To be fair, shouldn’t we all start chanting “LOCK THEM UP”?
Just sayin’.
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No trail and no system to protect communications from the White House with foreign entities? So the Kushners can just walk around and take pictures of documents or whatever they want and send it along to who knows and there are no standard operating procedures? Are you kidding?
This is how a President who complains of leakers runs his own family?
Wake up people! 40% of you are really asleep!
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...and the crowd was crying, “lock them up! Lock them up!” Oh, wait...
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After Hilarygate, this? Did the collective "They" learn nothing? Hilary was never prosecuted for it, so why are they chasing Ivanka? And knowing what a stink it caused, why did Ivanka and Jared do it? And if WhatsUp is so encrypted, how did they ever find out?
The mind boggles.
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Lock them Up! We have no choice.
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NYT, please put this article under the Mueller report being given to the Attorney General. I could barely find it.
So looking forward to the congressional hearings where Ivanka and Jared get grilled for hours about this!
OH....wait....what????? No hearings necessary? Not going to get locked up? How can that be??? Silly me.
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You know what is crazy? I have consistency here.... It was wrong and shameful that Hillary got away with this I wanted her locked up for it.....AAAAAAANNNNDDDD it is wrong when the Trump team does it... they should also be locked up......consistency......
Sheer hubris.
As has been said: Lock the whole darn bunch up....and throw away the keys.
Disgusting.
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Sure hope the Times devotes as much time and space to this story as they did to HRCs emails in 2016.
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Trump's hiring of his daughter and son-in-law to act as advisors should never have happened for the obvious reason that they are unqualified, having no diplomatic experience whatsoever.
The fact that they are related to their boss directly through marriage is reason enough to deny them a security clearance on the grounds of mitigating potential scenarios such as kidnapping, blackmail or even assassination. The POTUS should, in future, be prohibited from employing family members and also disclose all personal assets, liabilities and tax records before taking the oath of office
just so the American people can see their new POTUS isn't a fraud or a con or a tax evader.
Alas, I get he feeling that if Jared were captured and held by ISIS, Trump would say, "Hey, he's a smart kid - don't worry - he'll cut a deal."
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Impropriety after impropriety and then we hear no more. What has happened to all the trump improprieties? Teflon man and the teflon family just keep on keeping on. What would we do without Sarah Huckabee Sanders smoothing over all the questionable issues?
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The problem with this sort of stuff is that both party members in offices do it. Since no one is punished for jail sentence so far, it really doesn't matter. Powerful and influential people will continue to do this kind of stuff for secrecy and convenience. Both party members are just playing games showing us that they are doing their jobs. I really don't care.
Jared and Ivanka should never have been allowed to hold positions in the White House paid or unpaid. They have no interest in public service. Their only concern is enriching themselves through their positions and connections to the president. The other major concern, especially with Kushner, is foreign entities taking advantage of and compromising him because of the highly classified information that he is privy to. He does not have the foreign policy experience or wherewithal to be in the position he is in.
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I was going to wonder out loud if any of this info about Javanka is being aired on Fox Entertainment Pseudo-News. Then I realized that even if the vaudeville performers who work for Fox mentioned it, Fox viewers (aka the Trump Cult) would dismiss it. They still believe it was a compliment when their Hero stated he could commit murder in public & his followers would not care.
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It won't matter. Whatever. I'm so despondent about all of these things the Trump regime does, with impunity. Will they never be held to account?
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If a Republican breaks a law and it’s not reported on FOX, did it really matter?
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Sean Hannity will be beside himself when he hears about this!
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Of course we always knew the kerfuffle over Hilary's emails was a scam, a cynical ploy to have something, anything, to hit Hillary over the head with.
Of course we have to blame the rubes whose misogynistic rage blinded them to any rational consideration of the problem.
But the media, NYT included, deserves a large share of the blame for treating the emails as a real story. Paul Waldman in the WaPo reports that “in just six days, The New York Times ran as many cover stories about Hillary Clinton’s emails as they did about all policy issues combined in the 69 days leading up to the election.”
And Clinton and all the Democrats deserve much blame, as well, for not pushing back hard, calling the emails the absurd distraction that they were. Remember that hours-long interrogation that Clinton was supposed to have handled so well? She would have done better to show some steel. "This email rot is nothing but a scam, a witch hunt, and I'm not listening to another minute of it!"
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It's unclear to me why rules are being bent to allow incompetent family scions to cosplay at high level government work. Ivanka has no governmental, administrative (as in Article I executive/administrative) experience or experience qualifying her to act in the capacities she purports to. As Michelle Goldberg has noted in this paper, Ivanka is unself-aware of the vast extent of her own ignorance. That she imagines herself competent to run for president is just plain embarrassing for any of us women who have actually done our homework and put in the work.
Of the multiplicity of jobs/titles Jared has been given, none has borne any fruit beyond the advancement of his and his family's personal private gain.
It is one thing to chalk up DJT Sr.'s ignorance to his apparent illiteracy (it's hard to learn things when you can't read). But Javanka just seem to be delusional. They imagine that intelligence is optional if your suit is well tailored and you have a good handbag. Abbe Lowell's clients are like a couple of junior high schoolers putting on a 2 person play about government.
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Jared and clan will have their day of reckoning. It may not happen today, but it will happen. The truth always prevail.
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Why is the Trump family given a pass on every damned thing? I know that zero will happen about this, just like the President will get off scot free for all of his crimes. It makes me sick!
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I take it that when Lindsey Graham opens his new investigation into the handling of Hillary's emails, it will include Ivanka and Jared's use of private email and social media accounts as well.
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Every time I hear that Kushner is "THE" senior adviser to the President of the United States, I just have to shake my head.
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YES, We got 'em!!! AND we got HIM!!
No, you don't.
But keep trying though.
The President will thank you in his re-election speech when he wins in 2020
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Folks used to say the Clintons thought they were in a class by themselves... above the masses. Turns out the Trumps and Kushners think the same. Congress needs to get off its duff and lay down some real rules for White House occupants. I'm disgusted.
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So, do we now have months of Congressional hearings coming? Can we get Trey Gowdy back as a special investigator? Will Republicans lead the chants of "Lock them up!" that are sure to be coming...?
Oh wait. These two are *Republicans*. Oh, sorry, that's all different... we 'look the other way' for ethical and rules violations if they're *Republicans*. Because its just expected. How many times did Jared revise his conflict of interest and security disclosures...? Mind like a steel trap, that one. Except for "forgetting" to list all those contacts... but hey, nevermind, Dad-in-Law says he's OK. Ivanka, that princess, she barely touches the water when she walks on it... no danger of -her- doing anything wrong. Am I right Republicans? Am I right?!
Hypocrisy - the fundamental, core principle (if you can call it that) of Republicans. Hypocrisy permeates and oozes from everything they say and do. Watch it happen now.
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lock them up
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Kushner/Trump clans and their lot have been insulated by their money throughout their "careers." The so called "rule of law" or the Constitution means absolutely nothing to them. The Trump White House is a casino of influence peddling.
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If I recall correctly, the President has a very rigid policy regarding these matters. LOCK HER UP!
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Lock.Them.Up.
What's good for the goose...
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Lock them up! Lock them ALL up. Cheats and scoundrels, liars and cons. Lock them up! They don't break any laws - only because they think that laws don't apply to them.
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Lock them up!!!
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The question is, why is this story on like, page 20 instead of page 1??
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Good grief, this is never-ending. Nepotism, incompetence, corruption, layer upon layer of scandal and outrage. And they admonish us to be "civil." But when it does end, and it will, it won't end well for la famille Trump.
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"May have violated ...??" On a National Security basis alone, "private messaging" is skating on thin ice, and flat-out crazy. And, there's a double-standard here. Hillary got slammed for using a private email source.
But, what the heck. Jared already got 100% clearance on all things regarding America's security and diplomacy. What's one more lie, in the greater scheme of things?
It's one more lie, too many. May We, the People, throw all of these bums out in 2020.
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The silence of Republican Senators is deafening. The GOP has lost all credibility. They must be voted out in 2020.
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Where is the Congressional investigation? Oh, right! It is only inappropriate if a Democrat doesn ti.
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Calling Jarvanka and Big Daddy hypocrites in this matter is like calling water wet. It may make us feel good to get all hot and bothered about the blatant arrogance of their hair-splitting and false distinctions, but it adds up to zero. The underlying truth is, they believe what they did is OK because they are the ones who were doing it. If us little people don’t “get it”, they’re much too busy to try to explain it to us - and besides, we probably wouldn’t understand anyway. That’s why we’re little people.
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As Kelly Grace Smith said here: "They are a perfect example of the entitled believing that because they possess wealth and power "they know," and the rules - and our laws - don't apply to them."
These are the same type of people I despised and resented in high school and still do, as I travel the nation for work.
The hammer will fall on this swamp dwelling family. Truth always prevails. It may take some time, but it will happen.
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Throw these entitled, irresponsible children out of the White House and OUR government. They do not belong there, especially with a narcissistic sociopath of a father who is about to be indicted for high crimes and treason.
It is enough of a disgrace that Trump, as a result of an Electoral aberration (he LOST the popular vote by 3 million), is there temporarily. He simply make stuff up and lies like a thief, trying to destroy the very underpinnings of our Democracy. We do not need the added burden of two sociopathic clones and a criminal Cabinet also.
