The number of people wo say 'for shame' on those (many) of us who really don't care, or think (correctly) this ISN'T a news tory, let me say something;
Actions speak louder than words.
What I say, I DO mean.
But what I often find are people who are quick with the 'kind' words are just that - and nothing more.
How many of you - who say 'Poor Lamar,' etc. - do you actually help those nearby to you - like, perhaps volunteering at a soup kitchen? Or, as I said elsewhere - just stop and talk to someone homeless?
I once had a bad period in my life, and the actual number of people who helped, or just stopped to talk - and I did appreciate that - or who I came across who helped out - was EXTREMELY slim.
I remember once, in the cold of winter, I had a bunch of young adults (I normally slept WAY out of public view) kick, and pummel me - whilst I slept - defenseless.
They thought it was 'funny.'
No, I don't want sympathy, because I DO know how the public at large is, and any homilies doesn't change what happened, because afterwards, not one person stopped, asked if I was ok...nothing.
Talk is cheap.
For those who have such 'concern' for a stranger, wake up, and understand that actions speak a lot louder, and if you're so concerned - again, about a stranger - try DOING something - at HOME, and let the STRANGER - who you'll never meet, will never hear anything you said, and more-than-likely, will just do it again - and let HIS family deal with him. If they care.
Actions speak louder than words.
What I say, I DO mean.
But what I often find are people who are quick with the 'kind' words are just that - and nothing more.
How many of you - who say 'Poor Lamar,' etc. - do you actually help those nearby to you - like, perhaps volunteering at a soup kitchen? Or, as I said elsewhere - just stop and talk to someone homeless?
I once had a bad period in my life, and the actual number of people who helped, or just stopped to talk - and I did appreciate that - or who I came across who helped out - was EXTREMELY slim.
I remember once, in the cold of winter, I had a bunch of young adults (I normally slept WAY out of public view) kick, and pummel me - whilst I slept - defenseless.
They thought it was 'funny.'
No, I don't want sympathy, because I DO know how the public at large is, and any homilies doesn't change what happened, because afterwards, not one person stopped, asked if I was ok...nothing.
Talk is cheap.
For those who have such 'concern' for a stranger, wake up, and understand that actions speak a lot louder, and if you're so concerned - again, about a stranger - try DOING something - at HOME, and let the STRANGER - who you'll never meet, will never hear anything you said, and more-than-likely, will just do it again - and let HIS family deal with him. If they care.
As a Lakers fan I still see Lamar as part of the family. But basketball is not really a family substitute. It's a business. Families don't trade their members to other families when they lose games. With all the family members he's lost in his life, Lamar should have been undergoing therapy to help him achieve his own healthy family instead of confusing his job with his family. I hope he will recover from this ordeal and get the help he needs to heal the bereavement inside him.
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I hope Kanye West is paying attention to all of this. The Kardashians are vampires, vultures who latch on to talented people who are vulnerable and then suck them dry. Let's not forget that the patriarch of the family got his start by covering up for OJ Simpson. Kim got her hooks into Kanye after his mother died. And Lamar was obviously so vulnerable he didn't realize he was getting the dregs of the dregs when he married Khloe.
Lamar Odom is obviously a lost soul. It's ironic that the family who has had nothing good to say about him for ages are once again surrounding him now that the cameras are rolling. I hope that his true family and friends get their acts together, surround Lamar with love and support and banish those poisonous leeches from his life. And I hope that the rest of the world does the same.
Lamar Odom is obviously a lost soul. It's ironic that the family who has had nothing good to say about him for ages are once again surrounding him now that the cameras are rolling. I hope that his true family and friends get their acts together, surround Lamar with love and support and banish those poisonous leeches from his life. And I hope that the rest of the world does the same.
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sorry to be so cynical here, but who are the celebrity families who actually provide true LOVE as the nourishment they all crave? we do know those celebrity families, don't we.
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I found the article be balanced but the headline is crass considering that this man is on life support right now.
I'm a recovering addict with over 9 years clean & sober. I'm now a respected school teacher and accomplished artist. We make mistakes in life as addicts but the majority of us do come back and the lessons we share with the world can be inspiring.
I'm a recovering addict with over 9 years clean & sober. I'm now a respected school teacher and accomplished artist. We make mistakes in life as addicts but the majority of us do come back and the lessons we share with the world can be inspiring.
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America's sports addiction claims another. Star athletes learn at the earliest age that they are far different than anyone else. The coaches, classmates and community afford them profound doses of adulation and affection. The state athletic commission lets them keep playing even if they get 4 D's and 1 F on their report cards (at least here in CT). What thoughts arise in such a young persons mind? That they are superior to others and that life will always have someone smiling at them and offering favors? Or do they become disillusioned that they live a life surrounded by sycophants whom only value them for their fame? America shows no let-up in its hell bent race to raise sports to the point of crippling ever larger numbers of the population. Fantasy sports and illegal betting, the newsworthiness of the guns and crimes of athletes, the concussions and wrecked knees that plague older athletes, the rising costs of cable due to sports and upended college conferences so the most money can be garnered, a gladiator culture with ultimate sports. And so Rome fell once the coliseums became the amusement of the masses.
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Every NBA player should be required by the league to have a life coach. And a life coach who has one of his clients go off the rails -- addicted, arrested, broke, otherwise dysfunctional -- should have her certification revoked. These guys should be spending their spare time completing a genuine higher education and developing occupations or avocations that can constructively engage them for the rest of their (hopefully long) lives.
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According to news reports last night, he spent $75,000 for one night at the bordello and had been using cocaine and a sexual stimulant called "herbal Viagra" prior to passing out. It's probably an indication that he's a lost soul, squandering his fortune on short-lived pleasure-seeking.
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For all of you who have been so terribly unkind in your comments: this is a time for compassion for a fellow human being, not for derision or vitriol. We never know what goes on behind the closed doors of anyone's life, and we're all of us fighting hard battles.
God help us all if we can't hold out a hand to the hurting, lonely, and despairing in the world.
God help us all if we can't hold out a hand to the hurting, lonely, and despairing in the world.
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No time for vitriol? Three words: "conservative" talk radio.
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It would be nice if the media treated this humanly and honestly - but that is too much to hope for. Lamar was by all accounts a very nice person to know AND a person with a deadly addiction that he could not manage. That addiction may end up killing him.
Unfortunately nice guys like Lamar usually get used. His biggest mistake was entering the world of those talentless bottom feeders: the Kardashians. Now they will pick his bones for whatever $$$ can be made from what is left of his life. The shamelessness of this bunch is just staggering.
We should all turn away from this horror show. Hopefully someone is taking care of his kids and keeping them away from that dumpster fire that is the Kardashians.
Unfortunately nice guys like Lamar usually get used. His biggest mistake was entering the world of those talentless bottom feeders: the Kardashians. Now they will pick his bones for whatever $$$ can be made from what is left of his life. The shamelessness of this bunch is just staggering.
We should all turn away from this horror show. Hopefully someone is taking care of his kids and keeping them away from that dumpster fire that is the Kardashians.
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Yes, interesting how there's nary a mention of his original children Destiny and Lamar Jr, and how they are coping with their father's wild ride toward death and destruction, post-Kardasian blood-sucking. My daughter was friends w/ Destiny in elementary school (Lamar sent her to public in Santa Monica, which is quite admirable since the celebs & poseurs here in LA wouldn't be caught dead with their own kids at the playground, let alone have them attending public school), and he seemed a caring father, often dropping them and picking them up from school himself. Destiny was a sweet, unassuming girl, and they seemed unaffected by the fuss of celebrity. That was before he fell into the swirling reality sewer of America's famewhores extraordinaire. Odom's trajectory of snowballing problems can be directly traced to his indoctrination into the Kardashian 24/7 tabloid hell. Anyone with the slightest sensitivity would break down under pressure to be on during the most private moments-- I just hope he wakes up and sees that he actually has something to live for in his kids, and rebuilds his life with those who truly care for him.
Basic life rule #1: it always ends in tears.
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have you read Schopenhauer ?
Hope James Harden is reading this. The Kardashians are poison. They epitomize everything that's wrong with our obsession with celebrity and have ruined many careers while they line their own pockets.
But still, front page of the NYT? C'mon!
But still, front page of the NYT? C'mon!
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I think we're all having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that a real person, now broken and suffering, actually lived in the cartoon world of the Kardashians. I'd like to think this would make us all sober up and start giving our attention to the things in life that really matter.
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Oh, TOUCHE'!
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It won'
Words of 'care,' and concern' might pop out of one's mouth, but, by and large, NO - no one really gives any concern - for someone they don't know.
IF you want to continue with your fairy tale, let me suggest this; no matter where you are, I'm certain there are homeless on the street you pass every day - and I doubt you either help them, or - even speak with them.
So, before you - or anyone - who wants to say 'oh, how tragic,' why about those right before you?
Words of 'care,' and concern' might pop out of one's mouth, but, by and large, NO - no one really gives any concern - for someone they don't know.
IF you want to continue with your fairy tale, let me suggest this; no matter where you are, I'm certain there are homeless on the street you pass every day - and I doubt you either help them, or - even speak with them.
So, before you - or anyone - who wants to say 'oh, how tragic,' why about those right before you?
WHY do we celebritize druggies who die or end up in hospitals, like singers, daughters of singers and sports players who do drugs of one kind or another. They do not deserve to be a headline, they do nothing but set BAD examples for our young. they should just pass and all that should be written in in the "Who Died" in the newspaper. WHY glorify them by putting their names in headlines. All of them, yes, even the big E and the glove guy too.
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Uh, maybe to make people aware of the havoc addiction can wreak on a life?
It wasn't until Betty Ford opened up about her addiction that people began to talk about the issue and treatment centers cropped up around the country. Should she not have spoken up for fear of being a 'bad example'? What about Eric Clapton, who also founded his own rehab center and was one of the first men of his generation to advocate for sobriety and AA--was he being "celebritized" because he was a rock star with an addiction? Or were these people raising awareness so that others like them could seek help before it's too late?
Who dies from addiction is mostly a matter of luck, not intelligence or morality. Plus, children mostly emulate the examples set by their parents; alcoholic parents often raise alcoholic kids. Don't know of a single person who started drinking because Jimmi Hendrix choked on his own vomit.
It wasn't until Betty Ford opened up about her addiction that people began to talk about the issue and treatment centers cropped up around the country. Should she not have spoken up for fear of being a 'bad example'? What about Eric Clapton, who also founded his own rehab center and was one of the first men of his generation to advocate for sobriety and AA--was he being "celebritized" because he was a rock star with an addiction? Or were these people raising awareness so that others like them could seek help before it's too late?
Who dies from addiction is mostly a matter of luck, not intelligence or morality. Plus, children mostly emulate the examples set by their parents; alcoholic parents often raise alcoholic kids. Don't know of a single person who started drinking because Jimmi Hendrix choked on his own vomit.
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I disagree with the title of the article, "The Downfall of Lamar Odom. He has not completely fallen. He is still on this side, so there is hope for redemption. I just hope, he does continue with those Kardashian people. He will be better off, to stay with the people who knew him before he acquired fame. He should know better than to find solace in a bottle, drugs, or between a woman's leg. He does need help but he is not going to find it in the bottle, drugs, or sex. Gosh, he is worth 50 million dollars and he spent $75,000 at a brothel in 3 days and I am unemployed. Give me a break.
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I'm going to qualify this first by saying I sincerely hope Lamar Odom pulls through and makes a recovery and gets help for his drug dependence.
With that said why is the media making such a big deal about this? Just the other day documents on how the legal and logistical architectures behind the drone program were constructed, details on how people wind up on President Obama's "kill lists", revelations of startlingly regular intelligence flaws, internal analysis of collateral damage and the strategic limits of the program are only part of what's included in the cache. Yet where is the NYTimes front page coverage? Instead we get celebrity news. I'm not usually a conspiracy nut but I'm starting to believe that we are being brainwashed so we don't pay attention to what our "leaders" are doing.
With that said why is the media making such a big deal about this? Just the other day documents on how the legal and logistical architectures behind the drone program were constructed, details on how people wind up on President Obama's "kill lists", revelations of startlingly regular intelligence flaws, internal analysis of collateral damage and the strategic limits of the program are only part of what's included in the cache. Yet where is the NYTimes front page coverage? Instead we get celebrity news. I'm not usually a conspiracy nut but I'm starting to believe that we are being brainwashed so we don't pay attention to what our "leaders" are doing.
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Medically induced coma - not a good sign. No more basketball; hopefully another outlet/therapy will have a chance to be tried. Some people do not cope well and when socially acceptable safety nets fail them, drugs step in.
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His wife remains a dysfunctional wreck herself. Poor Lamar! Another in a very long line of celebrity casualties created and destroyed by the media.
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Sports are great.I'm good at it myself.Sports 'heroes'? Ask a high schooler if they know who Jonas Salk was. Kardashians?They know that name-blah,blah! The consumption of the trivial(Odom's life is not trivial)is the lifeblood of the mainstream.Blah,blah.
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I abhor the whole Kardashian universe due to the fact that they trade on drama, negativity and the wholesale exploitation of the seedy side of fame. There is a certain type of person who is attracted and addicted to DRAMA!!! which in the end, will leave anyone without a sense of self or security - or soul. It's very sad. I have only watched one episode in which Kim cried because she felt that her fame brought her sister's "shame" of having prurient photos taken when she was a teenager splashed all over the media. I actually felt bad for her then. I don't anymore because she and her family seem to have forgotten that emotion. That said, I've always liked Khloe. Of them all, she seems to be the most real and honest of the bunch.
