Jul 05, 2018 · 51 comments
Roxie (San Francisco)
“It’s like toasting your marshmallow slowly from a safe distance above the campfire, then swooping in close for the nice quick char,” Oh, OK. I get it now.
MyOpinion (NYC)
Please! Everyone! Let's get solar power going! (Plus the electric grid capability to incorporate it!) Fossil fuels are so... yesterday... but we still have them around today. And it's time to correct that, folks! It's been hot here in NYC... but I can't imagine what it is like in Phoenix! Take a cold shower, and then get rid of anything you have that pollutes our environment and leads to weather-heating. I feel very sorry for kids today... and we should work, even harder, to keep them from 'baking in the oven' in the future.
Arnold (Santa Monica)
Dictionary.com: "Noosphere, noun... philosophy: the part of the biosphere that is affected by human thought, culture, and knowledge"...thanks...
Justin (Midwest USA)
“School children on Mars will need to be taught differently.” -- David Grinspoon, king of the understatement.
Ty (Maine)
To what degree does being 3 million miles closer or further away from the sun cool or warm our planet, Earth?
KevH (Dordogne, France)
@Ty As most of Earth's landmass and population is in the Northern hemisphere it is fortunate that this portion of the Earth is tipped towards the sun at the point of aphelion.
Barry Goldshumer (Maplewood, NJ)
Just absolutely amazing that during the summers in the Northern Hemisphere, our home planet is the farthest from the Sun. Also, during the winters in the Northern Hemisphere, the Earth is the closest to the Sun.
Scam Likely (Colo)
So today we are at the 11-year solar minimum, or just the minimum for our current orbit?
syfredrick (Providence RI)
The end of mankind is often portrayed as if mankind will last until the end of the earth, or at least until the end of life on earth. Life on earth is often portrayed as dependent on the life of the Sun, as indeed it must be. But, life on earth is equally dependent on plate tectonics. It is the end of plate tectonics that will spell the end of life. My question is whether that will be prior to the end of the Sun. My suspicion is that the answer is "yes", 'though I never see it discussed in popular science.
Randy (Auburn, CA)
@syfredrick @syfredrick The South American plate moves ~1.2 inches west/year and African/Nubian plate moves ~0.85 inch east/year. If we imagine these velocities were constants (they're not), that implies these two continents would be some 18.9 mi + 13.4 mi = 32.4 miles farther apart in a million years. (To keep it simple, I'm discounting rotational and N/S movements.) That's not enough to cause major changes to climate, avian or oceanic migration, or - guessing here - topographical upheavals redirecting, cutting off, or creating new rivers, lakes and mountains. A billion years would have these continental plates colliding on the other side of the planet in a colossal remaking of much of the impacted territory. This is how the Himalayas were lifted. Indeed, another Pangaea-like supercontinent may form. Life has existed on Earth's tectonic plates, including the oceans, for some 3 billion years, and thrived throughout their slow dance around its tilted and spinning orb. Evolution assures that life will continue to adapt to changes in the Earth's crust. But life can only survive in a narrow zone of solar radiation. This limit precludes humankind hanging around as one of the last of the planet's lifeforms. That's reserved for microbes, and, perhaps, some small burrowing animals and deep sea creatures.
PAN (NC)
In 10,000 years or so Earth will resemble Venus at the current rate we humans are destroying a livable environment.
Roxie (San Francisco)
@PAN I recall from my childhood an “artist’s conception” of what life on Earth will look like when the sun boils our oceans— The not-too-realistic drawing depicted everything in an orange light with a cruise ship laying on its side on dry cracked ground with frightened and confused people running in different directions trying to get away.
The Scrambled Egg (New York)
This planet is going to shake us off like a bunch of fleas George carlin
Yahoo (Somerset)
I love the Times science section.
Marion Francoz (San Francisco)
Remarkable article. I second your praise for the NYT science section.
I Gadfly (New York City)
What’s so fascinating about the earth’s 23 ½° tilt is that during the summer season it allows the earth to receive the sun’s rays closer to 90° and it allows for l-o-o-n-g days! And this is the recipe for those l-o-o-n-g, l-a-z-y, warm, & humid days of June, July & August, as I enjoy a cool glass of lemonade while relaxing on a hammock!
