‘American Pie’ at 20: That Notorious Pie Scene, From Every Angle

Jul 09, 2019 · 62 comments
Ellsea (Portland, OR)
The movie and the continuing buzz all around it yet again make me remember that we live in a Kavanaugh world, where straight white boys being boys are just as normal as Apple Pie... There's something strange about the inner life of boys being normalized on screen, and yet no other groups represented to the same extent. I never understood my general sense of alienation toward these types of movies until the Bechdel test shone the light. Eugene Levy and the band of rascals that he runs with at least equally value the contributions of women.
Mala (Massachusetts)
Memories. I was 23 when this movie came out. I made a list of things that would make me refuse to date someone and "Has seen 'American Pie'" was on it.
Jethro Pen (New Jersey)
The piece is a significant, and informative, addition to this observer's - in his eighth decade - knowledge of American cinema. Just concerned it might be confused with and therefore detract from Don McClain's song "American Pie" written in 1971 and topping music charts in 1972. As Rocky said to Adrian, "You gotta be a moron" to confuse the two pies, but, hey, this observer is never surprised at the number of them out there.
ChesBay (Maryland)
@Jethro Pen--GREAT song, awful movie.
Imagine (Scarsdale)
Alyson Hannigan's scene was far more memorable for me. This I don't even remember.
Tom Benghauser (Denver Home for The Bewildered)
The Biggs character and his buddies were all virgins. The producer and director should have had the good sense to use a CHERRY PIE.
ADS (CT)
I watched this movie (on video) with a feverish baby sleeping on my lap, the weekend of her first serious cold, using a medicine dropper to give her fluids when she woke and trying not to laugh (and wake her!). Very funny movie, hijinx aside, some good talking points too. If you saw it and didn’t laugh you’re a better parent than I was that weekend!
Aragorn (Middle Earth)
The male characters in this movie would be considered potential rapists in today’s standards.
Left Coast (California)
@Aragorn Rapists? You are being obtuse, trying to debase the Me Too movement. What have you done to make you so glibly defensive?
Imagine (Scarsdale)
@Aragorn Not by any sane or moral person's standards.
Flora Waples (Denver)
Finch and Stiffler’s mom anyone? @aragon has a point....
DMc (Ca)
Never saw it. But I did see a Kevin Smith film called "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" in which Jason Biggs rants about how his career was ruined by that scene, and he can never get away from it...sort of like how Kathleen (can't remember her last name), who had a long career in Hollywood, played the nun in "The Blues Brothers", & when they called her a "penguin", she says thats all people remember her for now - as the "penguin" in The Blues Brothers....
ArgentBelle (Pennsylvania)
The great Kathleen Freeman, who is probably better remembered by film fans as the elocution teacher up against the impossible Jean Hagen (“I can’ stannim!”) in “Singing In The Rain”
Left Coast (California)
@DMc Biggs’s career was not ruined by one scene in a hugely popular movie. He is delusional thinking he could have been a movie star but for that.
DMc (Ca)
@Left Coast sounds like you haven't seen ... Strikes Back...Smith had "everybody who was anybody" in comedy then (esp. Chris Rock) - and I think Biggs was playing along (w/James Van Der Beek - from Dawson's Creek?) as impersonators of Jay and Silent Bob --- if you haven't seen JSBSB, you should check it out...
Robert Cohen (Confession Of An Envious/Jaded Spectator)
I first thought of Philip Roth, because it's from '" Portnoy's complaint" (so far as I know) originally. "Goodbye Columbus" of the same entertaining, embarrassing era, circa 1960s, also hilarious. However, I hereby reserve the space to be patently wrong. I betcha Eugene Levy could clear up the vulgar detals, as he also may have been Portnoy way back then too, or Richard Benjamin or Richard Dreyfus. This here old geezer used to have a fairly unblemished memory for trivia But now thankfully there is something that used to be called a Dog pile, and Wikipedia to settle bets.