Yet you paid for all of those episodes, through a "license fee" for E! that your TV provider negotiated on your behalf and tucked into your monthly bill. Wasn't that nice?
It is not enough to stop watching. You must also stop paying. Unfortunately there is only one way to do that: cut the cord or ground the bird.
It is not enough to stop watching. You must also stop paying. Unfortunately there is only one way to do that: cut the cord or ground the bird.
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Lorem Ipsum - you're right. We've cut our cable subscription to the bare minimum now simply to have internet access to be able to work from home. I can't wait for the day on which we are able to choose TV channels a la carte. But, you're right, cable providers have all of us over the barrel! Change better come soon or else we'll all just be Netflixing our way through life!
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Good on you, Surviving! I am an antenna-only TV viewer, and in a big metro like Atlanta, using a modest antenna, you should be able to pull in several dozen channels over the air. Check it out at the broadcast lobby's website antennaweb.org
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I didn't know anything about Mr. Odom's life before this week. But in reading about his past, I can't help but be touched by how much loss and sorrow he has faced and, until now, seemingly weathered. Sometimes the cup just gets too full. Perhaps the recent loss of his close friend was one drop too many...
By all accounts, he is a kind, loving guy who many feel nothing but affection for, which is quite telling. May those who know and love him offer him comfort and support and may his spirit be soothed in the process.
By all accounts, he is a kind, loving guy who many feel nothing but affection for, which is quite telling. May those who know and love him offer him comfort and support and may his spirit be soothed in the process.
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It is not seemly to endow with pathos and romantize the adult Mr. Odom, surrounded by oceans of drugs, and prostitutes, as a victim of an evils that were forced upon him.
Spending $75,000 for three (3) days in a Legal Brothel says it all. Lamar Odom found out that having two prostitutes, at the same time, for three (3) days was hazardous to his health and possibly will kill him.
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It was all those drugs, not the two prostitutes. Duh.
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All that matters now is that Lamar recover as quickly and as fully as he can. He is a flawed human being, just like the rest of us--all the more reason that he deserves our prayers and support at this tragic moment. I, too, hope that Lamar will survive and recover. Our thoughts and prayers are with him now.
He should have done this, he should have done that, say the people preachers that don't know addiction. We all know what's right. He was a kind person and I hope and I will just pray that he will be okay and maybe something good will come out of this. Hang in Lamar.
For those of you making jokes about this, I pray for you too. We all have our faults. His transgressions may be many, but only One was able to walk on water.
Lack of morals, lack of respect, and pure hatred are on the rise in our country. Blame the culture, the media, whatever you want to, but it’s true. While I know many make sinfulness their career and use hate to gain fame and fortune, most of us must live our lives by taking care of bills, chores, necessities, children, making a living and those things that comprise living a life.
I have to worry about my rent ($1000/month), health insurance ($410/month), internet ($80/month from TW), car insurance ($25/month from InsurancePanda), and phone ($20/month)… all on a 50k/year salary. And I know I shouldn’t complain because many people struggle much worse than I do.
We need to move away from the trash America is trending towards and get back to a society based on morals and class.
I'm hoping Lamar makes it, but he may have permanent damage to the brain from a stroke. I doubt his life will ever be the same.
For those of you making jokes about this, I pray for you too. We all have our faults. His transgressions may be many, but only One was able to walk on water.
Lack of morals, lack of respect, and pure hatred are on the rise in our country. Blame the culture, the media, whatever you want to, but it’s true. While I know many make sinfulness their career and use hate to gain fame and fortune, most of us must live our lives by taking care of bills, chores, necessities, children, making a living and those things that comprise living a life.
I have to worry about my rent ($1000/month), health insurance ($410/month), internet ($80/month from TW), car insurance ($25/month from InsurancePanda), and phone ($20/month)… all on a 50k/year salary. And I know I shouldn’t complain because many people struggle much worse than I do.
We need to move away from the trash America is trending towards and get back to a society based on morals and class.
I'm hoping Lamar makes it, but he may have permanent damage to the brain from a stroke. I doubt his life will ever be the same.
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Congratulate Reggie Bush. He had the sense to drop Kim Kardashian like a bad habit. Look at what has become of the men who maintained their associations with the women of that Klan. Robert, Bruce and now this. Kanye's own personal insanity might provide him some unique immunity. The Kardashian magic -- i.e., the ability to convert most talent and beauty into a vast fortune simply by exposing their shameless, hollow conceit to the world -- must also have toxic side-effects for the men who play along with it. Let's wish Lamar the very best and hope there is an antidote.
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Americans seem to dislike the notion of personal responsibility. A man makes his own choices. A man must accept responsibility for his actions. I day trade stocks with my own money. If I make a dumb trade, I lose thousands. That's on me. I don't pass the blame.
Odom had money, fame, and health.
Odom had money, fame, and health.
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Unfortunately you're simply wrong. Drug addiction does not really care if you have firm notions of personal responsibility or not. Personal responsibility is not the right framework for even beginning to think about drugs. These problems affect ALL segments of society and pay no attention to your moral character.
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"If I make a dumb trade, I lose thousands. "
Thousands, huh?
West of the Hudson, we call this a brag. And not a very good one either.
Thousands, huh?
West of the Hudson, we call this a brag. And not a very good one either.
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I quit smoking and I overcame benzo addiction. I did it alone. I spent three years alone in an apartment in Brooklyn suffering through it.
I think it's important to remember that there are two children at the end of this tragedy who will have to live with the fall out of this mess. Since the only thread holding Miss Kardashian to Mr. Odom was the lack of a judge's signature, I sincerely hope that she and her family step away and that they do not try to cash in or attempt to take over his estate. Hopefully a judge will appoint an appropriate Trustee who can look out for the best interests of Odom's children. They are the only two people who really matter in this scenario and their well-being should be front and center.
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The doctors and paramedics have confirmed cocaine, opiates, and track marks on his arms.
Don't know why the mainstream press is so protective of the stigma of a black man using hard drugs like heroin and crack.
Let's be honest. Like Len Bias, let's be real about the dangers.
This isn't about the Kardashians or his basketball glory days.
Don't know why the mainstream press is so protective of the stigma of a black man using hard drugs like heroin and crack.
Let's be honest. Like Len Bias, let's be real about the dangers.
This isn't about the Kardashians or his basketball glory days.
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Lamar Odom is merely proof that a life of money, fame, and debauchery leads to ones loss of their soul. Pray for the man and hope God grants him the ability to change his ways, and become a moral man seeking to do the will of God in all things. It profits a man not at all to gain the whole world and lose his immortal soul.
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how do you know he lost his soul? First off, he's not dead yet, right? second, maybe he will be forgiven.
you're leaping to conclusions.
you're leaping to conclusions.
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My father died in August. He was a WWII veteran B-17 pilot, one of the last of a very small club. He didn't get a write up in the NYT. Instead, we get to hear about some coddled drug addict athlete.
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I'm sorry for your loss. You should write it and submit it to nyt blog about death and dying.
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Your father deserved better.
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Sorry about Dad but he's a hero in my mind.
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There is a thin line between news and pandering to prurient interest. I doubt the tragedy of Mr Odom's will serve as an object lesson to other addicted youths as they are by definition not in control of their lives. Anyhow addicted youths often have plenty of tragic lessons of their family or friends which they have not heeded so what's the point?
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This story has nothing to do with the Kardashians. Abandonment by a parent during childhood wreaks havoc as great as any. Jeffrey Dahlmer's mother abandoned him. A few years ago I said goodbye to a friend who died of a drug addiction because he was tormented by the abandonment of his father for a "new family". He tried to get over it and become an amazing guitar player to overcome the insecurities inherent in abandonment. His father did not come to the funeral, which still affects us greatly. As for the children of addicts, that is another nightmare. Our country would be a lot better off if there was universal healthcare to deal with addiction, depression and mental illness, instead of allowing these troubled souls to cause destruction to themselves and others.
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The entire Kardashian clan's rise to public attention really is a modern parable to me about what happens when life becomes too easy and everything is never enough. This entire family has (through whatever circumstances) earned more money than anyone could ever hope for; they can enjoy every material aspect of the America dream. But at what consequence? The three eldest girls have seen their various marriages disintegrate and collapse, the mother's marriage too has crumbled under such scrutiny. All of the men involved in the show have all become different people (figuratively and actually in Bruce Jenner's case). They may all be rich but none of them seem happy at all; the entire juggernaut of their ascent has basically chewed them all up and all that's left are these hollow vessels hiding behind veneers of gaudy, tasteless but extremely expensive clothes, cars and physical procedures. If ever the axiom, All that glitters ain't gold needs proving, you only have to look at these people who above all else just seem lonely and desperate to be looked at. What kind of reality is that?
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Just another weak spirit (I classify drug addicts as weak, sorry) who has been destroyed by the ravenous media that panders to the lowest common denominator. It's unfortunate, but there have been many before him, and there will be many more.
All I can do about it is never watch any of that garbage, TMZ, TMI, Kardashian Katastrophes, none of it. If everyone did likewise, these people wouldn't be destroyed by the constant psychological damage of the scrutinizing eyes of millions of bored fools.
All I can do about it is never watch any of that garbage, TMZ, TMI, Kardashian Katastrophes, none of it. If everyone did likewise, these people wouldn't be destroyed by the constant psychological damage of the scrutinizing eyes of millions of bored fools.
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What frightens me is that more people know about these moronic women than what is going on in the world now. How scary is that?
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You are mistaken to classify drug addicts as weak. That is ignorance talking - ignorance of facts, reality.
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Weak spirit? Wow. I encourage you strongly to educate yourself about what the man has endured prior to this event before casting such stones. You have said volumes more about yourself in your remark than you can possibly know.
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I hope all the posters who are linking the fate of Lamar Odom to the absence of a responsible father are not the same ones who mocked Dan Quayle.
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Kardashians, codependency and toxic relationships make lots of money for the media these days. It's all so vulgar and hideous to look at, yet we can't avert our eyes. We're reading this aren't we?
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First of all; like anyone who grew up with a member of their family who had a major substance abuse/ addiction problem; my heart goes out to this man and his family. That said; I do believe there is a major morality lesson to be learned over this; which has more to do with the AMERICAN CULT (Yes cult) of celebrity status in the U.S.; where if you are rich and famous the rules and laws of the land do not apply to you. It is sickening to me how being famous for anything in the U.S. means people will turn a blind eye to reality and say nothing about such behavior until it is way too late. When I hear friends of Odom feared the worst long ago; it is sickening that nobody got in his face and said get help and clean up your act or else. Tough Love can does save lives. Too many vultures always enable the addiction to continue until it becomes a tragedy because they are afraid to offend the Golden Goose. One sees it way to often these days; but nothing will change until the cult of celebrity gets reigned in (Not holding my breath) and these people are told or confronted with the truth; rather than allowing it to spiral out of control; as it ALWAYS does!!
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How are people so certain that no one begged him to stop or got in his face? His wife divorced him, no doubt because she couldn't get him to stop doing drugs. Most people on drugs have acted horribly to their friends and family (who have tried to help) but at some point must protect their own mental health from abuse which inevitably comes from having an addict in one's life.
Is this story newsworthy? I would say not. Ex-NBA player runs out the string on a drug-filled, binge-ridden life. So what? Some comments reflect on the environment he grew up in -- the usual "society is to blame" mantra. In fact, not everyone who lived a similar youth has suffered the same fate. Some in fact have gone on to successful lives, even though they weren't blessed with athletic talent.
This is a dog bites man story fit for a small spot on a back page.
This is a dog bites man story fit for a small spot on a back page.
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The dysfunctional American world of reality television continues unabated. This is a sickness that breeds on itself. Even sports is not immune. When will this country wake up?
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Don't hold your breath.
Has anybody noticed (how could you not) that the products advertised the most often on TV are two male sexual enhansing drugs. Odom reportedly took 8 of one of these. That alone would kill most men. But all the news reports will not report the brand name of what he took. They focus more on illegal drug addiction. Could it be that the media does not want to make their advertising cash cow look bad or to suggest that these two drugs can actually kill you?
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It's not necessarily the drugs he took this particular time. It's that an addict will put anything into their body.
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I wished the article focused on his charity endeavors. He did exist before Khloe. It is newsworthy. The article just does not give him justice. If not for anything, as one comment states, it is a talking point for depression and addiction. No amount of money can help one escape these conditions. I just hate how our culture now more than ever sensationalizes these real human tragedies without offering solutions.
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Oh, I think all the money could definitely help him escape these conditions, i.e. depression and addiction, if he were seriously trying to escape. The circumstances of his current injury suggest that he isn't really trying.
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Perhaps this may also herald the demise of the Kardashians as a cultural signpost.
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That would be a great result. I would support beatification for Mr. Odom. But, enlighten me , how could that possible happen in our idiocracy?
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Pseudo self esteem, celebrity worship, drugs. Hollywood is a tough town!
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Odom survived in the only way he knew how, through basketball. When that left him, he had nowhere else to go but back to his old habits. A story told over and over again. As Bob Marley said as he lay dying, "money can't buy life."
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I can't believe how callous and judgmental some of these comments are! Lamar Odom by all accounts sounds like a kind, generous human being, which is more than can be said for some of these commenters.
His mother died at 12, his father was a drug addict, he lost his child to SIDS... If there is anyone on this thread who has experienced all of those things, speak up, please!!
