‘Better Call Saul’ Season 4, Episode 8: Snookered

Sep 24, 2018 · 112 comments
Dheep P' (Midgard)
Aha - just realized - someone may be correct when they said Kim is doing time (later). She most likely will be caught up when the slipped in Lubbock Plans get discovered. can't believe that is going to fly in the end
O W (ISRAEL)
Am I the only one who sees resemblance between Kim and Skyler?
Nick (NYC)
@O W Yes
jona (CA)
I think Jimmy was going all out for Huell because Huell was defending him. And Kim went all out because she was afraid Jimmy was on the verge of doing something even worse. So it escalated. Using office supplies.
DonB (Annapolis MD)
While on the bus, it sure looked like Jimmy was licking the envelop of every Huell-support letter mailed from Coushatta, LA. His DNA was therefore on every piece of mail in the ADA's office and -- if ever so examined for trace genetic clues -- could easily blow the entire support scam wide open. Maybe it does, and Kim goes down for it.
Joshua Greenberg (Towson, Maryland)
Remember that this new Salamanca’s nickname is “Lalo.” You may also remember that in Breaking Bad when Walt and Jesse “hire” Saul in the middle of the desert, adorned with masks, Saul was concerned that these men might have been sent by a Lalo (“No Lalo?”). So whoever this man is, we can be sure that his story will dramatically intersect with Saul’s, and may not be entirely resolved by the end of the series.
Jeanne Wheeler (San Francisco, CA)
Interesting that Lalo is played by Tony Dalton who stars in a hit HBO series, now in its fourth season, “Senor Avila”. Sr. Avila starts out as a life insurance salesman in Mexico City and part-time hit man who becomes a don. There is a nice reference to Breaking Bad in that the passage of time is shown as speeded up views of Mexico City just as they did with Albuquerque.
Joe (Hickory)
So, when Saul is bugging out right before Mr. Disappear takes him away, who did he call as he walked outside his office? I thought it might have been Kim. I might have missed something.
Matt GM (Cortland, NY)
Re: Why would they risk this for Huell? Folks, let's not forget that Huell's the guy who pick-pocketed Chuck's phone and ensured Jimmy's victory at the hearing. Jimmy's got plenty of reason to keep Huell free and happy and loyal. And if they worked together on that one, they likely worked together before -- I don't see Jimmy just trusting any old pick-pocket for that one.
Irwin C (Saratoga Springs, N.Y.)
@Matt GM The Chuck encounter was their first "deal." Huell was recommended for the job by the crooked vet.
Matt GM (Cortland, NY)
@Irwin C That's right. Funny, after I posted that, it dawned on me that maybe I was forgetting something. Thanks.
BooksAboutMovies (Toronto, Ontario)
It's entirely possible I'm missing something that's been said that makes it impossible, but it seems to me that they may be setting Kim up for her own show. The Kim Con or somesuch. It may be designed to start at the end of Breaking Bad, where she and Saul meet again when he's on the run.
cg (chicago)
@BooksAboutMovies If it's another Vince Gilligan production, I'm in!
jona (CA)
@BooksAboutMovies - I hope so.
david cox (minneapolis)
The Mesa Verde discussion is a setup to test Kim, they will have run their request by an outside attorney who says it's feasible.
Glengarry (USA)
Kim just thinks she got over on the ADA. I'm betting that one's coming back to bite her. She's like the moth that wants to fly close to the light. She enjoys the thrill of going outside the lines because she seems to find the mundane unbearable. That makes her reckless. Jimmy on the other hand is a natural born con so living on the edge is natural for him. These two are a co-dependent disaster in the making. All the Germans get whacked AFTER they get the lab built and Nacho scoots to Canada.
Gary Canter (Portland, Maine)
So two episodes left and apparently I'm still the only watcher in the room who thinks this series is going nowhere slooooowwww-ly, and Vince Gilligan and his team are struggling with immense sophomore slump (or, more likely, they were one-hit wonders with BB). Don't get me wrong - I put BB in the pantheon of TV dramas and that's why I've kept coming back to BCS, which IMHO has gone downhill every season since it's debut. I find this year interminable. The Kim - Jimmy relationship is nonsensical (was that actually a SEX SCENE they shared last night???? - yecccch - did the writers and casters never hear of Chemistry???? - pun intended). The random side-stories: Hummel theft! Huell must go free!! Cell phones for sale!!! Interviewing master meth lab subterranean diggers!!!!! Human pinatas!!!!!!! Gag me with a spoon - there's no relevance to any of these digressions. Just a stylized way to fill 42 minutes, or whatever the length is. Sorry to be such a downer but the BB style and long fades and attention to detail is here on BCS in full display, only it's missing one critical element: a cohesive story worth watching. One of the worst shows on TV, and the con is on us viewers.
