Sooner or later, Donald Trump will withdraw the US from the nuclear deal agreement for two reasons.
First, the American diplomats' hostage-taking in 1979 will never be forgotten and pardoned by the US Congress.
Second, after the destruction of Iraq, Iran became the main enemy of Israel.
Iran's integration into the Russian/Chinese bloc is inevitable.
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Trump, the master deal maker, is just a puppet. The Saudis don't like Iran (for religious reasons and because they have lots of oil as well) and Trump is doing this for his good mates over there. Just like he hung Qatar out to dry bcs he wanted to look good for Saudis! Concerns about sponsoring terrorism are equally valid against the Saudis.
Whatever else may be of discomfort to the U.S. about Iran's aggressive stance on it's neighbors, it is keeping the agreement about the nuclear deal intact. If brutus ignoramus Trump destroys the pact out of spite and stupidity, in spite of the European support, further chaos will develop and our ability to monitor the agreement may disappear. Is this what we want, against the wisdom, and prudence, of the international community? Trump is a most destructive force, as ignorant as they come, a distinct liar about the benefits of the current 'treaty', intent in spreading resentment and disbelief, and hoping to create the delusion of strength (bullying, cowardice, and insecurity, really). The least we need right now is a warmonger...instead of a diplomatic effort to find justice and peace in this upside-down world of ours, already dumbed down by his presence. Too bad that, within his pluto-kleptocracy, there is nobody to call him out on his bluffing.
Iran cannpt be trusted. The deal allows research, which now has improved their breakout time down to a day or two, by means of rapid centrifuge enrichment of uranium 235. They also continue to produce excess amounts of heavy water for a reactor to make plutonium for a bomb. The deal says nothing about missiles that they are making and that are used to deliver the bombs. The present deal actually guarantees nuclear bombs earlier than 2025. The deal does not allow inspection of the Parchin military explosive test site. They are helping North Korea as well as Syria build underground missiles and nuclear enrichment sites. The present deal is a global danger to all countries.
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because USA can be trusted ? Please, do you know the number of American military bases which surrounded Iran ? How many Shiite did attack in Canada, in Usa, in Europe ? Who is helping the Christian populations in Lebanon to fight against ISIS ? Yes Iran is a theocracy whit a little dose of democracy, but is it worste than Saudi Arabia. Yes Iran code civil has still the lapidation, but the oldest democracy don't manage to banish death penalty. I am not a fan of Iran, but please, it is the country of the area which produce the most graduate. We need to pull Iran in the chorus of Nations.
I don't claim to understand the complexities of Iran, but I do understand how much trouble the USA is in right now. Trump is looking for distractions in the form of conflict everywhere he can. Sincerely, I'd rather negotiate with the Iranians at the table than with our so-called leader.
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How can anybody make a deal that smacks of legitimacy with an unelected, illegitimate dictatorship headed by costumed, Twelver, religious-fanatics in 6th century headgear of an illegal "state", the illegitimate so-called "islamic republic of iran"? If the Mafia took over Italy by force and violence would the Mafia be recognized as Italy's legitimate government? I think not. It's the same thing here.
And let us not forget this particular dictatorship's complicity in the downing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988 to take revenge for our accidental downing of one of their airliners a few months earlier for which we paid full compensation.
These people invoke the Koranic doctrine of takia which permits them to outright lie and deceive in support of their Shia Islamic ideas and they will stop at nothing.
Let's just have that sucker John Kerry send them pallets of cash! Does it get any dumber?
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Those pallets of cash represented money we owed Iran, having never fulfilled a contract to deliver airplane parts In any case, the deal negotiated with Obama and other world leaders has been holding: it's Trump who's acting dishonorably here by threatening to withdraw from an agreement over issues that weren't covered by it.
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That money should have been attached to satisfy judgments that Americans have taken against the so-called government of Iran and to pay compensation to the victims of the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie bombing.
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This "accord" was unilaterally imposed by Obama as an executive order. He did not dare present it to the Senate for ratification as a treaty. You live by the pen (and telephone, as Obama put it.) and you die by the pen. Another case of executive overreach that deserves its wretched fate. As does almost all of Obama's pusillanimous and impotent foreign policies that now endanger us all.
