5 Woodstock Myths, Debunked

Aug 07, 2019 · 41 comments
Kai Laiho (Finland)
Woodstock was really the spinal tap moment for the Dead. Helicopter radio on Phil’s bass, stage collapsing and everything. Comment from jerry walking of the stage. ”Well, it’s nice to know you can blow the most important gig in your career and it doesn’t really matter.” Pure Jerry!
Nancy (Baltimore, MD)
Neil Young was not yet part of Crosby, Stills, and Nash when they performed at Woodstock so perhaps the article should be corrected to reflect that fact.
James R. Collins (Boca)
@Nancy -Young, in fact, actually did play with CSN at Woodstock. He sang "Sea of Madness" while playing organ. The only recording I know of is that appearing in the "Woodstock" film. J. Collins.
Raymond (New York, New York)
Who cares. It was an iconic cultural moment.
Mr. Fedorable (Milwaukee)
The Band, Sly Stone, The Who and Jimi Hendrix were the heavyweights there. Sly and Jimi were paradigm shifters. The Who and The Band The two poles of white rock and roll, giving birth to Americana and metal. Had Joni made it we could add her name. Most of the rest were good to embarrassing,
N. Smith (New York City)
For all those out there who like myself, were either too young or unable to go -- check out the brilliant PBS video "Woodstock" from the series The American Experience: https://www.pbs.org It's almost like being there... but without the mud.
larry abbott (gardner,ma)
The '69 "Woodstock" was not the first. The first actual Woodstock Festival was held in Woodstock a year or two earlier. If I remember rightly, Paul Krassner was the MC. There were maybe 1000 people. I don't remember any of the groups. We had backstage tickets for '69 as my friend's sister was an assistant to Albert Grossman. We forgot them. Stuck in the monster traffic jam we walked 12 miles to the grounds, were about a mile away from the stage, had no food or sleeping bags, stayed about an hour, walked back to the car, and spent the night going about 1 foot an hour.
Sparky (Boston)
I attended Woodstock with my wife and drove up from DC in a just barely roadworthy 26-year-old school bus with 18 others from the area. Spur of the moment trip with a bus that had the wheels driven off by the past owners. We had a tape deck hooked up to the battery and we rocked all the way up (14 hours at least) to Bethel. Thursday morning things were still moving, but just and when we parked first outside the festival for a fee from some townspeople, the plan developed into survival mode. With only a few supplies ourselves, we walked 17 miles into town to buy what we could. Having an extensive first aid kit we soon found ourselves helping others with minor injuries. We ran into a friend of a friend and were then able to move our bus onto the festival grounds with a parking spot overlooking the entire area. 50 years later I remember standing hip-deep in mud Saturday night helping to unload food trucks that had managed to make it to the site, while the crowd listened and rocked on. For all the issues I do remember that people worked together, not like now. We are a divided country more than ever. Peace and Love is not dead, just trying to remember where I put the car keys.... I still have the original tickets to remind me the bus had no key the lock was broken....
Jimmy (Jersey City, N J)
Myth #6: I was there (along with an entire generation of hippie wannabees). Actually, I was a mere 12 miles away counseling at a summer camp. My co-counselor borrowed my sleeping bag that week end for an overnight off-camp, Woodstock. It returned to me a muddy, filthy mess. So, guess I was closer than most in living this myth.
McQueen (Boston)
So did Schultz name Woodstock for the festival or not?
Paulie (Earth)
The Grateful Dead, please. I could never understand the devotion to that band. They were like visiting a friend and being forced to listen to them play their guitar.
music fan (philadelphia, pa.)
@Paulie as with most things, your milage may vary. you are entitled to feel the way you do, but so many of us disagree with you about the worth of the grateful dead. great times in the past, fond reminiscences now, in our "golden years", their music has meant so much to us, through the many years.... and it still does.
Charles Coughlin (Spokane, WA)
@Paulie Yeah, most of the time I agree, but then Radio Paradise will put on a track and I'll find myself getting into it. Whatever you think about the music, one thing maybe we all can nod to is the band's marketing genius. Kind of emblematic of the Boomer generation--peace, love, and rock and roll but keep that capitalist backup plan in your back pocket, while all the while wearing that Che Guevara T-Shirt...