Gabrielle Rose (Philadelphia, PA)
I've never seen it. Reading this article was more than enough.
Austin Liberal (Austin, TX)
@Gabrielle Rose Amen!!
Left Coast (California)
@Gabrielle Rose It was a simpler time. Oh how I wish we could go back to the early aughts, even with the lackluster movies and music
LarryAt27N (North Florida)
@Gabrielle Rose "Reading this article was more than enough." Nose in the air?
TTG (NYC)
I saw American Pie for the first time when I was home alone one night. I was nearly 30 at the time. I laughed myself SILLY and then forced my husband to watch it with me again as soon as he got home. I'm still not sure how he feels about having married a woman with the sense of humor of a 12-year-old boy. ;)
Working mom (San Diego)
it never once occurred to me to watch this movie. And now I'm sorry I even opened this article.
SkipJones (Austin)
@Working mom You don't sound like much fun.
ronzilla (Halifax)
Oh please. Does that make you feel morally superior? Nobody cares. The movie is worth watching at least for Eugene Levy's performance.
DRS (New York)
Your loss! It’s a great movie.
Anonymous (United States)
Pie was much more than a juvenile sex comedy. That’s what I had assumed it was at first. But back in ‘99 I stopped for lunch in Dallas and read a review. It may have been by Roger Ebert. It was really positive, and so were others. So my girlfriend, perhaps fiancée by then, went. The movie lived up to the reviews. The Mrs Robinson song coming on as Finch approached Stifler’s Mom was perfect. And so was Eddie Kaye Thomas as Finch, the sophisticated 17-year-old gentleman, who carefully hangs up his suit coat on a hanger, while looking at Stifler’s Mom, misses the rod in the closet, and lets it fall to the ground. I thought little things like that were great. Unfortunately, the Finch-misses-rod scene wasn’t in an edited TV version I just saw. C’est dommage. I can’t believe it was 20 years ago that I saw that movie. Thanks, NYTimes, for making me feel older than Methuselah! As to the series, I haven’t seen American Reunion, but I think the theatrical releases have some worth. But the DVDs, beginning with Band Camp, take a big slide downhill. I only saw them because I liked Eugene Levy, esp when paired w John Candy, and I was curious how far down he’d let his career slide. As to Universal Pictures, like, what were you thinking? Are you the same company that distributed American Graffiti and the original American Pie? Not to be unpatriotic, but not everything preceded by the word “American” is necessarily good.
FW (.)
And the Pierro della Francesca line! Genius.
DaveD (Wisconsin)
What, no credit to Philip Roth? Really? Portnoy is deeply funny; while American Pie is more like Dumb and Dumber.
HapinOregon (Southwest Corner of Oregon)
You don't suppose Alexander Portnoy was whispering in somebody's ear...
TPJD (Brooklyn, NY)
This article piques my interest in seeing the film again. I don't remember this scene and in truth didn't see the movie until quite a few years after it was in the theaters. Probably won't see it again however. I recall it being the most mean spirited comedy I'd ever seen and once was enough... that being said, maybe in this age of mean-spirited-ness, it will have a revival.
TGF (Norcal)
Eugene Levy is one of those rare actors who elevates virtually whatever type of comedic material he's associated with. His Schitt's Creek co-star Catherine O'Hara is another. Both are SCTV alumni. Saturday Night Live usually gets the credit for sparking the late 70's comedy "revolution" but if you look at SCTV's cast - besides Levy & O'Hara there was John Candy, Martin Short, Rick Moranis, Harold Ramis, Andrea Martin, Joe Flaherty, and last but not least Dave Thomas - SCTV had what is probably the single greatest concentration of comedy talent ever put into one show at one time.
Cat (NJ)
@TGF No offense, but the single greatest concentration of comedy talent ever put into one show at one time you speak of goes to Monty Python IMHO.
ronzilla (Halifax)
Nah, I'd agree it goes to SCTV. You haven't seen it, I'm guessing.
