What a contrast between Francis's peace and Bibi's war-mongering in a few short months!
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A man for all seasons. makes this old ex-prot want to go back to Church- to support this incredible man. Thank you, Il Papa for taking time to help re-generate the New World- from which you came.
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If it is God's all intended plan for Pope Francis to be the influence of a humbling change for a country that so desperately needs it, then it is a gift the people are willing to accept. If it is he who must remind us the importance of tolerance and selflessness, it is a message we are willing to embrace. One might say it is to early to declare how his visit will affect the current political landscape, but his involvement in rekindling American-Cuban relations could be a start to the demolishment of political gridlock and lobby-bought representatives and a papacy of epic proportions.
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Nicely crafted, Mr. Egan. Athiestic friends and I (mostly ex-Catholics) see the man as "Father Social Justice." The equanimity with which he speaks about socioeconomic truths makes their effect even more powerful; this guy's a special breed. The thing to hope for is that his successor takes the handoff and runs with the ball in the same direction.
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I've played and replayed Pope Francis' Address to the Congress and every time I find a hidden jewel in those stirring words.And I found myself tearing up recognizing my own foibles and insensitivity towards my own kind, other living creatures and irreverence to my Planet. I am an atheist whose life's mission is not to be defined by any religion. But a Catholic Pope or rather a Pope for the 6 billion on our Planet made me realize that goodness, love and service do not belong to either believers or non-believers. It is transcendental.
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The Pope is a man if God based on this article. As reported his actions benefit both the Kingdom and Glory of God. I support his movement and I believe that he should continue to be more like a servant of God.
However, this article portrays Pope Francis as godlike. Although he acquires peace, it is given through God. Individuals often refer to him as righteous, but it's the righteousness of God. Through God anything can and will be accomplished, as Cuba and the United States have fixed their grudges against either. I hope that Pope Francis inspires those looking for God's miracles. And I hope that America can be one of those miracles. After all, we are, "One nation under God".
However, this article portrays Pope Francis as godlike. Although he acquires peace, it is given through God. Individuals often refer to him as righteous, but it's the righteousness of God. Through God anything can and will be accomplished, as Cuba and the United States have fixed their grudges against either. I hope that Pope Francis inspires those looking for God's miracles. And I hope that America can be one of those miracles. After all, we are, "One nation under God".
The Pope, a lovely Christian, said enough go cause all people to reexamine their hearts.
While I applaud his emphasis on Creation Care, I would remind the Mother-earth-ites, that in the end, all of our self-efforts to save the earth will not render null and void words of the real Lord of the church, null and void: "Heave and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Yes, sustain the environment for as long as we can, but know HE will take over at some point in time. Even the non-religious are atheists will need to heed the warning of scientist that entropy will ensue and the earth is in its middle age (or older now).
While I applaud his emphasis on Creation Care, I would remind the Mother-earth-ites, that in the end, all of our self-efforts to save the earth will not render null and void words of the real Lord of the church, null and void: "Heave and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Yes, sustain the environment for as long as we can, but know HE will take over at some point in time. Even the non-religious are atheists will need to heed the warning of scientist that entropy will ensue and the earth is in its middle age (or older now).
Tim, as usual, I enjoyed reading your column... minus one important point. It was implicit in your commentary that all Americans are immigrants with the exception of Native Americans. However, to state the obvious, the vast majority of African-Americans historically were not immigrants to the U.S. And, lest we forget, much of what now constitutes the southwest (including TX, CA) belonged to Mexican Americans.
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This may not be the place for me to express this, but I couldn't find another section to do so.
I am thoroughly disgusted with Cardinal Dolan. He put himself into the camera's eye and into the Pope's space constantly. When the Pope spoke at the United Nations, when he finished his speech, asked for the congregation to give signs of peace to one another e.g., handshake or hug, the Cardinal leaped over to the Pope, as if taking charge, and completely ignored the Muslim that was standing to the Pope's left. Everyone to the right of the Pope was giving acknowledgement to one another. I watched to see if the Cardinal ever got back to this man, or the rest of the people on that side of the Pope, and I didn't see him go there, he may have, but I didn't see it.
In every instance where Cardinal Dolan was in the vicinity, he acted as if he were totally in charge of the Pope-----he looked to me like he was "Grand-Standing"---I thought totally obnoxious.
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I am thoroughly disgusted with Cardinal Dolan. He put himself into the camera's eye and into the Pope's space constantly. When the Pope spoke at the United Nations, when he finished his speech, asked for the congregation to give signs of peace to one another e.g., handshake or hug, the Cardinal leaped over to the Pope, as if taking charge, and completely ignored the Muslim that was standing to the Pope's left. Everyone to the right of the Pope was giving acknowledgement to one another. I watched to see if the Cardinal ever got back to this man, or the rest of the people on that side of the Pope, and I didn't see him go there, he may have, but I didn't see it.
In every instance where Cardinal Dolan was in the vicinity, he acted as if he were totally in charge of the Pope-----he looked to me like he was "Grand-Standing"---I thought totally obnoxious.
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The ancestors of ALL of us, including "Native Americans", at one time came from some place else. We are ALL descendants of immigrants
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True, though some of us are more recent than others (in my case, about 150 years ago). And ultimately, everyone in the world started out in Africa.
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But he did, of course, sanctify Juniper Serro while he was here, Serro, a priest who beat and tortured Native people and forced many of them to succumb to the religion--the religion of Christ?--that he brought.
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Yes he make a difference, Yes it is amazing to hear his words to congress and UN and to see him joining with other Faith leaders at Ground Zero. He is one person making an immense difference in our world but believe me, when you go to Catholic Church mass in America you will not hear these words about caring for our planet but you will hear about fighting planned parenthood. The Pope is a man on a mission but he is alone, his church sadly is far far behind.
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Though I don't believe in god, I love this Pope, not because he is "liberal" as the press point out, but because of his humanity, his decency and the hope that so many of us place in him to change the conversation, not just nationally, but all over the world.
John Boehner quit his job today, slinking away from a job not even begun, without courage and without an understanding, despite all the crying, of what his Roman-Catholic Pope was suggesting to heal our human wounds.
And not one reporter asked Mr. Boehner if Pope Francis caused the Speaker any reflection, any change of heart or mind or soul about an issue.
Instead, we got "Zippity Doo Dah."
mlouisemarkle
State College, PA
John Boehner quit his job today, slinking away from a job not even begun, without courage and without an understanding, despite all the crying, of what his Roman-Catholic Pope was suggesting to heal our human wounds.
And not one reporter asked Mr. Boehner if Pope Francis caused the Speaker any reflection, any change of heart or mind or soul about an issue.
Instead, we got "Zippity Doo Dah."
mlouisemarkle
State College, PA
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The Pope's message is NOT about partisan politics. Even Sheperd Smith of Fox News says that those who have a problem with his message should consult a mirror.
Truth is, he is reminding us there are basic, common, and universal truths that completely transcend politics.
I'm hoping when listening to this Pope, we shed political definitions completely. For once just rest in a message of simple morality, pure reason, peace, the brotherhood of Man, and the Love of God.
Truth is, he is reminding us there are basic, common, and universal truths that completely transcend politics.
I'm hoping when listening to this Pope, we shed political definitions completely. For once just rest in a message of simple morality, pure reason, peace, the brotherhood of Man, and the Love of God.
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And when will women be included as 'human beings' in the church community...
It was so disgusting to see Francis surrounded by men...What is it about the magic of having a penis that gives me an exclusive controlling status within the unchristian church?
Over population is the cause of poverty...and look at the wealth of the Vatican? Women have the right to control their own bodies and decide if they want to have a child or not...That would seriously reduce the thousands of 'unwanted' children born in the world each year. The church is so sickening...
It was sickening to see all those pathetic males running around in their long skirts and the 'rich' vestments and stupid headgear at the 'reliigious services...Can you imagine Jesus dressing up like that?
Once, during the priest sexual abuse scandal I saw a dog collared man sitting at a table nearby...As I passed the table on leaving, I felt physically sick. The catholic church? Misogynisic, unequal, closed hierarchical structures, impunity, stashed with untold wealth taken from the poor of the world...with a history of murder and persecution and an Inquisition lasting 800 years...Get real, it is an absolutely disgusting organization!
BTW I haven't read your article
It was so disgusting to see Francis surrounded by men...What is it about the magic of having a penis that gives me an exclusive controlling status within the unchristian church?
Over population is the cause of poverty...and look at the wealth of the Vatican? Women have the right to control their own bodies and decide if they want to have a child or not...That would seriously reduce the thousands of 'unwanted' children born in the world each year. The church is so sickening...
It was sickening to see all those pathetic males running around in their long skirts and the 'rich' vestments and stupid headgear at the 'reliigious services...Can you imagine Jesus dressing up like that?
Once, during the priest sexual abuse scandal I saw a dog collared man sitting at a table nearby...As I passed the table on leaving, I felt physically sick. The catholic church? Misogynisic, unequal, closed hierarchical structures, impunity, stashed with untold wealth taken from the poor of the world...with a history of murder and persecution and an Inquisition lasting 800 years...Get real, it is an absolutely disgusting organization!
BTW I haven't read your article
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It will be interesting to see how the right wing tries to spin the Pope's message, especially since the US Catholic Bishops have totally ignored politicians and other well heeled Catholics who are promoting the gospel of Ayn Rand, where the poor, instead of being blessed and those we are supposed to take care of, are lazy parasites of the well off. Likewise, one wonders how the GOP with their evangelical base that has turned Christ's message into the "prosperity gospel' will react to a humble man's saying that wealth is not everything and we have a world to protect.
It is also interesting that the same right wing politicians who yell and scream about Christianity being attacked, who have time and again talked about the US being a Christian nation and how people like Kim Davis are being attacked,when priests and bishops and Ministers have 'information guides' on who their parishioners should vote for, have the gall to tell the Pope to stay out of politics, it would be pathetic if it didn't defail how much religion has been hijacked by the so called religious right and their supporters. It is God's will to fight global warming, to deny the poor government benefits, to allow corporations unfettered power and greed, but a message that is not political, but that comes right from the gospel, is "politics".
It is also interesting that the same right wing politicians who yell and scream about Christianity being attacked, who have time and again talked about the US being a Christian nation and how people like Kim Davis are being attacked,when priests and bishops and Ministers have 'information guides' on who their parishioners should vote for, have the gall to tell the Pope to stay out of politics, it would be pathetic if it didn't defail how much religion has been hijacked by the so called religious right and their supporters. It is God's will to fight global warming, to deny the poor government benefits, to allow corporations unfettered power and greed, but a message that is not political, but that comes right from the gospel, is "politics".
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Pope Francis has done more for the RC church than anyone for 1,000 years. Let us hope the world is listening. Let us also hope he isn't assassinated for his forward thinking.
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You have done it again. This is the first analysis of the pope's visit that has put the political aside and delved into the true reason for the political class--to effect the common good. How far we so often stray from that understanding, one that Francis does well to remind us about. Bless him for saying it, and you for repeating and emphasizing it.
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The words the words that Pope Francis speaks do indeed sound wonderful, yet the fact remains that in spite of what he says the dogma of the Catholic Church will not change. We will not see women priests or married priests. And the biggest hypocrisy of all is his stance on climate change. A significant contributor to this problem is our growing population, yet the Pope will never condone birth control. The saddest part of this issue is that Catholics who follow the churches teaching on birth control live in the poorest countries and are least able to provide for their young.
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Population explosion has little to do with birth control. It is driven by high infant mortality and lack of education and opportunities. In the richest countries, population is in decline and not due to birth control or abortion.
In the richest countries the women have access to birth control and women use birth control. Birth control makes a difference≥
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It has a great deal to do with men who are hit and run genetic narcissists.
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Well and truly said, Tim. Francis' virtues remind me of my mother, a passionate proponent of Pope John XXIII and Vatican 2, and an equally ardent believer in enlightenment virtues - tolerance, compassion, wisdom, understanding, ...
He moved many with a his message and yes, those actions that spoke so much more loudly than any words - including pulling up to the White House to the blare of trumpets in a little Fiat 500. A scene out of Duck Soup pulled off by this most dignified of men.
Who knows - John Boehner may have been moved not only to tears, but to lay down the speakership he so clearly cherished in a principled stand against yet another attempt to shutdown the government.
Thinking the best of Boehner, which the example of this delightful man has led me to do, I hope.
He moved many with a his message and yes, those actions that spoke so much more loudly than any words - including pulling up to the White House to the blare of trumpets in a little Fiat 500. A scene out of Duck Soup pulled off by this most dignified of men.
Who knows - John Boehner may have been moved not only to tears, but to lay down the speakership he so clearly cherished in a principled stand against yet another attempt to shutdown the government.
Thinking the best of Boehner, which the example of this delightful man has led me to do, I hope.
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“Simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil” is just what the Pope brought to every issue he spoke of.
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"Yes, the speaker of the House can be brought to tears by a beer ad." I let out a big guffaw when I read that, a dead giveaway that I am reading the New York Times at work.
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I wonder if these readers would have the same glowing comments about Pope Francis if he emphasized his clear staunch opposition to gay marriage and abortion(of any type), rather than his emphasis on climate change, and support for the poor. His words in the end were carefully parsed and chosen, and his positions are indeed political. In a week they will mostly be forgotten.
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Francis was pretty clear in his anti-gay marriage stance in his speech to congress yesterday. We do not have to agree with every point of view of another person to support him overall, and in this case, to honor him for trying to take a leadership role in very troubled time in world history.
Pope Francis is a pastor. His responsibility is to preach the gospel not to endorse one party over the other. He preached yesterday and in doing so made clear how much work we have ahead of us to bring true justice and peace rooted in love to fruition.
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I love this Pope. His choice of Francis as his name was a revolutionary act that reverberates to the Sun and the Moon.
Yet the Catholic Church has not adjusted to the fact that there are women on this planet and that there are and will be too many people for a sustainable future.
Yet the Catholic Church has not adjusted to the fact that there are women on this planet and that there are and will be too many people for a sustainable future.
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How long has it been since anyone in that Chamber yesterday invoked the Common Good. When did the absurd Conservatives ever acknowledge that our Constitution is founded on and devoted to the Common Welfare.
The GOP is only about their selfish self interest,their pandering to the Koch brothers,their refusal to acknowledge that climate change is cause by fossil fuels of oil & gas. For too long, the oil industry has been the cash cow for the rich&vested. They perpetuate the myth that climate change isn't real because to admit that it is would mean the end of their cash cow. So they pay "scientists" to agree with them. This is false, just like the "liberal media" is false, it doesn't exist, it's all been bought by right wing media moguls. The "news" you get is the news the right pays for you to hear. The wealthy capitalists don't create jobs, they've sent them over seas. The conservatives goal is to obliterate the middle class, take down the federal government, turn everything to states rights and privatize everything, including social security. You will pay and pay and pay under the GOP.
The GOP goal is the take down of American Democracy. It is happening every day. Don't blame God when you wake up one day and say how did this happen. We heard from Pope Francis, words of truth & courage, he came to tell you. Will you listen?
The GOP is only about their selfish self interest,their pandering to the Koch brothers,their refusal to acknowledge that climate change is cause by fossil fuels of oil & gas. For too long, the oil industry has been the cash cow for the rich&vested. They perpetuate the myth that climate change isn't real because to admit that it is would mean the end of their cash cow. So they pay "scientists" to agree with them. This is false, just like the "liberal media" is false, it doesn't exist, it's all been bought by right wing media moguls. The "news" you get is the news the right pays for you to hear. The wealthy capitalists don't create jobs, they've sent them over seas. The conservatives goal is to obliterate the middle class, take down the federal government, turn everything to states rights and privatize everything, including social security. You will pay and pay and pay under the GOP.
The GOP goal is the take down of American Democracy. It is happening every day. Don't blame God when you wake up one day and say how did this happen. We heard from Pope Francis, words of truth & courage, he came to tell you. Will you listen?
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God did not insert the words "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance. Congress did, unconstitutionally, in 1953.
Why is this man against abortion?
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Because he, like many people, believe that life begins before birth sometime after conception.
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Well said Mr. Egan. The part about "The challenge is not to view his remarks as left or right...", which I agree with, is good advice to NYT reporters who have written stories on his remarks.
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meaning?
"The challenge is not to view his remarks as left or right"
The author obviously doesn't know how to take up his own challenge (as he clearly launches into a partisan attack using the Pope's comments like SCUD missiles).
The author obviously doesn't know how to take up his own challenge (as he clearly launches into a partisan attack using the Pope's comments like SCUD missiles).
