The War to End All Measles

Nov 12, 2018 · 64 comments
Lee Hover, D. Med. Hum. (Lacey, WA)
Altho much of this discussion hinges on children (rightfully so), people should be aware that, even if children escape the various so-called childhood diseases, they can come down with them as adults. Having experienced mumps, chicken pox, and German measles as an adult, I can honestly say I was totally miserable each time and, to add insult to injury, I developed mumps -related pancreatitis, which resulted in constant nausea. It was like early pregnancy. Folks, all of this was not pleasant to endure, but we didn't have those vaccines yet. Do you REALLY want to bestow these gifts on your children? And don't forget that having chicken pox also lays one open to developing shingles later on--another gift that keeps on giving.
Educated Anti-vaxxer (Texas)
Science is the new religion. Should we really hold people down and vaccinate them, against their will and beliefs? Ostracize and shun them for the crime of potentially diluting our purity? Even if their philosophy of health and disease is more consistent, more gentle, and more effective than our own? According to the historic record, during the Spanish flu of 1918 those cases treated by evidence based modern medicine had a very high mortality rate, while those treated by homeopathy had a mortality rate of 1%. The vehemence and vitriol which arises regarding these issues is evidence of the fear which is the basis of our medical system. Please know that there are other systems which are not based in fear and profit. Unless you have openly, fully, and diligently listened to the other side and investigated it for yourself, I would hold that it is you who are ignorant.
Susan (Washington DC)
@Educated Anti-vaxxer “According to the historic record...those treated by homeopathy had a mortality rate of 1%.” According which historic record? Is there a citation for this? There would be no way to accurately track this because treatment outside of medical facilities was self-reported, so any conclusions of this nature are suspect at best. A cursory search returns no reputable medical journal study on this topic. The statement presented in your comment is historically inaccurate. For the record, I’m a professional historian. “Even if their philosophy of health and disease is...more effective than our own?” Forgive me for my lack of understanding but did naturopathic practitioners develop the vaccine to eradicate smallpox? Were they behind the polio vaccine which has effectively wiped out this disease in the Western world? Did they somehow develop a more effective treatment for whooping cough or for measles? If not, how could their philosophy possibly be more effective? The medical system we have in the United States is imperfect, yes, but your understanding of it as based in fear is profoundly inaccurate. It is based in careful and objective scientific research. The side based in fear, rather, is the side which mistrusts proper research and those who conduct it, and propagates that fear through misinformation.
Sneeral (NJ)
Educated anti-vaxxer? There's an oxymoron. In answer to your question, the answer is yes. Unless a child has a compelling medical reason not to get vaccinated, then they must get vaccinated. Or be excluded from public schools, child care clinics and other public facilities.
Sneeral (NJ)
And your comment about homeopathy is preposterous. That succeeds at exactly the rate of a placebo. Because it IS nothing more than a placebo given that there is no active ingredient in any homeopathic solution. Unless you're gullible enough to believe that water preserves a "memory" of some mysterious "energy" that was in some random ingredient.
Valerie (California)
A family member suffered mumps encephalopathy a couple of years or so before a vaccine became available. She was in a coma, but survived and was fine. It was not a fun week in the family. I myself was said to have had rubella as toddler and never got vaccinated. But I got lucky — I started working in a virology lab as a student, and my supervisor realized that I may not have had rubella. Off I went for testing. He was right, I got vaccinated, and he saved my kids from the risk of congenital rubella syndrome. Visited a big old cemetery in the northeast not long ago. There was an entire section for dead babies and toddlers. All the old cemeteries are like that up there. And yet the ignorati tell us that vaccines are “dangerous.” After all, they contain scary things like “buffers” (salt water), “too many antigens” (your kid gets way more of those from breathing, eating, and putting his fingers in his mouth), and aluminum (there’s more in breast milk). But facts be darned! Because...autism. Because...needles. The only solution is legislation, as evidenced by skyrocketing immunization rates in California in the wake of our wonderful law that gives people a choice: you can either vaccinate your snowflake or homeschool him (only valid medical exemptions excepted).