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Very simple for AG Barr to thread the needle.
Simply charge Hillary under the Espionage Act (18usc793d and/or f), which is a national security matter.
When you use nepotism and "hire" your own children...you give up any notion of the press and public not going after the president's children. As employees of the United States, they must be held accountable.
You should have thought of this before you hired them.
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“Russia, if you’re listening...”
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The Grand Old Party of Hypocrisy.
Let’s remember, the great citizens of American voted for President Barack Obama, a black man, TWICE. It is the great citizens of American that can torpedo the GOP for good in 2020.
Let send them ALL packing
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Given your past extreme coverage of HRC's email story, I thought you might have placed this story more prominently.
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Russia if you are listening! Get those emails!
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@Mattias...russia probably has them already.
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I think they should be locked up in prison.
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Hypocrites!!! As Flynn recommended, lock them up.
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Doesn't surprise me one whit. It is all to natural to do so BUT certainly there should be a requirement that ALL OFFICIAL communications go through a central and triple safe secure system!
# # #
NYT: why is this not an above the fold story, as it was endlessly when Hillary did something similar??
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Maybe they're donating their salaries to the National Security Agency.
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How else is Kushner supposed to pass along top secrets to Saudi Arabia or Qatar? People are being unreasonable. The guy has a business to save.
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I am hopeful that the Times’ will thoroughly cover these national security risks and the outright flouting of public records laws and, possibly, attempts to cover up crimes.
The succession of outrages by this administration has dulled our senses to the lawlessness of Trump, but it is critical that this be covered with the same diligence used in coverage of Clinton’s private email server.
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It is so utterly obvious that for the Trumps, trafficing in duplicity, deceit and self interest is akin to breathing for most everybody else.
And yet, the GOP remain the party of complicity, mucking up the wheels of responsible government at every turn and a portion of Americans are unwilling or unable to see the con.
The Trump legacy may be a total collapse of standards in this country. Given the power of runaway media, social and otherwise, it is plausible that we are never able to recover.
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It's not right that these people can flout the rules because of Trump's nepotism. They never have and never will put the nation's interests above their own. They are morally and ethically unfit (not to mention their lack of knowledge and relevant experience) to serve in the White House.
Just another example of the treason that Trump and his family are committing. At a minimum, their security clearances should be revoked.
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Graham says he wants to reconvene hearings on Hillary’s email. Every Democrat should ask every witness about this, and about Javanka’s security clearance.
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Jared has been busy having contacts with foreign govt officials pursuing his personal biz interests and with his forced top secret clearance he can monetize that intel. Jared's brother was in Saudi Arabia while Jared was bonding with MSB ,his brother was seeking financing from Saudis ,do u think he got it? Jared got a billion $ from company looking to build nuke reactors in Saudi Arabia a coincidence or quid pro quo. Jared is protected by Trump and his administration so if corruption is taking place we will not know about it. Trump hides his secret deals with Putin and Jared hides his secret deals with MSB , since winning the election the Trump/Kushner families think they secured the USA as wholly owned property and to loot away as much as they can as fast as they can using Trump's justice dept has a cover.
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Reaction formation is the primary MO of Trump and his cronies. When they point fingers and scream the loudest, you can be sure that it is something that they are doing or have done.
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And this is why our partisanship is getting us nowhere. We should hold our leaders accountable to certain standards and behavior. We should be distrustful of them. And we should do this whether or not we belong to their party.
But we don't do this. We criticize the other party and make excuses for our own. It is now entirely appropriate to call out those who chanted "lock her up" but now excuse Kushner and Trump. And it is also entirely appropriate to call out those who accuse Kushner and Trump but excused Clinton's very similar behavior.
How are we going to get anywhere if we outsource our critical thinking to our partisanship?
This latest report is more of the daily dose of total hypocrisy, nepotism and secrecy from the Trump family. There is no oversight. We now live under what is effectively a one-party-one family autocracy. The Trump Republican Party runs this country.
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Why even bother reporting these things anymore, they make no difference. Laws concerning governance are no longer relevant in 2019.
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A March 2nd, 2015 front page story in the NYT alleged that Hillary Clinton put our national security at risk 3+ years before when she was SOS by her use of a private server for her email. .
In contrast to what Hillary did, nearly every one working for Trump NOW -- not 3+ years ago -- uses private email accounts and private servers. UNSECURED emails and tweets and texts and phone messages go out from his White House every day; notably from him. Jared and Ivanka's behavior is like that of everybody else there.
The NYT never gave Hillary Clinton the benefit of the doubt about her email, but is now giving Jared and Ivanka -- and everyone else in Trump's White House -- the benefit of the doubt. Apparently, the NYT believes all of them have better character than Hillary. Sure they do.
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Hypocrites. The whole lot of 'em. But we already knew that.
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The trumps and Jared double down on their reckless and illicit communications systems while mocking the rules in our face, is astronomically worse than Hillary's e-mail server which kept records. What government treasures is he selling?
The irony is that WhatsApp and anything else Jared and Ivanka use on their devices are likely compromised by ... the Israelis and the UAE and Saudis using NSO, Psy-Group - both Israeli cyber-terrorists for hire and DarkMatter a UAE cyber terrorist for hire in addition to whatever the Russians and Chinese have done to compromise their devices.
The Russians have the advantage with whatever secret communications back channel Jared established with them. Anyone believe he gave up on going through with the secret back channel he worked on before? Where is Gowdy and Jordan on all this?
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Private messaging services, private emails. What, did they forget about Hillary Clinton?
The Republicans will be up in arms shouting "lock them up!"
Probably not.
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While it's easy to point to the hypocrisy of "lock her up" for Clinton's emails and overlook Javanka's, the point should be made that the right could care less about emails, on either side. They simply hated Hillary, whether for cause or bias that was what Trump hung around her neck.
But doing personal business with a foreign government while in the White House is a crime his emails should become available for future prosecution, should that be warranted.
Really? Amazing!
I say!
Lock them Up! Hope the republicans agree.
Let's not forget how the Dems were treated and the GOP unilateral investigations that were undertaken from 2016 onward. Especially, those pertaining to Hilary Clinton, and her alleged inappropriate emails.
The same should be undertaken by the new House majority. The Trump administration must adhere to the same rules that the GOP used for allegations. Kushner and Ivanka must both submit for questioning, for the same reasons.
They may have compromised our country in certain matters. Also, it must be ascertained whether or not they received inappropriate personal benefits for themselves and/or their families.
If they fail to comply they must be subpoenaed. If they fail to appear thereafter, the matter should be submitted to the courts.
They should have no more benefits than the other party was given for past years.
From this I conclude that when they were all shouting lock her up in front of the crowds, they knew it was for no good reason. They didn’t actually have a problem with HRC using her own server. It was just red meat that seemed to work. So keep saying it at rallies!
It mattered so little to them that they can’t even remember not to do it themselves to avoid appearance of hypocrisy.
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Cynicism without shame.
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@BL You're uninformed. The Espionage Act is Clinton's problem -- this is a serious national security matter.
The Records Act is not.
AG Barr can thread this needle very easily.
@rex reese The FBI did a thorough investigation of Clinton's emails. It was wrapped up. They decided Clinton wasn't guilty. It wasn't a serious national security matter then. And it isn't now. Barr doesn't need to thread any needle.
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I would recommend that a sitting president should never be allowed to have any family member hold an official positioning the administration, paid or unpaid. There is no reason for it. There are many many people who can do these jobs without being related. IT will be better for the country.
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@George Can't trust deep state denizens. Keep it in the family.
@George
jfk and bobby?
@George there are already anti-nepotism laws. They were waived on request of the occupant of the Oval Office.
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I hope Congress calls her in for public hearings about her illegal use of private email for government business so all Americans can see the hypocrisy here. She needs to be asked how what she has done differs from her father's criticisms of Hillary Clinton.
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@KL The Espionage Act is Clinton's problem. Nobody's throat get cut for breach of Records Act.
@rex reese Clinton's problem is a credulous base of Trump supporters and their god head who holds numerous levers of power. Clinton's email use was thoroughly investigated. It was determined that it wasn't worth charging over.
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Gee can the trump crime family spell HYPOCRISY? Because as a whole they personify it and define hypocrite. Trump's endless claims and tweets about Hillary's emails and server and "lock her up" is still heard at his hate rallies. I guess laws only exist for other citizens not members of the trump team and crime family. Time for the trump's to go back to the putrid swamp they came from. Lock THEM up.
Just sayin...
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As usual in Trump world, one rule for Democrats, another rule for Republicans.
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Clearly, we're been locking the wrong children in cages. The ones who can actually do serious damage are still on the loose and compromising our national security.
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This issue was known in late 2017. Congressional Republicans squelched the reports. They are all complicit in obstruction of justice and should be in prison with their "ring leader", Donald Trump.
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When will you peasants realize that laws and regulations only apply to the little people? The royals are becoming bored with your lack of understanding.
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They're all criminals, from the top to the bottom. The Trumps. Evil personified.
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But her emails.
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Anyone who screamed for the need to investigate Mrs. Clinton and who is now hiding from these allegations about the Kushners should not be allowed to ever speak in public again.
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Russia and China, if you are listening, we the American people would really like to get these emails and WhatsApp messages of Ivanka and Jared. Please look for them and send everything you find to Nancy Pelosi and Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your help.
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Was it classified?