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"...those living nontraditional lives, is presenting a far different face in the forgiving smile..." Those living nontraditional lives do not have to be forgiven for anything.
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Pope Francis -- addressing the minions of the billionaire class -- eloquently spoke of the common good and our common home, planet Earth, to a group of people whose view of the world extends only to the next election and, largely, to do the business of large dollar donors. The shills who fling red meat to the sucker-voters who time after time elect those who act against the Nation's interest will forget the Pope's words just as John Boehner will dry his tears and head off to a tax-payer funded easy retirement, possibly with a little well-paid lobbying so he's not dropped from cocktail party invite list.
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Ironic that on same day the head of the richest organiztion ever seen on Earth is preaching about "poverty", the followers of the second richest organization are trampling each other to death in order to witness the re-enactment of a stoning to death. Nothing like the old time religion.
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You know what I find interesting how some conservative pundits some catholic and some not want the Pope to stay out of what they call politics but they have no problem at all invoking gods name for whatever particular political goal they may have But here is what the real effect of Frances visit will have American conservative catholics will think long and hard about voting for a candidate for President who believes climate change is a hoax and who wants to cut taxes for the rich Again! The writing is on the wall Considering Donald Trump is the boastful braggert about his wealth and supposed knowledge who wants to deport 11 million immigrants he will be juxtapsed afainst a humble man who preachesthat those who are fortunate need to care about those who are not and in tbe end whether Trump is the nominee or not the comparrison is stark
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"It’s been a looooooooooong time since this Congress did anything for the common good. Republicans, who run the place, may well bring the government to a halt, in just a few days. Their ranks are stuffed with politicians who think, just after the warmest summer on record, that climate change is a hoax, ***".
To pretend that Republicans really think that climate change is a hoax is to dignify nonsense. They know it's real, as shown by the fact that they used to entertain reasonable proposals to address it. But now, in service of the carbon emitting companies and plutocrats they serve in Congress, they pretend they don't believe in it. Now that charade may convince some of their low information voters, but no one paying attention should be at all persuaded.
To pretend that Republicans really think that climate change is a hoax is to dignify nonsense. They know it's real, as shown by the fact that they used to entertain reasonable proposals to address it. But now, in service of the carbon emitting companies and plutocrats they serve in Congress, they pretend they don't believe in it. Now that charade may convince some of their low information voters, but no one paying attention should be at all persuaded.
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You are quite the mind reader!
I also love this Pope. He addresses the essential issues of wealth disparity, caring for the planet, etc in ways that touch almost every heart.
It is my hope that during his tenure, the Church can open its thinking on sexual discrimination and contraception. Dealing with poverty requires re-evaluting the stances on these issues.
But first, of course, we must feel: what is it like to be impoverished? We must follow the Pope's way of looking at the faces of people who are suffering.
Then if necessary, we must change what we find in our own thinking and actions that contributes to, rather than alleviates, that suffering.
It is my hope that during his tenure, the Church can open its thinking on sexual discrimination and contraception. Dealing with poverty requires re-evaluting the stances on these issues.
But first, of course, we must feel: what is it like to be impoverished? We must follow the Pope's way of looking at the faces of people who are suffering.
Then if necessary, we must change what we find in our own thinking and actions that contributes to, rather than alleviates, that suffering.
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There is something almost vulgar about Pope Francis choosing to speak to Congress and the UN assembly. Jesus Christ spoke only to the common people.
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Actually, Jesus did have the opportunity to speak to the powerful once in his life, at the end. He chose to say essentially nothing.
Vulgar? Just how jaded are you?
In speaking before the Congress, Pope Francis spoke to millions.
His humility speaks volumes to the obscenity that has become American politics.
In speaking before the Congress, Pope Francis spoke to millions.
His humility speaks volumes to the obscenity that has become American politics.
@rod:
Christ talked to the powerful, he told the rich man to give up his wealth, and he certainly addressed the power structure of his day, he challenged the high priests and Pilate, so speaking to Congress and the UN was not out of character of a disciple of Christ, since it was not unknown for Christ to do the same thing. If Jesus Christ came back to earth, despite what the fundamentalist Christian and orthodox Catholics might believe, he would challenge the powers that be, he would be in front of Congress or the UN or anywhere else he felt he needed to get his word across. Christ was not apolitical, rather he fomented change, as the Pope is trying to do, by reminding people, including those in power, how God wishes us to behave, and that is quite radical, to stand up to power and remind them that power is supposed to be used for good.
Christ talked to the powerful, he told the rich man to give up his wealth, and he certainly addressed the power structure of his day, he challenged the high priests and Pilate, so speaking to Congress and the UN was not out of character of a disciple of Christ, since it was not unknown for Christ to do the same thing. If Jesus Christ came back to earth, despite what the fundamentalist Christian and orthodox Catholics might believe, he would challenge the powers that be, he would be in front of Congress or the UN or anywhere else he felt he needed to get his word across. Christ was not apolitical, rather he fomented change, as the Pope is trying to do, by reminding people, including those in power, how God wishes us to behave, and that is quite radical, to stand up to power and remind them that power is supposed to be used for good.
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I have enjoyed the nonstop coverage of a gentle and humble man who appears to be the embodiment of a Christian. It has felt like a breath of fresh air in the midst of an ugly and inflammatory presidential campaign. What a perfect time for the pope to visit the US!
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Is it possible that His Holiness has never heard the old saw about what paves the way to hell? I'm totally with Robert Browning's "Andrea del Sarto" -
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?"
The problem with seeking the unattainable Utopian ideal from a social perspective is that society cannot be totally purged of skeptics. Millions of people have been murdered in the attempt. Humanity requires free will, and free will is a rebellious and defiant impediment to unquestioning belief.
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?"
The problem with seeking the unattainable Utopian ideal from a social perspective is that society cannot be totally purged of skeptics. Millions of people have been murdered in the attempt. Humanity requires free will, and free will is a rebellious and defiant impediment to unquestioning belief.
now i understand! reps lack free will, so they fall in line and provide unquestioning belief
thank you for this
thank you for this
Southern Republican aren't Catholics, so the Pope's words fall on deaf ears.
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@david:
Except maybe in Louisiana, or South Florida, lot of Catholics there. Plus Wisconsin is now a red state, and they are heavily Catholic (think of Paul Ryan, supposedly a devout Catholic), maybe listening to the Pope he will realize that Ayn Rand is the opposite of Christian, not a disciple of Christ (but I won't hold my breath)
Except maybe in Louisiana, or South Florida, lot of Catholics there. Plus Wisconsin is now a red state, and they are heavily Catholic (think of Paul Ryan, supposedly a devout Catholic), maybe listening to the Pope he will realize that Ayn Rand is the opposite of Christian, not a disciple of Christ (but I won't hold my breath)
I hope. I wish. But I'll be surprised if a Pope can change anyone's mind any more. Surprise me!
The use of the adjective broken is broken by the corruption of the language .
Like a lot of people today (some in the media), the Pope likes to talk about things he knows little about.
I suppose it's polite to listen to him. But when making decisions, it's better to listen to educated scholars.
I suppose it's polite to listen to him. But when making decisions, it's better to listen to educated scholars.
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Let me guess, your follow the wisdom of that "scholar" Ayn Rand?
Pope Francis, a good man no doubt, should study how his political, economic and environmental philosophy has worked in Argentina, or in Italy, for that matter. Talk about a broken system. He's completely out of his element.
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Thanks Timothy. So, I wonder if the new Speaker of the House, whoever that will be, can bring Pope Francis back again, real soon, like next year, and address Congress and remind them, and us, of what he said yesterday.
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So instead of a budget showdown over Planed Parenthood why not reduce their budget by 25% and get on to more important things. All in Congress can call it a win. The Pope wants to reduce arms sales (baby and military) but he doesn't want to starve the opposition countries.
Which Pope Francis effect?
Daniel 7 and Revelation 13? Or Matthew 5-7; 19:24; 25:31-46?
John Brown, Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson? Or King and Malcolm? Or Reagan and Bush? Or Wallace, Trump and Carson?
Revolution and the Civil War ? Or enslavement and Jim Crow? Or Reconstruction and Civil Rights?
Pope Francis is a foreign leader from a misogynist white supremacist nation state theocracy. Whose system is broken? America's? Or the Vatican's?
Daniel 7 and Revelation 13? Or Matthew 5-7; 19:24; 25:31-46?
John Brown, Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson? Or King and Malcolm? Or Reagan and Bush? Or Wallace, Trump and Carson?
Revolution and the Civil War ? Or enslavement and Jim Crow? Or Reconstruction and Civil Rights?
Pope Francis is a foreign leader from a misogynist white supremacist nation state theocracy. Whose system is broken? America's? Or the Vatican's?
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The liberal/progressives hate anything to do with religion. But now that the Pope has supported their open border policies and climate change agenda, they love him and believe we should follow his words.
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At its core, the pope's message in Congress was how to live a life and share a planet, but do not bother the Vatican's wealth and waste it on the poor. What a show. What a bunch of dummies.
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Let's see whether or not he can impose reform on the Curia or not before we declare his papacy a failure.
Amazing how Francis calling on America to build for the future and embrace what is best for we the people sounds like ant-Americanism while it is exactly what our country was founded for.
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An American Muslim's perspective on Pope Francis. Yesterday was Eid al-Adha - Feast of the Sacrifice - commemorating Ibrahim's/Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his first-born son (Ishmael and not Issac in the Islamic version) on God's command - a sign of his total commitment and faith in God, the basis for all Abrahamic faiths. There is a morning Eid prayer (the 2 Eid prayers per year are the most widely attended similar to Easter and Christmas services). There is a Khutbah or sermon at the end of the prayer. Pope Francis delivered his address to Congress about the same time that many Muslims heard their Eid Khutbah on the East Coast. After hearing Pope Francis' address later in the day, my wife said it was the best Eid Khutbah she had heard - I very much agree with her. It was a picture perfect day in NJ yesterday and we enjoyed Eid with our family and friends as always. For me, it was unfortunately also a sad day to be a Muslim yesterday - almost 800 Hajj pilgrims dying due to Saudi incompetence; an ISIS suicide bomber who celebrated Eid by killing 25 of his fellow Muslims and himself. Shameful symbols of where Islam is today and fresh ammunition for all the Islamophobes who will smear all Muslims (including the innocent dead ones) in guilt by association. It took an extraordinary Pope to lift my spirits, to touch my heart, and show what can be great about religion and faith. Thank you Pope Francis.
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I think it more likely that Abraham took exile from Ur to save his son from the futile exercise of human sacrifice.
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Steve,
It wasn't necessary to rain on MC's heartfelt message.
It wasn't necessary to rain on MC's heartfelt message.
Pope Francis speaks with a good Christian heart about the poor, the hungry, and our climate. What is needed is merely to instruct a starving country how to build their own medical schools so they can create their own doctors to heal their sick, and teach them farming skills to successfully feed all citizens. God gave all humans intelligence. All humans have the same needs for shelter, food, and water. There are many different religions in the world, but only the true God is good. However, this will require the cooperation of all the governments of all the countries in the world, regardless of their political stance. Could the more than 7 billion humans on earth, countries and governments cooperate to save humanity?
To date in 2015 man is pompous filled with hubris in declaring his trip to the moon, the projected trip to Mars, the wisdom in creating nuclear armaments for defense.....yet fails to eradicate human diseases such as Alzheimer's, Ebola, Polio, Lupus Erythematosus, Influenza, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Diabetes, HIV/AIDS, Asthma, Cancer, and the common cold.
To date in 2015 man is pompous filled with hubris in declaring his trip to the moon, the projected trip to Mars, the wisdom in creating nuclear armaments for defense.....yet fails to eradicate human diseases such as Alzheimer's, Ebola, Polio, Lupus Erythematosus, Influenza, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Diabetes, HIV/AIDS, Asthma, Cancer, and the common cold.
If you say so. All I see are strings of platitudes, but then, the fact that someone has reached a high position in a religious hierarchy gives him no moral suasion at all, at least not to me.
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So there are no good people in the world who are successful? That's a pretty broad statement to make. Got any particular facts to back it up? Just curious.
Pope Francis is well intended. But the poor don't need more handouts - they need JOBS. The problem in our economy post - 2008 is the lack of good job creation for those who don't attend college. There are many factors, one is so-called free trade where some of our trading partners get unfair advantage and some like China engage in currency manipulation to keep the prices of their goods low.
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The Pope isn't referring to handouts when he talks about fair wages and the dignity of work. He is talking about jobs.
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well your party has stood in the way of every attempt to help the economy. Sicne they broke it intentionally dont expect your party to help
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@dave:
If you read the Pope's comments, you would realize that he is not only talking about handouts. He spoke out against greed and the disparity of wealth, which includes those who exploit third world labor to boost the stock price and make themselves wealthy, those who have created wealth out of manipulating paper, and he talks often about the dignity of people and the right to live a decent life, something that corporate and individual greed works against. I will add that your statement is something he is fighting against as well, the GOP idea that the poor are living off handouts and don't want to work, that is the Ayn Rand ideal that has become the gospel of the GOP and the right wing, and has been tacitly supported by the US Catholic hierarchy and has been openly supported by evangelical Christians.
If you read the Pope's comments, you would realize that he is not only talking about handouts. He spoke out against greed and the disparity of wealth, which includes those who exploit third world labor to boost the stock price and make themselves wealthy, those who have created wealth out of manipulating paper, and he talks often about the dignity of people and the right to live a decent life, something that corporate and individual greed works against. I will add that your statement is something he is fighting against as well, the GOP idea that the poor are living off handouts and don't want to work, that is the Ayn Rand ideal that has become the gospel of the GOP and the right wing, and has been tacitly supported by the US Catholic hierarchy and has been openly supported by evangelical Christians.
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Egan: "It’s been a looooooooooong time since this Congress did anything for the common good."
A very thoughtful op-ed, Timothy Egan; one with some very good questions and quotations.
You get it right in your comment about elected representatives in Congress (i.e., the Republicans, that are, again, moving toward a government shutdown) having not done anything in a long time to advance the common good, THEIR PRIMARY JOB.
Instead, they, namely the Republicans, have made every effort to destroy the common good when voting repeatedly to destroy the ACA. They also have manifested no understanding of the "golden rule" -- e.g., what they have (generous health care benefits) and cherish, they do not want for all Americans.
In their vision of America only a few are to flourish while the many flounder, the very antithesis of the common good -- "...(I)t the common good) requires the constant ability and effort to seek the good of others as though it were one's own good" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/document....
A very thoughtful op-ed, Timothy Egan; one with some very good questions and quotations.
You get it right in your comment about elected representatives in Congress (i.e., the Republicans, that are, again, moving toward a government shutdown) having not done anything in a long time to advance the common good, THEIR PRIMARY JOB.
Instead, they, namely the Republicans, have made every effort to destroy the common good when voting repeatedly to destroy the ACA. They also have manifested no understanding of the "golden rule" -- e.g., what they have (generous health care benefits) and cherish, they do not want for all Americans.
In their vision of America only a few are to flourish while the many flounder, the very antithesis of the common good -- "...(I)t the common good) requires the constant ability and effort to seek the good of others as though it were one's own good" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/document....
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One might think that it wouldn't require a Papal visit to effectively communicate a message of empathy, compassion and decency - and, above all - to do so by personifying the very essence of absolute integrity ...
but if that's what it takes, so be it;
- if the "rest of us" - those of us who really care about the future of ... well, the future of everything that matters - can gather some strength and find a way to move forward with hope and confidence, then we all can rejoice and be grateful for what is happening before our eyes ...
but if that's what it takes, so be it;
- if the "rest of us" - those of us who really care about the future of ... well, the future of everything that matters - can gather some strength and find a way to move forward with hope and confidence, then we all can rejoice and be grateful for what is happening before our eyes ...
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Can't we all just get along? I guess the afterglow didn't even last a day for our Congressional "leaders".
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“For what is political, or even controversial, about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?” Mr. Egan has crafted perhaps the best reaction to Pope Francis’ speech to Congress that I have read, heard, or seen. This writer is a cynical, old atheist who is nevertheless hopeful that many or at some in Congress will actually listen to what Francis had to say, take a breath, and think, “Hmmmm, maybe we ought to try a different way.” Time will tell.
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"No one shouted "You lie!"." What if Francis were black? Would the republican racists have held their tongues?
"It’s been a looooooooooong time since this Congress did anything for the common good." Oh, so true!
And weeping John Boehner has presided over and guided the Congress not only to not do anything for the common good, but in fact, to harm the common good. Sinful!
