War With Iran? Count Us Out, Europe Says

It would be just another war that the US loose. Iranians are not Arabs who are disorganised and not particularly heroic. Iran is a large country with a large population and the US would be in for a bloody nose. Remember that the US could not even get a couple of choppers to Teheran and back? Moreover, it has a border with Russia and can be supplied with sophisticated arms that the Americans cannot easily match. That's why there won't be a war: Trump is too much of a coward to face the possibility of an American aircraft carrier taken out by a Russian of Chinese surface to surface missile. As always it only takes one to get through.

The Europeans meekly went along with supporting NATO's transition from an ostensibly defensive alliance to a vehicle for American aggressive wars against Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Now it is beginning to dawn on them, with Trump ordering them to increase their purchases of American arms, that they are not the allies but the vassals of the US superpower, obligated to bow to its wishes. The day NATO ends will be a great day for world peace . . . .

In the event of another illegal war and invasion launched against Iran by the United States, I firmly hope that none of the psychopathic members of the Trump regime will ever venture outside of US borders. Authentic democracies with respect for human rights will have a moral duty to arrest and try the accused for war crimes. After all, did anyone call for amnesty for Karadzic, a sunny exile in the islands for example ? The United States has entered its most disgraceful period since 1945.

I am not surprised at Britain's reaction. The "Poodle" also had no problem starting a ME war. You do remember Iraq, don't you? A totally unprovoked (and illegal) war based on utter lies and deception. Repeat? Heck no. We want Peace. Not War.

Blood, violence and war are in America's DNA; we are a bloodthirsty nation. If no one wants to fight is, we will provoke them until they miscalculate and react. Then it's bombs bombs bombs, followed by chaos. We did that with the native Americans, the Japanese, ... America has always need a bogeyman, both to create fear within Americans in an attempt to unite us, and to provoke and eventually attack. Fight, we shall because we cannot live without it.

The EU has frittered away the last year with ineffectual attempts to sustain trade with Iran and preserve the nuclear agreement in the face of Trump's (puppetmaster Netanyahu) sanctions. The best way to get Trump's sanctions against Iran dropped would be to impose the same sanctions on Israel. That would get Netanyahu's attention.

What a transition! It was Bush's "Axis of Evil" Iran, Iraq, and N. Korea. Now it is being seen as the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.

Trump's backing down from belligerent Bolton and pompous Pompeo's threats of war with Iran (Trump crying to the media that he doesn't want war with the mullahs) will be taken as a sign of weakness by the terrorist Kremlin and Iran's Koran-thumping dictatorship. Watch for them, and other terrorist organizations, to stoke conditions whipping up a perfect storm for miscalculation. Trump and his band of bumbling idealogues are stumbling into their own demise.

Sure~ War against Iran, then China (an actual one, not the one of trade), then Russia! YAY! The world will be a much better place, thanks to us. USA USA USA! (of course i am being sarcastic. it's so shameful)

Doesn't anyone care about the tyranny and oppression of the Iranian people.

During the first Gulf War, Iraq lobbed scud missiles into Israel to try to drag them into the war. Israel should be prepared for much more from Iran.

Impeach, before it is too late. Why should American youth die for Trump?

Trump is financially beholden to Saudi Arabia. Trump is beholden to the Evangelical Christian supporters of Israel plus to Netanyahu via AIPAC and Kushner. Hopefully Europe can overpower this corruption of the American Administration.

In every consecutive conflict america becomes more isolated. America doesn't even try to woo for allies. This is the behaviour of a bully getting paranoid. Let's hope Trump get kicked out of office before he get some stupid ideas about china.

"Europeans are united in opposing what many consider the United States’ effort to provoke Iran into a shooting war." There are two nations which very publicly wanted to provoke the US into shooting at Iran, and wanted that for a long time. Only two. But they both have strong lobbies in DC. It is a foolish and self destructive policy for both of them. The Saudi Sunni monarchy lives by the oil that sits under its Shiite minority. It lives alongside Yemen, which has a larger population that is also largely Shiite. It also has built into its oil infrastructure Bahrain, an island on its coast that is majority Shiite. It oil can get out only by passing down a narrow channel hundreds of miles long, literally visible from and overlooked by the mountains along the coast of Iran, which are filled with defended caves and antiship missiles. The Saudi monarchy risks being swept away by the trouble it is encouraging. This is reckless. And yes, MbS is that reckless, witness his war on Yemen. The other major lobby always disliked and feared the Saudi oil lobby, and would be delighted to see them swept away. It seems a win-win for them. However, this is far from risk free for them. Consider if the US loses. Consider if the US attacks Iran, and does about as well as it did in Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya or Somalia or Yemen. What then? Who could fix that? Could the US start a fight and lose it? Would Trump? Get real.

