Khmer Rouge’s Slaughter in Cambodia Is Ruled a Genocide

Nov 15, 2018 · 29 comments
Cristobal (NYC)
Well, that didn't take too long for them to determine...
Cambodia Industry (Australia)
The “American bombardment” referred to here - but not explained - meant that the total tonnage of US bombs dropped on Cambodia was at least in the range of 500,000 tons, possibly far more, and either equalled or far exceeded the tonnages that the US dropped in the entire Pacific Theatre during World War Two (500,000 tons) and in the Korean War (454,000). In per capita terms, the bombing of Cambodia exceeded the Allied bombing of Germany and Japan, and the US bombing of North Vietnam (but not that of South Vietnam or possibly, Laos). Remember that Cambodia's land area is about 180,000 square kilometres – similar in size to the US state of Oklahoma, and half the size of Germany. This bombing campaign 'drove ordinary Cambodians into the arms of the Khmer Rouge, a group that seemed initially to have slim prospects of revolutionary success.' After every bombing the Khmer Rouge would 'take the people to see the craters, to see how big and deep the craters were, to see how the earth had been… Terrified and half crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told. It was because of their dissatisfaction with the bombing that they kept on co-operating with the Khmer Rouge, joining up with the Khmer Rouge, sending their children off to go with them… Sometimes the bombs fell and hit little children, and their fathers would be all for the Khmer Rouge.'
DJ (Yonkers)
Check out this 1980 headline to discover who supported the Pol Pot regime: U.S. to Support Pol Pot Regime For U.N. Seat - Washington Post Sep 16, 1980 · The United States will support the seating of Pol Pot's "democratic Kampuchea" regime in the United Nations again this year despite its abhorrent record on human rights, Secretary of State Edmund ... www.washingtonpost.comhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/09/16/us-to-support...
Naked In A Barrel (Miami Beach)
To avoid revised history as some of the writers here are committing, I would only remark that until Kissinger persuaded Nixon to invade Cambodia and Laos the Khmer Rouge was an army of fewer than a thousand that had been rummaging the jungle for more than a decade, convincing nobody of the urge to revolt and revolution. As a curious footnote however, Khieu Samphan studied at the Sorbonne under Sartre, persuading him that Mao was the economic philosopher to promote, rejecting Marx, Fidel and el Che, whom Sartre considered the truest human alive. Under Sartre’s tutelage Khieu read western philosophy and write a dissertation about agrarian revolutionary economics, in effect creating the model put to the test when he returned to Cambodia. The Critique of Dialectical Reason was Sartre’s refutation of his own Being and Nothingness in favor first of Marxism and then of Maoism, at least in part preparing the way for his support of Khieu’s argument that education is the enemy of the people. As with his imagined lives of both Flaubert and Genet, Sartre mythified Mao and by this confused art with life. He later apologized.
Vietnam Veteran (NYC)
There is a fantastic movie called "The Killing Fields", it is a true story of the carnage that the Khmer Rouge perpetrated on it's people. It is about a NYTs reporter (Sydney Schanberg) and Dith Pran, (a Cambodian journalist). I have watched it several times, I highly recommend it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087553/
macbeth (canada)
I was in Phnom Penh earlier this year. I visited the Killing Fields. Unlike Auschwitz, the site is still very raw, with every rainfall still exposing human remains. The most disturbing thing I saw, and there were many, was a tree where, our guide told us, children were murdered by being smashed against it. I will never forget.
Rick (LA)
I've been to the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum in Phnom Pehn. In August 1978, the Swede Gunnar Bergström, who was then president of the SKFA (Sweden-Kampuchea Friendship Association) as well as one of the Khmer Rouge's most ardent supporters, was the only Westerner allowed to visit Democratic Kampuchea together with three other Swedes. They also had dinner with Pol Pot. He reported back that everthing was A-OK .He was duped by Pol Pot, and the slaughter continued.
Jocke (Sweden)
@Rick was there earlier this year. Not a known part of the Swedish history and an absolute embarassment to me as a Swede. Interesting to see the similarities and differences compared to Vietnam. In addition, Gunnar Myrdahl understood already then that ”an omelette would mean breaking some eggs” but that this was necessary for the cause. Still today he refuses to admit that he understood the vastness of the genocide that took place. Embarrassing to say the least. Sweden, as the US, supported Pol Pot as the rightful leader of Cambodia and the only legal representative of Cambodia in the UN long after he fled the country.
maureen (el monte, ca)
It's notable that just like the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge was possessed by documenting all those they tortured and killed.