And weeping John Boehner has presided over and guided the Congress not only to not do anything for the common good, but in fact, to harm the common good. Sinful!
If you wish to view vile & evil, then look no further than the GOP reactions and comments to the words spoken by the Pope! Can these folks go no lower?
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Sure they can go lower - they could switch to being Democrats.
Get insulated in your homes, insulate, tape your windows. The cold is still ours in winter.
As we have witnessed this week, many are the virtues and charms of Pope Francis.
He is an extraordinary man, with the rare ability to give voice to the many and disparate.
But let me say that perhaps the most amazing thing about Francis is his obvious ability to transform heathenish secularists like Timothy Egan and his viperous leftist ilk, who reflexively spit poisonous venom into the eye of The Catholic Church, for once to actually appreciate, and even perhaps venerate, this most enduring of religious institutions that has done so much for so many people for so long.
To me, this constitutes the most miraculous of miracles performed since Jesus Christ himself made the blind to see!
Thank you Pope Francis. And thank you also, Timothy Egan. God willing there’s hope yet for all you lousy stinking rotten secular progressives.
He is an extraordinary man, with the rare ability to give voice to the many and disparate.
But let me say that perhaps the most amazing thing about Francis is his obvious ability to transform heathenish secularists like Timothy Egan and his viperous leftist ilk, who reflexively spit poisonous venom into the eye of The Catholic Church, for once to actually appreciate, and even perhaps venerate, this most enduring of religious institutions that has done so much for so many people for so long.
To me, this constitutes the most miraculous of miracles performed since Jesus Christ himself made the blind to see!
Thank you Pope Francis. And thank you also, Timothy Egan. God willing there’s hope yet for all you lousy stinking rotten secular progressives.
John Dooley, seems like you missed the point of the Pope's message.
did you really have to use the Pope as an excuse to heap on Tim and other progressives? Nice touch.
If only congress really listened to the pope's words. But we all know what will happen next week. The government wont have a budget til the very last minute of the very last day possible or they will shut it down. All because of some phony video that a phony woman candidate keeps watching and the media is covering. Everybody knows the facts about Planned Parenthood - no federal funding for abortions (only the rich can get them), they procure tissues from fetuses to be used for medical science so maybe someday all of our diseases will be eradicated, they are not GIVEN money from the federal government (but are reimbursed for care given to poor women on medicaid and maybe medicare (not sure on that one)). But yes, republicans shut down the government even though you know nothing will change because, thank God we have a president with a brain that will not allow this to happen. All to please a bunch of hateful people who will vote republican anyway. So for one day you were not hateful and listed to a wise holy man. Now back to work trying to break the backs of the poor. Remember though, no matter how much money we reimburse PP for, we still give away over 8 BILLION a year to Israel so their warmongering leader can hate our president and cause grief in the middle east.
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The pope's words fell on many a deaf ear in Congress. Some were even caught sleeping or dozing off.
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His message was beautiful and inspirational. I am left worrying about why he chose to canonize Junipero Serra, killer of thousands of indigenous natives in the now American southwest, at the same time. Perhaps even a Pope is not able to heal all, including schisms within the church.
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I've never snorted cocaine, but I hear the head-rush one gets from it is pretty intense and such is why people get hooked on it.
In my reading of the pope's temporary morality-rush he's given the US, maybe we'd better be careful not to inhale too deeply, lest he put ourselves at risk of getting addicted. There's no place for such behavior in this society, so sadly and alas we'd all have to be put in jail for such a violation of our laws.
In my reading of the pope's temporary morality-rush he's given the US, maybe we'd better be careful not to inhale too deeply, lest he put ourselves at risk of getting addicted. There's no place for such behavior in this society, so sadly and alas we'd all have to be put in jail for such a violation of our laws.
As an old anti-war activist, I hope at some point Pope Francis reminds Americans of the Just War Tradition, originating with St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas & other Christian theologians & Jewish scholars, a heretofore cornerstone of Judeo-Christian ethics which has long been forgotten in this country. Twice in last few decades we have ignored & grossly violated those principles (in Vietnam & Iraq especially) with catastrophic consequences in human life & suffering, and wasted resources so badly needed elsewhere.
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What a fine, decent, motivating, intelligent, sweet human being. But what is revelatory here? Many people, including other leaders, have espoused the same sentiments and philosophies. We are so desperate for an icon to follow. Just because he leads the most powerful and richest religious institution in the world makes his words more significant and impactful? Are we, the followers, that weak that we need this particular man's vision so much to lead a good life?
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Apparently we are that weak. One can only hope that we are nevertheless strong enough to follow that vision.
It is fascinating to see how a few softly spoken words can destroy the screams of zealots across the full political spectrum. It is also sobering that the smallness of stature of those in Congress has been so thoroughly demonstrated in comparison to the Pope's manner and message.
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I find it interesting that the comments on this column and others about the Pope's visit do not, with some exceptions, contain postings from the vicious, screaming, far right wing, prejudiced commenters/trolls that ruin informed dialogue on every almost every other topic. Perhpas for a day or so some of these people will lay low. I hope so.
Pope Francis, in my mind, represents a leader that is sorely missing from our political landscape. Much of the message the pope presented to congress is similar or identical to that of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders – but Bernie is no Pope Francis.
When I was still an election cycle shy of being old enough to vote, JFK inspired a great many among my generation to become involved. We again see a new enthusiasm among young people, they are becoming politically active, registering to vote, volunteering. This may become the most important part of what Bernie accomplishes – but Bernie is no JFK.
Until a time when a leader does come along, one that can bring us together and make us great again as a nation, let's hope enough of those elected to serve feel the "Francis Effect".
When I was still an election cycle shy of being old enough to vote, JFK inspired a great many among my generation to become involved. We again see a new enthusiasm among young people, they are becoming politically active, registering to vote, volunteering. This may become the most important part of what Bernie accomplishes – but Bernie is no JFK.
Until a time when a leader does come along, one that can bring us together and make us great again as a nation, let's hope enough of those elected to serve feel the "Francis Effect".
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Bernie may not have charisma, but we can follow him because it is the right and intelligent thing to do.
no one shouted "you lie," but the presence of disgraced cardinal (protector of child-abusing priests) roger mahoney in his entourage, provided far more than a grain of salt.
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The guy talks espouses egalitarianism and socialism, yet sits atop the most
male dominated hierarchy in the world. No credibility. Come Monday morning,
office talk returns to NFL scores.
male dominated hierarchy in the world. No credibility. Come Monday morning,
office talk returns to NFL scores.
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Just out of curiosity, who did the GOP high muckamucks invite to sit in Congress's box seats for the Pope's speech? The Koch brothers?
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Sadly, the immediate GOP takeaway from the Pope's address will likely be that we must heed the Pope's message and defund Planned Parenthood.
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Yes, SO sad; not going to happen. PP provides too many non-abortion-related services to POOR women to be defunded, and none of your puny tax dollars go to performing abortions.
PP helps protect developing lives in the womb by advising on nutrition and avoidance of alcohol and other developmental poisons during wanted pregnancies.
The Pope's opinions on economics are what took Argentina from a prosperous nation like Canada and the US, to a basket case like Venezuela. Just look at the decline of Argentina from 1900 to 2000, and you'll see what his approach to economics can do. I'm sorry to say that the man is a left-wing flake.
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You do realize that it was the imposition of strict free-market ideas, plus the manipulation of the US in how and if Argentina got access to IMF loans, that ruined their economy, right? Argentina was unfortunate in that it did everything the IMF wanted; gutted their social safety nets, deregulated finance and other businesses, and generally created a system that is inherently unstable because there isn't any government policy to smooth out the business cycles. Hyperinflation and hyperdepression cycles followed.
Your economic fallacies are why Argentina hasn't ever fully taken its place on the international monetary and economic stage. "Left-wing" economics, like those of almost every economically advanced country in the world, seem to be working really well, considering that if you exclude the US, every other advanced economy has a strong social safety net and is doing quite well, while countries with weaker social safety nets are doing worse and those who have been forced to weaken or destroy their safety nets are doing the worst of all.
Your economic fallacies are why Argentina hasn't ever fully taken its place on the international monetary and economic stage. "Left-wing" economics, like those of almost every economically advanced country in the world, seem to be working really well, considering that if you exclude the US, every other advanced economy has a strong social safety net and is doing quite well, while countries with weaker social safety nets are doing worse and those who have been forced to weaken or destroy their safety nets are doing the worst of all.
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So Argentina's leaders designed their economy based on the Pope's beliefs? Difficult to believe. Maybe they were just stupid.
your bias is breath-taking. Francis did not destroy the economy of Argentina.
The point of this column, especially the mention of John Boehner, takes on added weight in light of Speaker Boehner's imminent resignation as speaker! No sooner did the Pope leave the Capitol than the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party won its push to remove Boehner and shut down the government, which is imminent. In our current all-too-this-worldly national politics, even the intervention of the Pope may be powerless to bring about constructive, cooperative debate and action, sadly.
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What is all this talk about the Pope being too political. Jesus did not get crucified for being politically correct. No, he went to cross because, like Pope Francis, he threatened a political establishment with his challenge to those in power to serve the least among us, not themselves.
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Wow. I can't believe the invective comments made below. Did we all witness the same person? So sweet, so open a man as Pope Francis, courageous in speech and action. Have people become so cynical that they still try to use his message as a political football? Talk about missing the point.
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What a breath of fresh air the Pope is after a summer of Donald Trump! It is hard to imagine two more divergent world views.
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Catholicism is a mythology spun by Hellenists riffing on the the Old Testament and Jesus's life and death.
Paul's epiphany saw Jesus as Yahweh's human sacrifice, atoning for Adam-Eve-Serpant sins--via Leviticus. But he also preached Socrates' theme of vice as involuntary: "When I do what I would not; it is not I who does it but sin, dwelling within me" (Romans). For Socrates sin was ignorance; for Paul and Muslim's at stoning walls, sin is the Devil.
Augustine took Plato's theology (god stories)) created expressly as a mythology (Timaeus) and touted them as nonfiction.
Thomas Aquinas took the Stoics Natural Law (as in physics and politics) and touted it as Divine Law. A perversion, since "by nature" is innate, not artifactual; undoing the great Greek naturalist revolution by the physikoi. Making physical science subordinate to mythology--still a huge worldwide problem.
But still--
Plato taught that ideally the wise and public spirited should set public policy. Good (Temperate, Courageous, Just and Wise) polities were special realities, with special virtues, not reducible to individuals constantly competing to bigger shares. Certainly not government of, by and for the 1%. And this idea made it into Catholicism too.
Aristotle also knew wholes are greater than their parts. New--higher order--realities emerge from their elements. Even (now) atoms are "organic" unities more than collections of electrons and protons. So too families and polities and peoples.
Paul's epiphany saw Jesus as Yahweh's human sacrifice, atoning for Adam-Eve-Serpant sins--via Leviticus. But he also preached Socrates' theme of vice as involuntary: "When I do what I would not; it is not I who does it but sin, dwelling within me" (Romans). For Socrates sin was ignorance; for Paul and Muslim's at stoning walls, sin is the Devil.
Augustine took Plato's theology (god stories)) created expressly as a mythology (Timaeus) and touted them as nonfiction.
Thomas Aquinas took the Stoics Natural Law (as in physics and politics) and touted it as Divine Law. A perversion, since "by nature" is innate, not artifactual; undoing the great Greek naturalist revolution by the physikoi. Making physical science subordinate to mythology--still a huge worldwide problem.
But still--
Plato taught that ideally the wise and public spirited should set public policy. Good (Temperate, Courageous, Just and Wise) polities were special realities, with special virtues, not reducible to individuals constantly competing to bigger shares. Certainly not government of, by and for the 1%. And this idea made it into Catholicism too.
Aristotle also knew wholes are greater than their parts. New--higher order--realities emerge from their elements. Even (now) atoms are "organic" unities more than collections of electrons and protons. So too families and polities and peoples.
A number of comments concern the issue of birth control and women in the clergy and will give no credit to this Pope if he does not address those issues head on. They forget that Rome was not built in a day and neither was Catholic doctrine. To expect the Pope to blythely throw out tenets of faith without causing a break up of the Catholic Church is naive. He has gone much further than any Pope before him with his statement "who am I to judge" and advocating to simplify marriage annulment. One can hope that the Church will eventually embrace the modern world but it will take more than one pope to get there. Decent human beings in a position to influence large number of people are exceedingly rare, this Pope deserves all the praise he gets.
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Over population *is* the number one issue. Every other world problem stems from that, including global warming.
If changing the anti woman anti birth control doctrine of the Catholic Church causes it to 'break up', so be it.
Better than staying the course.
If changing the anti woman anti birth control doctrine of the Catholic Church causes it to 'break up', so be it.
Better than staying the course.
Pope Francis touched on the important topics that effect all of us. I want to commend John Boehner for arranging this wonderful Congressional meting and he should be so proud at the outcome. I am so glad that the Pope talked about the importance of human live at all stages. He is an ardent pro-life Pope who sees the dignity in all persons from conception to end of life. This was important for him to mention as was the importance of marriage and the family. Pope Francis has great sympathy for those who chose a different lifestyle and does not judge but he still stresses that marriage is between one man and one woman. These social issues about pro life and traditional marriage will never change. Pope Francis knows how important these issues are for the continuity of a happy family life.
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If Pope Francis is concerned about "the importance of human life at conception", he's saying that he isn't concerned about women's lives. That means that he either a) doesn't think women are human or b) doesn't think their lives matter and thus isn't actually concerned about all human life. Take your pick. Either way, I'm not impressed.
"A nation can be considered great when it defends liberty as Lincoln did, when it fosters a culture which enables people to “dream” of full rights for all their brothers and sisters, as Martin Luther King sought to do; when it strives for justice and the cause of the oppressed, as Dorothy Day did by her tireless work, the fruit of a faith which becomes dialogue and sows peace in the contemplative style of Thomas Merton."
Yes, the four americans the Pope choose to honor: speak against modern version of the Republican Party and their candidates: Who scream NO to Merton, when they refuse to talk and use diplomacy and pander to the narrow minded and the fearful, NO to Day, when they oppose regulation and social programs to help the workers and the poor and only desire to perpetuate inequality, NO to MLK, when they bash the undocumented and build walls and spend lavishly on the military and prisons and hinder the right to vote, and finally NO to Lincoln who exhorted us as divided people "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." This is why we are exceptional not our grandiose religiousness, not our bombs and guns, not our opulence and our pride.
Yes, the four americans the Pope choose to honor: speak against modern version of the Republican Party and their candidates: Who scream NO to Merton, when they refuse to talk and use diplomacy and pander to the narrow minded and the fearful, NO to Day, when they oppose regulation and social programs to help the workers and the poor and only desire to perpetuate inequality, NO to MLK, when they bash the undocumented and build walls and spend lavishly on the military and prisons and hinder the right to vote, and finally NO to Lincoln who exhorted us as divided people "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." This is why we are exceptional not our grandiose religiousness, not our bombs and guns, not our opulence and our pride.
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People adore this pope because he appears, by all acounts, to be a man who walks the walk. He's humble and authentic. Contrasting the blaring hypocrisy and lies of the instantaneous Internet age, he quietly heralds the timeless moral vaues that been the light of humanity since the begining.
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In view of the Pope's gentle reminders and suggestions, Congress can step forward and close down the country by way of sanctifying their stand on the rights of women.
Who was the Pope talking to? Boehner wept?
To the Pope, Congress is saying, "We came, we heard, and we are planning to give your words all the consideration they are due."
I hope he isn't holding his breath.
Who was the Pope talking to? Boehner wept?
To the Pope, Congress is saying, "We came, we heard, and we are planning to give your words all the consideration they are due."
I hope he isn't holding his breath.
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While John Boehner wept because he knows the pope is right and his fellow Republicans are mislead, Senator Bernie Sanders cried because he felt a strong connection to the pope's message. Bernie has been talking about the same thing for many years. He was crying tears of joy because the pope addressed issues that are important not only to Americans, but the entire world. If the pope could endorse a presidential candidate, without a doubt it wound be Bernie Sanders.
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I'm an atheist, but I do genuinely like Pope Francis. Seeing him standing in Congress provided a striking contrast to the low character of many of the grifters and charlatans assembled there listening to him. However well intentioned his words though, until the Church changes its message on birth control, they ring hollow. Along with climate change, overpopulation -- particularly in the third world -- is the biggest challenge we face as a species. There are simply too many people, and current birth rates are simply unsustainable if the human race is to survive. At some point the world's religions and its more responsible governments are going to have to face up to the problem.
