Seize all the ballets, take them Tampa, Orlando, wherever and have them count them. Something is rotten in Broward county. The voters deserve a fair and accurate count.
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Scott "cites"? How about "alleges"? He's offered no proof.
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This is exactly what they were talking about in the Kobach Voter Fraud Report of the Trump Administration.
Massive rhetoric; zero substantiation
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He was the govenor of Florida. He owned ensuring that the election process was secure, accurate, and timely, both the voting process, vote counting, and certification. If he says there is fraud it happened under his watch and if this is his way of governing at a state level, he has no businees working the same way at the federal level. I hope he loses in the recount.
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On a happier note: Amendment 13, which outlaws greyhound racing in Florida as of the end of 2020, passed with almost 70% of the vote. Dog-track workers will have two years to get re-trained for jobs at the "racinos" which, from what I understand, no longer have to be tethered to the money-losing tracks and can now focus on the (presumably money-making) casinos, or for other gainful employment. And the dogs themselves will be able to live longer lives in a more humane manner.
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@Rick
Problem is finding homes for the (what I've heard) 5000 dogs. Also making sure the owners don't put them back in racing.
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In Georgia, the Republican candidate, Mr. Kemp has declared victory despite the fact that it seems possible that when all the absentee and provisional ballots are counted that a run-off election with Stacy Abrams might be required. Kemp seems to believe that the ballot counting should cease before it is completed.
In Florida Gov. Scott has made vague allegations of fraud in his race for the Senate wiht Bill Nelson without seeming to specify what the fraud is that he can prove. It just seems that he wants to stop the counting of ballots prematurely too.
I don't understand how anyone can swallow the claim that votes should not be counted based on artificial time constraints or when the candidate in the lead whines that further counting might yield a different result. I see concerted efforts to curtail the rights of our citizens to have their votes counted. There should be outrage.
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Golly, perhaps we should all pay attention to Rick Scott’s claims about fraud seeing how he’s such an expert on the subject having been CEO of Columbia/HCA about ten years ago, when the hospital company was fined $1.7 billion for Medicare fraud and civil lawsuits cost HCA more than $2 billion to settle which at the time was the largest fraud settlement in US history.
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Governor Rick Scott -- this "rampant fraud" has been occurring under your watch. Why aren't you accountable for all of this apparent "law breaking?"
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Across the country Republicans have taken measures to try and prevent groups of voters they perceive as 'unfriendly' from exercising their Constitutional right to vote. Now these hypocrites do not want what is essential to a legitimate democracy - a complete and accurate counting of all legitimate votes (if it means they might lose). I'm not optimistic that such a count will lead to a Democrat winning any of these contests but I'd at least like to know their loss was reflective of the actual vote.
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Fraud is something MR MEDICAID FRAUD AND COLUMBIA HCA SWINDLER knows all about, In a real democracy Scott would have been in jail a long time ago.
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From the comments after another NYT's article about the Florida recounts:
Luciano
Jones39m ago
Broward County continues to magically 'find' tens of thousands of new ballots.
This piece does a disservice to its readers by not pointing out that Broward County Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes has a very clear and documented history of incompetence and fraud
From the Miami Herald today: "Snipes is no stranger to controversy. A court ruled in May that she illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race and the state announced that it would send election experts to Broward County to make sure that laws are followed"
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Also, re: Rick Scott being "shocked, just shocked" over all this, see:
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/
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The Daley machine in Chicago was notorious for holding back election returns from heavily democratic area until all downstate returns were in so that it could see how many additional Democrat votes were needed to achieve the desired election result.
Given the large number of registered voters who do not vote, it is so easy for officials to "find" additional votes after the polls have closed when a paper ballot system is used.
This type of fraud is essentially impossible to detect.
Now I would say this is going on in Florida, but, one does always have to wonder when the results are so delayed.
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Democrat controlled Broward County is a disgraceful example of election fraud. Every county in Florida, save Palm Beach, managed to complete its vote count on time, including those counties in the Panhandle that were devastated by the hurricane. The head of the board of elections in Broward has a history of illegal behavior in previous elections.
As a Floridian and a Republican, I am outraged. Where are these ballots coming from? Why are they being counted behind closed doors with no representatives from either party present? We won't have this election stolen from us! Gov. Scott's lawsuit is certainly justified.
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@MCH Ms. Snipes was appointed by Jeb Bush, a Republican.
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Remember 2000?
Payback is tough
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It is curious that these “long counts” always result in only the Democrats picking up votes.
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@Ambrose Rivers In Waukesha County, WI, a Republican stronghold, votes are routinely "found." Sometimes in the backseat of a car...
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@Ambrose Rivers No, not curious at all since Broward is a county where registered Democrats are twice the number of registered Republicans. Furthermore, the counts do not result in 'only' Democrats picking up votes, just more Democratic votes than Republican votes get tallied because there are more Democrats in the county.
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Like Brian Kemp in Georgia, Rick Scott has a conflict of interest in the US Senate election outcome and should resign now as Governor of Florida.
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Sit down, Rick Scott, who presided over what was then the largest Medicare fraud in history when he was the CEO of HCA. Take a seat. Florida already participated in letting a GOP president steal an election. Sit down, Rick Scott. You know a lot about fraud. You should be quiet now.
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Kemp from Georgia and now Scott from Florida have pulled a very trumpian con by accusing the other side of some sort of crime without presenting ANY proof. It is especially outrageous if one considers they currently control a great deal of the electoral process on their states....
Republicans cannot longer be trusted. What a bunch of cheats !
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I am not saying all Republicans are corrupt but people who benefit from corruption believe they are.
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If at first you don't succeed, recount until you do.
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"I will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election from the great people of Florida.”
Every time the Republicans call names I can't help but think they are accusing and talking about themselves.
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Yes dear Republicans... just 3 words for you. Bush vs. Gore.
Please Bill Nelson, fight to count every vote twice or thrice if needed. Don´t give up!
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Accusing Democrats of "rampant fraud" and calling them "unethical liberals" is not what some of us of a certain age expect to hear from the lips of a sitting governor regardless of the circumstances.
He is accusing people of committing crimes without producing evidence to back up his allegations.
Is that what we have to look forward to every time a Republican loses?