Provocation is right. Religious piety, power politics, military industry money, and oil profits, is deeply involved here by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. If the US travels across right to the other side of the planet and waves guns taunts near Iran's shores, or targets civilian Iran air flights like the US Vincennes did, then Europe can be dragged into war due to NATO obligations. Europe will one day wake up to realise that if they could only be confident about a weakened Russia, now much less threatening than the old USSR, with China far far away, they really don't need a NATO.

Yeah, they just want to live their lives. Also, unlike the U.S., the Europeans don't have $700 billion of their money stolen every year by gunrunners and mercenaries.

. First, not a war, but air strikes; . Mission : destroy iran's nuclear military capability. . I dont think Euro assistance would be needed, and it might be drawback creating complications. .

Trump to world no no I meant fire some not the missiles. What are the chances that may happen?

Fellow Europeans, do not capitulate to American manipulation for support or participation in another illegal Middle Eastern war. The only reason John Bolton and his ilk oppose the International Criminal Court's jurisdiction over American war crimes involve their selfish fears of ending up like Radovan Karadzic or Ratko Mladic. Finally, the US armed forces consist of all VOLUNTEER troops : they do not merit our sympathy nor support for all of them will be accomplices to future war crimes soon to be committed again in the Middle East against the Iranian people.

There are many Amercans as well who believe that the Trump administration is the provocateur with Iran and for perhaps for no better reason than to distract attention from domestic issues that Trump want to removed from the headlines.

We Europeans don’t want another war on the doorstep of the Middle East. The region is already war-ridden. The Americans are sitting across the ocean, watching the whole game from a comfortable distance. The 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq took place without the UN backing and was later dubbed illegal. When French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin gave a speech to the UN Security Council, expressing his opposition to the war, he was applauded. Britain ultimately sent 45,000 troops to Iraq. Australia and Poland sent smaller numbers, while other countries provided political support. This time around, the Americans are on their own on Iran. They will have a hard time getting the Britons on board.

We know that Trump's bosom buddies Netanyahu and MBS are intent on war with Iran. We know that Trump put Bolton and Pompeo in the top national security jobs, and we know that Trump lies as easily as he breathes. Are we supposed to believe the pressure for war has gone away just because Europe won't go along? I notice he is suddenly lifting tariffs on Europe and Canada. Is he desperately searching for allies?

Funny how we always have an extra trill or two for our next war of choice.

First, this country cannot sustain another two trillion dollar plus war! Second, it's all reminiscent of the lead up to the Iraq War. Last night, the news reported that the Trump administration had pictures of Iranian boats with cylinders containing ballistic missiles. Remember the trailer trucks in Iraq? The George W. Bush administration claimed they had chemical weapons. As far as we know, those cylinders could be pipes for an oil pipeline. Finally, Trumps initial intelligence came from Israel. It should be carefully scrutinized, for Netanyahu would dearly love to sucker us into a war with Iran.

Fool us once, we’re from Europe. Fool us every time, we’re Americans.

Europe should line up with the Russians and Chinese and tell America to shove it.

Mission accomplished. With the bigot as your leader we are done with fighting US made up wars.

The European Union is very aware of what Trump and his henchmen are trying to do with Iran, and is totally rejecting this deliberate war like politics of conflict as a deflection tactics for all the domestic politics where Trump is systematically being exposed as being involved with Russia who helped him into the White House in 2016. The Iran issue is being geared up just in case the Dems start impeachment hearings. This is just a manufacture of conflict as a deflection tactic.