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But Trump's executive orders (dozens and dozens of them) don't bother you in the slightest.
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To cancel the treaty would only bring up old wounds with Iran. Here is what is meant by that. On the evening of Oct. 29, 1979 the Ruff House T.V. program was aired in Atlanta, GA. and that evening Mr. Ruff had a special guest former CIA Director William Colby. During course of program subject of Iran comes up and Colby says Iran "could soon have a new government, a military leader could be coming to power and the new government will be friendly towards Israel". That evening the message from Colby was conveyed by letter to the former Embassy of Iran in Washington, D.C. and an acknowledgement letter was received from the Embassy of Iran dated Nov. 4, 1979 the very day Iran captured the American embassy in Iran and signed by the Charge d'Affaires the Hon. Ali A. Aga. In his letter of Nov. 4, 1979 the Hon. Ali A. Aga made this statement "Of course they could not come back after the commercial to talk about a new government in Iran"!
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Trump is doing it just to spite President Obama. There are no other valid reasons. Even Israeli Generals and Mossad want the deal to stay in place. So petty.
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How can you expect North Korea or anyone else to negotiate with the U.S. in good faith if we don't live up to our agreements?
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Trump hates the JCPOA. He doesn't know what is in it, or how it is enforced (with exceptional and intrusive inspections), but he hates it.
The US encouraged Saddam Hussein to start the 8 year war which so brutally destroyed so many humans on both sides. Iran has not forgotten. In case Americans have, they can look at the photo of GHW Bush, then VP, bringing American loans of about 1.5 billion dollars to Saddam. He is shaking Saddam's hand, and wears a big smile.
Within months Saddam had turned those loans into purchase of organophosphates for conversion to chemical weapons he deployed against the Iranians. Untold numbers of soldiers died in agony
Trump is contemptibly ignorant of all this. Shall we put it in a briefing for him, in CAPITAL letters next to the one he ignored today as he told Putin what a great guy he w to win his "election"?
The US has mistreated Iran since the days of Mossadegh. I think the chance that they'll do the right thing now is vanishingly small.
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That Iran should give up its pursuit of nukes, and Iran's engagement in Syria, Bahrain, Yemen should be discouraged - are laudable goals.
The notion that we can get this done with threats, fear mongering, or negotiations - have been rubbished, but we don't seem to be paying much attention to evidence.
We tried isolation. We tried threats. I am horrified that they played total spoilers in Iraq, and we could not stop the sectarian violence they unleashed. They have ground forces in Syria, and taking control. They have seriously threatened Bahrain. They have made lives of Yemenis miserable. They seem to be succeeding to our horror. They regularly talk of destroying Israel - an unthinkable catastrophe. I.e., we have tried, and they are winning.
So what do we do; other than find an alternative to oil as a fuel for our transportation? First off, we have to lose the European allies on this; we do not have allies. European powers will break sanctions driven by their own economic and political realities. China and Russia will play spoilers. We are on our own here. Second, the Iranian regime is running a major crime syndicate. We need to deal with them in the same way the DEA and others have dealt with drug cartels - i.e., first and foremost as criminals who have a country.
Kalidan
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They have NEVER threatened to destroy Israel (they have simply predicted its eventual demise). Our allies are our allies. Trump's preference may be for Israel, Russia and China but their governments are arguably no better than the one in Tehran.
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Stu, you're making this up, right?
“[Iran's President] Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be ‘wiped off the map.’”
“Iran will help anyone willing to ‘cut out the cancer’ of Israel, its Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said today.
“Iran’s Khamenei: No Cure for Barbaric Israel but Annihilation”
"One of Iran’s most influential ruling clerics called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them ‘damages only’."
Israel is two countries to the west of Iran. They do not share a border. Israel does not possess even one inch of territory claimed by Iran. So with all of this anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric coming out of Iran can you blame Israel for being a little nervous?
One Holocaust was enough.