Isophobe (Winston-Salem, NC)
@Gary Canter Alright, already, so quit watching and binge on another session of BB.
Joshua Greenberg (Towson, Maryland)
I wholeheartedly disagree. I don’t think you’ve made a case for any of the things you listed being isolated from each other. One thing we know for sure about Gilligan’s shows is that they are heavily driven by the development of the characters, and every step he takes deliberately establishes another dimension to the character’s evolution. The piñatas, in my opinion, were about Saul’s empowerment. He was regaining the respect that he felt he had lost by going straight. It is also important to keep in mind that this is a standalone show, and not just a lead-in to Breaking Bad. You can’t have an entire series be just a prologue. I understand that from the point of view of a BB viewer, it can feel like waiting for Godot, but watching it as a show on its own has helped me fight that impatience of “when is X going to happen?” It’s important to remember that few other shows are bogged down by those kinds of expectations because few other shows have such a widely-known end result.
marty (andover, MA)
The current timeline is somewhere in mid to late 2004, still a few years from the start of BB in 2008 or 2009. Thus the Superlab is still a few years from completion as we know Gail was "employed" to put the machinery in place just before Walt joined him to begin cooking the meth. How do they explain such a long gap in the completion since Mike appears to believe the lab will be completed sometime in the "near future" in this episode of Saul? It appears something catastrophic had to have occurred.
Ben (Toronto)
@marty Are you sure that Breaking Bad actually started in 2008? I know the series debuted that year, but I always thought it was set in the recent past, given the tech (flip phones all around!) and other contextual clues. I do see most websites go with the 2008-2010 timeline, but I am not clear where that comes from.
Polemic (Madison Ave and 89th)
I liked the name of one of the Free Will Baptist church special ministries, "Breaking Bread: Community Communion."
liberalnlovinit (United States)
I think I finally have a theory as to why we never saw Kim Wexler in "Breaking Bad," and that theory comes out of tonight's episode: She's doing five to ten in the New Mexico Correctional Institution for Women. Yep, she got so deep into the scams, and she got caught. Maybe it was related to Mesa Verde. She most definitely was disbarred. Jimmy got away scot free, but he had to change his name for good to disassociate himself from her.
IMPROV (NY)
An aha! moment. Our reviewer has suggested a possibility for Kim which perhaps few of us guessed. Maybe there is no tragic fate awaiting and she is ultimately the never-seen (in Breaking Bad) gal pal of Saul Goodman. Which might lend an interesting angle for playing out Jimmy's current-day Cinnabon existence. Whither the story in the remaining episodes? In BCS Mike is not the cold-blooded killer we see in BB. He sacrificed his body to try and get Tuco put away. I think that murdering the German construction crew will be Mike's crossing the Rubicon. I just have this sense that the crew is going to meet the same fate as the diggers of the secret grave in the original Karloff version of The Mummy. They are speared from behind, and their killers -and several successions - are further murdered to keep the location of the tomb secret.
cg (chicago)
@IMPROV Could see one of Fring's henchmen killing the Germans, but not Mike. Mike is much less a cold-blooded killer and rather more a strategist/fixer/pragmatist.
JD (Boise)
@cg Agreed. My guess is Gus will cause some kind of carbon monoxide "accident". Mike would never participate but once it is done, he would help dispose of the bodies.
floorbird (Toronto)
It was Kim's idea( a better one) that got Saul on his trip down south. Episode 7 showed Kim buying pens, highlighters and writing pads, aiding Saul in springing Huell. Kim's influence on Saul is not for the better and vice versa.
Retired58 (Minn)
I think Kim new found sense of adventure is going to get her into so much trouble the she is going to be one who needs Mr Disappear. That’s how Jimmy becomes familiar with him. Perhaps even something involving Nacho and Salamancas. Or ?Gus and Mike???
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
Hey, Fans...I have lost track of what year it is in better Call Saul. But it’s still before the sub-prime mortgage blow-up and the bank failures of 2008, is it not? Given that Mesa Verde is building flashy banks all over the place, it seems to me that this must be a build-up to the crash.
Joe (DeKalb IL)
@Passion for Peaches We're in early 2004.
