed" in the fight for equal rights. How would you feel, Mare, if you were told to either "straighten up" or get out?

  31. We all stand in our little spaces in the big space time continuum that is human life.

  32. This is the best interview EVER in the magazine. I wonder if Edie would schedule me in for lunch one of these days? I'll bet she has a very busy dance card!

  33. Edith Windsor reminds me of another elegant, wickedly intelligent New Yorker who was crazy in love with her spouse and who broke through hundreds of years of prejudice to alter the course of history: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who founded the Women's Right's project at the ACLU in 1972 and litigated the foundational cases recognizing equal rights for women.

    I bet the two of them would have a lot to discuss over dinner.

  34. Straight from the last sentence in this interview: “….a straight friend…said, “Edie, somebody has to keep pushing the envelope.” [Edie] said: “I think you’re right. I apologize for everything I thought.”

    That quote and response explains why not everybody is jumping on the bandwagon for eliminating ALL differences and gender roles between the sexes.... Edie had an instinct for modesty, expressed it, then a hetero told her essentially that she was “old-fashioned”.

    For readers interested in pursuing this argument, read David Brooks' NYT op-ed titled: “Freedom Loses One”.

  35. Glad to see there's a woman here who calls herself a woman. After spending a generation getting people to think of and treat adult females as women, we're back to "girls" and "ladies." There's a difference between women and ladies. Edith Windsor is one fine woman!

  36. Thank you Edith for being who you are and doing what you're doing. I hope you get every cent of the the estate tax you paid back. As for heterosexual "bed death," I think you're right. I think heteros might have something to learn from long standing gay relationships.

  37. I love you, Edith Gold!