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'...Along with climate change, overpopulation -- particularly in the third world -- is the biggest challenge we face as a species...'
Over population caused climate change, so it is not 'along' with it.
And Catholicism and Islam are both culpable in this, as they both deny reproductive rights to women, while they both demand society pay the cost.
Over population caused climate change, so it is not 'along' with it.
And Catholicism and Islam are both culpable in this, as they both deny reproductive rights to women, while they both demand society pay the cost.
They say timing is everything.
Following 2 crazed Republican "debates"/food fights by the 16 narcissistic Stooges who want to be POTUS, the timing of Pope Francis's first visit to the U.S. and his inspiring talk before Congress could not have been more fortuitous. The contrast in adult behavior was mind bending.
There they were--the 16 "debatable" stooges verbally bopping each other over the head and spouting negative nonsense and lots of made-up stuff intended to bring out the worst in American human nature (Note: we do have a sordid history when it comes to how we treat others when we want money, power, or anything else).
Contrast this terrible-twos Republican behavior with the gentle-smiling, peaceful Pope, who advises us squabbling Americans to take of each other and the planet, to cooperate with each other, and to play fair.
Our emotional Speaker Boehner cried at what the Pope said. But I wondered:
Was he crying because he was so truly touched by what the Pope said, or
Was he crying because he was the one who had invited the Pope to speak before Congress and now feared he would be put in the Republican time-out room for daring to allow someone to dispute very effectively all the Republicans have been doing to enrich the rich, trash the planet for monetary gain, and punish the poor for being poor.
By nature, the Pope is a decent man and a healer--like Obama. His visit is a much-needed antidote to those who have worked so hard to make America sick.
Following 2 crazed Republican "debates"/food fights by the 16 narcissistic Stooges who want to be POTUS, the timing of Pope Francis's first visit to the U.S. and his inspiring talk before Congress could not have been more fortuitous. The contrast in adult behavior was mind bending.
There they were--the 16 "debatable" stooges verbally bopping each other over the head and spouting negative nonsense and lots of made-up stuff intended to bring out the worst in American human nature (Note: we do have a sordid history when it comes to how we treat others when we want money, power, or anything else).
Contrast this terrible-twos Republican behavior with the gentle-smiling, peaceful Pope, who advises us squabbling Americans to take of each other and the planet, to cooperate with each other, and to play fair.
Our emotional Speaker Boehner cried at what the Pope said. But I wondered:
Was he crying because he was so truly touched by what the Pope said, or
Was he crying because he was the one who had invited the Pope to speak before Congress and now feared he would be put in the Republican time-out room for daring to allow someone to dispute very effectively all the Republicans have been doing to enrich the rich, trash the planet for monetary gain, and punish the poor for being poor.
By nature, the Pope is a decent man and a healer--like Obama. His visit is a much-needed antidote to those who have worked so hard to make America sick.
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Boehner has avoided the time-out room by removing himself from the building. He'll turn up as a highly-paid lobbyist, no doubt.
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An article in the same edition as this one demonstrated the problems of the Roman Catholic Church in the Bronx. The Pope's message to the Congress and the American people is empty of sincerity if his own Church cannot share the wealth among their poorer brethren in these tattered parishes. When one gazes on the splendor of the Vatican and the gathering of the American Cardinals and Bishops it is difficult not to use the words Jesus delivered to the Pharisees and Sadducees in his times. Hypocrites is probably the least one can say about the present bunch.
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All should keep in mind the words spoken by Pope Francis as they choose those they wish to lead our country in the next elections. Will they select the best President and congress that money can buy or those who will work for the common good -- as Theodore Roosevelt and other progreessives have advocated?
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Egan took his normal snarky shots to disparage the GOP but didn't have the courage to mention the Pope's eloquent words on the sanctity of human life at every level of development. Maybe Egan missed that part of the speech. The Congress roared its approval. I was listening to the radio broadcast wondering if the Democrat hypocrites, days after voting to fund abortions at Planned Parenthood, stood and cheered the Pope's words.
By the way, Mr. Egan, the man who said "you lie!" referring to Obama's speech to the Congress about Obamacare was absolutely correct.
By the way, Mr. Egan, the man who said "you lie!" referring to Obama's speech to the Congress about Obamacare was absolutely correct.
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No, you lie!
Funny. You glossed over the criticism - or "concern" - that Francis leveled abour our profound disrespect for unborn and terminal life that manifests itself through legalized abortion and assisted suicide. You also didn't choose to highlight his reference to how the traditional family continues to be undermined by progressive social values.
Yet your call for nonpartisanship finds plenty of room to criticize the GOP. Not that I really expected anything better from NYT.
If the system is broken, it is at least as broken for those who affirm the wanton extermination of tens of millions of unborn children, and who assist in the destruction and devaluation of the traditional family, as it is for those who don't happen to believe government confiscation of earned wealth or the sacrificing of progress to environmentalist idealism are the answers to human suffering.
Yet your call for nonpartisanship finds plenty of room to criticize the GOP. Not that I really expected anything better from NYT.
If the system is broken, it is at least as broken for those who affirm the wanton extermination of tens of millions of unborn children, and who assist in the destruction and devaluation of the traditional family, as it is for those who don't happen to believe government confiscation of earned wealth or the sacrificing of progress to environmentalist idealism are the answers to human suffering.
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The wealth and size of the United States is immense compared to the wealth and size of European countries. The number of immigrants entering our country (legal and illegal) is tiny next to the number trying to enter those countries. Perhaps if we changed our immigration laws and policies, there wouldn't be so many "illegals." They're illegal because the only way they can enter the U.S. is by sneaking in. Why is that? Our own ancestors were immigrants not so very long ago. Did they have to sneak in? We all know how the original American immigrants got into the country and what they did after they got here. Is that why we're so afraid of immigration? We have wealth and space, but we don't want to share it. My parents told me I was selfish when I didn't want to share with my younger siblings. I thought I was right because my toys were my toys.
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When I was an altar boy, our priest was an unhappy old Irishman: tipsy, foul-mouthed and usually screaming for more money. He only succeeded in building a big, ugly and empty church.
At my Jesuit college across the state in the city where Egan grew up, the cops ran the president out of town,
I read once that the pope in World War 2 failed to warn the Jews of where those trains were going because he was worried about the Vatican's empire remaining intact. Historians have mostly concluded a few brave words might have saved millions.
The point is, for me, popes have been pretty terrible. One made musical counterpoint an ex-communicable offense. How about those Borgias? Facing the population bomb in Latin America, one said: "Let us deny no one a place at the banquet of life." An Ohio bishop claimed a vote for Kerry would be a mortal sin because John believed in choice.
(At the UW, our Sociology professor explained the church's position on birth control as bureaucratic law -- "Every bureaucracy or state always wants to maximize its number of followers.")
I had concluded that the Church was a dead duck, and good riddance. And then along comes Francis, this Italian raised in Argentina who personifies the church's primary and most wonderful qualities.
Hey, when all else fails, try goodness. Isn't it amazing, how effective this can be? Now I might go back to church. And I know just which one, The one my immigrant French ancestors built on a prairie in the 1860's.
At my Jesuit college across the state in the city where Egan grew up, the cops ran the president out of town,
I read once that the pope in World War 2 failed to warn the Jews of where those trains were going because he was worried about the Vatican's empire remaining intact. Historians have mostly concluded a few brave words might have saved millions.
The point is, for me, popes have been pretty terrible. One made musical counterpoint an ex-communicable offense. How about those Borgias? Facing the population bomb in Latin America, one said: "Let us deny no one a place at the banquet of life." An Ohio bishop claimed a vote for Kerry would be a mortal sin because John believed in choice.
(At the UW, our Sociology professor explained the church's position on birth control as bureaucratic law -- "Every bureaucracy or state always wants to maximize its number of followers.")
I had concluded that the Church was a dead duck, and good riddance. And then along comes Francis, this Italian raised in Argentina who personifies the church's primary and most wonderful qualities.
Hey, when all else fails, try goodness. Isn't it amazing, how effective this can be? Now I might go back to church. And I know just which one, The one my immigrant French ancestors built on a prairie in the 1860's.
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"This is the place where money serves the well connected". Isn't this exactly the principal reason why the Clinton's are worth nearly $1b today? The never started a business, they don't really employ a significant number of people and they don't sell anything but political influence. All of their money was made peddling their connections. Yet this is the champions of the left. Oh, the hypocrisy of the left.
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Alas, Congress has already erased the pope's speech from its collective memory and returned to partisan bickering. The House Republicans are meeting right now even as I type this to decide whether they will agree to an effort proposed by their own leaders to keep government running past September 30, the end of the current fiscal year. Increasingly, it appears that another shutdown is inevitable. And on it goes.
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When a person's mind has been warped into believing that only the wealthy can act for "the common good," and that only wealth is evidence of goodness, what can a man who sits in silk and gold robes atop the wealth of the Vatican say that will convince the wealthy and powerful into acting generously?
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I should have read Paul Krugman's column, "Dewey, Cheatem and Howe," first. He makes my point much better than I can. Will Republicans change their attitudes simply because they got to meet the Pope without having to bend their knees at the Vatican? Doubtful.
Insulate,help Rome's poor have the luxury if a shower.
So true, but so sad that as soon as the Pope returns to Rome, it will be business as usual amongst the naysayers and the Pope's message will be critiqued, castigated and held in contempt by some. They will think it bad that he invoked politics to be the vehicle of morality. I hope I am wrong, but I do not think I will be.
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Then resist it.
I am noticing how much everyone around me just accepts the way that things are and throws their hands up as if there is nothing to be done. Collectively, we create these messes that we inhabit.
So let us follow this pope's ideas, and each enact them in our local surroundings. That means, resisting contempt, hate, wedge politics, and the rat race to degraded existence.
I am noticing how much everyone around me just accepts the way that things are and throws their hands up as if there is nothing to be done. Collectively, we create these messes that we inhabit.
So let us follow this pope's ideas, and each enact them in our local surroundings. That means, resisting contempt, hate, wedge politics, and the rat race to degraded existence.
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While I applaud the sincerity and humility of the Pope and his message of acceptance of all and helping those in need, he is hindered by the stubborn reality that is the doctrine of the church he heads.
In the Catholic Church women are dismissed as unequal to men and not allowed to become priests, contraception is not allowed as the poor bring more children to die in poverty, gays are now accepted as long as they keep their sexuality to themselves and priests are allowed to forgive women who had abortions as if a woman's control over her body was subject to the pardon of men who have never married or had children.
Francis is a good man with good intentions but so are many other men who are out in the world defending the rights of women, helping the poor and accepting their gay neighbors. The only difference seems to be that Francis is the Pope of a church that holds billions in property and money while their parishioners go without, and his gestures of humility and simplicity will not change any of that or the doctrine of the church.
Francis of Assisi gave up his riches and his comfort to embrace those in need, I just don't see this happening with this Francis any time soon. He is a very convincing messenger for his church but that is all he is.
In the Catholic Church women are dismissed as unequal to men and not allowed to become priests, contraception is not allowed as the poor bring more children to die in poverty, gays are now accepted as long as they keep their sexuality to themselves and priests are allowed to forgive women who had abortions as if a woman's control over her body was subject to the pardon of men who have never married or had children.
Francis is a good man with good intentions but so are many other men who are out in the world defending the rights of women, helping the poor and accepting their gay neighbors. The only difference seems to be that Francis is the Pope of a church that holds billions in property and money while their parishioners go without, and his gestures of humility and simplicity will not change any of that or the doctrine of the church.
Francis of Assisi gave up his riches and his comfort to embrace those in need, I just don't see this happening with this Francis any time soon. He is a very convincing messenger for his church but that is all he is.
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Broken system? Not really. It is working exactly as it should, that being government not being able to expand its reach into our lives. Gridlock has its merits, being the ability to stop further taking of our freedom away. The idea that you need 'comprise' to get things done is delusional, especially if not having such stops the further intrusion of government into our lives. Passing and implementing more laws has nothing to do with the 'common good', especially if you believe that the government has turned into an evil force in our lives.
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"that being government not being able to expand its reach into our lives"
Unless, of course, it is expanding its reach into our lives by telling us what to do with our bodies? Right.
Unless, of course, it is expanding its reach into our lives by telling us what to do with our bodies? Right.
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Coolhunter I bet you didn't live on the Jersey shore when Hurricane Sandy hit, because if you did you would want the government in your life big time helping you to rebuild your life. It is you who are delusional if you think that all of life is not a compromise even in the smallness of a single family. "No man is an island". Pope Francis has come here to tell us we are all one and living on one distressed planet. Without love for one another and compromise we are nothing.
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" For what is political, or even controversial, about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?"
Amen
Amen
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"[T]he simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil.” Sounds like the pope is on board with moral relativism. Someone go tell the GOP!
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I also wept. As one who has grown up with many who call themselves christian, such as Kim Davis, and George W. Bush, who claim to speak for God, and to whom God has supposedly spoken to, to judge the hearts of others in the first case, and to wage war in the second, I've washed my hands of the church and what passes for "christianity". This Pope, has kindled a tiny flame in my heart, that dares me to believe yet again, in a higher power, that makes me want to be better than I am, to have hope for this planet and all who inhabit it.
Then I hear the hateful rhetoric from those on the right, vilifying this man who embodies the teachings of Jesus. When the political discourse in this country is in such a state of disgrace, that the head of the Catholic church can be called a communist, I have to wonder if we're a lost cause.
Then I hear the hateful rhetoric from those on the right, vilifying this man who embodies the teachings of Jesus. When the political discourse in this country is in such a state of disgrace, that the head of the Catholic church can be called a communist, I have to wonder if we're a lost cause.
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That antipathy toward the Pope - it's proof positive that he is a true follower of Jesus. Don't give up hope yet!
Beautiful column! If only. Of only....
If only we took that path the Pope is pointing to.
If only we took that path the Pope is pointing to.
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The Dems understand the Pope's message. It is the GOP that doesn't get it, nor has any intention to understand it.
Martin Luther gave the GOP (Protestantism the GOP's home) a pass and traded this world over to the Devil for the afterlife, as Norman O. Brown so concisely illuminates in Luther's very own words.
"In Luther this experience of omnipresent and uncontrollable evil generates the theological novelty that this world, in all its outward manifestations, is ruled not by God but by the Devil. “It is an article of faith,” says Luther, “that the Devil is Princeps mundi, Deus huius seculi ” It is an article of faith, based on experience: “The Devil is the lord of the world. Let him who does not know this, try it. I have had some experience of it: but no one will believe me until he experiences it too.” “The world and all that belongs to it must have the Devil as its master.” “We are servants in a hostelry, where Satan is the householder, the world his wife, and our affections his children.” “The whole world is possessed by Satan.” “The whole world is enslaved to his machinations.” “The world is the Devil and the Devil is the world.” “Everything is full of devils, in the courts of princes, in houses, in fields, in streets, in water, in wood, in fire.”
Luther is the death instinct personified, for he says hope resides in the afterlife, Heaven, and that is the death instinct par excellence
In other words, good deeds are unless in the Devil's domain, so when in Roman....
The Dems understand the Pope's message. It is the GOP that doesn't get it, nor has any intention to understand it.
Martin Luther gave the GOP (Protestantism the GOP's home) a pass and traded this world over to the Devil for the afterlife, as Norman O. Brown so concisely illuminates in Luther's very own words.
"In Luther this experience of omnipresent and uncontrollable evil generates the theological novelty that this world, in all its outward manifestations, is ruled not by God but by the Devil. “It is an article of faith,” says Luther, “that the Devil is Princeps mundi, Deus huius seculi ” It is an article of faith, based on experience: “The Devil is the lord of the world. Let him who does not know this, try it. I have had some experience of it: but no one will believe me until he experiences it too.” “The world and all that belongs to it must have the Devil as its master.” “We are servants in a hostelry, where Satan is the householder, the world his wife, and our affections his children.” “The whole world is possessed by Satan.” “The whole world is enslaved to his machinations.” “The world is the Devil and the Devil is the world.” “Everything is full of devils, in the courts of princes, in houses, in fields, in streets, in water, in wood, in fire.”
Luther is the death instinct personified, for he says hope resides in the afterlife, Heaven, and that is the death instinct par excellence
In other words, good deeds are unless in the Devil's domain, so when in Roman....
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Unreported is that Pope Francis was heard saying that liberals twisting his words for their own ideological, Kool Aid drinking political points of view is pure evil...
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Indeed, Boehner wept, and wept, and wept. But maybe it was about his unmannered and boorish behaviour, realizing all of a sudden that when he motioned Pope Francis to sit down in the Speaker's office he planted his behind in his chair while the pontiff was still standing?
