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I'm moving to Vermont from Arizona this May is there any advice I could get from you guys, it would be appreciated.

I'm not sure if anyone cares but I'm moving after I graduate high school soon after I turn 18. My sister currently lives there and I just feel like I need a new start, I miss being so close with my sister and I think it will be nice to have the experience of living somewhere new.

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Don’t feed the bears. Don’t hike in mud season. Check yourself for ticks. Get lots of different base layers and outer layers for the cold seasons. Get snow tires unless you walk to work. Budget for some sort of out door winter activity to keep the seasonal depression at bay.
So sence I'm from arizona I think my biggest concern is how do I deal with the snow and cold, I've never even seen snow in my life and I am cold by the time it is 50°.
Seconding the advice about a winter activity! It’s my first winter here and I am trying to figure this out myself.
Eat as much Mexican & Tex Mex as you can before you move, learn to cook as much as you can. Buy darn tough socks. Where in AZ are you moving from and where in VT are you moving to?
Bring your own green chilies. Bring me some, too!
I'm moving from Mesa, Arizona to right outside
Edit- right outside Burlington
Know that your body's response to the cold weather is mostly relative. You say you're cold at 50°, but that's in Arizona. At first, you'll feel that way when you get here, and in May, it's very possible we have some mornings at our below that temperature. Bear with it, and over time, your body will acclimate to our weather. Yes, you'll likely be cold a lot during your first winter here, but you get used to it. By the time next spring rolls around, you'll be like the rest of us, going out in shorts when there first 60° day comes around next spring.
I was born and raised in northern NY, lived in NY until I was 22, then spent 14 years in central North Carolina. I got acclimated to the weather again pretty quickly. Granted I had a base knowledge of the cold from growing up, but it still took some time to get used to again.
60°? I think you mean 45°.
I would wait until it snows, then drive to an empty parking lot and practice for 20 mins or so. E brake slides, braking distance, turns. Get used to it
I do this anytime I get a new car
thats good yearly advice for all of us. we seem to forget over the summer,lol
I do this every time it snows. Get some coffee and go do donuts!!!
In winter months, plan on it taking longer to get out of the house in the morning. You can't just walk out the door as you've gotta bundle up, shovel snow, heat up your car and brush/scrape it off, assuming it's uncovered. Also, it will take longer to drive to wherever you're going. Just give yourself plenty of time.
We just moved here in August. Some of what I’ve learned so far:
How much do we love it here? We feel as if we’ve died and gone to heaven, and we know we will never willingly move again.
I live in Huntington and drive 117 all winter in a front wheel drive car with studded snows. Wife drives a Subaru Outback with non-studded snows, so I know the difference. Do I prefer the Outback most of the time? Absolutley. Do I need the Outback? Only on days with enough snow to need 8+ inches of ground clearance (A RAV4 or CRV would be just as useless as my car in that).
You don't NEED AWD, but it does make it way better.
And yes, snow tires are mandatory. Even on a Subaru.
I agree that AWD is not necessary, though it’s nice. I’ve lived here for over 30 years and only had 4WD/AWD vehicles for a few of them. I don’t own one currently and don’t plan to. That said, if you’ll be living waaaay the hell out on some god awful dirt road/loooong driveway, you might need it. My house is on pavement, but I do my share of winter driving on some less than appealing dirt roads, and unless we’ve just had some crap weather (a dump of snow or ice storm or freezing rain or high temps that turn everything to slush — in which case, I try to avoid it) I do just fine with my entry level sedans. Snow tires though? Definitely not a choice. Get them. I used to get studded snows, don’t anymore, and haven’t regretted it at all. Your snow tires will last longer without studs (though never long enough) and your pocketbook and the state road crews will thank you.
I have an RWD V-8, good snows and I get around great. I went over Hogback in the snow last week. The downside of Subaru ownership is that sure, they go through the snow, but the long term ownership experience is crap.
I grew up in Scottsdale and love Vermont, you will do fine. Here’s how to set your perspective. Tons of people talk about how cold it is, but just remember that a whole other country of people live north of Vermont just fine in Canada.
While in Arizona this winter go up to Flagstaff on a few snowy days and drive around and play. Take some ski lessons at Snowbowl.
It's really not the cold that makes Vermont rough, it's the inconsistency. We'll swing from -20 to 40 and back within a week. The constant freeze/thaw/refreeze cycles are what makes it challenging.