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I agree - there's fraud. It's Florida, after all. But I think the fraud is in Republican hands. They're Republicans, after all. Florida + Republicans = Fraud. (See: 2000 presidential election)
What makes me think this? The polls. I know, they can be wrong and often are. But they had both Gillum and Nelson ahead by several points up to Election Day, and...what? They both lost? By *just enough votes,* the bare minimum needed to lose out of 8 million votes cast? What's up with that? I don't think the polls could have been that wrong, and so conveniently wrong by about *the same margin* for both Gillum and Nelson.
Again, some math: Florida Republicans' ongoing voter suppression + Florida Republicans' history of corrupt elections + Republican Scott's unpopularity + enormous Democratic registration and turnout + Gillum/Nelson losing by *almost identical margins* = Massive Republican Fraud.
Andrew Gillum and Bill Nelson (and Stacey Abrams): Stand and fight! People throughout this country are watching Florida (and Georgia), and we stand with you.
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as anyone who knows Rick Scott's business history of Medicare fraud is aware, Rick Scott screaming fraud is akin to the man who kills his parents and asks for Mercy because he is an orphan.
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The only ones trying to steal election in Florida are, once again, the Republicans. It’s not enough that they keep citizens from voting - now thy don’t want votes from those whose rights they didn’t manage to abrogate, counted. Shameful.
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Neo-Marxists working the streets of Florida and Arizona. Nothing new. How Franken won in Minnesota. Franken down by 215 votes, suddenly after recount up by 225 votes. Last-minute votes found in the trunk of a car?
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@Alice's Restaurant
And what investigation found fraud in that election?
Do people not understand that mail-in ballots take longer to tabulate?
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I think recounts are great. If nothing else, they make people who didn't bother to vote feel guilty and stupid for abdicating their civil responsibility. Hopefully, that guilt will lead them to vote in the next election. As far as Rick Scott is concerned, his temper tantrum upon learning that there will be a recount and his baseless claim that his opponent is trying to steal the election reminds me of that Trump guy who campaigned for him.
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Yikes, Brenda Snipes illegally destroyed ballots in previous race and still has not been able to provide Broward County results when Miami-Dade already has and is bigger; and the areas hard-hit by Category 4 hurricane already have?
And a Charlie Crist supporting, Rick Scott-appointed judge in Florida court found Broward County under Ms. Snipes improperly handled ballots by mail?
This is why Florida author Carl Hiaasen is able to mine so much "truth is stranger than fiction" for his books set in Florida.
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It is utterly ironic that Rick Scott, king of United Health Care, should be crying fraud. He took the fifth Amendment 75 times during a deposition in a fraud investigation of UHC (Scott's company). Well, I guess he ought to know fraud? Florida is a big state with an ever increasing population. There are never enough resources to carry out basic functions of government so yes, it is going to take longer especially when turnout has been so high. These people should be pleased with such high turnout, and be patient because the people of Florida deserve having their votes cast. Rick Scott's money bought a lot of nasty, unfair ads. I hope voters do not reward him for that, though hard to grasp that so many have.
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No "unite all Floridians" here. Scott seems perfectly comfortable suing the constituents he claims to lead, citing no evidence other than coincidence. Unabashedly in politics for his own gain.
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the election officials should make absolutely sure that what happened in Bush vs Gore does not roccur. i am talking about the fact that the Republicans shipped in young men from out of state to yell and scream during the recount. They should do their job in peace. there is enough pressure from everyone.
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Ahh good old Florida. Remember Al Gore in 2000?
I always wondered if Al Gore won back in 2000. I know that the world would of been much cleaner place to live.
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@Goahead - No foolish wars either.
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After 18 years you’d think Florida could get one election right... and you’d be wrong. Voting is fairer and more trouble free in Uzbekistan.
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CROSSROADS
Trump claims victories that he hasn’t had, and then projects.
The Republicans who let him do it claim victories that they haven’t had, and then project.
And now Rick Scott, Don DeSantis, and Brian Kemp are claiming victories that they haven’t had, and are projecting.
Don’t let them do it. Don’t let them claim poll position. Throw it right back at them. They, not Democrats, and cheating. They, not Democrats, are trying to steal the election. They, not Democrats, are acting against the real America.
The election of 2000 was stolen by the Supreme Court. The election of 2016 may very well have been stolen by Russia. Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court was stolen by Mitch McConnell, may he never RIP.
It has to stop now, in 2018.
It looks like Bill Nelson may very well have won and that Stacy Abrams may very well have squeaked into a run-off. And while Andrew Gillum is probably too far back to make the up the difference in vote count, he deserves a recount without dog whistles and strategic projection trying to sabotage election integrity.
False claims and strategic projection are how oppression works.
Stand firm now.
Or let the Confederacy win.
If they want a civil war, they’ve got it.
Sorry. But that’s what it’s coming down to.
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We are having the same issue here in Arizona. Maricopa County, which is the largest county, population-wise, has not yet finished counting their ballots. 75% of ballots are mail-ins, so each ballot has to be checked to be sure the signatures match.
The Republicans don't like that, they took it to court, so there will be a hearing today. In the meantime, at least as of last night, the Democrat, Krysten Sinema, candidate for the Senate is ahead by a few thousand votes.
They took it to Court to have the count stop on Wednesday while Martha McSally was ahead by a few thousand votes. The judge ruled that at the moment, the count can continue. Looks like they have to cheat to win. Every ballot needs to be counted, every very single one.
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@wolf201 Even the defective ballots need to be counted. The more things change, the more they remain the same in our warped political system.
We can send men to the moon, but we can't design a ballot. Yep, only the best and brightest lead us (note sarcasm).
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"He then asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which he helps oversee as governor, to investigate them."
Diogenes would fail if he looked for one honest Republican politician.
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A referendum restoring voting rights to felons passed, yet the Republicans won? Yeah, right. A sunny state for shady elections once again.
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The ballot was poorly designed. I nearly failed to vote for the senate candidate because of the item's position at the page bottom, beneath the instructions. I went looking because I hadn't seen the darn thing but I had all but forgot about that contest. And I thought to myself then how easy to miss it!
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The senate placement was a feature not a bug- voter suppression
I am sure in republican places poll workers pointed it out
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Well at least we know Scott has watched "Citizen Kane."
Remember the scene when Kane's newspaper has to decide which headline to run after the election for governor. One reads that he has won. The second says he lost and there was fraud at the polls.
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It’s interesting to read news articles covering the toss-up elections in California (such as Rohrabacher’s), where it seems to be common knowledge among election consultants that vote counts in close races regularly shift towards the Democratic candidates, for simple demographic reasons (i.e. older Republicans vote early by mail, versus younger Democrats vote at the polls).