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So Ivanka is entitled to read e-mails and not preserve them because she didn't reply to them. Maybe Russia, if you are listening, maybe you can find the deleted messages Ivanka read and then deleted.
This family of delinquents think America and its government are their play thing to do as they please - regardless of the rules; the same rules they banged Hillary over the head with, they dismiss as arrogantly as their dad does. Its all in the family.
Lock 'em all up! Where's the FBI on this? Where are the Republicans on this? Why aren't the Democrats holding the Republicans to account for their actual and ongoing abuses as the Republicans did on Hillary's trivialities for decades?
Screen shots? Images can be Photo-shopped and they conceal all the pertinent meta data! He is not fooling anyone - except dad's base of lemmings.
What is Jared trying to hide??? What is Ivanka trying to hide? What is the trump trying to hide??? Indeed, they all have access to the nation's most valuable secrets and information treasure - information that can be sold to the highest bidder like Russia and Saudi Arabia or given free to Israel - an ally who has spied on America for decades.
At least Hillary never tried to set up a secret e-mail server back channel to the Russians. Trump exclaimed "She lied like a dog" regarding her e-mails - except dogs don't lie, ... only the trumps do about absolutely everything including their e-mails.
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That picture of Kushner in the car playing "advisor" makes me ill.
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You just can't make this stuff up any more.
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Lock 'em up? I hear Republicans chanting that now - I think. Maybe not yet, but soon. Surely they are not hypocrites.
Nothing but crickets from the Republicans, as you would expect from the party of hypocrisy.
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This story has been out there since early in trump's presidency including the use of trump org non secure server. For two years the House and the GOP looked the other way. Finally, some oversight. And considering trump's wailing during the campaign about "her emails", and the hearings and investigation, this is not a case of ignorance. It is stupidity and entitlement and the feeling that rules do not apply to the Kushner's. That ends. Now. Finally.
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Peter was wrong. Javanka is well and truly above its Incompetency Level.
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Can we mail this news piece to all those who attended the Trump rallies and yelled "lock her up"??
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The government use of private email for public purposes is ubiquitous in Rep. Cummings's home state of Maryland, as he well knows. Both Democratic and Republican members of the Maryland General Assembly, Maryland's Governor, and the Maryland Association of Counties (which represents county councilors), have been adamant (behind the scenes) in preserving this status quo. It is incumbent on the press and Rep. Cummings to explain why the open government standard applying to the federal government should not also apply to state government--in this case, Maryland.
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a recipe for fascism:
To a base of ignorance, add a heaping tablespoon of hypocrisy. Stir in a pinch of xenophobia. Turn up the heat and bring to a boil, then toss a few tweets encouraging violence. Add a goodly amount of guns and ammo.
Serve with a sanctimony. Make sure that you invite Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham. They can't get enough of this stuff.
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Shameless hypocrisy.
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Maybe we should just let Jarad and Ivanka play James Bond
and let them be near Donald. They may ground Donald and keep him from further into dark madness.
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After learning that Secretary Hillary Clinton used her private server for official business, the battle cry of the Republicans was "Lock her up!"
Now that the Kushner's family got their hands caught in the cookie jar the battle cry of the Republicans should be "Lock them up!". Right?
OH! I forgot. The rules applies to everybody but the Trump's family.
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Wait, I thought Hillary set the precedent that you can do what you want when it comes to email ?
The unhinged left didn’t care that she deleted 30k subpoenaed messages , securely erased hard drives and then damaged them as well but now all of a sudden they care ?
Why, that’s almost hypocrisy, no ?
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HRC was investigated by the FBI for her email system. When will the FBI start to investigate Ivanka and Jared for their email system and the contents? Will DJ Trump as Russia for help in recovering the Jarvanka emails?
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We weren’t shouting lock her up for a hacked email server. So why don’t you go tell your friends and family to start shouting Lock them Up.
That’s the hypocrisy. The outrage isn’t the email server or this issue it’s the use of propaganda to justify actions to gain power which you seem to miss completely.
So get out there and do your job to lock them up. That’s the hypocrisy.
And yet the entire geriatric GOP remain silent. This act shows what side they are on.
Job security over your country.
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Trump's daughter and son-in-law are doing what he predicated his entire 2016 campaign against Hillary on...really? Wait until he finds out. I bet he along with the entire Republican establishment will deem such action puts our country at risk. Trump, McConnell and the rest of the silly hypocritical Republican Party will be livid once they unravel this outrage.
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What were these two thinking?! Forget their arrogance and hypocrisy. These two are purportedly with-it successful New Yorkers. Don’t they realize that both their fathers’ indiscretions puts them under a microscope too? And considering their young age, they are not 60+ - so you would think they’d be more savvy about security limitations involving information technology. Using WhatsApp for sensitive political communication - so
hilarious !
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It is hypocritical of the NYTimes to make a big deal about Kushner's use of a private email account, but downplay Hillary Clinton, and other democrats, blatant disregard for proper official government business communication protocol. Let's no fool ourselves, unless the U.S. Congress enacts stronger laws and strict enforcement to prohibit the use of private email accounts to conduct U.S. Government official business, the abuse will continue by the likes of these self serving individuals, democrats or republicans alike.
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the silence of Republicans on this issue, and their eventual expected defense of these two on this issue, is so hypocritical yet so expected.
The attacks on Clinton for using a private server were legion, yet crickets chirping is the only sound from republicans now that the children of Tsar Trump are doing the same or possibly worse. At least Clinton was using a private server, these clowns are using services like AOL and Whats App.
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Imagine the Republican outrage if Clinton had won and put Chelsea and her husband in critical White House positions.
Imagine the hearings taking place about the Clinton Foundation, the emails, Benghazi, etc.
I realize that politician and hypocrite are often the same creature but Republicans take it to a new level.
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"The chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee revealed information on Thursday that he said showed Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner used private messaging services for official White House business in a way that may have violated federal records laws."
This only works against Hillary.
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When does the chanting begin at Trump rallies to lock them up?
I mean, it is only fair and rational, so I'm sure that is what will happen.
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Can we assume that since 2016 there has been an increase in popularity of Russian language learning programs in the U.S.? The takeover of our Democracy by Putin seems well planned, imminent.
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Are the corporate dems going to hold the Trump Administration accountable for anything, and if so, when?
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Should we really be surprised that this story of utter hypocrisy will have zero traction?
Donald Trump is still berating Senator McCain, a man who died seven months ago. No moral outrage in the senate. A few pearls clutched perhaps, but fear of being “primaried” shuts them all up.
The country has truly become inured to this catastrophically destructive Administration.
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Of course they did. And this is a surprise to......who?
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This does not matter if their name is not Clinton.
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When it came to Hillary Clinton, trump supporters chanted “lock her up, lock her up”, but Jared Kushner and Ivanka can actually break the law by using private phones and emails to do government business, and no one cares. A pack of criminals are running this country and getting away with it.
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@BB
The trumps and kushners are a family of grifters. They are rotten to the core and the republicans are in lockstep with dear leader. Standing silent while these people are doing much worse than the Clinton's ever did. All I can say is beware Karma to those that stand silently by while our country is being sold out from under us.
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What more are the obstructionist Republcans concealing?
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What difference does it make? They're above the law. Even if they broke all the federal laws you could name daddy would just pardon them and they would face no consequences.
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America is not one of Trump's family businesses.
Trump does not get to run it like it is.
Jared, Ivanka and Trump are not working for them selves.
They are all employees of the U.S government and they work for us, We The People.
Rules, laws and regulations must be followed.
Trump and his family members do not get to decide which practices they follow and those they will ignore.
They cannot hide their actions behind NDAs like they always have.
Cummings is correct, doing the real oversight that Paul Ryan was unwilling to do.
Mitch McConnell is willfully complicit in every action of the Trump White House.
Republicans turn a blind eye to actions they would be raising the rooftops over if done by Democrats.
Vote out every Republican in 2020, and then prosecute the Trumps and Kushner to the fullest extent allowed by our laws.
The GOP has become the party of liars and con men.
593 days to till the 2020 election when We the People will right this wrong.
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Merely the most recent of the antics of these two that have "violated federal records laws"?
WHEN will they be removed from any and all "official" roles? For which neither one has a single shred of qualification! And from which they both are profiting big-time!
Utter hypocrisy, and blatant criminality, thy name is Trump! And the Republicans!
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And where is the investigation?
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What would one expect from 2 phony "government officials" with mail order security clearances?
Look, they have business to conduct, foreign powers to get on board with their enterprises, bills to pay. Give 'em a break.
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Using a private messaging service is probably appropriate if 90% of what they are doing is for their private benefit.
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It is rather ironic that "K. T. McFarland had used a personal AOL account for official business while she served as deputy national security adviser". Using AOL e-mail violates national security policies and is a critical security exposure; the deputy national security adviser is responsible for setting national security policies and closing security exposures. All
federal employees and contractor workers must complete
security training as a condition of employment. This training (taken immediately upon employment) clearly mandates the use of federal e-mail systems that send mail over secure, federal networks isolated from the Internet; use of public e-mail systems is banned. AOL e-mail is not encrypted and runs over the public Internet. On the Internet, it is not difficult to intercept and read the contents of AOL e-mail (or hotmail, yahoo mail, or any other SMTP mail). For our nation's security, it is fortunate the McFarland is no longer the deputy national security adviser.