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you reminded me of this pop density map
I moved from the Bay Area to VT 3 years ago. People saying get wool are correct but you also need some hard shells like wind breakers. You will want some that are just the shell and some that have more insulation. Get yourself some nice water proof boots because you will be moving here just after the end of mud season, VT doesn't have spring just Mud season. If you are moving to Chittenden county area go to the basement of outdoor gear exchange on Church street to buy some cheap used winter gear, this tip was key when I moved to Vermont. Also Darn Tuff socks does a sock sale the first weekend of deer season. Go to the sock sale. Get up bright in early and fight all the grandma's to get those cheap winter socks. Stock up on as many as you can afford, you will be thanking me next winter.
Arizona has almost no rain or humidy, get ready to deal with so much humidity in the summer you can almost hydrate yourself by breathing. Also plan for rain weekly, that windbreaker you got should have a good hood so you can use it as a rain coat.
Depending on where you are moving the culture in Vermont can drastically vary. Burlington is a liberal cesspool and the North East Kingdom (Northern part of Vermont North East of Burlington area) is full of back water red necks. There are things to love about both areas though.
Enjoy all the Mexican food you can now. Vermont burrito places are on par with Taco Bell and the spice level is set for people who think Mayo is spicy. Vermont does have some decent asian food at least, especially Vietnamese.
If you are driving through Vermont you might stop at a gas station go inside and see a deli. Your instincts as a non-native will tell you that this is dangerous, ignore those instincts. Some of the best food you will have in Vermont you will buy from a gas station deli.
You need to find a way to get out of the house in the winter. I would recommend buying a cheaper pair of cross country skis, which will run you about $100. Once you have the skis you can ski just about anywhere for free so it's a cheap way to be active in the winter, I have even ski'd down the sidewalks in Burlington before.
In the summer the lakes are a great place to cool off, but algea Bloom's will ruin it. Swim in places the locals swim. I would also recommend the swimming holes in certain rivers like Warren Falls.
Get used to everyone calling you a flatlander, even if you grew up in an area with taller mountains than Vermont. If you don't like it buy a lot of flannel and grow a beard, nobody will be able to tell you apart from a local. If you aren't white be ready to struggle with casual, but normally we'll meaning racism. Vermont is the 2nd whitest state in the US, people of color often complain about the difficulty of being one of the few people of color in a community.
Also BUY SNOW TIRES, no excuses.
Rickie's in South Barre has some of the best Indian food in the area and it's literally at the deli counter in a gas station.
This is the realest thing I have ever read. I feel so understood.
And if Taco Bell is okay with you, make sure you find a house within an hour drive of a Taco Bell.
Sounds like someone needs to do a road trip to Waitsfield and check out The Mad Taco. They're also in Montpelier. Very popular for a reason.
born and raised vermonter who lived in hayes valley that one time Hi!
Not a Vermonter unless you can back 5 generations
Moved here from out of state (ok, ok, Massachusetts...) but totally love it here. The cold in the winter is more than compensated for by friendliness, the landscape, the local produce, clean water, etc. And the total of muggy days isn't that pronounced. Where in the state are you moving to?
Ha, you only say that about muggy days because it’s actually WORSE in MA! Not a fair assessment :)
If you want to load up on winter gear, go to the burton summer sale! Every summer they sell their whole warehouse at crazy cheap prices.
And make sure to get some good socks to go with the boots! There’s a reason people buy darn tough socks here. Once your feet get cold, you’re going to have a bad time. They have an annual sale too.
All season tires aren't. By ice and Snow rated.
Bring an assload of money.
What part of VT?
Check for Ticks
It’s expensive to live up here and we are considered a terse and socially rude people by outsiders. We’re just straight forward and direct because we don’t have time for nonsense.
What kind of entitled moron considers Vermonters rude and terse?? I'm from the deep south originally, and Vermonters are THE most genuine and friendly people I've ever met.
My advice is to read the countless posts already here regarding moving to Vermont..
Get used to being called a Flatlander.
Isn’t Arizona quite mountainous?
