Hello, Little Microbe. Doesn’t This Jacket Look Yummy?

Apr 22, 2019 · 58 comments
elained (Cary, NC)
What amazed me 30 years ago was my skiing friend who clung to their cotton, wool, and silk layers for insulation. It was CLEAR that the 'new' synthetics were orders of magnitude better. That Thinsulate gloves didn't get wet and soggy. Science will catch up with all facets of new technologies....we are a lot smarter than we imagine.
Mike (Schodack, NY)
Such pessimism in these comments! Thanks PrimaLoft - hopefully this is the start of a trend in all manufacturing.
SRose (Indiana)
Please start making clothing from hemp. Not only is commercial hemp good for the earth, one acre of commercial hemp consumes as much carbon as 4 acres of old growth trees, and several crops can be harvested in a single growing season. It will grow in almost any soil and actually enriches, rather than depletes, the soil it grows in. It is incredibly strong but can be made into beautiful comfortable, close to all weather, clothing as well as many other things. It is biodegradable. What are we waiting for as we try to find another use for petroleum in our world. Stop the plastics altogether. There's another solution out there.
Dexter Ford (Manhattan Beach, CA)
Or just drop that old jacket off at Goodwill. No outgassing, no waste, and somebody with limited funds gets a nice Patagonia jacket in a color that doesn't go with your new ski boots.
Just Julien (Brooklyn, NYC)
I tried to take some of my clothes to a thrift store recently and they wouldn’t take them. Mountains of donated and discarded garments are sent around the world through well-meaning charities and go unused. Our wealthy society is creating far more garments than we need. It’s not just a matter of giving it to the poor.
murphy (pdx)
@Dexter Ford Laudable as it might be to pass the jacket on for further use, Then what happens? One day it'll have run it's course. THEN is when the microbes would 'eat' it. And those old ski boots need to be eaten too.
Tom (Washington DC)
This should be a federally funded research project on the same scale as putting a man on the moon!
sleepdoc (Wildwood, MO)
Wonder if PrimaLoft has considered the possibility that bacteria will eat the fiber insulation while it is still in the garment? Though measured in a landfill, 86% degradation in 499 days i.e. 2 winters, might give new meaning to the term planned obsolescence. Also, the off gassing of CO2 would enter the atmosphere, there by contributing to global warming which is already shortening ski seasons in some places. While PrimaLoft's efforts on commendable, they need to consider the possibility of unintended consequences such as these.
Tim Scott (Columbia, SC)
However, once this product is commercialized increasing its sales at all costs will become the new "optimal".
marek pyka (USA)
Remember edible underwear? Who knew how close we were to saving the planet?
ml (cambridge)
I have pretty much stopped buying new clothing for many years. Now I’ve even stopped buying from eBay - with care, some of my clothes have lasted 40 years; even though I am no seamstress, I repair or repurpose those that show inevitable wear. But athletic and outdoor wear has been increasingly problematic in its emphasis on polyester. The commenter who wrote about the REI salesperson is correct, in that advice has been to substitute cotton and other natural fabrics which don’t do well when wet (from perspiration, the elements) with polyester. Although the PrimaLoft manufacturer’s efforts seem like a drop in the bucket, it is nevertheless commendable that outdoor wear manufacturers understand that they need to take steps to protect the natural world their industry and clients love.
Ann (California)
@ml-I also buy used clothing from thrift stores. There's an advantage in getting natural fabrics that have been washed. I still have some stretchy polyester exercise outfits and fleece vests, but learned recently that laundering non-organic fabrics sends microplastics into the water system. What Comes Out in the Wash https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/opinion/sunday/what-comes-out-in-the-wash.html
murphy (pdx)
@Ann Yep, so I went to the hardware store and bought one of those old fashioned washer drain pipe metal 'sock' filter and a drain hole metal mesh cup to help catch the micro plastic and took the drain pipe out of the wall and put it in my utility sink. Yep I have to clean it out. Not a solution for everyone, but I can do it. Many people can.
omartraore (Heppner, OR)
This may be the start of some more eco-friendly waste options for clothing. But what about the life of the product? Granted it may be better than cheap stuff made from oil (essentially) that lasts a couple of washes. But how would that footprint compare to garments that were made to last? That may not be not what the fashion industry banks on. But maybe we--as the society that consumes 25% of the world's resources with 4.5% of its people (meaning the globe could operate on a wildly unsustainable US living standard for about 1.3 billion people, instead of 7 billion)-- should think less about fashion and more about durable goods, local economies, and business models that don't depend on planned or perceived obsolescence.