By the way, as federal employees, Jared and Ivanka would have been required to have taken this security training immediately upon employment. Violating these security policies can result in penalties and/or loss of your employment.
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I wonder if there is a law that the Kushner's haven't broken. But, nothing ever results from their actions. Nothing changes.
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@SIM
How about the laws of grammar?
It's "Kushners," not "Kushner's"
If they violated federal laws they should be arrested & prosecuted like any other citizen that breaks federal law. Period.
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The apples don’t fall far from their Daddy’s trees. The worst thing is that we are rendered numb to their repeated outrageous acts. We must shake free of the the paralysis they are hoping we experience.
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Why would these two be using private email accounts in contravention of the law unless they were hiding activities otherwise exposed? I just finished reading Don Winslow's magnificent masterpiece "The Border," and a VERY thinly disguised Jared Kushner becomes a central figure for knowingly taking heroin money through thinly disguised banks, for a very big building on Park Street. I believe Winslow, in an extremely courageous literary move, along with a equally courageous publisher, implicates Kushner in a criminal conspiracy because he knows it's based in fact--and that if Kushner sues for liable, Kushner will be forced to testify under oath. Which is why Kushner hasn't sued. This son-in-law of our most historically corrupt president is up to his neck in financial crimes that lead back directly to fentanyl-laced heroin in American communities, says Mr Winslow, with the criminal support of international banks, and I do not doubt for an instant that this is utterly true. Kushner and his wife may be protected under the current administration, but when Trump is no longer president, he will not be protected. It is reasonable to expect, if justice prevails, that Jared Kushner will go to prison. And I will do a private little jig of joy that day.
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The Trumps, including Jared who is part of this Trump corruptive family, do not believe rules are for them. We are aware that Jared had to update his federal financial disclosure form 40 times before he got it right.
And, we know that Donald Trump overruled concerns of security officials and his own White House counsel and ordered that a top-secret security clearance be given to Jared Kushner.
The fact that Jared uses a private email account and an unofficial messaging service is very troubling. He also had been pushing back channel communications with the Saudi's, Russia and who else? The Donald does not run a tight ship, his approach to our security is a joke.
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Haven't we learned by now that laws, rules, integrity, honesty, etc, apply to all of us except not to Trump and his immediate family?
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Where are the Republicans, both in Congress and in the hinterlands, who excoriated Hillary for doing the exact same thing? I mean, in terms of doing shady business deals involving emailing foreign governments, would Javanka or Hillary be the more likely actor? Democrats, let's take a cue from the Republicans and start staging some "lock them up" rallies around the country, to see if that can catch on. It worked before.
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Lock'em up.
I'm sure it has been said, but it bears repeating. Over and over.
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It has been reported that Trump uses his unsecure cell phone to discus national and international matters with members of Mar-a-Lago, saying that the secure White House phones are "inconvenient." Security experts say that every word Trump says on his cell phone is being listened to by Russia. Why is this okay?
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Mr. Lowell has a conflict of interest in being the lawyer for both of them.
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You can't make this stuff up. Jared Kushner (who didn't qualify for a security clearance on his own) using What's App for diplomatic communications? Ivanka using a private email server after Hillary? Trump using a personal phone repeatedly after being told not to because anyone can listen in? After all this, Lindsey Graham thinks they should investigate Hillary's emails some more? Who wants to bet that Kushner's using What's App to try and enrich himself. The amount of nepotism, corruption, and ineptitude of this administration is beyond insane, though we have that too with narcissistic personality disorder. I imagine anyone else with that level of security clearance doing those things after being told not to would be spending time at Ft. Leavenworth. Yet they yell lock her up.
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Very simple, as trump carried on about Hillary Clinton,
"lock her up". Unless of course rules and protocol don't apply to Ivanka.
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@Sari It didn't apply to Clinton. She's free, thank you.
So, who owns these mail servers?
Not the Trumps.
An independent third party that retains backups.
One that if issued a warrant is obligated to turn over the backups.
The problem isn't private email accounts, the problem is private email SERVERS with no oversight or accountability
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@don
There is no law that requires email services to keep backups of deleted email. Many do, but many don't (in the EU, it may even be illegal for them to keep deleted email). Why do you assume that the Trumps would ever use a service that keeps backups of deleted email? The most likely reason that they use a private email service is exactly what this article implies: that they have things to hide.
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@don
Who owns the servers is exactly the point, and it's not the government. They should be using government servers to conduct the nation's business. They can't say they didn't know that, they have been there 2 years now. Not only that, but there is a pattern here, remember Jared went out of his way to "unofficially" communicate with the Russians right before the inauguration. Remember that story? The official explanation then was naivete. There is no reasonable explanation for not using government channels and communications assets to communicate, that's what they are for. If Hillary warranted calls to "lock her up", why not Jared and Ivanka? Just saying...
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@don the problem is BOTH
The Trump and Kushner families, and their colleagues, have decades of dynastic practise at getting around the law. They obviously intend to keep on using those well- honed skills now, just as they always have. Overcoming these people will be exhausting and require huge resources which belong to the citizens of the USA and could be better used for schools, roads, healthcare, things that make life better for average Americans. Every American should be enraged and do something. But what I am not sure. That is what they rely on.
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@Robin Except there are a lot of very ambitious lawyers ready to do battle. As private citizens it was fairly easy to skirt the rules but as government officials it's an entirely different arena.The Trump presidency might end up doing more to stop corruption than anyone imagined as these investigations go far and wide.
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If Clinton does it, it's a grave national security risk that should be investigated by 12 different Republican committees over the course of five years, and it should cost her the election.
When Republicans do the same thing? It's cute.
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@Chicago Guy--Exactly right. Hillary Clinton was trashed endlessly by Republicans for using a private email system. My guess is that those same Republicans will be dead silent about Kushners doing the same thing.
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@Chicago Guy Agree except Clinton lost because she was horrible, pro war, pro wall street and anti single payer. Get over it already.
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She won the most votes. In most countries, that’s called winning.
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I remember when Trump supporters loved Trump for his "call it how it is" and "shoot from the hip" attitude. Trump was apparently a man of the people who spoke like they did, who didn't resort to traditional political doublespeak, nor forcing his audience and analysts to read between the lines, or making them examine what he didn't say.
As I read this sentence...
"He argued that because Mr. Kushner took screenshots of the communications and sent them to his official White House account or the National Security Council, his client was not in violation of federal records laws."
... somehow, I sense that those same people are about to defend Trump on the grounds of nuance... the same nuance that they disparaged only a couple years ago.
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@Ben It is not a nuance, what is described is perfectly legal by government rules. You can screen shot things send the image to your federal account. You can use personal email and copy your federal account. All that is required is that you keep a public record of your official government business.
When you enter the realm of classified information, then things change. Sometimes you can send that encrypted over public channels, sometimes you are required to only used special internal channels.
@Marvin
1) Ivanka Trump's emails were only sent to her government account when she responded, so she's not following the rules.
2) We don't know whether all of Jared Kushner's emails were unclassified, his lawyer was asked and the response was "that's above my pay grade"
3) I've also read Ivanka Trump's attorney's response, and to that, I say:
Have you never read a story about the Trump family before in your entire life? They have a long history of lying and hypocrisy (case in point: THIS VERY ARTICLE YOU'RE COMMENTING ON RIGHT NOW. )
4) you're not addressing the underlying point, which is that Trump supporters will employ any tactic that they previously disparaged because "this is different" (it's not). I'm calling Trump supporters giant hypocrites.
Let me know if I can clarify anything.
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Unbelievable. I do not for a minute believe this is only feckless hypocrisy, though it is that too. I see corrupt intent written all over this. Cover-ups. Daily malfeasance. Even conspiracies criminal and treasonous. As reported here, Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Bannon, McFarland and others have all used WhatsApp (i.e., Facebook) and other non-official messaging services for official business. This leaves me speechless. After years of Republican partisan hack hearings about Sec. Clinton's email use. After Mr. Comey played a principal role in changing the election outcome based on the FBI's own findings of innocence on her part. WhatsApp (a division of Facebook) and those other services are simply not secure. We have no way of knowing whether or not Kushner et al. are keeping proper legal records. We do however already know one thing: they are as corrupt as the day is long.
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@Robert, re " We have no way of knowing whether or not Kushner et al. are keeping proper legal records."
Pretty sure we know. They are either too incompetent, or too corrupt, to keep any sort of "proper legal records".
I'll guess: incompetent first, corrupt second. OK, both.
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@Robert: I wonder if Jared and MBS planned Kashogghi's death on WhatsApp.
Our world is being ruined by these new digital 'wonders'
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@Robert
Here-here!
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Apparently, government protocols and procedures had been followed and respected until we arrived at the Trumps.
What has been laid bare is not simply that they defy protocol, but that there are no consequences for such defiance.
No rescinding of security clearances, no legal challenges, no losing your job, no monetary fine, no ongoing IT monitoring, no nothing. That seems to be the real problem.
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But her emails . . . this will make no difference to Trump's supporters. These are people who know and care so little about the foundations of this country, its constitution, and the way the government is supposed to work that they will doubtless congratulate the Trumps on this move to privatization. . . and then they will turn around and ask about her emails.
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Not every one is technologically gifted. A lot of people, once they learn how do do things one way, keep on doing those things in the way that they know.
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@MIKEinNYC
Not everyone has a team of tech underlings, but I bet Ivanka and Jared do.