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@Mike: Ahmadinejad is no longer in charge there. Khamenei would no doubt love to see Israel destroyed but has never threatened to do the job himself. Unlike, say, Donald Trump who has, in fact, threatened to destroy the PDRK even as Kim Jong-In has threatened to destroy the U.S. Unlike Iran, Israel actually has a nuclear arsenal. So who should be afraid of whom?
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Why would Iran agree to a new deal when the US is not adhering to the old one?
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Trump will never agree to a deal with Iran. The neocons want war. And who is the leading contender to replace McMaster as National Security Advisor? John Bolton, who helped lead us into Iraq!
The evangelicals want war. They want a nuclear WW III so they will have their Armageddon, their Apocalypse, their rapture up to heaven.
And Trump wants a nice, shiny object to distract the media from Mueller. A war with Iran will do nicely. He will have the unwavering support of the neocons, the evangelicals, Fox News, and talk radio. What more does he need?
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This agreement is everything Trump despises. Multi-lateral, mutually respectful, informed-intelligent, effective-stabilizing, and an Obama admin accomplishment. So of course it is doomed. This one goes on the short list of most significant implications of the 2016 election.
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I can't imagine trump chastising anyone for inappropriate behaviour.
... 'You will see what happens'.
The fix is in. Iran will not agree to outrageous terms... Republicans know this. The deal will be 'scrapped in May'... Then begins the process of ramping up for war. That's what the neocons want... and once again they will get what they want.
The majority of us don't want that. So much for Democracy right?
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If I understand the thrust of the American position it is that Iran should voluntarily agree to a condition of permanent disadvantage vis-a-vis Israel and Saudi Arabia, in effect giving them striking strageic advantage in regional conflicts. it seerms perfectly reasonable for Iran to agree to parity with rivals..... if Israel can have X nuclear weapons of Y delivery systems then Iran gets the same number. Otherwise it is not a deal but extortión. What is needed is (A) the non-US parties to the deal affirm their commitment, including investment or economic development guarantees, and (B) establishment in Iran of a small number of European joint military bases equipped to strike any country that attacks Iran. it would then fall to the United States to restrain its nominal allies to avoid the possibility of allied retaliation against agressor states. Sounds drastic but as the United States refuses to accept the principle of an Iranian right to self-defense it cedes to the other parties in the original agreement the capacity to assure Iranians their continued adherence to the original agreement will be matched by a protective shield. If the Israelis or Saudis are tempted to launch strikes killing hundreds of French military the certainty of a nuclear response might make them think twice. Iranian sovereignty and security cannot be held hostage by an American retreat from principle. Otherwise anticipate a mutual defense agreement between Iran and North Korea.
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Iran is not a nation as other nations it is a terrorist state with an avowed mission to destroy us. If it comes down to us or them I say bye bye Tehran.
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Yeah, except you seem to be ignoring the fact that Iran chants "Death to Israel", while Israel does nothing of the sort back to Iran.
It is amazing to me how people forget that Iran has publicly stated its desire to destroy Israel, whereas Israel simply wants not to be destroyed. But yeah, let's give Iran nuclear weapons in the name of "parity". Idiocy.
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@Jim: Who are the terrorists and when have they threatened to destroy us?
@"them": Israel would love to see the U.S. strike at Iran. Otherwise, they may just have to do the dirty deed themselves. And who's "giving" Iran nuclear weapons? Maybe the same people who "gave" them to Israel.
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Help Iranian people to change the regime instead of putting new sanctions on them. The sanctions only affect the ordinary and middle class of people not the politicians who are affluent and possess strong oppressive forces.
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Nonsense. The sanctions were crippling Iran. Obama's treason was the only thing that allowed them to continue. They should have been tightened not ended and billions sent to the mullahs.
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@Jim: "Obama's treason": did he collude with the Russians, too? The only money he sent to the mullahs was money that the U.S. owed Iran for airplane parts purchased but never delivered.
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What about the other four of the 5 parties who were part of the agreement with Iran?
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Has there ever been a treaty or accord that the United States has adhered to?
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