Or was it about the fact that when the pope shook his hand again before starting his speech he wished him 'good luck', as if sending him off to play 18 holes?
Or was it about the fact that when the pope shook his hand again before starting his speech he wished him 'good luck', as if sending him off to play 18 holes?
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Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I hope that all the members of Congress took away something good and decent from the Pope's speech.
This pontiff leads by example.
Humble, approachable, unimpressed by worldly trappings.
Hey, the guy genuinely likes people.
Just look at his smiling face.
As a gay, non-practicing Catholic, I am heartened to see the enormous outpouring of joy towards Francis by people from every walk of life.
The Catholic Church may have it's dogma, but isn't it refreshing to see its leader try and walk in the steps of its founder?
I doubt the actual Jesus would be welcomed by some of those who claim to be his most ardent followers.
There are words and there are actions.
Pope Francis walks the walk.
This pontiff leads by example.
Humble, approachable, unimpressed by worldly trappings.
Hey, the guy genuinely likes people.
Just look at his smiling face.
As a gay, non-practicing Catholic, I am heartened to see the enormous outpouring of joy towards Francis by people from every walk of life.
The Catholic Church may have it's dogma, but isn't it refreshing to see its leader try and walk in the steps of its founder?
I doubt the actual Jesus would be welcomed by some of those who claim to be his most ardent followers.
There are words and there are actions.
Pope Francis walks the walk.
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For me, Pope Francis has a credibility gap. He is leading an organization that discriminates against women. All of his good words on other subjects are drowned out by his inaction on this discrimination.
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"the pope’s message was how to live a life and share a planet"
Absolutely true, which is why I am disgusted that Timothy Egan didn't mention EVEN ONE AREA where democrats would have to change. Remember, democrats contribute to political deadlock, order drone strikes against civilians, deport undocumented residents, take in huge amounts of money from the financial industry, and promote the death of the unborn.
If the Pope has such a simple message, why won't Timothy Egan learn it correctly?
Absolutely true, which is why I am disgusted that Timothy Egan didn't mention EVEN ONE AREA where democrats would have to change. Remember, democrats contribute to political deadlock, order drone strikes against civilians, deport undocumented residents, take in huge amounts of money from the financial industry, and promote the death of the unborn.
If the Pope has such a simple message, why won't Timothy Egan learn it correctly?
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I don't recall any mention of either party. What is this need to attack?
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And the Right reacted quickly with "the petty, the partisan and the hateful." From George Will and Rich Lowery, Santorum and Bush, came a stream of biased and ill-informed attacks.
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Nothing petty about Tim's "It's been a loooooooooong time..." paragraph, though. Right?
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Bohner wept? Isn't he always prone to that? His sour expression was the most unpleasant in the congress, as usual. Well, to be fair maybe there are some similar sour pusses. But he did try to crack a smile when he greeted the pope. He arranged his features into a beneficent expression. You could see it was hard on his facial muscles. He likely needed a facial massage afterwards. Sorry, can't help my sarcasm.
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Given his announcement this morning that he is resigning from Congress next month, I suspect Boehner had other things on his mind.
Your writing is refreshing Mr. Egan. Thank you.
I am not a Catholic nor am I an American citizen. Being a Canadian and a northern neighbor, there is no running from the needs of both countries and the rest of the world. There is much to be done.
I am relieved there has finally been a visiting speech and gentle nudge from Pope Francis. Politics and religions aside, millions listened and are giving thought and discussion to what they heard and/or read.
This event could propel positive change not only with the multitudes, but influence the captains and kings who perch atop the great white pillars of strength from where they wield their power. A power that has too often been misused and slow to respond. Much needs to be done so say our scientists and those who advise. Is it too late? I'm not in favor of the doom and gloom and fear mongering that goes on. However, the world clock is ticking with little patience. Our children and grandchildren are waiting in the wings for change.
Pope Francis spoke insightful words that must not fall on deaf ears or to the dusty path that leads to complacency and greed. Already littered with disappointment, hollow plastic bottles, greasy food wrappers, barrels of oil, bullet shells and diet pills, it's a route with few lasting footprints but miles of possibilities. Let us begin once and for All. Charlotte
I am not a Catholic nor am I an American citizen. Being a Canadian and a northern neighbor, there is no running from the needs of both countries and the rest of the world. There is much to be done.
I am relieved there has finally been a visiting speech and gentle nudge from Pope Francis. Politics and religions aside, millions listened and are giving thought and discussion to what they heard and/or read.
This event could propel positive change not only with the multitudes, but influence the captains and kings who perch atop the great white pillars of strength from where they wield their power. A power that has too often been misused and slow to respond. Much needs to be done so say our scientists and those who advise. Is it too late? I'm not in favor of the doom and gloom and fear mongering that goes on. However, the world clock is ticking with little patience. Our children and grandchildren are waiting in the wings for change.
Pope Francis spoke insightful words that must not fall on deaf ears or to the dusty path that leads to complacency and greed. Already littered with disappointment, hollow plastic bottles, greasy food wrappers, barrels of oil, bullet shells and diet pills, it's a route with few lasting footprints but miles of possibilities. Let us begin once and for All. Charlotte
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Unconventional Pope Francis leads and inspires by radically staying true to what makes all of us humans. He uplifts with his smiles and words. He loves and lives in a manner so simple that anyone can do the same. Let's try it!
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Thanks, Tim for an eloquent reflection on the momentous words and deeds of earth's most beloved pastor. I believe we all hope that his visit will cause more than a few of our besotted congressmen to become more contemplative and concerned with the welfare of each and every one of us.
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It was distracting to watch Boehner's face twisted in crocodile tears behind the Pope as though the man's words were moving him to those tears. In fact, my thought was that Boehner was sitting there thinking -- if only my parents could see me sitting here having met the Pope. I think that's what brought him to tears -- not anything being said.
Next week it will be back to business as usual -- Boehner will be working to shut down the government and harm as many people as possible because the GOP wants to continue to pretend that money appropriated by Congress to Planned Parenthood is used for abortions and not for the healthcare it provides to women who don't have the means to avail themselves of a private doctor.
I watched the first few moments and realized that the entire episode would be the dog and pony we get at the State of the Union -- the clapping seals, the jumping up and down at applause lines -- so I turned it off and instead read the Pope's message without the distraction of the seeing the frauds, charlatans, and griffters who comprise the US Congress.
Next week it will be back to business as usual -- Boehner will be working to shut down the government and harm as many people as possible because the GOP wants to continue to pretend that money appropriated by Congress to Planned Parenthood is used for abortions and not for the healthcare it provides to women who don't have the means to avail themselves of a private doctor.
I watched the first few moments and realized that the entire episode would be the dog and pony we get at the State of the Union -- the clapping seals, the jumping up and down at applause lines -- so I turned it off and instead read the Pope's message without the distraction of the seeing the frauds, charlatans, and griffters who comprise the US Congress.
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Francis is a ray of sunshine to people hungering for kindness as well as affirmation of their basic beliefs by a celebrity. But he is head of a church that teaches gross superstition and keeps women in second-class status.
That status dictates the continued obsession of the Church with matters relating to sex. Opposition to contraception, divorce, and a woman's right to choose abortion are carved in Catholic stone.
It'll be interesting to hear how the conference on The Family turns out. We hear that liberal policies are anti-family, but it is the economy championed by the right wing that squeezes families, denies productive work to many young men, and forces women, as good consumers, to go out to work.
That status dictates the continued obsession of the Church with matters relating to sex. Opposition to contraception, divorce, and a woman's right to choose abortion are carved in Catholic stone.
It'll be interesting to hear how the conference on The Family turns out. We hear that liberal policies are anti-family, but it is the economy championed by the right wing that squeezes families, denies productive work to many young men, and forces women, as good consumers, to go out to work.
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"Words were used to uplift instead of to wound," as Egan points out, which certainly could not be said of Donald Trump, the master of insult and ad hominem attacks. I'm struck by the contrast between Donald Trump and Pope Francis--the former appeals to baser instincts; the latter appeals to our common humanity and urges us to treat others as we would want to be treated. Listening to the Pope makes me feel clean again (albeit temporarily), especially after a steady media diet of Trump's wounding words.
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Coincidentally, as the Pope spoke I was in a fourth grade classroom where the students were learning a lesson in civics about communities and their rights, from their homes up through the federal government. At the end, a boy I've known for awhile came up to me looking concerned. This little boy, like many, is smart, but scattered. A former ESL student, he is fluent in English but sometimes has trouble focusing. His classmates say he's always losing his books, which makes him hang his head, but given a chance he is eager to make up for his "faults" and is grateful for patience.
"Is that man, Trump, going to be president?" he asked. I told him I didn't think so. "Because if he is than my parents will have to go back to their country and I will, too," he said. I felt like someone punched me in the stomach. Here's your "criminal", Mr. Trump, and probably in your eyes, I am his enabler, a terrible "liberal" who wants this kid to have a great education in a safe environment. In that moment I wished I could play the Pope's speech to the class. It would have made the civics lesson apply to the universe, the rights of all humans.
"Is that man, Trump, going to be president?" he asked. I told him I didn't think so. "Because if he is than my parents will have to go back to their country and I will, too," he said. I felt like someone punched me in the stomach. Here's your "criminal", Mr. Trump, and probably in your eyes, I am his enabler, a terrible "liberal" who wants this kid to have a great education in a safe environment. In that moment I wished I could play the Pope's speech to the class. It would have made the civics lesson apply to the universe, the rights of all humans.
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While I appreciate Pope Francis's message to Congress, I fear it ultimately fell on deaf ears. The party that controls Congress, the GOP, hates the people Francis loves, and punishes the people Francis helps. Francis may have god on his side, but Republicans have the dollar on theirs.
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After months of seeing our culture debased by an absurd, preening, narcissist Trumpeting his wonderfulness, it feels so different and so cleansing to hear the life-affirming message from this Pope.
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Pope Francis, like some popes in the past, has a vision of the Catholic Church that goes beyond the petty competitions among parishes, dioceses and sects: a view that is catholic in the original sense of the word. His conviction that a return to Catholic dominance can be achieved by softening the essentialist messages of his predecessors is very welcome to those of us who are not connected to the church, simply because of its lack of hostility for other-ness. Francis, however, is not willing to go beyond this softer and more inclusive ideology into the real work of reforming the Catholic Church in order to make it more truly inclusive: to allow priests to marry; to ordain women; to permit divorce; to permit the use of birth control. I'm not even talking about promoting the equality of all persons, regardless of sexual orientation, gender, or life experience.
The experiences of the Anglican Church in the last few years--the socio-political chasm between the western communities and those of Africa and Asia--is instructive. The Vatican is interested in gaining new converts and those are found in the most homophobic, misogynistic, and fractured societies: areas where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Can Francis cope with bringing those communities into the 21st-c church and all the conflicts that will result? Or is his goal to do so and therefore justify the continuing antediluvian attitudes of the Church toward women, marriage of priests, and LGBTQ people?
The experiences of the Anglican Church in the last few years--the socio-political chasm between the western communities and those of Africa and Asia--is instructive. The Vatican is interested in gaining new converts and those are found in the most homophobic, misogynistic, and fractured societies: areas where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Can Francis cope with bringing those communities into the 21st-c church and all the conflicts that will result? Or is his goal to do so and therefore justify the continuing antediluvian attitudes of the Church toward women, marriage of priests, and LGBTQ people?
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At bottom the issue is whether blind capitalism (pursuit of self-interest) creates a better society than does socialistic regulation. In practice one extreme or the other fails (as Adam Smith recognized), and we need a complex, evolving mixture. But that's a lot of work, so people cling to sweeping simplifications. There is one sweeping generalization we can perhaps all agree on: improving information flow and public debate.
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The most nail on the head comment I've seen. But the sweeping generalizations that prevent debate actually benefit one side, so I dont think they will give them up.
Yes, breaking down some walls between religion and the state can serve humanity. But so can breaking down walls between faith and politics. There is a political message in what the Pope said, and it is worth thinking about.
Politics at its noblest is morality. The great divide between political Conservatives and Progressives is grounded in a moral sense of whether we are fundamentally individuals struggling for survival against each other or whether we are each fundamentally inseparable from society. Conservatives argue that self-interest is primary, and rely on some invisible hand to bring about the miraculous harmony of a well-functioning organism. Progressives see society as basic, and directly work to find that harmony, not expecting or waiting for miracles. The Pope seems to be saying that the miracle the Conservative envisage is none other than direct progressive social engagement.
The Pope's message is all about seeing us as social beings and not as competing individuals. There are clear political implications to this.
Politics at its noblest is morality. The great divide between political Conservatives and Progressives is grounded in a moral sense of whether we are fundamentally individuals struggling for survival against each other or whether we are each fundamentally inseparable from society. Conservatives argue that self-interest is primary, and rely on some invisible hand to bring about the miraculous harmony of a well-functioning organism. Progressives see society as basic, and directly work to find that harmony, not expecting or waiting for miracles. The Pope seems to be saying that the miracle the Conservative envisage is none other than direct progressive social engagement.
The Pope's message is all about seeing us as social beings and not as competing individuals. There are clear political implications to this.
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Very perceptive comment.
I agree with those who raise the point of gender inequality and reproductive freedom. Having said that, I feel that the invocation of Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton bodes well for the future of the Catholic Church.
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What is interesting about the pope's visit is the stark contrast he presents between real Christians - who emphasize love and work to help the less fortunate, and fake Christians - who emphasize hate and work to limit the rights of others.
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So, Tim, if I read you correctly, you're saying that if a zany zealot of Jesus' reported words can revive an old, worn out institution that has countenanced thousands of "mortal sin" crimes against children by returning to first principles, the Republicans in Congress can find a leader somewhere in America to remind us of Lincoln's words and renew the GOP as a force for the common good. She might be a school board member in a suburb of Minot, North Dakota, and her elevation to the head of the party might be as shocking as was that of the Argentine Italian who apparently wasn't into palace intrigue. She could take the microphone and quote the man from Illinois:
On climate change: "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today."
On diplomacy: "The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
On regulation: "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty."
On faith: "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion."
On serving the lobbyists rather than one's constituents: "These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people, and now, that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel."
Pax vobiscum
On climate change: "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today."
On diplomacy: "The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
On regulation: "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty."
On faith: "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion."
On serving the lobbyists rather than one's constituents: "These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people, and now, that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel."
Pax vobiscum
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Mr. Egan, you ask a question that just about breaks my heart: "What is political or controversial about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?" The answer: nothing whatsoever. But it is just this forgotten population which has been politicized, by free-market absolutists who've convincingly demonized much of the underclass as lazy deviants who expect something for nothing. If poverty is always the preventable result of individuals' own bad choices, then why should we respond with a collective, compassionate generosity? Pope Francis may well be an irresistible force, but the neocon U.S. Congress is an immovable object--and an internationally embarrassing one.
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The most political thing that the Pope said was that we need to work in a spirit of cooperation and dialogue. It was also the only thing he said which could be taking as very gentle scolding.
Otherwise, discussing the major issues which impact the lives of billions of people, which he will be discussing today as the UN as well, and asking that we think of these issues - poverty and social justice, refugees and migration, environmental destruction, warfare and the destructive result of arms dealing - all of these things are well within the purview of a spiritual advisor, a religious leader.
It is up to *us* to make these issues political - to insist that when we make policy we remember the faces, the stories of the poor, of migrants - because we are the ones voting, and our lawmakers are the ones supposedly listening to the voters. And frankly, our lawmakers can remember the faces of the poor, and still write laws that may or may not meet a level of full social justice, and be more pragmatic instead. But, maybe, if we remember the faces of the poor, we can stick to pragmatism and not go overboard into outright demonization in our speech and actions.
Otherwise, discussing the major issues which impact the lives of billions of people, which he will be discussing today as the UN as well, and asking that we think of these issues - poverty and social justice, refugees and migration, environmental destruction, warfare and the destructive result of arms dealing - all of these things are well within the purview of a spiritual advisor, a religious leader.
It is up to *us* to make these issues political - to insist that when we make policy we remember the faces, the stories of the poor, of migrants - because we are the ones voting, and our lawmakers are the ones supposedly listening to the voters. And frankly, our lawmakers can remember the faces of the poor, and still write laws that may or may not meet a level of full social justice, and be more pragmatic instead. But, maybe, if we remember the faces of the poor, we can stick to pragmatism and not go overboard into outright demonization in our speech and actions.