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Doesn’t sound like a person who is in charge of peace in the Middle East. Sounds like a guy trying to do a real estate deal.
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@MIKEinNYC Please, Ivanka and Jared are young enough to know about this technology and to change to use government issued phones. That t hey may have been "more comfortable" using their own phones and non-government issued devices is no excuse when the law requires otherwise. After all, they made Hillary's use of a server that "may" have been more susceptible to hacking a centerpiece of the 2016 campaign, so one would think they would take this seriously and not flout the rules in this regard.
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While I appreciate the irony of this situation, at this point, the only news coverage I want to read about Jared and Ivanka relates to an indictment.
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Most of us aren't 'masterspies,' but it had always seems reasonable as to why US intelligence agencies would be so reluctant to certify the security clearances of this free wheeling, globe trotting pair, but now?
The average intelligent high schooler today has more discernment skills...whatsapp for secure info?
Doesn't their status come with a Top Security Clearance Course for Dummies?
I read the NYT editorial on the US 'deserving' a leader like Jacinda Ardern, however if we continue to stay by and watch our country implode maybe we already have 'what we deserve'.
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@Rosiepi---
No, many of us do not deserve what is happening.
Altho Clinton was not the best possible candidate, she was so far superior to Dumpf.
Forget that Russian Babe/Stein=a terrible stain on the Green party. (as environmentalists, we wonder why Stein has received NO scrutiny. She helped bring Dumpf into the WH.)
We go far back: questioning how this nation could have voted for Nixon, Reagan, Bush W....mindless/selfinterest.
Maybe we should not be a united country after all...our heart-felt values cannot be reconciled. One example: if a woman does not want to be pregnant, how can many people say it's OK to stuff the Supreme Court with "men" whose only qualification is to oppose abortion?
We simply cannot respect the values of people who want to force their restrictive ideas on other americans.
Dumpfsters are not our fellow americans.
The sooner we acknowledge this--the sooner we can create a homeplace for our values. We do not need to impose PC values on people who oppose them. Let them be.
Lincoln was wrong: he should have left the South secede. Self-determination is a major pillar of the Declaration Of Independence and of Our Constitution.
Progressives should not impose their values on Dumpsters.
I am deeply, deeply honored to be among the 10 million people whose first thought hearing this story was, "But her emails!" (Her=Ivanka).
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How can you be so bold and brazen as to do such a thing after the cry of "Lock her up" at Trump's 2016 campaign rallies over Hilary's use of a private email server. These people can no longer use the defense of "I did not know any better." They did and chose to break the law none the less. One can only describe this behavior as acting as if they are above the law.
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@Frank
It really is bizarre to even hear the Trump people chant it today, it perfect example of brainwashing.
These people in the Trump audience are no different than Moonies, or the followers of Jim Jones in Jonestown.
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Why isn't this above the fold, instead of buried several scrolls down on the internet version?
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Trump is the master of obfuscation. He will deny that Jared was so Hillary-like in his careless behavior. He will declare that the fake news media made the whole thing up aided by the Democrats. And finally if it did take place Jared was acting for the benefit of all Americans. This is not reality TV. Sadly this is reality.
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Funny how what was not a crime then for the Secretary of State is now so reprehensible. What a difference a couple of years makes. Or could it be the characters.
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@baba ganoush
It's reprehensible now because Trump and his minions made it seem like the crime of the century that Clinton didn't have her private server adequately secured. Now after all that fallout, his kids are STILL using unsecured accounts.
THAT'S the problem.
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While the State Department had record retention requirements (the entire investigation was whether the deleted emails were indeed personal emails; no evidence has shown otherwise), but the State Department was not required to use government servers.
The White House has both retention requirement and a requirement that work-related correspondence be done over government servers. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump are neither properly retaining records nor using government servers.
Not the same thing at all.
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@baba ganoush
Ok, it's called hypocrisy, maybe. But after how many investigations, Clinton was charged with what? Bumpkus.
Let Jared and Ivanka stand before Congress for similar scrutiny and we'll talk then.
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And where is Donald now? Where is the chant of "Lock them up"? Why is it different when his daughter and son-in-law do what Clinton did? Or, to be more accurate, why is it okay for them to do it but a campaign issue when Clinton did it?
Something is more than just rotten here. This reeks of nepotism, favoritism, and more. Where is the demand from the Red Queen? Why isn't Donald up there tweeting about how the rules are for everyone? Oh, they aren't. Rich powerful people like him and his family don't have to obey the rules. Deregulation is the only rule for them.
Jared and Ivanka should be removed from the White House post haste. They should not be allowed to do any work on behalf of Donald or the country. They cannot be trusted, period. If Donald cannot control his daughter and son-in-law the FBI, CIA, and Department of Justice should. And they should be charged accordingly. This country's safety is worth more than their advice to Donald.
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In the same way that Mr. Trump has no shame about not paying his bills, being unfaithful to his wives, and disloyal to his friends and employees, he also is immune to following ethical practices.
He has chosen not the best nor the brightest to grace the administration, but rather those who can outlast his bombast and rudeness. He has chosen relatives and cronies rather than experts.
How can we be surprised when they, too, do not follow the rules? That's exactly why he has chosen them.
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With each new terror from this terrorist organization frighteningly occupying the executive branch of our beloved country, spilling forth from "the enemy of the people" the legitimate press, we see the horrifying dangers our democratic republic confronts. I knew I loved my country but these threats to its very existence have increased the passion to restore its full integrity and see these awful people banished from its shores. Please Lord, let it be.
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Golly,
were those charming republicans chanting about Jared and Ivanka,
when they screamed, "lock her up",
for emailing violations?
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Another example of a Trump family that has neither suffered the consequences of - nor been held responsible for - their own actions in their entire spoiled lives.
At least not yet.
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Two days ago Charles Kushner wrote an opinion column in the WaPo, clearly not a right wing paper.
Every, Every, Every comment destroyed this guy character, reputation.
Clearly this family isn’t thought very highly of in America.
If I was Charles Kushner and family I’d be thinking of plan B right about now.
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Kushner using WhatsApp to message diplomatic contacts abroad. The guy has trouble getting security clearance and he *still* breaks the law.
You really couldn't make this stuff up.
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The situation with I and and j has really gone too far. It's not embarrassing, it's scary. They do not belong on staff at the White House, feeding at the public trough!
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It would be news if Jared and Ivanka did not use private accounts for "official" business.
Does anyone else recall the Trump fans' anger and diatribe to "Lock Her Up!" Yeah, didn't think so.
Make It Stop. Please.
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Republicans are masters at stoking outrage among the True Believers. Fox, talk radio and the internet have allowed a significant segment of the population to become “Ditto Heads” as Rush used to lovingly call his listeners. Millions of these people are ready to take orders from their leaders about what to be outraged about and what to do about it.
Kind of in lockstep.
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This is not new. It was reported quite a while ago. And yet . . .
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Let’s get to the root of the problem here. Why were Javanka even allowed to step foot in the WH or been given official capacities in the first place? Why didn’t Congress stop them? It smacks of blatant nepotism which I believe is still illegal and in total violation of ethical codes. No this is not a dynasty, even the Windsors know better than to hire every inbred cousin to Cabinet positions.
And yes they are obviously trading favors for money and access. Since they are using private emails I’m pretty sure they are leaving a paper trail of their crimes.
There needs to be outrage now and protests chanting Lock Them Up every day outside the WH until the Trump infestation is eradicated from DC.
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Of course, this couple is obviously beyond rules of any sort, it just isn't "who or what the are!" - They are beyond rules, regulations or reality...
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when will this sham administration end? may all the enablers inside and out, legislators and officials who sit by idly as this desecration of all that is good in America be forever haunted in shame and disgrace once this nightmare ends. and may we do our utmost as patriotic citizens to bring it to an end by legit means as quickly as possible. If this goes on beyond 2020, I see absolute unrest and revolt in the cards.
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How nice it must be to live above the law without fear nor concern. And isn't that what made trump supporters so angry? The swamp and all? It's all so... evangelitical.
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@ALnKY: The Evangelicals have gone over the cliff. They are worshiping Trump as the golden calf. Idolatry. No matter how they rationalize it - and we even have our Secretary of State agreeing that God 'sent' Trump - it is idolatry. Their god must not be happy. I wouldn't be if I were Her.
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Let's get the witch hunt into high gear--these folks are a clear and present danger to the national interest.
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I eagerly await the chants of "Lock Javanka Up" at Trump's upcoming rallies.
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Nothing says national security like Jared and Ivanka talking to world leaders on WhatsApp (a division of Facebook).
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@Robert: Nothing says security like the president of the United States using unsecured cell phones and all he does is chat with 'friends'. What Intelligence Service in the world doesn't know absolutely everything this fool is blathering on about every single day?
He's not keeping us safe. He's not holding to his oath to the Constitution. And neither are his enabler Republicans.
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@Robert, I am still freaked out that "world leaders" are willing to answer WhatsApp messages from Javanka. And how anyone who has kids can think a Facebook product is "secure" enough for international official business, when it isn't even secure for teenagers sexting! OMG, maybe that's what they were really doing?
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It's truly stunning an entire family can be so full of ignorance, arrogance, be so obtuse they have no conception of the disgust and distain the majority of people have towards them. What kind of people observe the increasing dementia of their Father and turn him loose to tarnish the family name and degrade the nation on a global stage?
