trump the casino owner is not playing with a full deck.....on top of being a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic....so he steals food off the table of the hungry ones.
When the march on Washington is scheduled......I will be there to support my sisters and brothers caught in this trumpian mess.
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The impact on the government workers and beyond is heartbreaking.
The whole shutdown seems to have the stench of Steven Miller behind the fabricated “crises”. Trump, Kristen Nilelen, Pence and others are actively lying with crazy numbers.
This madness must end!
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All free food and beverages should be stopped for all White House occupants and guests. All pay should be stopped for all “employees” inside the Oval Office, the US Congress and the US Supreme Court. And all health benefits should be cut off too. Trump should have to pay for the services of the US Secrete Service details assigned to protect him and his “family”.
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Pelosi and the new radicals in the House Democratic caucus have thrown Federal workers under the bus in order to stop border security. They ran on the slogan "Abolish ICE." That isn't border security.
Foreigners are more important to Pelosi and the Democrats than Americans who are Federal workers and Federal contractors.
It is now obvious to anyone who isn't in denial.
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Frank, please, this is at all Trump. Throwing America under the bus at the behest of Rush Limbaugh and others, just as he was prepared to sign the bipartisan agreement cleared by McConnell. His weak wishy-washy leadership(?) flips on who is speaking in his ear at the moment....The so-called caravans of death and destruction he used before the midterms to instill fear - got a resounding pushback by We The People. But his gut is still all seeing, and more powerful than facts, science and truth and he is now obsessed with his egomanical desire to win. Winning at all costs, at the real life costs of inflicting suffering on Americans is not negotiation or Leadership. imho.
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As a painter with over two decades of experience, the shutdown isn’t just politics. Over the years I’ve seen illegals take more than 50% of the work that me and other Americans used to do.
Here in NYC, we have 1.2 million illegals out of 8M people, so it’s no surprise. What the illegal and massive supply of competition means for me is that wages are illegally depressed and I have to work 2 hours more every day, time away from my daughters and wife.
Trump gets this. The elites don’t.
I pray Trump has the courage to hold out indefinitely until we get this wall. Walls have proven to work against migrant caravans - the one Israel built along its border with Egypt decreased illegal crossings by 99.998%.
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@Jay Holder No one is opposed to adequate border security, that is not what Trump is proposing. Why aren't the people that hire illegal immigrants held more responsible, instead of scapegoating poor migrants?
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@Jay Holder
1.2 million illegals in NYC? I highly doubt it. Where do you get these ridiculous numbers? There are many immigrants but most are legal.
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@Jay Holder
I hate to break it to you but Trump is one of the elites.
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The mean, miserable, malfunctioning mr. trump wants
to make as many people as miserable as possible.
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They have yet to miss a paycheck.
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Actually, today was our deadline for submitting time. So our scheduled pay is at least delayed at this point.
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@Jackson Did you read the article? Ms. Quintana, who works for a government contractor, hasn't gotten paid since the shutdown started.
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@Jackson
Except that for most, their previous paycheck is already gone, in the form of rent or mortgage and for groceries and bills that were due in the last two weeks. You know, those things that most people spend their money on.
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TRUMP knows you will just adjust and deal with it. He knows you support his wall thingie. The one Mexico was supposed to pay for.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to fund all of the departments beside DHS for the rest of the fiscal year, and then deal with the blatantly political demands or a wall or barrier or whatever?
Oh, silly me, I implied that Trump has the sense to do hat.
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it's amazing that something like a shutdown can happen in a so called democracy. Forcing people to work for free, similar to slave labour, at the behest of a narcissistic president/dictator.
The US is so critical of the systems in other countries, however, there are few countries in the world where the people would accept this situation without riots or demonstrations. the US is a failing society, and a clear example of why a democratic social economic model similar to those in most of Europe, is more voter friendly.
But, on the other hand, this is what the people voted for, even if elections are fixed by the republicans ( which would cause uproar in African countries but is apparently acceptable in the US).
The US needs to reflect on itself objectively and stop criticising other countries when theirs is a mess.
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@Pete - Hungarian government is trying to get its people to work and not get paid for mandatory overtime.
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@jahnay Compare Trump with Orban and shudder.
@jahnay And the Hungarians are in the streets protesting, unlike ours.
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These unfortunate people are learning what many citizens learned in the Great Recession. Unlike banks and many companies that were “too big to fail”, these government workers are too small to matter. But jobs are plentiful. I have seen starting wages advertised at $15 to $19 per hour, no experience needed, immediate employment. Non governmental workers who suffered through the recession got some sympathy but little else and certainly not jobs. Unemployed government workers should ask those people how they managed without a job.