His mother died at 12, his father was a drug addict, he lost his child to SIDS... If there is anyone on this thread who has experienced all of those things, speak up, please!!
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Hey, hellluva guy, hanging out at the brothel for a little sex binge with paid partners, ingesting enough drugs, legal and illegal, to land himself in a coma. Just a fine, upstanding sort of fellow. Regular role model for American youth.
Before I read this article, I had never heard of Lamar Odom. If more people had never heard of Lamar Odom -- or the Kardashians, for that matter -- this country might have a chance to right itself. No decent person should take pleasure at Odoms' misfortunes, but his circumstances, his fame, the associations, the values, the exploitation, the dysfunction put on world-wide display -- they are a symptom of the rot that has infected the culture and continues to impede the progress of this nation. We, as a nation, need to yawn at the Kardashians and their ilk and consign them to the oblivion they deserve.
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This would not be such a big story if Mr. Odom just played basketball. He was a role player at best.
His involvement with that silly family in the Valley make it more of a story. If this were TMZ or one of those syndicated entertainment shows, I could understand. But this paper? Just a few stories down from the hugely important story about women supers? The major networks? My man Lester?
I don't get it. We are doomed.
His involvement with that silly family in the Valley make it more of a story. If this were TMZ or one of those syndicated entertainment shows, I could understand. But this paper? Just a few stories down from the hugely important story about women supers? The major networks? My man Lester?
I don't get it. We are doomed.
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Lamar Odom is a grown man. If adults didn't embrace him and support him as an abandoned youngster, that's one thing. (And maybe the lesson is to stop pushing black boys to become basketball players and give them lots of love and support to be mentally healthy, educated, versatile human beings instead.) But he's 35 years old. He needed mental health services. Clearly, surrounding himself with fair-skinned wives, hookers, and drugs wasn't the answer. He could have devoted himself to raising his children or to a cause (Black Lives Matter, perhaps). But looking for happiness with the Kardashians? Really?
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There is an experimental anti-cocaine vaccine that may provide a deep and lasting solution to the problem of cocaine addiction.
It blocks the high that cocaine users get by blocking the effects of cocaine itself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936703/
Google anti-cocaine vaccine.
It blocks the high that cocaine users get by blocking the effects of cocaine itself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936703/
Google anti-cocaine vaccine.
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This is a human tragedy pure and simple but I think the Kardashians will somehow publicize this as part of their reality show world.
I hope that he recovers and moves on with his life.
I hope that he recovers and moves on with his life.
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A man in his early thirties should have no reason to take the alleged 10 Viagra herbal tablets, cocaine and alcohol at some brothel in Las Vegas. Was he planning on have a two week sex binge with his other binges. With all the money he had it seems someone over time would have admonished him what all those substances could do to harm him. It's not like he didn't have access to knowledgeable people. Odom it seems was a straight up ghetto kid with a street life who was made into something because of his height and ability to star/excel in basketball. He learned little else about the principles of life. He only knew the things he romanced from the street life where he came from. Getting high, playing the ladies, dressing nice, partying...all the sins and lust of the flesh. The similar behavior where Magic Johnson got HIV Aids...married, but having sex with untold women at each NBA stop. Excessive partying, drugging etc. The truth hurts, but these guys knew better but most thought they were to young and famous to be harmed; or immune to the dangers of excess. And, his choice of mixing it with Kourtney Dardahian tells us a little bit more about his state of mind. Players with their head put on straight never would have made a move like that permanent.
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“I wish he had just come home and surrounded himself with the genuine, loving people who have been there for you from the beginning.” This about sums it up.
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This is not a story about a basketball star or a reality TV celebrity. It is the story of a child who grew up in one of the richest cities in human history and yet faced almost unimaginable loneliness, pain, and fear during that time. My heart breaks for the man. He deserved love, and he still does.
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Nearly all of these comments are insulting or blaming the Kardashian family. I'm not interested in that kind of show so I've never watched it, but I think we can all hold grown men responsible for their own choices.
As this article explains, Odom was depressed and using drugs before he met his future wife and in-laws. These "evil" and "vapid" reality stars reportedly staged an intervention for him, which he rejected. Disassociating with an addict who refuses treatment is the only recourse for family members who find their own relationships and lives being derailed by drugs--just not drugs they use personally.
Think what you want about the Kardashians--who cares?--but to blame other people (read: a group of women) for one man's self-destructive behavior smacks of misogyny.
As this article explains, Odom was depressed and using drugs before he met his future wife and in-laws. These "evil" and "vapid" reality stars reportedly staged an intervention for him, which he rejected. Disassociating with an addict who refuses treatment is the only recourse for family members who find their own relationships and lives being derailed by drugs--just not drugs they use personally.
Think what you want about the Kardashians--who cares?--but to blame other people (read: a group of women) for one man's self-destructive behavior smacks of misogyny.
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I'm sure it was an "intervention" that was filmed. They don't do anything that is not for public consumption.
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You're "sure"? Why, because you've spent so much private time with those folks? I think the s-word you're looking for is "speculating".
A $75k 3-day brothel binge, $56 million net worth, 15 year career, a celebrity (Kard.) profile/lifestyle...
Feel sorry for this man's plight. But can't avoid thinking about hundreds of poor, starving families who could have been fed and cared for with a fraction of what he was paid for moving a ball and showing-up in the celebrity circles, and what he was spending on frivolous pursuits now threatening his life.
Too much $$$, too much celebrity-mindset intoxication and ensuing excesses. And (unfortunately) too little pragmatic thinking, behavior and empathy for the common folk.
Hope he recovers.
Feel sorry for this man's plight. But can't avoid thinking about hundreds of poor, starving families who could have been fed and cared for with a fraction of what he was paid for moving a ball and showing-up in the celebrity circles, and what he was spending on frivolous pursuits now threatening his life.
Too much $$$, too much celebrity-mindset intoxication and ensuing excesses. And (unfortunately) too little pragmatic thinking, behavior and empathy for the common folk.
Hope he recovers.
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I can't believe that I'm defending the Kardashians-but to those who insist righteously that Khloe Kardashian should keep her distance-she can't right now. She is legally his next-of-kin and has to make the medical decisions. (The divorce was not finalized.) They didn't bring cameras, they're not tweeting et al. throughout, they are the people who showed up for him despite the estrangement. They flew in his children and father. Khloe's family is supporting her as she makes end-of-life decisions for him. Those are weighty, challenging matters no matter who you are.
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And, this is REAL reality...tragedy in so many dimensions. The Kardashians may have millions watching, but the sad reality is that their whole dysfunctional, narcissistic, greed for attention certainly had something to do with Lamars downfall. If only partly, our world has no idea of reality when watching this family...its destructive, and a family of greed, exhibitionism and has destroyed lives.
You may be right, but I can't help but wonder if the decision of the Kardashians to be sensitive about the situation were made over the course of various business meeting and on the basis of the likely effect on long-term ratings.
Lamar Odom's role in the lives, and television show, of the Kardashians seems to be more of a casting decision than a marital and family relationship. The greatest oxymoron in use today is the phrase "reality television". If it has anything to do with television, it has nothing to do with reality.
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[[Knowing his attention and effort sometimes flagged over the course of the season, he hoped the show would help hold him accountable. “That’s almost like the added incentive a little bit,” Odom said.]]
Nice that millions of dollars from the NBA couldn't do the trick.
Nice that millions of dollars from the NBA couldn't do the trick.
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Lamar, may God be with you, support you and give you strength. Let us find compassion in our hearts to know that you are a man, just like us, and not superhuman. Just a guy who was struggling no matter what the circumstances (reality tv, nba, etc). Addiction, depression, etc. are not cause for us to blame or walk away. Life is full of second chances.
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As I read the 121 comments I'm reminded of the quote "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle". I didn't detect much kindness in a lot of these comments. We're all connected and should take care of one another.
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Like many, I thought this was just a tabloid story that made it into the pages of the Gray Lady.
However, the more I read up on Mr. Odom, the more I realize that this was a man chased by Death and tragedy his whole life. His father an addict, a mother that died from cancer when he was 12, his grandmother and guardian died when he was 23, his infant child died from SIDS, a cousin slayed.
This is not a tabloid story, this is a story of human tragedy.
However, the more I read up on Mr. Odom, the more I realize that this was a man chased by Death and tragedy his whole life. His father an addict, a mother that died from cancer when he was 12, his grandmother and guardian died when he was 23, his infant child died from SIDS, a cousin slayed.
This is not a tabloid story, this is a story of human tragedy.
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Geez. If this was the typical story about the Kartrashians I would agree with most of the negative comments--not worthy news. To me this is just one of many stories about a young black man from a fairly tough neighborhood in Queens. A broken family, lost his mother, drug addict father, no real support system. He had the jump shot so he didn't need to slang crack rock...right? At the end of the day no amount of money helps overcome these obstacles if their not dealt with appropriately and faced head on. So he fell in with the wrong crowd--not a street gang but just as vicious--and it lead to his ultimate downfall, as it always does.
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For the "issues that matter" people posting here, this is actually an issue that matters. A modern tragedy of another athlete chewed up and spit out by contemporary American culture is worthy of note. As American professional sports reaches for ever younger talent, as the sports machine churns out ever more essentially uneducated fodder, these stories will continue and grow more numerous.
As fans, we're the ones who drive this exploitation and creation of one dimensional men who are so apt to flounder once the glory days are gone.
As fans, we're the ones who drive this exploitation and creation of one dimensional men who are so apt to flounder once the glory days are gone.
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"He also wanted help.
“ 'Then why did you move to Las Vegas?' the coach, Gary Charles, recalled asking him."
A move to Ground Zero for everything that's wrong with today's United States is not a good idea for the troubled. We have a whole city full of them - and now, we have one more to deal with. Was it a cry for help, or a suicide pact with himself? We may never know.
“ 'Then why did you move to Las Vegas?' the coach, Gary Charles, recalled asking him."
A move to Ground Zero for everything that's wrong with today's United States is not a good idea for the troubled. We have a whole city full of them - and now, we have one more to deal with. Was it a cry for help, or a suicide pact with himself? We may never know.
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Everything about the Kardashians is sordid. Everything. Everything.
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Drug addiction. Sex addiction. Publicity addiction.
It seems like life counseling services should be available to star athletes from a young age. They're given so many other advantages, why not provide something that will keep them from self-destruction when life goes either extremely well or downhill?
It seems like life counseling services should be available to star athletes from a young age. They're given so many other advantages, why not provide something that will keep them from self-destruction when life goes either extremely well or downhill?
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This reads like an obit.
I don't wish anyone ill and don't mean to sound judgmental but I seriously wonder how people can squander such opportunity, especially the result of personal talent. True, everyone has demons and "issues", but how can anyone waste so much?
I don't wish anyone ill and don't mean to sound judgmental but I seriously wonder how people can squander such opportunity, especially the result of personal talent. True, everyone has demons and "issues", but how can anyone waste so much?
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Aside from his celebrity connections, he was a high-profile sports figure, admired by many aficionados. People like to read about them when they have a rags to riches story with a happy ending. This is a tragic story of one man's struggle to center himself in spite of his rough childhood. The mean spirited comments sound like first world white privilege casting judgment.
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This was one of the few articles on Mr. Odom that discussed Mr. Odom without making him a bit player to Kardashian, Inc. Over the past few days stories have come out about how Mr. Odom conducted himself while playing sports, and he seemed like the kind of athlete children could look up to. Given the amount of heartache he experienced, coupled with coming to the end of a career he loved, it is not surprising that without the tools to cope with overwhelming, consistent loss, that he turned to negative behaviors. No one is perfect, and no one handles life perfectly, to me his life story is an example of that. I wish Mr. Odom, his family, friends, and fans nothing but lovingkindness during this difficult time.
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Why not tell us about a black American to whom other young people whatever their ethnicity can look up to?
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Dual citizen-USA-SE
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Dual citizen-USA-SE
Ever heard of Barack Obama? He gets lots of news coverage.
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Pretty sad. The status of Lamar's relationship with Khloe is unclear, what does "estranged" mean? Anyway, if he and Khloe are not divorced, then she is next of kin and can most likely make the necessary medical decisions. Lamar's life was troubled before he met Khloe based on his problematic childhood, drug use and no apparent relationships with people of character. If it reaches the point where Lamar is not going to make it, I hope he will be quietly taken off life support and allowed to die in peace. So sad.
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Mr. Odom is a prime example of the consequences of bad decisions.
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I pray for Lamar and his family may God healed him protect him this is so sad I pray God will give him another change to live and change his life around for him kids friends and be a good example for the world God is good his in control of the situation
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More detrtus from kardashian clan. Kanye your next.
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This is an extremely sad story about a talented basketball player who has been betrayed and used by the Kardashians and Lakers, now resorting to drugs and highs to escape his pain. I wish him not only recovery, but helpful guidance to get his life together and get the help he needs. His story is sensational, but it is representative of many others in this world. That's why it is great that it has been featured in the NYT.
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This guy has certainly had a tortured and misguided life. He has probably also been take advantage of by his family. Now, he crashes and burns, and all the media can center on is that he was found unresponsive in a brothel. The same thing could have occurred in a hotel or his own home.
Give this man a break and let him take the issues that he faces without kicking him while he is down.
Give this man a break and let him take the issues that he faces without kicking him while he is down.