Elizabeth A (NYC)
Unless this technology is deployed across ALL the plastics we use, it's just a feel-good exercise in futility. Coffee cups, designer water, plastic forks, bubble wrap — we are literally awash in plastic. Even things that used to be sold in glass (mayonnaise, mustard, honey) are sold in plastic now. Companies foist this eternal refuse into our waste stream with impunity. We pay for it at the store, in our taxes that are inadequate to pay for removal and landfill, and in our land and sea environments, that are increasingly tainted and damaged by this material. Until we have a government that's willing to hold corporations responsible for their waste stream (the way they do in Germany), we're not going to see a change. I'm not holding my breath.
murphy (pdx)
@Elizabeth A Meanwhile make plastic recyclable in the US of A. Keep jobs at home.
Chelsea (Hillsborough, NC)
I dislike the feel on my skin of plastic clothing, its hot and often I get a rash. I wanted hiking pants with cell phone pocket .I went to my local REI . I asked for cotton pants and was told by a very snotty saleswomen that that is old fashioned, 1970's stuff, and cotton was a bad choice for hiking. The stores love this cheap fabric and sadly even Patagonia only has plastic pants. Thankfully Farm stores still sell useable, life lasting ,cotton work and hiking clothes. If you want to get away from Plastics go to "real" outdoor stores. If you think they don't last I have 30 year old jackets and pants ,though maybe a little faded they are functionally as good as new.
The Anchorite (Massachusetts)
@Chelsea Patagonia offers pants made of organic cotton and hemp--but they do contain a percentage of polyester (albeit recycled). Never thought I'd be defending that company (whose products I admit I've happily used for years of long-distance backpacking)--because it seems to contribute just as much plastic (and harmful Gore-tex coating) to the world as every other major outdoor clothing company--but Patagonia is leading the way in one positive regard. Unlike almost every other company, it accepts back all of its products--used or unused--for recycling and/or resale. So, technically, no Patagonia products should be going into landfills or oceans. But of course the company is not yet selling bags in which its recycled plastic garments can be laundered so that microfibers released in washing don't end up in groundwater or the other bodies of water. It--and really every other polyester/plastic garment manufacturer--really should be giving those away, to "offset" the damage their petroleum-sourced products are doing to our planet.
J (NYC)
@The Anchorite, Patagonia started selling the Guppy Friend Bag when they discovered that their garments were contributing to micro plastics in our water. In fact, I bought one from my local Patagonia store when they made that discovery a few years ago. It doesn’t seem available on their website anymore (though it shows up for both Patagonia and REI in a quick search I just did). The company that makes the bags seems to sell directly from their own website now: https://us.guppyfriend.com/ https://www.patagonia.com/product/guppyfriend-washing-bag/O2191.html https://www.rei.com/product/143742/langbrett-guppyfriend-washing-bag
The Anchorite (Massachusetts)
@J Thanks. I've checked out all three links. I'm glad to know that Patagonia at one time was trying to help, by offering the "Guppy friend" bag for sale. Almost $30 is a lot to pay for a plastic washing bag, though. I stand by my last statement: that Patagonia and other plastic garment manufacturers should be giving such bags away, with the sale of every plastic product. It's the least they could do. A plastic (sort of) solution for a plastic problem! In the meantime, I am trying not to buy any more of the toxic stuff, and knowing what I now know, am ashamed that I own as much as I do.
Jenny (Los Angeles)
This gives me a lot of hope -- tempered with fear of unintended consequences. What happens to the waste products of the microbes that eat these garments? Still, if this is an example of business working toward positive ecological citizenship (and let's hope it catches on), and even better, this becoming an ingrained value in the ethos of business overall, what could be better?
Katherine (Georgia)
I am no patent attorney (or scientist), but it seems like the rights to technology to convert waste plastic into a fully biodegradable material is potentially far too important to life on Earth to be controlled by an individual company. Perhaps a patent to use the biodegradable plastic as fabric or insulation would be reasonable, and likely very profitable. But to patent a viable process to convert pollution into something benign just doesn't make sense. That is a technology society would want shared far and wide. Not held close to the chest.
Tom Stoltz (Detroit, mi)
@Katherine "Five years and around a million dollars of research and testing later they have an answer" That is why we have patents. The technology wouldn't exist if there wasn't an opportunity to make a return on the investment. Also, patents only last 20 years. Assuming they filed a few years ago, they will only get a 10-15 year head-start in the market to profit from their invention. There are a lot of junk patents and patent trolls that don't help innovation, but in this case, the system had the desired result.