If these same demographic rules of voting apply in Florida (and there’s no reason to believe they don’t), then election fraud has nothing to do with the shifts in vote counts.
This is one of those strange phenomena that newspaper readers occasionally encounter, where a single news edition presents multiple articles covering apparently separate universes, unknown to each other by both the reporters and their subjects.
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"The highest-profile recount possibility so far, however, is in the United States Senate race. As of Thursday night, 15,127 votes separated Mr. Scott and Mr. Nelson, a difference of 0.18 percentage points. Under Florida law, a margin smaller than 0.5 points prompts a machine recount, and a margin of 0.25 points or less requires a more thorough manual recount."
The process needs to take place under bipartisan supervision and the results reviewed by the Department of Justice career lawyers.
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Imagine for a second if this were an election for student body president at a high school, and one group of students who looked very favorably upon one particular candidate at the school came up with a cache of votes several days after the election ended to overturn the results in favor of their preferred candidate...one can only imagine the adjectives teens at the school would use to describe that cache of votes.
Seems to be common practice in Florida.
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Scott is setting up the precedent for Trump if you can sue yourself you can pardon yourself.
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Does it not bother decent republican patriots the very damaging rhetoric coming from Rick Scott? Here we go again, although now we’ve got republicans calling liberals liars and cheats basically.
The races are close, you’ve got large cities and counties with six page ballots. Those places deserve to have every single ballot counted.
The only ones lying are the GOP politicians who think preliminary estimates are good enough to call victory and end the process.
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Law enforcement will be investigating. If fraud is found people should be sent to prison.
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Wow now the GOP calls the election officials corrupt??
When they did the GOP’s bidding they weren’t corrupt?
When I think of how quickly Gore conceded for the “good” of the country I feel angry. He should never had conceded. If he had become president we would have had serious legislation dealing with climate change, we maybe would haven’t have had the Iraq war, or the Afghanistan war. And maybe just maybe we would be a better place.
So to those Dems. Do not concede. Fight for every vote.
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One thing the Republicans have mastered is the art of diversion.
"Hey, y'all. Lookie over there." so the attention of the public and the press can be diverted away from things to which the Republicans don't want any attention paid.
Al Gore actually won the Presidential Election in Florida in 2000. Except he was robbed when the Supreme Court halted the recount. Remember Bush's stooge Kathleen Harris who got wind that Bush was losing Florida and as Secretary of State, started a campaign of voter suppression and manipulation of results?
Ir rural red counties versus urban blue counties the numbers favor the Democrats, yet somehow they always lose in Florida.
You can be sure if there was any fraud or trickery or manipulation, it was Rick Scott and the GOP behind it. Now Scott wants to involve the courts AGAIN to prevent counting ALL the votes.
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There are similarities with Florida and Georgi regarding how they mis-manage elections. What appears to be incompetence, is really obfuscation on an industrial scale; the ability to manipulate outcomes by Republicans who control the levers of power. In GA, where the Secretary of State ignored software vulnerabilities in the election system for years, and on the eve of the election created subterfuge by claiming Democrats were ‘hacking’ the voting system. He cited an email sent to a Democrat volunteer that raised concern about the potential to breach the election system using this vulnerability. The Republicans are losing their grip; demographics are working against them (most elderly are Republicans, new voters Democrats), their gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts are finally being exposed (recent federal court cases). Lastly, voters that have been on the fence seem to have figured-out that killing ACA, and the tax breaks for corporations and billionaires are at their expense. The Republicans are in a panic to maintain control, and will pillage till the end. Machiavelli would be proud.
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The former CEO of a company convicted of Medicare fraud is charging others with being unethical? That would be Mr Scott.
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Look what I found upon searching Wikipedia about the 2000 Bush v Gore recount:
"Once the closeness of the election in Florida was clear, both the Bush and Gore campaigns organized themselves for the ensuing legal process. On November 9, the Bush campaign announced they had hired George H. W. Bush's former Secretary of State James Baker and Republican political consultant Roger Stone to oversee their legal team, and the Gore campaign hired Bill Clinton's former Secretary of State Warren Christopher."
Notice a familiar name listed as part of the Bush team? None other than "Political Consultant Roger Stone" who it is rumored is about to be indicted by Mueller in the Trump Russia Probe.
Interesting how Roger Stone is involved in two historic battles in American electoral history.
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@SF Native, Roger Stone goes back to Nixon. He was one of the dirty tricks advisers. And he worked with one of the founders of Home Depot to hire private investigators & bust Eliot Spitzer for Spitzer's extracurricular activities. Interestingly, Roger Stone and Robert Reich (Bill Clinton's first Secretary of Labor) grew up in the same town and graduated from the same public high school. Roger Stone is a few years older.
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That's rich - considering Scott took the 5th 17 times during the trial of HCA/Columbia, the company he founded and paid in excess of 1.7 billion dollars in civil and criminal fines after being found guilty of the largest case of Medicare fraud in US history.
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From Senator Wyden:
“This election has already put a spotlight on the fact that too many voters are stuck with glitchy, insecure voting machines that are hard to use and easy to hack. There’s a better way: Paper ballots and voting at home give voters the convenience and security they want, including a guaranteed paper trail and never waiting for hours just to exercise your constitutional right to vote,” Wyden said.
From me:
Just reiterating that we can all vote this way. Start a petition or measure to ask your legislators to change over. Your state legislature can enact this into law.
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Rick Scott accusing others of fraud??!!
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Scott says, “We’ve all seen the incompetence and irregularities in vote tabulations in Broward and Palm Beach for years,” he added, “but here we go again. I will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election from the great people of Florida.” the great people of Florida.”
WHY then, have you not fixed the problem? Maybe it's because it worked to your benefit?
Now that it's not, what you really meant is, "I will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election from ME."
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Keep a very close eye on the Florida recounts. Scott and Republicans control all branches of State government and the Broward County under votes speaks volumes of serious shenanigans.
I was surprised on Election night when Broward County, a Democratic stronghold, was not reporting and then seemingly came in flat/no change with Scott ahead statewide.
Warrants investigation.
Now it appears that early voting, mail ballots, etc were not counted in Broward. Not pointing finger at County yet but at State officials who report to the media.