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My gut reaction is congruity with for those who think the media wastes too much time on failed people (which includes the Kardashians,who are all failures in my opinion), but the NYT's treatment usually serves to highlight what a failed popular culture we have created in the US. Our style of capitalism is flush with so-called business people who monetize human failure and misery. Few seem to have standards any more. I would conclude myself to be a human failure if I had to exploit weak people to make money.
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He made his bed now he gets to lie in it. As for reality tv...all that has done is normalize bad behavior.
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Sadly, it was an accident waiting to happen. His loss of his parents at a very young age left a scar that has not healed. I don't believe the brothel's version and they should be held somewhat accountable. So should the Kardashians. Maybe this a wake up call to them that they pay a price for fleeting fame and empty materialism. Godspeed, Lamar.
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Odom's quote, "When the ball stops bouncing, it stops bouncing." is the kernel of this story. Professional sports in general has created a subculture of physically gifted but maturity-impaired men. Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" is their autobiography set to music. Only those who can laugh about their "glory days" survive.
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How many times do we hear about people succumbing to well known addictions and the friends and family can't stop pointing out what "a great and funny human being" he or she was. Why is it always after the fact that those closest share wonderful stories about the person in so dire need.
The Kardashian's had plenty of time to get on every TV show, every magazine cover and jet around the world. But not enough time, courage and common sense to help pull Lamar back from the edge. Addiction is rugged. Nasty, nasty stuff. But it takes a village to save someone from his own demons.
Look around. Do you have a friend or family with serious problem? That everyone knows is REALLY serious? Do something. For Gods sake do something. Help them. It's hard and it takes a lot of love and time and strength. But we can all save lives.
The addicted can't help themselves. Ask anyone who has made it back from the pits of hell and they will tell you they didn't do it alone. It's a community effort.
By all accounts Lamar was a great guy. With great friends who loved him. But all too busy to get hi back from the dark side. Such a shame. Somehow we are always too late.
I am not attempting to place blame or over simplify. But there is strength in numbers and love. Letting the sunshine back into your soul is never easy. Hoping he recovers. And if he does, I am hoping he can reach out and help the next person who falls. Addiction is rampant in our nation today. Let's help each other.
The Kardashian's had plenty of time to get on every TV show, every magazine cover and jet around the world. But not enough time, courage and common sense to help pull Lamar back from the edge. Addiction is rugged. Nasty, nasty stuff. But it takes a village to save someone from his own demons.
Look around. Do you have a friend or family with serious problem? That everyone knows is REALLY serious? Do something. For Gods sake do something. Help them. It's hard and it takes a lot of love and time and strength. But we can all save lives.
The addicted can't help themselves. Ask anyone who has made it back from the pits of hell and they will tell you they didn't do it alone. It's a community effort.
By all accounts Lamar was a great guy. With great friends who loved him. But all too busy to get hi back from the dark side. Such a shame. Somehow we are always too late.
I am not attempting to place blame or over simplify. But there is strength in numbers and love. Letting the sunshine back into your soul is never easy. Hoping he recovers. And if he does, I am hoping he can reach out and help the next person who falls. Addiction is rampant in our nation today. Let's help each other.
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That is a wonderful sentiment, but by the time an addict falls as hard as Lamar Odom, they've already exhausted all the good will, patience, understanding and money from their family, friends, and others who care about them. It's their years of lying, cheating, deceiving, stealing and preying upon everyone else, which creates an emotional chasm that's almost impossible to repair while their personal tragedy is playing out. Add that to the already long list of damages inflicted by the addict's insatiable need for another 'hit' of their drug.
Right on, so true. And all it takes is love and compassion. Love.
I appreciate your intent here, but I've been through this with my brother and can tell you that there is only so much a family or friend can do when someone is an addict and in self-destructive mode. Many times I had to separate in order to not get pulled down with my brother. There is a fine line to be walked by being supportive but not enabling, showing unconditional love while setting limits. In the end, sadly, sometimes you cannot help someone.
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As an addict in recovery I had to hit a 'bottom' in order to gain in the humility to say I needed help from others and to accept it. More often than not -it doesn't happen. Pride, ego and people chosen to be around all influence. Mr. Odom is the usual outcome, not an exception. Addiction like other mental and emotional obsessions can be held in check with a spiritual experience- a change in a person enough to seek help humbly. I know this and was lucky. He may not get the chance. His message is just as powerful. Addictions love everyone- class, money and all that don't matter to it's force.
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I have great sympathy for Odom and for those who love him. I lost a sister to alcohol addiction. It's a terrible thing, no matter how famous (or not) you are.
Lamar, I hope you pull through.
Lamar, I hope you pull through.
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This is the first time I've ever heard of Mr. Odom, so I'm grateful to the NYT for covering this tragedy.
A few thoughts: while I have no problem with legal brothels, any brothel that would let its employees bleed a broken Mr. Odom like a bunch of leeches should be put out of business.
It's one thing to provide an honest service and expect to get paid for it, it's something else entirely to circle overhead like a pack of vultures waiting to feast on a corpse. This brothel gives all hard-working prostitutes a bad name.
Secondly, some of the comments here are truly heartbreaking. Mr. Odom's childhood was chaotic, and when his dad shows up now, he usually needs money. The one stabilizing force in his life was basketball, and that is apparently over.
How can so many people lack compassion for a man who seemingly devoted his life to a search for stability only to repeatedly find people looking to exploit him for their own purposes?
Sure, he may have had money, but given that he obviously had no idea how to protect himself, even his money would have eventually run out.
I suspect a lot of these comments are motivated by envy, by people who feel they never had the opportunities that Odom had, and that, if only they had been given those opportunities, they wouldn't have screwed them up like Odom did.
Well, to all those mean spirited commenters out there, your lack of humanity toward an obviously hurting man makes all of you a much bigger group of losers than Odom could ever be.
A few thoughts: while I have no problem with legal brothels, any brothel that would let its employees bleed a broken Mr. Odom like a bunch of leeches should be put out of business.
It's one thing to provide an honest service and expect to get paid for it, it's something else entirely to circle overhead like a pack of vultures waiting to feast on a corpse. This brothel gives all hard-working prostitutes a bad name.
Secondly, some of the comments here are truly heartbreaking. Mr. Odom's childhood was chaotic, and when his dad shows up now, he usually needs money. The one stabilizing force in his life was basketball, and that is apparently over.
How can so many people lack compassion for a man who seemingly devoted his life to a search for stability only to repeatedly find people looking to exploit him for their own purposes?
Sure, he may have had money, but given that he obviously had no idea how to protect himself, even his money would have eventually run out.
I suspect a lot of these comments are motivated by envy, by people who feel they never had the opportunities that Odom had, and that, if only they had been given those opportunities, they wouldn't have screwed them up like Odom did.
Well, to all those mean spirited commenters out there, your lack of humanity toward an obviously hurting man makes all of you a much bigger group of losers than Odom could ever be.
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Very well said. Couldn't agree more.
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My heart goes out to Lamar, a hurting and confused young man, who needs the love, affection and direction of someone who will act in his best interest. He has not had an over zealous parent directing him like many people with his stardom has had, and he is not sophisticated enough to know of the pitfalls that all the glamour games bring. I pray for his recovery and his well being.
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In this entire article, is there one mention of his obtaining an education??? Though "basketball" was his escape from his childhood environment and past, it appears from this article that is all that he had. If the worst happens, I hope this is a lesson for some.
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Yes.
[[He dropped out of Nevada-Las Vegas before playing a single game as the N.C.A.A. investigated his test scores. He declared for the N.B.A. draft after one season at Rhode Island.]]
[[He dropped out of Nevada-Las Vegas before playing a single game as the N.C.A.A. investigated his test scores. He declared for the N.B.A. draft after one season at Rhode Island.]]
Addiction is a terrible disease, and destroys so many people in this country. This is another sad tale of one of its many victims.
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I don't buy that addiction is a disease, cancer is a disease, lupus is a disease, you choose to put alcohol or drugs into your system, you do it willingly. You don't get to choose if you get cancer and the like. No education, too much time and money on his hands and married to a kardashian, what a lethal combination.
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It's an unfortunate situation. He seems a man adrift in his life. Based on this article this isn't surprising since it seems he never had the secure foundation of a secure childhood life and rearing. One that, perhaps, most readers here have had. I have lived long enough to recognize the fortunate aspect of my own childhood, and also to recognize the lack of it (and its impact) on others around me. My observation is that some overcome being so untethered; they go on to create their own lives with the security they did not earlier receive both for themselves and their progeny. Others do not. Odom seems a sad example of the latter case. If he survives this period I wish him well in finding that quiet space and, along with the help from those who love him, building that life he needs.
John~
American Net'Zen
John~
American Net'Zen
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I hope that if I ever end up being in critical care, people won't descend on me publicly like vultures, clucking about my faults.
Lamar is a person like all of us. And he has family and friends who are devastated by what has happened. Don't add to their pain.
Lamar is a person like all of us. And he has family and friends who are devastated by what has happened. Don't add to their pain.
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My sentiment for this well off individual is that you reap what you sow. Hanging out with nothing's village reality celebrities, fathering at last two illegitimate children continuing drug use and spending large amounts of savings at sex ranches does not endow one for continuing success.
It's sad what happen to this guy, however the constant media coverage is ridiculous and stupid! Enough!
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The Kardashians will ruthlessly and relentlessly monetize Lama Odom's downfall, illness, eventual death, and afterlife.
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Until this incident, I had no idea who Lamar Odom was. Upon learning of his involvement with the Kardashians and the reality TV thing, my first reaction to his plight was to offer the comment, "let's hope he signed a non-resuscitation directive." Now that I Know more about him, I feel somewhat more sympathetic, but not much. I mean, spending your final days in a brothel high on drugs and alcohol? Sweet dreams, fellow. You would hope others caught up in this gutter culture would learn from this, but few of us will hold our breaths. Just don't come looking for my sympathy when you meet your inevitable pathetic end.
One suggestion: did you ever think of using the money you spend on booze, drugs, houses, cars, and dames, to accomplish something good in the world? Like scholarships for deprived youth? Donations to food pantries? Maybe if you did more for others, you would feel better about yourself, even if you got traded to the Mavericks. And pick a better wife.
One suggestion: did you ever think of using the money you spend on booze, drugs, houses, cars, and dames, to accomplish something good in the world? Like scholarships for deprived youth? Donations to food pantries? Maybe if you did more for others, you would feel better about yourself, even if you got traded to the Mavericks. And pick a better wife.
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I can only hope this will not be the attitude you bring to the troubled individuals you might meet in the course of your life.
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Apparently he was an active philanthropist and did indeed give away his money to help lots of people.
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Not being a sports fan or reader of gossip magazines where the Kardashian family dominates did not know much about Lamar Odom. Then come the media focusing on his downfall binging on herbal Viagra in prostitute quarters was disgusting.
Reading this article shed lights on Mr. Odom`s downfall, like so many athletes growing up without parental guidance with too much money adds another statistics to a sad story.
Wish Lamar Odom a full recovery.
Reading this article shed lights on Mr. Odom`s downfall, like so many athletes growing up without parental guidance with too much money adds another statistics to a sad story.
Wish Lamar Odom a full recovery.
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There is a psychological "place" in our minds called Stage. Every adult has some of their intellect and awareness involved in this semi-realistic realm. In other words, in one way or another we are all on Stage. Most of us either enjoy this, bathe in it or are not even aware that we are there. But for someone like Lamar who has been thrown into the Limelight, coming from obscure origins this Stage can be excruciatingly too Bright. So, drugs or some other means of dulling the senses and blinding, blocking out the intrusive light that the person has found them under becomes an escape hatch that one would run to even if it were dangerous, self-destructive and possibly fatal. He ran for cover and I do indeed hope he shall recover.
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This proves that reality TV leads to brain atrophy.
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What a sad, sad story of a man suffering . My heart goes out to him and the people that love him. When it comes down to it, only Lamar can help himself. Hopefully, this will be his low point where he can reassess his life and get healthy. Such a beautiful soul lost and sick..... May the force be with you...
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Maybe it's the result of reaching a certain age, but I no longer stare at the human car crashes that are put on display by the media day after day. They do not make me safer, more enlightened or a better person. And am I going to waste time fruitlessly projecting everything that's wrong with America/sports/celebrities/etc. into a single person's behavior? No thanks.
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There are enough tidbits of information here that would cause someone with experience with bipolar disorders to suspect that Lamar may be bipolar. If Lamar was bipolar and was not diagnosed or being treated then he could have wound up in this situation regardless of all the other circumstances.
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It's a sad story to read about Mr. Odom. But a part of me can't help wondering if Ms. Kardashian is at his side purely for the ratings and no other reason.
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The Kardashians and Odom deserve each other.
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Money and Fame don't make you happy.
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People who have no sympathy for those suffering from addiction kill me with their righteousness. Everyone makes mistakes and addiction is a sinkhole of mistakes that is difficult to get out of when your life is on a downward trajectory. Yes, I pray for Lamar. I have no specific prayer, just that God's will be done in his life and that he have peace. I do this despite the fact that he was found in a brothel with drugs in his system. I know about his sins. He still deserves grace.
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How sad this has happened to Lamar Odom. With his father's history of drug abuse and the loss of his mother when he was 12 he had a great deal to contend with.
How unfortunate that he was put in the situation of having no privacy because of his involvement with the TV shows.
I pray that he survives and finds a life filled with peace and meaningful work.
How unfortunate that he was put in the situation of having no privacy because of his involvement with the TV shows.