David G (Monroe NY)
I am nobody special. But I did suffer through all those childhood diseases; measles, rubella, chickenpox, mumps. They were all horrendous in their own way, and I was then unaware that I could die from them. I developed chickenpox at age 16. Our family doctor’s jaw dropped when he saw me during a house call (remember those?). I was literally covered from head to toe with angry oozing pustules. I looked like an alien, and felt like one too. Fifty years later, I still have scars. And you be sure that I receive every vaccine that wasn’t discovered or available back then. The antivaxxers are nuts.
DJS (New York)
I would like to address the disparaging comments which vilified Orthodox Jews as failing to vaccinate their children : My Orthodox Jewish parents had each of their five children vaccinated as per the recommended vaccination guidelines, as did the other Orthodox Jewish parents in the neighborhood, and as do all the Orthodox Jews whom I know..The people in the article who chose not to vaccinate their children are not representative of the Orthodox Jewish community. . My friend's children's pediatrician gave a couple a choice of vaccinating their children or removing them from his practice. He was not going to allow them to risk the lives of the babies in his waiting room who were too young to be vaccinated. If other pediatricians follow suit, the anti-vaxxers will be forced to decide whether they would prefer to allow their children to go without treatment, or vaccinate. My grandparents buried a four year old child who died of a childhood disease for which no vaccination existed in the 1930s. No parent should have to bury a child in 2018,of an illness for which a vaccine is available, as a result of other parents' selfish decisions.
David G (Monroe NY)
Although it isn’t clear in the article, I’m sure the author is referring to the Hasidim (Haredim), especially the Satmar sect. The gentile world often lumps the Jewish community together as a monolithic group, but the reality couldn’t be further away. Orthodox Jews have a very different world outlook than, say, the Satmars.
Sneeral (NJ)
It isn't so much the Orthodox community add it is the Hasidic community that lives in a manner that holds themselves apart from the larger society. As a Jew I often find their actions and attitudes to be maddening. And I'm being kind.
Margaret (Oakland)
Talking to you, Marin County!
Miss Ley (New York)
Born in New York and raised in France, it has always been a bit of a mystery to this reader of how one single student in a day-school of 120 pupils could come down with the measles and end up in the hospital. Mademoiselle Bigoudille, the epitome of a spinster, was in charge of the boarders. There were twelve of us. We all had a bad case of the flu and were given awful brews with a generous dosage of aspirin. At first it was a holiday of sorts, staying in our steel cots, sharing our dreams, and then La Grippe left us, our fever abated, and I remember my friend from Laos, up and about. My fever climbed to a soaring 104; it was suffocating, and I no longer cared if this was dying. A five-year old approached my bed and exclaimed 'you are covered in little red buttons'. The following morning the ambulance arrived, and I was given a get-well send off from my classmates, waving from the biology window. As I walked down the corridor of the Institut Pasteur, where Rock Hudson was later treated for AIDS, young doctors popped their heads out of their office, with a 'wow'. This took place in the mid-60s, where we were being given booster shots for the prevention of polio. Polio, measles, mumps, and more have still not been eradicated in these times, and I was to meet a few grown-up victims of polio in adolescence. There were two cases of measles in the hospital, in quarantine. A baby, screaming in 'anguish'; the teenager felt helpless, but we survived. Save The Children.
Kathryn (Omaha)
@Miss Ley I worked vaccine preventable diseases in a large state public health dept. I would drop everything to assist the epidemiological effort when outbreaks of measles, mumps, pandemic influenza (and other diseases) emerged in un-immunized populations, typically when someone infected but not yet with symptoms, travelled from a country with low vax rates to a conference in the states --or an un-immunized kid went overseas and brought an infection home. To believe it is smart to send your unprotected kid to a 'chickenpox party' so she gets the disease"naturally" is foolhardy. Let's look at the cascade of outcomes: the risk of complications, risk of infecting siblings, missed school days, possible hospitalization, parent providing care for days while missing work .... Consider the cost-burden, as well the specific risks for that disease .... .... while anti-vacciners dismiss the health risks to their kids because fear-mongering pitches of self-promoting expert celebrities--including an ex-porno-star from Hollywood--hawk fake fears and sell their books on daytime TV show platforms or infomercials. A guy can't make this stuff up.