Warren Parsons (Colorado)
Kim does not like braggarts (Ken) or racists(ADA) and has no problem colluding with Jimmy to give them their comeuppance. The ADA, Suzanne Ericsen, meted out lighter sentences for Caucasian defendants and harsher sentences for less severe crimes to minority defendants. This made Suzanne fair game for the "letters fromCoushatta' ruse. Because Chuck deviously set Jimmy up with the tape recorder at his house, in her moral universe, she had no problem taking him down at the bar hearing. She also seems weary of the bragging, greedy Mesa Verde Trust President Kevin Wachtell. Kim hasn't broke bad. She has a strong moral compass and an overwhelming desire to bring the fat cats and bullies to their knees. Kim, who is not motivated by money. is the antithesis of Walter White. However, it could cost her everything.
Gabriel (Philadelphia)
@Warren Parsons Excellent insight. I find it to be about 90% accurate, although I do believe that she is allured by the thrill of the "art of the deal" (read: con). Kim may very well wind up so intoxicated by fervor that her view of her moral compass becomes hazy, leading her astray. She's extremely driven, almost compulsively so, and has issues with going beyond the brink ( e.g. her car crash). While it seems that she's now able to put herself first by refusing to bend over backwards for the sake of incessant corporate expansion, who's to say that the same inner forces which impelled her breakdown aren't simply steering her towards something a little more exciting? That desire may have blinded her to Jimmy's attempts to start anew: it appeared as though Jimmy may have been about to go on the straight and narrow for Kim, but now he's got a complicit partner.
Warren Parsons (Colorado)
@Gabriel Good Call! I agree, Even though Kim feels justified in cutting those deserving down to size, the cons Jimmy snd her pull off, make her feel alive like nothing else does. We should have seen it coming. Great story telling by Gilligan and Co.
Robert McEvily (The Bronx)
PREDICTION (and Potential Spoiler Alert - DO NOT READ if You Don't Want This Prediction to Potentially Spoil Your Viewing Experience): Again we see Crazy-8 in the Mexican money-drop restaurant. He's the guy Walt strangled to death in Jesse's basement (S1 of BB). We found out later in BB that Crazy-8 was secretly a DEA informant. The prediction... Won't be long now (I say this season): We're gonna see Hank Schrader (Dean Norris) turn up on BCS.
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
@Robert McEvily ha ha ha.........and love that idea. I have been waiting for Hank since first episode.
Kate (Miami)
I agree - the Huell plot was baffling. Why do they risk all for that dimwitted dirtbag? But it makes Kim's turn to the dark side even more shocking: There's really no justifying it, like if she had done this for a more "worthy" criminal client. Now I'm wondering if we don't lose her because she casts crooked Jimmy out, but gets arrested and disbarred herself!
Sharon C. (New York)
Wasn’t Jimmy’s story about the church fire reminiscent of Chucks demise? I think the DA knows she’s been had, and this will spell trouble for Kim down the road. I hope Kim disappears and meets up with Jimmy in Nebraska at the end of the series. The Germans will be mixed into the cement.
cagy (Palm Springs, CA)
I've been giving a lot of thought on how this series (not the season) will end. I imagine we'll get a view of Walter and Jesse's first visit to Saul or his introduction to them via Mike or Gus? As for the german construction crew- I watched Gus's face when Mike assures him he's got Warner in line, and I can't help but imagine the entire construction crew, being entombed in those reinforced concrete walls once the blasting's done. Loose lips sink Gus's ship, and he'll take no chances. For that matter the guys Warner talked to at the bar, should watch their backs too. Nacho coming home to his stable of hooker girlfriends, who live with him in his 'our man Flint' bachelor pad, with great art, hidden safes and big windows- not a man trying to hide from anyone. No mention of Hector this week. Don't recall if the rodent free proposed office shown at shows end, is in the strip mall where Better Call Saul Goodman esquire hangs his BB hat? Agree that Lalo is definitely Nacho's Neegan; trouble.
Seatant (New York, NY)
@cagy Saul's first appearance on BB was when Badger was busted - I don't think there would have been a reason for Walter or Jesse to meet before then.
Jeanne Wheeler (San Francisco, CA)
I don’t think Kim is breaking bad now; she broke bad years ago, perhaps in childhood. Her capers with Jimmy are a natural high that pull her out of depression, albeit temporarily. IMHO, OCD can be more devastating than we realize. I had to stop to change a comma to a colon in this comment.
CKent (Florida)
@Jeanne Wheeler OCD indeed. It was a semicolon, not a colon, and it was the right choice of punctuation.
Matt GM (Cortland, NY)
I'm going to keep saying it: Saul has "Slippin' Jimmy," and maybe Kim has a past, too. If we're lucky, we'll get to see it. Her response last night wasn't all that surprising to me; her far-seeing looks recently, her open defiance of the judge telling her to keep out of his courtroom ... not to mention her happy willingness in previous scams with Jimmy. Also, she's so much like Jimmy-Saul: These things happen with her when someone has shown her how despicable the world can be. When she's appalled at someone else acting so shabbily. The assistant prosecutor has flat-out offended her, and offended her sense of the legal world. So, while I was surprised that she jumped Jimmy's bones (I, too, thought she was getting ready to dump him), I was not surprised to learn that she enjoyed the scam and its outcome. And who knows: Maybe as it all unfolds, we'll find out that deep down, Kim's even worse than Saul. Maybe she's not in BB because .... Well, I guess the possibilities are many, with that one.