Steve S (Norwalk, CT)
I'm confused. If Schulz named the bird "Woodstock" after the festival, rather than the festival being named "Woodstock" after the bird, then how is "The Peanuts comic strip took inspiration from Woodstock, not the other way around" a myth?
Gregory (South Africa)
Surprise! No one cares! Baby Boomers remain self absorbed and still think they matter. Please go back to scolding millennials.
Perfect Gentleman (New York)
@Gregory Every time a story about boomers appears, some snotty little millennial insists on dissing it and them, as though millennials will never grow old, will live forever and not have the next generation do the same to them. Why can't people respect and learn from the previous generations' experiences, mistakes and contributions, which, by the way, created the present generation? That was the message of Woodstock: love, peace, respect. Not move over and die, it's my turn. Oh, wait, sorry, didn't mean to scold you.
BQ (Cleveland)
These "myths" are the best you can come up with?? Townsend bopping Abbie Hoffman in the head? The "Peanuts" bird? Apparently the "myths" are mostly true.
Todd (San Fran)
With regard to Joni Mitchell, you leave out the fact that Crosby Stills and Nash played Woodstock, but made it back in time to crash Mitchell's slot on the Cavette show, effective stealing the slot because everyone wanted to talk to them about Woodstock. Of course, she gets the last laugh with a classic song, but at the time, what a bummer for her
Nick Kirgo (Los Angeles)
Yes, I can see how these questions challenge both the historically and culturally illiterate. Payouts really could do better, NYT.
Perfect Gentleman (New York)
So many great performances have gone unmentioned in the Times's coverage. Alvin Lee of Ten Years After managing to be hyper and nearly unconscious at the same time. Jimi's "Star Spangled Banner" is, for my money, the best rendition of that song ever. Country Joe leading the Fish Cheer. And Joe Cocker! When I saw the film and his number finished, it was the first time I ever heard a movie audience applaud.
RJM (NYS)
@Perfect Gentleman One year later I got to see Jimi Hendrix perform at the Atlanta Rock Festival.It wasn't in Atlanta(Byrong Ga.) but that's what it was called.My buddy and I were waiting for our orders to go to Vietnam when we heard about the upcoming rock festival. We got passes and hitchhiked from Ft. Benning to the Festival.We got to see many performers but Jimi coming out on july 4th and playing the anthem with his teeth was the most memorable for me.I also remember they used a motor cycle gang for security.When we first got there Rare Earth was playing on stage and a group of topless young ladies were all dancing in a circle.Ah memories.
codgertater (Seattle)
Of course it all never really happened - strictly a Hollywood sound stage and back lot production, just like the moon landing a month before. :))
Norah (Brooklyn)
Fortunate to see Hendrix at Isle of Wight festival in 1970. Unique performance. Not nearly so muddy or aggressive.
Paulie (Earth)
@Norah my biggest regret is not seeing Hendrix live but I did see the very last set of The Who’s Next tour at Madison Square Garden, much destruction of equipment.
Estalyn (NY)
@Norah I was at the Isle of Wight festival in 1970, as well. Unlike you, though, I fell asleep on the grassy hill above the stage right before he performed at 3am. What a regret; he died soon after that in on September 18, 1970.
Bud Bray (CT)
Jimi Hendrix was a U.S. Army vet of the 81st Airborne mold before he became an incomparable rock star. It seems a telling thing that far more often than not and in both hip or square periodicals, to use two U.S coinages pertinent to the roiling culture war of 1969, that fact is omitted or overlooked. A contemporary of his and also, like him, a vet opposed to the Vietnam War at the time of Woodstock, I like to think the worst thing one can do to his legend is omit or overlook his Army veteran's status when referencing his visceral closure of the Woodstock show that changed the world and arguably eventually led to the Iron Curtain parting for freedom in the Germany he had earlier experienced as his active duty Airborne billet.
Addison Steele (Westchester)
@Bud Bray Bud-- Thanks for mentioning Jimi's service and its importance. He was, however, a member of the legendary 101st Airborne, as well as a Screaming Eagle.