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@rhdelp, more stunning: that fewer than 50% of the voters who bothered to vote, got 'lil DJ Trump elected to be president.
It's also amusing when people call Trump "the leader of the free world" or "the most important / influential leader in the world".
He is neither of those. He's an incompetent man, who somehow ascended to a role for which he is unqualified.
Or, perhaps, he descended to this role, on his silly little gilded escalator.
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The divine right of kings is alive and flourishing. The king and the members of his royal family can do no wrong for they are bound by no law. They are guided by no moral compass. They are entitled to be vindictive, petty, selfish, foolish, arrogant, and ignorant. Just observe them. Just listen to them.
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@Donald Seberger
The divine right of kings often led to the abbreviation of bad king's reigns --- and their bodies.
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Wow, NYT. Had this been Hillary, it would have been a 72-pt headline with a subhead about how the private email accounts were used to arrange passing nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia. And for every day afterword, for at least 600 days, the same story would have been regurgitated. Of course in Hillary's case, there is zero evidence she sent anything that was urgently secret, such as nuclear tech, nor that her private email account was ever hacked.
The double standard is never more clear than in this particular case.
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@raph101
You wrote the truth.
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Didn’t we already learn this like a year ago? This is like Memento. I guess i need to get my post-its to see what else we’ll learn next week...again.
Deplorable.
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@DREU Or, 'Inception.' Or, 'Groundhog Day.' Though one remains concerned about an ending similar to the one in 'Fight Club.'
Screenshots! Are they kidding? Oh yeah, we trust that!
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@Pinner Blinn
Especially from the guy who had to "correct" his federal disclosure forms at least 40 times.
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How much hypocrisy is it possible to have in one administration?
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@BB
And how about 95% of the GOP?
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The only reason they are communicating on WhatsApp is they are communicating information they should not or with persons they should not.
Probably both.
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The ultimate crime that they themselves say people should be locked up for.
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@Timbuk: No, not 'people'. 'Hillary'.
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By now the Russians and Chinese know everything these two have communicated. Reckless children.
A modern day Boris and Natash!
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Of all the clueless actions expected from Trump inc., this is really just par for the course...pun intended. When arrogance is the administration's trademark, all critical thinking is pushed into the abyss, this type of issue will continue. Recovery will be difficult since the extent of the damage is unknown.
The countries out in the ether that mine US data are likely laughing at the abject stupidity.
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Just follow the money.......... and off to jail they will go.
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So - here we go AGAIN on another vapor trail.
Beginning with "used private messaging services for Official White House business in a way that 'may have violated' federal records laws."
The Kushners and the Trumps have done NOTHING BUT violate federal laws in every way every step of the way.
But they still operate. WHY?
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@annpatricia23
"But they still operate. WHY?"
Because the Republicans in Congress and Republican donors prefer power to democracy
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Exactly! We read stories like this every day, but nothing changes.
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Trump and his family view themselves as above the law. And so far they are getting away with it. They not only believe it, they behave accordingly. Our system offers the greatest protections for the office of president, but we forgot that our system also will let anyone run for that office and win with little or no vetting.
Jared and Ivanka will continue skirting our laws knowing full well that daddy will protect them with a pardon if necessary.
What, me worry?
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Paul: I just hope NY State can make something stick and that the Donald gets sent to Dannemora (aka Little Siberia)...
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The people need and should vote these scoundrels out, but the whole of this group of criminals in the White House needs to be thrown out immediately as they are dangerous to us and the rest of the world. In Yemen as in New Zealand, the children in cages separated from their parents with lawsuits our children's children will be witness to. These pirates have got to go and the only person standing in the way is Mitch McConnell.
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@Guy Walker
Lock him up too, while you're at it.
And pour me a Grants as well.
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I’m sure the FBI will investigate and hold a press conference to share their findings...oh wait. Disgraceful.
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And now we know why Jared and Ivanka were refused security clearances - they actually are security risks. So nice to have Daddy insist on letting the kiddies have the shiniest toys to play with! So they can pretend to be just like the grown-ups!
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I wondering when do these two self-dealing misfits get their security clearances pulled, one's they should have never been given in the first place and escorted off of the Whitehouse grounds.
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The actual experts in multiple security agencies made recommendations that neither Jared nor Ivanka be given security clearances. But, Individual 1 crushed that recommendation and demanded the clearances be given. Priceless.
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@sarah
We know that when our security agencies recommend that someone should receive top secret clearance, then they shouldn't be receiving top secret clearance. And at every level, they were denying them top secret clearance until Trump himself said, just give it to them.
Thus, yes we do know they shouldn't be receiving those clearances.
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@sarah
Umm......I worked in the DOD for 32 years and can tell you has someone who had the highest level of Top Secret and Compartmentalized Clearances, that no one I worked with in the Federal Government would have ever received a clearance for lying during the vetting process once, never mind the umpteen time Jared Kushner has been caught lying, they would have been fired, just as these two losers should be fired at a minimum.
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My bet - these two damaged infants have fed national security information to our adversaries through their personal email accounts. All that would take is giving Russia or China the account passwords and they could claim plausible denial.
Trump knows all this, especially since his crucifixion of Hillary centered around her use of a private email server (investigation of which showed no leaks and no intention of doing so). Jared and Ivanka, the nepotistic newbies, consciously did this knowing it was a violation of national security. They should be prosecuted accordingly and have all security clearances immediately removed forever. Little can be done in jail anyway without a cell phone.
DELIBERATE violation of National Security protocol. So is Trump's personal cell phone. Oh to be a fly on that criminal wall!
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Who are the fools here?
Why do these egregious displays of abuse continue? Maybe Cummings can do something but truthfully the time is running out.
I don’t know what the endgame is here—is it to weaken this administration and hope that voters who held their nose to vote last time won’t make the same mistake again? Or do the Democrats have a plan to definitively WIN the next election, can it be done?
We won’t let Wisconsin happen again but will we do any better this time around?
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They really don’t care what you think of them- do you?
The Kushners use private email because none of their efforts are on behalf of the government or the people of the United States. They are there to take the spoils of her father’s election
I hope they are in court and jail forever
May they never have a day of peace
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@Deirdre
Use up all there stolen gotten gains for legal fees.
Hope the next ten years give them no peace at all.
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To compare to what Hillary did is incorrect. You may use private communications for federal business if you 1) keep a record of what you send and 2) do not transmit classified information that is not properly encrypted.
Hillary set up her own SERVER that stored classified materials in plain text on a vulnerable network network. As well as sending out classified information encrypted. HUGE difference.
The issue was not that Hillary used this setup, it is that it was used for classified information.
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@Marvin
In real life, her emails where secured by a TLS certificate, except for her very first two months in office. After that, she only send encrypted emails.
And setting up your own server wasn't new at all: DOZENS of senior White House officials under G.W. Bush had done the exact same thing. It's also NOT illegal, remember?
What is different here is that the chairman of the House committed believes that the WAY Kushner and his wife are using private messaging services fo official business may violate federal record laws.
Remember that after two years of GOP and FBI investigations, it has been concluded that Hillary did NOT do anything illegal.
Trump called her "crooked" anyhow, and wanted his supporters to chant "lock her up".
So can you please at least explain how Ivanka and her husband doing the exact same thing now should NOT deserve any "lock them up" chants?
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@Marvin How was Hillary's set-up -- which she consulted her two predecessors about, in hopes of doing it correctly, and which was protected -- worse than these greedhead yahoos sending out info about nuclear issues from their home server to at least one nation, Saudi Arabia, that grew the 9/11 terrorists? No doubt China is benefiting handsomely from this breathtaking carelessness, too.
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@Marvin, Jared and Ivanka are sending and receiving emails through their own family domain name. I do not know whether they host the email server themselves or outsource it, but it's fantastically insecure either way. And Jared is undoubtedly sending classified materials -- remember, this is the guy who wanted to talk to Moscow from inside the Russian Embassy to keep his fellow Americans from learning about his treachery and self-dealing.
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If they do not keep records of these official communications, this is a likely violation of the Federal Records Act. Regular civilian employees of the government have actually gone to prison for destroying Federal records.
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I sincerely hope that Mr. Cummings has dotted his i's and crossed his t's on this one.
He has a sterling reputation for honesty and thoroughness and his chairing of the Cohen hearing was a model of fairness.
The last thing the Dems need is the appearance or actuality of being accurately accused of conducting witch hunts.
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Why must we keep waiting, waiting, waiting? Why give them until April 4? Then what-- another extension? Use the subpoenas. Lock them up.
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We focus too much on the miscreants, and too little on their supporters and enablers.
No one (or just a soulless few) directly supports the greedy crew in the executive office.
Everyone else supports Trump and company because he is advancing their agenda.
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Gosh,the ghost of Leona Helmsley appears! She said "Only little people pay taxes."Jared and Ivanka must believe "Only little people follow the rules." Since they obviously share the same attitude hers, let's hope they share the same fate.
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Can this get any worse? And it's all out in plain view, every day, for two years and counting with no accountability. Here in New York for decades it's what you heard whispered about with these characters on the fringes of the real estate world, the gossip columns, their ill gotten wealth, but now as the leader of the free world? When the top justice and law enforcement executive in the land and his family are in on the illegality, with a willing partner in the Senate and possibly Supreme Court, the possibility of correction, justice, or remedy appears increasingly remote and fading. Four more years of this tragedy on the global stage, it's a distinct very real and depressing possibility.