Chris Collins (Australia)
@I Gadfly They say only mad dogs and Englishman play in the midday sun. Yes there in mid lat parts of AU the sun is currently almost directly overhead and it is easy to shade your head and face with a hat. Later in the day the blistering sun sneaks in under my hat and hits my whole body, not just the top of my shoulders. Perhaps midday is the right time to play cricket or go for a bike ride or do the farm work?
Justwonderin (Seattle, WA)
If you were to ask the typical high school student what the National Capital of Canada is, you would get a shoulder shrug a high percentage of the time. Perhaps what is needed, is a kind of game that is manipulated with the thumbs, that somehow sneaks in little bits of educational data on its unsuspecting operator.
Michael (Chester, NY)
@Justwonderin Ask a typical high school student? LOL How about asking the average adult on the street? The enormity of the ignorance of most people is astounding! Truly we have entered another phase of the Know Nothings!
vacciniumovatum (Seattle, WA)
@Justwonderin Yes (it's Ottawa; a compromise between Ontario British and Quebec French as it's just about on the border). These are the folks that think Vancouver is the capital of BC (it's Victoria, folks) and Calgary is the capital of AB (It's Edmonton). Don't feel bad, Canada. How many Americans know the capital of SD? It's Pierre. Or the capital of KY (it's Frankfort)? Or MO? It's Jefferson City.
Justwonderin (Seattle, WA)
@Michael You're spot on Michael, and 74 million of those adults voted for Trump in 2020. That says it all.
Dquixote (LaMancha)
We are at our greatest distance from our sun. If we HALVE that distance we QUADRUPLE the amount of energy that hits us. So, what does that mean? Our mean temperature on this planet has never been higher and it now exceeds the disaster prediction for global warming, most of which is being absorbed by our oceans - melting our ice caps, raising sea levels and fomenting disaster everywhere. As we move closer in solar orbit, our heat will only INCREASE, hastening global warming even more. For those who go about their days oblivious to all of this, believing in conspiracy theories and the lies of criminals like Trump, there is a LOT more going on - stuff that threatens the future of life on this planet. Even Trump's crimes pale in comparison to that and no MAGA political cult can change this. It will take EVERYONE on this blue marble so effect change, NOW! I am far from an alarmist, but I am a scientist who understands what is going on, unlike you "influencers" so involved with your narcissism that little else matters or MAGA conspirators. Find out what to do - and DO IT! You will have no one to blame but yourselves and no "Planet B" to flee to - not even Trump or Putin.
Raul (Miami, FL)
Next Ice age is about 80,000 years away, just hold on to that thought.
Independent (the South)
A lot of people don't think about it but that is the reason that our globes rotate on an angle.
T (NC)
@Independent The two things are unrelated.
LarryAt27N (North Central Florida)
"Earth Is at Its Greatest Distance From the Sun" Good. It's always wise to keep a safe distance from things that are burning.
David Martin (Paris)
"School children on Mars" ... I was thinking about this the other morning. If it ever comes to that, the people that are mixed up in it will see the plainly obvious fact that Elon Musk missed. Life on Mars would be so miserable it would be hardly worth living. By far, the biggest problem would be that you cannot "go outside". We on Earth live in buildings, but "going outside" is among the finest of pleasures. It's almost what makes life worth living. Take that away, and people would be miserable. The unluckiest folks of all, living the worst of lives, would be the people living on Mars. And they would figure it out quick.
Mike Laird (Pittsford, NY)
A much more useful and salient article about the Earth's heat would be a scientific discussion about the sources and physics of recent decades of rising heat and temperature - aka climate change. This topic often just says 'CO2 traps heat in the atmosphere'. The story is more elaborate. What are the physical properties of CO2 that differ from O2 or N2? Why is the heat not radiated into outer space? Describe the atmospheric layers that 'trap', and the reasons it is a trap. Why does 1.5 degree versus 2.0 degrees make a difference on the surface of the Earth. If this knowledge was more widely known, maybe more people would understand the CO2 is a pollutant with long range, but lethal consequences.
David (Florida)
@Mike Laird Basically most gases of 3 or more atoms are "greenhouse gases" one of the very strongest is actually H2O (aka water). CO2 is no more of a pollutant then water. As with just about every other chemical known the danger is in the size of the dose. Water will kill you just the same. I suspect the details you are requesting would be lost on most readers as well as many writers. As such they are omitted.
