Supreme Court Won't Hear Case To Ticket Homeless For Sleeping In Public Spaces
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The Boise ruling limits enforcement of no camping ordinances when there isn't sufficient shelter space. So create the shelter space, and then ticket to your heart's content.
They're working on it... but they're still short about 40,000 beds in Los Angeles County.
What is a ticket gonna do though?
100% agree but unfortunately easier said than done
It would be a waste of housing because the vast majority of homeless prefer their present living conditions without rules against drug and alcohol use. But this has been hashed over a million times, blah blah blah.
Look, the US Army is very good at building large scale living quarters so it can be done - but where? You won't be allowed to ship the homeless to housing where space is available so the Boise ruling is absolute nonsense.
Spitballing here....so since this ruling essentially means that camping on public land is de facto permitted, could a benevolent group theoretically come together to make a small village? Put in simple temporary infrastructure etc? I guess that all depends on definition of "camp"
I'm thinking because its been so hard to permit and approve even emergency shelters, people could take things into their own hands and setup emergency organized camps on public land and be within the confines of the law
The problem is most people don't set up all the infrastructure necessary. You ever looked at the aftermath of those Occupy movements years ago? Filthy.
What is to stop large homeless encampments in the National Parks. There is infrastructure there. What is to stop anyone from camping at a choice National Park campground indefinitely, they just claim to be homeless?
If it were as simple as that don't ypu think someone would have by now?
Everything you said would require permits which would be denied.
So basically this means if a homeless person decides to set up a tent on the sidewalk in front of your house, you have no recourse? Maybe they should start camping on the sidewalks in Beverly Hills.
Most sidewalks in residential areas are actually on private property, not public property, so I think trespassing would apply. Homeowner owns the property and grants an easement for the sidewalk. I don't think this would be considered a public space, but that probably needs to be tested in court.
You can vote in a city council that'll allow housing to be built.
Spraying bleach on the sidewalk daily and making sure your sprinklers hit them at 3AM daily will drive them away.
Question, does this ruling defend me if I decide to go camping without a permit?
I think that is one unforeseen consequence of this ruling, we going to start seeing the National and State parks over run with homeless encampments.
If you can’t jail someone for violating the laws/what the local community will tolerate, and you can’t deter through fines as they have no resources, what enforcements remain to keep peace and safety?
We would all love a system where the rules are clear, predictably enforced among all citizens equally, and sentencing takes into account mitigating circumstances, rather than leaving it up to law enforcement to judge what is punishable and what isn’t, or to the DA to prioritize which subset of crimes to try, which much larger set to plea out and which to simply drop. It’s a crazy system that doesn’t work and isn’t fair.
The issue is that there's nowhere *else* for them to sleep, because there's insufficient shelter space. They're being ticketed for existing without money for a hotel room.
So camping on all public land is protected. Does this include National Parks?
Only if you're homeless ;)
"Just move lol" "just get a better job lol" wow, real high quality comment
Yes, most homeless I’ve seen in California cities aren’t dealing with income problems, they’re dealing with drug addiction and mental illness. And that is a serious threat to public health.
Except common sense doesn't fly in this sub.
Just waiting now for the ADA advocates to sue the cities because the homeless tents are a violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act.