Miss Ley (New York)
@Kathryn, Thank you for your input and the work you did to help protect kids from these childhood diseases; some of the above, appear to be flaring up again in our midst. It was somewhat of a miracle that none of my other classmates got a virulent case of the measles, and remains a mystery. My American mother, also brought up at a boarding school, in the late 20s in the southern region of France, developed a whopping case of whooping cough, where she remained quarantined in the school's attic with her sister, who recuperated and managed to take a letter down to the village, sending word to their French mother in New York. It was in the days of the great ocean liners, and my grandmother brought her daughters safely back to the States. All to say, you are not making up these fears, based on first-hand experience, and what is happening to children in need of vaccines, is neither fictitious nor fake news.
JPRP (NJ)
My father, born in 1904, was the youngest of nine children. But only 5 made it out of infancy.
Jay (Florida)
I am disgusted and outraged by the orthodox Jewish communities of Brooklyn who refuse vaccines because of so-called religious objections. There are no such prohibitions in any Jewish writings and the claim that there are is an outright falsehood and lie. What is worse is the pseudo intellectual claims of parental freedom of choice and freedom to say no in the face of proven science and medical technology. The conspiracy theorists are equally repugnant. The risks to children of deafness, brain damage, hospitalization, pneumonia, and even death from preventable diseases through vaccination cannot be ignored or set aside because of religion or personal opposition. Children who can't be immunized because of real physical side effects are only protected when the great majority of all other children are vaccinated. We have many freedoms in America. But there is no right to place public health at risk and absolutely no right to say no when the health of the general public, especially children who cannot protect themselves are put in deadly jeopardy. No child should be permitted to attend any public, private or parochial school without proof of immunization. Even home schooled children must be vaccinated. We need to review and where necessary change and modernize our public health laws in all states. We may need a national health directive for public safety. Parents with religious and personal objections take note; You are placing the community at risk not just your children.
bcer (Vancouver)
When I lived in the grad dorm at McGill.in the mid 70s, there was a fellow student there...30ish, handsome. He had been a pediatrician who developed measles encephalitis and was trying to retrieve some variety of career. I do not believe he was successful.
DJS (New York)
@Jay My Brooklyn dwelling Orthodox brother and his wife lived had their six children vaccinated , as did my sisters, and as did my parents, and all the other Orthodox Jewish parents whom I know. As someone who was born into and raised in the Orthodox Jewish community, and whose father was the President of the Shul. I know a great deal of Orthodox parents. These parents are educated people who vaccinate their children, and do not want their children exposed to the children of the "anit-vaxxers." Your comment put forth an untrue allegation against the Orthodox Jewish community which invites further anti-semitism, when there is all too much anti-semitism in this country as there is. Contrary to your assertion, the Orthodox Jewish communities. of Brooklyn do not oppose vaccination. In fact, my friend's Orthodox Pediatrician has told parents who refuse to vaccinate that they must agree to vaccinate their children or seek another pediatrician, as he is not going to allow them to expose the babies who are too young to be vaccinated to these unvaccinated children in his waiting room. As you stated, there is no Jewish law that prohibits vaccination. Please fact-check before posting untruths which can incitefurther anti-semitism in a country where 11 Jews were gunned down in Shul weeks ago. None of the parents whom I have encountered who have chosen not to vaccinate their children are Orthodox or even Jewish.
Jay (Florida)
@DJS I strongly disagree with everything you assert. It is indeed many within the Orthodox sects that passionately and wrongly opposed vaccination. Furthermore it is not anti-Semitic to point out what a minority within our religion does that jeopardizes the community. I am Jewish. I was raised conservative with more leanings toward Orthodox Judaism. My grandparents, Orthodox Jews, lived in Brooklyn and my mother was raised there too. Do not claim anti-Semitism as an excuse to deny and deflect the anti-vaccine practices of too many Orthodox Jews. Check your own facts and see who has become ill. At least 17 confirmed cases of measles in Orthodox Jewish communities in Williamsburg and Borough Park are well documented. It is NOT anti-Semitic to reveal those cases. How many were not revealed would be even more telling. The ultra-Orthodox can be very secretive and unreceptive to others outside their clan. One more thing. It is the unchallenged vociferous race-baiting rhetoric of Mr. Trump that invites anti-Semitism and racism. Direct your criticism to him. Not to me. I do not want to attend Shabbat services and have to carry arms to defend myself and my family. But as a Jew, a veteran and an American I will not be a victim. PS: Check out the myriad health problems of the Amish of Pennsylvania. It is not anti-Amish to discuss their afflictions that arise from inbreeding and rejection of modern health practices and standards. Religion is not always an excuse or an answer.