JDLawyer (Vancouver Island)
@Matt GM Did anyone else think the judge’s reaction to Kim’s presence was, seemingly, unwarranted (or, given the trajectory of this show “presently unexplained”)? I’m wondering if there is a history there (perhaps one that Ive missed) and that Kim I saw on her way to getting even with the judge who wronged her or someone she cared about.
Matt GM (Cortland, NY)
@JDLawyer A few episodes ago, a fellow viewer on here suggested that this judge was somehow a player in something that Kim didn't like, that maybe he was involved in some kind of scheme with Mesa Verde (this was after that first revelation that Kim might not be happy with the Mesa Verde progression). Seemed like maybe Kim was on to him somehow, and he wanted to be rid of her. Who knows? At this point, I'm thinking it might be that she truly is just interested in doing the P.D. work, but who knows?
JDLawyer (Vancouver Island)
@Matt GM His initial reaction was pretty vehement which seemed to be unwarranted. When she reappeared in his court the next day (it seemed), he backed off. The initial reaction seemed to be a threat which he was reluctant to follow up on. That sequence suggests his threat, met by Kim’s resistance, was something he was reluctant to pursue or push further which suggests something illicit is involved. If he had a defensible basis for his threat, why wouldn’t he repeat it or elevate the threat? One can waste a lot of time dissecting this ...
RDK573 (Chicago)
I will have to admit, I did not see Kim's actions coming..Totally blind sighted! But with other characters who "break bad", there is context, Jimmy is the perfect example as we seems character when he was a kid and how people use to swindle his father and later, with his brother's untimely death, its understandable why Jimmy becomes Saul.....With Kim, there is little to no clue..Was it Chuck's death or Jimmy's reaction to Chuck's death? The car accident? both? I just wished the writers would offer more background for her actions (i.e. what is going on in her head?)considering that her character has given conflicting signals during this series.."Breaking Bad" just for purposes of adding a plot twist does a disservice to both the characters and the audience with this generally well written series..
rgh (oklahoma)
Was there ever a reference to Kim in BB? I've always wondered what's in the offing for her in BCS. Is it possible Kim and Jimmy/Saul will re-unite after BCS/BB and do their just the right amount of sleaze in another series?
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@rgh, no, she is never mentioned in BB. I looked that up because I wondered, too.
Jeanne Wheeler (San Francisco, CA)
The character of Kim may be a portrait of clinical depression and her broken arm a souvenir of a suicide attempt by car. Vince may be trying to raise awareness of the signs. It would be one of those "I didn't see it coming" moments if she succeeds before this season ends.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@Jeanne Wheeler, nah. It was clear that she fell asleep at the wheel, leading to her driving off the road.
Kim (New York)
I feel like Kim is doomed because she's not a full-blown "criminal lawyer," but her heart isn't in her work in the corporate world, either. She needs to be all in, or all out. I understand that as someone who came from nothing and worked hard to get to where she is, she might almost feel obligated to be an overachiever, to always do "right," but the boredom and unease she's feeling in the corporate world has clearly become overwhelming. I just don't think she's fully prepared to enter Jimmy/Saul's world, which is one you can't safely dabble in; obviously, being a "criminal lawyer" isn't something she should be doing as a diversion from her legitimate work. One unrelated observation: Wouldn't Werner and Gale be instant BFFs?
Ray (Missouri)
@Kim Nice matchmaking with Werner and Gale. And you're correct about Kim - not full-blown. I fear that her exit (demise?) will be the final straw that births Saul.
Cynthia (New York)
I think all those Germans will be dead, right after they finish installing the elevator.
Allen Rebchook (Montana)
@Cynthia I read that that after the excavation is complete Gus rewards them all with a trip to Belize.
East of Cicero (Chicago, IL)
@Allen Rebchook Belize, eh?
David en (Oak Parl IL)
@Cynthia I don't think that all the Germans get killed, because my theory is that they are connected to Madrigal in some way. Maybe one of them - not necessarily Kei, could be Werner Also, i think that they guys at the bar were planted by Gus to see if Werner could hold his liquor
Bryan (Charlotte)
Is there a chance that Kim becomes "Mr." Disappear? I can't remember if we know for sure that the person in charge of the disappearances of Saul and and Walter is a male. If we don't know, it seems like this is the kind of work that Kim good get into down the road without being killed off before the start of Breaking Bad.