Dick Joyce (Tucson)
@Mike Laird David's point is well taken, that the details would be lost on people who are not scientists. Very simply, diatomic molecules such as O2 and N2 can vibrate in only one dimension, whereas polyatomic molecules such as CO2, CH4, H2O, N2O, NO2...can vibrate in many modes in three dimensions. These modes absorb energy in the mid-infrared, where the Earth radiates its energy (absorbed from the Sun) back into space. The heat is radiated back into space, but at higher altitud;es, where it is cooler. Molecules such as N2 and O2 are transparent at these wavelengths.
Jim Griffin (Columbus)
@Mike Laird Sunlight reaches Earth as UV radiation because our atmosphere is transparent to it. Upon irradiating our planet and warming it that radiation changes to IR - infrared radiation - to which our atmosphere is opaque, thereby trapping the heat of IR. Ergo, the greenhouse effect and rising global average temperatures. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with this fact so that you keep from writing drivel.
Daniel (Orion Nebula)
A great article offering a nice recap of what science has learned so far. Science will continue to learn and I look forward to all of the insights and discoveries to come. In the mean time, I can't stop thinking about toasted marshmallows! The planetary scientist at Arizona State University, Tanya Harrison, clearly has insights on the optimum toasting regiment as she noted, “It’s like toasting your marshmallow slowly from a safe distance above the campfire, then swooping in close for the nice quick char." That would be the perfect toasted marshmallow for any s'more!
spughie (Boston)
"Earth’s orbit, will also change one day. While our planet’s closest approach to the sun currently takes place during the northern winter, it has slowly shifted over time. In about 10,000 years, its closest approach will occur six months later during the northern summer." Thanks to Milutin Milanković for discovering this! "Milanković gave two fundamental contributions to global science. The first contribution is the "Canon of the Earth's Insolation", which characterizes the climates of all the planets of the Solar System. The second contribution is the explanation of Earth's long-term climate changes caused by changes in the position of the Earth in comparison to the Sun, now known as Milankovitch cycles. This partly explained the ice ages occurring in the geological past of the Earth, as well as the climate changes on the Earth which can be expected in the future. " - Wikipedia
pjc (Cleveland)
I do get struck with wonder and a kind of awe. The fact we keep discovering so many things that have to be "just so" for our planet to be able to host life always makes me say to myself, whoever created the scientific method sure was intelligent.
Philip (Down the rabbit hole)
Time to bring out the heavy blankets for sitting around the fireplace? And here I was, just settling in for another hot summer.
Erik Frederiksen (Asheville, NC)
The same physics that we are messing with makes the surface of Venus hot enough to melt lead and Mars cold enough to freeze out CO2. And those are our sister planets. What could go wrong?
Bob R. (PA)
@Erik Frederiksen A million dollar question!
Kontum (NM)
In a way this article is a testament to the almost complete lack of basic science education in this country. I learned in ninth or tenth grade that the seasons are caused by the tilt of the eart, not the change in its distance from the sun. I also learned why the weeks around the solstices are not the coldest or warmest times of the year: Because water has such a high specific heat capacity, the oceans serve as heat sinks resulting in a temperature lag among the seasons: They give up heat to the atmosphere when the weather cools and absorb heat when the weather warms. That is why January-February and not December are the coldest months and why July-August and not June are the warmest months, despite December and June having the shortest and longest days of the year. And I learned this IN HIGH SCHOOL - but then I'm 75 and back in the 1960s ALL high schools taught BASIC science.
John M. Hammer (Queens, NY)
@Kontum This is still part of the basic science curriculum and is introduced earlier than high school. That doesn’t mean instruction is effective. There was a study done in the 1980s which demonstrated that most Harvard seniors had these same misconceptions.
John M. Hammer (Queens, NY)
@Kontum This is still part of the basic science curriculum and is introduced earlier than high school. That doesn’t mean instruction is effective. There was a study done in the 1980s which demonstrated that most Harvard seniors had these same misconceptions.
John M. Hammer (Queens, NY)
@Kontum This is still part of the basic science curriculum and is introduced earlier than high school. That doesn’t mean instruction is effective. There was a study done in the 1980s which demonstrated that most Harvard seniors had these same misconceptions.