Easy Goer (Louisiana)
The closest comparison I can make to the Khmer Rouge are the Nazis. The main difference being, they went about genocide in a much more disarrayed manner. There is no justice (and can never be) for Pol Pot; their leader from 1963 to 1997; 34 years. He died a year later, peacefully in bed. It is outrageous Nuon Chea (age 92) and Khieu Samphan (age 87) are still breathing. I do not care what they are found guilty of today. Like people of Jewish heritage (of which I am), surviving relatives of the Spanish Civil War, Rwanda, Czechoslovakia, Syria, and on and on. Blood lust is the worst human side of humans. For all these cultures and too many more, there will never be true "justice". The primary thing is to never forget all of them, and (much more difficult), to learn from these deeds. The latter of which, inhabitants of this world apparently cannot or will not do.
D.S.Barclay (Toronto on)
No one EVER asks; how on earth did this happen? The US illegally bombed Cambodia thinking that the Viet Cong were hiding out there. Primitive villagers who had done nothing wrong watched their families being burned alive by incessant bombing. Since they were not at war, and there was not any reason for this slaughter, the only conclusion they came to was that technology itself was the evil cause. They went on a rampage of revenge against the cities, the schools and anything that was not simple agriculture. But you'll never hear anything but; 'it was evil communism'. Because the US can do no wrong. And more lately, the similar thing happened in Iraq. The US destroyed the nation's infra-structure, the new govt. left out the Sunnis, and into the power vacuum came ISIS fanatics. Evil begets evil.
John (South Carolina)
@D.S.Barclay not trying to start an argument about this but I just wanted to state that the people involved in the illegal bombing of Cambodia were put on trial in the US and found guilty, trust me, we know we can do wrong, we have made that obvious, but we also show that we punish the people responsible for those wrong doings time and time again.
Sarah (New York, NY)
The Khmer Rouge was not a grass roots movement. Its leaders were educated and it was supported by the UN.
Michael (California)
@John I'm sorry if I'm ignorant on this, but I know of no trial in the USA for the officials who ordered the bombing of Cambodia, nor for the military leaders who carried it out. Perhaps you are confusing that bombing with another? See: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/opinion/america-cambodia-bomb.html
FRANCIS MELVIN (Philadelphia)
And while we debate who is to blame for past genocides, current genocides go on without any real effort to bring them to an end. New killing fields are carved out and the best we can do is discuss old ones. Shame on us.
Chuck (Portland oregon)
@FRANCIS MELVIN The United Nations needs a resolution that enables and empowers a human rights SWAT team type of commando operations to conduct life saving interruption of genocidal campaigns. It could have helped the Rohingya. Sadly it was the French who resisted sending in the Blue Helmets into Rwanda to try to quell the mass insanity that gripped that country. United Nations soldiers could have made a difference there. Also, sadly was the ill-fated Dutch contingent of Blue Helmets in Bosnia / Hertzegovina that failed the men and women of Srebrenica and other mountain villages. They were present, but failed to live up to their duty (I understand because they were threatened by the Bonian Serbs with annihilation also). Still, an international police force is in order in this day and age.
Mary M (Raleigh)
My former mother-in-law' s family had fled the Vietnam war in search of safe harbor in Cambodia. Though citizens of Vietnam, they were ethnically Chinese who had historically lived as travelling merchants. So as war encroached further South, the safest and most natural course of action was to flee across the border to Cambodia. My former mother-in-law couldn't join her parents and brother on the trip because she was pregnant and her husband was away as a U-boat guide to marines. Her family worried for her safety as they left her behind. The Cambodian border sealed shut, making her predicament of being alone and pregnant in a country at civil war all the more perilous. Then the Khmer Rouge killings swept through Cambodia. One day soldiers came to her family's house and ordered everyone outside. Before her mother's eyes, her father and brother were murdered. Afterward, her mother went insane. Reality had become unbearable, so she could no longer live there. Until her death decades later, she had to be cared for. Her sanity never returned. In a way, her mother died that day, too.