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@JL:
Brenda Snipe, supervisor of elections in Broward County, Florida, has been here before:
"From the Miami Herald today: "Snipes is no stranger to controversy. A court ruled in May that she illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race and the state announced that it would send election experts to Broward County to make sure that laws are followed"
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Why is it that the Florida counties that cannot count the votes are always the heavily Democratic ones?
The Panhandle (Republican counties) was decimated four weeks ago by a hurricane and had no problem counting the votes.
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I know next to nothing about FL but was directed to a FL paper by an article on a totally unrelated topic just a couple of hours ago.
I saw an article about election tension & figured I’d enjoy a distraction from the Dumpster Fire of Trump’s sycophantic Attorney General. Sad.
Mention of different data availability between different counties. I literally know zero about these counties.
My first thought was......perhaps there are significant differences in population between the two counties? (And no, one of them wasn’t Miami, which could potentially provide me with some population information, but not all that much given overall I have minimal knowledge of Florida population distribution across country levels).
Just because certain counties may have more people doesn’t necessarily mean that those countries devote proportionally more financial resources for the purposes of managing elections.
As well, counties with similar total populations but significant differences in voter turnout can affect the quantity of votes being counted.
Lo & behold, the article didn’t get into issues of which party ran the elections in the rapid returns vs. slowpoke counties.
But it did mention what I recall were at least fairly decent differences in population size which may help to at least partially explain the differences.
I believe the article mentioned that in one of the speedy returns counties, that staff and/or volunteers worked through the night tallying votes.
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He reason is because large cities have multi page ballots with populations in the millions.
The governor made sure to understaff these counties so that accurate tallies would be impossible and that they could claim fraud if more detailed counts were required.
Republicans should be ashamed and bend over backwards to make sure all ballots are counted.
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@Ian because Broward and Palm Beach are 5x more populated. More people means more votes to count.
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More votes for governor than for senator? And someone can't guess why?
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Since hanging chads, one would think that state could have learned to count by now. With all the retired CPAs and Wall Street wizards from NYC living down there you’d think their math would be pretty good. I guess once out of the office skills decline quickly. Good reason not to retire.
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My goodness , a hand counted recount in Florida would be interesting. I don't know that there are any shenanigans going on , but it would be great to find out
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Isn't Rick Scott the Governor of the State of Florida? Why doesn't Rick Scott want to follow Florida law with an automatic recount. Is he trying to pull a Jeb Bush and wanting a Supreme Court decision? So many questions as to why certain Republicans in our State of Florida need to cheat to win.
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Here we go again, the Republicans trying to stop a valid vote recount that could cause them to lose. Year 2000 Redux.
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"Cites fraud" implies he has put forth evidence, doesn't it?
Where is it?
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It is astonishing how many people voted for Rick Scott when their beaches are covered with dead marine life due to his policies. I really can’t wrap my mind around it, and I despair for planet earth. What is wrong with them?
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Real story! Why are we even here..he should have been trounced just from pics, not even smells, of all the thousands of fish washed up. Pitiful!
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@Eskibas:
They buy into the fear/ hatred of Trump/ the GOP....
And Rick Scott, with huge amounts of campaign money was on TV constantly during his campaign....fighting the "good fight", with no facts shown....
See: https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/
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As the late Tim Russert pointed out “ Florida Florida Florida “. I wonder if we will be treated to pictures of the squinting person doing a hand count like in 2000. At least no hanging chads.
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@Slr At least we won't have the Dems giving up on the race as Al Gore did. Boy was that a weak move. GOP. Would never have done that
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Why are the dirty tricksters always the Republicans? Between the gerrymandering, preventing Native Americans from voting, relocating polling places, they're doing everything possible to destroy our "democracy." Surely these tactics will backfire when we all vote at the next election...straight Democratic ticket.
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@DHL proof? They are being observed by county canvas elected officials and GOP observers. The ballots are coming from voters - like people in the military. You want our military votes counted, right?
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Florida, Florida, Florida. This is not the first time, a banana Republic cannot count the ballots in the 21st century.
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Talk about power-grabber/greedy republicans. Between what's happening in Florida and Georgia, it seems like you can flout the law, pretend that rules don't exist and declare yourself a winner, completely oblivious of reality. What a complete lack of decency and respect for the law. When I thought we couldn't sink any lower. Utterly depressing
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Why is Florida so incompetent at running elections?
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@Lee Harrison
Heat and humidity.
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@Lee Harrison Simple: It’s a Republican banana republic that still hasn’t gotten its act together at least since the 2000 election. Florida is where democracy retires.
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Fish rots from the head down. Our state has suffered under two terms of Governor Rick Scott's lack of leadership. His idea of a good election is buying it.
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I'm selling my timeshare in Florida. I'll never go back.
Thanks Mr. Red Tide Scott.
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We Floridians ask you help us in our fight rather than abandon us at this critical time. These days most every race is a dead heat. Our red tide will turn blue with the nation's help and support.
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It is outrageous that US politicians - in particular Republican ones - routinely insist they have "won" an election before an *unknown number* of votes outstanding have been counted. if you are incapable of running elections in such a way that counts proceed quickly, then you must wait until all votes are counted, and everyone can be confident they were counted correctly. Everything else is quite simply a power grab.
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After the 2000 vote debacle, I can't say I trust Florida's ability to count ballots. A least from a distance, there seemed to be far too much energy on the Gillum side for a loss. And for that matter, the Abrams loss. Oddly, both candidates helped down ballot. The fact that both lost makes this particularly odd.
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I don't understand the Gillum campaign's decision to concede with the count so close and before all of the votes were counted.
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@Betty
It doesn’t matter if he conceded. A concession is not leaglly binding. If the final vote count shows Gillum won, he will be governor and can look back and smile over his gracious concession speech.
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Dems should prepare to use every legal maneuver available to get a re-count. If they are entitled to a re-count, they should get one. No more Mr. Nice Guy with these Republicans who would stop at nothing if the shoe were on the other foot.
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I cried when Gillum conceded and I don't even live in Florida. I am hopeful the recount puts him in the governor's seat or at least gives me some degree of confidence that all votes cast were properly counted.
Rick Scott, who should be in prison for Medicare fraud, has a lot of nerve accusing anyone of stealing an election.
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@Lynn in DC
Gillum conceding has no legal basis in FL.
At a min a machine recount is required if the vote is within .5% and a hand count within ,25%.
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He used 67 million of his own money in this election! Sad
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Why is Snipes still the election supervisor in Broward county?