GeorgeB (Raleigh, NC)
The earth's average temperature has been at record highs for the past several days. That's for the modern period of satellite measurements since 1979. The earth was cooler than the modern period before 1979, so these record highs go back much longer than that, perhaps to the last interglacial 120,000 years ago. The details of orbital mechanics are relevant to Pleistocene glaciations and interglacial periods but human generated greenhouse gases have rendered those subtleties moot. It's hot. It's humid on the east coast. We have a big problem and we need to get real because it's getting worse at an accelerating rate.
DavidCT (CT)
@GeorgeB Global warming or heating is much more hazardous that most people realize. You only need to go back to about 1,000 years to find the Medieval Warm Period where temperatures were somewhat higher than they are now - and that is just natural variation. There has been natural, cyclical warming and cooling 'forever'. We are now coming to the end of the cooling phase and should expect temperatures to rise again - naturally. However, add to that the undoubted additional warming that industrialization has caused and we could be in very dangerous ground very quickly. The Younger Dryas was a period of extreme cold - an Ice Age. That was probably triggered by a single event stopping the Atlantic Conveyor which pumps heat from the tropics to the Arctic. If you add natural warming (which is seldom talked about for simplicities sake) to anthropogenic warming we may double the projected temperature rise over the coming years. If we melt the Greenland ice cap and drop about 2.9 million cubic kilometers of fresh water into the Atlantic basin, that would stop the Atlantic Conveyor and we'd have triggered a new ice age. A warming planet is generally survivable for most people; an ice bound one - not so much.
vicki (berkeley)
I have read that Earth's year used to be 385 days long, although the days were an hour shorter. Does that mean that the orbit is still the same distance from the sun or that we are drifting closer? Usually, the shorter the time of the orbit, the closer, but the 385 days might be due to the days being shorter? Please explain. Thanks.
Dick Joyce (Tucson)
@vicki The length of the day has been increasing over the past 4 billion years because tidal forces between the Earth and Moon are causing the Earth's rotation to slow while transferring energy to the Moon, causing its separation from the Earth to increase. This is because the Earth rotates in a shorter time than the Moon's orbital period.
Paul (PA)
@vicki I do not know how the Earth's orbital period around the Sun is changing, but the length of one day on Earth is changing. This is due to the gravitational interactions between the Earth and the Moon. As we all know, the Moon causes the tides. Ocean water rises on the side of the Earth facing the Moon. The Earth rotates around its own axis faster than the Moon orbits the Earth, and friction pulls that mass of ocean water ahead of the Moon. Because the mass of water is now slightly ahead of the Moon, it ends up pulling the Moon forward. This interaction adds energy to the Moon's orbit and removes energy from the Earth's rotation. The end effects are the Moon drifting away from Earth, the Earth's rotation slowing, and a day on Earth becoming longer. This may be the source of the decrease in days for the Earth to orbit the Sun.
Richard Schumacher (The JoeBiden States of America)
@vicki: Since its formation the Earth's orbit has changed very little, mostly a small variation in how elliptical it is, so the length of the year has changed very little. The *days* used to be shorter, therefore there were more of them in a year.
Blackmamba (IL)
Nonsense. The Earth's tilted axis brings summer to the northern hemisphere and winter to the southern. Plus the Sun is reaching the maximum activity in it's 11 year cycle along with warming Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Plus polar regions melting. Some organisms will ecological niche adaptively radiate resource partition and thrive. Others won't.
Charles (Oakland)
@Blackmamba They explained that the seasons are caused by the axis tilt in the 4th paragraph, explicitly pointing out that the energy effect from the distance to the Sun is much much smaller. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with the rest of your post, except maybe “Oh well, if we go extinct, we go extinct?”
serious searcher (westchester,ny)
@Blackmamba What's nonsense? Aphelion is the point in the orbit of a planet, comet, or other body that is farthest from the Sun. The word aphelion comes from the Greek words, apo meaning away, off, apart and Helios. The Earth is at aphelion in early July, about two weeks after the June solstice. It's about 4,800,000 km (3,000,000 miles) farther from the Sun than when at its perihelion in early January. In southern Australia people aren't complaining about the heat, quite the contrary. And yet in Australia generally they are very much aware of global climate change.
Independent (the South)
@Blackmamba And to complement what you say, 6 months from now, the earth's tilt will bring winter to the northern hemisphere and summer to the southern hemisphere. If I ever win the lottery, I'm going to live in summer all year round.