D.T. in MD (MD)
My great-great grandfather died of measles in a Civil War camp. He was not alone. My mother had polio, fortunately a mild case, and she recovered. We know others who had it. I myself had measles, German measles, chicken pox, and mumps. You better believe I believe in vaccination.
memsomerville (Somerville MA)
The good old days: "recruits coming off the farm were especially vulnerable". Well, there goes that myth that farm life makes you invulnerable and boosts that immune system.
Bruce (Cleveland)
@memsomerville I'm afraid you're mixing the notions of the "worm hypothesis" and immunization. Children from farms have fewer allergies due to the former. The unimmunized, whether from farm or city, can be vulnerable to viral infections if exposed.
David Martin (Vero Beach, Fla.)
Historically, hookworm and other parasites were prevalent in the American South. Hookworm remains a problem in areas without organized water supply (home wells) and septic tanks or simply allowing toilet water to run off. It does not help that some members of the public and politicians oppose the notion of "public" health, preferring to think of health as a private matter.
MomT (Massachusetts)
Our country is so infected with conspiracists that truth has been overwhelmed. Something as simple and provable as vaccines work has become Big Pharma wants to kill or damage your child. I remember getting vaccinated at my elementary school in the late 60's. We lined up in the auditorium and each took our turn to get our shot in the arm. People didn't opt their children out based on some ludicrous idea, all the kids were just there, scared and waiting their turn, knowing that it was an important and unavoidable thing. A lollipop was our reward. I cannot imagine this occurring any longer in our post-truth, "you do you", selfish society.
Lisa (New York)
The number of vaccines given has risen astronomically since the time you describe. It is not unusual for kids to receive eight or even nine vaccines in a visit yet they have never been tested in aggregate. Hannah Poling received nine in one visit and sustained lifelong brain damage demonstrated in court. Our children are among the sickest in the developed world. Parents concerned about vaccine safety do not deserve your ridiculing tone, and memories of a long ago time where few vaccines were given have little relevance to current medical practices.
Valeria (Eastern PA)
@Lisa "... memories of a long ago time where few vaccines were given have little relevance to current medical practices." No, dear, you are sadly mistaken. It's called evidence-based medicine, which actual doctors and scientists practice; not amateurs who got their honorary, self-bestowed degrees from the University of Google, where misinformation runs rampant. It's ironic that vaccines have become victims of their own success; those who have not lived in the era of vaccine-preventable diseases, because they've been immunized against them, don't understand the devastating illness and death they can cause when left unchecked. Many of us remember the old days when whole communities gathered en masse to get their vaccines against polio and other scourges. Consider yourself fortunate, and get your kids their shots; if you neglect this and they get sick, nobody will thank you or admire you for your "courage."
CC (SG)
I believe you have not provided sufficient information about the Hannah Poling incident - what you are doing is scare-mongering - by mentioning something very unfortunate that happened to one child. More about Hannah Poling (can be easily found by searching on google): On the whole, the scientific evidence does not prove that the vaccines caused autism (there is also no evidence to prove that the vaccines caused a worsening of Hannah Poling's mitochondrial disease). The court (of law) simply ruled that it was "plausible". "... it was a special case that could not be extrapolated to other vaccine-autism cases" Why don't you mention the names of the many children who have suffered and died from measles infections? Regarding your comment on American children being the "sickest in the developed world", that is not a result of vaccines (which you have tried to insinuate) - it seems that the American child is 76% more likely to die (not 'sicker' as you have stated) because of the fragmented health care system. American teens on the other hand, are 82 times more likely to die from gun homicide.
Anonymous Bosch (Atl, GA)
My father was a doctor for fifty years, after a stint with the U.S. Public Health Service following combat duty in WWII. He was a pretty thoughtful and experienced guy. One day many years ago, when Dr. Tom Price was a state senator and not yet anywhere near HHS, I introduced him to my Dad. We happened to be discussing anti-immunization laws. Dr. Price had a question for him: "Doctor, how can anyone be against vaccination?" My old man growled out a simple answer: "They never watched a child die of diptheria, that's how."
Susan (Washington DC)
@Anonymous Bosch People forget - today, we (in this country) have the luxury of a childhood relatively free from disease, but even two generations ago, that wasn't the case. They don't understand how awful it was to watch a child die, or lose sight or hearing, or the ability to walk.