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Trump hardly cares about the Julia Quintana's of the world, or anyone not in the top 1 percent. Think I'm exaggerating? Remember when he was appointing folks to his cabinet who all seemed to be multi-millionaires? After some blowback about his selection criteria he implied to nominate others would be to nominate "broke" people. That's the chasm that Trump Republicans yearn to have in this country, the HAVES and have nevers.
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As it concerns Ms Quintana, it is an undeserved hardship. However her full case is undisclosed on the income side whereas the dependent/ burden side is presented. Does her mother receive SS benefits of any sort ? , Does she receive any direct financial support for her granddaughter via federal aid or from the child’s mother ?
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Wealthy elites should have their bank accounts frozen as many underprivileged rely on government funding to pay their bills and eat.
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Let’s get the affected workers on with Democrats after Trump. Let’s hear how they don’t mind starving, are unable to get medical, are paying for childcare but not getting services just to support Trump. Trump blew off every attemp to negotiate DACA and immigration- just to wait and try to blame the Democrats. We have his number
/ sorry facts not fiction.
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I believe the overall economy, in confidence and sales , in certain pockets will feel and respond well before March. I mean, there must be some businesses and others that gain a good amount of business revenues from the now unpaid federal employees and adjacent contractors et al.
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@Will Eigo
So if they spend $30 per day that is $24,000,000 a day. In two weeks that $336,000,000. And we know they are spending way more than that if they are living paycheck to paycheck.
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I guess I understand and agree with you. The effect is, these people earn and spend money. If they work without pay, they cannot spend hence others are affected in their revenues and income and it is an undesirable domino effect on people who don’t need a wall.
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Trump is taking money out of the pockets American families and keeping food off the tables of children, as he creates his own drama to dissuade Americans that immigrants are a grave threat.
All this to distract from the release of Mueller's investigation.
His thuggish time is coming to an end.
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@Bocheball
persuade not dissuade.
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My heart truly aches for the thousands of hard working Americans who are now feeling the repercussions from the actions of a man with zero empathy and limited cognitive ability.
How unfortunate that far too many of us didn't possess the critical thinking skills required to recognize a genuine huckster when we had the chance two years ago to show him the door.
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Remember, Trump thought casinos in Atlantic City were a great idea and borrowed heavily to have one.This dandy idea went bankrupt and almost put him out of business.He thinks an expensive, ineffective wall is a dandy idea also. this time he will bankrupt the American taxpayers.That he is punishing Federal,employees to get his way is cruel and unconscionable.
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A modest proposal: When the federal government, or part of it, shuts down, and federal workers ('civil service' employees) go without pay because of this, all elected federal officials shall forfeit any salary for those days, without recovery. Also, any federal political appointees in the administration shall forfeit all salary during the period of the shutdown, without recover. So long as the federal government they are responsible for running is in whole or partially shut down, they are required to work, but without pay, and without recovery of missed salary.
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@Jim Brokaw
How about this instead since wealthy people could starve their opposition out. They lose 5% of there total assets per day. And in Trumps case since we don't know his assets he would have to be thrown in prison until all assets are investigated, found and costs recouped.
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The article is good-the faux populist headline is utterly misleading. This stress and suffering is all about politics and the politics of domination and fear practiced by the individual in the oval office.
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How long is it okay to hold 800,000 people’s paycheck hostage, over the false choice of opening the government or negotiating over the border, when both can occur simultaneously?
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We have a personal issue with the shutdown. Our son works for the census bureau and is furloughed. His wife works at a different business but doesn't make enough to keep them going without his additional income. If it weren't for us, and our ability to help him out if needed, he might lose his apartment and be unable to pay his bills. We're grateful we can do it, but being unable to take care of himself is emotionally devastating.
Just another story, one of many, to come out of this despicable situation.
This should never have happened. There has been no hard data given about imminent danger to America without this wall. It is a matter of pride for Trump that this is done as he promised. He wants it to go his way, regardless of the harm it brings to other people getting there. That's the way of the narcissist.
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What a useless job. Census bureau should be shut down permanently.
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What a cold thing to say
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@Mons
It appears you had a hard time translating from the original Russian.
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Ask Donald Trump to personally guarantee mortgages and rent payments,if he feels that he is justified.
But if I were offered money by him,in this manner I would turn him down, just like major banks have done
He is a poor credit risk.
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This article starts with "for some" and the truth is that it should say "for all" it's about bills and groceries.
The people who work for our government should not be pawns for the president's whims, they took a job in good faith and the government should be there for them.
Instead it's allowing them to be used as pawns for a crackpot who' paranoia is way overboard.
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