Kim (New York)
@Bryan I love this idea! My husband and I have been re-watching Breaking Bad (for like the 3rd time), and in Season 5, when Saul is getting Jesse ready to disappear, Jesse asks if he has any say in where he goes. Saul tells him he imagines he would, it's his life and he should have some say in it. This made me think that Saul eventually ends up in Nebraska by choice, because perhaps it's where Kim is (and where she is from originally).
Nick (NYC)
@Bryan Mr. Disappear is indeed a man, played by Robert Forster. He is a dynamite guest star in the BB episode "Granite State."
Pris (NH)
The entire Huell story was a fantasy. What fool would believe all of this nonsense? None of it made sense to me, it was so far out of reality. The ADA seemed much more sensible and Intelligent than to be taken in, unless she found this outrageousness to save one man, so much to her liking that she decided to go with it. Kim is bored with her life, and this case took her away from the law to which she was growing weary. But, at her base Kim believes in the law, and that is why she will either break away or be broken. Jimmy gets his license back, and something happens to Kim. Hector and his crew connect, and the war begins, again.
Kevin (Ottawa)
I think Kim'll be disbarred and/or worse by the end of the series, Jimmy'll blame himself which'll make him go full Saul. As for the end of the season, I think Werner and/or Kei slip up again and Mike takes them both out.
JediProf (NJ)
@Kevin Because Mike is in a long slow breaking bad as well. I mean he was never a saint as a Philly cop, but he's shown in BCS as still having some ethical character. Something happens so that he's a full-on gun for hire when Gus calls.
Len (Pennsylvania)
Predictions for the fifth (and probably the last) season of BCS: Kim gets in deeper with a scam that Saul is reluctant to join, she is caught, disbarred, and charged. Saul regains his law license and defends her. The DA they scammed in Season Four prosecutes. Saul loses the case. Saul, more bitter than he even was when his brother died, begins the final downward hard-edged slide to become the lawyer we see in BB.
CitizenTM (NYC)
@Len Nice. I assume the BCS team reads these pages and will now do something different.
Cynthia (New York)
This episode was a bright patch of sun in what has been a very dark season (not that I'm complaining). I burst out laughing when Jimmy answers the phone as the backwoods preacher and says, "Who-dis!" and when he imitates the good reverend again for Kim in bed. Terrible as that fake Cajun accent was, it made me laugh. It reminded me of a lot of people I once knew from that part of the world, and I was glad for the memories it brought back. If not for the doom and gloom of the previous episodes, it probably wouldn't have struck me as funny at all. This was a much needed moment of levity. And welcome back, Giselle!!
Into the Cool (NYC)
Why, if Jimmy is to get his law license back, does he use the Saul Goodman name? It cannot be just because of the stereotype of the Jewish lawyer, can it? The writers have something more than that in store, I think.
Nick (NYC)
@Into the Cool "Saul Goodman" has been his scammer alias for years. It comes from "s'all good, man."
Riggs (LI)
@Into the Cool I don't believe the name Saul Goodman as anything to do with religion/referencing Jewish lawyers. He took the name from when his drunk friend in an alley (I think he was Jimmy's con man partner); he said "It's All Good Man!" hence "S'all Good Man" "Saul Goodman"
Isophobe (Winston-Salem, NC)
@Riggs Jimmy (as Saul) tells us in BB that the name he choose was partly to identify with Jewish lawyer brethren (or words to that effect).
Bill Palmer (Oakland,CA)
Now that Lavell Crawford (Huell) has lost quite a bit of weight, I am wondering how the BCS writers will handle his appearance as the series moves closer to Breaking Bad times. Seems unlikely they will ask him to regain the lost poundage. A weighty question here.
Cynthia (New York)
@Bill Palmer - That's what special effects fat-suits are for. :)
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
Snookered is right.  Yes, you nailed it in your review.  Kim is breaking bad..  What an elaborate con.   It was like HHM meets slippin' Jimmy as a defense team. The last thing I expected was for her to enjoy the con.  It made her feel alive just as Walter White felt alive when he was breaking bad.  The difference is WW had terminal cancer.  Kim just is in a rut and it also acts as an aphrodisiac for her.  Either way she is hooked on the con drug. Initially, Kim's involvement was not about Huell, but to do Jimmy a favor.  After her meeting with the prosecutor she got mad & it was game on.  For Jimmy I think it was guilt that his actions caused Huell's arrest.   The one thing he & Kim have in common is intolerance to unfairness.  They were righting a wrong plus Jimmy likes Huell & wants him as his bodyguard & occasional partner in crime.   Nacho can't catch a break (in the drug world that is).  He rids himself of Hector only to have a younger version show up.  I would love it if he does escape with his dad.  Doubt he will. The scene with Mike & the Germans always have a feel of danger, but because it is a limited season I would have preferred to see what is happening with Gene.  I thought Hank would have showed up by now too.    10 episodes is just not enough.  