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People are so entrenched in their opinions, as evidenced by even the comments here, that no amount of reason or discourse will ever alter anyone's opinions. John Boehner can weep, but will he listen and govern from the heart or continue to bend over backwards to pander to the moneymen to get re-elected?
When you can't even listen to the words of someone respected as the head of one of the oldest religions on Earth and instead criticize him for what he didn't say rather than praise for what he did say, then there will never be common ground.
I too am a firm believer in separation of church and state, but we are also the land of free speech. Should not Congress embody the essence of free speech? So let the Pope speak. Is anyone listening?
When you can't even listen to the words of someone respected as the head of one of the oldest religions on Earth and instead criticize him for what he didn't say rather than praise for what he did say, then there will never be common ground.
I too am a firm believer in separation of church and state, but we are also the land of free speech. Should not Congress embody the essence of free speech? So let the Pope speak. Is anyone listening?
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Separate church and state. The Pope should have delivered this elsewhere.
While we are at it, a message from a man to a lot of other men with no mention of women's health. The rest of his message is worthless without birth control and full access for women to healthcare without religion intruding.
While we are at it, a message from a man to a lot of other men with no mention of women's health. The rest of his message is worthless without birth control and full access for women to healthcare without religion intruding.
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The pope delivering his speech in the hallowed halls of congress, whose members are dancing around the golden calf of money in order to be reelected, does not violate the separation of Church and State.
His address was not intended to bring all the sheep sitting in front of him into the folds of Catholicism, it was an address by a philosopher who is well aware of current events and what ails nations around the world.
He was mainly speaking about the 47%, the ones Mittens said would never vote for him, as well as the dangers of ever more suffering on the whole planet because of climate change, all of which has nothing to do with religious dogma.
His address was not intended to bring all the sheep sitting in front of him into the folds of Catholicism, it was an address by a philosopher who is well aware of current events and what ails nations around the world.
He was mainly speaking about the 47%, the ones Mittens said would never vote for him, as well as the dangers of ever more suffering on the whole planet because of climate change, all of which has nothing to do with religious dogma.
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Poslug, you and I are separate. If I asked you to come into my home, I believe that's a generally acceptable thing to do. More important, how can we have a democracy if we ask Congress to shut out people that some of us disagree with? I agree with you on the importance of women's healthcare, but without debate and tolerance I think we're pretty much sunk.
Making a place for the rights of women in the Catholic church is pivotal in securing a better civil society in the world. Where ever women have gained their civil rights in the world, societies and their economies have improved. Along with this is family planning avialable to women and their families. The Catholic church is being led now by a forward and open minded pope, whose message is infused with compassion and love. Despite the lack of birth control in the Catholic doctrine, Pope Francis' loving message has changed the tone of things. It is a big ship of state he is turning and hopefully it will take less time than more. Bigotry, selfishness and greed are mighty foes that are melting before the sunlight of the truth of the pope's essential message of the Golden Rule. He has given us all a lift. Let's hope for the best.
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Fairness, justice, commonwealth, and the common good win out, always. It's what the majority of people not only want, but crave with a thirst that's hard to quench. Witness the resonance of Francis's message with people across the spectrum.
Francis also points out in clear relief how tired, truly weary and "up-to-here" we are of the game being rigged against the poor and middle class. We have had it with politicians who limn a dystopian world and expect us, as sheeple, to swallow that view, allow them to create it, and then live it. Those of us who are working stiffs are sick of doing our best and having our earning power erode right before our eyes as we watch the rich funnel more and more into their lofty 1%.
The Catholic church's views on birth control remains a true problem, yet Francis makes me believe that over time, the arc on that issue will bend toward justice too.
Francis also points out in clear relief how tired, truly weary and "up-to-here" we are of the game being rigged against the poor and middle class. We have had it with politicians who limn a dystopian world and expect us, as sheeple, to swallow that view, allow them to create it, and then live it. Those of us who are working stiffs are sick of doing our best and having our earning power erode right before our eyes as we watch the rich funnel more and more into their lofty 1%.
The Catholic church's views on birth control remains a true problem, yet Francis makes me believe that over time, the arc on that issue will bend toward justice too.
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I hope you are right!
The Pope's message was inspiring -- the Golden Rule as Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you." This is a good message for those who would throw children and their parents into railroad cars and send them back to Mexico or wherever they could figure out where to send them.
His message about protecting Mother Earth was also inspiring.
However, until the Catholic Church and its Pope come to the conclusion that their position on birth control is making the immigration crisis and climate change worse, I am not impressed.
His message about protecting Mother Earth was also inspiring.
However, until the Catholic Church and its Pope come to the conclusion that their position on birth control is making the immigration crisis and climate change worse, I am not impressed.
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"Until the Catholic Church and the Pope come to the conclusion that their position on birth control is making the immigrant crisis and climate change worse, I am not impressed."
Oddly, I am impressed. I am not letting the perfect interfere with my appreciation of the good.
But still, given that Catholicism is definitely a force in Central and South America, and in Africa, although other Christian faiths are growing there, but barely a force in the Middle East, not a force in China or India, or most of Asia, except for Vietnam and the Philippines, and most Catholics in Europe and America ignore the teaching, I have to wonder if the Church's ban on birth control really is a primary factor in population growth.
In fact, with the exception of one or two countries, even South and Central America have rates of contraception usage in the 60-70% range.
If they eliminated the ban, would the dynamic change? Or would we still be on an unsustainable growth path?
Oddly, I am impressed. I am not letting the perfect interfere with my appreciation of the good.
But still, given that Catholicism is definitely a force in Central and South America, and in Africa, although other Christian faiths are growing there, but barely a force in the Middle East, not a force in China or India, or most of Asia, except for Vietnam and the Philippines, and most Catholics in Europe and America ignore the teaching, I have to wonder if the Church's ban on birth control really is a primary factor in population growth.
In fact, with the exception of one or two countries, even South and Central America have rates of contraception usage in the 60-70% range.
If they eliminated the ban, would the dynamic change? Or would we still be on an unsustainable growth path?
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Hello. This is how the degradation starts. Someone gives an inspiring message and leads. Another person stands up and says, until you do as I say about the particular issue I am concerned about, I will not be impressed.
It is much like saying, until every single person in a community can be first in line, then no one gets anything.
Guess what? No one gets anything because of sentiments like yours: it degrades and blocks progress toward anything better.
It is much like saying, until every single person in a community can be first in line, then no one gets anything.
Guess what? No one gets anything because of sentiments like yours: it degrades and blocks progress toward anything better.
And while you're waiting for the Pope to come around to your point of view on birth control, someone else will find some other excuse to ignore Pope Francis's compelling message—"he's ignoring victims of sexual abuse", "he's not a scientist", blah blah blah. And nothing will change.
"For what is political, or even controversial, about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?" Sadly, in our political system we refer to the forgotten and passed over as part of the "takers." And we do not react kindly or generously or positively to "takers." Our political system has launched a fierce attack on those who cannot "make it on their own."
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The atmosphere of THIS joint session of Congress certainly was universally more accepting of the guest than it was when Bibi Netanyahu addressed it. I listened to a video of all of it after the fact, though I guiltily admit I needed subtitles. Most of it consisted of a background of easily digestible and acceptable bromides.
But he also spoke, among other things, about the need for “pragmatism”. Yet, what I heard was the pope counseling more effective environmental action, despite its cost to middle-class jobs; more inclusiveness with refugees and immigrants, despite fears of uncontrolled attacks on culture and excessive demands on social services; more effective counters to global conflict that displace people, despite a lack of adequate global policing to contain rapacious interests; and far more extensive redistribution of wealth while assuming that those who create wealth will continue to innovate and work hard to generate it.
This is a good man who spoke eloquently. But I can’t help sensing a lack of precisely the pragmatism that he seeks to evangelize.
But he also spoke, among other things, about the need for “pragmatism”. Yet, what I heard was the pope counseling more effective environmental action, despite its cost to middle-class jobs; more inclusiveness with refugees and immigrants, despite fears of uncontrolled attacks on culture and excessive demands on social services; more effective counters to global conflict that displace people, despite a lack of adequate global policing to contain rapacious interests; and far more extensive redistribution of wealth while assuming that those who create wealth will continue to innovate and work hard to generate it.
This is a good man who spoke eloquently. But I can’t help sensing a lack of precisely the pragmatism that he seeks to evangelize.
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Richard, it's hard for me to see how the destruction of the environment could be considered pragmatic. Or a foreign policy based on bombing people, or a system of social services based on preventing people from using them. Pragmatism in the service of what, exactly? Maybe it all comes down to the fact that I see the division between haves & have-nots, between those who profit from the violence & destruction & poverty and those who suffer from them, as a problem to be ameliorated, rather than an ideal to be maintained.
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It is simply untrue that effective environmental action costs middle class jobs. The money spent to reduce pollution doesn't vanish from the economy; it generates jobs in the production and maintenance of equipment to reduce pollution of various forms. When we shift from coal to other forms of energy, coal miners lose jobs, but solar panel makers and installers gain jobs and those are well-paying and far less hazardous than coal mining. Even China sees this and is instituting cap-and-trade. The excuses to do nothing are vanishing like a snowball in this hot summer.
Nor does some reasonable redistribution of wealth eliminate innovation. US business did very well back when the top tax rate was much higher than today. Few true innovators obsess over the top tax rate. Mr Zuckerberg started Facebook to improve his dating life, not to become a billionaire. Sure, he's happy he became one, but does Mr. Luettgen think that if he had been told, "You know, Mark, when this goes global and you make $10 billion, you will only get to keep $ 7 billion after taxes instead of $8 billion, he would have stopped?" The same is true of Mr. Jobs who started tinkering in his garage back when tax rates were much higher than they are today.
Nor does some reasonable redistribution of wealth eliminate innovation. US business did very well back when the top tax rate was much higher than today. Few true innovators obsess over the top tax rate. Mr Zuckerberg started Facebook to improve his dating life, not to become a billionaire. Sure, he's happy he became one, but does Mr. Luettgen think that if he had been told, "You know, Mark, when this goes global and you make $10 billion, you will only get to keep $ 7 billion after taxes instead of $8 billion, he would have stopped?" The same is true of Mr. Jobs who started tinkering in his garage back when tax rates were much higher than they are today.
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Martin:
It's not destruction of the environment that's "pragmatic", but a means for preventing it that doesn't beggar humanity by destroying the means it has to engage in the economic activity that feeds it. It's also a means that includes enough compromise to be actionable.
I'd also suggest to you that those who DON'T view the need to ameliorate violence, destruction and poverty while seeking to perpetuate it are actively evil people. But rather than assuming that those who might resist the pope's priorities yet seek that objective by different, more actionable and less destructive means are simply to be included in that actively-evil group, they many actually be good people who see different paths to solutions.
It's not destruction of the environment that's "pragmatic", but a means for preventing it that doesn't beggar humanity by destroying the means it has to engage in the economic activity that feeds it. It's also a means that includes enough compromise to be actionable.
I'd also suggest to you that those who DON'T view the need to ameliorate violence, destruction and poverty while seeking to perpetuate it are actively evil people. But rather than assuming that those who might resist the pope's priorities yet seek that objective by different, more actionable and less destructive means are simply to be included in that actively-evil group, they many actually be good people who see different paths to solutions.
I am not Catholic, but Pope Francis speaks for me when he delves deeply - and simply - into the issues he cares about: poverty, climate change, the dispossessed. For someone who worried about his delivery in English, he gave a heck of a speech - and the gallery listened. We can all take lessons from this guy. I live in the other Washington, where the President of China locked down our city (security-wise) to enable his motorcades to speed as quickly as possible. He held meetings, and dined with the heads of many of our nation's industries. But the split screen, displaying the Pontiff getting into a tiny Fiat while our metropolis was shut down by a fleet of limousines, told me everything. I don't expect this man to liberalize his church in terms of issues like separation of church and state; women's reproductive rights; equality in all aspects etc. etc. But at least I know he means what he says, and he "walks the walk." Our nation's leadership could take many lessons from his demeanor!
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Much of NYC was shut down by that little Fiat too, no matter how 'humble' the photo op appeared to many.
How about when he condemns abortion? Does he also speak for you in that case?
"...For what is political, or even controversial, about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?"
Everything, apparently - going by the reaction of the right wing media and pundits. They're denouncing Pope Francis as a radical leftist, Marxist even. They're calling him anti-capitalist. Media Matters has put together a selection of video clips that show the right wing hate machine in full cry.
https://youtu.be/BBNs_6_FXc4
And that was released on September 22, 2015, before the Pope had even addressed Congress. There is no need to do anything but let them be convicted by their own words.
Everything, apparently - going by the reaction of the right wing media and pundits. They're denouncing Pope Francis as a radical leftist, Marxist even. They're calling him anti-capitalist. Media Matters has put together a selection of video clips that show the right wing hate machine in full cry.
https://youtu.be/BBNs_6_FXc4
And that was released on September 22, 2015, before the Pope had even addressed Congress. There is no need to do anything but let them be convicted by their own words.
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I am no fan of religions or religious leaders, so please trust me when I say this fact has not influenced my opinion. I think it is wrong to allow a religious leader, any religious leader, to speak within a political setting.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
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I would have agreed with this post at one time. Considering, however, how often now those who work within that political setting use religion--their own religion and their own beliefs--to justify their actions and legislate in favor of their beliefs, even when to do so will hurt not only specific groups (women and the poor) but the entire nation, I am happy to have them gently schooled by the Pope. Heaven knows no one else could have gotten that group to listen to a speech about the importance of protecting the planet and not forgetting the poor.
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I disagree. I think more religious leaders should speak to Congress. Let's have a moderate Muslim speak on behalf of the religion of peace and reassure us that we don't need to be so fearful.
He is also a head of state, Vatican City. By your logic, Queen Elizabeth II should also not speak within a political setting because she is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
Pope Francis preaches a message of humility and service to your fellow man, and walks the path as a servant to all.
As a very wise teacher once commented: "What comes out of a Man's mouth come from his heart." And "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
In these bitter, partisan political times these words are like a breath of fresh air. They cleanse the soul, and challenge all to live a life truly worth living.
As a very wise teacher once commented: "What comes out of a Man's mouth come from his heart." And "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
In these bitter, partisan political times these words are like a breath of fresh air. They cleanse the soul, and challenge all to live a life truly worth living.
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Excellent piece that cuts through the media's glib, misplaced casting of the Pope's speech in political, right/left terms and gets to the heart of what he said and wanted us to hear.
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His support for peace fills a huge gap in U.S. politics.
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Unfortunately, the GOP has already dismissed Pope Francis's statements as invalid for reasons such as, well, he's not a scientist - so how can he know about global warming - and, well, capitalism works! The aura will, alas, pass quickly (has already passed?) and we'll be back to business as usual. But thanks to that little five-year-old and her note requesting support for her parents, perhaps all is not lost. Perhaps Sophie Cruz will be the Aylan Kurdi on behalf of immigrant families needing safety and hope.
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I like this pope, but that little girl was absolutely a put-up job!
That's funny, because the Pope is a scientist.
Egan, I generally do not agree with you on anything but you captured the moment very well. To me it's a reminder that changing the human heart and human condition can only occur if we stop using titles like "liberal" or "conservative" because they do nothing but polarize people. The pope's gentile spirit and vision is something that should be embraced, not criticized or questioned.
This was a moment in time. an event that could challenge people to not think of themselves but of others first and to meet a need instead of turning a blind eye. It's a chance for people to look within and ask themselves are they part of the solution or part of the problem.
This was a moment in time. an event that could challenge people to not think of themselves but of others first and to meet a need instead of turning a blind eye. It's a chance for people to look within and ask themselves are they part of the solution or part of the problem.
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I love this Pope, and I am one of those lapsed Catholics taking a second look. How well said - he is showing what the Church is for. The values of my childhood are not political and should not be controversial - care for the poor, the sick, and care for animals and "our common home". Love and tolerance.
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Mr. Egan,
Well written. You captured the spirit of the Pope Francis visit. I am not Catholic but I was thoroughly impressed with the rationality of his thoughts and the wisdom it imparts for the survival of our species -- or as he put it many times for the common good. His confidence in the goodness of humankind came through loud and clear at many points in his speech, verbal and non-verbal. I am following with interest his visit and look forward to his statement to the UN. In my view, he has come along at the right time to put humankind on a better path than we have been taking. His statement, "I am convinced that we can make a difference. I am sure of it" was the most hopeful statement made in our time. I like his approach to the future. He is truly remarkable. I am completing a book on solutions to climate change and I plan to use this quote to start the part on solutions that will work and allow people to realize the dreams.