Pete (Houston)
I nearly died of measles when I was five years old, in 1947. I was infected when my parents and I met with a neighbor who had a relative visiting from overseas. I don't understand, from my personal experience obviously, why some parents will grasp any excuse to avoid vaccinating their children against life threatening diseases. I wonder how these "anti-vax" parents would react if school systems were to enact a policy that all unvaccinated children are to be assigned to the same classroom to protect the other children in their school. If the "anti-vax" parents want their children to be protected by the "herd", they should join the herd.
Daisy (undefined)
The New York Times is staunchly in favor of vaccinations and every so often publishes an article similar to this. Parents would be well advised to balance this information with that gleaned from other sources which explain the very real side effects that vaccines can have, as well as the importance of considering a vaccine schedule that makes sense for your situation, as opposed to blindly following the one recommended by pediatricians. For instance, if your child is recovering from any kind of infection, it may be a better idea to postpone that pediatrician appointment and go the following week when his immune system is not already aroused. And, question why vaccines have to be given together - it is not medical necessity, but convenience of the practitioner. There is no evidence that grouping vaccines isn't harmful for children who may have a propensity to suffer neurological effects. Finally, some vaccines can and perhaps should be postponed. Why immunize 2 month olds against Hepatitis B, a sexually transmitted disease? Parents need to empower themselves with information and advocate for their own decisions, just as in every other encounter with the medical professions.
Laura Robinson (Kirkland, WA)
@Daisy You are wrong about Hepatitis B, it is not solely a sexually transmitted disease, it can also be transmitted by contact with infected blood. Infants can be infected by their mothers, who may not even know they have it. The strategy of immunizing infants and small children has led to Hep B being almost nonexistent in those under 19 in the U.S. It is definitely worth doing!
Susan (Washington DC)
@Laura Robinson To add to your post - @Daisy -You are also wrong about vaccine scheduling. Vaccines are not just given at the convenience of the practitioner. The schedules are well studied and are there for a reason; they correspond with infant development and with the age when the child's immune system will work the best with that vaccine. They are also given at specific times to prevent illnesses at the earliest possible age.
Lisa (New York)
Hepatitis b vaccine has been linked to increased risk of ms. Some other countries such as France have stopped recommending it, yet we give it to newborns. The mother could easily be tested for hep b. Why risk giving all newborns a shot? My guess is there is good money in it. I wonder why the New York Times refuses to cover this issue more fairly and explore the reasons for increased concern about vaccine safety. Our children are among the sickest in the developed world but also the most vaccinated. If vaccines were the key to health, they should be at the top of the heap. Also our courts have excused vaccine makers from liability for vaccine injury effectively taking away motivation to vigorously insure safety. I wonder how many of the readers commenting here would buy a car where the automaker was excused by the courts from having to worry about safety? Just writing down what government officials say didn't work for the Iraq war and there are plenty of red flags here. Try to be more fair.
SAMRNinNYC (NYC)
1. I work in Travel Medicine, a specialty that prepares people for travel abroad. 2. My siblings had measles, I did not, but should be immune, right? Wrong, I test negative. 3. I am highly allergic to a vaccine component and cannot receive it without risking anaphylaxis. Given the above, I am a fierce advocate for adhering to the CDC's vaccination schedules. Every outbreak of measles is tied to a traveler. Other imported vaccine-preventable diseases: typhoid (although this vaccine is not highly immunogenic) & diphtheria. Added to the vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs) that we have conquered, are diseases like malaria or dengue, which as with measles, many U.S. healthcare providers have never seen and are ill-equipped to include in the list of possible imported diseases resulting in delay of definitive diagnosis. Between defunding of public health initiatives, lack of experience in diagnosing, anti-vaxxers who worship at the alter of the disgraced (& disgraceful) Andrew Wakefield, we are risking lives. Add the propensity for people to trust Dr. Google over a trained NP or MD, we will no doubt see a persistence in measles outbreaks and a reintroduction of other diseases.
CC (Western NY)
It seems no amount of rational thought will convince an anti-vaccination person to change their mind and vaccinate their child. To them, reality is "fake news" and they will come up with all sorts of articles that verify their beliefs but totally ignore the overwhelming evidence that does not fit into their thought process. Anti-vaccers, like climate change deniers are all aboard the same ship of fools.
