‘Big Brother’ in the Sky: Cathay Pacific Workers Feel China’s Pressure

Sep 11, 2019 · 28 comments
joe (usa)
Goodbye Cathay and goodbye Hong Kong. Not immediately, but the clock is ticking. Start shorting Hong Kong stocks. Of course if all airlines decided to stand together and fight the bully, stop flying to China. Then the tables will turn. Everyone hates a bully.
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@joe And who is that bully? The one that's months away from invading Iran or the one that hasn't even got involved in border conflict in 50 years?
R (WA)
Learn your own country's history before you come here to enjoy your freedom of speech: China has engaged in border conflicts with the Soviet Union, Vietnam, and India in the past 50 years.
Grace (Bronx)
Let's ask the Democratic candidates in the next debate what they would do about freedom for Hong Kong.
eric (Palo alto)
A coworker from China overheard my anti Communist comments during lunch with another American coworker, and went to HR to accuse me of discrimination against Chinese race. As a result I was given a written warning from HR! This already happened to American companies, in America!
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@eric You shouldn't talk about AOC and the squad that way. They are Democratic socialist, not Communists.
nobs (Washington, DC)
@eric If China is so great, why are there not big suburbs of Westerns in the outskirts of Beijing and Shanghai as there are huge communities of mainland Chinese in Vancouver, Toronto, Sydney, LA, SFO, etc....just sayin.
BBB (Australia)
Reading about what Cathay Pacific is doing to their own employees, a great airline in my personal experience, and an alliance member of our national carrier, QANTAS, makes me morn for Hong Kong's lost future and concerned that passengers are next in line to be social media searched.
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@BBB Maybe do something about your politicians that run compaign ads accusing non-white Australians of subversion first. Your country have more issue than Hong Kong.
bullone (Mt. Pleasant, SC)
This is an example of why "free trade" with China is impossible. The U.S. needs to diversify its foreign purchases away from China to other countries. Giving China power means giving away your freedom. China will never allow outsiders equal access to Chinese consumer. I have no doubt that Trump will sell out the U.S. before the election in order to give the appearance of making a "deal". I can only hope that future presidents see the need to stay at arms length from these despots.
Kai (Oatey)
Now imagine the peace-loving, benign, freedom-promoting behemoth that is China get ever more influence and power. Hong Kong is slowly going the way of Tibet, which was conquered under false pretenses and lies from Mao. And Taiwan should be wary of facing a Hong Kong future.
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@Kai Better look up an old map and see how long Tibet have been part of China. The "invasion of Tibet" you are referring to was reported under lies and false pretenses by media in the West to get popular support for the Korean War
Daedalus (Rochester NY)
This isn't Kansas, Dorothy. In China the law is what the govt. says it is. Control is everything. No amount of Times coverage is going to change that. The tragedy is that HK people are so convinced they have rights that they will goad Beijing into another massacre.
Daedalus (Rochester NY)
@Amy Feel free to go there and exercise all the rights you want. I'll light a candle.
Tom Wilde (Santa Monica, CA)
Yes, @Daedalus~ . . . and your comments here show that you're unaware that the rights you now fully enjoy were brought to you by people before you who were "convinced they had rights" that their overlords didn't want them to have. Your comments also show that you've been educated.
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@Amy Your descendants will speaks a non-English native language before China lose its lands to foreigners. China have those lands before Charlemagne was even born.
Nancy (Great Neck)
I read this article carefully again, and I am astonished that there should be any question that an airline employee should in no way publicly support protestors who have several times by force tried to close down the Hong Kong airport. I want no one to lose a job, but I do not want to have airline employees who publicly support protestors who chose to intimidate travellers. The occupation of the Hong Kong airport was indeed frightening.
Amy (Brooklyn)
@Nancy Why should a person's views about Freedom affect how well they can do their job and there's no evidence that the workers intimidated anybody.
James (NYC)
@Amy Not at a private company though. A private corporation has its own rules and can hire and fire if those policies are violated.
Tom Wilde (Santa Monica, CA)
Yes, @Nancy~ . . . and your comment here also shows that you're fully unaware that the rights you currently enjoy were brought to you by protestors who used similar strategies and tactics here in the U.S. When protestors are "indeed frightening" to the people who stand to gain the most these protests, we can get a much better understanding the deep level of indoctrination that passes for higher education in this country.
Lilly (New Hampshire)
Do we believe democracy is the best system? Do we believe in The Constitution, and our Bill of Rights? Then we need to win this very sophisticated war that China is waging with us right now.
Grace (Bronx)
@Lilly Remember to celebrate Constitution Day on Sept 17!
Vail (California)
@Lilly What about our democracy? Things don't's seem to going too good for it either or haven't you noticed. We should be looking at ourselves and our "leaders"
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@Lilly China is waging a way with the US in Hong Kong? You do realize Hong Kong is a part of China right? Seems like "democracy" brings its war to another foreign shore again.
Confucius (new york city)
"...But many of Cathay’s 26,000 Hong Kong-based employees sympathize with the protesters." You have reliable sources for this assertion? How many of the 26,000 is "many"? If not, then it is pure speculation. To avoid accusations of favoritism and bias, I suggest: "But it is thought Cathay’s 26,000 Hong Kong-based employees sympathize with the protesters.
joe (usa)
@Confucius At this point I would say that "all" of Cathay's 26,000 employees sympathize. Or are they not also Hong Kong citizens? Believe me at some point when the Chinese dictatorship starts to lay a heavy hand "everyone" will fight for their lives.
AmateurHistorian (NYC)
@Confucius The biggest protest only have a turn out of 400000 (Columbia journalism review) to 800000 (Reuters) out of HK's 7.4 million. The 2 million number was greatly exaggerated and reported by foreign media. It is safe to say the vast majority of HK residents do not care enough to join a protest and the support is even less now after months of blocking every forms of mass transit.
a (a)
@AmateurHistorian If we are debating whether the majority in HK support the protesters, then here's an opinion poll from mid-august for you. https://video3.mingpao.com/inews/201908/20190816_survey.pdf If you can't read Chinese I can translate the main findings. On the two main demands of the protesters, i.e. withdrawal of the extradition bill and an independent commission to investigate police brutality, 76% and 80.1% agreed that they are necessary. On who to blame for the crisis, 77.7% replied the HK government or the Chinese government while 8.5% replied the protesters.