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@A.L., I doubt that many people consider Donald Trump to be " the leader of the free world".
Ok, his "base" fans think that.
If I had tried that stunt the Security Officer would have had my credentials and I'd be out of a job.
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Again, and again and again.....this is on the GOP.
Anything foul you can say about Kushner or Ivanka Trump is enabled by Republicans. Republicans are imploding democratic norms as they have have always really wanted to.
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Trump, of course, uses his private Twitter account all the time - his handle predates his presidency. I am sure that someone in IT has done their best to make it secure: but isn't that a violation in the 'crooked Hillary' sense? If he deletes a tweet, is that a violation of federal regulations? Enquiring minds want to know . .
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A very real byproduct of the Trump Family's lack of integrity is that I, for one American, believe Ivanka and Jared, as well as the president himself, are engaged every day in activities that are not only corrupt, but probably illegal and definitely bad for our country. Every day that goes by with that gang in the White House makes the situation incrementally worse.
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Everyone who ranted and railed about Hillary's email server in these comments please feel free to express your views now about Jared and Ivanka's security practices.
Recall (when crafting your responses) how Republicans were in a frenzy trying to find emails that Hillary sent that were marked confidential (after the fact). Now we have Jared, best friends with the Saudi Prince, doing business deals to unload his real estate to foreign powers (in return for what?), communicating on the same non-secure public apps that you and I do. Jared, whose father-in-law demanded he get top security clearance in defiance of professional advice, engaging in hackable conversations with foreign leaders.
Our Republican senators and representatives don't even bother to look embarrassed. They should be horrified.
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This kind of conduct would have never been tolerated in any other administration.
How quaint it seems now, when the staunch Republican's who were so concerned about accountability and security (hypocrites) were howling about Hillary Clinton and her server.
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@Chico
We need to run great democrats against these tired GOP so we have a movement to move the country forward and away from this corruption.
LOCK THEM UP!
Oh wait, standard GOP strategy is actually the opposite: blame your opponents of X, whether true or false (most of the time it's entirely false - remember death panels) and then once you get to power, do exactly the same, hoping that your own voters will be cynical enough to not ask you to keep your promises and to instead fully accept that you behave as badly (or worse, in the case of false accusations) as what you criticized your opponent for.
So great.
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Not surprising they've failed the shoe on the other foot test.
Lock them up?
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they should provide times and dates of Kushner private messages to MBS in case he provided cover during Khashoggi assassination. Also for dates before China approved Trump trademarks, etc. The Jivanka electronic trail will show a surge in their business interests. Such a very dirty digital footprint.
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What--engaging in the same behavior that Hillary had? After "lock her up" was a routine Trump campaign chant?
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@Jean. Where is Flynn when you need him?
Wait a minute....we learned MONTHS ago that Jared Kushner & Ivanka Trump had been caught red-handed using their personal email while conducting official business! Yet their lawyer just admitted that they are STILL engaged in the same (or even more) behavior that’s ikely violating federal law?!?!
Jaren & Ivanka’s blatant prior hypocrisy — embarrassingly exposed by the media, and mercilessly mocked by late-night comedians at the time — clearly was insufficient to shame the two of them (and others in the administration, I’m sure) to change their ways. That doesn’t surprise me, given who they are, and who they work for.
But I’m angered and frustrated that — after the prior public disclosure of their use of personal email for official government business — apparently NOBODY within the Trump Administration (e.g,, W.H. Counsel, FBI, DOJ, OGE, etc.) felt sufficiently empowered to actually do something to make sure that Jared & Ivanka changed their behavior going forward (i.e., to make sure that they actually follow the law!)
This all demonstrates Jared & Ivanka’s lack of respect for the law, but this story is also perfect example of how anti-nepotism rules should be strictly enforced — since nobody would be willing to take any sort of action (despite the public violations of federal law) if it means going against Trump’s family members who work in the White House, since they would face the certain wrath of the petty and vindictive Trump.
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I assume this will be front page news every day between now and the election in 2020. Private email use was a huge story in 2016 even though Secretary Clinton wasn't even in the White House at the time – I can only assume that given the Times' longstanding interest in these issues we'll see a steady drumbeat of reporting including many months of front page stories and skeptical questioning from journalists.
In all seriousness this is an excellent opportunity to find out how gendered the coverage of Secretary Clinton was, and to see if the Times has learned its lesson about the need for 'balance' in its reporting, even where none actually exists. The Trump administration commits crimes at such an impressive clip that it must be difficult to prioritize, but with this story we have a perfect 1:1 opportunity to compare how doggedly the Times pursues this story.
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@Andrew Thank you. I had to scroll very far down the page to find this article - no photos and headline above the fold as was the case for HRC. Why is this not equally newsworthy?
Official business? They shouldn't even be there, and shouldn't be conducting any negotiations on behalf of the country. I guess their using it to further their own interests. WhatsApp is not as secure as people think.
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The Trups, Manafort, Stone, etc live by the creed: watch what I can get away with. This can only happen when the power structure allows or enables it...
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Are there bigger hypocrites than the Trumps and Kushners ?
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@dj Sure there are. The evangelical "Christians" who voted for them. (In my opinion they voted for the daughter and son-in-law, in that they should have known this type of thing would happen.)
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@dj
No, not bigger, but many "good friends" equally criminal and hypocritical.
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@djNope. None I can think of.
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The arrogance, ignorance, and hypocrisy of the Kushners and many White House staffers, is seemingly endless.
They are a perfect example of the entitled believing that because they possess wealth and power "they know," and the rules - and our laws - don't apply to them.
Unless we stop allowing this, it will be the downfall of our society and our democracy.
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Too late. This is all happening after the downfall.
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@Kelly Grace Smith Might want to wait until you find out they broke some laws. You can use personal devices for federal business, probably every congressperson has and does. The law is that you must keep those records and that you cannot of course transmit unencrypted classified information. What is described in the article that Kushner has done is not illegal.
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This is one of many examples of why the U.S. is loosing credibility to the eyes of most foreign nations. It was a scandal when Hillary did something similar, and now it’s completely fine when Javanka does. Isn’t anybody in charge of objectively regulating these matters inside the WH’s staff?
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Does this sound familiar: "Lock them up! Lock them up!" Why aren't Trumpists screaming this now? Another case of the breathtaking mendacity of the Trump campaign in its condemnation of Ms. Clinton's use of personal email.
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The Trump supporters now know that Hillary will never be locked up for her misdeeds. They realize that the far lesser actions of Kushner and his wife will therefore be ignored. Perhaps however, a secret computer server of the Kushner will yet come to light.
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@Barry Well, because what is written here is not the same as what Hillary did. You are permitted to use other methods if you keep a record of what you send. That is what the screen shot mentioned in the article does.
So I could text on my normal phone, screen shot the text, send the text to my government account. No violation.
As for classified information, you can sometimes send it on non-federal accounts if you have encrypted it, again sending a copy to your government account. I have worked on projects where we were allowed to send secret information via Google Mail if we encrypted it a certain way.
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@Marvin - Oh do tell us all what projects these were! I'd love to chat with your security officer!
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If only we had laws regarding governmental communications and document retention.
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@Phobos As long as they keep records of what they send and the info is not classified they are permitted to use non-government communication mechanisms.
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@Phobos
You are, of course, kidding! They have broken every existing one and some that haven't even been passed yet.
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@Phobos if only those laws applied equally to Republicans and Democrats.
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At some companies with intellectual property, or sensitive financial information to protect, purposefully going around the security system to exchange information with god knows who, would be grounds for dismissal.
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If Ms. Ward's book is true - and her TV appearances so far have made her seem credible to me - we really do have a cancer in the White house and not a single grown-up in there to reign it in.
I'm not sure how over 100 "errors and omissions" on Kushner's security clearance forms didn't bring this situation to a head much sooner. Apparently being in close proximity to Mr. Trump can provide ample cover for criminality for a while.
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@Darrell The saddest thing about this era in our national life is that there's really no going back -- about 60% of us now know, beyond any doubt, that 40% of us aren't compatriots or fellow stewards of democracy. We have no shared values or commitments. Some of us can be bought and others of us led by a sleazy, race-baiting carnival barker like Trump. Doesn't exactly bode well for our national experiment, does it?
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Of course they did--at this point, it would be more efficient for the Oversight Committee to look for evidence that the couple has done anything *correctly* during their adventure in government.
Entitlement is bad enough in our divided society, but this sort of antibiotic-resistant entitlement, in which the parties involved are too ignorant to understand how little they deserve their free meals and airplane flights, may be more dangerous to the U.S. than even Mr. Trump.
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We are beyond satire.
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It seems so simple to me. If the president and White House have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong, why will they not release what is being asked for, speak to whomever is asking the questions timely etc. Inquiring minds want to know!!
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There has been and there is now a requirement for Congressional Committees to only use the the subpoena and warrant powers when dealing with the corrupt Administration. Republicans played hardball for years. Return the playbook. Fo two years the Democrats said they had no power. The Country gave the House the power of investigation and public hearings. Do your job.
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@Newman1979
FYI: for two years they had no power as "we the people" gave the House to the GOP, remember?
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@Ana Luisa I assume you meant 'we the gerrymander gave the house to the GOP'... Because like in the Pres race and the Senate races, they actual 'we the people' overwhelmingly voted for Democrats.