I pray that he survives and finds a life filled with peace and meaningful work.
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Alcoholism!! This article should begin and end about the disease of alcoholism which is what has brought him to the common end of untreated alcoholism - jails, institutions, and death. I hope he lives to recover.
And to the haters, alcoholism is a disease recognized by the AMA and insurance companies - it is not moral failing.
And to the haters, alcoholism is a disease recognized by the AMA and insurance companies - it is not moral failing.
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Lamar Odom's predicament is a tragic but classic example of "An examined life (even one filled with fame and fortune) is not worth living." Fortunately, it's never too late--until it is.
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Ooops. "An unexamined life is not worth living."
Socrates said "An UNEXAMINED life is not worth living". The man lost a baby to SIDS and the article omits that, as do you. THAT is classic.
I think the NYT coverage of this story has repeatedly missed an opportunity to point out that drug addiction--particularly opiate addiction--is a national health crisis. This article makes clear that this man experienced significant traumas throughout his life. He was also apparently surrounded by drug use from a young age. These are perfect circumstances for addiction to develop. It's no mystery what causes behavior like this, and it seems like his trade from the Lakers was a final blow that he couldn't recover from without help. Unfortunately, he didn't get that help, and not for lack of other people trying. I read elsewhere that Karsashian staged an intervention he rebuffed and that she separated from him as a result. This is a story that is playing out across America with all kinds of families. If there is one thing Odom's story demonstrates, it's that addiction does not discriminate and that fame&fortune don't heal trauma. America needs to get serious about mental health and addiction. If Lamar Odom had received trauma therapy, perhaps he wouldn't be in this condition today.
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Success caries with it all kinds of temptation and the final analysis with a few wrong choices this could be anyone of us. THAT is what makes the story newsworthy.
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Cheap and highly potent drugs are the bane of these celebrities in the 21st century. In the good old days there was just natural and far less potent heroin.
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Lamar Odom is on the razors edge in intensive care and to me the headline of this article as well as its' tone is disrespectful and lacks the dignity that any human being in Lamar Odom's situation deserves simply because he is a human being.
All the suppositions, opinions and friendly conclusions aside his actions were those of a human being in pain, in deep suffering. Maybe if we reflected upon that, sent prayers and positive energy to him, and to his family who are dealing with one of the most difficult situations anyone can imagine we could do Lamar some good. Because he was on reality TV and is a famous sports figure does not mean it is moral as a journalist to write about him while he is in critical condition in the ICU by running over him, replaying every perceived lapse in judgment or flaw in his personality. The incredible lack of compassion and sensitivity in the article reads more like an obituary or an op-ed piece and that makes it offensive.
Please remember substance abuse is an illness and a psychological issue and your condescension and harshness illustrates an all too common tendency to enjoy seeing someone fall and a broader failure to write about Lamar Odom in a more nuanced way. I know I cannot judge where he was at when the "assumed" mistakes he made led him to the situation he is in. Can you? And we do not know everything that led to his loss of consciousness. You can do better. I hope you will. Most of all I want Lamar to be here with us.
All the suppositions, opinions and friendly conclusions aside his actions were those of a human being in pain, in deep suffering. Maybe if we reflected upon that, sent prayers and positive energy to him, and to his family who are dealing with one of the most difficult situations anyone can imagine we could do Lamar some good. Because he was on reality TV and is a famous sports figure does not mean it is moral as a journalist to write about him while he is in critical condition in the ICU by running over him, replaying every perceived lapse in judgment or flaw in his personality. The incredible lack of compassion and sensitivity in the article reads more like an obituary or an op-ed piece and that makes it offensive.
Please remember substance abuse is an illness and a psychological issue and your condescension and harshness illustrates an all too common tendency to enjoy seeing someone fall and a broader failure to write about Lamar Odom in a more nuanced way. I know I cannot judge where he was at when the "assumed" mistakes he made led him to the situation he is in. Can you? And we do not know everything that led to his loss of consciousness. You can do better. I hope you will. Most of all I want Lamar to be here with us.
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A man who grew up without a mother and father starts taking drugs to dull the loss of his son & best friend, loses his basketball career, admits to cheating on his wife in a magazine interview, but somehow readers want to blame it all on his ex-mother-in-law? How about admitting that some people's lives are much harder than those of the average NYTimes reader.
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Another victim of sex, drugs and rock & roll. Despite a very tough childhood, he possessed a talent that could have propelled him to a successful and healthy life. But he made his choices and he ends up alone and near death in a brothel. That has to be the funniest and saddest legacy for any person.
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Sex, drugs and rock & roll indeed - Isn't this how Entwhistle from the Who ended up ? Aging, In a Hotel room in Vegas. Stroking out with a Hooker and a Lot of Coke ?
This Odom Guy, will find out just how quickly they all walk away, and turn to a new piece of Raw Meat for the Celebrity Grinder.
This Odom Guy, will find out just how quickly they all walk away, and turn to a new piece of Raw Meat for the Celebrity Grinder.
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Terribly sad story on many levels, from Odom's early years through to Kardashians.
The TMZs and reality tv shows have degraded our entertainment to an unspeakable level. Much to learn here if one bothers to hear it.
The cameras are outside his hospital room with Khloe.
Wishing you best of luck Lamar Odom, you sound like a sincerely kind but sad man.
There but for fortune go you or I.
The TMZs and reality tv shows have degraded our entertainment to an unspeakable level. Much to learn here if one bothers to hear it.
The cameras are outside his hospital room with Khloe.
Wishing you best of luck Lamar Odom, you sound like a sincerely kind but sad man.
There but for fortune go you or I.
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I usually pay no attention to the world of professional sports - until the New York Times writes such thoughtful pieces. I am a better person because of this newspaper's work.
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There are tons of burning issues to talk about than these Lamar and Kardashians.
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...and yet you took the time to comment on them.
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For many years I have said "those who can, do." What this means in this connection is that the hoity toity self-righteous crowd who orgiastically point fingers at this man in these comments and elsewhere can only claim not to have done the things he did because they couldn't. If they'd had the opportunity they would have done the same. Sometimes an opportunity is a curse.
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Your comment sounds exactly as shallow as someone from Califor...oh, wait. You are.
No, the comments are NOT because one 'couldn't (and, unlike the Unreality of that roach family, and other self-described 'rich,' real rich people don't toot their own town.
As one example, you wouldn't think twice if you saw some shnooky-looking guy, dressed in loafers, and corduroys and glasses.
The person I was just referring to was one of the wealthiest men in the planet; Bill Gates.
Someone who's really rich isn't going to go around nd tell everyone, and act like this clown-car does - you'd never hold on to your money.
The way you talk is exactly like someone who's sole mode of judgment is on appearance - an extremely shallow way.
No, the comments are NOT because one 'couldn't (and, unlike the Unreality of that roach family, and other self-described 'rich,' real rich people don't toot their own town.
As one example, you wouldn't think twice if you saw some shnooky-looking guy, dressed in loafers, and corduroys and glasses.
The person I was just referring to was one of the wealthiest men in the planet; Bill Gates.
Someone who's really rich isn't going to go around nd tell everyone, and act like this clown-car does - you'd never hold on to your money.
The way you talk is exactly like someone who's sole mode of judgment is on appearance - an extremely shallow way.
I am sorry that the chappie is suffering...
But how sorry should we all be that this man made more money in a year than most of us might make in ten or twenty years and yet he could not help but to put it up his nose.
Sorry, but sorry isn't enough. The entire culture of sports is to blame.
Entirely too often young men - most often from impoverished backgrounds are seduced by rich winnings. They have no sense of self. They have no sense of control.
They kill themselves or some one else.
Most end their lives poor because when they had the money they wasted it on bodyguards and retinues of managers - oh because that is so cool !! - instead of saving for their later, crippled, futures.
Hey.... Ask Mohammad Ali.....
God bless the America of organized sports and what it does to people....
And, by the way, heaven help us..
But how sorry should we all be that this man made more money in a year than most of us might make in ten or twenty years and yet he could not help but to put it up his nose.
Sorry, but sorry isn't enough. The entire culture of sports is to blame.
Entirely too often young men - most often from impoverished backgrounds are seduced by rich winnings. They have no sense of self. They have no sense of control.
They kill themselves or some one else.
Most end their lives poor because when they had the money they wasted it on bodyguards and retinues of managers - oh because that is so cool !! - instead of saving for their later, crippled, futures.
Hey.... Ask Mohammad Ali.....
God bless the America of organized sports and what it does to people....
And, by the way, heaven help us..
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If the Sports System is to blame - you might ask where the Ridiculous amount of Money actually comes from ?
The entire thing - a complete waste of time & Money
The entire thing - a complete waste of time & Money
He made more in a year then 99% of us make in a lifetime.
4 year contract 2009-12 $32,800,000, average yearly salary $8,200,000.
4 year contract 2009-12 $32,800,000, average yearly salary $8,200,000.
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A tragic cautionary tale.
I'm glad Lamar has friends who love him and see his vulnerability but it's hard to understand why nobody talks to him about his problems. They should always have been his refuge, then he could have played basketball from a position of inner strength not emotional desperation.
The celebrity world—and sports is as much a part as Hollywood—is a machine that grinds up talent and spits it out. Humanity is totally absent. It’s the most powerful anesthetic that humans have concocted against emotional pain and a deep-rooted conviction of worthlessness.
With sports if you’ve got talent it’s pretty hard to not get entangled in that element of the machine. But Hollywood is something different. Somehow I doubt that Lamar accepted it’s embrace just for practical reasons.
He seems like such a good man. I wish Ms Kardashian would keep her distance. I’m sure it’s great publicity for her to be seen as the ministering angel but it’s not good for Lamar. I hope he finds a really good therapist.
More than anything I hope he still has a chance to turn his life around.
I'm glad Lamar has friends who love him and see his vulnerability but it's hard to understand why nobody talks to him about his problems. They should always have been his refuge, then he could have played basketball from a position of inner strength not emotional desperation.
The celebrity world—and sports is as much a part as Hollywood—is a machine that grinds up talent and spits it out. Humanity is totally absent. It’s the most powerful anesthetic that humans have concocted against emotional pain and a deep-rooted conviction of worthlessness.
With sports if you’ve got talent it’s pretty hard to not get entangled in that element of the machine. But Hollywood is something different. Somehow I doubt that Lamar accepted it’s embrace just for practical reasons.
He seems like such a good man. I wish Ms Kardashian would keep her distance. I’m sure it’s great publicity for her to be seen as the ministering angel but it’s not good for Lamar. I hope he finds a really good therapist.
More than anything I hope he still has a chance to turn his life around.
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I agree, Jennifer. When ALL people understand that this world contains an invisible, deadly fume that causes people to act for their own agenda. TAKE TIME to recognize each person's agenda......away from the fumes...
I believe Ms. Khardashian is legally responsible for the medical decisions being made because they are still legally married.
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I sincerely hope, due to his many strokes, that he successfully makes his transition rather than survives facing a lifetime of serious debilitation. Anyone who has studied the afterlife knows that a peaceful and loving place known as heaven awaits him.
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A lot of commenters think this isn't really news and doesn't deserve to be on the front page of the NYT digital version. I beg to differ. Because I hope the young players out there are reading and I hope those others who are struggling with addiction are reading this as well. Amercia has a drug problem, and it is so often too easy to look the other way and say "that person made the choice," or "it's not my problem." Still others like to look at Lamar Odom's salary and think that because he is rich he is immune or that somehow the problem is less severe. If you have someone with similar struggles close to you don't give up, don't surrender, don't stop fighting for them. May God be with you Lamar and with your family and friends.
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you write, "A lot of commenters think this isn't really news and doesn't deserve to be on the front page of the NYT digital version." I submit that perhaps the commenters do not view Odom as a persuasive exemplar of America's drug problems.
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Gladiators.
That's what these professional athletes are.
Fed, groomed, and sexed to entertain the masses.
And when the games are over, tossed out like garbage.
That's what these professional athletes are.
Fed, groomed, and sexed to entertain the masses.
And when the games are over, tossed out like garbage.
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Wow, that's condescending. These men are capable of choosing their paths, and "tossed out like garbage"...what are you proposing? Should we set up gov't supported senior leagues for retired players? Perhaps continue to pay them millions of dollars? Is there any point to your comment except insulting the players and the fans?
To those of you who have no interest in Mr. Odam's sad tale, why
did you read about it? To those of you who feel compelled to make
snarky and cruel comments about Mr. Odom, just know it says more
about you than him.
did you read about it? To those of you who feel compelled to make
snarky and cruel comments about Mr. Odom, just know it says more
about you than him.
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Bro, you are not likely to get through this, but I hope you have made it clear that your organs should be donated to any one who needs them.
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Fight for your life Lamar. Surely better days are ahead. We are pulling for you. My best wishes and prayers.
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Why is everyone being mean to this guy? He is clearly in pain, and has been for his entire life. Just because he is rich or a celebrity does not excuse the callous comments. True, maybe this isn't a news worthy article BUT he was/is a New Yorker, a nice high school kid from Queens. So...come on, have a little heart.
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How about this; You, KJB, nor ANYONE else here, who said such kind' words - about a stranger - will EVER have ANY impact on this person whatsoever.
The ONLY ones who DO matter - would be his family.
That is, if they care.
As for the nasty K's (I REFUSE to say their name), they're the ones who's 'career' started when the eldest daughter performed sex acts in a video, and who's pimp, er, uh...'mother,' I mean - sold it.