If you read the linked Politico article, she clearly disobeyed multiple laws about not destroying the ballots--besides ignoring the ordinary time limits, she ignored the requirements when there is a recount or legal proceedings.
Who appointed her and why is she still there?
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@Talbot she was installed by Jeb. Ask him.
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Apparently, Elias forgot that republicans and their hired guns stole the Gore/Bush election.
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Nelson has been around the block a few times with the Florida Republican Party. Glad he stood his ground and now we may actually see some justice on the Senate, Governor's race and if Republican Caldwell doesn't concede, on the State Agricultural and Consumer Affairs Commissioner race.
De Santis is probably giving a sigh of relief, he got shanghaied into this by Trump. And the Republican majority in the Senate should breathe a sigh of relief if the crook Scott doesn't make it.
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Its Florida so the votes are close -but why in every case they break for the GOP in the end is very unusual. The odds just can not support this. Obviously fixed by the GOP.
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Yep, their rural majority is perfect for them when they claim fraud in giant cities with millions of ballots. You can’t count on the surpreme court to do the right thing either. Welcome to the sleazy world of the gop.
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Time for the Democratic candidates to stop conceding before all the votes are counted. It doesn't make them look magnanimous, it makes them look foolish. Politeness in the face of Republican election shenanigans is no virtues. (The same applies to Republicans, too, but we don't seem to hear as much about large-scale election fraud on the part of the Dems.)
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Ah, Florida. I'm reminded of cellphones that barely functioned and the few people that had them. I'm reminded of tube televisions. I'm reminded of the Y2K scare. I'm reminded of the burgeoning but still very little-known Internet. I'M REMINDED OF THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL RACE and FLORIDA. Votes cannot be properly cast and counted in this country for what reason? Lack of technology or because certain occult powers seek to undermine our democracy and disenfranchise voters? What do YOU think, folks?
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@ManhattanWilliam
Heat and humidity. Warps paper ballots, short-circuits electronics.
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For more than one month before the election we requested - twice - absentee ballots from Sarasota County because that’s where we are registered to vote. We are Democrats. The ballots were never mailed to us. How many other dirty tricks did Republican henchmen pull?
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@Allen Polk
Same here . . . that is, we requested absentee ballots from Sarasota County too, however we received ours. But then we're registered Independents.
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Republican or Democrat. No one here in Florida has any idea of the policies Desantis supports. He doesn't know!
He is not qualified.
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Apparently, the Times's policy is to broadcast any baseless, slanderous claim issued by the Republicans without comment.
The allegation that Sen. Nelson is trying to steal the race by allowing a mandated recount and not conceding ahead of time, offers no factual basis. My recollection is that the Republicans are more noted for election theft in Florida, and tried forever a year to steal an election in Minnesota, disfranchising citizens of that state who had voted for Sen. Franken.
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@KM Red Tide Rick is projecting when he accuses Mr. Nelson of "stealing."
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How convenient that the vote for Senator was easily missed because of its placement on the ballot!
Shades of the "misplacement" of a punched hole vote location for Pat Buchanan slightly off from a punched hole vote location for Al Gore in 2000. (I think I'm remembering it correctly)
In my gut, I suspect there was voter fraud and voter suppression in Florida. Dirty tricks.
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@Mimi, Broward County is dominated by the Democrats and has a Democratic supervisor of elections in Ms. Snipes. As this article reports, "some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used by the country played a role. . ." As Orlando Sentinel reports today, Orange County and other places in Florida used a ballot with instructions printed in a different way, that was clearer.
So the question is who designed the ballot in Broward County? Who has the power to determine what the ballot would be? Was it dirty tricks by Republicans? But it's not clear it was Republicans. I have no idea but given control of Broward County it seems just as likely that it might have been Democrats in control like Ms. Snipes?
Was it Democratic Party incompetence in Broward, instead of dirty tricks? Or was it even dirty tricks by Democrats in Broward, anticipating exactly this scenario and a chance to sew doubt with the election? We really just don't know. Would love for an investigative reporter to get down there and tell us the story of who actually designed the Broward County ballot and approved its selection?
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I’m counting the days until my kid graduates and I can get out of this god forsaken state.
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@Mary
I am with you Mary. I have been counted since my kids enter High School. Two years gone two more to go. The Eldest has one more. I have taken up daily meditations just to get by everyday here with my sanity intact.
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@Anthony Romano 3 1/2 years for me. And I’m on meds too. Hang in there brother.
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@Anthony Romano 3 1/2 years for me. And I’m on meds too. Hang in there brother.
I misread meditations as medications !!
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Recounts rarely change an outcome, but there’s hope. Rick Scott will make Ted Cruz and Rand Paul look like stable geniuses.
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@William Leptomane remember this isn’t a recount yet. They still haven’t finished counting votes in Broward or Palm Beach. Lots of mail in and early votes still to count. Then it’s a recount
I'm from Brevard County in Florida, where literally hundreds of volunteers have been working since March week after week, door to door, to get amendment and candidate petitions signed, voters registered, vote by mail ballots applied for, and people to the polls. All of it by the book and above board.
If we hadn't worked so hard, it wouldn't be this close.
I say, bring in the lawyers to monitor the process. And count every vote because every vote counts.
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I'm on the west coast and although we are deep red, we (the Dems) worked day and night for Gillum. The buzz was everywhere and blue yard signs like I've never seen here.
I hoped for the best but have little faith for results or process.
I agree with the other Floridian in the comment section. Let's get the lawyer's involved.
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To add to your comments, which as a fellow Floridian, I agree with; lets think about Ammendment 4 that passed restoring felons voting rights.
Are we supposed to be that a person who voted for Desantis also an advocate for felons. I find that hard to understand.
These numbers don't add up.
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And this:
“The lead in the agriculture commissioner race flipped on Thursday afternoon: Nikki Fried, a Democrat, moved ahead of Matt Caldwell, a Republican, by 575 votes.”
I find it hard to believe someone who supported a Democrat for Ag Commissioner - AG COMMISSIONER! -wouldn’t also vote Dem for Gov and Sen.
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I find it ironic for Republicans to call foul play. Two possibly illegitimate Presidents, which resulted in 4 possibly illegitimate Supreme Court justices. One stolen justice by Mitch McConnell. Two Secretaries of State supervising elections that they themselves are running in. Dozens, if not hundreds of instances of voter suppression throughout the country. Foul play? Elections aren't over until the last ballot is counted, which is why George W. was illegitimate. Democrats cannot afford to be gentlemen and gentlewomen anymore.