John (Hong Kong)
@Cat No. They had some great skits but if you go back and rewatch MP its actually really uneven--some classics but also lots of filler. Also the SCTV crew went on to have more success outside of the show than the Python crew did. Love both though.
Trista (California)
I thought the American Pie concept was derivative of Portnoy's Complaint and not anywhere near as funny IMO. " --- that mythical being who always called me Big Boy when she pleaded for what no girl in all recorded history had ever had. “Oh shove it in me, Big Boy,” cried the cored apple that I banged silly on that picnic. [redacted] ......screamed the maddened piece of liver that, in my own insanity, I bought one afternoon at a butcher shop and, believe it or not, violated behind a billboard on the way to a bar mitzvah lesson.
A. Brown (Windsor, UK)
The pie scene originated in the book Portnoy's Complaint.
GP (nj)
@A. Brown someone, please clue me into the validity of this post
Harold (Mexico) (Mexico)
@GP, Sorta valid. During my earliest teen years -- mid-1950s -- well before 1969 when Roth published Portnoy -- in the US, there were locker-room jokes that weren't "publishable" back then but would have served as sources or foreshadows of Roth's ("publishable") humour. Remember that up to 1973, virtually all young men in the US, but especially the "non-college-bound," were threatened by the draft and were being deliberately prepared to survive life in male-only barracks. This movie came out in 1999.
LarryAt27N (North Florida)
@GP 'S true. See Trista's post above yours.
Josh (Seattle)
Goodness, my eyes welled up at the humor. Released just weeks after I graduated high school, it was perfect for its time, and the casting was spot-on.
RH (WI)
Eugene Levy is one of the best "character" actors in comedy film history. His roles in "Best in Show", "Waiting for Guffman" and "A Mighty Wind" are classic. I've never seen "American Pie", though. Maybe I'm too old. Anyway, whenever one of those three run on television, I watch it again.
Josh (Seattle)
@RH Mr. Levy was cast perfectly for the father role in American Pie. I get tears of laughter just remembering it. Perfect "square dad."
porcamiseria (Portland, Maine)
@RH Check him out in Schitt's Creek on Netflix. I had my doubts after the first episode, but it soon became a favorite. Very funny. And to boot, it stars Katherine O'Hara as Levy's wife. I too missed American Pie. I must have been to busy raising kids at that point or something. I still remember the old SCTV out of Toronto. What a funny show.
melish27 (NJ)
@porcamiseria Fwiw Schitt's was co-created by Levy and his son Daniel, who plays (drum roll...) his character's son! Truly, the apple pie doesn't fall far from the tree.
George Seely (Boston)
I was thinking how this is yet another movie where sex is a big part. But then I thought about the J-C Bible. At least American Pie is a comedy.
FW (.)
Loved the three movies so much, especially the original. And Alyson Hanigan with her line, "this one time, at band camp..." Come on, she was PERFECT.
Sean (California)
@FW The band camp line was what stuck with us the most as a group.
Kristen (CA)
The whole audience in the movie theater I watched the movie in audibly gasped at that line. Then cracked up. It was perfect.
Rocket J Squrriel (Frostbite Falls, MN)
@FW Alyson Hanigan has told a story about a very displeased girl who came up to after the movie was out. Seems the girl's name was Michelle, she play the flute, and had been to a band camp...
Gary Pippenger (St Charles, MO)
Hey, we all have to make our own meaning, though we don't have to do that alone. Most people never surpass 8th grade, about 13 years old, in many ways: obsession with sex, fitting in, being accepted and recognized, revenge (usually passive-aggressive but: road rage,) getting our fair share of the goods & etc. The "successful" people who end on the news because of unthinkable self-destructive, self-defeating behavior is proof enough. But compared to today's entertainments, the movie seems naive and even innocent (for a 13 year old.)
Michael (Peoria, IL)
I laughed just reading the article. Brought back memories watching the movie in middle school. Also think American Pie gets credit for bringing the term MILF into mainstream vernacular.