Ah, but with the snow tires, Darn Tough socks, boots, hat, mittens, drinking a Frost Lush, no one will even suspect it. Pronounce "idea" as "idear" and you're golden.
get a good pair of boots. i just bought
with a 50% off coupon you can probably find still. great boots.
also get a indoor winter hobby like gaming or reading, as well as an outdoor one. ive taking up snowshoeing. which is why i got the boots... but we havent had the snow for it yet! im 2 miles from the Catamount trails! CMON WINTER!
Why would you do that? Just curious.
There is a phrase my family has “if you don’t like the weather in Vermont, wait five minutes or walk five miles” our weather is unpredictable so prepare for everything, and make sure your home has decent heat control.
If you notice a lot of deerflies chasing you, wear a hat with a sticky patch on the back. Make sure all windows have bug screens.
Just general moving advice, if people ask you to do something or invite you to do something don’t say no. If you say no the gist time people are a lot less likely to ask again.
You cannot legally bring or purchase magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Also unlike arizona in vt there is a duty to retreat law.
There are many strange seasons in Vermont: mud, black fly, knats, mosquito, tick, and leaf peeper.
This place is sacred, the rocks are dotted with fossils from the original Pangea, when this geographical area was at the equator. Remember this and give thanks to the Abenaki and indigenous people who were first here and still here. We borrow this space from them for a moment, but their ancestors spirits are in this land.
Where in Vermont are you planning to move? I'm a realtor and if you'd like some help finding a home, I'm happy to help!
Upvote for trying to help. The downvotes are a sign that Vermonter's have trouble with the idea of people making a living. I guess that's why so many young people are leaving the state.
I’m a VT realtor too and I got a lead off reddit once! Keep hustling!
Stay in Arizona unless your independently wealthy and have no need for cell or internet service.
I find it so much more reasonable here compared to AZ! Home prices in AZ are very high, AC is expensive and you need it 8-9 mo/year... child care was almost twice what it costs here... I can’t think of a way it’s more expensive in VT than AZ. Maybe food is slightly more, but it’s so much better... regular grocery stores seem to be about the same... idk maybe I’m missing something!
Not sure why you got down voted for this.
Vermonters will tell you they’re the most humble and accepting people you’ll ever meet then turn their nose up at you for not being from Vermont.
I grew up in Vermont then moved to CT. Was constantly harassed for being a “flatlander” by total strangers whenever I’d drive up to visit family in my car with CT plates. Completely changed my perspective of the state and it’s people.
I just moved to Craftsbury with my family (husband, 4 kids) in May from Tempe. We spent two summers plus a few visits in the NEK area the years prior, bought a summer place in the fall of 18 and came for the summer this year and couldn’t go back to AZ. Local people don’t like me saying this, but, it’s fabulous here. We find it more affordable (once you take a hit on the moving expenses and winter gear). We’re impressed with the schools, the food and beer - utterly fantastic. So many libraries. The views. Every drive is gorgeous. The lakes, the outdoor fun... plus, Craftsbury does a lot for local residents.
Winter this year hasn’t been a burden at all. I’ve been told I’ll feel differently in March ;) We took local advice and bought a wood burning stove (learning curve there), but this year we’ve been using the oil furnace almost exclusively. While I like the way the wood feels, the oil is easy. We have a nest and keep it at 55-69 (55 when we are away - we were gone in December) and in December- at 55, we used virtually no oil. We’ve run our furnace for a year (we bought the house last fall) and spent about $900. Maybe we’re just lucky to have a small, well insulated house.
We’ve had a lot of learning curves. We raised pigs and learned a lot; installed a wood stove and learned a lot; had a bad rain storm in oct and lost power for 3 days and learned a lot... but, I’d say the biggest learning curve is that things are a lot slower here. Part of why we came, but when you want to get something done (have someone come look at plumbing, electric, masonry, basically any trade) you’ll wait. We’ve been trying to do some work on our 1890’s farmhouse and it’s hard to get things done. Don’t wait to do anything (like butcher your pigs, get wood delivered, have a fireplace serviced, get tires done, any car work at all) or expect to be given a 6 mo timeframe.
I don’t miss Arizona ever :/ It feels so hot and cranky all the time. The traffic is rough, the home prices are rough, the schools are rough, healthcare sucks, food isn’t any good... there’s a giant political divide and the issues at the border... nope. I love the open, alone desert, but with kids this is a way better move.
I'm moving to Burlington from San Diego in May. This discussion is very helpful! But please tell me there is mexican food somewhere!
Don't.