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@karisimo0
I do not think that the word “stealing” is allowed in the Republican lexicon. I think Kelly Anne has the most accurate defintion of “alternative facts.”
If Republican candidates say they’ve won how could anyone question them since they, and our pathological liar of a president, have only the most honorable intentions?
Like Putin for example.
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@karisimo0
When the 2000 ballots were finally counted by an independent party Bush won.
@Jonathan Katz Show us the evidence from reliable sources.
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Keep the Bush family away from the recount and the Supreme Court.
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Republicans in Florida rapping about stolen elections takes the cake. Count the votes.
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I faxed my Broward Cty ballot from Italy at least 2 1/2 weeks before the election.The ballot was troubling and unnecessarily complicated.Perhaps most people living outside of the Southeastern part of the state don’t realize that it is written in 3 languages.Mine was sent to me,I had to fill it out on line,then download it and either mail or fax it.It cost me 13 euros to fax!! That is almost $17. No surprise that so few people vote!
I have no idea if my vote was counted.It was faxed successfully so I am hoping it was counted.I just sent an email to Broward Cty. requesting information.I hope it is positive and Gillum becomes our governor!!
Wouldn’t it be nice if the process were less complicated? Fewer issue,fewer pages and special forms for electronic ballots instead of a facsimile of a paper ballot which was 17 pages long!
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@Expat How true. For all those not from Florida, we have developed a long tradition of lots of Amendments. That apparently evolved from routinely being ignored by our representatives. We are unique--how many states constitutionally protect pregnant pigs?
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@Expat
Never trust a facs machine. They fail about half the time, but never give any indication that they have failed.
@Mary Believe it or not, we in Arizona passed a ballot initiatives protecting pigs, not necessarily pregnant ones, but the amount of room each pig needs in its cage.
But 17 pages is excessive, and why wouldn't the Senate seat be at the very left top of the ballot? That is really strange.
I read that Mr. Scott used $40 million of his own dollars for this race.
Perhaps he's about to find out that not everything is for sale.
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@Panthiest - But George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, and Tom Steyer may have found out the opposite - since their $100 million+ in combined contributions to Democratic candidates may well have bought the party the House.
I thought you guys were opposed to big money campaign contributions from mega donors - or does that only apply to Republicans?
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We’re mainly thinking of the ones who get handed a sweet $300 mil golden handshake after they’ve led their health care company into admitting to fraud and a $1.4 billion dollar fine.
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@Robert - in truth you're not thinking of that at all. The Democratic Party's campaign against big money in politics was based solely on what it considered the corrupting influence of big (Republican) donors - regardless of personal or legal issues. If big money doesn't belong in politics, application of that principle must apply across the board. (And I assume you acknowledge Senator Menendez's ethics issues, and thought his re-election in NJ was a travesty.)
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What Trump has brought to the forefront but not new to America,but always condemned is it is not how (ethically) played the game ,do whatever it takes to win the game. Americans fight back! It is not winning that has made America great,it is how you play the game. We fought the English because we weren't treated equal ,we wanted Justice! Donald Trump ,it is not about winning,it is about Justice! Every vote counts! Let's see everyone out tonight in support of "No One is above the law". Show American justice is more important than Trump. God help us save America from tyranny!
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Oh, yeah, I feel real confident that Florida will handle the recounts professionally and ethically. Just look at their past performance.
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We now need others to oversee our elections because we are too corrupt to manage this process. Think about that and that it only happens in states lead by republicans
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@Deirdre Interesting to compare it to the system here in the UK, though it has to be acknowledged that folks here are nowhere near as politicised as in the US - people don't "identify" as supporting one party or another and personal politics is very much a private matter (save for "Brexit", on which everyone seemed happy to express their opinion). An independent commission draws up election zones based on population and geography, and votes are counted by volunteers (all voting is by paper ballots) - never any question of asking a volunteer which side they support. My British friends are incredulous at the thought that one party can fix voting districts, manage voter rolls and set down rules for elections.
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“Florida’s being Florida,” as Representative Charlie Crist put it." (from Nov. 7th NYT article)...snide and stupid.
If it takes a recount to determine the true winner, then that's what it takes.
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Florida, I've defended you repeatedly. Don't make me Sorry. I demand a complete recount of ALL the Voting in the State, or I'll be taking my Vacation dollars elsewhere, FOREVER. Do it, or WE Boycott.
Seriously.
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If we elected the President by popular vote, we could have national recounts! Shudder!
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If there is a recount for Senators.... Scott's statement calling Nelson's campaign "Sad and Embarrassing" cd be used against Scott to show Scott's Campaign as sad and embarrassing for being self righteous and quick to judge before all the facts are known.
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Please remember that the New York Times and the Miami Herald and St Petersburg Times spent $14,000,000 to hand count Gore-Bush with the tally changing by less than 10 votes. Even though Michael Moore still talks about the ineptitude of Florida. With 30,000 votes separating the senate race and more for the governor don’t get your hopes up.
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Still doesn't address the so-called butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County, whose misalignment led to the "Jews for Buchanan" phenomenon.
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@JamesIt's Actually it's already down to 17,000 votes since yesterday...and they say there are still thousands of ballots unaccounted for.
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@Lorem Ipsum
That butterfly ballot was in Palm Beach County -- a Democratically controlled county with a Democratic supervisor of elections that designed that ballot.
Mr. Scott, seems to be unclear on the concept of Democracy. EVERY legal vote counts. That means ALL votes must be counted. Counting every vote is NOT resorting to "low tactics". It's how Democracy works.
I will be writing to his office directly, to provide him with a little reminder. Real letters, written on paper, and sent via USPS, get a lot more attention than emails and online petitions. I encourage others to write.
https://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/
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“Let’s be clear: When Elias says ‘win,’ he means ‘steal,’” Mr. Scott’s campaign said. “It is sad and embarrassing that Bill Nelson would resort to these low tactics after voters have clearly spoken.”
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Americans think they invented democracy, and like to lecture the world about how our system is the best.
Then we conduct elections like third world despots - see Georgia's governor's race being overseen by one of the candidates, see lost and poorly designed ballots, and state elections secretary's running a partisan campaign.
Scott says the voters have "clearly spoken". Is he that stupid, or does he think we are? An election closer than a hair apart and he calls the result "clear" ?? - in a state known for suppression, sloppiness, and shenanigans?
If Florida was a sovereign nation it (and Georgia) would need U.N. oversight to claim legitimacy.