Ken Hughes (Arlington VA)
@Neelie I think we know why Slippin' Jimmy/Saul is hooked on the con drug. I just can't quite figure out why Kim is. I'm thinking it has something to do with her past. As I recall, we don't know much about Kim's back story. There were, as I recall, vague references to Kim growing up poor in the mid-West in past episodes but not much beyond that. I'm hoping future episodes provide more detail regarding her past which show why she loves the con so. Did she grow up in a family or community of con men and women and feels comfortable in this world? Does her love of the con relate to her commitment to her criminal work on behalf of those who were born with the odds stacked against them?
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
@Ken Hughes Good point on not knowing enough of Kim's backstory. She once said during a job interview that she grew up in small town with little options. She was deliberately vague. Yes we need to know more about her past.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
This is one of those not-great, transitional episodes that cover too many threads at once. They always happen a few shows from a season finale — kind of like setting up a multi-ball pool shot. Still, I think the writers may have jumped the shark here. The scamming thing with Huell’s case is not believable, from either side. Among other things, no one in any DA’s office has time for such silly, dig-your-heels-in peevishness. That scene where the prosecutor calls the “letter writers” on the speaker phone? Ridiculous. And Jimmy’s goofy pastor act? Not worthy of this otherwise excellent show. Nacho has become as nasty as Hector ever was (that earring scene was harsh), and we see him come home to a couple women he seems to keep like pets. Tossing them some drugs instead of biscuits. Ugh. No one to care about in that thread. Mike taking the construction crew to see pole-dancers isn’t too believable, either. So much care taken to keep them away from the public for months, and he’s going to let them get drunk (and possibly talkative) at a dive like that? He works for a powerful crime boss. I think he would hire some working girls to do a home visit, don’t you? Or is that a step too far for Mike?. I, too, thought “Werner is toast” the minute he mentioned his sweet wife. That’s a classic Hollywood war movie thing: if a guy mentions his girlfriend or family back home, he’s gone. But who knows, with this bumpy show?
hhalle (Brooklyn)
I don't think it's that hard to figure out why Kim and Jimmy went to bat for Huell. Kim was obviously appalled by the racist double standard the DA was applying to Huell's jail time during her plea negotiations with Kim, while Huell is Jimmy's trusted lieutenant (which Kim knows, too). And after all, what separates Kim and Jimmy's brand of criminality from someone like Gus's is exactly their capacity for compassion.
DC (Ponte Vedra Beach)
@hhalle I think several things influenced Kim's zealousness for Huell's case -- 1. She was annoyed by the ADA's stubbornness about sentencing in a case that barely deserved a misdemeanor charge (I've been there and can attest to how annoying it can be) 2. The arrogance and power of the DAs office and the flagrant (and perhaps racist) disregard for fairness -- Kim is all about fair play 3. The ADAs insult toward Jimmy put Kim over. I can feel in my bones the fury that would ignite. 4. Finally, we see that Kim enjoys "pulling the con" -- it's exciting and entertaining for her. I think Kim was going to show that ADA what for -- at any cost -- and she certainly did.
Ken Hughes (Arlington VA)
@hhalle ... but Gus, Kim, and Jimmy all really enjoy beating the system with their criminality.
Charles E (Holden, MA)
Again: It's Kai, not Kei. Details matter.
Louise Phillips (NY)
Jimmy's use of the term "rectory" would have blown his cover to this ex-A.D.A. Only Catholic priests live in rectories, Baptist pastors live in parsonages, so the late night fire during the bible study for seniors story should have made someone think twice about Huell's character witnesses. And I agree, there is no satisfying explanation for the lengths they went to to defend Huell, unless its just for the delight of the con, or to give a backstory to Huell's devotion to Saul in BB. I get Kim falling for the bad boy. Jimmy is an anti-hero and that lets her live on the edge of her double life and get the best of both worlds:submission and conformity to the system on the outside, with a heart of rebellion and revenge toward the ruling class on the inside. The pony tail is back.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@Louise Phillips, Hah! I noticed the (super annoying) pony tail! Cute how the camera focused in on it. I think the Huell scam must be, as you suggest, primarily a way to explain his future relationship with Saul. It also pulls Kim into the mire. Having been raised Catholic, I caught the “rectory” mistake, but I thought his mentioning Communion was an oops, too. However, I looked it up. Baptists (and Methodists) do practice Communion. Since the phone call was on speaker phone (not believable), you’d think someone in the DA’s office would catch the slip-ups. Just a goofy turn of events, IMO.