Annie (Penn)
Thank you for making me laugh this morning!
Postette (New York)
I hated that movie. I remember going to see it with a group of friends and we were all embarrassed. Problem was its depiction of teenage under-age sexuality in graphic forms. And my heart went out to that poor pie, forced to do that scene just to get ahead in Hollywood.
Greater Metropolitan Area (Just far enough from the big city)
@Postette Now you can rest easy since the article says it wasn't a real one. No pies were harmed, etc.
C (.)
They’re supposed to be 18 - high school seniors at their prom. Hardly underage.
Max (New York)
Embarrassed? Seriously? Geez! Lighten up! I’d just graduated college when this came out and I absolutely loved it. In fact, it was one of my husband’s and my first dates. It was a pitch perfect comedic coming of age movie. The only way I could imagine it being embarrassing would have been to watch it with my parents. When you say you saw it with your “friends” did you secretly mean your mom and dad?
Michael c (Brooklyn)
I was so relieved to read that this movie also empowered girls, although not with any kind of pastry.
Chris (Brooklyn)
@Michael c, maybe no pastries, but... "this one time, at band camp..."
Bridgman (Devon, Pa.)
Comedy seldom ages well and members of one generation won't find a single guffaw in movies that have members of another rolling in the aisles of their home theaters. I'll probably always find the 1979 version of "The In-Laws" funny and I'll probably always be baffled at the idea of calling "Anchorman" a classic. I tried to like "American Pie" when it came out—who doesn't enjoy a good laugh?—but came away from it only puzzled.
Anon (NY)
I kid you not: I read the first 4 words of your comment, and instantly thought, "Try 'The In-Laws!" "Serpentine, Shel, Serpentine!" That movie gives me laughs just thinking about it, whenever I need a laugh. Then again, your comment is true for bad, cheap laugh comedy but certainly not for the superior sort \i associate with Monty Python (Joke Warfare, Philosopher soccer, Blackmail TV, all the movies), Steve Martin (the Eddie Murphy film -----worth, Merv Griffin scene in Man with Two Brains, also in that fil a child diagnosing a complex brain injury, the Pink Panther Movies....Not to mention dozens of Hollywood Golden Age classics, including some Billy Wilder..... Virtually any Eugene Levy scene (Best in Show, several in "Splash" -- especially the "assassination" scene).... some comedy ages extremely well, and there are many SNL classics I can watch any time for a real laugh. Key and Peale have many sketches that will go down as classics ("Substitute Teacher", "self-aware bully"etc).... The truth is there is a lot of truly timeless comedy out there if it creatively and insightfully portrays a some absurd aspect of reality or painful or awkward aspect of life in a way to turn our bewilderment or dismay into mirth. But "In-Laws" certainly is at the top of the list in terms of aging well. It's timeless.
Anon (NY)
@Anon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewNLCkA0oBk From Chaplin's "Modern Times": a hilarious satirical treatment of the "efficiency movement" (Taylorism) still plaguing us today. This scene involves a feeding machine allowing the assembly line worker to eat lunch while still working. But the whole first 20 minutes of the film is timelessly hilarious satire on how factories and by extension modern industrialism assimilates people to the machinery, roboticizing them in a pure worship of productivity and efficiency at all costs.But perhaps most prescient as to our times is the realistic-to-our-times portrayal of video surveillance by plutocratic overlords used to control our every move for their own profit, and their unquestioned and unchecked power as they use this control with the complacent sense of entitlement of an anointed high priest scirpturally authorized to wield this power for the underlings' own benefit. One must see the first scenes of this film not only to understand the 20th century but the age of google and facebook as well.
Bridgman (Devon, Pa.)
@Anon Thank you for those suggestions. I agree with you on the ones I've seen. There are more examples of evergreen comedy than I acknowledged, though one many critics say is the best ever, Wilder's "Some Like it Hot," has never made me laugh. But that's just me.