A fine thing that this article begins by calling the war in Iraq catastrophic. Better if it had called it what it was, an invasion of one sovereign nation by another, in which under the Nuremberg Principles the US committed a crime against peace. The Times did not express even the slightest skepticism about the pretexts for the invasion that the administration offered, which turned out to have been cooked up. Anyway, thanks to this article we know where our European allies stand on this next war. The question is, where does the Times stand? Did it learn nothing from its standing by the last time around? Wouldn’t it be nice if this time the Times stood for the right thing, speaking out against our country’s attacking another? If the pretext for a US attack on a sovereign nation is that that nation’s weapons, newly deployed or not, pose a threat—a mere threat—to the US, then Iran is equally threatened, in fact more threatened, by the vastly superior weapons of a hostile country on its doorstep. Accordingly Iran, more threatened by the US than the US is by Iran, has even more of a reason to attack. But of course, knowing the outcome, it won’t. The US, knowing the outcome should it be the one to attack, suffers no such sense of restraint. That’s where you come in, to remind the Trump administration of the legal, not to say moral, dimensions of the matter, that aggression by one nation against another is a crime against peace. Come on, New York Times, time to step up.

Good for Europe! I have gotten so I see conspiracy behind every tree, but this, if the US blunders, pardon me, continues to blunder along, it could be the end of NATO. Interesting call Don & Vlad had a couple weeks ago

Winning a War with Iran would be easy, just like winning Trade war with China has been easy, only it'll be easier! No one knows more about winning wars than Trump....sad!

A war wit Iran is on entirely of Trump's making. If he wants allies he should look to Israel and Saudi Arabia. they are the real beneficiaries of any conflict. I am sure Bibi and the Saudi's will give cheer him on as Americans die and pay the bills.

So this week we're tying to go to war with Iran. Last week it was Venezuela. Colombia apparently shows promise. I'm sure hoping Canada and Ireland are off the table for now.

America is crying wolf, again. Our allies learned a tough lesson with the invasion of Iraq and they do not wish to repeat it. An estimate of half million Iraqi civilians killed in the invasion which left the country politically/militarily unstable (I suspect there would be more civilian deaths in a conflict with Iran). Now, after Iraqis were subjected to a brutal war, the Iraqi government is a friend of Iran (Saddam was no friend of Iran), and Iranian militias operate in the open in Iraq and support Assad in Syria. The US pulls out of the Iran Nuclear Deal without even proposing an alternative. Then, Trump causes General Mattis to resign, hires a chicken hawk- Bolton (the man who couldn't meet a war he does not like), and Pompeo (a man who admits publicly that the Heritage Foundation shaped his views on world and public policy). So, Trump does all this while claiming he wants no war with Iran, as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Peace!

Although the US administration probably don't care what the Europeans think, and are more concerned with Israel and Saudi Arabia, it is egregious to act unilaterally as other states have interests in the Middle East. These include Russia, Turkey (likely allies of Iran) UK and others, including China and Japan who buy oil from Iran. There is little doubt Israel is driving this, and want to take out Iran's nuclear capacity, but the consequences would be disastrous, as the military command know well.

Our foreign policy is dictated by war criminals who belligerently disregard state sovereignty and international law. John Bolton should spend the rest of his life in prison for Iraq alone, not to mention Venezuela and Iran.

No war, period. This administration, in addition to being the most corrupt in our history, is also bordering on the most criminal. To start an unnecessary war would confirm it. It is immoral...not that Trump and his chickenhawks care about that. The Europeans should stand on their principles and deny support...including "lapdog" Britain (it pains me to say that as an expat).

Even if the war in Iraq went swimmingly instead of us drowning in misinformation, a lack of planning, and the complete corruption of the neocons, I would still not trust America about anything until we rid ourselves of this deceiver in chief. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me over 10 thousand times in two years, shame on the whole country.

If Trump should ever decide to start a war with Iran (or anyone else), he'd be doing it as a deflection to take attention away from himself and all his 'issues.' If he does that, I hope the rest of the world turns their back to him and says 'Good Luck.'

The EU needs to stand up to the plate, and soon. It needs to re-affirm the policy of adherence to international agreements signed and ratified by the UN. Unilateral breaking of the terms of such agreements is unacceptable in a rules-based society. It needs to re-affirm its support for international law and human rights, in anticipation of Trump's upcoming "Deal of the Century"

Ditch Bolton, Pompeo and their lackey, Marco Rubio. Then rejoin the nuclear deal,drop sanctions and ENGAGE with Iran. Who cares what the Saudis or Israel want.