Kate (Miami)
@Louise Phillips Good observations. Was this in the days before Google became ubiquitous (or became at all)? One way or another I think the D.A. will start stewing about her defeat and on some sleepless night will launch a search for the fictitious church. Maybe she'll just decide to take a drive. She gets Kim to admit the fraud, Kim won't let Jimmy take the fall with her and off she goes to the Bar's ethics committee.
Debra (New York, NY)
I'm pretty sure that Werner is going down either this season or early next season. He's already shown that he can't keep his mouth shut when he gets drunk, so why would Gus allow him to go back to Germany with information about the superlab? Kai is a red herring.
Michel Forest (Montreal)
@Debra I can't help but think that there's a link between Werner and Madrigal, Lydia's company. A German company and a german engineer... Maybe I'm making connections where there are none! (LOL!)
Kim (New York)
@Michel Forest I thought the same thing!
Gary (Vernon, NJ)
You can take a look at the Freewill Baptist Church website. When you call the phone number, it's Odenkirk! http://www.freewill-baptistchurch.com/
Marge Keller (Midwest)
It looks as if we now have a pair of bookends: slippin' Jimmy and slidin' Kimmy. Kim was so slick last night, she even had Jimmy fooled with her cool, detached attitude and behavior towards him regarding Huell's case, only to surprise Mr. McGill TWICE with her overtures to the bedroom. She is a real enigma and each week her character seems to bounce and flop around like a football, never knowing what she will do or say next. Thank you Mr. Segal for illuminating me with the object Kim took from her desk drawer for I had no idea what it ever was, not to mention it's probably significance. I agree with many commenters - I think it is a sign and bad omen of things to come. I cannot help but feel that once the construction of the lab is complete and the Germans return to their homeland, Werner is going to get whacked . . . by Mike for blabbing when snookered. There was just an icy, cold look in Mike's eyes and face. He could be a loose end in which neither Gus or Mike want in the background. I really like the character, but I think his days are numbered.
The Chief from Cali (Port Hueneme Calif.)
@Marge Keller Hi Marge, The wife and I agree that Kim is in a washtub of trouble. Mike has to keep Gus happy and if it means a whack, then so be it. Does Kim keep the Anejo in her desk for celebrating? Or just the top from other scams. I believe Kim moves out of ABQ in the future episodes. Only to bump into Gene in Omaha in one of the last episodes.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
@The Chief from Cali Hi TCFC, I love the "washtub of trouble" analogy - funny and so fitting. I totally agree with your assessment and questions and especially love your final thought about Kim showing up in the final episodes - that's pretty clever. I hope the writers read these comments - a lot of them provide exceptional alternative twists to an already pleasantly twisted story line.
Jenn (WA)
@The Chief from Cali It's the top of the Anejo bottle, from when they scammed Ken Wins in the bar that one time.
Carter (Washington, DC)
Kim will go down in flames due to Jimmy's carelessness (see below) and it will turbo-charge Jimmy's bitterness and the final ascension of Saul. It's pretty clear that after the scam was seemingly complete, Jimmy left his helpers with vague instructions about still answering some of the cell phones, etc. Why did we need to see that if the scam was successful and over? This also means that Kim has to somehow not implicate Jimmy or else her ultimate demise somehow prevents his implication. Can't wait for more!
CDH (Savannah, Ga.)
@Carter I also believe that the letters that they wrote will come back to haunt Kim. I dont think that DA is going to let that one go without a fight.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@CDH, Someone should notice that the letters and cards were all postmarked on the same day, which would be a red flag. But the whole thing is so silly! Why try phoning only those who included phone numbers? If the prosecutor was serious she would have assigned her assistant to looking up a random selection of phone numbers for the writers. And I think if you lined up a number of the missives you’d notice a similarity in handwriting among them, no?
jona (CA)
@Passion for Peaches They were written by all those different people on the plane.
Steve (New York)
Not to be a contrarian, but it seems that the past 3 or 4 episodes have included seemingly endless montages that don't do a lot to move anything. I felt like I really was on a Greyhound from New Mexico to Louisiana. And why do we have to endure these German engineers being behind schedule. Two full episodes devoted to Huell? I realize the style of the show has always allowed for a slow pace and I'm a Vince Gilligan sycophant as much as anyone, but the past few episodes have tried my patience. Nothing really happens.