Scott's disdain for real democracy and his campaign's insults towards Nelson should disqualify him from public office.
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@Space needle
Scott's disdain has disqualified him, for at least half the voters, but unfortunately there are far too many Republicans that do not understand they vote against their own interests. And boycotting Florida may be a great way to get the attention of voters. We would be lost without visitors...and paying a lot more in taxes.
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The fact that Scott has won multiple times in Florida says that people here are not paying attention. Scott has decimated our schools, our health systems, and the enviroment.
He came into the game as a criminal and what he's done to Florida is criminal.
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Are the Replicans looking for help from Pam Bondi - the Florida official who dismissed the case against Trump University, the outrageous scam perpetrated by Liar in Chief. And then she got a big payoff from Trump (or maybe from his charitable foundation?).
Can't go anywhere near FL politics without a gas mask to limit the smell.
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How anyone can vote for Rick Scott is beyond me. He does not want everyone's vote counted but he he has no problem stealing government money. He was made a millionaire from Medicaid fraud and pleaded the fifth many times over. And he gets the people he defrauded to vote for him because they think he has their conservative values. Florida deserves its lot. It is now a Red state and one I will not be going to anytime soon.
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Not sure why Andrew Gallum conceded so quickly. Surely his staff must have given him better advise than that.
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I know the Democrats are going to have a lot of time on their hands in January, but I hope they seriously investigate voter suppression in the South and on Indian reservations. And any voting irregularities, particularly in those states where those "monitoring" the vote were also running for office.
Something just doesn't feel right with these votes. If they are all on the up-and-up, both Republicans and Democrats should want their voters to know that.
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It's 3:13 p.m. EST as I write this, and the Times' board of live results for the governors' races is showing that the margin between DeSantis and Gillum has shrunk to just 0.4 points, putting it within the recount threshold too.
I was hoping for Gillum and Nelson to win their races. But before they decide to proceed with recounts, they should consider the following. Nelson, at last report, still trails by nearly 22,000 votes. Gillum, at last report, still trails by nearly 39,000 votes. What is the likelihood that a recount will change enough of the tally to change the outcome of either race? In 2000 the difference was only 537 votes. Likewise, in the Minnesota Senate recount of 2008-09 (one that Republicans are still sore about to this very day), the difference was in the hundreds of votes (Franken won by just 312 votes, I believe), not in the thousands, let alone the tens of thousands.
If the Gillum and Nelson campaigns really and truly believe that the gap is one that can be closed with a recount, then by all means, go for it. Of course, if the county totals that come in on Saturday show an even greater narrowing, then that would bolster their case. For now, though, it would be wise, I think, to temper enthusiasm and to be realistic about the prospects.
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@Rick
I believe that Gillum and Nelson are looking for votes that have yet to be counted - mail-ins and provisional ballots. Supposedly there are a lot of these in Broward and Miami-Dade counties, Democratic strongholds. These ballots could make them the winners!
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@Rick
Surely you would be in favor of a recount if Scott and DeSantis were down. Regardless, shouldn't every Floridian's vote be counted?
@Lynn in DC Lynn, as I wrote above, I was hoping for Gillum and Nelson to both win. My point is that if they're still trailing by a 5-figure vote margin when the recount starts, we shouldn't put much hope in the possibility that a recount would erase that deficit for either man. The county totals that come in tomorrow would have to show a narrowing of the margin to the low 4 figures, if not to the 3 figures, for me to think that a recount could push either of them over the top.
Nobody knows yet who won the Senate, but Scott is clearly prepared to start lawyering if he comes in behind Nelson. He could have dispensed with the diatribe about stealing the election. After all, the voters have spoken—persuading them is to no account; furthermore, judges, political types, and lawyers are far too hardheaded to be persuaded by this kind of malarkey, ne pas?
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If the Republicans really won these elections fair and square, then why are they so afraid of a recount that they resort to name calling and slander? Something smells fishy in the Sunshine State.
This also goes to show that the firewall between the party in power and the election process needs to be high and wide. And, before anybody thinks I only mean Republican-run states, that includes the state I reside in, New York. Elections are too important to leave them to elected politicians to manage. Fox guarding the henhouse and all that.
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@Pete in Downtown Good take. I wish your final sentence had been, Fox (news) guarding the hehhouse...
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@Mr. JJ Thanks! I am afraid the "Fox" you're referring to has gone rabid for quite a while now.
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Scott learned well from his mentor and instructor, (Trump), how to demean others on day 1 of post election with the comment "In a statement on Thursday, the Scott team called Mr. Elias “a hired gun from Washington, D.C., who will try to win an election for Nelson that Nelson has already lost.” Scott should be banned from all political offices, as should all who demean there opponents as Trump does.
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My ballot, in Palm Beach County, did not have a space for a vote for Congress. When I called the office of the Supervisor of Elections, Susan Bucher to ask why, I was put on hold for 15 minutes, then told they didn't know why it wasn't there.
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The spirit of Theresa LePore lives on.
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@Phil Rubin
interesting. Please keep sharing your story since I’m sure others in PBC noticed but didn’t follow up.
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@Phil Rubin I live in Palm Beach county. Lois Frankel who is a Democratic representative in the House of Representatives ran unopposed and so was not on the ballot.
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Bill Nelson could be the winner if substantial ballots remain to be counted in Briward county notwithstabdibg an election this close involving the Republucan governor of the state.
The state of politics in this country especially as practiced by Republicans is making me ill. The voter suppression tactics, abuse of power and racist language in GA and FL should make any American recoil.
"The Scott team called Mr. Elias “a hired gun from Washington, D.C., who will try to win an election for Nelson that Nelson has already lost.”
“Let’s be clear: When Elias says ‘win,’ he means ‘steal,’” Mr. Scott’s campaign said. “It is sad and embarrassing that Bill Nelson would resort to these low tactics after voters have clearly spoken.”
What is clearly sad is that the sitting governor pretends not to know the statute that demands an automatic recount in this situation. And that he declared victory before it was anything but certain. He now cruelly impugns the integrity of a decent public servant when it his own integrity that might be suspect.
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Very glad to see a recount/final assessment will be done on behalf of Gillum and Nelson. The state of Florida has been plagued with far too much corruption when it comes to the voting process. I am sorry to hear, however, that the format of the ballot was so strange that it may have led to certain citizens failing to pick their senator. I find that very strange to begin with....