W (Minneapolis, MN)
I suppose this means that a garment made from these new fibers would need a 'shelf life', like food products are.
Witness (Houston)
Or, give garments to a chewy dog that eats clothing. Case closed.
The Anchorite (Massachusetts)
@Witness Case not closed. What happens if the dog ingests plastic fibers? Do you believe that's any more healthful for the dog than for other creatures (whales, seabirds)?
Coopmindy (Upstate NY)
Not at all good for the dog, and the waste it produced would still be polyester.
Still Waiting for a NBA Title (SL, UT)
No thanks. I want clothes that lasts as long as possible.
C. M. Jones (Tempe, AZ)
Why not use this stuff in plastic bottles?
marek pyka (USA)
@C. M. Jones Why not use this stuff in plastic everything?
Rick (Fairfield, CT)
Bugs had been eating our clothing for millennia until we started making our clothing from plastic Use natural fibres and the bugs will go right back to eating them. You don't need fancy new technology or a start up to figure that one out Mothballs, anyone???
James (Savannah)
Fantastic. I’ll buy it, and everything else made to be recycled.
Elise (Montreal)
Wait, releasing carbon and methane into the environment? Won't that hasten climate change?
Scott D (Toronto)
While cool, how about creating less waste in the first place and making clothes last longer?
Just Julien (Brooklyn, NYC)
I admit I still have way too many clothes but I have stopped buying as much. One of the reasons I have so much is because at the age of 50 I have a shirt that I’ve been wearing 25 years at least. Maybe 30. I also keep a clothing archive of crazy fun stuff I wore in various raver / party boy phases in my youth. Every now and then I’ll drag something out and *Ta-Da* it’s new again. Or at least part of a great costume.
richard wiesner (oregon)
What did the microbe say to the skier in the stylish polyester puffer vest? You have good taste. I could go on but I have to feed my composter some old underwear. Somebody stop me. The ghost of Groucho is coming for me.
DILLON (North Fork)
My lunch ate my jacket!
Louisa Glasson (Portwenn)
I feel a sci fi out-of-control microbe monster movie coming on.
Susan (United States)
This "solution" misses the point of the real problem: that we Americans are addicted to "fast clothing", just as we're addicted to fast food. There is a revolution coming in "slow clothing", products designed to last and not be discarded after a season. Many of us "sew our own" just as slow foodies grow their own. The quality is much higher; the shirts I sew for my husband last much longer (and fit better) than the DK or Nautica shirts he bought at Macy's that are already noticeably frayed at cuffs and collar. But people want cheap clothing; and if it falls apart the way his shirts do, who can blame the consumer? The fashion industry is built on a purchase/discard/purchase cycle and is under no pressure to make quality clothing that lasts. I see no hope of this nonsense changing, and the "microbe-degrading" filling is a feel-good solution to a much more serious problem ignored on these fashion pages and elsewhere.
Andy (Salt Lake City, Utah)
I'm not sure you can force irresponsible consumers to behave responsibly. Part of the appeal behind polyesters is they last a ridiculously long time. If you're discarding polyester garments with any regularity, there's something wrong with either the consumer or the garment. The fabric is only one note, right? I would also suggest it's easier to simply re-recycle the plastics used in recycle fabrics. If this is not the case, I would like to hear an explanation why before fashion designers go laying out polyester sugar bowls for fabric eating bugs. What's the problem with plastic recycling exactly and what bugs are we talking about feeding? Think about the concept. Companies are trying to engineer a consumer products organic organisms naturally don't prefer to become more digestively appealing. How is this considered a desirable outcome, especially among the outdoor industry? Can't they go work on creating less toxic fabric dyes or DWR repellents instead? If companies were really serious about the ethics of fashion, we'd be wearing Aran sweaters. I might add, some people still do.
Ann (California)
@Andy-The problems of synthetic clothing are starting to make themselves known. An excerpt from an investigative report by the NY Times: "Tiny fiber-size synthetic polymers migrate from the lungs and guts into the bloodstream, potentially circulating for months. In extreme cases in the past, research established a link between textiles containing fibers of chrysotile (a type of asbestos) and cancer and death in humans." What Comes Out in the Wash https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/opinion/sunday/what-comes-out-in-the-wash.html
Rodrian Roadeye (Pottsville,PA)
So how many times have oil eating bacteria been utilized in massive spills? That product is over a decade old. Almost as old as the smaller longer lasting faster charging battery. It's all nothing but fluff to garner media attention and more research dollars.