Michel Forest (Montreal)
@Steve I felt the same way halfway during season 3... In the end, I was wrong. One thing I've learned about BCS is this: when we think "nothing happens", it just means something big is *about* to happen. That what makes the show so fascinating to me.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@Steve, just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait. All will be revealed in good time. Or in two episodes.
JediProf (NJ)
@Steve great acting and film style happened. Music too.
Gary (Vernon, NJ)
I'm having a tough time figuring Kim out. After last night, I'm guessing that there's danger ahead.
Ed. W. (Kansas City)
It's curious -- When Walter White broke bad it gave him power. When Kim Wexler broke bad it gave her passion. What does that say about the creators of the show - and ourselves?
Nick (NYC)
@Ed. W. Not sure I buy your implication. BB was explicit in showing the extent to which Walt's life of crime ruined his family's life, got his brother in law killed, prevented him from passing his fortune to his kids and led him to spend his last years in life either in pain or in hiding. Hardly a thrilling reward for a life of crime.
Michel Forest (Montreal)
@Ed. W. It's quite simple in the end: sometimes, we like to watch the villain instead of the hero. Iago is more interesting than Othello. Al Capone is more interesting than Elliott Ness. Darth Vader is more interesting than Luke Skywalker. Good storytellers know how to make a "bad" person fascinating.
Kim (New York)
@Michel Forest Very true. And what I love about BB and BCS is that the "bad" person isn't always 100% bad (or at least their intentions and motives aren't, or weren't always). Walt initially gets into the meth business to make money to sustain his family when he dies. Jimmy and Kim, even if acting as "criminal lawyers" are fighting an injustice, the system, etc.
Nick (NYC)
It should be noted that Lalo, this obnoxious kitchen invader, likely plays into Nacho's end game somehow. When Walt and Jesse kidnap Saul in the original series, Saul wonders aloud if it was Lalo that sent them to kill him and blames some unknown thing on Ingnacio (Nacho). These characters exist to fill in the blanks in this throwaway line of dialogue. The A plot of this episode concerning the legal scheme was simply delightful television.
LR (San Diego, CA)
Poor Nacho just can't catch a break.
TC (NYC)
BCS delivers the hottest Saul-Kim scene to date. And yet... where’s the chemistry? I’m actually rooting for these two to get out of bed. I think the writers are doing this intentionally. I think they are setting us up for investment in its inevitable demise. (I rooted for Harry and Sally. I’m rooting for these two in the opposite direction.)
Michel Forest (Montreal)
Noticed how Breaking Bad/BCS writers like to have their characters hide in very cold places? Walt in New Hampshire, Saul in Nebraska, Nacho in Manitoba. (Although I doubt Nacho will ever be able to escape.) I feel something really bad will happen to Kim... Like losing her law license. All thanks to Jimmy’s toxic influence. And I think one of the German workers will die before the last episode. I’m thinking work accident... Like a blast going wrong because the workers will rush things in order to finish the project in time. Someone will not use his thinking head... I wish there were 12 episodes left this season, not 2.
JediProf (NJ)
I don't want to predict what will happen in the next two episodes, but I hope that AMC renews BCS for a 5th, and I would assume, last season. I say "last" because it seems like we're getting pretty close to BB. I just want the complete story: Jimmy becomes officially and legally Saul Goodman. He drives the white Caddy (?) with the "lawyer up" plates. And he resumes making tacky commercials to gain clients. And to see what will happen to Kim, Nacho, and perhaps Howard. And to Saul in the B&W future.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@JediProf, I didn’t watch more than a few episodes of Breaking Bad, so I don’t catch a lot of the references dropped into BCS for the BB club. I just watched a video compilation of Saul’s best lines from Breaking Bad. There’s a scene where he tells someone he’s not a lawyer anymore, just a working stiff, and that he’s lucky if in three months he’s working at a Cinnabon in Omaha. So there's the set-up for the “B&W future” at the mall, I guess. Was that bit written in as the kind of obscure BB reference fans love? I wonder.
Passion for Peaches (Blue State)
@JediProf, yeah, I’ve been wondering how the Cinnabon Jimmy will connect to the Albuquerque Jimmy.
Facts Matter (Factville)
It was renewed for a fifth season just before season 4 went to air
Polemic (Madison Ave and 89th)
One might think that Kim (and Saul) would perhaps be subjected to an investigation by the Assistant District Attorney for some or all of the criminal charges described by Jimmy to Kim. But, many of us know from our knowledge of the next chapters in Saul's life all that is something now in the past. I looked at it as just a very colorful story to help everyone who might still not know what's going on to understand how Saul Goodman and evidently his new partner Kim, think and the extent of crossing of legal lines they are willing to follow.