Does Climate Change Have Anything to Do With Floods in Thailand?

The region’s strongest rains normally begin in July, so the youth soccer team may have been caught off guard when it entered the relatively dry cave on June 23.


Comments: 9

  1. Climate change is a real and critical issue. Pinning it to the Thai Soccer Team drama is transparently opportunistic.

  2. Since climate change is an indisputable scientific fact and the climate change "debate" is simply intentional self-interested obfuscation on the part of those denying climate change, it would be really nice if those that believe in climate change stop their lay person attempts to prove climate change is real in public debate by attaching it to hot issues of the day. If somebody came up to you and declared the world is flat, would you really engage in that debate? Would you really trot out picture and mathematical equations and experts and try to convince this person that really knows the world is round but is just trying to get your goat or trying to accomplish something else that you clearly don't understand. The reporting on climate change should just accept it as fact, not even mention any debate (because there really is no real debate). And all this prognosticating about whether this or that trend can be attributed to climate change just perpetuates the impression of there being an actual debate.

  3. Can we please have a moratorium on statements such as
    No one is suggesting that ...?
    Unless you somehow have uninterrupted access to what everyone is saying, you can't possibly know! May I offer the less omniscient but truer formulation
    Few if any say that ...
    as a more concise substitute?

  4. hope the politicians can do something to help the environment before it's too late. republicans or democrats, we all live on the same planet.

  5. This type of ridiculous attempt to link a local weather event to climate change only shows how desperate alarmists must be.

    Where's the data that supports this idea?

    You say that it didn't rain much more than avg in June in Thailand -- 9.6 inches -- but ZOUNDS -- 5 of those inches fell in one week. Really.

    Let me ask. IF you on average get 10 inches of rain in a month, do you expect .33 inches every day? Of course not. Weather varies -- from day to day, month to month, year to year. You may know when the rainy season generally starts and ends -- but the exact days vary from year to year as does the amt of rain.

    Here's an example of a US area where the temps have supposedly increased (probably due to extensive urban growth). California is approximately the size of Thailand. Over the past 120 years the range in annual precipitation is from 8 to 42 inches with swings from year to year of almost 20 inches some years. That has nothing to do with climate change. And by the way, even though CA is supposedly warming, the precipitation level has actually dropped slightly.

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/statewide/time-series/4/pcp/12/12/1895-201...

    This type of "journalism" will never convince a skeptic.

  6. Ralphie, dear, is it a coincidence you pretend California should be getting wetter when scientists expect it to trend drier? General rule of thumb is wet areas get wetter, dry areas get drier.
    Key finding #1 from the 2017 national climate assessment chapter on precipitation:
    "Annual precipitation has decreased in much of the West, Southwest, and Southeast and increased in most of the Northern and Southern Plains, Midwest, and Northeast."
    https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/7/

    But another thing they tell us is that the rain/snow that does fall will tend to be in heavier precipitation events - especially in the Northeast, which has seen a 71% increase in intense precipitation events. Link below, view the Figure 2.18 and read caption, which begins:
    "The map shows percent increases in the amount of precipitation falling in very heavy events (defined as the heaviest 1% of all daily events) from 1958 to 2012 for each region of the continental United States. These trends are larger than natural variations for the Northeast, Midwest, Puerto Rico, Southeast, Great Plains, and Alaska."
    https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/heavy-downp...

    This isn't controversial science. A warmer atmosphere can hold more water - temporarily - which then precipitates out. You know, what goes up must come down?

  7. Thank you for mentioning this, I had the exact same thought. Climate change has begun and this tragedy and near tragedy is one of many that have already occurred, and that will occur. This certainty should be galvinizing world leaders and citizens into doing all they can to adapt to the changes and to prevent further warming, but sadly, we still seem to be moving backwards and sideways on this issue.

  8. I would argue that the current solutions to emission reductions and global economic development are equally simplistic, especially if they ignore helping developing countries modernize their sanitation, health care, interior air quality, reliable electricity/grid, and 21st Century telecommunications. “100 % Renewables,” “Leave it in the ground” and “restoration to pre-industrial age” seems so unsophisticated and inadequate.

  9. "No one is saying that climate change is responsible, but we're going to suggest it anyway".