Don (Baltimore)
@Bud Bray I may be wrong but I believe Hendrix was a veteran of the 101st airborne. If not it had to be the 82nd because as far as I know there isn't a 81st. Small detail but I agree that Hendrix being a veteran of an elite airborne unit is a fascinating part of his life's story and may have influenced some of the incredible sounds he created on his guitar. At Woodstock, i attempted to take a missing dog to a veterinary clinic nearby. I climbed over a fence and as i walked down the driveway a voice called out telling me if I took one more step he would shoot me. Peace and love, right?
Missouri Mike (Columbia, MO)
Biggest musical moment? I’ll stick with Soul Sacrifice (especially the drum solo) and Sly going “higher.”
James (Dryden)
@Missouri Mike Ten Years After was pretty good too but I agree " Soul Sacrifice" was the highlight of the concert.
Jimmy (Jersey City, N J)
@Missouri Mike I can tell you that the iconic picture appearing in the NYTs article this Sunday, looking up at the crowd, was taken during the performance of Soul Sacrifice. How do I know this? on the left is a skinny guy in an pulled out, un-buttoned shirt, looking to his right, chin up and applauding. That's my brother Rick.
Joseph Knecth (Fort Collins, CO)
Musically speaking, Santana was the best, not to mention Hendrix; his Star Bangled (sp?) is iconic.
Mike (California)
I'm glad the Grateful Dead actually did put on a good show. The story I heard was that Jerry et al were getting shocked on stage and had to quit.
Clotario (NYC)
@Mike Say wha? Listen to the recording. Awful. There is a good reason they are excluded from both the movie and the official recordings. Alas, now I have Love Light stuck in my head... :)
Immy (Phoenix, AZ)
@Mike I heard that too. A big T-storm hit during their set and electricity was arcing between guitarists' hand and their instruments. Phil Lesh also said that it was such a heavy downpour that the stage started to move in the mud while they were on it. The story in the Santana interview yesterday about him getting dosed by Jerry's mescaline was priceless!
davequ (NY)
@Clotario I've seen the Dead many times, from '67 on. And boy, can they stink it up when they want to, especially back then. Out of tune, out of sync, ... a total musical mess. So the story of them stinking up Woodstock doesn't surprise me. In fairness, I have also, especially from around 1970 on, seen them be absolutely magical. But yeah, I heard they were awful at woodstock, at least part of their set.
Edward Potter (NYC.)
Think one can speak a bit more about Hendrix at Woodstock. It's probably one of the most famous performances in rock and roll history, to start. Even that is an understatement. Few have come close. :-)
Terry King (Vermont USA)
QUOTE: "He had done the American national anthem dozens of times before, but this electrifying version, three minutes and 46 seconds..." I covered Woodstock for WALL and WMCA, reporting on the phone in those pre-internet days. Got the Posh accommodations: slept on the floor of the Press Trailer. I missed Jimmy's live performance of the Anthem, but I edited it and set it up as the late night sign-off tape at 1AM after the WALL Saturday night Rock&Roll show. It ran for a couple of months. Who thought the VFW guys would listen to that "RockAndRollCrap"?? But they complained to management and I had to change it back to something that would cause the usual listener "Click" at that point. It IS an amazing, creative performance, and you should listen to it, even today. Regards, Terry King
Mike (Toronto)
The Jeff Beck Group was advertised to appear, but Beck decided the newly formed group wasn't ready to follow groups like Sly and the Family Stone. He then abruptly left his U.S. tour and returned to London. The group disbanded, leaving Rod Stewart quite disappointed. They both admitted recently that it was all probably for the best, as they didn't want to be defined by that one show. Too bad though, it would be fun to have the short lived supergroup's performance documented.
Paulie (Earth)
@Mike Stewart wasn’t a “superstar” and Beck often disappointed crowds. I saw him at the Academy of Music, he told his singer “you’re no rod stewart” then he left the stage after 1/2 hour. I was a big Jeff Beck fan until then, even though he never wrote a memorable song except perhaps “Beck’s Bolero”.
Mike (New York)
@Paulie You're right, he's no writer. In fact, he didn't even write that one (it was by Jimmy Page). He's a masterful interpreter though. Check out "Cause We've Ended as Lovers" from Blow By Blow (a Stevie Wonder tune).