'Upstanding!' A terrific bunch of people!
This same person got married - 'for love' - to someone she met only a month earlier.
Even HE said he was being 'used' for THEIR commercial gain.
NONE of this pack of roaches has EVER gone to college, gotten a degree, has done ANYTHING productive, much less SELFLESS (and going 'sans makeup' is NOT 'selfless').
As for this person, I'm positive he's already planning to do a repeat ASAP.
So, he's in pain. Then, how come there's no mention of any of his family doing anything to help? Instead, it's a high school coach who's repeatedly mentioned.
When I go on the subway, and I see an older person who looks like they need to sit, I ALWAYS volunteer to give my seat.
Do you know how many young people - or middle-age, DON'T so much as even ask?
I saw an article where the person (seriously) asked if they should 'get up and give their seat' ... to a KID!
When I was a kid, here, in NYC, I either sat on my parent's lap, or, I stood up.
If people can't even do that, then, as far as having concern for a stranger - never.
The ONLY ones who DO matter - would be his family.
That is, if they care.
As for the nasty K's (I REFUSE to say their name), they're the ones who's 'career' started when the eldest daughter performed sex acts in a video, and who's pimp, er, uh...'mother,' I mean - sold it.
'Upstanding!' A terrific bunch of people!
This same person got married - 'for love' - to someone she met only a month earlier.
Even HE said he was being 'used' for THEIR commercial gain.
NONE of this pack of roaches has EVER gone to college, gotten a degree, has done ANYTHING productive, much less SELFLESS (and going 'sans makeup' is NOT 'selfless').
As for this person, I'm positive he's already planning to do a repeat ASAP.
So, he's in pain. Then, how come there's no mention of any of his family doing anything to help? Instead, it's a high school coach who's repeatedly mentioned.
When I go on the subway, and I see an older person who looks like they need to sit, I ALWAYS volunteer to give my seat.
Do you know how many young people - or middle-age, DON'T so much as even ask?
I saw an article where the person (seriously) asked if they should 'get up and give their seat' ... to a KID!
When I was a kid, here, in NYC, I either sat on my parent's lap, or, I stood up.
If people can't even do that, then, as far as having concern for a stranger - never.
That his wife would be supportive of him despite the tawdry circumstances, it says to me that she is a solid person and that he must be very lovable.
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Seriously? Just another limelight opportunity for Ms. K.
I watched the early K reality show. Anybody with any compassion could see Lamar was being exploited by the K family. Does anybody remember the swimming episode that made Lamar look weak? Did we really need to see his fear of swimming? That is exploitation. We all knew his business venture would fail. We all knew his friend was struggling as well.
I feel bad for his kids as I feel bad for Scott's kids, another struggling man that is being exploited. This reality show is poison as are all of them with many casualties. It is like watching a slow moving car accident. We need to put an end to these shows. It is not reality. It is a sickness.
I feel bad for his kids as I feel bad for Scott's kids, another struggling man that is being exploited. This reality show is poison as are all of them with many casualties. It is like watching a slow moving car accident. We need to put an end to these shows. It is not reality. It is a sickness.
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Your first sentence says it all, as does your last. Why would anyone watch reality shows? If you think they are poison, why are you watching them?
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Do we need to see his Fear? Exploitation ? Please. You are the Exploited & He (& them) was the Exploiter. Remember - he did all this for a Large Check ! (Well - smaller than he was used too,actually).
Why do you even watch that garbage? That's part of the problem.
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why does this guy get all this press? Who cares? One guy who had many more opportunities who screwed up his ilfe. Sorry - there are so many more we need to think about than this yahoo.
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It's possible that the N.B.A. did Donald Sterling a big favor by getting him away from a "sport" like this.
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I see more and more comments in the NY Times lately that a story "is not news". Who are these arrogant people that somehow think they are empowered to declare what is or isn't news? And, ironically, why do they see fit to spend their time not only reading the article in question, but actually commenting on it!
As to the substance, I don't follow sports or the Kardashians, and did not know who this guy was -- but an awful lot of people ardently follow sports and/or the Kardashians, and consider him important. That seems a pretty good fit for the usual definition of "news", even if it's sports or entertainment news, rather than serious reporting on world events.
Finally, this is not a light story. We aren't reading about some starlet's gown on the red carpet, or the latest Hollywood blockbuster, divorce, etc. -- we are hearing a fairly complex tale of a young man's ruination. If Hogarth's "The Rake's Progress" can be considered meaningful social commentary that has stood the test of time, I don't see why this young man's tale, and the media frenzy surrounding it, should be demeaned and haughtily pronounced "not news".
As to the substance, I don't follow sports or the Kardashians, and did not know who this guy was -- but an awful lot of people ardently follow sports and/or the Kardashians, and consider him important. That seems a pretty good fit for the usual definition of "news", even if it's sports or entertainment news, rather than serious reporting on world events.
Finally, this is not a light story. We aren't reading about some starlet's gown on the red carpet, or the latest Hollywood blockbuster, divorce, etc. -- we are hearing a fairly complex tale of a young man's ruination. If Hogarth's "The Rake's Progress" can be considered meaningful social commentary that has stood the test of time, I don't see why this young man's tale, and the media frenzy surrounding it, should be demeaned and haughtily pronounced "not news".
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The saddest news clip,I have seen; Lamar Odom ends up in the hospital, the ex- Kardtrashian and Jesse Jackson show up to be interviewed.
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To the commenters who have nothing to add except "who cares about this?" -- I care about it. I'm glad the article was there for me to read.
If you don't care about it, read something else. There are literally dozens of articles on the Times website.
If you don't care about it, read something else. There are literally dozens of articles on the Times website.
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Is this his obituary? Come on, he's not dead (yet?), couldn't this wait?
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The comments with the most recommendations - so far- are the ones which point out that this story is "not newsworthy" and does not deserve to be "on the front page of the Times" --
And they're right, of course...
However that's besides the point - because what really matters in the new world of 24/7 non-stop digital media consumption has nothing to do with newsworthiness -- but rather about clicks, tweets, shares and it being viral...and, of course, the money -- even when it's about a human tragedy, such as this --
And they're right, of course...
However that's besides the point - because what really matters in the new world of 24/7 non-stop digital media consumption has nothing to do with newsworthiness -- but rather about clicks, tweets, shares and it being viral...and, of course, the money -- even when it's about a human tragedy, such as this --
Wow. Lots of callous comments. Says a lot about the world we live in.
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It's amazing that tabloid story is the top news in one of the most influential papers.
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A sad and tragic story. My prayers are with you brother Lamar!
Hollywood (as a famous poet once stated) is not for everyone!
Hollywood (as a famous poet once stated) is not for everyone!
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I hope Lamar Odom survives, but he should have never got involved with the Karadshians.
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perhaps the Karadshians should never have become involved with him instead
Everyone chiming in to say "what a waste (of all that money)" needs to take a step back and ask themselves what have THEY done to make the world a better place? I would be my life's savings that 99% of the people who get on a high horse about wasted (money) whenever a story like this breaks have never devoted a second of their time to any cause outside of their jobs or their families, just like all of the other selfish people in this world. Hypocrites, all of you!
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...it's always the nicest, most decent guys, who hurt themselves the most. God bless this young man. I hope he pulls out, he has a lot of living left to do, and listening to the testimonials as people who knew him react, a more self-effacing, kind-hearted individual with a quick wit and a natural smile would be hard to find.
Seems he had no one in his corner as a kid -- heh Odom, I don't know you, but reading your story, I'm another fan -- not of Kardashian and all that nonsense, but of the guy that everyone loves, and deservedly so.
You. Got. To. Pull. Out. Of. This.
Seems he had no one in his corner as a kid -- heh Odom, I don't know you, but reading your story, I'm another fan -- not of Kardashian and all that nonsense, but of the guy that everyone loves, and deservedly so.
You. Got. To. Pull. Out. Of. This.
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For the media, even apparently the NYT, having a celebrity/famous athlete fall from grace and get knocked down several pegs is always front page news. If that same person enters a humiliating downward spiral to their death, so much the better for ratings. I can think of few worse indicators of the degradation of our culture.
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A great deal of news consists of bad news, things that make one uncomfortable. There is a reason for this: we humans are built to anticipate danger and difficulty. Take something as prosaic as traffic crashes. Because I have been educated, through the media, that driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us do day to day, I am forewarned and forearmed. Actually, I can say from person experience that something I once saw on television saved my life, or at least prevented a major crash, while I was driving on a freeway in Dallas years ago.
What this sad story of Mr. Odum says to me is that money and celebrity are very difficult to handle and that fame, worshiped by many, is a two edged sword. If the Times hadn't covered his situation, this would not be in my thoughts this morning.
What this sad story of Mr. Odum says to me is that money and celebrity are very difficult to handle and that fame, worshiped by many, is a two edged sword. If the Times hadn't covered his situation, this would not be in my thoughts this morning.
I'm constantly bemoaning how coarse our culture has become. There's no dignity anymore. Sad.
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The article would have much more relevance as a cautionary tale if it actually named the herbal Viagra sexual performance enhancer supplement drug he allegedly had taken. The public needs to know about the dangers of this seemingly harmless drug.
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Mr. Odom paid $72,000 for sex and was going to stay longer. He was high on cocaine and took eight "herbal" viagra-type pills. He had a stroke. His coke-hyped Kardashian friends are "praying " for him and asking us to do the same. These people have too much money and get way too much attention. It's humiliating and disgusting. I'll save my prayers for the innocent people being killed in wars around the world and the families of people with terminal illnesses who can't afford decent medical care. Meantime, it's time to tax all that wasted, destructive wealth back into OUR taxpayer treasury and give every American citizen basic Universal Health and a free college education.
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Are you not of sound mind? Prayers are for all. The "good" and the "bad". Lamar is an imperfect human. We all are. And yes I am praying for Lamar's recovery.
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Never seen a minute of a Kardasian oriented show and v much a fan of true universal health care; not so sure abt a free college education, but that's a whole 'nother discussion. Still, taxing all that wealth back into the treasury (can see taxing some of it) is somewhat problematic. The people who made the Ks wealthy did so of their own free will. The Ks may be shallow and annoying but the culture that idolized them is even shallower and more annoying.
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Mr. Odom is a flawed human being, a sinner, in deep need of redemption. So, I know, am I.
How about you?
How about you?
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His life IS of importance, despite comments below, to anyone who follows basketball, which last I checked, was a national past time. This is a man who is also known for his kindness, such as his generosity in paying for suits for players, paying rent and bills for many others and overcoming a mother's death at age 12 and a heroin addict father to become an NBA star. To many, he is, despite his decline-for which there is still hope-both an inspiration and a cautionary tale. I do hope you get better, Lamar.
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Baseball is the National Past Time....not basketball. I'm not sure where you checked the last time, but wherever it was, it was wrong.
His background story has played out a hundred times in professional sports - so what? It's sad that being blessed with all that talent & money he fell into the same hole he came from. Get better Mr. Odom!
I wish the authors had spoken more about those aspects of Mr. Odom's personality and life. The article treated him superficially and did not mention his kindness and generosity (except maybe as naivety exploited by others.) I knew the article was about a celebrity. but the reason I read the NYT article was for depth and understanding that wasn't there.
Drug abuse is a tragic epidemic being abused by poor and rich, for entertainment and recreation. If Mr Odom had genuine friends who would have welcomed him back in their lives why did he retreat to a drug binge, that may have destroyed him? Why does anyone?
A "celebrity" story, is valuable as a magnified version of life. We end up knowing (or thinking we do) more about celebrities than we do about the guy next door and hope there might be valid insight for the rest of us.
I wish the article had spoken more about Mr Odom himself and tried to understand why he reached out for a drugged oblivion when there was still so much open to him?
I am sorry for him and those who love him, and wish you well, and healing.
Drug abuse is a tragic epidemic being abused by poor and rich, for entertainment and recreation. If Mr Odom had genuine friends who would have welcomed him back in their lives why did he retreat to a drug binge, that may have destroyed him? Why does anyone?
A "celebrity" story, is valuable as a magnified version of life. We end up knowing (or thinking we do) more about celebrities than we do about the guy next door and hope there might be valid insight for the rest of us.
I wish the article had spoken more about Mr Odom himself and tried to understand why he reached out for a drugged oblivion when there was still so much open to him?
I am sorry for him and those who love him, and wish you well, and healing.
My prayers are with Lamar and his family.
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I don't get all these comments criticizing the Times for covering this or putting it on the front (portal) page -- after, of course, they themselves read the story. Look, this is a parable of our times, and, like it or not, his OD'ing in the brothel was big news.
"News" isn't always high-minded stories about a refugee crisis or international diplomacy or politics or high finance. News is also about real people and their real problems.
"News" isn't always high-minded stories about a refugee crisis or international diplomacy or politics or high finance. News is also about real people and their real problems.
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I did not read this story to be titillated. I read it because the headline seemed to me to be outrageously disrespectful to Mr. Odom, and I wished to see if the story was as well, and if so comment. Please do not accuse us of being voyeurs.
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"News is also about real people and their real problems."
Actually no, national news is not about that -- but it is fascinating that you think so.
"his OD'ing in the brothel was big news"
Yes on TMZ.
Actually no, national news is not about that -- but it is fascinating that you think so.
"his OD'ing in the brothel was big news"
Yes on TMZ.