Jennifer (brooklyn)
@CC Nope. not like climate change deniers silly. more like being pro-choice and pro-informed consent. and you are more along the lines of pro-life evangelicals. Does it occur to you that educated people can decide what goes into their bodies. Maybe make informed decisions with their own doctors instead of being trolled by posts like yours?
DaveD (Wisconsin)
And yet the greatest risk to those young men of WW1 wasn't the measles or mumps. It was the lust for war residing in their so-called leaders. This is still the greatest of human risks to life and limb awaiting a vaccine.
Laura Robinson (Kirkland, WA)
@DaveD Well, it was both. There wasn't a flu vaccine back then, and the 1918 strain was especially hard on young adults. More of them died from the flu than from the war.
DaveD (Wisconsin)
@Laura Robinson Of course my point was that while the flu has been largely conquered by modern vaccines, the infection of militarism remains largely unabated, here as well as elsewhere. Additionally, the flu is not self-inflicted.
johns (Massachusetts)
As a pediatrician it is sobering to visit the old New England cemeteries. These are graveyards full of children many of whom died from infectious diseases that are now preventable by immunization. It is sad to think that being a parent in colonial times meant expecting that many of your children would never make it to adulthood. The one greatest public health discovery in history was that immunization could prevent many previously serious or fatal infections. The challenge with those who make a personal choice to not immunize is that it is not just about you and your child. That choice could infect or kill another child. This is why the maximum number of children need to be immunized to create a herd immunity to prevent spread of these infections. Finally, exhaustive research on the measles vaccine has shown no link to autism. Please let’s just immunize our kids and not return to the good old days when our cemeteries were full of children dying from vaccine preventable diseases.
Susan (Washington DC)
@johns I agree. I'm a historian, and now and again, will see groupings of children's graves at cemeteries. Most striking was one group of almost twenty graves in a small town cemetery of children who all died around the same time, between 1950 and 1953, corresponding with polio outbreaks. I think people have become so used to the idea of a childhood relatively free from illness that they don't understand how critical vaccines are in human history.
MIKEinNYC (NYC)
There is a streak of insanity present in the mindset of certain parents, who are themselves immunized, where they set forth the false proposition that measles vaccinations lead to autism. People who decline immunizations to their children are engaging in conduct which is tantamount to child abuse.
WSB (Manhattan)
@MIKEinNYC Some of us are unvaccinated because we had the diseases. Measles and mumps were part of childhood.
Darcie (Michigan)
@WSB Yes, they were, and 450 children, of the 4-5 million who got it each year, died. Many more were hospitalized with serious complications.
Valeria (Eastern PA)
@WSB Many baby boomers got these diseases before the vaccines were available. My mother got measles as a teenager in the 1950s; she developed pneumonia as a complication and was in the hospital in an oxygen tent for 3 months. I got chicken pox in the 1960s, got a systemic strep infection and was hospitalized on IV antibiotics for 2 weeks. For many boys, mumps was the equivalent of a free vasectomy. But that was "just life," right? Should today's kids be sentenced to this same experience?
LT (Fairfield County, CT)
This brings me back to the only night in my long life that I had a doctor’s house call. I had a temperature hovering around 105 degrees, so my Mom said later, and I was delirious. I don’t know what the doctor did, but I made it through the night. Been respectful of vaccinations ever since!
Sewgirl (NYC)
Thank you for this important reminder. My aunt had measles while pregnant here in the US in the 1960’s. My cousin was born with extensive issues, has never walked or talked, and is blind and deaf. I am shocked at how this issue continues to be debated by anyone today.
MK (NY)
@Sewgirl Remember when polio was rampant? When the first vaccine was developed? Then we had the second vaccine with live virus. People stood in long lines, waited anxiously for their doctors to dose everyone to prevent this awful disease for everyone. Most children cannot enter public schools without being vaccinated to prevent spreading these scourges to anyone, children or adults. Religious beliefs should not be used as an excuse. If you travel to places where these communicable diseases , you should be isolated at home until the period of communicalbity has passed. We have the opportunity to end these diseases....
Betsy (NJ)
@MK I remember standing in that long line in my elementary school, waiting for my first polio vaccination with everybody else in my school. (It's one of those cases where you can still picture that doctor.) Perhaps I wouldn't have known, but I don't remember any parent having an issue with it. In my town, we faced the situation as a community. It is, actually, as you note, that simple and that necessary.