Well written. You captured the spirit of the Pope Francis visit. I am not Catholic but I was thoroughly impressed with the rationality of his thoughts and the wisdom it imparts for the survival of our species -- or as he put it many times for the common good. His confidence in the goodness of humankind came through loud and clear at many points in his speech, verbal and non-verbal. I am following with interest his visit and look forward to his statement to the UN. In my view, he has come along at the right time to put humankind on a better path than we have been taking. His statement, "I am convinced that we can make a difference. I am sure of it" was the most hopeful statement made in our time. I like his approach to the future. He is truly remarkable. I am completing a book on solutions to climate change and I plan to use this quote to start the part on solutions that will work and allow people to realize the dreams.
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Tim,
I hesitate to criticize your work because you are an exceptional talent and a gift that is rare in society. But It stung a little to read your reference to Francis as "old". We are the same age and I personally think it is wiser to be specific about age, like age 78, or to ignore that factor. Regardless of age, I hope we are measured by our ideas and insight.
I meant it when I say you are a gifted writer. I never miss reading your column.
I hesitate to criticize your work because you are an exceptional talent and a gift that is rare in society. But It stung a little to read your reference to Francis as "old". We are the same age and I personally think it is wiser to be specific about age, like age 78, or to ignore that factor. Regardless of age, I hope we are measured by our ideas and insight.
I meant it when I say you are a gifted writer. I never miss reading your column.
Such a fine day it was. Positive. Warm. Embracing. What a wonderful reconnect. A pause. A return. This Pope, you can just see it, just FEEL it, is amazing. What a wonderful treat.
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Hard time understanding why the hypocritically nature of this Pope and the Catholic church is not fully exposed. This is a church that among other things; hid if not condoned child abuse, create a vast amount of wealth over hundreds of years, ( largely stolen from the poor ) creates in fact alters of gold, just canonized Sierra a serious nut job who murdered hundreds if not thousands of California natives. A pope who abandoned his fellow Jesuits that resulted in there abuse and torture. This former bartender now lives in the lap of luxury lectures on the needs of the poor. What Bunk !!!
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For me, an immigrant myself, this gentle man's wisdom reminded me of a dreamt America, one dreamt by its founders and which is now, in spite of being out of reach for so many under present conditions, is still attainable if we can open our fearful, anxious hearts and polarized minds. The first courageous step is the willingness to look ourselves directly in the mirror and use, as Pope Francis suggests, the Golden Rule to calibrate our politics according to its simple logic.
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Bravo, Pope Francis, for your message of love and compassion. Bravo, Tim Egan, for your understanding of why we must heed this beautiful man's words and call for loving compassionate action.
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"The common good", who gets to decide? In this republic, not the Pope.
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Bravo Bob! In Roman Catholicism, it is its Social Doctrine and so-called social justice that is meant to rule things. Read this article to see what the Roman Catholic Church means by "freedom": http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122901/religious-freedom-has-no-place...
Someone needs to hold Boehner accountable for inviting a head of state of an anti-democratic, Absolute Monarchy, the last one in Europe, to speak to Congress.
Someone needs to hold Boehner accountable for inviting a head of state of an anti-democratic, Absolute Monarchy, the last one in Europe, to speak to Congress.
Perhaps Bibi Netanyahu?
Excellent article. You made a great job
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Congress should know that with their approval ratings, they are hardly bigger than Jesus (to borrow from John Lennon) - or than Pope Francis. Imagine what Congress could do, with their power, if their vision of governance resembled Pope Francis' calls to action. Our legislators could learn a lot about honest leadership from this Pope, who is admired and respected globally by people from different (or no) religions.
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• The words of the most famous of Americans, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr., never sounded more powerful than WHEN UTTERED BY A POPE SPEAKING A LANGUAGE THAT IS NOT HIS OWN.*
No, Mr. Egan, in HIS language, that is NOT our own.
No other argument to your piece, beautifully written and sincerely felt.
• But you can hope that it becomes historic for what may follow. You can hope.
Unfortunately, in this amnesiac place, as ever and always:
"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man." ~ FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE
It too "shall pass."
EMPHASIS mine.
No, Mr. Egan, in HIS language, that is NOT our own.
No other argument to your piece, beautifully written and sincerely felt.
• But you can hope that it becomes historic for what may follow. You can hope.
Unfortunately, in this amnesiac place, as ever and always:
"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man." ~ FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE
It too "shall pass."
EMPHASIS mine.
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We don't have a broken system, we have a party – the Republican one – that's gone off the rails. Nevertheless, Francis speaks, hopefully, to us all, asking us to be our better selves. Bless him.
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"Do to others whatever you would have them do to you" - these words are heard afresh and they impel me to care for one another. Words of hope from Pope Francis. He tells me to become aware of my own roots and not to fear 'the other'. Call to harmony, words of hope. Thank you.
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Well said, Mr. Egan.
The world needs this voice of honesty and optimism, now more that ever.
It is not about religion; it is about our common humanity. And that is what is suffering now. The ticket out of that suffering is a sense of togetherness, that we're all in this together collectively.
I pray the world listens.
The world needs this voice of honesty and optimism, now more that ever.
It is not about religion; it is about our common humanity. And that is what is suffering now. The ticket out of that suffering is a sense of togetherness, that we're all in this together collectively.
I pray the world listens.
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BRAVO! As you so deftly say, it's been a looooooooooong time since our Congress did anything for the COMMON good and it's been equally as long since I've read an editorial on these pages that I agreed with as enthusiastically. His speech, given at the CENTER of politics in this country, was entirely DEVOID of them. Asking for the abolition of the death penalty is not political. Asking that we treat others as we would have them treat ourselves is not political (or even religious, it's merely HUMAN). Asking us to look into the FACES of immigrants and refugees rather than at their "number" is not political. Asking us to respect our common home, Earth, and address it's destruction isn't political. His speech addressed the human condition in an entirely rational and heartfelt way, and I was deeply moved by what he had to say. The fact that he was addressing a body that has become palsied and seemed for a fleeting moment to have actually gotten their attention gave me a small glimmer of hope, as it did you, that there IS still a chance (albeit a tiny one) that we might heed his common sense advice and do some good for ourselves and for others. That is not "politics". It's "decency".
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We will not destroy the earth with carbon. It will continue to exist and life will persist and evolve. What we will do is to make it uninhabitable for may ancient species and make it impossible for many of our human inhabitants to continue to exist as they have done for their very short time span as a species. Food production, habitat degradation, massive pure water shortages. All in the name of obscene profits that could be made anyway were we to invest in the development of reproducible, carbon free energy.
Ever since I saw the memorial to FDR in the capital, I have believed that every member of Congress should be urged to visit it--especially all new members. And they should be forced to read out loud the words of that president. For some members it will be a fool's errand, but maybe others will heed and be moved by the thoughts that inspired deeds. After that they should be bused to the slums of D.C. and made to take a walking tour. I bet most of the members of Congress have never even visited a blighted neighborhood and seen poverty first hand. What a disgrace.
I agree with you that all you mention is a matter of "decency," but why shouldn't our politics be based on decency? The welfare of our planet and its inhabitants are the stuff of politics and we entrust them to our political leaders. Is it too much to ask that they be decent?
The "common good" may be making a comeback. Frankly,
this Pope is trying to put Christ back into Christianity.
Deeds, not words, scripture tells us.
it's the Sermon on the Mount, not the Sermon on the Mint.
this Pope is trying to put Christ back into Christianity.
Deeds, not words, scripture tells us.
it's the Sermon on the Mount, not the Sermon on the Mint.
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For me,you sum it up perfectly. I am so tired of people,trying to make this a partisan political speech nit was a speech about how to be a mensch, about how we need more to be real humans one to another.
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"To see your political views validated, or opposed, by the vicar of Christ is to miss the point of what he said before Congress."
This was a terrific essay and I really don't want to sully it by wading into politics. But could we ask, in the spirit of the moment, how it might be possible for politics to be conducted for the common good instead of for the few to profit from the division of the many?
An article in today's Times projects 4.4 billion dollars will be spent on political ads in the coming election. The major goal & result of these ads will be to keep us all in a state of misinformed anger & irritation. We could outlaw politcal advertising, we could enact public financing of elections, the news media go back to reporting news instead of opinion--any of these things would go a long way toward restoring a functional political culture and an adult conversation. And the 4.4 billion dollars could be spent on something constructive, like education, or feeding the hungry. Are there any politicians out there who are willing to put the country's good above their own ambition? I guess I know the answer...
This was a terrific essay and I really don't want to sully it by wading into politics. But could we ask, in the spirit of the moment, how it might be possible for politics to be conducted for the common good instead of for the few to profit from the division of the many?
An article in today's Times projects 4.4 billion dollars will be spent on political ads in the coming election. The major goal & result of these ads will be to keep us all in a state of misinformed anger & irritation. We could outlaw politcal advertising, we could enact public financing of elections, the news media go back to reporting news instead of opinion--any of these things would go a long way toward restoring a functional political culture and an adult conversation. And the 4.4 billion dollars could be spent on something constructive, like education, or feeding the hungry. Are there any politicians out there who are willing to put the country's good above their own ambition? I guess I know the answer...
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How often I've wished I had the talent to draw cartoons. I'd draw a two-framed strip with Donald Trump in frame one declaring himself "Great", bragging about his wealth. In frame two I'd show Francis walking among the homeless. The caption would read, "Let the people decide."
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The genuine simlplicity of Francis transforms itself into verbal elegance.The warm embracing humanity of the Pope is a striking contrast to the shallow,brittle,rhetoric of Donald Trump,Ben Carson, and Congressional Republicans. His message of full inclusion juxtaposed to the hollow bigotry of Republicans was manifest. The deliberate, measured act of shaking hands with John Kerry was no random act.His stress on dialogue and his rebuke of arms sales was a powerful endorsement of the Iran nuclear deal. Francis is extremely aware of who he is, his influence,and the power of symbolism. He is easily the most charasmatic leader in the world.
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The Constitution for the United States of America was ordained by the People, in part, to promote the general Welfare.
Pope Francis describes Politics as stemming from our need "to build as one the greatest common good".
His characterization affirms one of America's founding principles and is a direct appeal to politicians everywhere, but especially in Congress, to remember and to realize this goal.
Pope Francis describes Politics as stemming from our need "to build as one the greatest common good".
His characterization affirms one of America's founding principles and is a direct appeal to politicians everywhere, but especially in Congress, to remember and to realize this goal.
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A good political leader is one who, with the interests of all in mind, seizes the moment in a spirit of openness and pragmatism. A good political leader always opts to initiate processes rather than possessing spaces (cf. Evangelii Gaudium, 222-223).
hmmm taking up space? do nothings
hmmm taking up space? do nothings
How shocking to see humility in a speaker before that body!
I'd never have thought a pope could be so inspirational but he brought me to tears--only thing in common ever with John Boehner---and did stir hope that the common good could affect this debauched political season, with a few billionaires trying to buy our next leader & all else.
How disappointed we've all been with our political class moving so far from democracy.
How desperate we've been for someone like Francis when even atheists are moved by his words.
I'd never have thought a pope could be so inspirational but he brought me to tears--only thing in common ever with John Boehner---and did stir hope that the common good could affect this debauched political season, with a few billionaires trying to buy our next leader & all else.
How disappointed we've all been with our political class moving so far from democracy.
How desperate we've been for someone like Francis when even atheists are moved by his words.
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Yes, but we also have Bernie.
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Everyone has the opportunity to be moved by Pope Francis' heartfelt words. Rather than say "even atheists," I would say that even those who invoke strategies against the downtrodden in the very name of religion have been moved by this man with massive reach. I hope it's a new dawn for people of every religion and every stripe.
“But there is another temptation which we must especially guard against: the simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil.”
This is the very essence. There is danger in reducing everything to warring ideologies - religious, economic or political. We all share the human need to see our children grow up with health, education, dignity and an understanding of themselves as moral agents, and to grow old with dignity, compassion and community. The more we recognize humanity with in ourselves and others, the more we will be able, and must, extend this to all of creation, whether we see it in completely secular or completely religious terms - or the more messy and marvelously complicated in between.
This is the very essence. There is danger in reducing everything to warring ideologies - religious, economic or political. We all share the human need to see our children grow up with health, education, dignity and an understanding of themselves as moral agents, and to grow old with dignity, compassion and community. The more we recognize humanity with in ourselves and others, the more we will be able, and must, extend this to all of creation, whether we see it in completely secular or completely religious terms - or the more messy and marvelously complicated in between.
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Pope Francis was, indeed, a breath of fresh air. Many of us hoped that he would really give the Republicans the comeuppance they so richly deserve on oppression of the poor, on xenophobic talk of building walls around America’s periphery, on dishonest denial of climate change at the behest of and in return for big donations from the oil industry, on back-door undercutting of recent progress for gay couples, on the American unwillingness to address the problem of gun violence, and on the subject of contraception, a prohibition ignored by most American Catholics who are not Republican candidates for office.
We were unrealistic in our hopes, although he did give us an unexpected gift regarding the death penalty, stressed the overriding importance of protecting the children – which implies things about guns and income inequality and a healthy environment, spoke of tolerance for people of other faiths and of no faith, and was emphatic about rejecting absolutism in favor of dialogue and working together.
There will be Republicans, including politically aggressive evangelical Christians, who will claim in the coming days and weeks with a straight face that Pope Francis supports their positions. Most of us who actually listened to the Pontiff will know better.
We were unrealistic in our hopes, although he did give us an unexpected gift regarding the death penalty, stressed the overriding importance of protecting the children – which implies things about guns and income inequality and a healthy environment, spoke of tolerance for people of other faiths and of no faith, and was emphatic about rejecting absolutism in favor of dialogue and working together.
There will be Republicans, including politically aggressive evangelical Christians, who will claim in the coming days and weeks with a straight face that Pope Francis supports their positions. Most of us who actually listened to the Pontiff will know better.
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"He was following the words of his namesake, Francis of Assisi, to “preach the gospel, and when necessary, use words.”"
Francis is a great teacher. His audience, students, weren't present in the chamber from which he was speaking, but in every office, home, big box store where there was a TV or computer that carried the sound of his voice. Francis spoke to the American people. His speech was a lesson. He showed us there is another way, one that is compatible with religion and the lack of it, in a society that is comprised of many distinct groups.
It's up to us to listen and send different representatives to sit in that chamber where the discontent is not that of its occupant, but our own.
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Video and full text of Pope Francis' remarks:
http://www.rimaregas.com/2015/09/video-and-full-text-of-pope-francis-rem...
Francis is a great teacher. His audience, students, weren't present in the chamber from which he was speaking, but in every office, home, big box store where there was a TV or computer that carried the sound of his voice. Francis spoke to the American people. His speech was a lesson. He showed us there is another way, one that is compatible with religion and the lack of it, in a society that is comprised of many distinct groups.
It's up to us to listen and send different representatives to sit in that chamber where the discontent is not that of its occupant, but our own.
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Video and full text of Pope Francis' remarks:
http://www.rimaregas.com/2015/09/video-and-full-text-of-pope-francis-rem...
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If this were a Movie of old,
Deniers would make a move bold,
Pierced by the Pope's words
The footdragging herds
Would weep and no longer be cold.
A Pope ex machina appears
The response may not be one of tears,
The Goths sacking Rome
'Neath the Capital dome
While the onlooking Tea Party cheers.
Deniers would make a move bold,
Pierced by the Pope's words
The footdragging herds
Would weep and no longer be cold.
A Pope ex machina appears
The response may not be one of tears,
The Goths sacking Rome
'Neath the Capital dome
While the onlooking Tea Party cheers.
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Glad to see you are still limerick-ing. I look for you and when I see your comments, I sleep well. Thank you.
Give it a rest, Mr. Egan. Between you and Mr. Krugman, you can't go 100 words without lashing out at republicans like angry schoolyard children.
Anyone who spends half a column on Pope Francis carping about one group or another demonstrates he hasn't grasped the Pope's message.
Anyone who spends half a column on Pope Francis carping about one group or another demonstrates he hasn't grasped the Pope's message.
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@AACNY: Not if he (who "carps") can see. Those who can see don't "carp", they "report" the viciousness of the Republican party, for which only Republicans are responsible. You will never admit this, no matter how often it is documented to you.
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The truly pathetic thing here is that Mr. Egan, the other NYT columnists and Editorial Board, pretty much hate on Catholics and the Church 90% of the time. They share virtually no values with observant or even moderate Catholics.