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“Let’s be clear: When Elias says ‘win,’ he means ‘steal,’” Mr. Scott’s campaign said. “It is sad and embarrassing that Bill Nelson would resort to these low tactics after voters have clearly spoken.”
This is just belligerent, self-reverential, and irresponsible. It shows how callous this guy is of the public interest. When there is a margin of 0.22% the voters have hardly *clearly* spoken. It's as ambiguous as it can get, and there are *legal* processes in place for these situations. The only thing that is clearly being spoken is his contempt for the law and Florida voters. People like him don't belong in public service. But of course, it isn't public service the right wing is interested in.
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As a FL voter, I want every vote counted, and recounted as necessary. Democracy is too important to let hacks and naysayers have the upper hand.
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"Let’s be clear: When Elias says ‘win,’ he means ‘steal,’” Mr. Scott’s campaign said. “It is sad and embarrassing that Bill Nelson would resort to these low tactics after voters have clearly spoken.”
How is making sure every vote is counted is a "low tactic?" How exactly is Elias going to steal the election when the recount is automatically initiated? And how can Skeletor possibly claim that the voters have "clearly spoken" when there's less than 1/2 a percentage point separating the vote?
Are there any honest republican politicians anymore?
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@Mary, please feel free to provide evidence of wide spread voter fraud. There’s plenty of evidence that Republicans are doing everything they can to suppress the vote.
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@Patty O Not to mention that just in 24 hrs they have managed to find thousands of missing votes.
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@Nicole King
It is not unusual for provisional ballots and mail-in ballots to be counted after Election Day. I can understand voters not knowing this but it is embarrassing for the governor to appear not to understand how elections work in his own state or what the state election laws are.
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If the final tally before a recount should put Nelson over Scott, which is still a reasonable possibility, I wonder if Scott will be calling for a recount.
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As a California native and voter, I am flabbergasted about the ballot design issues that seem to re-occur in Florida. I'm glad they returned to paper ballots given the issues leading to the non-count in 2000, but I am amazed how the two Republican politicians in these races saying that they can ignore and should ignore any ballots that were not already counted and also that the Florida law should not be followed for recounts!
We are a divided state in many ways like Florida with areas that regularly vote Republican and areas that regularly vote Democratic and areas that vary. Unlike Florida, every county and the state government here encourage citizens to vote and ballot design encourages voting. Are our ballots long? Very frequently! Are they two sided? Yes. Would it be better if they were printed only on one side? Possibly.
I pray for the sake of our country that we all can agree that voting is a right, just like our constitution states and that we can vigorously encourage both voting and promulgation of useful knowledge to help voters make intelligent choices.
Thank you to all of those who worked for and died for the rights we often take for granted.
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I am a Broward County resident, and the first thing I noticed about the ballot was that the location for choice of Senator was at the bottom left hand side of the ballot, beneath the ballot instructions, where it could be easily missed. I had to search for it. No wonder there were 25,000 fewer votes cast for the Senate race than for the governor. The choice for governor was at the top of the first page where it was easily seen, and most likely many people thought that the ballot began at the top, which makes sense. It was almost as if the Senate race was "burried" under the ballot instructions at the bottom of the page.
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I remember what a Florida official said during the time when pizza delivery guys were handing out toxic mortgages: When something is too good to be true, Floridians want in on it. The state just oozes integrity. Who will be counting?
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@arp
Clearly, by voting DeSantis Florida has also chosen an outspoken racist as their potential Governor. Integrity? yeah Right. Since many of these outdated voting machines don't have a paper back-up and the machine manufacturers don't allow third parties to get in to their machines to check them, how is a recount done in these states?
It is preposterous and just ripe for corruption.
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@arp:
Another snide, stupid unhelpful remark.
Do you live or have you ever lived in Florida? I have lived here my entire life and Floridians are no more or less honest than any other random group of citizens.
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Why is it Republicans don't want people's votes to be counted? Is it they are not the majority voice of the people of the US? Is it they are afraid of reality?
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@ajarnDB. No, they feel that only they are entitled to wield power and will do anything it takes to get it. That's their reality.
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@ajarnDB
Not really.
They are concerned about the usual Democrat vote counting shenanigans, though.
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@ajarnDB They create their own reality. Dontcha know?
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Who's going to do the recounting is what I'd like to know?
And who will be watching the recounting?
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@Majortrout
And who will be watching the watchers watching the recounting?
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At what point does it become cost effective for Florida to update its voting system so that expensive recounts are not necessary.Every state has a system but in this age when we can send an email to someone in Australia, you would think that it would be possible to record the vote of every person who voted.Finding lost absentee ballots and "provisional" ballots is not acceptable in this high tech era.Google can find you anywhere on earth- why can Florida and a few other states not find ballots which have dutifully been cast by its citizens ?Voting should be easy and counting the ballots should be foolproof.As citizens we need to insist on this!
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@JanetMichael Agreed. Here it is 2 days after the election and in my state only 94% of the cities and towns have tabulated and reported their votes in a very hotel contested House race.
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@JanetMichael:
How is voting done in your state?
In Florida where I've lived my entire life, we can vote by mail, vote early or vote on voting day.
The ballot this time seemed no more or less confusing than any other time.
In the Governor's race, the difference between the two candidates is .047%....so what would YOU do to figure out who truly won?
CHEATING by members of certain parties in place to do so, can't (probably) ever be completely stopped.
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@RLiss
0.47%. The location of the decimal point matters.
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Oh those chads!
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Rick Scott’s hack calling Sen Nelson sad is the pot calling the kettle black. The gap narrows to a near manual recount level and we are just supposed to crown Scott Senator. How very Trumpian. Just say something over and over like it is true. Well, Red Tide Rick ,let the votes be counted.
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After Scott called Nelson "Sad". How Trumpian. Since then the race has narrowed considerably. Republicans don't want you to vote, and then don't want your vote counted once you have. This is contempt for the electorate. Trumpian.
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Hanging chads, anyone? Or have they changed the ballot? Whatever, I'm sure there'll be something else this time around.
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Your question is answered in the article.
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@NYCLugg:
As a life long Floridian:
The ballot this time seemed no more or less confusing than any other time.
In the Governor's race, the difference between the two candidates is .047%....so what would YOU do to figure out who truly won?
CHEATING by members of certain parties in place to do so, can't (probably) ever be completely stopped.
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@RLiss
The ballot in Broward County was very confusing. Also, Broward County is not done counting the votes.
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