Henry (D.C.)
@Sewgirl My understanding is that measles doesn't cause birth defects, although it can cause miscarriage. On the other hand, rubella ("German measles") can.
turbot (philadelphia)
The anti-vaccers should pay. out of pocket, for the medical costs of their refusal - their own kids and to those who catch it from them. The parents of the secondary cases should sue the parents of the primary cases.
Allan (Rydberg)
We are the 12th richest nation in the world. According to the WHO the other nations all richer than we are give their children half the vaccinations that we do. I find this troubling.
left coast finch (L.A.)
@Allan Citations and your point, please? What are your smugly implying? That the scientific premise behind this article is somehow suspect? Again, citations?
Bbrown (Vi)
@Allan As a nurse working in another country, I disagree with your comment. Many of the immunization records I see from other countries (and I've seen a lot) have similar immunization requirements as the US. The country I am in right now does not give pneumococcal or meningococcal vaccines right now, but would like to. It's a matter of money now, but they hope to offer them in the future.
Mike (near Chicago)
I've seen this claim made multiple times, but never with any details that stand up. Until I see clear details, I'm classing this as an urban legend.
Euphemia Thompson (Westchester County, NY)
My stepdaughter started college with the warning that she needed to retake her MMR b/c her medical record shows that her first vaccine was given 2 days before her first birthday. Her bio mother thought her birthday was June 10, when in fact, it was June 12, and scheduled her for her 1 yr well baby visit two days too early.
DJS (New York)
@Euphemia Thompson How could the biological mother believe that her daughter's birthday was June 10th, when it was, in fact, on June 12th ?
Bruce Hall (Michigan)
"The War to End All Measles (in the U.S.)" The CDC website states: "Since 2000, when public health officials declared measles eliminated from the U.S., the annual number of people reported to have measles ranged from a low of 37 people in 2004 to a high of 667 people in 2014." and... "Since measles is still common in many countries, travelers will continue to bring this disease into the United States. Measles is highly contagious, so anyone who is not protected against measles is at risk of getting the disease. People who are unvaccinated for any reason, including those who refuse vaccination, risk getting infected with measles and spreading it to others. And they may spread measles to people who cannot get vaccinated because they are too young or have specific health conditions." so... the risk remains indefinite.
Darcie (Michigan)
@Bruce Hall The risk depends on the percentage of people who are vaccinated. When we have pockets of people who are not vaccinated, the risk is much higher. Over 90% of unvaccinated people who are exposed to measles, for example, will contract the disease. Fewer than 1% of people who are fully vaccinated (that means both doses) will get it.
The Refusers (Seattle WA)
Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics "Acute Encephalopathy Followed by Permanent Brain Injury or Death Associated With Further Attenuated Measles Vaccines" "Conclusions. This clustering suggests that a causal relationship between measles vaccine and encephalopathy may exist as a rare complication of measles immunization." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/3/383.short
Adam Ratner (New York, NY)
@The Refusers Thank you for pointing out that article, which describes 48 cases of encephalopathy over a 23 year period in the United States. During that period (1970-1993), approximately 75 million children received measles-containing vaccines in the U.S. Even if one accepts that all of these cases are linked to the vaccine, which is unlikely, the rate of vaccine-associated encephalopathy would still be many orders of magnitude less than the rate of encephalopathy following wild-type ("natural") measles infection. Thus, the measles vaccine is, if anything, protective against encephalopathy. More detailed information regarding measles can be found at the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control website (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/index.html), and information about the current NY outbreak can be found at the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/measles.page).
left coast finch (L.A.)
@The Refusers A handful of “possibly” connected cases out of millions vaccines given over decades. Your child has more risk of grave injury or death by traveling in a car, a totally preventable risk as well, which I assume you are addressing in the same way as vaccines by refusing to allow him/her to travel in a car?
A (Capro)
@The Refusers The worst thing the internet ever did was to put academic articles in the hands of people with a less-than-third-grade understanding of science, medicine, or statistics. They pull out an article that they do not understand, which doesn't remotely say what they think it does, and slam it on the table like they are playing a trump card. Their foolishness is apparent to everyone except the other fools, who tend to be impressed by the boundless confidence that comes from poor understanding.