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I suggest that the ultimate democratic nominee focus on the unparalleled corruption of Donald and his criminal minions/spawn. Furthermore, let’s start asking every elected republican who ever expressed concern about Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server how this activity squares—are Jared and Ivanka in the clear or should we lock them up? Can Chris Christie lead us in a chant, guilty as charged?
Let’s get these hypocrites on the record and play it ad nauseum in the 2020 campaign. Right down the line from Donald to Mitch to all those cretins who whined “but her emails.”
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This about a guy who tried to get a secret communications backchannel set up with the Russians. Why he isn't already in prison for the rest of his life is beyond me. This man is the archetype of how justice is subservient to the rich and powerful. It is truly the Great American Tragedy.
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Jared Junior Jenius.
Do remember though folks Peaches actually Govern's by Tweet.
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Does anyone else remember that this paper reported some time ago that ivanka was using personal email for her father's government business. This paper also reported that ivanka's response was that she was unaware of this rule.
So apparently ivanka did not change ? Now we are told jared is doing this also. They blatantly break a v. significant rule & no one can make them stop--they are continuing to do this ? No security group has the authority to step in & make them stop ?
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@elizabeth forrest That is NOT the rule. The rule is that you have to keep a record. Taking a screen shot and saving it is perfectly fine. Using a personal account for business is perfectly fine. As long as you have a record that can be saved.
I could use a personal google account which saves all incoming and outgoing messages, at some point they must be saved officially in the federal realm (I am not aware of any time frame).
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How do we know they take screen shots of every communication? Why is Jared using What’s App to communicate with foreign entities? Why is he not using more conventional means? And why was he looking for a back donor communication channel to talk with Russians to purposely hide who he spoke with and what was being said?
They both need to be h ailed in front of Congress to explain all of this, pronto.
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@Marvin. I am sure that somebody in Congress or the media will be looking for records of those emails. And they will be unavilable. And they will be made unavailable by the DOJ or an order from Trump.
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Subpoena records for their personal accounts, castigate them endlessly for using their personal devices, and then "Lock them up!"
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Gee, wonder why Jared and Ivanka couldn't get security clearances.
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But, but her emails! Her emails! Lock her up because of her emails! Can we lock THEM up now?
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The level of shamelessness is just like nothing we have ever seen before in American political life.
Not only is there a disturbing lack of actual qualifications, multiplied by dishonesty (the bought placement at Harvard, the shakedowns of Qatar & China, the dozens of corrections to official security clearance disclosure forms), there's all this in-your-face insistence on dynastic immunity from any kind of accountability whatsoever.
They just make it all up as they go along.
Those suffering children being so cruelly maltreated at the border, to make this autocratic family feel... what exactly? Good about themselves? Strong? Secure? In charge of other nations?
Americans, what are you allowing to be done to America?
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@Maria Oh, Maria. If we could only. Several million of us did not vote for this nightmare, but here we are. Trust us, we wonder the same. (Instead of "Americans" we substitute "Republicans" because they watch and allow all this, with seemingly little accountability or responsibility.)
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We’re looking at you, Mitch McConnell!
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@Maria Ashot
He’s not so bad. He hasn’t started a war and he hasn’t committed a genocide. All in all, it’s been America’s reputation and the continued demise of the American middle class and bribery and collaboration with the Russians and Saudis and financial mischief.
White collar mobsters, open for business.
Not a single nuclear weapon has been launched.
Let’s count our blessings and keep our fingers crossed.
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This president and the Kushner family have Congressional Republicans and the country playing by their own rules. Americans have been had by this Russian mole.
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@silver vibes
And Kushner is a mole of Saudi Arabia.
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Bonnie and Clyde, but without any excuses or redeeming qualities.
Criminal, Clueless and Corrupt.
Period.
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@Phyliss Dalmatian. Bonnie and Clyde had more style.
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Lighten up.
Everyone knows that only Democrats are required to obey the law.
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@SKK Best comment all day!
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@SKK: And only Democrats are required to get us out of the financial disasters that the Republicans always create. Always.
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Ivanka and Jared have an “email” problem and elected republicans protect them and enable them.
Why is republican corruption, greed and money laundering ignored in this administration? The corruption along with the dismantlement of our agencies and institutions is the real crime. Every day this criminal family is allowed to commit their crimes is a day too long.
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Wait! When can we say “lock them up”? Now? Can we say “lock them up” now? How about now? I really, really want to say “lock them up”! I know that’s what you’re supposed to do when people in government use private email. Oh yes, and also “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to release their emails”. Lock them up! Lock them up! Oh, this is fun...
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I hadn’t realized these were the deplorables Clinton was referring to during her campaign, but the shoe certainly fits them, as it does so many cabinet members. Who knew?
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Oh wow! The Republicans in Congress are really going to rake Ivanka & Jared over the coals!
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Let's face it. We have spoiled, entitled, arrogant, incompetent adolescents running our government and using their positions to enrich themselves and their family business.
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@R. Anderson
Sir, You are referring to the entire Administration - from the top down - are you not?
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@R. Anderson I agree ! And no federal government security agency can stop them !
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@R. Anderson
To add to that Jared Kushner in addition to a private email account used WhatsApp (owned by Facebook) 'for official White House business, including with foreign contacts.'
Hey Jared, click on this link with your social security number to view a new mid east peace plan...
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The right thing to do would be to immediately- like in the next three minutes- suspend all IT and phone traffic to or from the WH and treat the situation for what it is: a possible compromise of highly sensitive information, possibly to foreign governments. If this were happening right now at the Pentagon, NSA, CIA or another credible agency, the doors would be locked and everyone inside would be being interrogated. And rightly so. This is beyond serious- it's a smoking gun.
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Does anyone really believe that Kushner, who was just bailed out of a billion dollar debt from a foolish real estate investment by Qatari banks, is keeping and reporting everything for the public record?
Kushner's father went to jail for fraud, and he married into a family who (according to the NY Times) earned their money fraudulently, but we're supposed to believe that now he is behaving in an honest and upright fashion?
I don't particularly care about the method of emailing. I care a great deal about its contents. Let's hope Mueller and the NY State Attorney General have access to all of them.
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@RVC. "Kushner's father went to jail for fraud . . ." and Charles K. has penned an op-ed in today's WaPo (sorry NYT - I don't mean to push a rival product on your dime but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do) in which he neglects to mention this. They say that memory fades as you age.
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@RVC I thought Pops Kushner went to jail for hiring a prostitute to have sex with his brother whom he then black mailed? Tree: see apple.
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I should be shocked by this, but I'm not. Not even a little bit. The hypocrisy is just par for the course now.
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Elect a clown and expect a circus, here are two more of the colorful characters on show under the big top.
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Why is it that the more we learn about this Administration, the worse it gets?
Not that anyone would, at this point, be surprised that it is getting worse.
We can all take some hyperbole with a grain of salt. However, the upper ranks of the Republican administration are so hypocritical that they are off the proverbial charts.
But you have to give them credit for their marketing and messaging prowess. And the progressives/liberals are nowhere in that league.
Partly that is because of the control and power exercised by the concentration of wealth. Partly that is because the progressives/liberals cling to higher ideals, like honesty.
Of course I am speaking in generalities, and their are exceptions all-round. But remember this:
The Republican Party is led by a man who goes beyond punching a man when he's down; he punches a man when he's dead.
We (broadly speaking) are in need of a great, great deal of luck if we are to escape this without a whole lot more damage being done.
Trump likes to break the mold, to claim that he is different. I hope he's right: enough different to be the first sitting President to be indicted, convicted, and jailed.
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But her emails...
How are these people still in charge?
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Take away their phones and laptops! No screen time for these adolescents.
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is this a surprise to anyone?
the surprise would be if they were found to doing anything legally!
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Just another example of Ivanka and Jared violating federal laws, nothing to see here, move along.
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Ok, let's see...
LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!
I think that's the phrase people use in those situations or was that just for someone else?
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Trump's disregard for anything he is required to do as president is a long standing practice of criminality.
It's really too bad we lost the senate in '14.
Now, I wonder if ANYONE can right this sinking ship.
If anyone EVER deserved to be impeached..........
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This frustrates me every time I see a news story of some federal, state or local official conducting the people's business on private email or unsecured apps. Its not difficult to understand what communications are for work and which are personal and using the appropriate accounts for each. Electronic communications for work (especially government work) just shouldn't be conducted on personal accounts as they don't belong to the individual they belong to one's employer. The question for any government official, whether Democrat, Republican or Independent, is what are you trying to hide? If the work you are doing is above board you shouldn't have any worries about people seeing it.
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@Mr. Walter, Many, many people carry two cell phones, one for work and one for their families and personal lives. It's not rocket science.
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Your false equivalency is amusing, as the point of the article (Republican/Conservative/Evangelical hypocrisy) remains unaddressed in your response
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@Charlie No; it's against the law
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Oh, for the love of God, I'd love to just start chanting "Lock them up!," but am just too exhausted.
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If Ms Trump, Trump’s daughter, or Kushner ever run for public office I’m sure that Democrats will complain loudly and often. I wonder if they also have secret computer servers at their homes.
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Fascinating hypocrisy. These two clearly do not believe that the rules apply to them. At all.
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This administration handing over documents is as likely as Mexico paying for the wall. They will ignore, stall, lie and claim ‘executive privilege’. Their corruption will continue to the end.
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