TK Farg (Machias )
The real tragedy is that the younger generation barely remembers what happened during the Khmer Rouge era and the official yearly commemoration day of the defeat of the KR is seen as a holiday or government propaganda. There are still many unspoken gaping wounds that are badly masked by the scramble to get ahead in life. If the tribunal is not the answer, something else needs to be.
A Franco (Hoboken)
Let’s not forget that Henry Kissinger ushered in all this death, and that he still walks free on this earth, a national hero of sorts to many powerful Americans.
John Locke (Assonet MA)
@A Franco He inherited an unwinnable and unpopular war and ended it. Its actually racist and dismissive to blame Asian crimes on Americans. We didn't commit the genocide, Khmer Rouge did it to their own people. They were fully autonomous individuals who made their choices.
D.S.Barclay (Toronto on)
@John Locke; N.Vietnam was ready for peace, but Kissinger and Nixon continued the war so that Nixon could get re-elected. Also, Nixon illegally bombed Cambodia, massacring the rural population, who then became the Khmrr Rouge
MJB (Tucson)
@D.S.Barclay and others in this thread. There is blame to go around; but ultimately, the people who did it to their own people...are the most culpable. Otherwise, no one will ever stop exertion of power for nefarious ends. The person who pulls the trigger, who kills others, who directly carries out the orders, is culpable. The person who gives the direct orders, is culpable. The politicians who play games with the lives of others? So they can win an election? We have yet to figure out how to hold them accountable for lighting the match.
E K KADIDDLEHOPPER (Vishakhapatnam)
This serves no sensible purpose to waste millions to sentence a couple of very elderly men, already serving life sentences, to additional life sentences. What is the point? These fellows are now harmless. Parole them on unsupervised parole and let them have a few days of freedom and enjoy their descendants before they pass away!
ojalaquellueva (Squamish, BC)
@E K KADIDDLEHOPPER Bringing mass murders to justice is never a waste of time or money. Multiple studies have shown that high profile human rights trials decrease the probability of future atrocities in the countries where the violations occurred and deter would-be monsters in neighboring countries. The arrest of Augusto Pinochet in London in 1998 sent a shiver down the backs of dictators around the world. Even though he was eventually released back to Chile, he was hounded to his grave by protests and more trials--a potent message that monsters don't always get to live out their days in peace. And where is your sympathy for the dead? Where is your sympathy for the survivors? They will never enjoy a day of freedom from memories of torture, of loved ones lost, of murdered parents, siblings, children, friends who can never "enjoy their descendants". Whatever small measure of relief or closure these trials bring to the victims themselves, is worth it. A thousand times over.
Howard (Bradenton,FL)
@ojalaquellueva Well said!
John Macgregor (Phnom Penh)
"...little national introspection has occurred." Little of this, too, in the United States, whose bombing of Cambodia (perhaps half a million civilian deaths) enabled Pol Pot to quickly build his army from three or four thousand to 60,000 - large enough to seize the country. More American bombs were dropped on Cambodia than by all the Allies in all theaters of World War Two. This, too, was genocidal - unless you believe that international courts are for brown people only.
Tom (Saigon)
@John Macgregor "Little of this, too, in the United States, whose bombing of Cambodia (perhaps half a million civilian deaths) enabled Pol Pot to quickly build his army from three or four thousand to 60,000 - large enough to seize the country. " Whereas I agree that the US bombing of Cambodia was horrendous and should be considered as a war crime with Henry Kissinger being called to account, for the sake of accuracy, it should be pointed out that the allegation that the US bombing "quickly enabled" Pol Pot to build up his army to the point of victory, has never been proven or even subjected to any type of rigorous study. US blame for the atrocities committed by the KR is the standard academic view parroted by Chomsky & Co. and is based on anecdotal "evidence" at best. If any outside power is to be given credit for helping Pol Pot obtain power, it would be the North Vietnamese (and some VC) , especially in the early days of the conflict. Without Vietnamese assistance, Pol Pot would never have been victorious. Ironic that they became bitter enemies.
bronwyn (australia)
@John Macgregor Totally agree. There are many in the Western world who should, but will never, be held to account :(
bronwyn (australia)
@Stephanie Wood It's soothing to know that there are some in the good old US of A that are honest and ready to speak the truth. There are too many in the 'Western world' that think we are the 'good guys' and feel no accountability for what goes on and the blind eyes that are turned to the wicked things we do