Actually, much of the hype is deliberately generated by the Kardashian publicity machine. That's the game. One-percenters leading the rubes around so their pockets can be emptied. Sorry, but a washed up basketball player dying of an overdose shouldn't be front page news. That it is does show, however, how far our culture has declined, how far the bar has been lowered. The man is an irresponsible bum and should be justly regarded as such.
The very worst thing - or maybe second to worst - about these dreadful Kardashians, whom I have really tried to ignore as much as possible, is that young women see them as role models. For many girls and young women, their poisonous values and mindless obsession with their appearance are the new normal.
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Sad....but not unlike Marilyn Monroe etc. Same old stuff
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If all the medical reports coming out about Lamar Odom having strokes and renal failure and being in a coma, on a ventilator are true, his prognosis is not great. It's a shame to have ruined his life at such a young age. I wonder if he would have self-destructed this spectacularly if he was not part of the Kardashian circus?
I hope he beats the odds and recovers. And then stays away from his wife's family. Publicity seems to be their oxygen, but it's not really good for them or for him.
I hope he beats the odds and recovers. And then stays away from his wife's family. Publicity seems to be their oxygen, but it's not really good for them or for him.
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Right. The article borders on blaming the Lakers for trading him. How about blaming the Kardashians for their shallow life styles and lack of support for this supposed husband of Kloe's. However she spells her silly name.
His problems were in existence long before he met Khloe. If anything, she should have stayed away from him because he was so troubled. For wihat it is worth, she did try to help him in some ways by getting him to a dentist when he ate candy by the bagful, hadn't been to a dentist in years and had some serious things going on inside his mouth. He spent an entire day at the dentist having his mouth overhauled. She also staged a drug intervention that was unsuccessful. To be fair, it was not her job to save him but she at least did do something. I feel bad defending a Kardashian but Khloe is not at fault here.
I don't think Khloe is a bad person, nor do I have any right to say whether or not she was a bad wife. That's their business. What I'm saying is that anything related to the Kardashians is caught up in a 24 hour news cycle, with everything, everything, EVERYTHING packaged for our entertainment consumption (whether we like it or not). It's like their own personal Truman Show, except they all signed up for it. There is no way that can be good for anyone, and it's clearly fatal (or at least extremely detrimental) to people with emotional baggage, career struggles and problems with addiction. If he makes it out of the hospital with any sort of mental status, the best thing for him would be to get as far away from the spotlight as possible to heal both physically and emotionally. Having Kris Jenner and her brood tweet about his progress every hour wouldn't really be helpful to him. If Khloe wants to help, she can get out of the limelight, too.
Another example of how the 100 year War on Drugs has been a failure. Focus should be put on rehabilitation and not criminalizing this behavior. Portugal has shown that this approach works. They legalized every drug and put the money spent futility preventing the ingenuity of humans toward fixing the underlying causes of drug use. The result has been a massive drop in overall use, fewer drug related deaths, and fewer drug-induced crimes being committed.
Hence, the Drug War is a facade NOT meant to stop drug use. It is system of control that purposely shackles the urban minority poor. If cops actually went after every area of society that abused drugs, every music festival and rock and roll concert would be shut down. But they aren't. Police do not apply the law fairly. It is used to target the groups without money and representation because the old white men with all the keys are afraid of them. Yet their behavior is proportionally no different than the poor souls being locked up.
End this charade.
Hence, the Drug War is a facade NOT meant to stop drug use. It is system of control that purposely shackles the urban minority poor. If cops actually went after every area of society that abused drugs, every music festival and rock and roll concert would be shut down. But they aren't. Police do not apply the law fairly. It is used to target the groups without money and representation because the old white men with all the keys are afraid of them. Yet their behavior is proportionally no different than the poor souls being locked up.
End this charade.
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You make a good argument (and I certainly agree that the war on drugs hasn't worked). But you've picked the wrong story to piggyback on.
Nothing in this article suggests that the criminalization of drugs is what did Mr. Odom in. Indeed, he exhibits symptoms of bipolar disorder. He was clearly distressed at being traded from the Lakers. His divorce was about to become final. Maybe it was a perfect storm of events.
But none of this has anything to do with criminalization of drugs.
Nothing in this article suggests that the criminalization of drugs is what did Mr. Odom in. Indeed, he exhibits symptoms of bipolar disorder. He was clearly distressed at being traded from the Lakers. His divorce was about to become final. Maybe it was a perfect storm of events.
But none of this has anything to do with criminalization of drugs.
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Why all the fuss? One more guy who has it all, could do great things for others, and instead is so focused on his own self, his own sensory gratification, that he wastes his life.
Now we are supposed to waste a bit of ours giving him consideration. It's exactly the wrong thing to do. He stands as an example of low character in action. Grasping that may be his only worthwhile legacy.
Now we are supposed to waste a bit of ours giving him consideration. It's exactly the wrong thing to do. He stands as an example of low character in action. Grasping that may be his only worthwhile legacy.
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Cocaine and amphetamine really hijack the brain's stimulus response mechanism and they twist it often till it breaks. I have seen "normal" women, so out of control in their desire for a single hit or dose of crack get on their knees and beg-offer strangers sex. It sounds disgusting and scary and it is. You hear the same stories about ordinary working stiffs who get hooked after one snort of the stuff. This is a drug that uses the brain'sown biology against itself-it is meaningless what color or who you are. It takes the Rich and dumb as easily as the poor and naive. It has caused immense destruction in a manner that heroin cannot cause.
People who condemn others, out of hand, because they "had it all" and blew it on coke, should be aware that many of those people were white and working class. Trying to to warn kids can be counter productive, as most parents are so unsettled by the implication of a drug this powerful and impossible to counter- that they conflate the threat with the problem. If only, they think, they can keep their children ignorant that they will never transgress. If this were only true-people could send their children to rural China or a prison to grow up and then stop worrying. If it were only as simple as chaining the kids to a radiator.
People who condemn others, out of hand, because they "had it all" and blew it on coke, should be aware that many of those people were white and working class. Trying to to warn kids can be counter productive, as most parents are so unsettled by the implication of a drug this powerful and impossible to counter- that they conflate the threat with the problem. If only, they think, they can keep their children ignorant that they will never transgress. If this were only true-people could send their children to rural China or a prison to grow up and then stop worrying. If it were only as simple as chaining the kids to a radiator.
This smells of a bi-polar affective disorder. The story contains many, many classic symptoms of the disease.
Perhaps instead of running a gossip piece, the Times could do something meaningful about how athletes cope -- or fail to cope with the illness?
Perhaps instead of running a gossip piece, the Times could do something meaningful about how athletes cope -- or fail to cope with the illness?
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America's pop culture has officially hit the absolute bottom with these shows that simply feed our stupid desires for money, sex, humiliation and mean-ness.
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Isn't that what life is all about?
How disgustingly opportunistic for the Times to be talking about Odom's "Downfall" (main page headline) and "decline" at a time when the man is fighting for his life. Have you now conscience??
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LO - My prayers are with you brother. The same way you overcame many other obstacles in life, you can overcome this one as well. As a youngster playing ball, I definitely emulated your basketball style (those early clipper days - 1999-2003)
I usually don't post comments on NYT but I needed to show my support. God is watching over you and will get you through this. Everyone - Please respect this man's privacy during this difficult time. Remember, LO was LO before the Kardashians came into the picture. Let's not distort his legacy or his life with tabloid/gossip reports.
I usually don't post comments on NYT but I needed to show my support. God is watching over you and will get you through this. Everyone - Please respect this man's privacy during this difficult time. Remember, LO was LO before the Kardashians came into the picture. Let's not distort his legacy or his life with tabloid/gossip reports.
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I wish him the best as well and hope his family does not see the coverage typified by this "article".
This is support? You must know your post is for yourself, he's not going to read it. Support him by doing something real.
You say he "...can overcome this one as well." I don't think so.
You can go out and try to grab a person but if that person does not want to be grabbed what are we to do?
Lamar chose to throw his money towards booze and a lot of Viagra.
Lamar chose to throw his money towards booze and a lot of Viagra.
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From the bulk of the snarky comments below- I'm left wondering why are you all commenting? The comments are sounding more like they belong on Disqus or the famously anonymous mean-spirited Washington Post. This is a celebrity like it or not; do we only want to read about the celebrities we "like" and demonize those we don't? This is a human being with young children. If you only feel the need to rant about not liking this person- this might not be your venue.
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I think subscribers can decide for themselves about the venue. As for kids, obviously he should not be allowed near kids.
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Thank you for your post!
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A serious question: Why should we read about celebrities at all? This isn't People some entertainment industry trade magazine. It is supposed to be the national newspaper of record for serious and important events
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Saving my sympathy, thoughts and prayers for the migrant floods of desperate people, struggling to survive in Europe and beyond. I am totally disinterested in serial self-imposed destruction, fueled by addiction, excess and what passes these very sad days as celebrity. Why is this story on the front page of the New York Times?
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Just because Odom isn't your paradigm of deserving doesn't mean we cannot learn from his story. Everyone is better than a drug addict until it's them or a family member.
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JJ: aint it the truth!
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Unreasonably harsh, since the man is lying in a coma and has only a 50% chance of recovery. I wish him well.
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Let's be honest. He has no chance for recovery. He is in organ failure. And it is a sad story. He appears to have been "used." But the Kardashians really know no other form of relationship, so what does that mean?
Lamar Odom was a gifted player. He had to be to play in the NBA. But like many other star athletes from the projects he ran into a lot of money and there was no one to mentor him. And the vultures descended..
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Pro sports, corrupted by money, is part of the soft center of our shiny apple.
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For whatever terrible reason, he did not get the help he needed. Everyone that sick deserves help.
I hope he will survive and recover.
My best to his children most of all.
That brothel should be shut down and the owner and employees prosecuted. Odom made his choices but to sell a depressed, exhausted vulnerable man a truckload of 'herbal viagra' and then find him in a coma - depraved indifference. This brothel was not a hotel, employees were selling him 'meds', knew he had used cocaine at some point, 'spent time' with him in his room, coming and going. One difference between this situation and John Belushi's death was Belushi could expect privacy from hotel employees and staff. This wasn't the case in this brothel with all the 'interacting' with 2 employees staying in his room and selling him garbage meds.
They were soaking him for every dime.
If you know someone using who needs help, don't give up on them. Many people will recover but will need love and support to make that happen and most will need to try repeatedly. A friend was a drunk for decades who cleaned up, remarried, became a good father and a successful artist. People helped him over many years while he worked his way to recovery. Don't believe that people can't ever change. Some do.
No comment on him being involved in a media-crazed reality show environment while his marriage crumbled and he was despairing and humiliated. Except some people should seriously think about their so-called 'careers.'
I hope he will survive and recover.
My best to his children most of all.
That brothel should be shut down and the owner and employees prosecuted. Odom made his choices but to sell a depressed, exhausted vulnerable man a truckload of 'herbal viagra' and then find him in a coma - depraved indifference. This brothel was not a hotel, employees were selling him 'meds', knew he had used cocaine at some point, 'spent time' with him in his room, coming and going. One difference between this situation and John Belushi's death was Belushi could expect privacy from hotel employees and staff. This wasn't the case in this brothel with all the 'interacting' with 2 employees staying in his room and selling him garbage meds.
They were soaking him for every dime.
If you know someone using who needs help, don't give up on them. Many people will recover but will need love and support to make that happen and most will need to try repeatedly. A friend was a drunk for decades who cleaned up, remarried, became a good father and a successful artist. People helped him over many years while he worked his way to recovery. Don't believe that people can't ever change. Some do.
No comment on him being involved in a media-crazed reality show environment while his marriage crumbled and he was despairing and humiliated. Except some people should seriously think about their so-called 'careers.'
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"if you know someone who needs help don't give up on them" - I wish that had been the point of the article. That might have made it worthy of the NYT.
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So, is it the brothels fault? While there will always be someone there to take advantage of you, whether it's spending your money or giving you drugs, it is the individual that is ultimately responsible. Yes, he was humiliated on TV, but why did he go on TV in the first place. For fame?
Sadly the decisions we make have consequences, some of those consequences last a lifetime. Belushi had someone with him 24 hours a day, hired to stop him from taking drugs. Even that didn't work; Belushi couldn't resist.
And you say they should have gotten help, but both were rich and had the ability to get the best help on the planet. They choose not to. Sad, but life is sad sometimes.
Sadly the decisions we make have consequences, some of those consequences last a lifetime. Belushi had someone with him 24 hours a day, hired to stop him from taking drugs. Even that didn't work; Belushi couldn't resist.
And you say they should have gotten help, but both were rich and had the ability to get the best help on the planet. They choose not to. Sad, but life is sad sometimes.
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very thoughtful of you to acknowledge this gentleman's children in the hope that their father recovers. I'm no reality tv guy, and what I remember most about Odom was that he went to LA in a trade that sent Shaq to Miami....God bless him
Sad article. Seriously. However, what kind of a wife or ex-wife trashes her husband or ex-husband on television and think that the poor guy had a chance to have a happy life. Its sad the level of destrution that this family has brought upon their own people. Shame on them for trying to make a buck. I hope this ends their show or at least turns the views off and against them so they don't do things for publicity reasons.
This poor man got caught up with their mess. I bet the drugs and everything else was introduced by that family too. Rather than sticking by his side they dumped him when publicity got negative. I am sad for this man but angry at cable company that makes these silly shows.
This poor man got caught up with their mess. I bet the drugs and everything else was introduced by that family too. Rather than sticking by his side they dumped him when publicity got negative. I am sad for this man but angry at cable company that makes these silly shows.