Suddenly, a "rock star" Pope comes for a visit, and they are falling all over themselves. Note that Mr. Egan believes that the Pope now endorses gay marriage, unwed motherhood, premarital sex, contraception, abortion -- all the popular lefty issues -- when in fact that is not true AT ALL. He is offering "forgiveness" which means the individual admits sinning, and asks for forgiveness and then agrees to SIN NO MORE. It is not an endorsement of those behaviors in any way, shape or form.
Suddenly, a "rock star" Pope comes for a visit, and they are falling all over themselves. Note that Mr. Egan believes that the Pope now endorses gay marriage, unwed motherhood, premarital sex, contraception, abortion -- all the popular lefty issues -- when in fact that is not true AT ALL. He is offering "forgiveness" which means the individual admits sinning, and asks for forgiveness and then agrees to SIN NO MORE. It is not an endorsement of those behaviors in any way, shape or form.
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If you're trying to say there is no difference between either side, then you are incapable of grasping the Pope's message. The time is coming when there will be no room left to avoid choosing. Which side will you be on? It is a question facing us all; the Pope is framing it to make it clear to those who refuse to see.
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More than anything, people need hope to brave the vicissitudes of daily life... a certitude that being alive is a net positive, no matter the struggles... and a belief that being engaged in the world in a positive way can make a difference.
Francis reminds us of the joy of possibility, and of the responsibilities we must shoulder to make them happen.
Francis reminds us of the joy of possibility, and of the responsibilities we must shoulder to make them happen.
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This is a wonderful column about a hopeful moment in our history. One wonders what the president thought as he watched the pope's address to congress on tv from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. One giant of his times watching another, and finding much in common. It is satisfying to see that in the final years of this most consequential presidency, Barack Obama has a kindred spirit in the Vatican with whom he can collaborate. They will leave a better, more tolerant world. To those who knocked on doors and made phone calls in 2008, it's a moment to savor, to murmur to ourselves "Yes we did!"
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Unfortunately while Obama has made some advances like reopening relations with Cuba, the Iran nuclear deal, reductions of coal power plants, he has been a dismal failure in the major issues. Obama bombed Libya with no declaration of War, he actually added 30,000 troops to Afghanistan in the start of his term and now is continuing that endless War, he has conducted countless drone assassinations, actually followed a "drill drill drill" policy including opening up the Arctic to oil drilling. Obama's Peace Prize should be reclaimed as he has continued the endless Wars for the most part just shrouded in prettier rhetoric.
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How many Americans have died in Syria, the Ukraine, Iran, or any of the other places that certain GOP hotspurs have wanted us to invade? Zero. Obama can hardly be faulted for the blowback from 9/11 and the reckless, ruinous wars that followed it, but he can be applauded for appreciating the limits of american power and the value of american lives.
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Well, I am not Catholic, but like many that are not, this Pope speaks to me. Maybe because I think he speaks to our Spirit as much as our humanity.
My personal thanks to Pope Francis for the love that he shares with every smile and blessing he offers to all in his journey. How refreshing!
My personal thanks to Pope Francis for the love that he shares with every smile and blessing he offers to all in his journey. How refreshing!
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Judging by what I heard on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, there are a number of Catholics to whom this Pope does not speak. At least, nothing they want to hear.
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Excuse me if the Pope doesn't impress me. Once he advocates free contraception available at every mass I might reconsider. Until then all his talk about helping the poor is just talk.
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The Pope wasn't trying to impress you. He was trying to enlighten you and open your mind to the existence of others. He obviously failed.
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It won't be long. Not at every Mass, maybe not even at Catholic hospitals and clinics at first. But soon enough, as the Church follows the path set by this Pope, it will come to the correct conclusion that regardless of subsequent dogma, Jesus would have been for the pill.
Even considering Catholic dogma which proscribes abortion (and the death penalty, it should be noted), contraception makes sense because of the help it brings to people unable or not ready to raise children. And while it may argue that even zygotes have souls, the Church can concede that unfertilized eggs don't. Nor do sperm cells, Onan notwithstanding.
Even considering Catholic dogma which proscribes abortion (and the death penalty, it should be noted), contraception makes sense because of the help it brings to people unable or not ready to raise children. And while it may argue that even zygotes have souls, the Church can concede that unfertilized eggs don't. Nor do sperm cells, Onan notwithstanding.
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No, it is not just talk. I wonder if you don't also ridicule one issue voters on the far right. As an ex-Catholic, non-religious progressive, I am mightily impressed and inspired by Francis. I suspect he is probably pushing the limits of change for his church at this time, but what a precedent he is setting!
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Yes, the Francis Effect. Well said.
Sen. Bernard Sanders has been upholding these values for quite some time in the secular world, yet he was trashed a little while ago by you, Mr. Egan, and has been blacked out by the NYT. Interesting how your tune on values has changed in this column.
Sen. Bernard Sanders has been upholding these values for quite some time in the secular world, yet he was trashed a little while ago by you, Mr. Egan, and has been blacked out by the NYT. Interesting how your tune on values has changed in this column.
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Wouldn't it be grand to take all the candidates positions on issues and compare each to what the pope has said. We all know Bernie Sanders would align the closest. But I'm doubtful this will ever happen as it is hard for the NY Times to even mention Bernie Sanders without an effort to belittle him.
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Popes in glass house must be careful what they say about money. The Vatican Bank is not hardly yet squeaky clean. And it was recently reported (New Yorker, 9/14) that "the Catholic Church is estimated to own 20% of all real estate in Italy, and 25% of all real estate in Rome." Imagine what parishes in other parts of the First World own, and the total is a tidy sum demanding communal grace, uncorrupt management, and better sharing. Priestly pederasts are getting retirement sinecures; retired nuns are getting evicted. (Why again is Cardinal Law still hiding in the Vatican and not getting jurisprudence in Boston?) The RCC has a long way to go before it follows its own advice.
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@theod: Witnessing the phenomenon of Francis made me wonder: How did this guy ever get elected Pope? I did a great deal of reading and learned the answer: he was seen as the best choice to clean up the RCC's massive, disgraceful financial mess. It will take a long time, but he has made a start. A positive side effect has been that there's a liberal voice speaking of social justice at the head of an institution that has been preoccupied for decades with two conservative obsessions: sexual sin and reproductive punishment. Francis' ascendancy to Pope sometimes seems like a miracle, but it's just plain progress.
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Well said Mr. Egan!
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Francis is truly radical, in the sense that he goes back to the roots of the gospel, and perches there. He makes the rest of us uncomfortable, while, at the same time, perched on those roots, we find him irresistible. We cannot help but love him. He is doing his darnedest to remind us of the loving, forgiving Christ of the gospels, not the judgmental horror show that's been going on in the Church since 1978, the beginning of John Paul II's papacy.
I'm a Catholic in recovery, but this Jesuit gives me pause.
I'm a Catholic in recovery, but this Jesuit gives me pause.
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This man is a refreshing breeze, trying to bring American Christians back around to the teachings of Jesus: clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit those in prison, acknowledge that the love of money is the root of evil. Now if he could lead the Catholic Church worldwide in the struggle to save the planet by encouraging population control, his fine words would be truly meaningful.
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If only the followers of Jesus Christ really behaved like followers we would be living in a better world.
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Pope Francis chose each word uttered today with great care. I hope our politicians all listened closely. I know I did. I am not a Catholic or even a believer. But I love Pope Francis. May his words bring the change we need in this world. I am very much looking forward to his UN speech tomorrow.
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1) Denial of birth control and equality for women
2) Overpopulation
3) War, migration, environmental destruction
Without 1), nothing else matters.
And Pope Francis, staunch pro-life supporter that he is, continues to teach that almost all birth control is a sin against God, and that women were created to serve men by having children.
2) Overpopulation
3) War, migration, environmental destruction
Without 1), nothing else matters.
And Pope Francis, staunch pro-life supporter that he is, continues to teach that almost all birth control is a sin against God, and that women were created to serve men by having children.
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The Pope's list is a lot more complete than your own.
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Patience please!
Not in love with gay marriage, either. But who am I to judge?
How embarrassing. Pope Francis talks to Congress one day aboutcommon goals and unity and a few days later Republicans shut down the government.
And Republicans DO own most of the responsibility with their lies about Planned Parenthood and their complete disregard for the health of women. To shut down government over one issue like this shows a complete disrard for the important functions that our government performs for the vast majority of people.
When Congress does things like this we really need to dock ttheir pay and require that Congress is in session 24 hours a day until it is resolved.
And Republicans DO own most of the responsibility with their lies about Planned Parenthood and their complete disregard for the health of women. To shut down government over one issue like this shows a complete disrard for the important functions that our government performs for the vast majority of people.
When Congress does things like this we really need to dock ttheir pay and require that Congress is in session 24 hours a day until it is resolved.
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Oh please stop trying to use progressive politics in every issue.
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Or we can choose not to elect those in congress who do not do the right thing.
Wait a minute.. Didn't that happen in the last election?
Wait a minute.. Didn't that happen in the last election?
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How embarrassing, yes -- this, too -- the Republicans immediately force out Boehner, the man who invited Pope Francis.
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Though his English was quiet and halting, it was so clearly from the heart that it had the power to stop everyone and encourage them to take up the challenge of leadership and embrace their part of history by seeking the greater good. It is striking how seldom inspiration issues forth from that chamber any more. Perhaps this example can help to encourage the kind of selfless leadership that was on display today.
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This was the wake up call we need to truly be great again. What has always made us a great country was our tradition of justice and equality for all....bring me your poor and all..... Here's a prayer that his message is heeded.
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Thanks for your thoughtfully well written observations on the clutter of politics, religion, greed and superficial opinions of which this posting will just be one of many.
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Francisco for President!
Beautiful piece - Beautiful Pope
Beautiful in the fullest sense
Thank you
Beautiful in the fullest sense
Thank you
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Highlights of the day watching and listening to the Pope:
- Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton -- that's the Church of caring for the poor, recognizing that we are imperfect but reaching out to one another
- Shaking John Kerry's hand -- we are guided by our own conscience to receive Communion and the Sacraments, not governed by scolds who judge us.
- He always recognizes the little ones, children in the crowd. Seems like a truly nice man.
- Shout out and standing O at St. Pat's for women religious -- so much to celebrate in their handwork and sacrifice. The Church should guarantee their pensions (it currently does not!).
- Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton -- that's the Church of caring for the poor, recognizing that we are imperfect but reaching out to one another
- Shaking John Kerry's hand -- we are guided by our own conscience to receive Communion and the Sacraments, not governed by scolds who judge us.
- He always recognizes the little ones, children in the crowd. Seems like a truly nice man.
- Shout out and standing O at St. Pat's for women religious -- so much to celebrate in their handwork and sacrifice. The Church should guarantee their pensions (it currently does not!).
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It would be nice if Republicans gave as much respect and deep admiration to a man who lives to serve the poor, the downtrodden, the unfortunate as they do to the B-movie actor who they truly worship.
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I noticed Congress applauded before the word "as" when the Pope was in the middle of quoting the Golden Rule. He got as far as "Do unto others. . ." and they applauded.
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More stellar writing in the New York Times. I prefer not to add here. I just enjoyed your writing. Thanks.
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He was following the words of his namesake, Francis of Assisi, to "preach the gospel, and when necessary use words."
And, he told us who the patron saint of Yogi Berra was.
And, he told us who the patron saint of Yogi Berra was.
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Pope Francis told journalists in 2013 that he had chosen the name Francis in honor of Saint Francis of Assisi, and had done so because Saint Francis was especially concerned for the well-being of the poor.
Pope Francis spoke of his admiration for St. Francis, saying “He brought to Christianity an idea of poverty against the luxury, pride, vanity of the civil and ecclesiastical powers of the time. He changed history."
It is always nice to see an adult visit the halls of Congress to remind the Congressional children what an adult looks like and sounds like and to gently and diplomatically slice the psychopathy of greed, war and denialism in half and leave it lying on the right-wing floor where it belongs.
Thank you, Pope Francis; you tried your Christian best to make a difference.
The beautiful Christianity displayed by Pope Francis is simply too much Christianity for the right-wing to bear.
Pope Francis spoke of his admiration for St. Francis, saying “He brought to Christianity an idea of poverty against the luxury, pride, vanity of the civil and ecclesiastical powers of the time. He changed history."
It is always nice to see an adult visit the halls of Congress to remind the Congressional children what an adult looks like and sounds like and to gently and diplomatically slice the psychopathy of greed, war and denialism in half and leave it lying on the right-wing floor where it belongs.
Thank you, Pope Francis; you tried your Christian best to make a difference.
The beautiful Christianity displayed by Pope Francis is simply too much Christianity for the right-wing to bear.
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What bunk he talks the talk but he does not walk the walk .. let him divest some of the ill gotten gains of a church that has for centuries stolen vast amounts of wealth St Francis did what he preached, this guy just pretends.
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There was one key passage from the Pope's message to Congress that he apparently skipped past by mistake. Here it is from his prepared text as released:
"Here I think of the political history of the United States, where democracy is deeply rooted in the mind of the American people. All political activity must serve and promote the good of the human person and be based on respect for his or her dignity. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Declaration of Independence, 4 July 1776). If politics must truly be at the service of the human person, it follows that it cannot be a slave to the economy and finance."
This is truly heresy in the land of free market fundamentalists.
"Here I think of the political history of the United States, where democracy is deeply rooted in the mind of the American people. All political activity must serve and promote the good of the human person and be based on respect for his or her dignity. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Declaration of Independence, 4 July 1776). If politics must truly be at the service of the human person, it follows that it cannot be a slave to the economy and finance."
This is truly heresy in the land of free market fundamentalists.
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Where can I find this please? I mean aside from in your post. Thanks.
"For what is political, or even controversial, about asking people to be more openhearted, to see dignity in the forgotten and the passed over?"
"At its core, the pope’s message was how to live a life and share a planet."
The antithesis of 21st century conservatism with its winner-takes-all, take-no-prisoners, I've-got-mine ethos.
"At its core, the pope’s message was how to live a life and share a planet."
The antithesis of 21st century conservatism with its winner-takes-all, take-no-prisoners, I've-got-mine ethos.
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For the common good to be realistically & universally, equally good, the subordination of women must cease. Ditto unsustainable population growth.
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In politics, language is all-important. The Republicans are experts at using it as a weapon. The Democrats are afraid to use it in case the Republicans turn it on them as a weapon. In speaking to Congress, Pope Francis used the term "common good" half a dozen times. I hope it gives politicians of both parties the courage to use those words as a matter of course, and mean them.
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the founders of the USA despite some major flaws in the extent of democracy (only for propertied whites men) and of course acceptance of slavery, still had some conception of the "Commonwealth" beyond just private property.
Thus Benjamin Franklin founded the Post Office which in turn made sure to provide subsidies to newspaper postal distribution to enhance free speech and press. Benjamin Franklin also founded public fire department in Philadelphia to replace the private for profit fire companies which would only stop fires of customers leaving of course all other houses at risk. Thomas Jefferson founded the University of Virginia as the first university free of religious or monarchical entanglements open to all. The Northwest Ordinance Act of 1787 provided land for public schools, the first in history, open to all boys and girls to provide an educated citizenry. Later on the Homestead Act opened 162 acres to anyone who worked and stayed on their land, Landgrant colleges provided agricultural, mining and engineering research and education to new colleges all across the newly settled territories. All of this is under assault by the plutocrats, the hedge fund operators backed by their paid Republican and Corporate Democrat supporters. "Commonwealth" was not just a phrase but reflected in real investments and policies
Thus Benjamin Franklin founded the Post Office which in turn made sure to provide subsidies to newspaper postal distribution to enhance free speech and press. Benjamin Franklin also founded public fire department in Philadelphia to replace the private for profit fire companies which would only stop fires of customers leaving of course all other houses at risk. Thomas Jefferson founded the University of Virginia as the first university free of religious or monarchical entanglements open to all. The Northwest Ordinance Act of 1787 provided land for public schools, the first in history, open to all boys and girls to provide an educated citizenry. Later on the Homestead Act opened 162 acres to anyone who worked and stayed on their land, Landgrant colleges provided agricultural, mining and engineering research and education to new colleges all across the newly settled territories. All of this is under assault by the plutocrats, the hedge fund operators backed by their paid Republican and Corporate Democrat supporters. "Commonwealth" was not just a phrase but reflected in real investments and policies
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St Francis was a son of a quite wealthy merchant whose son (to be absolutely clear) *chose* poverty out of his his love of God and understanding of God's plan.
I say that as an atheist who, while still a devout Catholic, took Francis as my confirmation patron saint. Both of them (Saint and Pope) remain inspirations despite my loss of faith.