Alexandra Hamilton (NYC)
A large number of people around the world depend on second or third hand clothing and in the tropics polyester is one of the few materials that readily dries. In many countries when the clothes finally become too ragged to wear the scraps are used for bags, rugs, patchwork etc. Clothing is one thing that is easily donated and really used.
Susan (United States)
@Alexandra Hamilton - do they depend on us for discarded clothes? Or did we make them dependent by displacing local weavers, fabric makers, and clothing makers? Have we killed home and village industries with our so-called charity? Industries, btw, that were largely the dominance of women. I find it ironic that it's now fashionable to support these same cottage industries that our charity may have driven out of business.
Ann (California)
@Alexandra Hamilton-Synthetic, chemically treated clothing is a problem: "At the National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis in California... medical, toxicological and ecological studies (reveal) the links between micro- and nano-size debris and disease and mortality in humans and wildlife. Medical studies showed, for example, that injecting hamsters with plastic particles caused blood cells to form clots. Other research found that plastics can cause damage by increasing concentrations of metal and protein in cells. This damages DNA, and kills cells and causes tissue inflammation....It’s not just ingestion of microscopic synthetic polymers that’s a problem for humans and wildlife. These microplastic fibers (including natural fibers) are often infused with harmful chemicals, including dyes that can cause skin rashes in humans, surfactants often used in detergents that are known to compromise the immune system, and antimicrobials like triclosan, which can kill wildlife." https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/opinion/sunday/what-comes-out-in-the-wash.html
murphy (pdx)
@Alexandra Hamilton Not all clothing is a good donation. This article is about cold weather clothing. I think not much of a call for winter jackets in the tropic. Ok, it's nit picking, but there is a LOT of plastic in the world. Enough for the Tropics and then their land fills too.
Martha Shelley (Portland, OR)
How about natural fiber garments that can be recycled? Like used clothing that you can give to Goodwill, or (for children) to the younger kids in the family. Making clothing that can only be used for a short time and then fed to the bugs will benefit the manufacturers--consumers, not so much.
Hugh Crawford (Brooklyn, Visiting California)
This sounds good, especially when you consider the fibers that break loose in the form of lint. On the other hand, I would like to know if this hampers recycling both of the biodegradable fabric itself and whatever it might get mixed with. Perhaps a “do not recycle” label?
Katherine (Georgia)
So they can recycle plastic and during the process "sweeten" the plastic so that it becomes attractive to microbes that essentially biodegrade 90% of the material. ?! It would seem that a breakthrough such as this could have far more important uses and implications than just making eco-friendly coats. How about we produce zero new plastic, recycle every scrap of waste we can find anywhere on Earth, and put it all through this process?
Elizabeth (Kansas)
@Katherine Happily, breakthroughs are being made on a broader scale for recycling plastics. Google "Carbios" to learn about the French company that is about to go big with its enzyme that can break down plastics for recycling and reuse.
Rachel (California)
I wonder how microbe-attracting fluff would fare in a wilderness canoeing and camping expedition, or even in a summer camp. One of the attractive properties of plastic has been that it doesn't readily rot. Without that property, why not just go back to wool, feathers, cotton?
Helleborus (Germany)
Wool and feathers? But but...they are not vegan! And cotton isn‘t politically correct, either. And you can‘t patent natural materials.
Coopmindy (Upstate NY)
Why is cotton politically incorrect?
Griffin (Midwest)
@Coopmindy cotton takes a lot of water to grow, organic even more than conventional.
NSH (Chester)
Alternatively, companies could make products which lasted much, much longer and did not need to be thrown out so quickly. As used to be done.
Dan (Portland, OR)
@NSH To be fair, outdoor wear is tough and typically has a very long lifespan. I suspect that it's most often replaced due to being out of style, rather than because it's worn out. Case in point: I have a fleece jacket that's over 10 years old that I have worn for bike commuting at least 100 days per year, but probably closer to 150 or 200 days per year. It's worn and no one would think it looks new, but the functionality is about the same as when it was new. Part of what we need is a cultural shift around valuing our old clothing more; this technology is a great development that can solve some problems, but not the whole answer.
Alexandra Hamilton (NYC)
They would need to persuade the fashionistas not to want new clothes...
BK (Boston)
@NSH: my family is all-Patagonia. It lasts forever, make great hand me downs, and they repair most everything for free. I have half zip poly shirts from the early 90s and they still look great. Worth every penny and the company continues to focus on minimizing their environmental footprint.