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You can't blame the drugs on the Kardashians. Odom violated the NBA drug policy twice before 2005. He met Khloe in 2009.
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I have worked with troubled youths for most of my adult career and stories like these always sadden me. It's my experience that of the troubled youths, the ones with drug addictions are often the sweetest and most sensitive. They dull their pain not by fighting or through gangs, but with chemical dependency. No one who has ever mentored a troubled drug addicted youth ever wants to get that call. But it always happens. I wish Lamar Odom peace. I'm a bit appalled by the heartless comments.
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It is appalling. No sympathy because all they see is selfish drug abuse, neglecting to see how that was not the real cause of his downfall. No one is perfect and everyone has some self destructive tendencies.
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Thank you for this comment. It is 100% true. Not one person can say they would live Lamar Odom's life better. No one knows what his life was truly like. I hope and pray that his life turns around. I believe he can do it and wish him happiness. He deserves it.
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I agree. From what I have heard, seen, or read about Lamar Odom, he was a fantastic basketball player and seemed like a very sensitive soul. Unfortunately, like many people, he struggled and loss to addiction. I wish him and his kids peace. Not sure where all of the venom is coming from.
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I would like to make a positive comment. I enjoyed this article very much. Although the conclusion the authors reach, that Lamar Odom has hit rock bottom, isn't sold in the article. The implication that because he was doing drugs in a brothel he has therefore degenerated and bottomed out beyond all redemption is not fair. What makes you so much of a bad person if you want to do drugs and have intercourse with prostitutes?
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A mix of strong drugs and prostitutes does not usually end well. And when you are found unconscious, likely due to drugs, and need to be placed into a medically induced coma in order to save your life, this rarely ends well.
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"John's" are very often abusive - prostitutes are very often desperate, many drug addicts, and formerly abused people. You may say it is the "oldest profession" but the reality is it is a demeaning profession and no person should be subjected to it. Many prostitutes are products of awful childhoods. He had opportunities they did not. Every man should romance women,not buy them. It is a matter of love for your fellow man and how we treat each other. Women should be treated with respect and prostitution is disrespectful. Anyone who has $75,000 to throw away on sex is misguided. How many children growing up like him would benefit from a scholarship fund set up with his money? Regarding his drug addiction - many other young people are paying the price with their lives. The first priority is teaching kids that extremely addictive drugs is tantamount to suicide because we do not have a cure. The only thing bad about "kardashian" type celebrities is that each "luxury" item they purchase could benefit a scholarship for underprivileged children. Why do they need all that excess? How many cars can you drive? Lots of music, sports, etc. could use their fortunes for real purpose.
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You appear to have missed the point of Ricky's comment. Also, let's acknowledge that the mix of strong drugs and prostitutes ends just fine for the great majority of people who engage. Where do people come up with such hyperbole?
It is sad to watch such a decline happen in so public a manner, but such declines happen out of sight to millions of Americans who never had the talent, the looks, the money, or the fame Mr. Odom had. My best wisdom on drugs and alcohol after losing two older brothers to them is that some people make it through addictions, but that many don't. Mr. Odom looks to be losing his battle with his demons. Most amazing to me is that Ms. Kardashian actually went to his hospital room. No offense, but she probably made a smart decision to separate from him. I'm impressed she didn't completely abandon him. I probably would have.
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She never misses an opportunity to be in the spotlight. And this was an opportunity.
He is different from, say, Philip Seymour Hoffman exactly how?
Oh, one's revered as a "great actor" etc. etc. etc., and the other is just another one of those poor kids who came into too much money too soon, too fast...
Few people actually have the inner resources to survive fame, money and lots and lots of bestest friends ever.
But I have zero sympathy for anyone who inflicts his/her own demons on children who must somehow learn to survive a parent's public flameout and ultimate act of abandonment.
Oh, one's revered as a "great actor" etc. etc. etc., and the other is just another one of those poor kids who came into too much money too soon, too fast...
Few people actually have the inner resources to survive fame, money and lots and lots of bestest friends ever.
But I have zero sympathy for anyone who inflicts his/her own demons on children who must somehow learn to survive a parent's public flameout and ultimate act of abandonment.
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"Few people actually have the inner resources to survive fame, money and lots and lots of bestest friends ever."
That would be fascinating news to the great majority who not only survive, but thrive.
That would be fascinating news to the great majority who not only survive, but thrive.
It takes more than atheltic ability to accomplish what Odom accomplished. It takes determination, intelligence and hard work.
So with all those attributes so readily available, why did this man go down this dark road? Why does anybody so blessed throw it all away?
There will be answers, of course. There always is...... The long list of talented and hard working people who throw it all away for the quick hits is long and storied.
In the end, though, it will always come down to choices, Every seemingly inconsequential choice he made added up to this disaster. From the first time he stepped into a brother, to the first time he bought and took drugs. To the friends he ignored or blew off, to the people he chose for companions. And now all those choices have colluded to the point where this seemingly gifted man is fighting for his life. Somethign that need NEVER have happened had he literally acted in a different manner.
Very very sad. What a waste.
So with all those attributes so readily available, why did this man go down this dark road? Why does anybody so blessed throw it all away?
There will be answers, of course. There always is...... The long list of talented and hard working people who throw it all away for the quick hits is long and storied.
In the end, though, it will always come down to choices, Every seemingly inconsequential choice he made added up to this disaster. From the first time he stepped into a brother, to the first time he bought and took drugs. To the friends he ignored or blew off, to the people he chose for companions. And now all those choices have colluded to the point where this seemingly gifted man is fighting for his life. Somethign that need NEVER have happened had he literally acted in a different manner.
Very very sad. What a waste.
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Once he hooked up with the Kardashians, his life was over. Just a matter of time. Look at Disik and Rob K. And need we mention "Caitlyn"?
Remember seeing him play as a high school basketball star at Christ The King in Queens! Unremarkable in most ways except for being tall and talented on the floor. It's so sad how some schools, and later on the media takes kids who are otherwise mediocrities and places them in spotlights which their personal characteristics are poorly equipped to handle! Not surprised and not shocked, and we wish him well...
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Who are you to judge another person's worth?
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"Odom’s primary use to the entertainment industry was as a piñata for the celebrity news media."
"Was" or "is?"
"Was" or "is?"
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This is first and foremost , a story of one man's struggle with addiction. Addiction is a serious national problem, invading even my small, bucolic central Pennsylvania town. It involves children of wealth as well as children of the projects. So I would not label it a topic for People magazine. There are elements of Hollywood etc in this story, but anyone can see that is not the real story. We all know that this man is struggling even as we speak. We know that it is easy for people to judge and to speak carelessly. There is way too little compassion in the world.
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To me Mary it is first of all a cautionary story about out despicable celebrity culture. We don't like drug addiction but publicity addiction is widely praised. If it had not been for his dual addictions Lamar might not have come to this sad pass.
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This is just so sad. I know there is a tabloid element (addiction, drugs, reality TV), but this story is so troublesome nonetheless. And tragic. From his expression, you can just tell that he has a sweet soul. Wishing him a lot of peace and healing.
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The Kardashians are using Odom right to the very end. I bet they've got their cameras going right this second.
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film at eleven, and a show in prime time next week
Or perhaps this is a wife who loved her husband but at the end of the day was unable to help him fight his demons. I'm impressed she's there after all they seem to have gone through. Addiction doesn't only hurt the addict.
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"I bet they've got their cameras going right this second."
It's appalling that 141 people have recommended this comment. Why make assumptions about a family that is clearly going through a horrible ordeal? In an effort to appear morally superior, you have shown your true, ugly colors.
I hope the Kardashian and Odom families are able to find some comfort in these difficult times. I also hope they don't read these comments.
It's appalling that 141 people have recommended this comment. Why make assumptions about a family that is clearly going through a horrible ordeal? In an effort to appear morally superior, you have shown your true, ugly colors.
I hope the Kardashian and Odom families are able to find some comfort in these difficult times. I also hope they don't read these comments.
Condolences to his family.
But Mr. Odom's life, like his death, is of no importance to the public.
But Mr. Odom's life, like his death, is of no importance to the public.
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All due respect, may I ask Jon, why even post a comment? Although you offer condolences, do you really think that hearing that his death as a public figure "is of no importance to the public" is comforting to his family? And let me tell you, family members actually read these comments.
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reply to Jon: His life's "importance" certainly caused you to comment- didn't it?
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i believe he is still alive.
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My heart hurts for this man and his children. For all the people who love him. There seems genuine struggle in his story. I wish him peace.
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How terribly sad.
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Mr. Odom towered over mere mortals. Hence, he thought could bait death with excess and dissipation.
Lamar is not alone in this behavior. Many superior athletes think themselves bulletproof or above the law.
Lamar is not alone in this behavior. Many superior athletes think themselves bulletproof or above the law.
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What are you talking about? You think drug addicts take drugs because they feel invincible? You have no empathy, and you have no understanding of why many addicts end up at rock bottom or dead. you are the one who is putting himself above others, as you peer down your nose at others.
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What arrogant statements. Most people who are self destructing aren't really thinking right at all. Jeez. Have a heart.
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No, I think many dominant athletes are of that mind.
Artists do it because they cannot brook the weight of the rational world.
Artists do it because they cannot brook the weight of the rational world.
Why is this "story" on the front page of the Times?
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Same reason you read it and took the time to comment if it wasn't news why bother to comment or read at that matter
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I'm sorry about making my first post, note that I've read this and several other articles about Mr Odom. It was a knee-jerk reaction to anything Kardashian.
I hope he recovers fully, and my prayers go out to his friends and family, even the Kardashians.
I hope he recovers fully, and my prayers go out to his friends and family, even the Kardashians.
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I had not heard of this man before this but this sounds really sad. As with so many people in the public eye, when they are down and going further down, there do not seem to be many people there to help and support them.
I do hope he recovers. Just sad.
I do hope he recovers. Just sad.
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I appreciate the Times covering this pop culture stuff so that I don't have to follow it. There's a lot in this that's relatable to rich and poor, famous and unknown. I hope Mr. Odom has a full recovery.
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I think this article is in terribly bad taste at a time when Mr. Odom is fighting serious health issues. Possibly at any time.
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Yes.
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A former star, high on cocaine, allegedly. In a brothel. Now on life support. And all of his "friends" rallying around him while they ignored him when he needed help, now hoping to gain publicity points for "caring" for him. Let's hear it for your TMZ coverage. A bunch of PR agencies must be making millions. Crocodile tears.
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If you don't know the facts, you shouldn't reply. Lamar Odom's friends were there when he needed them but he didn't respond to their attempts to reach out. Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Lebron James, Derek Fisher, Matt Barnes, Chris Paul, Shaquille O'Neal don't need "publicity points." Is the world really this cold?
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There is something evil and wicked about the Kardashian mother and the shame she brings to those around her which shame she trades for fame and money. Every male around her including her husbands, son, and mates of her daughters suffers emotionally and physically.
I hope Lamar recovers. Kanye, run, run away as fast as you can.
I hope Lamar recovers. Kanye, run, run away as fast as you can.
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Somehow, I think of all people, Kanye can take care of himself just fine.
The males are there voluntarily. None of them seem to be people any sensible person would associate with either.
Being found unconscious in a brothel after taking a mixture of drugs is about as low as it gets, but now he's in a medically induced coma, which is a notch lower. Throw in a squandered athletic career, and you have a poster child for self distruction. All those gifts ruined.
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He didn't have a squandered athletic career. He won two rings and was recognized as being a talented and contributing player. Actually, he seemed to be having a great time when he went down. He wasn't homeless, he was still a celebrity, and he had enough cash to spend $75,000 on some high end entertainment. We should all be so lucky.
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Well said.
…and over $70K spent at the brothel? I expect he would have gotten a real emotional boost if he had contributed that money to a needy family. It's all sad and incredibly dysfunctional.
Seriously, who cares about this? Is the NYTimes trying for People magazine's readership? Stay focused on issues that matter. There is no shortage of stories we as readers need to know more about. This is not one of them.
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I Disagree. It's a sad story. Listen. Learn how a life can come apart.
If you want to read about war or politics, those stories are here too. Read them instead.
If you want to read about war or politics, those stories are here too. Read them instead.
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Yes, this is a serious story. It has many layers to it.
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The downfall of a well-revered and liked athlete is news, whether you like it or not. You knew what this story was about before you clicked the link. Don't like it don't read it.
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Darwin's waiting room.
So many people have made it through parents dying when they were kids.
So many people have dealt with the cards that Life has dealt them.
So many people have made it through parents dying when they were kids.
So many people have dealt with the cards that Life has dealt them.
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So many people are miserly of spirit and heart towards others, unable to perceive the advantages afforded to them by their personal circumstances.
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So what's your point? Each individual is unique and each handles adversity in a different way. He had more adversity than most with a drug addicted father who abandoned the family, and a mother who died of cancer when he was twelve years old. I think his cards were tougher by far than those of most children, even among those who experience adversity. Everyone isn't strong and tough. Even the toughest people cannot always play the hands they were dealt.
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...not everyone is as resilient as you'd like them to be. He lost not one, but both parents. Perhaps if you have survived such a loss as a child, you can explain how you managed to keep to the perfect path.
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Some people are lucky enough to build up a healthy layer of resilience to life's curve balls, but sadly others do not. Even though I knew absolutely nothing about Lamar Odom before his tragic nosedive, his story resonates deeply with me, having suffered my own history of repeated abandonment.